This page shows a comparison between two transcripts of manuscript Rawlinson B.478 at the Bodleian Library. The transcript on the left-hand side of the of page was prepared by Thomas Herron. The transcript on the right was prepared by Heather Blatt.

Folio 1r Jo: Panton 1596 Folio 1r Jo: Panton 1596
Signature To. Þan uton(?) 1596 Signature To. Þan uton(?) 1596
A vewe of the p re sente state of A vewe of the p re sente state of
Ireland discoursed by waye of Ireland discoursed by waye of
a dialogue betwe betw e ne * Eudoxus and a dialogue betw e betwe ne * Eudoxus and
Irenius .. . . 1596 by Ed: Spinser gint. Spenser gent. Irenius . . .. 1596 by Ed: Spenser gent. Spinser gint.
Eudox: Eudox : But if that countrye of Irelande whence yow Eudox : Eudox: But if that countrye of Irelande whence yow
latelye came be so goodlye and comodious asoyle a soyle as yee latelye came be so goodlye and comodious a soyle asoyle as yee
reporte, I wounder that noe course is taken for the turninge reporte, I wounder that noe course is taken for the turninge
thenceof thereof to good vses, and reducinge . that salvage nacon nac i on thereof thenceof to good vses, and reducinge . that salvage nac i on nacon
to better gou er ern m en t and cyvillitie: to better gou ern er m en t and cyvillitie:
Iren:: Marrye Iren :: Marye so thyre there haue bene dyverse good plottes devize d devized Iren :: Marye Iren:: Marrye so there thyre haue bene dyverse good plottes devized devize d
and wyse counsells cast alreadye about reformacon reformac i on of that and wyse counsells cast alreadye about reformac i on reformacon of that
realme , realme, but they saye it is the fatall destynie of that realme, realme , but they saye it is the fatall destynie of that
land, that noe purposes whatsoever are mente for her land, that noe purposes whatsoever are mente for her
good will prosper and take good effecte, w hi ch wch whether good will prosper and take good effecte, wch w hi ch whether
yt p ro ceed from the verie Genius of the soyle . soyle, or influenc yt p ro ceed from the verie Genius of the soyle, soyle . or influenc
of the starrs, or that almightie god hath not yett appointed of the starrs, or that almightie god hath not yett appointed
the tyme of her reformacon , reformac i on, or that he reserueth her the tyme of her reformac i on, reformacon , or that he reserueth her
in this vnquiet state still , still, for some secreete scourge ~ in this vnquiet state still, still , for some secreete scourge ~
w hi ch wch shall by her come vnto England , it England, yt is harde to wch w hi ch shall by her come vnto England, yt England , it is harde to
bee knowen but yett much to be feared: bee knowen but yett much to be feared:
Eudox: Eudox : Surelye I suppose this but avayne a vayne conceipte of Eudox : Eudox: Surelye I suppose this but a vayne avayne conceipte of
symple men , w hi ch Judge thinge s men, wch Iudge thinges by theire effecte effectes and not symple men, wch Iudge thinges men , w hi ch Judge thinge s by theire effectes effecte and not
by theire causes : ffor causes: For I would rather thincke the cause of by theire causes: For causes : ffor I would rather thincke the cause of
this evill , w hi ch evill, wch hangeth vpon Countrye , that Countrye, to proceed this evill, wch evill , w hi ch hangeth vpon that Countrye, Countrye , to proceed
rather vpon the vnsoundnes and of the counsell s and plotte s counselles and plottes rather vpon the vnsoundnes and of the counselles and plottes counsell s and plotte s
w hi ch wch yow . saye haue bene oftentymes layde for her reformacon , reformac i on, wch w hi ch yow . saye haue bene oftentymes layde for her reformac i on, reformacon ,
or of fayntenesse in followinge and effectinge the same , same, or of fayntenesse in followinge and effectinge the same, same ,
then of any such fatall course or appointm en t of godd as yow then of any such fatall course or appointm en t of godd as yow
misdeme , misdeme, but it is the mann er of men that when the y they misdeme, misdeme , but it is the mann er of men that when they the y
are fallen into any mann er absurditye , absurditye, or theire accons acc i ons are fallen into any mann er absurditye, absurditye , or theire acc i ons accons
succeed not as the y would , they would, they are readye alwayes to succeed not as they would, the y would , they are readye alwayes to
impute the blame thereof vnto the heavens , heavens, so to impute the blame thereof vnto the heavens, heavens , so to
excuse theire owne follyes and ymperfeccons , ymperfeccons, So haue excuse theire owne follyes and ymperfeccons, ymperfeccons , So haue
I also I also
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I also hearde yt often wished ( even (even of some whose greate - - I also hearde yt often wished (even ( even of some whose greate - -
wisdome in opynion should seeme to Iudge more soundlye of wisdome in opynion should seeme to Iudge more soundlye of
so weightie a consideracon) that all that lande weare a so weightie a consideracon) that all that lande weare a
sea people poole w hi ch : wch kynde of speach is the mann er rather of sea people poole : wch w hi ch kynde of speach is the mann er rather of
desperate menn farr dryven to wishe the vtter runn ruyn of desperate menn farr dryven to wishe the vtter ruyn runn of
that w hi ch wch they cannot redresse , redresse, then of graue Counsellors that wch w hi ch they cannot redresse, redresse , then of graue Counsellors
w hi ch wch ought to thincke nothinge so harde but that thorough wch w hi ch ought to thincke nothinge so harde but that thorough
wisdome maye bee maistred and subdued , subdued, since the wisdome maye bee maistred and subdued, subdued , since the
Poet sayth that the wyseman shall rule ever even over the Poet sayth that the wyseman shall rule even ever over the
starrs, much more over the earth : ffor wer earth: For were yt not starrs, much more over the earth: For were earth : ffor wer yt not
the p ar te of a desp er ate phicion p hys hicion to wishe hi s his deseased the p ar te of a desp er ate p hys hicion phicion to wishe his hi s deseased
patiente dead rather then to applye the best endeavors patiente dead rather then to applye the best endeavors
of his skyll for his recou er ie , ie, but since wee are so farr of his skyll for his recou er ie, ie , but since wee are so farr
entred , entredd, lett vs I praye yow you devise of those evylls by entredd, entred , lett vs I praye you yow devise of those evylls by
w hi ch wch that countrye is helde in this wretched case , that case, that wch w hi ch that countrye is helde in this wretched case, that case , that
yt cannot as yow saye be recured. And yf yt bee not yt cannot as yow saye be recured. And yf yt bee not
pl paynefull to yow to tell vs what thing s thinges duringe pl paynefull to yow to tell vs what thinges thing s duringe
yo u r yor late contyntwance contynewance there, yow obserued , obserued, to bee most yor yo u r late contynewance contyntwance there, yow obserued, obserued , to bee most
offensiue , and ympeac full and ympeachfull vnto the good rule and offensiue and ympeachfull , and ympeac full vnto the good rule and
gou er ern m en t thereof : gou ern er m en t thereof :
Iren: Iren : Surelye Eudox Eudox: the evills w hi ch wch yow desyre to bee Iren : Iren: Surelye Eudox: Eudox the evills wch w hi ch yow desyre to bee
recounted are verie manye and almost countable w i th wth recounted are verie manye and almost countable wth w i th
those w hi ch wch were hydden in the baskette of Pandora . Pan dora : those wch w hi ch were hydden in the baskette of Pan dora : Pandora .
but since yow so please I will out of that infynite nomber but since yow so please I will out of that infynite nomber
reck . e ne reckne but some that are most capitall , capitall, and comonlye com m onlye reckne reck . e ne but some that are most capitall, capitall , and com m onlye comonlye
occurrence occurrente, both in the lyfe and condycons of pryvate occurrente, occurrence both in the lyfe and condycons of pryvate
menn , menn, and also in the menage of publique affayres menn, menn , and also in the menage of publique affayres
and pollycie , pollycie, The w hi ch wch yow shall vnderstand to bee of and pollycie, pollycie , The wch w hi ch yow shall vnderstand to bee of
dyverse natures, as I obserued them , ffor them, For some of them dyverse natures, as I obserued them, For them , ffor some of them
are of verye greate antiquitye and longe contineu continew are of verye greate antiquitye and longe continew contineu
ance . ance; others more late and of lesse endurance , endurance, ance; ance . others more late and of lesse endurance, endurance ,
Others ^ dalie growinge and increasinge Contynewallye as Others ^ dalie growinge and increasinge Contynewallye as
the evill occasions are everye daye offreed : offreed: the evill occasions are everye daye offreed: offreed :
Eudox Eudox
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Eudox: Eudox : Tell them I praye yow in the same order that Eudox : Eudox: Tell them I praye yow in the same order that
yow haue now no w rehearsed them ,: ffor them,: For there cann bee noe better yow haue no w now rehearsed them,: For them ,: ffor there cann bee noe better
methode then this w hi ch wch the verye matter yt self offerth: offreth: methode then this wch w hi ch the verye matter yt self offreth: offerth:
And when yow you haue reckned all the evills , evills, lett vs heare And when you yow haue reckned all the evills, evills , lett vs heare
yo u r yor opynion for redressinge of them . them, After w hi ch wch there will yor yo u r opynion for redressinge of them, them . After wch w hi ch there will
p er happs of yt self appeare some reasonable waye to settle p er happs of yt self appeare some reasonable waye to settle
a sounde and p er fecte rule of gou er ern m ent en t by shvninge the form er a sounde and p er fecte rule of gou ern er m en t ent by shvninge the form er
evills and followinge the offred good, The w hi ch wch method evills and followinge the offred good, The wch w hi ch method
wee maye learne of the wise phisicions w hi ch wch first -- - wee maye learne of the wise phisicions wch w hi ch first - --
require that the maladye bee knowen thorowlye and require that the maladye bee knowen thorowlye and
descou discou er ed . After wardes ed, Afterwardes doe teach how to cure and redresse discou descou er ed, Afterwardes ed . After wardes doe teach how to cure and redresse
yt : yt: And lastlie doe p re sribe scribe a dyet w hi ch wth streight rules and yt: yt : And lastlie doe p re scribe sribe a dyet wth w hi ch streight rules and
orders to bee dalye obserued ; obserued, for feare of relapse into orders to bee dalye obserued, obserued ; for feare of relapse into
the form er dysease or fallinge into some other more the form er dysease or fallinge into some other more
dangerous then yt :. yt:: dangerous then yt:: yt :.
Iren: Iren : I will then accordinge to yo ur yor aduisem en t begynne to declare Iren : Iren: I will then accordinge to yor yo ur aduisem en t begynne to declare
the evills w hi ch wch seeme to me most hurtefull to the Common Com m on the evills wch w hi ch seeme to me most hurtefull to the Com m on Common
weale of that lande . lande, And first those w hi ch wch I said were weale of that lande, lande . And first those wch w hi ch I said were
most antient and longe growen , growen, and they are also of most antient and longe growen, growen , and they are also of
three kynds: kyndes: The first in the lawes, the second in three kyndes: kynds: The first in the lawes, the second in
Customes, the last in relidgion : relidgion: Customes, the last in relidgion: relidgion :
Eudox: Eudox : Why Irenius can there bee any evill in the lawes . can lawes. can Eudox : Eudox: Why Irenius can there bee any evill in the lawes. can lawes . can
the thinges w hi ch wch are ordayned for the saiftye and good of all --- all: the thinges wch w hi ch are ordayned for the saiftye and good of all: all ---
turne to the evill and hurte of them : them: This well I wote turne to the evill and hurte of them: them : This well I wote
both in that state and in all others other: that were they not both in that state and in all other: others that were they not
contayned in dewtye w hi ch wth feare of lawe w hi ch wch restrayneth contayned in dewtye wth w hi ch feare of lawe wch w hi ch restrayneth
offences, and inflicteth sharpe punishm en t to misdoers , misdoers, Noe offences, and inflicteth sharpe punishm en t to misdoers, misdoers , Noe
man should enioye anye thinge eu er ie mans hande would man should enioye anye thinge eu er ie mans hande would
bee against another , another, Therefore in fyndinge faulte w i th wth bee against another, another , Therefore in fyndinge faulte wth w i th
the lawes I doubte me yow shall much owershoote yo u r overshoote yor the lawes I doubte me yow shall much overshoote yor owershoote yo u r
self , self, and make me the more dislyke yo u r yor other dislikes of self, self , and make me the more dislyke yor yo u r other dislikes of
that gou er ern m ent en t : that gou ern er m en t ent :
Irennius Irennius
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Irennius: Irennius : The lawes Eudox: Eudox : I doe not blame for them selues Irennius : Irennius: The lawes Eudox : Eudox: I doe not blame for them selues
knowinge that all lawes are ordayned for the good of the knowinge that all lawes are ordayned for the good of the
comon wealth , wealth, and for repressinge of lycensiousnesse comon wealth, wealth , and for repressinge of lycensiousnesse
and vyce : vyce: but it falleth out in lawes noe other wise , otherwise, - and vyce: vyce : but it falleth out in lawes noe otherwise, - other wise ,
then yt doth in Phisicke , w hi ch Phisicke, wch was at first devized then yt doth in Phisicke, wch Phisicke , w hi ch was at first devized
and is yett dalye mente and ministred for the health of and is yett dalye mente and ministred for the health of
the patiente , paciente, but neu er theles wee often see that eyther the paciente, patiente , but neu er theles wee often see that eyther
thorowe ignorance of the diseaze , diseaze, or vnseasonablenes thorowe ignorance of the diseaze, diseaze , or vnseasonablenes
of the tyme , tyme, or other accydents cominge accydentes com m inge betwene in of the tyme, tyme , or other accydentes com m inge accydents cominge betwene in
steade of good yt h worketh hurte , hurte, and out of one steade of good yt h worketh hurte, hurte , and out of one
evill , evill, throweth the patient into many miseries : miseries: evill, evill , throweth the patient into many miseries: miseries :
So the lawes were at first intended for the reformaco reformac i o n So the lawes were at first intended for the reformac i o reformaco n
of abuses , of abuses, and peaceable contynuwance contynewance of the subiecte : subiectes: of abuses, of abuses , and peaceable contynewance contynuwance of the subiectes: subiecte :
but are sythence eyther disanulled or quite prevaricated but are sythence eyther disanulled or quite prevaricated
thorowe change and alterac i on of tymes tymes, yett are thorowe change and alterac i on of tymes, tymes yett are
they good still in them selues, but to that Comen- Com m on they good still in them selues, but to that Com m on Comen-
Wealth w hi ch wealth wch is ruled by them they worke not that wealth wch Wealth w hi ch is ruled by them they worke not that
good w hi ch wch they should should, and sometymes also p er happs good wch w hi ch they should, should and sometymes also p er happs
that eu e OB evill w hi ch wch they would not : :: that e OB eu evill wch w hi ch they would not :: :
Eudox: Eudox : Whether doe yow meane this by the Com m on lawes Eudox : Eudox: Whether doe yow meane this by the Com m on lawes
of the realme or by the statute lawes and acts of actes of of the realme or by the statute lawes and actes of acts of
p ar lamente : lamentes: p ar lamentes: lamente :
Iren : Surelye by them both : ffor both: For even the Com m on lawes Iren : Surelye by them both: For both : ffor even the Com m on lawes
beinge that w hi ch wch William of Normandie brought in beinge that wch w hi ch William of Normandie brought in
w i th wth his conquest and layde vpon the necke of England, wth w i th his conquest and layde vpon the necke of England,
though yt p er happs fytted well w i th wth the state of England though yt p er happs fytted well wth w i th the state of England
then beinge , beinge, and was readelye obayed thorowe the then beinge, beinge , and was readelye obayed thorowe the
power of the Com m aunder , w hi ch aunder, wch had before subdued power of the Com m aunder, wch aunder , w hi ch had before subdued
the people to him and made easye waye to the the people to him and made easye waye to the
settinge of his will : will: yett w i th wth the state of Ireland settinge of his will: will : yett wth w i th the state of Ireland
p er adventure yt doth not so well agree . agree. beinge a people p er adventure yt doth not so well agree. agree . beinge a people
altogeather stubborne and vntamed , vntamed, and yf it yt were altogeather stubborne and vntamed, vntamed , and yf yt it were
once tamed , tamed, yet now latelye haue quite shaken of once tamed, tamed , yet now latelye haue quite shaken of
theire theire
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3 theire yooke and broken the bandes of theire obedyence: theire yooke and broken the bandes of theire obedyence: 3
theire yooke and broken the bandes For England before the entrance of theire obedyence. the Conquero r For England before the entrance theire yooke and broken the bandes of the Conquero r theire obedyence.
ffor England before the entrance of the Conquero r was an vnpeaceable kingdome, and but latelye entred was an vnpeaceable kingdome, and but latelye entred ffor England before the entrance of the Conquero r
was an vnpeaceable kingdome , to the mylde and but latelye entred godlie gou ern m en t of Kinge Edward surna to the mylde was an vnpeaceable kingdome , and godlie gou ern m en t of Kinge Edward surna but latelye entred
to med the mylde and godlie gou er m en t of Kinge Edward surna confessor, besides nowe latelye growen vnto med to the confessor, besides nowe latelye growen vnto mylde and godlie gou er m en t of Kinge Edward surna
med the confessor , besides nowe latelye growen vnto med the confessor , besides nowe latelye growen vnto
a loathinge and detestac i on of the vniust and tyrranous a loathinge and detestac i on of the vniust and tyrranous
rule of Harold an Vsurper , w hi ch Vsurper, wch made them the more rule of Harold an Vsurper, wch Vsurper , w hi ch made them the more
willing .. willinge OB to accepte of any reasonable Condycons and willinge OB willing .. to accepte of any reasonable Condycons and
or order of the newe Victor , Victor, thinckinge surelye yt or order of the newe Victor, Victor , thinckinge surelye yt
would bee noe worse then the latter , latter, and hopinge would bee noe worse then the latter, latter , and hopinge
well yt would bee as good as the form er , yet what well yt would bee as good as the form er , yet what
the proofe of the first bringinge in and establishing the proofe of the first bringinge in and establishing
of those Lawes ^was , lawes was was to manye full bytterlye made of those lawes was Lawes ^was , was to manye full bytterlye made
knowen : knowen: But w i th wth Ireland yt is farr otherwise : ffor otherwise: For knowen: knowen : But wth w i th Ireland yt is farr otherwise: For otherwise : ffor
yt is a nac i on , ever acquainted w i th wth such warrs though yt is a nac i on , ever acquainted wth w i th such warrs though
but amongst them selues , selues, and in theire owne kynde but amongst them selues, selues , and in theire owne kynde
of militarie discipline trayned vpp even from of militarie discipline trayned vpp even from
theire youthe w hi ch youthes wch they haue never yet bene taughte theire youthes wch youthe w hi ch they haue never yet bene taughte
to laye asyde , asyde, nor made to learne obedyence vnto to laye asyde, asyde , nor made to learne obedyence vnto
the lawe , the lawe, scarselye to knowe the name of lawe, the lawe, the lawe , scarselye to knowe the name of lawe,
but insteade thereof haue alwayes p re serued and -- - but insteade thereof haue alwayes p re serued and - --
kepte theire owne lawe w hi ch wch is the Brehon lawe : lawe: kepte theire owne lawe wch w hi ch is the Brehon lawe: lawe :
Eudox: Eudox : What is that w hi ch wch yow call the Brehon lawe: Eudox : Eudox: What is that wch w hi ch yow call the Brehon lawe:
Iren : It is a c er taine rule of righte vnwritten , vnwritten, but is or Iren : It is a c er taine rule of righte vnwritten, vnwritten , but or is
deliu er ed by tradycon from one to another , another, in w hi ch wch deliu er ed by tradycon from one to another, another , in wch w hi ch
often tymes oftentymes there appeareth greate showe of equitie oftentymes often tymes there appeareth greate showe of equitie
in determininge the righte betwene p ar tie and p ar tie , tie, but in determininge the righte betwene p ar tie and p ar tie, tie , but
in manye thinge thinges repugninge quite from gode godes lawe in manye thinges thinge repugninge quite from godes gode lawe
and mans , mans, as for example , in example, In the case of murther : murther: and mans, mans , as for example, In example , in the case of murther: murther :
The Brehon that is theire Iudge will Compound compound The Brehon that is theire Iudge will compound Compound
betwene the murtherer and the frinde frindes of the p ar tie - betwene the murtherer and the frindes frinde of the p ar tie -
murthred , w hi ch murthred, wch p ro secute the accon , accon, That the malle murthred, wch murthred , w hi ch p ro secute the accon, accon , That the malle
factor shall giue vnto them , them, or to the Childe or factor shall giue vnto them, them , or to the Childe or
wyfe of him that is slayne a recompence w hi ch wch wyfe of him that is slayne a recompence wch w hi ch
they call an Iriach , by w hi ch wch vile lawe of theirs they call an Iriach , by wch w hi ch vile lawe of theirs
many many
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manye murders are amongst them made vpp and manye murders are amongst them made vpp and
smothered. And this Iudge , Iudge, beinge as he is called the smothered. And this Iudge, Iudge , beinge as he is called the
Lorde Brehon adiudgeth for the most p ar te a better abetter share Lorde Brehon adiudgeth for the most p ar te abetter a better share
vnto his Lord, that is thee Lord of the soyle or the heade vnto his Lord, that is thee Lord of the soyle or the heade
of that septe and also vnto him self f.r. f OB r OB for his Iudgm en t a of that septe and also vnto him self f OB r OB f.r. for his Iudgm en t a
greate porcon then vnto the plaintives or p ar ties greived : greived: greate porcon then vnto the plaintives or p ar ties greived: greived :
Eudox: Eudox : That is a most wicked lawe indeed but I trust yt Eudox : Eudox: That is a most wicked lawe indeed but I trust yt
is not nowe vsed in Ireland , Ireland, since the kings kinges of - is not nowe vsed in Ireland, Ireland , since the kinges kings of -
England have had the absolute dominion thereof and England have had the absolute dominion thereof and
established there owne lawes there Lawes there: established there owne Lawes there: lawes there
Iren: Iren : Yes trewlye for there are many wyde countries Iren : Iren: Yes trewlye for there are many wyde countries
in Ireland in w hi ch wch the lawes of England were neu er in Ireland in wch w hi ch the lawes of England were neu er
established, nor any acknowledgm en t of subiection made established, nor any acknowledgm en t of subiection made
and also even in those w hi ch wch are subdued , subdued, and seeme to and also even in those wch w hi ch are subdued, subdued , and seeme to
acknowledge subiection , subiection, yet the same Brehon lawe is acknowledge subiection, subiection , yet the same Brehon lawe is
previlye practized amongst them selues , selues, by reason þ a y t previlye practized amongst them selues, selues , by reason y þ a t
dwellinge as they doe : whole nacons and septs septes of dwellinge as they doe : whole nacons and septes septs of
the Irishe togeather , w i th out togeather, wthout any English man the Irishe togeather, wthout togeather , w i th out any English man
amongst them they maye doe what they liste , liste, and amongst them they maye doe what they liste, liste , and
compounde or altogeather conceale amongst them compounde or altogeather conceale amongst them
selues there owne crymes of w hi ch wch noe notice can selues there owne crymes of wch w hi ch noe notice can
bee had by them w hi ch wch would and might amende the bee had by them wch w hi ch would and might amende the
same , same, by the rule of the lawes of Englande . Lawes of Englande: same, same , by the rule of the Lawes of Englande: lawes of Englande .
Eudox: Eudox : What is this w hi ch wch yow saye , saye, and is there anye Eudox : Eudox: What is this wch w hi ch yow saye, saye , and is there anye
p ar te of that realme or any nac i on therein , w hi ch therein, wch haue p ar te of that realme or any nac i on therein, wch therein , w hi ch haue
not yett bene subdued to the crowne Crowne of England : Englande: not yett bene subdued to the Crowne crowne of Englande: England :
ded not the whole realme vniu er sallye accepte and a ac ded not the whole realme vniu er sallye accepte and ac a
knowledge our late Late Prince of famous memorye knowledge our Late late Prince of famous memorye
Henrie : the eight there theire onelye king and leige liege Henrie : the eight theire there onelye king and liege leige
Lord : Lord: Lord: Lord :
Iren: Iren : Yes verilye verylye In a p ar lament holden in the tyme of Iren : Iren: Yes verylye verilye In a p ar lament holden in the tyme of
S i S r Anthonye St S t Legar then lord deputie , Lord deputie, all the S S i r Anthonye S t St Legar then Lord deputie, lord deputie , all the
Irishe Lordes and principull principall men came in , and in, and Irishe Lordes and principall principull men came in, and in , and
beinge by faire meanes wrought therevnto ac beinge by faire meanes wrought therevnto ac
knowledgm ent knowledged knowledged knowledgm ent
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knowledged Kinge Henrye for theire Sou er aigne Lord, knowledged Kinge Henrye for theire Sou er aigne Lord,
reseruinge yet( as sime saye ) yet (as some saye) vnto them selues all theire reseruinge yet (as some saye) yet( as sime saye ) vnto them selues all theire
owne form er p re vilidged ri vilidges and signories invyolate : invyolate: owne form er p ri vilidges re vilidged and signories invyolate: invyolate :
Eudox:: Eudox : Then by that acceptance of his sou er aignetie they Eudox : Eudox:: Then by that acceptance of his sou er aignetie they
also accepted of his lawes , lawes, whie then should any other also accepted of his lawes, lawes , whie then should any other
lawes be nowe vsed amongst them :: them:: lawes be nowe vsed amongst them:: them ::
Iren: Then Iren : Trew yt is that thereby they bounde them selues to Iren : Trew Iren: Then yt is that thereby they bounde them selues to
his lawes and obedyence and in case yt had bene follo his lawes and obedyence and in case yt had bene follo
wed against them as yt should haue bene ) bene) and a wed against them as yt should haue bene) bene ) and a
gou er ern m en t therevpon p re sentlye setled amongst them agrea gou ern er m en t therevpon p re sentlye setled amongst them agrea
ble therevnto , therevnto, they should haue bene reduced to p er petuall ble therevnto, therevnto , they should haue bene reduced to p er petuall
Civillitye and contayned in contynevall dewtye : contynewall dewtye: But Civillitye and contayned in contynewall dewtye: contynevall dewtye : But
what boote bootes yt to breake a Colte and to lett him streight what bootes boote yt to breake a Colte and to lett him streight
rvn loose at randome . randome: So were this people at first rvn loose at randome: randome . So were this people at first
well handled and wiselye broughte to acknowledge ~~ -- well handled and wiselye broughte to acknowledge -- ~~
alleigance to the kinge kinges of England , England, but being beinge streight alleigance to the kinges kinge of England, England , but beinge being streight
left vnto them selues and there owne inordynate lyfe left vnto them selues and there owne inordynate lyfe
and manners , manners, they eftsones forgitt forgott what before they and manners, manners , they eftsones forgott forgitt what before they
were taught , were taught, and so soone as they were out of sight were taught, were taught , and so soone as they were out of sight
by them selues shooke of theire brydles and begann to by them selues shooke of theire brydles and begann to
Colte anewe , colte anewe, more lycensiouslye then before :: before:: colte anewe, Colte anewe , more lycensiouslye then before:: before ::
Eudox: Eudox : It is great pyttie that so good an oportunitye was Eudox : Eudox: It is great pyttie that so good an oportunitye was
omitted, and so happye an occasion foreslacked that omitted, and so happye an occasion foreslacked that
might haue bred the eternall good of that land , land, but ded doe might haue bred the eternall good of that land, land , but doe ded
they not still acknowledge that submission :: submission:: they not still acknowledge that submission:: submission ::
Iren Noe they doe not for nowe the heires and posteritie of Iren Noe they doe not for nowe the heires and posteritie of
them w hi ch yeilded , wch yeilded, the same are (as they saye ) saye) eyther them wch yeilded, w hi ch yeilded , the same are (as they saye) saye ) eyther
ignorante thereof or doe wilfullye denye or stedfastly ignorante thereof or doe wilfullye denye or stedfastly
disavowe yt :: yt:: disavowe yt:: yt ::
Eudox: Eudox : How can they so doe iustlye , doth iustlye, Doth not the acte of Eudox : Eudox: How can they so doe iustlye, Doth iustlye , doth not the acte of
the parente in any lawfull grante or conveyance the parente in any lawfull grante or conveyance
bynde his heires for ever therevnto & Since then bynde his heires for ever therevnto & Since then
the the
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the ancestors of th.e th OB e se that now live yeilded them the ancestors of th OB e th.e se that now live yeilded them
selues then subiects subiectes and leige men , men, shall yt not tye selues then subiectes subiects and leige men, men , shall yt not tye
theire children to the same subiection ~: - : theire children to the same subiection - : ~:
Iren: Iren : They saye noe , ffor noe, For theire Anncistors Auncestors had Iren : Iren: They saye noe, For noe , ffor theire Auncestors Anncistors had
had noe estate in anye theire lands , signiories landes, Signiories had noe estate in anye theire landes, Signiories lands , signiories
or heridytam en te s tes longer than then duringe theire owne or heridytam en tes te s longer then than duringe theire owne
lyves , lyves, as they alled ge ; ffor alle d ge; For all the Irishe doe hould lyves, lyves , as they alle d ge; For alled ge ; ffor all the Irishe doe hould
theire lande Landes by Tanistrye , w hi ch Tanistrye, wch is to saye noe more but theire Landes lande by Tanistrye, wch Tanistrye , w hi ch is to saye noe more but
a p er sonallye estate for his lyef tyme , tyme, that is Tanist : and a p er sonallye estate for his lyef tyme, tyme , that is Tanist : and
Tanistrie : Tanistrie: They bee names and tearmes never by Tanistrie: Tanistrie : They bee names and tearmes never by
reason that he is admitted therevnto by election eleccion of reason that he is admitted therevnto by eleccion election of
the Countrye : Countrye: the Countrye: Countrye :
Eudox: Eudox : What is this yow call Tanist: and Tanistrie Tanistry Eudox : Eudox: What is this yow call Tanist: and Tanistry Tanistrie
they bee names and termes never hearde of or they bee names and termes never hearde of or
knowne to vs . ~ . vs.-. knowne to vs.-. vs . ~ .
Ireni Irenni : It is a custome amongst all the Irishe that Irenni Ireni : It is a custome amongst all the Irishe that
p re sentlie after the deathe of any theire chief lordes cheif Lordes p re sentlie after the deathe of any theire cheif Lordes chief lordes
or Captaines, they doe p re sentlye assemble them or Captaines, they doe p re sentlye assemble them
selues to a place gen er allye appointed and knowen selues to a place gen er allye appointed and knowen
vnto them to chuse another in his steade where vnto them to chuse another in his steade where
they doe nominate and electe for the most p ar te they doe nominate and electe for the most p ar te
not the old eld eldest sonn nor anye of the children not the eld old eldest sonn nor anye of the children
of theire Lord deceased, but the next to him of of theire Lord deceased, but the next to him of
bloude , bloude, that is the eldest and worthiest as com m only bloude, bloude , that is the eldest and worthiest as com m only
the next brother vnto him if he haue anye , anye, or the next brother vnto him if he haue anye, anye , or
the next cozine Germaine , Germaine, or so forth as any the next cozine Germaine, Germaine , or so forth as any
is elder in that kynred or septe : septe: And then next is elder in that kynred or septe: septe : And then next
to him doe these chuse the nexte of the blood to him doe these chuse the nexte of the blood
to be Tanist who shall next succeed him in to be Tanist who shall next succeed him in
the said Captenrye , Captenrye, yf he lyve therevnto ~ ~ . therevnto--. the said Captenrye, Captenrye , yf he lyve therevnto--. therevnto ~ ~ .
Eudox Eudox: Eudox: Eudox
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5 Eudox : doe they vse any Cerymonie in this eleccion. For Eudox : doe they vse any Cerymonie in this eleccion. For 5
Eudox: doe they vse any Cerymonie in this election . ffor Eudox: doe they vse any Cerymonie in this election . ffor
all barborous nac i ons are comonlye great obseruers all barborous nac i ons are comonlye great obseruers
of Ceremonyes and supersticious rites :: rites:: of Ceremonyes and supersticious rites:: rites ::
Iren: Iren : They vse to place him that shallbe shalbee theire Capten vpo n Iren : Iren: They vse to place him that shalbee shallbe theire Capten vpo n
a stone, alwayes reserved for that purpose , purpose, and placed a stone, alwayes reserved for that purpose, purpose , and placed
com m onlye vpon a hill in manye of the w hi ch wch I haue seene com m onlye vpon a hill in manye of the wch w hi ch I haue seene
the foote of a man for.med formed and graven w hi ch wch they saye the foote of a man formed for.med and graven wch w hi ch they saye
was the measure of theire first Capteines foote ~ ~ foote-- was the measure of theire first Capteines foote-- foote ~ ~
whereon he standinge receaveth an oath to p re serve all whereon he standinge receaveth an oath to p re serve all
the form er auntiente Customes of the countrye inviolable, the form er auntiente Customes of the countrye inviolable,
and to deliu er vpp the succession peaceablye to his Tanist and to deliu er vpp the succession peaceablye to his Tanist
and then hath a wande deliu er ed vnto him by some whose p ro p er and then hath a wande deliu er ed vnto him by some whose p ro p er
office that is, after w hi ch wch discendinge from the stone office that is, after wch w hi ch discendinge from the stone
he turneth him self round thrice forward and thrice he turneth him self round thrice forward and thrice
backward :. backward:. backward:. backward :.
Eudox: Eudox : But how is the Tanist chosen ~ ~ chosen--: Eudox Eudox: But how is the Tanist chosen--: chosen ~ ~ :
Iren: Iren : They saye he setteth but one foote vpon the stone ~ stone - Iren : Iren: They saye he setteth but one foote vpon the stone - stone ~
and receyveth the lyke oath the Capteine did : ~ did:- and receyveth the lyke oath the Capteine did:- did : ~
Eudox: Eudox : Haue yow ever heard what was the occasion Eudox : Eudox: Haue yow ever heard what was the occasion
and first begynninge of this Custome , ffor Custome, For yt is good and first begynninge of this Custome, For Custome , ffor yt is good
to knowe the same , same, and maye p er happs discou er some to knowe the same, same , and maye p er happs discou er some
secrete meaninge and intente therein verye materiall secrete meaninge and intente therein verye materiall
to the state of that gou er ern m en t :~. :-. to the state of that gou ern er m en t :-. :~.
Iren: Iren : I haue hearde that the begynninge and cause of this Iren : Iren: I haue hearde that the begynninge and cause of this
ordynance amongst the Irishe was speciallye for the ordynance amongst the Irishe was speciallye for the
defence and mainteynance of theire lande in theire defence and mainteynance of theire lande in theire
posteritie , posteritie, and for excludinge all innovac i ons or posteritie, posteritie , and for excludinge all innovac i ons or
alienacon alienacon
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alyenac i on thereof vnto strangers and especiallye to the alyenac i on thereof vnto strangers and especiallye to the
Englishe : ffor Englishe: For when theire Capten doeth deeth dieth yf the Englishe: For Englishe : ffor when theire Capten deeth doeth dieth yf the
Signiorie should discende vnto his childe and he p er happs Signiorie should discende vnto his childe and he p er happs
an Infante , Infante, any other mighte p er happs stepp i in betwene an Infante, Infante , any other mighte p er happs stepp in i betwene
and thurste him oute by stronge hand, being beinge then vnable and thurste him oute by stronge hand, beinge being then vnable
to defende his righte or to w i th stande wthstande the force of to defende his righte or to wthstande w i th stande the force of
a forraner , forraner, And therefore they doe appointe the eldest a forraner, forraner , And therefore they doe appointe the eldest
of the kynn to haue the Signyorie, Signyorie; for that he com m onlye of the kynn to haue the Signyorie; Signyorie, for that he com m onlye
is a man of stronge stronger yeares and better experyence to is a man of stronger stronge yeares and better experyence to
maintayne the inheritance and to defende the - maintayne the inheritance and to defende the -
Countrye , Countrye, eyther against the next bordringe Lordes Countrye, Countrye , eyther against the next bordringe Lordes
w hi ch wch vse comonlye to encroch one vpon another , another, as each wch w hi ch vse comonlye to encroch one vpon another, another , as each
one is stronger , stronger, or against the Englishe w hi ch wch they one is stronger, stronger , or against the Englishe wch w hi ch they
thinke lye still in wayte to wype them oute of there thinke lye still in wayte to wype them oute of there
land es and territories , landes and territories, and to this ende they the OB Tanist is landes and territories, land es and territories , and to this ende the OB they Tanist is
always alwayes readye knowin , knowne, yf yt should happen the Capte n alwayes always readye knowne, knowin , yf yt should happen the Capte n
suddenlie to dye or to be slayne in battayle or to bee suddenlie to dye or to be slayne in battayle or to bee
oute of the Countrye allotted vnto him to defende and oute of the Countrye allotted vnto him to defende and
kepe yt from all such doubte , doubtes, and dangers : ffor w hi ch dangers: For wch kepe yt from all such doubtes, doubte , and dangers: For wch dangers : ffor w hi ch
cause the Taniste Tanist hath also a share of the Countrie cause the Tanist Taniste hath also a share of the Countrie
allotted vnto him, and certaine Cuttinge s Cuttinges and spendinges allotted vnto him, and certaine Cuttinges Cuttinge s and spendinges
vpon all the Inhabytante s , Inhabytantes, vnder the Lord : Lord: vpon all the Inhabytantes, Inhabytante s , vnder the Lord: Lord :
Eudox: Eudox : When I heare this worde Tanist yt bringeth to Eudox : Eudox: When I heare this worde Tanist yt bringeth to
my remembrance what I haue redd of Tania þ a y t my remembrance what I haue redd of Tania y þ a t
it should signifye a province or Signiorie : Signiorie: Aquitania it should signifye a province or Signiorie: Signiorie : Aquitania
Lusitania Iusitania and Britania, Britania , the w hi ch wch some doe thincke to Iusitania Lusitania and Britania , Britania, the wch w hi ch some doe thincke to
thincke to be deryved of Tania, Dania , that is from the danes Danes, thincke to be deryved of Dania , Tania, that is from the Danes, danes
but I thincke , amisse , thincke, amisse, But sure yt semith semeth that yt but I thincke, amisse, thincke , amisse , But sure yt semeth semith that yt
came ancyentlye from those larborous barborous nations that came ancyentlye from those barborous larborous nations that
overr ran the world , w hi ch proffessed world, wch possessed those Dominions, dominions, overr ran the world, wch possessed world , w hi ch proffessed those dominions, Dominions,
whereof they are now so called . called: And so yt maye welbe whereof they are now so called: called . And so yt maye welbe
that from theme thence the first oridginall of this worde that from thence theme the first oridginall of this worde
Tanist Tanist
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Tanist and Tanistry came, and the Custome thereof hath Tanist and Tanistry came, and the Custome thereof hath
sythence as many others bee elle s ells bene contynewed , contynewed, But sythence as many others bee ells elle s bene contynewed, contynewed , But
to that gen er all subiecc i on of the lande whereof wee form er ly to that gen er all subiecc i on of the lande whereof wee form er ly
spake, mee semes that this Custome or tenure can bee spake, mee semes that this Custome or tenure can bee
noe barr nor ympeachm en t seinge that in open p ar lam en t noe barr nor ympeachm en t seinge that in open p ar lam en t
by theire said acknowledgm en t they wayved the bennyfite benyfite by theire said acknowledgm en t they wayved the benyfite bennyfite
thereof, and submitted them selues to the ordynance of thereof, and submitted them selues to the ordynance of
theire newe sou er aigne : aigne: theire newe sou er aigne: aigne :
Iren: Iren : Yea but they saye as I earst tould yow that they reserued Iren : Iren: Yea but they saye as I earst tould yow that they reserued
theire tytles tenures , tenures, and signiories whole and sound to theire tytles tenures, tenures , and signiories whole and sound to
them selues , selues, and for proof alled alle d ged that they haue eu er them selues, selues , and for proof alle d alled ged that they haue eu er
sythence remayned to them vntouched , vntouched, so as nowe to alter sythence remayned to them vntouched, vntouched , so as nowe to alter
them ^ should they saye ^ should bee a greate wronge : agreate wronge: them ^ should they saye ^ should bee agreate wronge: a greate wronge :
Eudox: Eudox : what ^ remedie is theire then or meanes to avoyde this Eudox : Eudox: what ^ remedie is theire then or meanes to avoyde this
inconvenience , ffor w i th inconvenience, For wth out first cuttinge of this dange inconvenience, For wth inconvenience , ffor w i th out first cuttinge of this dange
rous custome yt semeth harde to plante any sound rous custome yt semeth harde to plante any sound
ordynance , ordynance, or reduce them to a cyvill gou er m en t , since all ordynance, ordynance , or reduce them to a cyvill gou er m en t , since all
theire evill customes are p er mitted vnto them : them: theire evill customes are p er mitted vnto them: them :
Iren: Iren : Surelye nothinge hard for by this acte of p ar la Iren : Iren: Surelye nothinge hard for by this acte of p ar la
ment ment, whereof wee speake , we speake, nothinge was gyven to ment, ment whereof we speake, wee speake , nothinge was gyven to
Kinge Henrie , w hi ch Henrie, wch he had not before from his Aun Kinge Henrie, wch Henrie , w hi ch he had not before from his Aun
cestors , cestors, but onelye the bare name of a kinge. ffor kinge: For all cestors, cestors , but onelye the bare name of a kinge: For kinge. ffor all
other absolute power of principallitye he had in other absolute power of principallitye he had in
him self before deryved from manye form er kinge s , kinges, his him self before deryved from manye form er kinges, kinge s , his
famous progennitors and worthye Conquerors of that famous progennitors and worthye Conquerors of that
land, the w hi ch wch sythence they first conquered and land, the wch w hi ch sythence they first conquered and
by force subdued , subdued, vnto them , them, what neede he afterwarde s afterwardes by force subdued, subdued , vnto them, them , what neede he afterwardes afterwarde s
to enter into any such Idle termes w hi ch wth them to be called to enter into any such Idle termes wth w hi ch them to be called
theire kinge when, when as yt is in the powre of the theire kinge when when, as yt is in the powre of the
Conqueror to take vpon him self what tytles tytle he Conqueror to take vpon him self what tytle tytles he
will over his dominions conquered , conquered. for all is the will over his dominions conquered. conquered , for all is the
Conquerors Conquerors
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Conquerors, as Tullie to Brutus saith , saith, And therfore Conquerors, as Tullie to Brutus saith, saith , And therfore
mee seemes in stead of so great and meri. torious meritorious a ser mee seemes in stead of so great and meritorious meri. torious a ser
vice as they boast they p er formed to the kinge , kinge; in brin vice as they boast they p er formed to the kinge; kinge , in brin
ginge all the Irishe to our knowledge acknowledge him for theire ginge all the Irishe to acknowledge our knowledge him for theire
leige they did greate hurte vnto his tytle , tytle, and -- - leige they did greate hurte vnto his tytle, tytle , and - --
haue lefte a perpetuall gall e in the mynde of that haue lefte a perpetuall gall e in the mynde of that
people , people, who before beinge absolutelye bound to his people, people , who before beinge absolutelye bound to his
obedyence , obedyence, are now tyed but w i th tearmes , wth tearmes, whereas obedyence, obedyence , are now tyed but wth tearmes, w i th tearmes , whereas
both theire lyves , theire lande lyves, theire landes and theire liberties both theire lyves, theire landes lyves , theire lande and theire liberties
were in his free power to appointe , appointe, what tennures , tennurs, were in his free power to appointe, appointe , what tennurs, tennures ,
what lawes what Condyc i ons he would over them , w hi ch them, wch what lawes what Condyc i ons he would over them, wch them , w hi ch
were o..r over all his , his, against w hi ch wch there could bee noe were over o..r all his, his , against wch w hi ch there could bee noe
rightfull assestance , assistance, or yf there were he mighte when rightfull assistance, assestance , or yf there were he mighte when
he would establishe them w i th wth a stronger hould hand . hand: he would establishe them wth w i th a stronger hould hand: hand .
Eudox: Eudox : Yea but p er happs yt seemed better vnto that noble Eudox : Eudox: Yea but p er happs yt seemed better vnto that noble
kinge to bringe them by there owne accorde to his kinge to bringe them by there owne accorde to his
obedyence and to plante a peaceable gou er ern m en t amongst obedyence and to plante a peaceable gou ern er m en t amongst
them , them, then by such vyolent meanes to plucke them them, them , then by such vyolent meanes to plucke them
vnder . vnder. Neyther yet hath he thereby left lost any thinge vnder. vnder . Neyther yet hath he thereby lost left any thinge
that he form er lye had , had, for havinge all before ab that he form er lye had, had , for havinge all before ab
solutelye in his owne power , power, it remayneth so still solutelye in his owne power, power , it remayneth so still
he havinge neyther forggotteneven forgotten even nor forgone any thing he havinge neyther forgotten even forggotteneven nor forgone any thing
thereby vnto them , them, but havinge receved receyved something thereby vnto them, them , but havinge receyved receved something
from them , them, that is a more amore voluntarie and loyall from them, them , that is amore a more voluntarie and loyall
subiection , subiection, So as her ma jes tie maye yett when yt subiection, subiection , So as her ma jes tie maye yett when yt
shall please her alter any thinge of those form er shall please her alter any thinge of those form er
ordynances , ordynances, or appointe other lawes that maye bee ordynances, ordynances , or appointe other lawes that maye bee
more both for there theire owne behoof . behoof, and for the god good more both for theire there owne behoof, behoof . and for the good god
of that people : people:: of that people:: people :
Iren: Iren : Not so for yt is not so easie now no w that thinges are growen Iren : Iren: Not so for yt is not so easie no w now that thinges are growen
into an habyte and haue there certaine course , course, to - - into an habyte and haue there certaine course, course , to - -
change the Channell , Channell, and turne theire streames a change the Channell, Channell , and turne theire streames a
nother waye , ffor waye:, For they maye haue now a coullorable nother waye:, For waye , ffor they maye haue now a coullorable
p re tence to w hi ch wth stand such invocasion havinge accepted of other p re tence to wth w hi ch stand such invocasion havinge accepted of other
lawes and rules alreadye . alreadye:: lawes and rules alreadye:: alreadye .
Eodox: Eudox: But Eudox: Eodox: But
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7 Eudox : But yow saye they doe not accepte of them but de Eudox : But yow saye they doe not accepte of them but de 7
Eudox: But yow saye they doe not acepte of them but de light rather to leane to their ould customes and - light rather to leane to their ould customes and - Eudox: But yow saye they doe not acepte of them but de
light rather to leane to theire ould customes Brehon: lawes, though they bee much more vniust and ~ Brehon: lawes, though they bee much more vniust light rather to leane to theire ould customes and ~
Brehon lawes , though they bee much also more vniust and vnconvenient for the com m on people, as also Brehon lawes , though they bee much more vnconvenient for the com m on people, as vniust and
also more vnconvenient by yor late relac i on people , as of them I gathred, As for the com m by yor late relac i also more vnconvenient for the com m on of them I gathred, As people , as
by yo u r late relacon lawes of them I gathered, As for the Englande they are surelye most iust lawes by yo u r late relacon of Englande they are surelye most iust them I gathered, As for the
lawes of Englande they are surelye and most iust ~ agreable both wth the gou ern m en t and wth the and lawes of Englande they are surelye most agreable both wth the gou ern m en t and wth the iust ~
and most agreable both w i th the gou er m en t and w i th the nature of the people, ho w falls yt out then that nature of the people, ho w falls yt out then that and most agreable both w i th the gou er m en t and w i th the
nature yow seeme to dislyke of the people , How falls yt out then that them, as not so meete for yow seeme to dislyke nature of them, as not so meete for the people , How falls yt out then that
yow see me to dislyke that realme of them , as Ireland, and not so meete for onelye the com m on that realme yow see me to dislyke of Ireland, and them , as not onelye the com m on so meete for
that realme , lawe but also the com m on statutes and not onelye actes of England , p ar lament wch lawe but also that realme , of p ar lament wch England , and actes not onelye the statutes com m on
lawe but also weare speciallye provided and acts of p ar lament w hi ch intended for the state weare speciallye provided lawe but also the state and intended for acts of p ar lament w hi ch
we are speciallye provided and intended for the onelye benifyte thereof: onelye benifyte thereof: we are speciallye provided and intended for the
onelye benifyte thereof Irenn : I was aboute to haue tould yow my reaso n therin Irenn : I was aboute to haue tould yow my reaso n therin onelye benifyte thereof
Iren I was aboute to haue tould but that yow my reaso n therin yor self drewe mee awaye wth other but that Iren I was aboute to haue tould yow yor self drewe mee awaye wth other my reaso n therin
but that questions, for I was shewinge yow yo u r self drewe mee awaye w i th other by what meanes questions, for I was shewinge but that yow by what meanes yo u r self drewe mee awaye w i th other
questions , for I was shewinge yow by what meanes questions , for I was shewinge yow by what meanes
and in what sorte the possitiue lawes were first and in what sorte the possitiue lawes were first
brought in and established by the Norman conqueror conquero r , brought in and established by the Norman conquero r , conqueror
w hi ch wch were not by him devised , nor applyed vnto the wch w hi ch were not by him devised , nor applyed vnto the
state of the realme then beinge , beinge,: nor as yt state of the realme then beinge,: beinge , nor as yt
might m i ght best bee , as bee, (as should by lawgyvers p er r incipally m i ght might best bee, (as bee , as should by lawgyvers p r er incipally
be regarded , regarded) but were indeed the verie lawes be regarded) regarded , but were indeed the verie lawes
of his owne Countrye of Normandye , Normandye, the Condyco Condyc i o n of his owne Countrye of Normandye, Normandye , the Condyc i o Condyco n
whereof . whereof. how farr yt differreth from this of whereof. whereof . how farr yt differreth from this of
England , England, is apparant to eu er ie least iudgm en t , but England, England , is apparant to eu er ie least iudgm en t , but
to transfor transfer the same lawes for the gou er ing e ning of to transfer transfor the same lawes for the gou er ning ing e of
the realme of Ireland was much more the realme of Ireland was much more
inconvenient , inconvenient, and vnmeete : for. vnmeete: for he found a better inconvenient, inconvenient , and vnmeete: for vnmeete : for. he found a better
advantage of the tyme tyme, then was in the “then was” boxed in advantage of the tyme, tyme then was in the “then was” boxed in
plantinge of them in England Ireland Irelande England, and followed the “England” boxed plantinge of them in Irelande England, England Ireland and followed the “England” boxed
execution of them , w i th them, wth more severitie , severitie, and was execution of them, wth them , w i th more severitie, severitie , and was
also p re sent in p er son to overlooke the Magistrates , Magistrates, also p re sent in p er son to overlooke the Magistrates, Magistrates ,
and to and to
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and to overr awe the subiectes w i th wth the terror of his sworde and and to overr awe the subiectes wth w i th the terror of his sworde and
countenance of his ma ies jes tie . : But not so in Ireland Ireland: for countenance of his ma jes ies tie . But not so in Ireland: Ireland : for
they weare otherwise effected , effected, and yet not so remaind , remaind, they weare otherwise effected, effected , and yet not so remaind, remaind ,
so as the same lawes mee seemes can ill fytt w i th wth there so as the same lawes mee seemes can ill fytt wth w i th there
disposission or worke that reformacon that is wished , wished, disposission or worke that reformacon that is wished, wished ,
for lawes ought to be fashioned vnto the mann er s and cond for lawes ought to be fashioned vnto the mann er s and cond
ycion of the people , people, to whom they are meant , meant, and not ycion of the people, people , to whom they are meant, meant , and not
to be ymposed vpon them accordinge accordynge to the symple to be ymposed vpon them accordynge accordinge to the symple
rule of right , . right, for then as I said in stead of good rule of right, right , . for then as I said in stead of good
they maye worke ill . ill, and p er verte justice Iustice to extreame they maye worke ill, ill . and p er verte Iustice justice to extreame
iniustice.. : ffor injustice: For he that would transferr the lawes injustice: For iniustice.. : ffor he that would transferr the lawes
of the Lacedymonians to the people of Ithens Athens should of the Lacedymonians to the people of Athens Ithens should
fynde a great agreat absurdytie and inconvenience : ffor these inconvenience: For those fynde agreat a great absurdytie and inconvenience: For those inconvenience : ffor these
lawes of Lacedemon Lacedemon: were devised by Lycurgus , as lawes of Lacedemon: Lacedemon were devised by Lycurgus , as
most proper and best agreinge w i th wth that people , people, most proper and best agreinge wth w i th that people, people ,
whome whom he knewe to be inclyned altogeather to wars wars, whom whome he knewe to be inclyned altogeather to wars, wars
And therefore wholie trayned them vpp even from And therefore wholie trayned them vpp even from
theire Cradles in armes and millytarie exrcyses exercyses theire Cradles in armes and millytarie exercyses exrcyses
cleane contrarye to the instituc i on of Solon , whom cleane contrarye to the instituc i on of Solon , whom
his lawes to the Ithenians Athenians labored by all meanes his lawes to the Athenians Ithenians labored by all meanes
to temp er theire warlike courrages w i th wth sweete ~ - to temp er theire warlike courrages wth w i th sweete - ~
delighte of learninge , learninge, and sciences , sciences, so that as delighte of learninge, learninge , and sciences, sciences , so that as
much as the one excelled in Armes and millitare much as the one excelled in Armes and millitare
exercyses thother exceded in knowledge , knowledge, the like exercyses thother exceded in knowledge, knowledge , the like
regarde and moderac i on ought to be had in tempe tempo regarde and moderac i on ought to be had in tempo tempe
ring and in enaging menaging of this stubborne nacon of the ring and menaging in enaging of this stubborne nacon of the
Irishe , Irishe, to bring them from theire delight of lycen Irishe, Irishe , to bring them from theire delight of lycen
sious barberisme tious barborisme vnto the loue of goodnes and Civill tious barborisme sious barberisme vnto the loue of goodnes and Civill
itie : itie:: itie:: itie :
Eudox: Eudox : I cannot see how that maye better bee then Eudox : Eudox: I cannot see how that maye better bee then
by the decypline of the lawes of England . ffor England. For by the decypline of the lawes of England. For England . ffor
the Englishe were as at first as stoute and warlike a the Englishe were at as first as stoute and warlike a
people as ever were the Irishe , Irishe, and yett yee people as ever were the Irishe, Irishe , and yett yee
see are now brought to that Civillitie , Civillitie, that noe see are now brought to that Civillitie, Civillitie , that noe
nac i on in nac i on in
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nacon in the worlde excelleth them in all godlye nacon in the worlde excelleth them in all godlye
conversac i on , on, and all studyes of knowledge and humanitie : humanitie: conversac i on, on , and all studyes of knowledge and humanitie: humanitie :
Iren: what Iren : What they now bee , no w bee, both yow and I see verie well well, but Iren : What Iren: what they no w bee, now bee , both yow and I see verie well, well but
by how manye thornye and harde wayes they are by how manye thornye and harde wayes they are
come therevnto , by how therevnto, by ho w manye Civill broyles , by how broyles, by how come therevnto, by ho w therevnto , by how manye Civill broyles, by how broyles , by how
many tumultuous rebellyons rebellyons, that even hazard often many tumultuous rebellyons, rebellyons that even hazard often
tymes the whole saftye saiftye of the kingdome , kingdome, maye tymes the whole saiftye saftye of the kingdome, kingdome , maye
easelye bee Considered , Considered, All w hi ch wch they never the easelye bee Considered, Considered , All wch w hi ch they never the
lesse fairelye overcame by reason of the contynew lesse fairelye overcame by reason of the contynew
all p re sence of the kinge whose onelye p p er son is ~ all p re sence of the kinge whose onelye p p er son is ~
oftentymes in steade of an Armye to Contayne the oftentymes in steade of an Armye to Contayne the
vnrulye people from a thowsand evill occasions , w hi ch occasions, wch vnrulye people from a thowsand evill occasions, wch occasions , w hi ch
that wretched kingedome , kingdome, is for wante thereof dalie that wretched kingdome, kingedome , is for wante thereof dalie
carryed into : into: The w hi ch wch when they so make heade , heade, carryed into: into : The wch w hi ch when they so make heade, heade ,
noe lawes noe pennalties , pennalties, can restraine , restraine, but that noe lawes noe pennalties, pennalties , can restraine, restraine , but that
they die doe in the vyolence of that furie treade downe they doe die in the vyolence of that furie treade downe
and trample vnderfoote all both dyvine and humane humaine and trample vnderfoote all both dyvine and humaine humane
thinges , thinges, and the lawes themselues them selues they doe speciallye thinges, thinges , and the lawes them selues themselues they doe speciallye
rage at and rende in peeces as most repugnante rage at and rende in peeces as most repugnante
to theire libertie , and naturall fredome , w hi ch fredome, wch in theire to theire libertie , and naturall fredome, wch fredome , w hi ch in theire
madnes they effect ~~ :-–: madnes they effect :-–: ~~
Eudox: Eudox : It is then a verye averye vnseasonable tyme to pleade lawe lawe, when swordes are in the handes of the vulgare or to thinck Eudox : Eudox: It is then averye a verye vnseasonable tyme to pleade lawe, when swordes are in the handes of the vulgare or to thinck lawe
to thinck retaine them wth feare of the vulgare or punishm en tes , when swordes are in the handes they when they swordes are in the handes of punishm en tes , the vulgare or to retaine them wth feare thinck
to retaine them feare looke after libertie and shake of punishm all gou ern m en tes , when they t - : - looke after libertie and shake to retaine them feare of all gou ern m punishm en t - : - tes , when they
looke after libertie and shake of all gou er m en t Iren : ~ Then so yt is wth Ireland Contynewallie for the Iren looke after libertie and shake of all gou er m en t : Then so yt is wth Ireland Contynewallie for the ~
Iren: Then so yt is w i th Ireland Contynewallie for the sworde was never yett out of theire hand, but when sworde was never yett out of theire hand, but when Iren: Then so yt is w i th Ireland Contynewallie for the
sworde was never yett out of theire hand , but when they are wearie wth warres and brought downe to -- they are wearie wth warres and brought downe to -- sworde was never yett out of theire hand , but when
extreame wre t chednes, then they are wearie w i th warrs and brought downe to ~~ Creepe a lyttle p er happs they Creepe a lyttle p er happs are wearie w i th warrs and brought downe to ~~
extreame wret chednes , then and sewe for grace, till they Creepe a lyttle p er happs haue gotten newe breath and sewe for grace, till extreame wret chednes , then they haue gotten newe breath Creepe a lyttle p er happs
and sewe for grace , till they haue gotten newe breath recovered strength againe: So as yt is in vaine to and recovered strength againe: So as yt is in vaine to sewe for grace , till they haue gotten newe breath
speake of plantinge of lawes and recovered strength againe : So as yt is in vaine to plottinge of pollycies, and plottinge of pollycies, recovered strength againe : So as yt is in vaine to
speake of plantinge of lawes and plottinge of pollycies till they be altogeather subdued: till they be altogeather subdued: speake of plantinge of lawes and plottinge of pollycies
till Eudox : Were they be altogeather subdued not so at the first conquering of them by Eudox till they not so at the first conquering of them by be altogeather subdued : Were
Eudox: Were they not so at the first conquering of them by Eudox: Were they not so at the first conquering of them by
Strangbowe in the tyme of Kinge Henrye the Strangbowe in the tyme of Kinge Henrye the
seconde seconde
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seconde . seconde. was there not a thorowe waye then made by the seconde. seconde . was there not a thorowe waye then made by the
sword, for the ymposinge of the lawes vpon them , them, and sword, for the ymposinge of the lawes vpon them, them , and
were they not then executed w i th sure wth such mightie hand were they not then executed wth such w i th sure mightie hand
as yow saye was vsed by the Norman Conqueror , Conqueror, what as yow saye was vsed by the Norman Conqueror, Conqueror , what
odes is there then in this case , case, why should not the odes is there then in this case, case , why should not the
same lawes take as good effecte in that people as same lawes take as good effecte in that people as
they did here : here: beinge in lyke sorte prepared by the they did here: here : beinge in lyke sorte prepared by the
sworde and brought vnder by extreamitye and whye sworde and brought vnder by extreamitye and whye
should yt not Contynewe in as good force and vygor should yt not Contynewe in as good force and vygor
for the Contayning of the people . people:: for the Contayning of the people:: people .
Iren. Iren : The Case yet is not lyke but there apperes great Iren : Iren. The Case yet is not lyke but there apperes great
odds betwene them , them, for by the Conquest of Henrye the odds betwene them, them , for by the Conquest of Henrye the
seconde trewe yt is that the Irishe were vtterlye seconde trewe yt is that the Irishe were vtterlye
vanquished and subdued , subdued, so as noe enimye was able to vanquished and subdued, subdued , so as noe enimye was able to
hould vpp head against his powre , powre, in w hi ch wch there ~~ –- hould vpp head against his powre, powre , in wch w hi ch there –- ~~
weakones weakenes he brought in his lawes , lawes, and settled them weakenes weakones he brought in his lawes, lawes , and settled them
as nowe they there remaine lyke as will ia willia m the as nowe they there remaine lyke as willia will ia m the
Conqueror did , did, so as in this thus much they agree but Conqueror did, did , so as in thus this much they agree but
in the rest that is in the chefest they varie : ffor varie: For in the rest that is in the chefest they varie: For varie : ffor
to whom did kinge Henrie the seconde impose those to whom did kinge Henrie the seconde impose those
lawes, not to the Irishe for the most p ar te of them lawes, not to the Irishe for the most p ar te of them
fledd from his powre into deserte , desertes, and Mountaines fledd from his powre into desertes, deserte , and Mountaines
leavinge levinge the wyde Countrie to the Conqueror whoe levinge leavinge the wyde Countrie to the Conqueror whoe
in there the i re stead eftsones placed English men who in the i re there stead eftsones placed English men who
possessed all the land and did quite shutt owte the possessed all the land and did quite shutt owte the
Irishe or the most p ar te of them . them: And to those new newe Irishe or the most p ar te of them: them . And to those newe new
inhabytantes and Colonies he gaue his lawes , lawes, to inhabytantes and Colonies he gaue his lawes, lawes , to
wete the same lawes vnder w hi ch wch they were borne wete the same lawes vnder wch w hi ch they were borne
and bred , bred, the w hi ch wch yt was not deffyculte to place and bred, bred , the wch w hi ch yt was not deffyculte to place
amongst them , them, beinge form er lye well entred therevnto; vnto whom afterwardes there repared dyverse of the amongst them, them , beinge form er lye well entred therevnto; vnto whom afterwardes there repared dyverse of the
vnto whom afterwarde there repared dyverse of the vnto whom afterwarde there repared dyverse of the
poore distressed people of the Irish for succor and poore distressed people of the Irish for succor and
releis , releif, of whom such as they thought fitt for labor releif, releis , of whom such as they thought fitt for labor
and industriously and industriously
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and industriouslye disposed as the most moste p ar te of theire baser sorte are and industriouslye disposed as the moste most p ar te of theire baser sorte are
they receyved vnto them as theire vassalles , vassalls, but scarslye vout they receyved vnto them as theire vassalls, vassalles , but scarslye vout
safed to imp ar te vnto them the benyfite of those lawes , lawes, vnder safed to imp ar te vnto them the benyfite of those lawes, lawes , vnder
w hi ch wch them selues lyved , lyved, but eu er ie one made his will a comannd comaund wch w hi ch them selues lyved, lyved , but eu er ie one made his will a comaund comannd
m en t and a lawe vnto his owne vassal , vassall, Thus was not the m en t and a lawe vnto his owne vassall, vassal , Thus was not the
lawe of England eu er properlye applyed vnto the Irishe naco nac i o n lawe of England eu er properlye applyed vnto the Irishe nac i o naco n
as by a purposed plott of gou er ern m en t but as they could insynuate as by a purposed plott of gou ern er m en t but as they could insynuate
and steale them selues . vnder the same by theire humble and steale them selues . vnder the same by theire humble
carriaige and submission :. submission:: carriaige and submission:: submission :.
Eudox: Eudox : How comes yt it then to passe that havinge bene once so lowe Eudox : Eudox: How comes it yt then to passe that havinge bene once so lowe
brought and thorowlye subiected , subiected, they afterwardes lifted brought and thorowlye subiected, subiected , they afterwardes lifted
them selues so stronglie vpp againe , againe, and sythence doe stand them selues so stronglie vpp againe, againe , and sythence doe stand
stiflye against all rules rule and gou er ern m en t stiflye against all rule rules and gou ern er m en t
Iren: Iren : They saye that they contynewed in that lowlynesse Iren : Iren: They saye that they contynewed in that lowlynesse
vntill the tyme that the division betwene the howses vntill the tyme that the division betwene the howses
of Lancaster and Yorke arose for the Crowne of England : England: of Lancaster and Yorke arose for the Crowne of England: England :
of w hi ch at wch tyme all the great Englishe Lordes Lordes, and gent w hi ch lemen wch had at wch of w hi ch tyme all the great Englishe Lordes, Lordes and gent lemen wch w hi ch had
greate possessions in Ireland repayred over hither into greate possessions in Ireland repayred over hither into
England to succor theire freindes here , here, and to strengthen England to succor theire freindes here, here , and to strengthen
theire p ar tie for to obtaine the Crowne , Crowne, others to defende theire p ar tie for to obtaine the Crowne, Crowne , others to defende
theire landes and possessions against such as hovered for? after for aft er theire landes and possessions against such as hovered for aft er for? after
the same vpon hope of the alteracon of the kingdome and the same vpon hope of the alteracon of the kingdome and
successe of that syde , w hi ch syde, wch they favored and effected , then effected, Then successe of that syde, wch syde , w hi ch they favored and effected, Then effected , then
the Irishe whom they before had bannished into the the Irishe whom they before had bannished into the
mountaines where they lyved onelye vpon white meates mountaines where they lyved onelye vpon white meates
as yt is recorded recorded: seinge now theire so dispeopled and ~~ –- as yt is recorded: recorded seinge now theire so dispeopled and –- ~~
weakned , weakned, came downe into all the plaines adioyninge , adioyninge, weakned, weakned , came downe into all the plaines adioyninge, adioyninge ,
and thence expellinge those fewe Englishe that ~ and thence expellinge those fewe Englishe that ~
remayned , remayned, repossessed them againe , againe, since w hi ch wch tyme remayned, remayned , repossessed them againe, againe , since wch w hi ch tyme
they haue remayned in them and growinge greater they haue remayned in them and growinge greater
have brought vnder them manye of the English , w hi ch English, wch have brought vnder them manye of the English, wch English , w hi ch
were before theire Lordes . Lordes. This is one of the occasions were before theire Lordes. Lordes . This is one of the occasions
by w hi ch wch all those Countries w hi ch wch lyinge nea ne a re vnto any by wch w hi ch all those Countries wch w hi ch lyinge ne a nea re vnto any
mountaines or Irishe deserts , w hi ch desertes, wch had bene planted w i th wth mountaines or Irishe desertes, wch deserts , w hi ch had bene planted wth w i th
Englishe , Englishe, were shortly displanted and lost : lost: as ~~ –- Englishe, Englishe , were shortly displanted and lost: lost : as –- ~~
namelie namelie
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namelye in Mounster mounster all the landes adioyninge vnto Slewlougher namelye in mounster Mounster all the landes adioyninge vnto Slewlougher
Arlo , Arlo, and the bogge of Allon . Allon. In Connaght all the Countries Arlo, Arlo , and the bogge of Allon. Allon . In Connaght all the Countries
bordringe vpon the Culvers Culvers: Moneroo and Orourkes Countrie Countrie: bordringe vpon the Culvers: Culvers Moneroo and Orourkes Countrie: Countrie
In Leinster all the landes neighbouringe vnto the Mountaines In Leinster all the landes neighbouringe vnto the Mountaines
of Glanmallo vnto Shellelagh vnto the Brisklagh and of Glanmallo vnto Shellelagh vnto the Brisklagh and
Poulmonte : Poulmonte: In Vlster all the Countries nere vnto Tirconel Poulmonte: Poulmonte : In Vlster all the Countries nere vnto Tirconel
Tyrowne and ffertellagh Fertellagh and the Skottes : . Skottes:: Tyrowne and Fertellagh ffertellagh and the Skottes:: Skottes : .
Eudox: Surelie this was a greate violence : but yet by yo ur ~~ Eudox: Surelie this was a greate violence : but yet by yo ur ~~
speach it semeth that onelye the Countrye and Valley speach it semeth that onelye the Countrye and Valley
nere adioyninge vnto those mountaines and deserte desertes were nere adioyninge vnto those mountaines and desertes deserte were
thus recou er ed by the Irishe . Irishe. but how howe comes yt now nowe that thus recou er ed by the Irishe. Irishe . but howe how comes yt nowe now that
wee see almost all that realme repossessed of them them. wee see almost all that realme repossessed of them. them
was there anye more such evill euill occasions growinge was there anye more such euill evill occasions growinge
by the troubles of England , England, or did the Irishe out of by the troubles of England, England , or did the Irishe out of
these places so by them gotten breake further further, and these places so by them gotten breake further, further and
streche their them selues farther out through the whole streche them their selues farther out through the whole
lande . lande: But now no w for ought that I can vnderstand , vnderstand, there lande: lande . But no w now for ought that I can vnderstand, vnderstand , there
is noe p ar te but the bare Englishe pale , pale, in w hi ch the wch the is noe p ar te but the bare Englishe pale, pale , in wch the w hi ch the
Irishe haue not greatest footinge : footinge: Irishe haue not greatest footinge: footinge :
Iren: Iren : Both out of these small begynninges by them Iren : Iren: Both out of these small begynninges by them
gotten nere the mountaines did they spreed them gotten nere the mountaines did they spreed them
selues into the Inland Countrye Countrye, and also to theire selues into the Inland Countrye, Countrye and also to theire
further advantage , advantage, there did other like vnhappie - - further advantage, advantage , there did other like vnhappie - -
accidentes happen out of England , w hi ch England, wch gaue harte accidentes happen out of England, wch England , w hi ch gaue harte
and good oportunytie to them to regaine theire ould and good oportunytie to them to regaine theire ould
possessions ffor possessions: For in the raigne of kinge Edward the possessions: For possessions ffor in the raigne of kinge Edward the
iiijth iiij th thinges remayned yet in the same state that they iiij th iiijth thinges remayned yet in the same state that they
were were, after the late breakinge out of the Irishe w hi ch wch were, were after the late breakinge out of the Irishe wch w hi ch
I spake of : of: And that noble prince Prince began to caste I spake of: of : And that noble Prince prince began to caste
an eye vnto Ireland and to mynde the reformac i on an eye vnto Ireland and to mynde the reformac i on
of thinges there rune amisse : amisse: for he sente over his bro of thinges there rune amisse: amisse : for he sente over his bro
ther the Worthie duke worthie Duke of Clarence , Clarence, who havinge ther the worthie Duke Worthie duke of Clarence, Clarence , who havinge
married the heire of Lacie , Lacie, and by her havinge married the heire of Lacie, Lacie , and by her havinge
all the Earledome of Vlster and much in Meathe all the Earledome of Vlster and much in Meathe
and in : in: and in: in :
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20 and in mounster, verie carefullye wente aboute the redressing and in mounster, verie carefullye wente aboute the redressing 20
of those late evills, and in Mounster , verie carefullye went aboute though he could not beate out the redressing Irish and though he could not beate out in Mounster , verie carefullye went aboute the Irish redressing
againe, by reason of those late evills , and though his shorte contynewance, yett he could not beate out the Irish did shutt of his shorte contynewance, yett those late evills , and though he did shutt could not beate out the Irish
againe, by reason of his shorte contynewance , yett he did shutt ~ them vpp wthin those narrow corners and glennes vnder the them vpp wthin those narrow corners and glennes vnder the againe, by reason of his shorte contynewance , yett he did shutt ~
them vpp w i th mountaine foote, in those narrow corners and glenns vnder the wch by buildinge stronge holdes vpon mountaine foote, them vpp w i th in wch by buildinge stronge holdes vpon those narrow corners and glenns vnder the
mountains foote , in w hi ch by buildinge stronge holdes vpon everie border, and fortefyinge all passages (Amongst the everie border, and fortefyinge all passages (Amongst the mountains foote , in w hi ch by buildinge stronge holdes vpon
everie border , and fortefyinge all passages (Amongst wch he builte the Castle of Clare in Thomond : of wch wch he builte everie border , and fortefyinge all passages (Amongst the Castle of Clare in Thomond : of wch
w hi ch countrie he builte had the Castle of Clare in Thomond: of w hi ch Inheritance, and of Mortymers landes countrie w hi ch he had builte the Inheritance, and of Mortymers landes Castle of Clare in Thomond: of w hi ch
countrie he had adioyninge, wch is now by the Inheritance , and of Mortymers landes Irish called Killalowe) they adioyninge, wch is now by countrie he had the Irish called Killalowe) they Inheritance , and of Mortymers landes
adioyninge , w hi ch is now by lu r ked, and kepte from breakinge any further: But the Irish called killalowe ) they lu r ked, and kepte from breakinge any further: But adioyninge , w hi ch is now by the Irish called killalowe ) they
lur ked , and kepte from breakinge any further . But the tymes of that good Kinge growinge troublesome, did lett tymes of that good Kinge growinge troublesome, did lett lur ked , and kepte from breakinge any further . But the
tymes the thorowe reformac i on of that good Kinge growinge troublesome , did lett all thinges. And therevnto soone the thorowe reformac i on tymes of all thinges. And therevnto soone that good Kinge growinge troublesome , did lett
the thorowe reformacon of all thinges . And therevnto soone after was added another fatall mischeif, wch wrought after was added another fatall mischeif, wch wrought the thorowe reformacon of all thinges . And therevnto soone
after was added another fatall mischeif , w hi ch wrought agreater callamitye then all the form er : For the said Duke agreater callamitye then all the form er : For the said Duke after was added another fatall mischeif , w hi ch wrought
a greater callamitye of Clarence then all the form er . ffor the said Duke Lord Lievetenn an t of Ireland was by prac of Clarence a greater callamitye then Lord Lievetenn an t of Ireland was by prac all the form er . ffor the said Duke
of Clarence then lord Lievten a nt of Ireland was by prac tize of evill p er sons aboute the kinge his brother called there tize of evill p er sons aboute the kinge his brother called there of Clarence then lord Lievten a nt of Ireland was by prac
tize of evill p er sons aboute the king his brother called thence awaye, and soone after by synister meanes was cleane awaye, and soone after by synister meanes was cleane tize of evill p er sons aboute the king his brother called thence
awaye , and soone made awaye, Presentlye after by synister meanes was cleane whose death all the made awaye, Presentlye awaye , and soone after whose death all the by synister meanes was cleane
made awaye , Presentlye after whose death all the ~ northe revoltinge did sett vpp, Oneale for theire Capteine, northe revoltinge did sett vpp, Oneale for theire Capteine, made awaye , Presentlye after whose death all the ~
northe revolting did sett vpp Oneale for theire Capteine , beinge before that of small power and regard, and there beinge before that of small power and regard, and there northe revolting did sett vpp Oneale for theire Capteine ,
beinge before that of small power and regard , and there beinge before that of small power and regard , and there
arose in that p ar te of Thomonde one of the Obriens called arose in that p ar te of Thomonde one of the Obriens called
Murrogh en ranagh , ranagh, That is Morris of the farme or waste Murrogh en ranagh, ranagh , That is Morris of the farme or waste
wyld places , wylde places, who gatheringe vnto him all the rebuke relickes of wylde places, wyld places , who gatheringe vnto him all the relickes rebuke of
the discontented Irishe eftsones eftesones surprized the said Castle the discontented Irishe eftesones eftsones surprized the said Castle
of Clare Clare, burnte and spoyled all the Englishe there dwelling dwellinge of Clare, Clare burnte and spoyled all the Englishe there dwellinge dwelling
and in shorte space there possessed all the Countrie beyond and in shorte space there possessed all the Countrie beyond
the Ryver of Shenan and nere adioyninge , whence ~ adioyninge, wheree the Ryver of Shenan and nere adioyninge, wheree adioyninge , whence ~
shortelye breakinge forth lyke a suddaine tempest he overran shortelye breakinge forth lyke a suddaine tempest he overran
all Mounster , all Mounster, and Connaught Connaught, breakinge downe all the all Mounster, all Mounster , and Connaught, Connaught breakinge downe all the
holdes and fortresses of the Englishe defacinge and vtterlie holdes and fortresses of the Englishe defacinge and vtterlie
subvertinge all corporate townes that were not stronglie subvertinge all corporate townes that were not stronglie
walled . ffor walled: For those he had not noe meanes nor engynes to walled: For walled . ffor those he had noe not meanes nor engynes to
overthrowe , overthrowe, neyther in deed would he staye at all about overthrowe, overthrowe , neyther in deed would he staye at all about
them , them, but spedelie run forward forward, cuttinge countinge his them, them , but spedelie run forward, forward cuttinge countinge his
suddennesse his most vantaige . vantaige, that he might overtake suddennesse his most vantaige, vantaige . that he might overtake
the English : English: the English: English :
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before theye could fortefie or gather or gather them selues togeathr togeath er . before theye could fortefie or gather or gather them selues togeath er . togeathr
So in shorte tyme he cleane wyped out manye greate So in shorte tyme he cleane wyped out manye greate
townes townes, as first in Shegum , Shegum, the Killalowe Killalowe, before called townes, townes as first in Shegum, Shegum , the Killalowe, Killalowe before called
clarryfort t , afterwardes clarryfort, afterwardes, Thurles Mounee Mou OB e Mourne Buttevan Buttevant: clarryfort, afterwardes, clarryfort t , afterwardes Thurles Mou OB e Mounee Mourne Buttevant: Buttevan
and manye others and manye others
whose names I cannot remember , remember, and of some of w hi ch wch there whose names I cannot remember, remember , and of some of wch w hi ch there
is now noe memorie nor signe remayninge remayninge, vpon report is now noe memorie nor signe remayninge, remayninge vpon report
where of whereof there flocked vnto him all the scum scume of the Irishe whereof where of there flocked vnto him all the scume scum of the Irishe
out of all places , places, that ere longe he had a mightie armye amightie armye, out of all places, places , that ere longe he had amightie armye, a mightie armye
and thence m ar ched forth onto Lymster , where he wrought ~ and thence m ar ched forth onto Lymster , where he wrought ~
great outrages , outrages, waistinge and spoylinge all the Countrie ~ great outrages, outrages , waistinge and spoylinge all the Countrie ~
where he wente ffor wente: For yt was his pollicie to leaue noe where he wente: For wente ffor yt was his pollicie to leaue noe
houldes behinde him , him, but to make all plaine and waste waist, houldes behinde him, him , but to make all plaine and waist, waste
In the w hi ch wch he soone after created him self kinge , kinge, and In the wch w hi ch he soone after created him self kinge, kinge , and
was called Kinge of all Ireland , w hi ch Ireland, wch before him I was called Kinge of all Ireland, wch Ireland , w hi ch before him I
doe not reade that any did so gen er allie but onelie Edward doe not reade that any did so gen er allie but onelie Edward
lee Bruce . Lee Bruce.: Lee Bruce.: lee Bruce .
Eudox: Eudox : what was there ever any gen er all kinge of all –- Eudox : Eudox: what was there ever any gen er all kinge of all –-
Ireland Ireland, I never heard yt before before, but that yt was alwaies Ireland, Ireland I never heard yt before, before but that yt was alwaies
whilst whilso yt was vnder the Irishe deuided into fower and whilso whilst yt was vnder the Irishe deuided into fower and
sometymes into fyve kingdomes or dominions . dominions,. But this sometymes into fyve kingdomes or dominions,. dominions . But this
Edward lee Bruce what was he that he was could make Edward lee Bruce what was he that he was could make
him self kinge of all Ireland him self kinge of all Ireland
Iren: Iren : I would tell yow yow, yf incase in case yow would not challenge me mee for Iren : Iren: I would tell yow, yow yf in case incase yow would not challenge mee me for
forgettinge the matter w hi ch wch I had in hand , hand, that is the inconve forgettinge the matter wch w hi ch I had in hand, hand , that is the inconve
nience and vnfitnes w hi ch wch I supposed to be in the lawes of nience and vnfitnes wch w hi ch I supposed to be in the lawes of
the land : . land:: the land:: land : .
Eudox: Eudox : Noe surelye surelie I haue noe t cause no e OB cause, for neyther is this imp er tynent Eudox : Eudox: Noe surelie surelye I haue no e OB cause, noe t cause for neyther is this imp er tynent
therevnto , therevnto, for sythence you yow did sett yo u r yor course (as I rem em ber remeb er ) therevnto, therevnto , for sythence yow you did sett yor yo u r course (as I remeb er ) rem em ber
in yo u r yor first p ar te to treat of the evills w hi ch wch hindereth in yor yo u r first p ar te to treat of the evills wch w hi ch hindereth
the peace and good ordringe of that land land, amongst the peace and good ordringe of that land, land amongst
w hi ch wch that of the inconvenience of the lawes was the wch w hi ch that of the inconvenience of the lawes was the
first w hi ch wch yee had in hand , hand, this discourse of the overrunning first wch w hi ch yee had in hand, hand , this discourse of the overrunning
and wasting waisting of the realme , realme, is verie materiall there and waisting wasting of the realme, realme , is verie materiall there
vnto , vnto, for that yt was the begynning of other evills vnto, vnto , for that yt was the begynning of other evills
w hi ch wch sythence wch w hi ch sythence
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w hi ch wythence wch sythence haue afflicted that lande , lande, and opened a waye vnto wch sythence w hi ch wythence haue afflicted that lande, lande , and opened a waye vnto
the Irishe to recou er theire possession , possession, and to beate out the the Irishe to recou er theire possession, possession , and to beate out the
Englishe w hi ch wch had form er lie wonne the same , same, and besides yt will Englishe wch w hi ch had form er lie wonne the same, same , and besides yt will
giue a great light both vnto yo u r yor seconde and thirde p ar te , w hi ch tes, wch giue a great light both vnto yor yo u r seconde and thirde p ar tes, wch te , w hi ch
is the redressinge of those evills , evills, and plantinge of some is the redressinge of those evills, evills , and plantinge of some
good forme of pollycie therein by renewinge the remembre remembra good forme of pollycie therein by renewinge the remembra remembre
nce of those occasions and accydents accydentes by w hi ch wch those ruins ~ nce of those occasions and accydentes accydents by wch w hi ch those ruins ~
happened , happened, and layinge before vs thensamples of those tymes happened, happened , and layinge before vs thensamples of those tymes
to be compared w i th ours , wth ours, and to be rewarded by those, w hi ch wch to be compared wth ours, w i th ours , and to be rewarded by those, wch w hi ch
shall haue to doe in the like . like, Therefore I praye yow tell shall haue to doe in the like, like . Therefore I praye yow tell
them vnto vs , vs, and as for the pointe where yow lefte I will them vnto vs, vs , and as for the pointe where yow lefte I will
not forgett afterwards afterwardes to call you back againe therevnto :: backagaine there vnto:: not forgett afterwardes afterwards to call you backagaine there vnto:: back againe therevnto ::
Iren: Iren : This Edward lee Lee Bruce was the Brother of R OB Rob er t Iren : Iren: This Edward Lee lee Bruce was the Brother of OB R Rob er t
lee Bruce, Lee Bruce , who was kinge of Scotland Scotland, at such tyme Lee Bruce lee Bruce, who was kinge of Scotland, Scotland , at such tyme
as kinge Kinge Edward the seconde raigned here in Englande as Kinge kinge Edward the seconde raigned here in Englande
and bare a most malicious and spitefull mynde against and bare a most malicious and spitefull mynde against
kinge Edward , Kinge Edward, doinge him all the scathe hee could and Kinge Edward, kinge Edward , doinge him all the scathe hee could and
annoyinge his territories o of England whilst he was troabled troubled annoyinge his territories o of England whilst he was troubled troabled
w i th wth Civill warrs of his Barrons at home home: He also to wth w i th Civill warrs of his Barrons at home: home He also to
worke him the more villanye mischief , villainye mischeif, sente over his said worke him the more villainye mischeif, villanye mischief , sente over his said
brother Edward w i th wth a power of Skotte s , Skottes, and Redshanke s Redshankes brother Edward wth w i th a power of Skottes, Skotte s , and Redshankes Redshanke s
into Ireland , Ireland, whereby meanes of the lacies Lacies and of the into Ireland, Ireland , whereby meanes of the Lacies lacies and of the
Irishe w i th wth whom they Combyned , Combyned, they gott footinge , footinge, and Irishe wth w i th whom they Combyned, Combyned , they gott footinge, footinge , and
gathringe vnto him them all the scatterlins of outlawes oute gathringe vnto them him all the scatterlins of outlawes oute
of all the woode woodes and mountaines in w hi ch wch they longe had of all the woodes woode and mountaines in wch w hi ch they longe had
lurked , lurked, marched forth vnto into the English pale , w hi ch Englishe pale, wch then lurked, lurked , marched forth into vnto the Englishe pale, wch English pale , w hi ch then
was cheiflie in the North North, from the pointe of dunluce Dunluce and was cheiflie in the North, North from the pointe of Dunluce dunluce and
beyonde vnto dubline , Dubline, havinge in the middest myddest of her beyonde vnto Dubline, dubline , havinge in the myddest middest of her
knockfergus Knockfergus Belfast Armagh Carlmgeford w hi ch A rmagh Carlingeford , wch are Knockfergus knockfergus Belfast A rmagh Carlingeford , wch Armagh Carlmgeford w hi ch are
now the most out bounde boundes and abandoned places in the English Englishe now the most out boundes bounde and abandoned places in the Englishe English
pale , pale, and and some noe p ar te thereof at all . ffor all: For yt stret pale, pale , and and some noe p ar te thereof at all: For all . ffor yt stret
cheth now noe further then dundalke DunDalke towardes the North Northe cheth now noe further then DunDalke dundalke towardes the Northe North
there the they said Edward lee Bruce spoyled and burnte all there they the said Edward lee Bruce spoyled and burnte all
the ould Englishe pale puttinge to the swoord all the ould Englishe pale puttinge to the swoord all
the Englishe Inhabytantes Inhabytantes, and sacked and raced all the Englishe Inhabytantes, Inhabytantes and sacked and raced all
Cytties and corporate Corporate townes noe lesse noe lesse Cytties and Corporate corporate townes noe lesse noe lesse
then Murro Murro: then Murro: Murro
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then Murro en Rana Ran a gh of whom I earst tould yow : ffor yow: For hee then Murro en Ran a Rana gh of whom I earst tould yow: For yow : ffor hee
wasted Belfast Greencastle Kells Beltalbot Castletowne . OB Newtowne wasted Belfast Greencastle Kells Beltalbot Castletowne OB . Newtowne
and manie other verie good townes and strongehoulde s stronge houldes and manie other verie good townes and stronge houldes strongehoulde s
he rooted out the noble families of the Andleyes , the Andleyes, the he rooted out the noble families of the Andleyes, the Andleyes , the
Talbote the Tutchites , the Chamberlaines , Talbotes the Tutchites, the Chamberlaines, the Mande Talbotes the Tutchites, the Chamberlaines, Talbote the Tutchites , the Chamberlaines , the Mande
vils , vils, and the Salvages , Salvages, though of the Lord Salvage vils, vils , and the Salvages, Salvages , though of the Lord Salvage
there remaine yet on heire an heire, that is nowe verie averie there remaine yet an heire, on heire that is nowe averie verie
poore gentleman , gentleman, dwellinge at the Ardes . Ardes: And coming com m inge poore gentleman, gentleman , dwellinge at the Ardes: Ardes . And com m inge coming
lastlie to dundalke , Dundalke, he theire made him self kinge . . Kinge lastlie to Dundalke, dundalke , he theire made him self Kinge kinge . .
and raigned by the space of one whole yeare by the yeare, by the and raigned by the space of one whole yeare, by the yeare by the
name of Edward kinge of of Ireland , vntil Kinge of of Ireland, vntill that name of Edward Kinge of of Ireland, vntill kinge of of Ireland , vntil that
kinge Kinge Edward of England havinge sett some quiet in Kinge kinge Edward of England havinge sett some quiet in
his affaires at home , home, sente over the Lo john Lo: John Bremingha m his affaires at home, home , sente over the Lo: John Lo john Bremingha m
to be gen er all of the warr war r es against him , him, who encountri encountry to be gen er all of the war r warr es against him, him , who encountry encountri
nge him nere to dundalke overthrowe Dundalke overthrewe his Armye nge him nere to Dundalke overthrewe dundalke overthrowe his Armye
and slewe hem self him self, and p re sentlye followed the victorie and slewe him self, hem self and p re sentlye followed the victorie
so hotelie vpon his Scots , Scotes, that he suffred them so hotelie vpon his Scotes, Scots , that he suffred them
not to staye or gather them selues to geather ~ ~ - not to staye or gather them selues to geather - ~ ~
againe againe, vntill they came to the sea coast , coast; not w i th standing wthstanding againe, againe vntill they came to the sea coast; coast , not wthstanding w i th standing
all the waye as they fledd , fledd, for verye rancor and –- all the waye as they fledd, fledd , for verye rancor and –-
dispight dispight, then vtterlye wasted waisted and consumed what dispight, dispight then vtterlye waisted wasted and consumed what
soever they had before left vnspoyled , vnspoyled, so that of all soever they had before left vnspoyled, vnspoyled , so that of all
townes , and Castles , ffortes and bridges , townes, and Castles, Fortes and bridges, and habytacons townes, and Castles, Fortes and bridges, townes , and Castles , ffortes and bridges , and habytacons
he lefte not anye sticke standinge nor anye people he lefte not anye sticke standinge nor anye people
remayninge remayninge: for those few w hi ch fewe, wch yet survived fledd fled fro m remayninge: remayninge for those fewe, wch few w hi ch yet survived fled fledd fro m
his furie where further into the Englishe pale his furie where further into the Englishe pale
that now is . is, Thus was all that goodlie Countrie that now is, is . Thus was all that goodlie Countrie
vtterlie wasted waisted and lefte desolate ^ desolate, and as yett remayneth vtterlie waisted wasted and lefte desolate, desolate ^ and as yett remayneth
to this daye w hi ch wch before had bene the cheif ornamente to this daye wch w hi ch before had bene the cheif ornamente
and bewtie of Ireland ffor Ireland: For that p ar te of the North sometime and bewtie of Ireland: For Ireland ffor that p ar te of the North sometime
was as populus and plentifull as any p ar te in England was as populus and plentifull as any p ar te in England
and yeilded vnto the kinges Kinges of England as yett appereth and yeilded vnto the Kinges kinges of England as yett appereth
by good recordes , recordes) thirtie thowsand m ar kes of ould monye by by good recordes) recordes , thirtie thowsand m ar kes of ould monye by
the yeare , yeare, besyde manye thowsand of able men to : the yeare, yeare , besyde manye thowsand of able men to :
serue them in theire warrs , warrs, sure yt is yet a most bewti serue them in theire warrs, warrs , sure yt is yet a most bewti
full and sweete Countrie as any is vnder the heaven full and sweete Countrie as any is vnder the heaven
seamed seamed
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12 seamed throughout wth manie goodlie ryvers replenished wth seamed throughout wth manie goodlie ryvers replenished wth 12
seamed throughout w hi ch manie goodlie ryvers replenished w i th all sortes of fishe most aboundantlie: sprinckled wth verie all sortes of fishe most aboundantlie: sprinckled wth verie seamed throughout w hi ch manie goodlie ryvers replenished w i th
all sortes of fishe most aboundantlie : sprinckled w i th verie manie sweete Ilandes and goodlie lakes lyke little inland seas, manie sweete Ilandes and goodlie lakes lyke little inland seas, all sortes of fishe most aboundantlie : sprinckled w i th verie
manie sweete Ilandes and goodlie lakes lyke ^ little inland seas, that will carrie even shipps vpon theire waters, --- that will carrie even shipps vpon theire waters, --- manie sweete Ilandes and goodlie lakes lyke ^ little inland seas,
that will carrie even shipps vpon theire waters , a ~ ~ adorned wth goodlie woodes fitt for buildinge of howses and adorned wth goodlie woodes fitt for buildinge of howses and that will carrie even shipps vpon theire waters , a ~ ~
adorned w i th goodlie woodes fitt for buildinge of howses and adorned w i th goodlie woodes fitt for buildinge of howses and
shipps so comodiouslie , as that if some princes in the ~~ worlde hadd them, they would soone hope to be Lordes worlde hadd them, they would soone hope to be Lordes shipps so comodiouslie , as that if some princes in the ~~
worlde hadd them , they would soone hope to be lordes of all the seas, and ere longe of all the worlde, Also of all the seas, and ere longe of all the worlde, Also worlde hadd them , they would soone hope to be lordes
of all the seas , full of verie goode portes and ere longe of all the worlde , Also havens openinge vpon full of verie goode portes of all the seas , and havens openinge vpon ere longe of all the worlde , Also
full of verie goode portes and havens openinge vpon ~ England, Scotland, as invitinge vs to come vnto –- England, Scotland, as invitinge vs to come vnto –- full of verie goode portes and havens openinge vpon ~
England , Scotland , as invitinge vs them, to come vnto ~~ see what excellent com m odities that Countrie can them, England , Scotland , as invitinge vs to see what excellent com m odities that Countrie can come vnto ~~
them , to see what excellent comodities that Countrie can affoord, besydes the soyle yt self verie most fertile, affoord, besydes the soyle yt self verie most fertile, them , to see what excellent comodities that Countrie can
affoord , besydes the soyle yt self verie most fertile ; fitt to yeild all kynde of fruite, that shalbe com m itted fitt to yeild all kynde of fruite, that shalbe com m itted affoord , besydes the soyle yt self verie most fertile ;
fitt to yield all kynde of fruite , that shalbe comitted thereinto, and lastlie the h e avens most mylde and thereinto, and lastlie the h e avens most mylde and fitt to yield all kynde of fruite , that shalbe comitted
there into , and lastlie temp er ate, though some what more moyst, then the havens most mylde and temp er ate, though some what more moyst, then there into , and lastlie the havens most mylde and
temp er ate , though some what more moyst , then p ar tes towardes the west:-:-: p ar tes towardes temp er ate , though some what more moyst , then the west:-:-:
p ar tes towardes Eudox : Trulie Irenius : what wth yor prayses of the west : ~ Eudox : Trulie Irenius : what wth yor prayses of p ar tes towardes the west : ~
Eudox: Trulie Irenius Countrie, and what w i th yo u r prayses of wth the ~ lamentable dissolacon Countrie, and Eudox: Trulie Irenius what wth w i th yo u r prayses of the lamentable dissolacon ~
Countrie , and what w i th the lamentable dissolacon thereof, made by those ragtailes in Scotland, yow haue thereof, made by those ragtailes in Scotland, yow haue Countrie , and what w i th the lamentable dissolacon
thereof , made by those ragtailes in Scotland , yow haue fylled me wth agreat compassion of theire Calamities, fylled me wth agreat compassion of theire Calamities, thereof , made by those ragtailes in Scotland , yow haue
fylled me w i th a great compassion of theire Calamities fylled me w i th a great compassion of theire Calamities
that I doe much pittie that sweet lande to be subiecte that I doe much pittie that sweet lande to be subiecte
to so manie evills , evills, as everie daye I see more and to so manie evills, evills , as everie daye I see more and
more throwne vpon her , her, and doe half begine to thincke more throwne vpon her, her , and doe half begine to thincke
that it is as (as yee said at the begynninge , begynninge) her fatall that it is (as as yee said at the begynninge) begynninge , her fatall
misfortune aboue all Countries , Countries, that I knowe to bee misfortune aboue all Countries, Countries , that I knowe to bee
thus misserablie tossed and turmoyled w i th wth these varia thus misserablie tossed and turmoyled wth w i th these varia
ble stormes of afflictions . afflictions; But since wee are thus ble stormes of afflictions; afflictions . But since wee are thus
farr entred into the consideracon of her mishapps , mishapps, tell farr entred into the consideracon of her mishapps, mishapps , tell
mee haue their theire bene any more such tempests, tempestes, as mee haue theire their bene any more such tempestes, tempests, as
yee terme them , them, wherein shee hath thus wretchedlie yee terme them, them , wherein shee hath thus wretchedlie
bene wracked : wracked:: -- bene wracked:: -- wracked :
Iren: Iren : Varie manie moe god wote god wote haue there Iren : Iren: Varie manie moe god wote god wote haue there
bene , bene, in w hi ch wch her principall p ar tes haue bene torne a bene, bene , in wch w hi ch her principall p ar tes haue bene torne a
sounder , sounder, but none that I can remember , remember, so vniu er sall sounder, sounder , but none that I can remember, remember , so vniu er sall
as these as these
12v as these, and yett the rebellion of Thomas fitz Garrett did Folio 12v as these, and yett the rebellion of Thomas fitz Garrett did
as these , and yett the rebellion of Thomas fitz Garrett did as these , and yett the rebellion of Thomas fitz Garrett did
willinglie stretch yt self into all p ar tes of Ireland. But that wch was in the tyme of the gou ern m en t of the Lord But that wch was in the tyme of the gou ern m en t of the Lord willinglie stretch yt self into all p ar tes of Ireland.
But that w hi ch Graye, was in the tyme of the gou surelye noe lesse gen er m en t of the lord all then all these Graye, But that w hi ch was surelye noe lesse gen in the tyme of the gou er all then all these m en t of the lord
Graye , for theire was surely noe lesse gen er all then all these p ar te free from y e contagion, but all conspi for theire Graye , was surely noe p ar te free from y e contagion, but all conspi lesse gen er all then all these
for theire was noe p ar te free from ye contagion , but all conspi for theire was noe p ar te free from ye contagion , but all conspi
red in one to cast of theire subiection to the Crowne of red in one to cast of theire subiection to the Crowne of
England, Never the lesse ^ Neverthelesse through the most wise and valyante handling handli n g England, Neverthelesse Never the lesse ^ through the most wise and valyante handli n g handling
of that right noble lord , Lord, yt gott not that head , w hi ch head, wch of that right noble Lord, lord , yt gott not that head, wch head , w hi ch
the form er evills found , found, for in them the realme was lefte the form er evills found, found , for in them the realme was lefte
lyke a shippe in a storme amiddst all the raginge surge surges, lyke a shippe in a storme amiddst all the raginge surges, surge
vnruled and undyrected vndyrected of any . ffor they any: For theye to whom whome vnruled and vndyrected undyrected of any: For theye any . ffor they to whome whom
she was com m itted , itted, eyther fainted in theire labor Labor, or she was com m itted, itted , eyther fainted in theire Labor, or labor
for sooke forsooke theire charge , but charge,: But he like a most wyse Pylot forsooke for sooke theire charge,: But charge , but he like a most wyse Pylot
kepte her course carefullie, and helde her Nose stronge stronglie kepte her course carefullie, and helde her Nose stronglie stronge
against those roringe byllowes , byllowes, that he brought her against those roringe byllowes, byllowes , that he brought her
safelie saifelie out of all , all, so as longe after ever even by the saifelie safelie out of all, all , so as longe after even ever by the
space of xij or xiij one yeres tene yeres, shee rode OB roode at peace , peace, space of xij or xiij tene yeres, one yeres shee OB roode rode at peace, peace ,
through his onelie paines and excellent endurance . endurance. through his onelie paines and excellent endurance. endurance .
how eu how.eu er envye list to blatter against him him., But of how.eu how eu er envye list to blatter against him., him But of
this we wee shall haue more occasion to speake at this wee we shall haue more occasion to speake at
another tyme , tyme, yf it please yow lett vs returne again againe another tyme, tyme , yf it please yow lett vs returne againe again
into our first course course: into our first course: course
Eudox: Eudox : Trewlie I am verie glad to here yo u r yor iudgm en t of the Eudox : Eudox: Trewlie I am verie glad to here yor yo u r iudgm en t of the
gou er ern m en t of that honorable man so soundlie ffor soundlie: For I haue gou ern er m en t of that honorable man so soundlie: For soundlie ffor I haue
in deed hard heard yt oftentime maligned , oftentimes maligned, and his doinge doinges in deed heard hard yt oftentimes maligned, oftentime maligned , and his doinges doinge
depraved of some , some, who I p er ceaue did rather of mutinous malicious depraved of some, some , who I p er ceaue did rather of malicious mutinous
mynde or pryvate grevance seeke to detracte , detracte, from the mynde or pryvate grevance seeke to detracte, detracte , from the
honor of his deeds deedes and Counsells , Counsells, then of any Iust honor of his deedes deeds and Counsells, Counsells , then of any Iust
cause , cause, but he was nevertheles in the Iudgm en t tes of all cause, cause , but he was nevertheles in the Iudgm en tes t of all
wyse and good men defendid , and mayntayned , and now defendid, and mayntayned, and n o w wyse and good men defendid, and mayntayned, and n o w defendid , and mayntayned , and now
that he is dead , dead, his immortall fame surviveth and that he is dead, dead , his immortall fame surviveth and
florisheth in the mouthes of all the people , people, that even florisheth in the mouthes of all the people, people , that even
those w hi ch wch did backbyte him , him, are choked w i th wth theire those wch w hi ch did backbyte him, him , are choked wth w i th theire
owne vennom , vennom, and breake theire galls to heare his owne vennom, vennom , and breake theire galls to heare his
so honorable so honorable
13r so honorable reporte: But let him rest in peace and turne wee Folio 13r so honorable reporte: But let him rest in peace and turne wee
13 to our more troublous matters of discourse, of wch I am to our more troublous matters of discourse, of wch I am 13
right sorie y t yow make so honorable reporte : But let him rest in peace shorte an ende and turne woe covet to passe so shorte an ende honorable reporte : But let him rest in peace and covet to passe turne woe
over to our more troublous matters of discourse , of w hi ch I am yor form er purpose, for there bee manye other to yor form er purpose, for there bee manye other our more troublous matters of discourse , of w hi ch I am
right sorie ^ th at yow marke so shorte an ende and covet to passe p ar tes of Irelande wch as I haue heard, haue bene noe p ar tes of Irelande wch as I haue heard, haue bene noe right sorie ^ th at yow marke so shorte an ende and covet to passe
over to yo u r form er purpose , for there bee manye other lesse vexed wth the lyke stormes, then these of wch lesse vexed wth the lyke stormes, then these of wch over to yo u r form er purpose , for there bee manye other
p ar tes yow haue treated, As the Countrye of Irelande w hi ch as I haue heard , haue bene noe ye Byrnes and yow haue treated, As the Countrye p ar tes of ye Byrnes and Irelande w hi ch as I haue heard , haue bene noe
lesse vexed w i th Tooles nere dubline wth the lyke stormes , then these of w hi ch insolente outrages and Tooles nere dubline wth lesse vexed w i th the insolente outrages and lyke stormes , then these of w hi ch
you haue treated, As spoyles of Feagh m c Hugh, the Countrye ye Byrnes and ~ Countries of Carlo, spoyles of Feagh m c Hugh, you haue treated, As the Countries of Carlo, Countrye ye Byrnes and ~
Tooles nere dubline w i th Wexford, and Waterforde, of the insolente outrages Cavenaghes: The Wexford, Tooles nere dubline w i th the Cavenaghes: The insolente outrages and Waterforde, of
Countries of Carlo, Leix, Kilkennye, and Kildare, of the spoyles of ffeagh mc Hugh , the Countries of Leix, Kilkennye, and Kildare, of Carlo,
Wexford, Moores, The Counties of the Cavenaghes: Offalie Meath and Waterforde , Lang Moores, Wexford, and Lang Waterforde , of Offalie Meath the Cavenaghes: The Counties
Countries of Leix , Kilkennye and Kildare, forde, of the Conhours, The Counties of Westmeath forde, Countries of Leix , Kilkennye and Kildare, of the Conhours, The Counties of Westmeath
Moores , The Counties Cavan and Louth, of Offalie Meath and Lang the Orelies, the Kelli e s and Cavan and Louth, Moores , The Counties of the Orelies, the Kelli e s and Offalie Meath and Lang
forde , of manye others, So as the Conhours , The Counties of Westmeath discoursinge of them should manye others, So as forde , of the discoursinge of them should Conhours , The Counties of Westmeath
Cavaran and Louth , besydes the pleasure wch should redound out of the Orelies , the Kellie s and yor besydes the pleasure wch should redound out Cavaran and Louth , of yor the Orelies , the Kellie s and
manye others , So as the discoursinge hystorie, be also verie profytable for matter of them should pollicie: hystorie, be also verie profytable for matter manye others , So as the discoursinge of pollicie: them should
Iren : All these wch yee haue named and manye moe besydes the pleasure w hi ch should redound out of yo u r ~ besydes the pleasure w hi ch should redound out of yo u r ~
hystorie , be also verie profytable for matter of pollicie often tymes haue (I right well knowen) to kyndle often tymes haue (I right well knowen) to kyndle hystorie , be also verie profytable for matter of pollicie
Iren: All these w hi ch yee haue named and manye moe besydes greate fyres of tumultuous troubles, in the Countries greate fyres of tumultuous troubles, in the Countries Iren: All these w hi ch yee haue named and manye moe besydes
oftentymes haue (I right well knowen) bordringe vpon them., All wch to kyndle rehearse should - bordringe vpon them., All wch oftentymes haue (I right well knowen) to rehearse should - kyndle
greate fyres of tumultuous troubles , in rather be to Cronicle tymes, then to search into the Countries rather be to Cronicle tymes, then to search into greate fyres of tumultuous troubles , in the Countries
bordringe vpon them . All w hi ch to rehearse should ~ reformacon of abuses in that realme, and yett verie reformacon of abuses in that realme, and yett verie bordringe vpon them . All w hi ch to rehearse should ~
rather be to Cronicle tymes , then to search into needfull yt wilbe to Consider them, and the evills needfull yt wilbe to Consider them, and rather be to Cronicle tymes , then to search into the evills
reformacon of abuses in wch they haue styrred vpp, that realme , and yett verie some redresse thereof wch they haue styrred vpp, reformacon of abuses in that some redresse thereof realme , and yett verie
and p re vencon for the evills to consider them , come, may thereby the needfull yt wilbe to come, may thereby the consider them , and p re vencon for the evills
w hi ch they rather be devized. But I suppose wee shall haue styrred vpp , that some redresse thereof a rather be devized. But I suppose wee shall w hi ch they haue a styrred vpp , that some redresse thereof
and p re vencon fytter oportunitie for the evills to come , may thereby the same, when wee shall -- fytter oportunitie and p re vencon for the same, when wee shall -- evills to come , may thereby the
rather be devized But I suppose wee shall haue a rather be devized But I suppose wee shall haue a
fytter oportunitie for the same , when wee shall ~~ fytter oportunitie for the same , when wee shall ~~
speake of the p ar ticuler abuses and enormities of that speake of the p ar ticuler abuses and enormities of that
gou er ern m en t w hi ch wch wilbe next after those gen er all defectes and gou ern er m en t wch w hi ch wilbe next after those gen er all defectes and
inconveniences , w hi ch inconveniences, wch I said were in the lawes , lawes, Customes inconveniences, wch inconveniences , w hi ch I said were in the lawes, lawes , Customes
and relidgion . relidgion:- and relidgion:- relidgion .
Eudox: Eudox : Goe to them in Godes name and followe the –- Eudox : Eudox: Goe to them in Godes name and followe the –-
course w hi ch wch yee haue purposed to yo u r self yor self: for yt course wch w hi ch yee haue purposed to yor self: yo u r self for yt
fytteth fytteth
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fytteth best I must confesse w i th wth the purpose of our discourse delcare declare fytteth best I must confesse wth w i th the purpose of our discourse declare delcare
yo u r yor opynion as yee begonn e , bego n ne, about the lawes of the realm realme yor yo u r opynion as yee bego n ne, begonn e , about the lawes of the realme realm
what incomodytus . incomodytie yee haue conceyved to be in them , ~ them, - what incomodytie incomodytus . yee haue conceyved to be in them, - them , ~
Cheiflye in the Com m on lawe w hi ch wch I would haue thought Cheiflye in the Com m on lawe wch w hi ch I would haue thought
most free, from all such dislyke dislykes most free, from all such dislykes dislyke
Iren: Iren : The Comon lawe is (as I before said) of yt self most Iren : Iren: The Comon lawe is (as I before said) of yt self most
rightfull and verye convenient , convenient, I suppose for the kinge rightfull and verye convenient, convenient , I suppose for the kinge
dome , for w hi ch dome, for wch yt was first deuized for this I thincke thincke, (as dome, for wch dome , for w hi ch yt was first deuized for this I thincke, thincke (as
yt semes reasonable , reasonable, that out of the mann (er) er s of the people yt semes reasonable, reasonable , that out of the mann er s (er) of the people
and abuses of the Countrye for w hi ch wch they were invinted invented, and abuses of the Countrye for wch w hi ch they were invented, invinted
they tooke their theire first begynninge : ffor For ells they should they tooke theire their first begynninge : For ffor ells they should
bee most vniust , vniust, for not noe lawes of man accordinge to bee most vniust, vniust , for noe not lawes of man accordinge to
the streight comandem comaundem rule of right, are iust, but as the streight comaundem comandem rule of right, are iust, but as
in regarde of the evills , w hi ch evills, wch they prevent , preuent, and the in regarde of the evills, wch evills , w hi ch they preuent, prevent , and the
saiftie of the com m on weale, w hi ch wch they provide for ~ for: saiftie of the com m on weale, wch w hi ch they provide for: for ~
As for example in the true ballancinge of justice Iustice As for example in the true ballancinge of Iustice justice
yt is a flatt aflatt wronge to punishe the thought or purpose yt is aflatt a flatt wronge to punishe the thought or purpose
of any before yt haue bee enacted : ffor enacted: For true justice Iustice of any before yt haue bee enacted: For enacted : ffor true Iustice justice
punisheth nothinge but the ^ evill euill acte or wicked worde, yet punisheth nothinge but the euill ^ evill acte or wicked worde, yet
by the lawes of all kingdomes yt is a Capytall by the lawes of all kingdomes yt is a Capytall
cryme to devise or purpose the death of the Kinge: cryme to devise or purpose the death of the Kinge:
The reason is ^ for that when such a purpose is effected it The reason is ^ for that when such a purpose is effected it
should be bee to late to devise of the punishm en t thereof thereof, and should bee be to late to devise of the punishm en t thereof, thereof and
should turne that Com m on weale to more hurte by should turne that Com m on weale to more hurte by
such losse of their Prince , theire Prince, then such punishm en t of the such losse of theire Prince, their Prince , then such punishm en t of the
malefactors, and therefore the lawe in that case malefactors, and therefore the lawe in that case
punisheth his thought : ffor thought: For better is a mischeif then an punisheth his thought: For thought : ffor better is a mischeif then an
inconvenience, So that jus Ius Polliciu m , though yt bee inconvenience, So that Ius jus Polliciu m , though yt bee
not of yt self just : Iust: yet by applycac i on or rather not of yt self Iust: just : yet by applycac i on or rather
necessitie , necessitie, is made iust , iust, and this onelye respecte necessitie, necessitie , is made iust, iust , and this onelye respecte
maketh all lawe iust: iust:, Now then if those lawes of maketh all lawe iust:, iust: Now then if those lawes of
Ireland be not lykewise , applyed and fytted for of Ireland be not lykewise , applyed and fytted for
that realme they are sure verye inconvenient inconvenient.. that realme they are sure verye inconvenient.. inconvenient
Eudox : Eudox: Yow Eudox: Eudox : Yow
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14 Eudox : Yow reason strongelie but what vnfytnes do yow fynde Eudox : Yow reason strongelie but what vnfytnes do yow fynde 14
Eudox : Yow reason stronglie but what vnfytnes doe yow fynde in them for that realme, shew vs some p ar ticulers: in them for that realme, shew vs some p ar ticulers: Eudox : Yow reason stronglie but what vnfytnes doe yow fynde
in them for Ire The Comon lawe appointeth that realme , show vs some p ar ticulers : all tryalls as well Ire The Comon lawe appointeth in them for that all tryalls as well realme , show vs some p ar ticulers :
Ire The Comon lawe appointeth that all tryalles aswell of Crymes as tytles and rightes shalbe made by of Crymes as tytles and rightes shalbe made by Ire The Comon lawe appointeth that all tryalles aswell
of Crymes as tytles uerdicte of Iurye chosen out of the honestist and rights shalbe made by uerdicte of Iurye chosen out of the honestist of Crymes as tytles and rights shalbe made by
verdicte of Iurye , chosen out of most substancyall freholders: Now all the honestist and Freholders most substancyall freholders: Now all verdicte of Iurye , chosen out of the Freholders honestist and
most substancyall freholders now all of that realme are Irishe, wch when the ffreholders cause shall of that realme are Irishe, wch when most substancyall freholders now all the cause shall ffreholders
of that realme are fall betwene an Irishe , w hi ch when the cause shall man and an Englishe, or –- fall betwene an of that realme are Irishe man and an Englishe, or –- , w hi ch when the cause shall
betwene an Irishe man the Quene and an Englishe, or ~~ any Freholder of that fall betwene the Quene an Irishe man and any Freholder of that an Englishe, or ~~
betwene the Quene and any ffreholder of Countie, that make noe more scruple to passe against Countie, betwene the Quene and any ffreholder of that make noe more scruple to passe against
Countie , that make noe more scruple the Inglishe man or the Quene, though yt bee to passe against the Inglishe man or the Quene, though yt bee Countie , that make noe more scruple to passe against
the Inglishe man or the Quene , though yt bee strayne theire oathes, then to drincke mylke vnstrayned, strayne theire oathes, then the Inglishe man or the Quene , though yt bee to drincke mylke vnstrayned,
strayne their oathes , then to drincke mylke vnstrayned so that before the Iurye goe togeather it is althinge so that before the Iurye goe togeather it is althinge strayne their oathes , then to drincke mylke vnstrayned
so that before to nothinge what theire verdicte wilbe, the Iurye goe togeather it is al thinge to nothinge what theire verdicte wilbe, so that before the Iurye goe togeather it is al thinge
to nothinge what their verdicte wilbe , the tryall thereof haue I so often se e ne, that I dare tryall thereof haue I so often se e ne, that I dare to nothinge what their verdicte wilbe , the
tryall thereof haue I so often se.e n , that j dare confydentelie avouch the abuse thereof: yett is the confydentelie avouch the abuse thereof: yett is the tryall thereof haue I so often se.e n , that j dare
confydentelie avouch the abuse thereof yett is the lawe of yt self (as I said good) and the first –- lawe of yt self (as I said good) and the first –- confydentelie avouch the abuse thereof yett is the
lawe of yt self (as I said good) and the first ~~ lawe of yt self (as I said good) and the first ~~
instytution thereof beinge gyven to all Inglishmen instytution thereof beinge gyven to all Inglishmen
whoe are verie rightfull , rightfull, but now that the Irishe whoe are verie rightfull, rightfull , but now that the Irishe
haue stepped into the rowmes of the Englishe , Englishe, whoe haue stepped into the rowmes of the Englishe, Englishe , whoe
are nowe become so hedefull and p ro vidente to kepe are nowe become so hedefull and p ro vidente to kepe
them forth from henceforth , hence forth, that they make noe them forth from hence forth, henceforth , that they make noe
scruple of conscience consience to passe against them . them, It is scruple of consience conscience to passe against them, them . It is
good reason that either eyther that course of the lawe good reason that eyther either that course of the lawe
for tryalls bee altred altered or other p ro vision for juries Iuries for tryalls bee altered altred or other p ro vision for Iuries juries
bee made made: bee made: made
Eudox : In sooth Irenius yow haue discou er ed a pointe apointe worth the Eudox : In sooth Irenius yow haue discou er ed apointe a pointe worth the
Consideracon for hereby not onelye the Englishe subiect Consideracon for hereby not onelye the Englishe subiect
fyndeth noe indifferencie in decydinge of his cause fyndeth noe indifferencie in decydinge of his cause
be yt neu er so just Iust: but also the Quene aswell as well in be yt neu er so Iust: just but also the Quene as well aswell in
all pleas of the Crowne , Crowne, as also for all inquiries all pleas of the Crowne, Crowne , as also for all inquiries
for excheat landes attainted wardshipps , wardshipps, Concealm en tes , for excheat landes attainted wardshipps, wardshipps , Concealm en tes ,
and all such lyke is abused , abused, and that excedingelie and all such lyke is abused, abused , and that excedingelie
endamaged:: endamaged::
I ren : yee I ren : yee
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Iren: Iren:
Iren: Iren : Yee saye verie trewe trewe: for I dare vndertake that at Iren Iren: Yee saye verie trewe: trewe : for I dare vndertake that at
this daye , daye, there are more attainted landes concealed from this daye, daye , there are more attainted landes concealed from
her ma jes tie , then shee now hath possessions in all Ireland and her ma jes tie , then shee now hath possessions in all Ireland and
that its that is noe small inconvenience : ffor inconvenience: For besydes that shee that is that its noe small inconvenience: For inconvenience : ffor besydes that shee
looseth so much land as should turne her to greate profytte , great profytte, looseth so much land as should turne her to great profytte, greate profytte ,
shee besydes looses looseth so manye good subiects w hi ch subiectes wch might bee shee besydes looseth looses so manye good subiectes wch subiects w hi ch might bee
assured to her . her, as those landes would yeild inhabytantes assured to her, her . as those landes would yeild inhabytantes
and lyvinge vnto and lyvinge vnto
Eudox: Eudox : But does that people saye you yow: make noe more consience Eudox : Eudox: But does that people saye yow: you make noe more consience
to p er iure them selues in theire verdictes and to da m m there dam n theire to p er iure them selues in theire verdictes and to dam n theire da m m there
soules : soules-: soules-: soules :
Iren: Iren : Not onelye so in theire verdictes but also in all other theire Iren : Iren: Not onelye so in theire verdictes but also in all other theire
dealinges , dealinges, speciallye w i th wth the Englishe they are most dealinges, dealinges , speciallye wth w i th the Englishe they are most
wilfullye bente , bente, for theough though they will not seeme manifest wilfullye bente, bente , for though theough they will not seeme manifest
lye to do yt , doe yt, yett will seme some one or other subtill headed lye to doe yt, do yt , yett will some seme one or other subtill headed
fellowe amongst them picke some quirke quirke, or devise some fellowe amongst them picke some quirke, quirke or devise some
subtill evasion , evasion, whereof the rest will lightlie take holde subtill evasion, evasion , whereof the rest will lightlie take holde
of of, and suffer them selues easelye to bee ledd by him to that of, of and suffer them selues easelye to bee ledd by him to that
themselues desyred . ffor them selues desyred: For in the most apparente apparante matter them selues desyred: For themselues desyred . ffor in the most apparante apparente matter
that may bee bee, the least question or doubte that can bee that may bee, bee the least question or doubte that can bee
moved will make stopp vnto them , them, and putt them moved will make stopp vnto them, them , and putt them
quite oute of the waye . waye: Besydes that of them selues they quite oute of the waye: waye . Besydes that of them selues they
are for the most p ar te , te, so cautelous and wylie headed are for the most p ar te, te , so cautelous and wylie headed
especiallye beinge men of so small experience and especiallye beinge men of so small experience and
practize in lawe matters , matters, that yow would wounder practize in lawe matters, matters , that yow would wounder
whence they borrowed such subtilties and slye shiftes shiftes: whence they borrowed such subtilties and slye shiftes: shiftes
Eudox: But: Eudox : But mee thincke thinckes this inconvenience might be much Eudox : But Eudox: But: mee thinckes thincke this inconvenience might be much
holped in the judges Iudges and cheif maiestrates w hi ch wch haue holped in the Iudges judges and cheif maiestrates wch w hi ch haue
the chusinge and nominatinge of those Iurors yf the chusinge and nominatinge of those Iurors yf
they would haue Care to appointe eyther most English they would haue Care to appointe eyther most English
men or such Irish men as were of the soundest disposi men or such Irish men as were of the soundest disposi
tion , tion, for noe doubte but some there bee incorruptable tion, tion , for noe doubte but some there bee incorruptable
Iren: Some Iren: Some
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15 Iren : Some sum m e there bee in deed, as yow saye: But then Iren : Some sum m e there bee in deed, as yow saye: But then 15
Iren: Some sum m e there bee in deed, as yow saye: But then Iren: Some sum m e there bee in deed, as yow saye: But then
would the Irishe p ar tye Crye out of p ar ciallitye , and ~~ Complaine he hath not Iustice, he is not vsed as a Complaine he hath not Iustice, he is not vsed as a would the Irishe p ar tye Crye out of p ar ciallitye , and ~~
Complaine he hath not Iustice , subiect, he is not vsed as a suffered to haue the free benyfitte subiect, Complaine he hath not Iustice , he is not suffered to haue the free benyfitte vsed as a
subiect , he is not suffered to haue the free benyfitte of the lawe; And these out cryes the maiestrate there of the lawe; And these out cryes the maiestrate there subiect , he is not suffered to haue the free benyfitte
of the lawe , And these outcryes the maiestrate there doe much shvne, as they haue cause, since they are doe much shvne, as they haue cause, since they are of the lawe , And these outcryes the maiestrate there
doe much shvnne , as they haue cause , since they are so ryddelie harkened vnto here, Neyther can yt indeede so ryddelie harkened vnto here, Neyther can yt indeede doe much shvnne , as they haue cause , since they are
although the Irishe p ar te would be contente, to bee so ryddelie harkened vnto here , Neyther can yt indeed so ryddelie harkened vnto here , Neyther can yt indeed
alththough the Irishe p ar te would be contente , to bee so compassed, that such Englishe free holders wch are compassed, that such Englishe free holders wch are alththough the Irishe p ar te would be contente , to bee so
compassed , that but fewe, and such Englishe free holders w hi ch faithfull Irish men wch are but fewe, and compassed , that such faithfull Irish men wch Englishe free holders w hi ch are
but fewe , and such faithfull Irish men w hi ch are indeed as fewe, shall alwaies be chosen for tryalls: indeed as fewe, shall alwaies be chosen for tryalls: but fewe , and such faithfull Irish men w hi ch are
indeed as For beinge so fewe , shall alwaies they should soone be chosen for tryalls : made wearie For beinge so indeed as fewe they should soone , shall alwaies be made wearie chosen for tryalls :
ffor beinge so fewe they should soone be made wearie of theire Frehould, and therefore a good care is to bee of theire Frehould, and therefore a good care is to bee ffor beinge so fewe they should soone be made wearie
of had by all good care is occasyons, to bee encrease theire ffrehould , and there fore a nomber, had by all of theire nomber, ffrehould , and there fore a good occasyons, care is to encrease bee
hadd and to encrease theire no m mber plante more by all good occasyons them, But were yt so that and hadd by them, But were yt so that all good occasyons to plante more encrease theire no m mber
and to plante more by them . But were yt so that and to plante more by them . But were yt so that
the Iuries could bee picked out of such choyce men as the Iuries could bee picked out of such choyce men as
yee desyre desyre, there would nevertheles bee as badd ~~ -– yee desyre, desyre there would nevertheles bee as badd -– ~~
corruption in the tryall , ffor tryall; For the evydence beinge corruption in the tryall; For tryall , ffor the evydence beinge
brought in by the base Irishe people wilbe as deceit deceyt brought in by the base Irishe people wilbe as deceyt deceit
full as the verdictes : ffor verdictes: For they care much lesse then full as the verdictes: For verdictes : ffor they care much lesse then
then the others , others, what they sweare , sweare, and sure theire then the others, others , what they sweare, sweare , and sure theire
Lordes maye Compell them to sweare saye any - any- Lordes maye Compell them to sweare saye any- any -
thinge . ffor thinge: For my self haue heard, when one of that thinge: For thinge . ffor my self haue heard, when one of that
base sorte w hi ch wch they call Churles Churles, beinge challenged base sorte wch w hi ch they call Churles, Churles beinge challenged
and reproved for his falce oath , oath, haue answered and reproved for his falce oath, oath , haue answered
confydentlye confydentlye, that his lord Lord com m aunded.. him , aunded him, and confydentlye, confydentlye that his Lord lord com m aunded him, aunded.. him , and
that yt was the least thinge he could doe for that yt was the least thinge he could doe for
his lord Lord to sweare for him , him, So inconsyonable his Lord lord to sweare for him, him , So inconsyonable
are these Comon people Com m on people, and so lyttle felinge haue are these Com m on people, Comon people and so lyttle felinge haue
they of god or theire owne soules good good. they of god or theire owne soules good. good
Eudox : It is a most miserable case , case, but what helpe the n Eudox : It is a most miserable case, case , but what helpe the n
can there bee in this ffor this, For though they the mann er of the tryall can there bee in this, For this ffor though the they mann er of the tryall
should be altered, yet they the proof of everie thinge must should be altered, yet the they proof of everie thinge must
needes bee by testymonies of such p er sons as the p ar ties needes bee by testymonies of such p er sons as the p ar ties
shall p ro duce shall p ro duce
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shall produce , w hi ch shall produce, wch yf they shall crrupte , corrupte, how can there shall produce, wch shall produce , w hi ch yf they shall corrupte, crrupte , how can there
any lighte of truthe appeare , appeare, what remedye is their theire any lighte of truthe appeare, appeare , what remedye is theire their
for this evill , evill, but to make heavye lawes and penne pennal for this evill, evill , but to make heavye lawes and pennal penne
tyes against p er iurors :: iurors:: tyes against p er iurors:: iurors ::
Iren: Iren : I thincke sure that will doe small good . ffor good: For when Iren : Iren: I thincke sure that will doe small good: For good . ffor when
a people as are inclyned to anye vice or haue noe a people as are inclyned to anye vice or haue noe
touch of Conscience , Conscience, nor sence of theire evill doing doinge, touch of Conscience, Conscience , nor sence of theire evill doinge, doing
yt is bootlesse to thincke to restrayne them by any yt is bootlesse to thincke to restrayne them by any
pennalties or feare of punishm en t ; but eyther the occasion pennalties or feare of punishm en t ; but eyther the occasion
as is to be taken awaye or a more vnderstandinge of the is as to be taken awaye or a more vnderstandinge of the
righte or shame of the faulte is to be imprinted imprinted: righte or shame of the faulte is to be imprinted: imprinted
ffor For yf Lycurgus should haue made yt death for the For ffor yf Lycurgus should haue made yt death for the
Lacidemonians to steale they beinge a people w hi ch ~ wch –- Lacidemonians to steale they beinge a people wch –- w hi ch ~
naturallye delighted in stealth , or stealth, Or yf yt should be naturallye delighted in stealth, Or stealth , or yf yt should be
made a Capytall Cryme for the ffleminges Flem m inges, to be made a Capytall Cryme for the Flem m inges, ffleminges to be
taken in drunckennes , drunckennes, there should haue bene fewe taken in drunckennes, drunckennes , there should haue bene fewe
Lacedymonians soone lefte, and ffewer fflemminges Fewer Flemminges Lacedymonians soone lefte, and Fewer Flemminges ffewer fflemminges
So ympossible yt is to remoue anye faulte so gen er all So ympossible yt is to remoue anye faulte so gen er all
in a people w hi ch wth terror of lawes , lawes, or most sharpe restraints restra i ntes in a people wth w hi ch terror of lawes, lawes , or most sharpe restra i ntes restraints
semes verie harde semes verie harde
Eudox: Eudox : What meanes maye there then bee to avoide Eudox : Eudox: What meanes maye there then bee to avoide
this inconvenience . ffor inconvenience: For the cause sure semes verie this inconvenience: For inconvenience . ffor the cause sure semes verie
harde : harde:: harde:: harde :
Iren: Iren : Wee are not yett come to that pointe to devize Iren : Iren: Wee are not yett come to that pointe to devize
remedyes for the evills , evills, but onelye haue now to ~ remedyes for the evills, evills , but onelye haue now to ~
recounte them , them, of the w hi ch wch this that I haue tould yow recounte them, them , of the wch w hi ch this that I haue tould yow
is one defecte in the Co Com m mon lawe : on lawe: is one defecte in the Com Co m on lawe: mon lawe :
Eud: Eud : Tell vs then I praye yow further , further, haue yow any Eud : Eud: Tell vs then I praye yow further, further , haue yow any
more of this sarte sorte in the Co Com m mon lawe on lawe: more of this sorte sarte in the Com Co m on lawe: mon lawe
Iren: Iren :: By rehearsall of this I remember also of another Iren :: Iren: By rehearsall of this I remember also of another
like , w hi ch like, wch I haue often observed in tryalls to haue like, wch like , w hi ch I haue often observed in tryalls to haue
wrought great hurte and hinderance , hinderance, and that is the wrought great hurte and hinderance, hinderance , and that is the
Exceptions , w hi ch Exceptions, wch the Co Com m mon on lawe alloweth to a fellon Exceptions, wch Exceptions , w hi ch the Com Co m on mon lawe alloweth to a fellon
in his tryall : ffor tryall: For he maye haue , as yow you knowe in his tryall: For tryall : ffor he maye haue , as you yow knowe
xxxvj xxxxi exceptions p er emptorie, against the jurours Iurours of xxxxi xxxvj exceptions p er emptorie, against the Iurours jurours of
w hi ch wch he wch w hi ch he
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16 wch he shall shewe noe cause, and as manye as he wch he shall shewe noe cause, and as manye as he 16
w hi ch he shall will of such, as he can shewe noe cause , and as manye as he cause, By wch shifte there will of such, as he can w hi ch he shall shewe cause, By wch shifte there noe cause , and as manye as he
wil beinge as he can shewe cause , By w hi ch shifte there I haue showed yow such small store of such, honest beinge wil of honest such, as I haue showed yow such small store he can shewe cause , By w hi ch shifte there
beinge as I haue showed yow such small score Jurye men, he will eyther putt of honest his tryall, or dryve Jurye men, he will eyther putt beinge as I haue showed yow such small score of his tryall, or dryve honest
Iurye yt to such men , he will eyther putt as p er happs are not of his tryall or dryue the soundest sorte: yt to such Iurye men as p er happs are not , he will eyther putt of the soundest sorte: his tryall or dryue
yt to such men as p er happs are ^ not of the soundest sorte : yt to such men as p er happs are ^ not of the soundest sorte :
By whose meanes yf he can acquite him self of the By whose meanes yf he can acquite him self of the
crymes , Cryme, as he is lykelie , lykelie, then will he plague such as Cryme, crymes , as he is lykelie, lykelie , then will he plague such as
were broughte first to bee of his Iurie , Iurie, and all such were broughte first to bee of his Iurie, Iurie , and all such
as made any p ar tie against him , him, and when he comes as made any p ar tie against him, him , and when he comes
forthe will make theire cowes and garrons to walke forthe will make theire cowes and garrons to walke
yf he doe noe other mischeif to theire p er sons :~ sons:- yf he doe noe other mischeif to theire p er sons:- sons :~
Eudox: Eudox : This is a slye devise , devise, but I thincke might sone Eudox : Eudox: This is a slye devise, devise , but I thincke might sone
bee remedyed , remedyed, but wee must leave yt awhile w i th a while wth the bee remedyed, remedyed , but wee must leave yt a while wth awhile w i th the
rest in the meane tyme tyme, doe yow goe forwarde w i th wth others rest in the meane tyme, tyme doe yow goe forwarde wth w i th others
Iren: Iren : There another noe lesse inconvenient then this Iren : Iren: There another noe lesse inconvenient then this
w hi ch wch is for the tryall of accessaries to felonye : felonye: wch w hi ch is for the tryall of accessaries to felonye: felonye :
ffor For by the comon com m on lawe the accessarie cannot be p ro ceeded For ffor by the com m on comon lawe the accessarie cannot be p ro ceeded
against till the principall haue receyved his tryall tryall:, against till the principall haue receyved his tryall:, tryall
Now the case often falleth in Ireland that a stealth Now the case often falleth in Ireland that a stealth
beinge made by al af a rebbell or an owtlawe the stollen beinge made by af al a rebbell or an owtlawe the stollen
goodes are conveyed to some husbandman or gent , w hi ch ~ goodes are conveyed to some husbandman or gent , w hi ch ~
hath well to take to , to, and yett lyveth most by the recepte hath well to take to, to , and yett lyveth most by the recepte
of such stealthes , stealthes, where they are founde by the of such stealthes, stealthes , where they are founde by the
owner and handled , handled, wherevpon the p ar tie p er happs owner and handled, handled , wherevpon the p ar tie p er happs
is app re hended and comitted to gaole , gaole, or putt vpon is app re hended and comitted to gaole, gaole , or putt vpon
suerties till the Sessions , Sessions, at w hi ch the p ar tie wch the ptie owner suerties till the Sessions, Sessions , at wch the ptie w hi ch the p ar tie owner
p re ferringe a byll of Indyc Indy c tem en t proveth proueth suffyciente the p re ferringe a byll of Indy c Indyc tem en t proueth proveth suffyciente the
stealthe stea l the to haue bene comitted com m itted vpon him by such an stea l the stealthe to haue bene com m itted comitted vpon him by such an
owtlawe and to haue bene founde in the possession of owtlawe and to haue bene founde in the possession of
the p ri soner against whom neverthelesse noe cause the p ri soner against whom neverthelesse noe cause
of lawe can proceed nor tryall can bee hadd , hadd, for of lawe can proceed nor tryall can bee hadd, hadd , for
that the princypall theif is not to be gotten , not gotten, not that the princypall theif is not to be gotten, not gotten , not
w i th wth standinge that he lykewise standeth p er happs wth w i th standinge that he lykewise standeth p er happs
indicted at once w i th wth the receyvor beinge in rebellyo n indicted at once wth w i th the receyvor beinge in rebellyo n
or in the woodes , woodes, where p er adventure he is slaine or in the woodes, woodes , where p er adventure he is slaine
before he: before he:
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is taken , taken, and soe the receyver receyvor cleane acquyted and disch is taken, taken , and soe the receyvor receyver cleane acquyted and disch
arged of the cryme , Cryme, By w hi ch wch meanes the theeves arged of the Cryme, cryme , By wch w hi ch meanes the theeves
are greatlye encurraged to steale , steale, and theire main are greatlye encurraged to steale, steale , and theire main
tayners imboldned to receyve theire stealthes , stealthes, knowing tayners imboldned to receyve theire stealthes, stealthes , knowing
how hardlie yt they can be brought to any tryall of how hardlie yt they can be brought to any tryall of
lawe : ~~ lawe:-- lawe:-- lawe : ~~
Eudox: Eudox : Trulie this is agreat inconvenience and a Eudox : Eudox: Trulie this is agreat inconvenience and a
greate cause as yow saye of the mainteynance of theves theves, greate cause as yow saye of the mainteynance of theves, theves
knowinge theire receyvors alwayes readye :: ffor readye: For would knowinge theire receyvors alwayes readye: For readye :: ffor would
there bee noe receyvors , there bee noe receyvors, there would be bee noe theves there bee noe receyvors, there bee noe receyvors , there would bee be noe theves
But this mee semes might easelye bee p ro vyded for But this mee semes might easelye bee p ro vyded for
by some arte acte of p ar lamente , lamente, that the receyvor beinge by some acte arte of p ar lamente, lamente , that the receyvor beinge
convicted by good proofes proofes, might receyve his tryall convicted by good proofes, proofes might receyve his tryall
w i thout wthout the princypall : princypall: wthout w i thout the princypall: princypall :
Iren: Iren : Yow saye verie trewe Eudoxus, Eudoxus , but that is almost almoste Iren : Iren: Yow saye verie trewe Eudoxus , Eudoxus, but that is almoste almost
ympossible to be conquered compassed , compassed, And herein ympossible to be conquered compassed, compassed , And herein
also yow discou er another imp er fection in the course of also yow discou er another imp er fection in the course of
the com m on lawe lawe, and first ordynance of the realme realme: the com m on lawe, lawe and first ordynance of the realme: realme
ffor For yee knowe that the said p ar lament must For ffor yee knowe that the said p ar lament must
consiste of the Peeres Gentlemen , ffreholders Peeres. Gentlemen, Freholders consiste of the Peeres. Gentlemen, Freholders Peeres Gentlemen , ffreholders
and Burgesses of that realme yt self. Now and Burgesses of that realme yt self. Now
these being beinge p er happs them selues or the most p ar te these beinge being p er happs them selues or the most p ar te
of them (as maye seme by theire stryffe w i th standing styffe wthstanding of them (as maye seme by theire styffe wthstanding stryffe w i th standing
this acte) culpable of thys cryme , Cryme, or favorers of of this acte) culpable of thys Cryme, cryme , or favorers of
theire freindes w hi ch wch are such by whom theire kytchins theire freindes wch w hi ch are such by whom theire kytchins
are sometymes amendid , amendid, will not suffer any such are sometymes amendid, amendid , will not suffer any such
statute to passe , yett passe, yet hath yt oftentymes beene bene statute to passe, yet passe , yett hath yt oftentymes bene beene
attempted , attempted, and in the tyme of Sr S r John Parott verie attempted, attempted , and in the tyme of S r Sr John Parott verie
earnestlie I remember labored , labored, but by noe meanes earnestlie I remember labored, labored , but by noe meanes
could bee effected , effected, And not onelye this but many could bee effected, effected , And not onelye this but many
other lyke w hi ch wch are as needfull need full for the reformac i on other lyke wch w hi ch are as need full needfull for the reformac i on
of that realme : realme: of that realme: realme :
Eudox: Eudox : This also is surelie agreate ... defect agre defecte but we Eudox : Eudox: This also is surelie agreate agre defecte ... defect but we
maye not talke yow saye saye, of the redressing of maye not talke yow saye, saye of the redressing of
of this vntill of this vntill
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17 of this, vntill our seconde p ar te come, wch is of this, vntill our seconde p ar te come, wch is 17
of this , vntill our seconde purposelye appointed therevnto, Therefore p ar te come , w hi ch is ro ceed purposelye appointed therevnto, Therefore of this , vntill our seconde p ro ceed ar te come , w hi ch is
purposelye appointed therevnto , Therefore p ro ceed purposelye appointed therevnto , Therefore p ro ceed
to the recountinge of moe such evills yf at such least to the recountinge of moe such evills yf at such least
yow haue anye more : more: yow haue anye more: more :
Iren: Iren : There is also a greate inconvenience , w hi ch agreate inconvenience, wch hath Iren : Iren: There is also agreate inconvenience, wch a greate inconvenience , w hi ch hath
wrought great damadge both to her ma m a jes te t i e , and to that wrought great damadge both to her m a ma jes t i e te , and to that
Com m on wealth , wealth, through close and coullorable ~~ - - Com m on wealth, wealth , through close and coullorable - - ~~
conveyances of the landes and goodes of traytors ~~ Traytors - - conveyances of the landes and goodes of Traytors - - traytors ~~
ffellows, Fellons, and fugytiues as when one of them myndeth Fellons, ffellows, and fugytiues as when one of them myndeth
to goe into rebellyon , rebellyon, he will convey awaye all to goe into rebellyon, rebellyon , he will convey awaye all
his landes ^ & .. ordshippes lordshipps to ffeoffes Feoffes in trust whereby his landes ^ & lordshipps .. ordshippes to Feoffes ffeoffes in trust whereby
he reserveth to him self but a state for terme of he reserveth to him self but a state for terme of
lyfe w hi ch wch beinge determined, determined,, eyther by the sword lyfe wch w hi ch beinge determined,, determined, eyther by the sword
or by the haulter , haulter, theire land streight commeth to or by the haulter, haulter , theire land streight commeth to
the heire , the heire, and the quene is defrauded of the intent the heire, the heire , and the quene is defrauded of the intent
of the lawe , w hi ch lawe, wch layde that grevous punishm en t vpo n of the lawe, wch lawe , w hi ch layde that grevous punishm en t vpo n
Traytors to forfeite all theire lande landes to the Prince Traytors to forfeite all theire landes lande to the Prince
to the end that men might bee the rather terrefyed to the end that men might bee the rather terrefyed
from Comittinge Treasons . ffor Treasons. For manye w hi ch wch would from Comittinge Treasons. For Treasons . ffor manye wch w hi ch would
lyttle esteme of theire owne lyves , lyves, yett for lyttle esteme of theire owne lyves, lyves , yett for
remorse of theire wyves and children should bee . remorse of theire wyves and children should bee .
w hi ch wth hold from that haynous Cryme , Cryme, This appeared appeard wth w hi ch hold from that haynous Cryme, Cryme , This appeard appeared
plainelye in the late Earle of Desmound , Desmound, for plainelye in the late Earle of Desmound, Desmound , for
before his breakinge forthe into open rebellyon , before his breakinge forthe into open rebellyon ,
he had conveyed secretlye all his landes to ffeoffes Feoffes he had conveyed secretlye all his landes to Feoffes ffeoffes
of trust , of trust, in hope to haue her Cutt of her ma jest ie ~ jes tie of trust, of trust , in hope to haue her Cutt of her ma jes tie jest ie ~
from the escheate of his landes landes: from the escheate of his landes: landes
Eudox: Yea Eudox : ffor Yea: but that was well ynough avoyded avoyded: For Eudox Eudox: Yea but that was well ynough avoyded: For avoyded : Yea: ffor
the Acte of p ar lament w hi ch wch gaue all his landes the Acte of p ar lament wch w hi ch gaue all his landes
to the Quene did Quene, (did as I haue hard cutt of and to the Quene, (did Quene did as I haue hard cutt of and
frustrate all such Conveyances as had any tyme frustrate all such Conveyances as had any tyme
by the space of xij yeares before his rebellion by the space of xij yeares before his rebellion
bene made w i thin wth in the Compasse whereof that bene made wth in w i thin the Compasse whereof that
ffraudulent Fraudulent Fraudulent ffraudulent
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fraudulente feoffm en t and manye other the lyke of his fraudulente feoffm en t and manye other the lyke of his
accomplisshes accomplisses and fellowe traytors were contayned accomplisses accomplisshes and fellowe traytors were contayned
Iren: Iren : verye trewe , trewe, but how hardlye that Acte of Iren : Iren: verye trewe, trewe , but how hardlye that Acte of
Parlamente was wrounge out of them , them, I can wytnes wytnes, Parlamente was wrounge out of them, them , I can wytnes, wytnes
and were yt to be ^ com passed . passed: But were yt so that and were yt to be ^ com passed: passed . But were yt so that
such Acte Actes might easelye be brought to passe ~~ - - such Actes Acte might easelye be brought to passe - - ~~
against traitors and felons , felons, yet were yt not an against traitors and felons, felons , yet were yt not an
endlesse trouble that noe traytor nor fellon endlesse trouble that noe traytor nor fellon
should be attainted , attainted, But a p ar lament should must should be attainted, attainted , But a p ar lament should must
be bee called for bringinge his landes to the Quene Quene, bee be called for bringinge his landes to the Quene, Quene
w hi ch wch the Com m on lawe gyveth her wch w hi ch the Com m on lawe gyveth her
Eudox: Eudox : Then this is noe faulte of the com m on lawe , lawe, Eudox : Eudox: Then this is noe faulte of the com m on lawe, lawe ,
but of the p er sons w hi ch wch worke this fraude to her ma jest ie jes tie - but of the p er sons wch w hi ch worke this fraude to her ma jes tie - jest ie
Iren: Yes Iren : yes marye for the com m on lawe hath left them , Iren : yes Iren: Yes marye for the com m on lawe hath left them ,
this benyfitte , benyfitte, whereof they make advantage, advantaige, this benyfitte, benyfitte , whereof they make advantaige, advantage,
and wrest yt to theire bad purposes . purposes. So as they and wrest yt to theire bad purposes. purposes . So as they
are thereby the bolder to enter into evill accon, are thereby the bolder to enter into evill accon,
knowinge that yf the worste befall them, they knowinge that yf the worste befall them, they
shall loose nothinge but them selues whereof ~~ - shall loose nothinge but them selues whereof - ~~
they seme surelye verye carelesse , carelesse, lyke as they seme surelye verye carelesse, carelesse , lyke as
all barborous people are , are, verye fearelesse of all barborous people are, are , verye fearelesse of
deathe : deathe: deathe: deathe :
Eudox: Eudox : But what meane yow of fugytiues here in or Eudox : Eudox: But what meane yow of fugytiues here in or
how doth this concerne them : them: how doth this concerne them: them :
Iren: Yes Iren : yes verelye greatelye greatlye: ffor For yee shall Iren : yes Iren: Yes verelye greatelye greatlye: For ffor yee shall
vnderstande that there be manye yll disposed and ~ vnderstande that there be manye yll disposed and ~
vndewtyfall vndewtyfull p er sons of that realme , realme, lyke as in this pointe, vndewtyfull vndewtyfall p er sons of that realme, realme , lyke as in this pointe,
there are also in the realme of England for too manye w hi ch wch there are also in the realme of England too for manye wch w hi ch
being beinge men of good inheritance are for the p re sent gover n m goverm en t beinge being men of good inheritance are for the p re sent goverm gover n m en t
fledd beyonde the seas , seas, where they lyve vnder princes Princes fledd beyonde the seas, seas , where they lyve vnder Princes princes
that are here her ma jes ties professed Enymies and converse and Enymies, and converse, and that are her here ma jes ties professed Enymies, and converse, and Enymies and converse and
are confydderate w i th wth other trators and fugitiues w hi ch are wch are are confydderate wth w i th other trators and fugitiues wch are w hi ch are
theire abydinge , abydinge, The w hi ch neverthelesse , wch neverthelesse, haue the theire abydinge, abydinge , The wch neverthelesse, w hi ch neverthelesse , haue the
benyfit benyfites benyfites benyfit
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18 benefyte and profites of theire landes here, by p re tence of such coullo benefyte and profites of theire landes here, by p re tence of such coullo 18
benefyte and profite of rable conveyances thereof form er lie made by them to theire landes here p re sence of such coullo ri vie rable conveyances thereof form er lie made benefyte and profite of theire landes here by them to p ri vie re sence of such coullo
rable conveyances thereof form er lie made by frindes here in trust, who secretlie send over vnto them to their p ri vie the frindes here in trust, who secretlie send over vnto rable conveyances thereof form er lie made by them the to their p ri vie
frindes here in trust , who secretlie send over vnto them the said revenewes, where wth they are thence maintayned and said revenewes, where wth they are thence maintayned and frindes here in trust , who secretlie send over vnto them the
said revenewes, where w i th they are theire maintayned and enhabled against her ma jes tie : enhabled against her ma jes tie : said revenewes, where w i th they are theire maintayned and
enhabled against her ma jes tie Eudox : ~ I doe not thincke that there be any such fugytiues, wch are Eudox enhabled against her ma jes tie : I doe not thincke that there be any such fugytiues, wch are ~
Eudox: I doe not thincke that there be any such fugytiues, w hi ch are releived by the profite of theire landes in England: For releived by the profite of theire landes in England: For Eudox: I doe not thincke that there be any such fugytiues, w hi ch are
theire landes in England: ffor is a straighter order taken: And yf there be any releived by the profite of theire is a straighter order taken: And yf there be any landes in England: ffor
theire is a straighter order taken : And yf there be any theire is a straighter order taken : And yf there be any
such in Ireland, yt were good that yt were lykewise loked such in Ireland, yt were good that yt were lykewise loked
vnto : ffor vnto: For this evill maye easelye be remedyed: But vnto: For vnto : ffor this evill maye easelye be remedyed: But
p ro ceed : ceed: p ro ceed: ceed :
Iren: Iren : yt is also inconvenient in the realme of Ireland that Iren : Iren: yt is also inconvenient in the realme of Ireland that
the wardes , wardes, and marriages of gentlemens Children , ~ Children,- the wardes, wardes , and marriages of gentlemens Children,- Children , ~
should bee in the disposition of these any of these Irishe should bee in the disposition of these any of these Irishe
lordes Lordes as now they are , are, by reason that theire landes are helde Lordes lordes as now they are, are , by reason that theire landes are helde
by knightes service of those lordes Lordes as now they By w hi ch wch by knightes service of those Lordes lordes as now they By wch w hi ch
meanes yt com m eth to passe , passe, that those said Gentlemens ~~ - - meanes yt com m eth to passe, passe , that those said Gentlemens - - ~~
children beinge thus in the warde of those lordes , Lordes, are children beinge thus in the warde of those Lordes, lordes , are
not onelye thereby brought vpp lewdlie and Irishe not onelye thereby brought vpp lewdlie and Irishe
lyke lyke, but also for eu er ^ after so bounden to theire servyces . servyces, as that they lyke, lyke but also for eu er ^ after so bounden to theire servyces, servyces . as that they
will run w i th wth them into any disloyall action: a c OB tion: will run wth w i th them into any disloyall a c OB tion: action:
Eudox: Eudox : This grevance Irenius, is also complayned of in Eudox : Eudox: This grevance Irenius, is also complayned of in
England, but how can yt bee remedyed , remedyed, since the service must England, but how can yt bee remedyed, remedyed , since the service must
followe the tennor of the Landes , Landes, and the landes were followe the tennor of the Landes, Landes , and the landes were
gyven awaye by the kinges Kinges of England to those Lordes gyven awaye by the Kinges kinges of England to those Lordes
when they first conquered that realme . realme. And to saye when they first conquered that realme. realme . And to saye
truth this also would bee some p re iudice to the Prince in truth this also would bee some p re iudice to the Prince in
the wardshipp : her wardshipp: her wardshipp: the wardshipp :
Iren: Iren : I doe not meane this by the Princes ward , ward, but by Iren : Iren: I doe not meane this by the Princes ward, ward , but by
such as fall into the hands handes of the Irishe Lordes Lordes. for I could such as fall into the handes hands of the Irishe Lordes. Lordes for I could
wishe and this I would enforce that all those wardshippes wardshipps were wishe and this I would enforce that all those wardshipps wardshippes were
in the princes disposition . disposition, for then yt might be hoped that in the princes disposition, disposition . for then yt might be hoped that
she for the vniu univ er sall reformacion of that realme would she for the univ vniu er sall reformacion of that realme would
take better order for the bringing vpp of those wardshippes ward s shipps take better order for the bringing vpp of those ward s shipps wardshippes
in good Nourture , Nourture, and not suffer them to come into so badd in good Nourture, Nourture , and not suffer them to come into so badd
handes, And though these those thinges bee alreadie passed A- A handes, And though those these thinges bee alreadie passed A A-
waye by waye by
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her p ro gennytors form er grantes , grantes, vnto those said Lordes , Lordes, yet I could fynde awaye a her p ro gennytors form er grantes, grantes , vnto those said Lordes, Lordes , yet I could fynde a awaye
to remedye a greate p ar te thereof , as here after when fytt tyme . waye waye to remedye a greate p ar te thereof , as here after when fytt tyme .
serveth shall appeare . And since wee are entred into speach of to remedye a greate p ar te thereof, as hereafter when fytt tyme to remedye a greate p ar te thereof, as hereafter when fytt tyme serveth shall appeare . And since wee are entred into speach of
such grantes of form er Princes to soundrye p er sons of that realme serveth shall appeare. And since wee are entred into speach of serveth shall appeare. And since wee are entred into speach of such grantes of form er Princes to soundrye p er sons of that realme
of Ireland , I will mention vnto yow some other of lyke nature such grantes of form er Princes to soundrye p er sons of that realme such grantes of form er Princes to soundrye p er sons of that realme of Ireland , I will mention vnto yow some other of lyke nature
to this and of like inconvenience , by w hi ch the kinge of England of Ireland, I will mention vnto yow some other of lyke nature of Ireland, I will mention vnto yow some other of lyke nature to this and of like inconvenience , by w hi ch the kinge of England
passed vnto them a greate p ar te of theire p re rogatiue , w hi ch though then to this and of like inconvenience, by wch the kinges of England to this and of like inconvenience, by wch the kinges of England passed vnto them a greate p ar te of theire p re rogatiue , w hi ch though then
passed vnto them a greate p ar te of theire p re rogatiue, wch though then passed vnto them a greate p ar te of theire p re rogatiue, wch though then
yt were well intended and p er happs well deserved of them yt were well intended and p er happs well deserved of them
w hi ch wch receaved the same , same, yett now such a gapp of mischeif lyeth wch w hi ch receaved the same, same , yett now such a gapp of mischeif lyeth
open thereby , thereby, as I could wishe weare stopped, of this sorte and are open thereby, thereby , as I could wishe weare stopped, of this sorte are and
the grantes of the Counties Pallentynes in Ireland, wch the grantes of the Counties Pallentynes in Ireland, wch
though at first were granted vpon good consideracon when though at first were granted vpon good consideracon when
they were first conquered, for that those landes laye then as they were first conquered, for that those landes laye then as
a verie border to the wylde Irishe Irishe, subiect to contynewall inva a verie border to the wylde Irishe, Irishe subiect to contynewall inva
sion, so as yt is needfull to giue them greate p ri vilidges to sion, so as yt is needfull to giue them greate p ri vilidges to
the defence of the inhabytantes thereof , thereof, yet now that is the defence of the inhabytantes thereof, thereof , yet now that is
noe more a border , border, but frountyerd w i th enemies , why wth enemies, whie should noe more a border, border , but frountyerd wth enemies, whie w i th enemies , why should
such p ri vilidges be anye more contynewed contynewed: such p ri vilidges be anye more contynewed: contynewed
Eudox: Eudox : I would gladlie knowe what yow call a Countye Pallantine Pallentine Eudox : Eudox: I would gladlie knowe what yow call a Countye Pallentine Pallantine
and whence yt is so called : called: and whence yt is so called: called :
Iren: Iren : Yt was as I suppose first named Palantine Palatine, of a Pale as Iren : Iren: Yt was as I suppose first named Palatine, Palantine of a Pale as
yt were of a pale and defence to the Inner landes landes. so as yt were of a pale and defence to the Inner landes. landes so as
now yt is called the English Pale . pale, and thereof also is a now yt is called the English pale, Pale . and thereof also is a
Palsgraue named , named, that is an Earle Palentyne others Palsgraue named, named , that is an Earle Palentyne others
thincke of the lattene Palare , Palare, that is to forrage or out thincke of the lattene Palare, Palare , that is to forrage or out
rune because those m ar chers and borderers vse comonlie so to do doe- rune because those m ar chers and borderers vse comonlie so to doe- do
so as to haue a Countye Pallentyne, is in effecte but to so as to haue a Countye Pallentyne, is in effecte but to
haue a p ri vilidge to spoyle th enemies borders adioyninge ~ haue a p ri vilidge to spoyle th enemies borders adioyninge ~
and surelye so yt is vsed at this daye as a p ap ri vilidged and surelye so yt is vsed at this daye as ap a p ri vilidged
place of spoyles and stealthes , stealthes, for the Countie Palatine place of spoyles and stealthes, stealthes , for the Countie Palatine
of Typperarie w hi ch wch is now the onelye Countye Palatine of Typperarie wch w hi ch is now the onelye Countye Palatine
in Ireland . Ireland, is by abuse of some bad ones made a receptacle in Ireland, Ireland . is by abuse of some bad ones made a receptacle
to robb the rest of the Counties aboutyt Countries about yt, By meanes of to robb the rest of the Countries about yt, Counties aboutyt By meanes of
whose p ri vilidges none will followe theire stealthes , stealthes, so whose p ri vilidges none will followe theire stealthes, stealthes , so
as yt as yt
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as yt beinge scituate in the verie Topp of all the land, is as yt beinge scituate in the verie Topp of all the land, is
made now aborder , w hi ch a border, wch how incovenient it is lett eu er ie man made now a border, wch aborder , w hi ch how incovenient it is lett eu er ie man
iudge : iudge: And though that right noble man that is the iudge: iudge : And though that right noble man that is the
Lord of that libertie doe libertie, do paine him self all that he Lord of that libertie, do libertie doe paine him self all that he
maye to yeild equall Iustice vnto all all, yett can there not maye to yeild equall Iustice vnto all, all yett can there not
but great abuses lurke in so in so inward and absolute a ~ but great abuses lurke in so in so inward and absolute a ~
p ri vilidgeinge : vilidginge: Consideracon whereof is to be had respected ~~ - - p ri vilidginge: vilidgeinge : Consideracon whereof is to be had respected - - ~~
carefullie for the next succession : succession: And much like vnto this carefullie for the next succession: succession : And much like vnto this
grante there are also other p ri vilidges granted vnto most of grante there are also other p ri vilidges granted vnto most of
the Corporatyons there that they shall not bee bound the Corporatyons there that they shall not bee bound
to any other gou er m en t then theire owne , owne, that they shall not to any other gou er m en t then theire owne, owne , that they shall not
be charged w i th wth any garrysons , garrysons, that they shall not be charged wth w i th any garrysons, garrysons , that they shall not
be travelled forth of theire owne franchises , franchises, that they maye be travelled forth of theire owne franchises, franchises , that they maye
buye and sell w i th wth theves and rebells, that all am er cym en tes buye and sell wth w i th theves and rebells, that all am er cym en tes
and fynes w hi ch wch shalbe ymposed vppon vpon them shall come and fynes wch w hi ch shalbe ymposed vpon vppon them shall come
vnto them selves : selves: All w hi ch wch though at the tyme of there vnto them selves: selves : All wch w hi ch though at the tyme of there
first grante , grante, they were tollerable , and p er happes ~ happs first grante, grante , they were tollerable , and p er happs happes ~
reasonable , reasonable, yet now are most vnreasonable & .. inconvenient : v inconvenient: reasonable, reasonable , yet now are most vnreasonable & v inconvenient: .. inconvenient :
But all those these will easilie easelie be cutt of w i th wth the sup er ior ~ But all these those will easelie easilie be cutt of wth w i th the sup er ior ~
power of her ma jes ties p er rogatiue re rogatiue, against w hi ch wch her owne grantes power of her ma jes ties p re rogatiue, er rogatiue against wch w hi ch her owne grantes
are not to bee pleaded nor enforced : enforced: are not to bee pleaded nor enforced: enforced :
Eudox: Nowe Eudox : Now trulie Irenius yee haue me semes , mee semes, verie well handled Eudox : Now Eudox: Nowe trulie Irenius yee haue mee semes, me semes , verie well handled
this pointe towchinge inconveniences in the Comon lawe , ~ Com m on lawe, - - this pointe towchinge inconveniences in the Com m on lawe, - - Comon lawe , ~
there by yow observed thereby yow observed, and yt seemeth seameth that yow haue had a thereby yow observed, there by yow observed and yt seameth seemeth that yow haue had a
myndfull regarde vnto the thinges that maye concerne the myndfull regarde vnto the thinges that maye concerne the
good of that realme . realme, And yf yow can aswell goe through good of that realme, realme . And yf yow can aswell goe through
w i th wth the Statute lawes of that lande lande, I will thincke yow wth w i th the Statute lawes of that lande, lande I will thincke yow
have haue not lost all yo u r yor tyme there . Therefore there, therefore I praye haue have not lost all yor yo u r tyme there, therefore there . Therefore I praye
yow yow, now take them to yo u r you in hand and tell vs what yow thincke yow, yow now take them to you in yo u r hand and tell vs what yow thincke
to be amisse in them : them:: to be amisse in them:: them :
Iren: Iren : The statutes of that realme are not manye , manye, and therefore Iren : Iren: The statutes of that realme are not manye, manye , and therefore
wee shall the sooner run through them . them, And yett of those these wee shall the sooner run through them, them . And yett of these those
fewe there are sundrie imp er tinente and vnnece ssarie , vnne ce ssarie, the fewe there are sundrie imp er tinente and vnne ce ssarie, vnnece ssarie , the
w hi ch wch p er happs though at the tyme of makinge of them, wch w hi ch p er happs though at the tyme of makinge of them,
were verie needfull , needfull, yett now through change of tyme were verie needfull, needfull , yett now through change of tyme
are cleane are cleane
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are Cleane antyquated , antyquated, and altogeather , altogeather, As that w hi ch wch forbyddeth are Cleane antyquated, antyquated , and altogeather, altogeather , As that wch w hi ch forbyddeth
any to weare them theire beardes all on the Vpper Upper lipp and any to weare theire them beardes all on the Upper Vpper lipp and
none vnder the Chine . Chine. and that w hi ch wch putteth awaye saffron none vnder the Chine. Chine . and that wch w hi ch putteth awaye saffron
shirtes and smockes , smockes, and that w hi ch wch restrayneth the vsinge of shirtes and smockes, smockes , and that wch w hi ch restrayneth the vsinge of
guilte bridles and pettorelles , pettorells, and that w hi ch wch appointed to the guilte bridles and pettorells, pettorelles , and that wch w hi ch appointed to the
recorders and Clarke Clarkes of Dubline and drodagh , drodagh, to take but recorders and Clarkes Clarke of Dubline and drodagh, drodagh , to take but
ijd ij d for the Coppie of a plainte and that w hi ch wch com m aundeth bowes ij d ijd for the Coppie of a plainte and that wch w hi ch com m aundeth bowes
and arrowes , and that w hi ch and arrowes, and that wch maketh that all Irishmen that and arrowes, and that wch and arrowes , and that w hi ch maketh that all Irishmen that
shall converse amonge the Englishe , englishe, shalbe taken for shall converse amonge the englishe, Englishe , shalbe taken for
spyes and so punished , punished, and that w hi ch wch forbyddeth p er sons not a spyes and so punished, punished , and that wch w hi ch forbyddeth p er sons not a
meanable to lawe to enter and distreine destreine in the landes meanable to lawe to enter and destreine distreine in the landes
in the w hi ch wch they haue little little, and manie other the lyke in the wch w hi ch they haue little, little and manie other the lyke
w hi ch wch I could rehearse . rehearse:: wch w hi ch I could rehearse:: rehearse .
Eudox: Eudox : These trulie w hi ch wch yow haue repeated seeme verie Eudox : Eudox: These trulie wch w hi ch yow haue repeated seeme verie
frevolous and fruitelesse . ffor fruitelesse: For by the breach of them little frevolous and fruitelesse: For fruitelesse . ffor by the breach of them little
damadge or inconvenience can come to the Com m on Wealth Wealth: damadge or inconvenience can come to the Com m on Wealth: Wealth
weyther Neyther in deed yf .. at any transgresse them , them, shall he hee Neyther weyther in deed yf at .. any transgresse them, them , shall hee he
seeme worthie of punishm en t , scarse of blame blame, savinge seeme worthie of punishm en t , scarse of blame, blame savinge
but for that they abyde for by the names of lawes . lawes, But lawes but for that they abyde for by the names of lawes, lawes . But lawes
ought to be such as that by the kepinge of them should bee ~ ought to be such as that the by kepinge of them should bee ~
greatlie for the behoof of the com m on weale , weale, and the greatlie for the behoof of the com m on weale, weale , and the
vyolatinge of them should be bee verie haynous and sharplie vyolatinge of them should bee be verie haynous and sharplie
punishable , punishable, But tell vs us of some more weightie dislike punishable, punishable , But tell us vs of some more weightie dislike
in the states theme these , then these, and that maye bee more behoof behoue in the states then these, theme these , and that maye bee more behoue behoof
full , in p full, imp ar te the reformacon of them : them: full, imp full , in p ar te the reformacon of them: them :
Iren: Iren : There is one or twoe statues w hi ch statutes wch make the wrongfull Iren : Iren: There is one or twoe statutes wch statues w hi ch make the wrongfull
distreyninge of any manes mans goodes against the forme of distreyninge of any mans manes goodes against the forme of
Comon Com m on lawe to be ffellonye , Fellonye, the w hi ch statue wch statutes seme Com m on Comon lawe to be Fellonye, ffellonye , the wch statutes w hi ch statue seme
surelie to haue bene at first meante for the greate good surelie to haue bene at first meante for the greate good
of that realme , realme, and for referayninge restrayninge of a fowle ~ of that realme, realme , and for restrayninge referayninge of a fowle ~
abuse , w hi ch abuse, wch then raigned com m onlie amongst that people . people: abuse, wch abuse , w hi ch then raigned com m onlie amongst that people: people .
and yett is not altogeather layde asyde , a syde, that when and yett is not altogeather layde a syde, asyde , that when
any one was indebted to another , another, he would first ~ - - any one was indebted to another, another , he would first - - ~
demaund : demaund: demaund: demaund :
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20 demaunde his debte, and yf he were not paide, he would straight demaunde his debte, and yf he were not paide, he would straight 20
demaunded goe and yf he were not paide , he would straight take a distresse of his debte , goodes or Cattles where hee goe demaunded his goodes or Cattles where hee debte , and take a distresse of yf he were not paide , he would straight
goe and take adistresse of his goodes or Cattles where could fynde them to the vallue wch he would kepe till hee could fynde them to the vallue wch he would kepe till goe and take adistresse of his goodes or Cattles where hee
could fynde them to were satisfied, and this the vallue w hi ch he would kepe till hee symple Churle (as they call were satisfied, and this could fynde them to the symple Churle (as they call vallue w hi ch he would kepe till hee
were satisfied , and this the symple Churle (as they call were satisfied , and this the symple Churle (as they call
him, doth comonlye vse to doe, yett throughe ignorance of him, doth comonlye vse to doe, yett throughe ignorance of
his misdoinge or evill vse, that hath longe settled amongst his misdoinge or evill vse, that hath longe settled amongst
them , them, But this though yt be sure most vnlawfull , vnlawfull, yett ~ them, them , But this though yt be sure most vnlawfull, vnlawfull , yett ~
surelye mee semes to harde to make yt death , death, since there surelye mee semes to harde to make yt death, death , since there
is noe purpose in the p ar tie to steale the others goodes ~~ - - is noe purpose in the p ar tie to steale the others goodes - - ~~
or to conceale the distresse , distresse, but doth yt openlie for the most or to conceale the distresse, distresse , but doth yt openlie for the most
p ar te before wytnesses . wytnesses: And againe the same statutes are p ar te before wytnesses: wytnesses . And againe the same statutes are
so slacklye pende , pende, and besydes that later of them is so slacklye pende, pende , and besydes that later of them is
so vnsensiblye contryved , contryved, that yt scarse carrieth any so vnsensiblye contryved, contryved , that yt scarse carrieth any
reason in yt , yt, that they are often and verie easilie easelie reason in yt, yt , that they are often and verie easelie easilie
wrested to the fraude of the subiecte , subiecte, as yf one wrested to the fraude of the subiecte, subiecte , as yf one
goinge to distreine vpon his land lande or tenem en t where ~~ goinge to distreine vpon his lande land or tenem en t where ~~
lawfullie he maye , maye, yett if in doinge thereof he transg lawfullie he maye, maye , yett if in doinge thereof he transg
resse the least pointe of the Com m on lawe , lawe, he straight resse the least pointe of the Com m on lawe, lawe , he straight
comitteth felonye ; felonye, This is a verie averie hard lawe : lawe: .. comitteth felonye, felonye ; This is averie a verie hard lawe: .. lawe :
Eudox: Eudox : Neu er thelesse the evill vse of distreyninge another mans Eudox : Eudox: Neu er thelesse the evill vse of distreyninge another mans
goodes yow will not denye , denye, but is to be abollished and taken goodes yow will not denye, denye , but is to be abollished and taken
awaye . awaye: awaye: awaye .
Iren: Iren : Yt is so but not by takinge awaye the subiecte w i th all wthall Iren : Iren: Yt is so but not by takinge awaye the subiecte wthall w i th all
for that is to violent a medycine , speciallie medycine, speciallie, this vuse vse for that is to violent a medycine, speciallie, medycine , speciallie this vse vuse
beinge being p er mitted mitted, and made lawfull to some and to other some being beinge p er mitted, mitted and made lawfull to some and to other some
death , death, As to most of the corporate townes , Corporate townes, there yt is death, death , As to most of the Corporate townes, corporate townes , there yt is
granted by there charter that they maye everie man granted by there charter that they maye everie man
by him self w i th out wthout an offycer (for that were more by him self wthout w i th out an offycer (for that were more
tollerable) for any d debte to distraine destraine the goodes of any tollerable) for any d debte to destraine distraine the goodes of any
Irishe beinge founde w i th in wthin there libertie or but passing Irishe beinge founde wthin w i th in there libertie or but passing
through their Townes . theire Townes. And the first p er mission of this through theire Townes. their Townes . And the first p er mission of this
was for that in those tymes when that grant was made was for that in those tymes when that grant was made
the Irishe were not ameanable to lawes , lawe, so as yt was the Irishe were not ameanable to lawe, lawes , so as yt was
not saiftye not saiftye
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not saftye saiftye for the townes man to goe to him forth to demaunde his not saiftye saftye for the townes man to goe to him forth to demaunde his
debte , debte, nor possible drawe him into lawe , lawe, so that hee hadd leue debte, debte , nor possible drawe him into lawe, lawe , so that hee hadd leue
to be his owne balife to arreast his said debtors goodes w i th in wthin to be his owne balife to arreast his said debtors goodes wthin w i th in
his owne franchise , franchise, The w hi ch wch the Irishe seinge thought yt as his owne franchise, franchise , The wch w hi ch the Irishe seinge thought yt as
lawfull for them to distrayne the Townesmanes Townesmans good in the countrye lawfull for them to distrayne the Townesmans Townesmanes good in the countrye
where the they founde yt . yt. And so ensample of that grant to town townes where they the founde yt. yt . And so ensample of that grant to townes town
men , men, they thought yt lawfull and made yt an vse to distrene men, men , they thought yt lawfull and made yt an vse to distrene
one anothers goodes for small debtes . debtes, And to saye truth one anothers goodes for small debtes, debtes . And to saye truth
me thincke thinckes yt hard for everie tryfline debte of 2 2: or 3s 3 s me thinckes thincke yt hard for everie tryfline debte of 2: 2 or 3 s 3s
to be dryven to lawe : w hi ch lawe, wch is so farr from them l sometimes to be dryven to lawe, wch lawe : w hi ch is so farr from them l sometimes
to be sought , sought, for w hi ch wch me thinckes yt were an heavye ~~ - - to be sought, sought , for wch w hi ch me thinckes yt were an heavye - - ~~
ordynance to giue death especiallie to a rude man that ordynance to giue death especiallie to a rude man that
is ignorante of lawe , lawe, and thincketh a comon vse or grante is ignorante of lawe, lawe , and thincketh a comon vse or grante
to ... other another man a lawe for him self. : self: to another ... other man a lawe for him self: self. :
Eudox: Eudox : Yea but the iudge when yt com m eth before him to ~ - - Eudox : Eudox: Yea but the iudge when yt com m eth before him to - - ~
tryall , may tryall, maye easelie deside this doubte and laye open the tryall, maye tryall , may easelie deside this doubte and laye open the
intente of the lawe by his better discression . discression: intente of the lawe by his better discression: discression .
Iren: Iren : Yea but yt is dangerous to leaue the sence of a lawe Iren : Iren: Yea but yt is dangerous to leaue the sence of a lawe
vnto the reason or will of the iudge who are men and vnto the reason or will of the iudge who are men and
maye be miscarried , miscarried, by affecions , effeccons, and manye other meanes maye be miscarried, miscarried , by effeccons, affecions , and manye other meanes
But the lawes ought to bee be lyke to stonye tables , tables, plaine But the lawes ought to be bee lyke to stonye tables, tables , plaine
stedfast and ymmoveable , ymmoveable, There is also such a an other statute statut stedfast and ymmoveable, ymmoveable , There is also such an a other statut statute
or twoo w hi ch make Coi or twoe wch make, Co i gnye or lyverie to be treason , treason, noe or twoe wch make, Co i or twoo w hi ch make Coi gnye or lyverie to be treason, treason , noe
lesse inconveniente then the form er beinge as yt is penned lesse inconveniente then the form er beinge as yt is penned
how ever the first purpose thereof were expedyente , expedyente, how ever the first purpose thereof were expedyente, expedyente ,
for thereby now noe man can goe vnto anothers howse for for thereby now noe man can goe vnto anothers howse for
Lodging , Lodging, nor to his owne Tenna n ts Tenn an tes howse to take victuall Lodging, Lodging , nor to his owne Tenn an tes Tenna n ts howse to take victuall
by the waye , waye, not w i th standinge wthstandinge that there is noe other ~ by the waye, waye , not wthstandinge w i th standinge that there is noe other ~
meanes for him to haue lodginge or horsemeate nor mans meanes for him to haue lodginge or horsemeate nor mans
meate , meate, there being noe Innes , nore Inns, nor none otherwise to be meate, meate , there being noe Inns, nor Innes , nore none otherwise to be
bought for monye , monye, but that he is endangered to that bought for monye, monye , but that he is endangered to that
statute of Treason , whersoever Treason, whensoever he shall happen statute of Treason, whensoever Treason , whersoever he shall happen
to fall to fall
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to fall out w i th wth his tennant or that his said host list to complaine to fall out wth w i th his tennant or that his said host list to complaine
of grevance ; grevance, as oftentymes I haue sene them verie mali of grevance, grevance ; as oftentymes I haue sene them verie mali
ciouslie doe thorowe the least p ro vocations : vocations: ciouslie doe thorowe the least p ro vocations: vocations :
Eudox: Eudox : I doe not well knowe knowe: but by glyesse ghesse what ye doe meane Eudox : Eudox: I doe not well knowe: knowe but by ghesse glyesse what ye doe meane
by these termes of Coignye and Lyuerye , therefore I praye by these termes of Coignye and Lyuerye , therefore I praye
yow explaine them . them: yow explaine them: them .
Iren : I knowe not whether the wordes be Englishe or Irish Iren : I knowe not whether the wordes be Englishe or Irish
but I suppose them rather to be ancient Englishe , Englishe, for the but I suppose them rather to be ancient Englishe, Englishe , for the
Irishe men can make noe derivacon or anolie of them , them, Irishe men can make noe derivacon or anolie of them, them ,
what lyverie is wee by comon com m on vse doe knowe well what lyverie is wee by com m on comon vse doe knowe well
ynough that yt is allowinge allowance of horsemeate , horsemeate, as comonlye ynough that yt is allowance allowinge of horsemeate, horsemeate , as comonlye
they vse the worde in stabline , stabline, as to kepe horses at they vse the worde in stabline, stabline , as to kepe horses at
lyverie , lyverie, the w hi ch wch worde as I gyesse ghesse is deryved of lyverie, lyverie , the wch w hi ch worde as I ghesse gyesse is deryved of
lyveringe or deliu er inge forth theire nightlie foode , foode, Soe in lyveringe or deliu er inge forth theire nightlie foode, foode , Soe in
greate howses the lyverye is said to be served vpp for greate howses the lyverye is said to be served vpp for
all night , night, that is theire nightlye ^ evininge allowence Eveninges allowance of drincke . all night, night , that is theire nightlye Eveninges allowance ^ evininge allowence of drincke .
And lyverie is also called the proper garment w hi ch wch And lyverie is also called the proper garment wch w hi ch
a servingman weareth , weareth, so called as I suppose , suppose, for that yt a servingman weareth, weareth , so called as I suppose, suppose , for that yt
was deliu er ed at taken from him at pleasure : pleasure: So yt is was deliu er ed at taken from him at pleasure: pleasure : So yt is
apparente apparante that by the worde Lyverie , wordes Lyverie, is there mente apparante apparente that by the wordes Lyverie, worde Lyverie , is there mente
horsmeate horsmeate, lyke as by Coigny , is vnderstoode mans meate horsmeate, horsmeate lyke as by Coigny , is vnderstoode mans meate
But whence the worde is deryved ys verie harde to tell. tell: But whence the worde is deryved ys verie harde to tell: tell.
Some saye of coyne , coyne, for that they vsed Comodytie in theire Some saye of coyne, coyne , for that they vsed Comodytie in theire
Coignies , but not onelye to take meate but Coyne also . also: Coignies , but not onelye to take meate but Coyne also: also .
and that that takinge of monie monye was speciallie meante and that that takinge of monye monie was speciallie meante
to be prohibited by that statute . statute: But I thincke rather that to be prohibited by that statute: statute . But I thincke rather that
this worde word Coignye is deryved of the Irishe . Irishe, The w hi ch is wch is this word worde Coignye is deryved of the Irishe, Irishe . The wch is w hi ch is
com m on vse amongst the Irishe Landlordes Land Lordes to haue a Com m on com m on vse amongst the Irishe Land Lordes Landlordes to haue a Com m on
spendinge amonge vpon theire tennantes , ffor theire, tennantes, For all theire spendinge amonge vpon theire, tennantes, For theire tennantes , ffor all theire
tennantes beinge comonlye but Tennantes Tennauntes at will , will, they tennantes beinge comonlye but Tennauntes Tennantes at will, will , they
vse to take of them what victualles victuall they liste : ffor of liste: For of vse to take of them what victuall victualles they liste: For of liste : ffor of
victualles victualls they were wounte to make small reckoninge , reckoninge, victualls victualles they were wounte to make small reckoninge, reckoninge ,
neyther in this was the tennantes wronged , tennante wronged, for yt was an neyther in this was the tennante wronged, tennantes wronged , for yt was an
ordynarie ordynarie
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an ordynarie and knowen custome , Custome, and his Lord Comonlye vsed so to to- an ordynarie and knowen Custome, custome , and his Lord Comonlye vsed so to- to
Covenante w i th him , w hi ch wth him, wch yf at anye tyme the tennant dislyked Covenante wth him, wch w i th him , w hi ch yf at anye tyme the tennant dislyked
he might frelye dep ar te at his pleasure . pleasure, But now by this he might frelye dep ar te at his pleasure, pleasure . But now by this
statute the Irishe Lord is wronged for that he is Cutt of statute the Irishe Lord is wronged for that he is Cutt of
from his Customarie servyces , as servyces, of the w hi ch wch this was one besyd es one, besyde from his Customarie servyces, of servyces , as the wch w hi ch this was one, besyde one besyd es
manye other of the lyke , lyke, as Cuddie Cossherie , Bonnaght, Cuddie, Cossherie, Bonnagh , manye other of the lyke, lyke , as Cuddie, Cossherie, Bonnagh , Cuddie Cossherie , Bonnaght,
Sragh , Sragh, forehin and such others , others, the w hi ch wch I thincke at firste Sragh, Sragh , forehin and such others, others , the wch w hi ch I thincke at firste
were Customes brought in by the Englishe vpon the Irishe, were Customes brought in by the Englishe vpon the Irishe,
the w hi ch wch were never wonte , wonte, and yett are loath to yeild any the wch w hi ch were never wonte, wonte , and yett are loath to yeild any
Certaine rente , rente, but onelye such spendinges . ffor spendinges. For there Certaine rente, rente , but onelye such spendinges. For spendinges . ffor there
Comon sayinge , sayinge, is Spende me and defende me : me: Comon sayinge, sayinge , is Spende me and defende me: me :
Eudox: Eudox : Surelie I take it yt as yow saye , saye, that therein there in the Irishe Eudox : Eudox: Surelie I take yt it as yow saye, saye , that there in therein the Irishe
Lorde Lord, hath wronge since yt was an ancyent Custome and Lord, Lorde hath wronge since yt was an ancyent Custome and
nothinge Contrarie to lawe , lawe, for to the willinge there nothinge Contrarie to lawe, lawe , for to the willinge there
is noe wronge done . done, And this right well I wote that is noe wronge done, done . And this right well I wote that
even here in England there are in manye places places, as even here in England there are in manye places, places as
large Customes as that of Coygnie and lyverye lyverye. But large Customes as that of Coygnie and lyverye. lyverye But
I suppose by yo u r yor speach that yt was the first meaning I suppose by yor yo u r speach that yt was the first meaning
of the state to forbydd the vyolente taking of vyctualles vyctualls of the state to forbydd the vyolente taking of vyctualls vyctualles
vppon vpon other mens tennantes , tennantes, against theire wylls w hi ch wch vpon vppon other mens tennantes, tennantes , against theire wylls wch w hi ch
surely surelye is a greate outrage , agreate outrage, and yett not so greate mee surelye surely is agreate outrage, a greate outrage , and yett not so greate mee
seemes as that yt should be made treason : ffor treason: For consideringe seemes as that yt should be made treason: For treason : ffor consideringe
their that the nature of treason is concerninge the royall that their the nature of treason is concerninge the royall
estate of or p er son of the prince or practizinge w i th wth his estate of or p er son of the prince or practizinge wth w i th his
enymies , enymies, to the derogacon and danger of his Crowne enymies, enymies , to the derogacon and danger of his Crowne
and dignitye , dignitye, yt is hardlie wrested to make this ~~ - - and dignitye, dignitye , yt is hardlie wrested to make this - - ~~
treason , treason, But as yow erst said Better a mischeif then an an: treason, treason , But as yow erst said Better a mischeif then an: an
inconuenience : inconuenienc: inconuenienc: inconuenience :
Iren: Iren : w hi ch Another statute I remember remember: wch havinge bene an Iren Iren: Another statute I remember: wch remember : w hi ch havinge bene an
ancyent Irish Custome , Custome, is now vpon advizm en t made an ancyent Irish Custome, Custome , is now vpon advizm en t made an
Englishe lawe , lawe, and that is called the Custome of ~~ - - Englishe lawe, lawe , and that is called the Custome of - - ~~
kincongish Kincougish , w hi ch wch is that everie head of everye sept every septe Kincougish kincongish , wch w hi ch is that everie head of every septe everye sept
and eu er ie cheif of eu er ie of kyndred kyndrid or famillie should and eu er ie cheif of eu er ie of kyndrid kyndred or famillie should
be required Eu Eudox : be required Eudox : Eu
Folio 22r Eudox : Whie surelie this semes averye necessarie lawe, Folio 22r Eudox : Whie surelie this semes averye necessarie lawe,
22 for Considringe that manye of them be such losells, and for Considringe that manye of them be such losells, and 22
Eudox: Whie surelie this semes a verye necessarie lawe, scatterlinges, as that they cannot easelye by any sherif scatterlinges, as that they cannot easelye by any sherif Eudox: Whie surelie this semes a verye necessarie lawe,
for Considringe that manye of them be such loselles , and for Considringe that manye of them be such loselles , and
scatterlinges as that they cannot easelye by any sherif scatterlinges as that they cannot easelye by any sherif
Constable Baliffe or other ordynarie offycer bee gotten Constable Baliffe or other ordynarie offycer bee gotten
when they are Challenged , Challenged, for any such facte , facte, this when they are Challenged, Challenged , for any such facte, facte , this
is a verie good meanes to gett them to be brought in is a verie good meanes to gett them to be brought in
by him . him, that is the head or chief cheif of the septe or chief cheif by him, him . that is the head or cheif chief of the septe or cheif chief
of that howse , howse, wherefore I wounder what deepe of that howse, howse , wherefore I wounder what deepe
exception yet yee can make against the same : same: exception yee yet can make against the same: same :
Iren: Iren Trewe Eudox: Edox: in the p re tence of the good of this Iren Iren: Trewe Edox: Eudox: in the p re tence of the good of this
Statute yee haue nothinge erred for yt semeth seemeth verie Statute yee haue nothinge erred for yt seemeth semeth verie
expedyente and necessarie necessarie: But the hurte w hi ch wch com m eth expedyente and necessarie: necessarie But the hurte wch w hi ch com m eth
thereby is greater then the good . ffor good: For whilst everie thereby is greater then the good: For good . ffor whilst everie
cheif of a septe standeth so bounde to the lawe , lawe, for cheif of a septe standeth so bounde to the lawe, lawe , for
eu er ie man that is oft of his bloode bloude or septe that is vnder eu er ie man that is of oft his bloude bloode or septe that is vnder
him inclusiue eu er ie one of his septe is put vnder him him inclusiue eu er ie one of his septe is put vnder him
and he made greate by the comaunding of them all : all: and he made greate by the comaunding of them all: all :
ffor For yf he maye not com m aunde them , them, then that lawe For ffor yf he maye not com m aunde them, them , then that lawe
doth wronge that byndeth him to bringe them forthe doth wronge that byndeth him to bringe them forthe
to be iustefied , iustefied, and yf he maye com m aund com r OB them then he to be iustefied, iustefied , and yf he maye com m aund r OB com them then he
maye comaund them aswell to yll as to good , good, here by maye comaund them aswell to yll as to good, good , here by
the Lordes and Captaines of the Countryes , Countryes, the princypalls the Lordes and Captaines of the Countryes, Countryes , the princypalls
and heades of septes are made stronger , stronger, whom yt and heades of septes are made stronger, stronger , whom yt
should bee be a . OB most speciall care cace in pollycie to ~ should be bee a OB . most speciall cace care in pollycie to ~
weaken and to putt sett vpp and strengthen dyverse of his weaken and to sett putt vpp and strengthen dyverse of his
vnderlinges against him , w hi ch him, wch whensoever he shall vnderlinges against him, wch him , w hi ch whensoever he shall
offer to swarue from duetye , duetye, maye bee able to beard offer to swarue from duetye, duetye , maye bee able to beard
him . ffor For yt is verye dangerous to leaue the Comaund Com m aund him For . ffor yt is verye dangerous to leaue the Com m aund Comaund
of so manye as some septes are , are, beinge v v: or vj thowsand of so manye as some septes are, are , beinge v: v or vj thowsand
p er sons sons, to the will of one man , man, who maye leade . h p er sons, sons to the will of one man, man , who maye leade h .
them to what he will as he him self is inclyned them to what he will as he him self is inclyned
Eudox: In verie Eudox: In verie
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Eudox: Eudox : In verie deed Irenius yt is verie dangerous especiallie Eudox : Eudox: In verie deed Irenius yt is verie dangerous especiallie
seinge the disposition of those people , people, not alwaies inclynable seinge the disposition of those people, people , not alwaies inclynable
to the best , best, And therefore I hould yt noe wysdome to leaue to the best, best , And therefore I hould yt noe wysdome to leaue
vnto them to much comaund unite com m aund over their kynred , theire kynred, but rather vnto them to unite com m aund much comaund over theire kynred, their kynred , but rather
to w hi ch wth drawe theire followers from them as much as maye to wth w hi ch drawe theire followers from them as much as maye
bee , bee, and to gather them vnder the Comaund Com m aund of lawe Lawe by bee, bee , and to gather them vnder the Com m aund Comaund of Lawe lawe by
some better meane , meane, then this Custome of kinconghish Kinconghish some better meane, meane , then this Custome of Kinconghish kinconghish
the w hi ch wch worde I would bee glad to knowe what yt namely the wch w hi ch worde I would bee glad to knowe what yt namely
signifieth , signifieth, for the meaninge thereof , thereof, I seme to vnderstand signifieth, signifieth , for the meaninge thereof, thereof , I seme to vnderstand
reasonable well : well: reasonable well: well :
Iren: Iren : It is a word mingled of Englishe and Irishe togeather Iren : Iren: It is a word mingled of Englishe and Irishe togeather
so as I am p ar telye ledd to thincke that the Custome thereof so as I am p ar telye ledd to thincke that the Custome thereof
was first Englishe and after wardes Irishe , afterwardes Irishe, for such an was first Englishe and afterwardes Irishe, after wardes Irishe , for such an
other lawe they had here in England as I remember other lawe they had here in England as I remember
made by kinge Kinge Alred Alured , that everie gentilman gentleman made by Kinge kinge Alred Alured , that everie gentleman gentilman
should contynewallie bringe forth his kynred and followers should contynewallie bringe forth his kynred and followers
to the lawe, So, kyn Kyn : is Englishe and Conghish ~~ –- to the lawe, So, Kyn : kyn is Englishe and Conghish –- ~~
signifieth affynitie in Irishe . Irishe: signifieth affynitie in Irishe: Irishe .
Eudox: Eudox : Sythe then that wee haue thus reasonablie handled Eudox : Eudox: Sythe then that wee haue thus reasonablie handled
the inconveniences in the lawes lawes, lett vs now passe vnto the inconveniences in the lawes, lawes lett vs now passe vnto
yo u r yor seconde p ar te , w hi ch te, wch was as I remember of the abuses yor yo u r seconde p ar te, wch te , w hi ch was as I remember of the abuses
of the Customes , Customes, in w hi ch wch mee seemes ye haue a faire Cham of Customes, the Customes , in wch w hi ch mee seemes ye haue a faire Cham
pyon laide open vnto yow yow, in w hi ch wch yee maye at large pyon laide open vnto yow, yow in wch w hi ch yee maye at large
stretch out yo u r discourse , yor discourse, into manye many sweete remembrances stretch out yor discourse, yo u r discourse , into many manye sweete remembrances
of antyquities , antyquities, from whence yt seemes seemeth that the Customes of antyquities, antyquities , from whence yt seemeth seemes that the Customes
of that nation p ro ceded of that nation p ro ceded
Iren: Iren : Indeed Eudox : yow saye verie true , true, for all the Custo Iren : Iren: Indeed Eudox : yow saye verie true, true , for all the Custo
mes of the Irishe w hi ch wch I haue verie often noted and mes of the Irishe wch w hi ch I haue verie often noted and
Compared w i th wth that I haue redd would minister ~ Compared wth w i th that I haue redd would minister ~
occasyon of most ample discourse of the first oridginall occasyon of most ample discourse of the first oridginall
of them , of them, and the Antiquitie of that people w hi ch wch in of them, of them , and the Antiquitie of that people wch w hi ch in
truth I doe thincke to bee more auncyent , auncyent, then most truth I doe thincke to bee more auncyent, auncyent , then most
that I that I
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23 that I h knowe in this end of the world, so as yf that I h knowe in this end of the world, so as yf 23
that I h knowe in this end of the world , so as yf that I h knowe in this end of the world , so as yf
it were in the handlinge of some man of sound it were in the handlinge of some man of sound
iudgment and plentifull reading yt would bee most iudgment and plentifull reading yt would bee most
pleasante and profytable , profytable, But yt maye bee, wee pleasante and profytable, profytable , But yt maye bee, wee
maye at some other tyme of metinge , metinge, take occa maye at some other tyme of metinge, metinge , take occa
sion to treate thereof more at large , large, here sion to treate thereof more at large, large , here
onelie yt shall suffice to touch such Customes of onelie yt shall suffice to touch such Customes of
the Irishe as seme offensyve and repugnante the Irishe as seme offensyve and repugnante
to the good gou er ern ment of that Coun realme : Com m on realme: to the good gou ern er ment of that Com m on realme: Coun realme :
Eudox: ffollowe Eudox : Followe then yo u r yor owne course for I Eudox : Followe Eudox: ffollowe then yor yo u r owne course for I
shall the better contente my self , self, to for beare forbeare shall the better contente my self, self , to forbeare for beare
my desyre , desyre, nowe in hope that yow will as yow my desyre, desyre , nowe in hope that yow will as yow
saye aboundantlye satisfye yt : yt: saye aboundantlye satisfye yt: yt :
Iren: Iren : Before wee enter into unto the treatise of Iren : Iren: Before wee enter unto into the treatise of
there theire Customes yt is first needfull to consider theire there Customes yt is first needfull to consider
from whence they spronge . spronge, for from the from whence they spronge, spronge . for from the
sondrye manners mannors of the nations , nations, from whence sondrye mannors manners of the nations, nations , from whence
that people w hi ch wch are nowe called Irishe that people wch w hi ch are nowe called Irishe
were deuided , deuided, some of the Customes w hi ch wch now were deuided, deuided , some of the Customes wch w hi ch now
remaine amongst them haue bene fetchched , fetcht, and remaine amongst them haue bene fetcht, fetchched , and
since they haue bene contynewed amongest them since they haue bene contynewed amongest them
ffor For not of one Nacion was that people For ffor not of one Nacion was that people
as yt is, but of soundrie people of different as yt is, but of soundrie people of different
condycions and manners , mannors, But the cheif w hi ch wch condycions and mannors, manners , But the cheif wch w hi ch
haue first possessed and inhabited yt , Inhabited yt, I suppose haue first possessed and Inhabited yt, inhabited yt , I suppose
ti to bee Scythians , w hi ch Scythians, wch at such tyme as the to ti bee Scythians, wch Scythians , w hi ch at such tyme as the
Northerne Nations overflowed all Christendome , Christendome, Northerne Nations overflowed all Christendome, Christendome ,
came downe from to the Sea coast , coast, where came downe from to the Sea coast, coast , where
enquiring for other Countries abroad and enquiring for other Countries abroad and
getting intelligence of this Countrie of getting intelligence of this Countrie of
Ireland Ireland
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Irelande fyndinge shippinge convenient , convenient, passed Irelande fyndinge shippinge convenient, convenient , passed
over thither and aryved in the North p ar te over thither and aryved in the North p ar te
thereof w hi ch wch is now called Ulster w hi ch Vlster wch thereof wch w hi ch is now called Vlster wch Ulster w hi ch
first inhabytinge , inhabytinge, and afterwardes stret first inhabytinge, inhabytinge , and afterwardes stret
chinge them selues forth into the land as chinge them selues forth into the land as
theire nombers increased , increased, named yt all theire nombers increased, increased , named yt all
of them selues Scuttenland , w hi ch wch more brei of them selues Scuttenland , wch w hi ch more brei
flie felie is called Scutlande of Scotland . Scotland. felie flie is called Scutlande of Scotland. Scotland .
Eudox: Eudox : I wounder Irenius whether yow rnn? run Eudox : Eudox: I wounder Irenius whether yow run rnn?
run so farr astraye , astraye, for whilst wee talke run so farr astraye, astraye , for whilst wee talke
of Ireland mee thincke thinkes yow rippe vpp the of Ireland mee thinkes thincke yow rippe vpp the
originall of Scotland , Scotland, but what is originall of Scotland, Scotland , but what is
that to this : this: that to this: this :
Eudox Iren Surelie verie much . much, for Scotland and Ireland Eudox Iren Surelie verie much, much . for Scotland and Ireland
are one and the same : same: are one and the same: same :
Eudox: Eudox : That semeth more strange for wee Eudox : Eudox: That semeth more strange for wee
all knowe righte well , well, that they are all knowe righte well, well , that they are
distinguished w i th a greate wth agreate sea runninge distinguished wth agreate w i th a greate sea runninge
betwene them them, or ells there are twoe Scotlandes betwene them, them or ells there are twoe Scotlandes
Iren: Neverthemore lesse Neverthe more lesse, are there twoe Scotlandes Iren: Neverthe more lesse, Neverthemore lesse are there twoe Scotlandes
but twoe kyndes of Scotes , Scotes, there weree but twoe kyndes of Scotes, Scotes , there weree
in deed as yee maye gather out of Bucha in deed as yee maye gather out of Bucha
nam , the one Irine of or Irishe Scots , Scotes, thother nam , the one Irine of or Irishe Scotes, Scots , thother
Albyne Scotes , Scotes, for those Scotes or Scythians Albyne Scotes, Scotes , for those Scotes or Scythians
arrived (as I suppose , in the North p ar te tes of þ a y t arrived (as I suppose , in the North p ar tes te of y þ a t
Ilande , Ilande, where some of them afterwarde afterwardes passed Ilande, Ilande , where some of them afterwardes afterwarde passed
into the next Coast of Albyne now called into the next Coast of Albyne now called
Scotland w hi ch wch after much trouble they possessed Scotland wch w hi ch after much trouble they possessed
and of and of
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24 and of themselues named yt Scotland, but in p ro cesse and of themselues named yt Scotland, but in p ro cesse 24
of them selues named yt Scotland , but in Cresse tyme as ys comenlie seene, the denominacon and of tyme as ys comenlie seene, the denominacon them selues named yt Scotland , but in Cresse
of tyme as ys comenlie seene , the denominacon the p ar te p re valed in the whole. for the of the p ar te p re valed in the whole. for the tyme as ys comenlie seene , the denominacon
of the p ar te p re valed in the whole . for the of the p ar te p re valed in the whole . for the
Irishe Scottes puttinge awaye the names Irishe Scottes puttinge awaye the names
of Scotes were Called onelye Irishe , Irishe, and of Scotes were Called onelye Irishe, Irishe , and
the Albyn Scotes leavinge the name of Albyn , Albyn, the Albyn Scotes leavinge the name of Albyn, Albyn ,
were called only Scottes . onely Scottes, Therefore were called onely Scottes, only Scottes . Therefore
yt com m eth that of some wryters ^ that Iland yt com m eth that of some wryters ^ that Iland
is called Scotia maior , and that w hi ch wch now is is called Scotia maior , and that wch w hi ch now is
named Scotland , Scotland, is called Scotia minor named Scotland, Scotland , is called Scotia minor
Eudox: I doe now well remember understand vnderstand Eudox: I doe now well remember vnderstand understand
yo u r yor distinguishing of the twoe sortes of yor yo u r distinguishing of the twoe sortes of
Scotes and two Scotlandes . Scotlandes, how that this Scotes and two Scotlandes, Scotlandes . how that this
w hi ch wch is now called Ireland was ancyentlie wch w hi ch is now called Ireland was ancyentlie
called Irine and afterwardes of some called Irine and afterwardes of some
written Scotland , Scotland, and that w hi ch wch was form er lie li e is now called written Scotland, Scotland , and that wch w hi ch is now was form er li e lie called
Scotland is was form er lie called Albyne Scotland is was form er lie called Albyne
before the Comminge of the Scuttes thither . thither, before the Comminge of the Scuttes thither, thither .
But what other nations inhabyted in habyted thother But what other nations in habyted inhabyted thother
p ar te tes of Ireland : Ireland: p ar tes te of Ireland: Ireland :
Iren: After this people thus planted or Iren: After this people thus planted or
in the northe north or before before, (for the Certaintie in the north northe or before, before (for the Certaintie
of tymes in thinges so farr from all know of tymes in thinges so farr from all know
ledge cannot bee iustlie avouched ) avouched) an ledge cannot bee iustlie avouched) avouched ) an
other nacon cominge of Cominge o OB out of Spaine other nacon Cominge o OB cominge of out of Spaine
aryved in the west p ar te of Ireland , Ireland, and aryved in the west p ar te of Ireland, Ireland , and
fynding e yt waste . weakelie in habited , habited, fynding e yt waste . weakelie in habited, habited ,
possessed of yt possessed yt of
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possessed yt who whither they were ~ possessed yt who whither they were ~
natiue Spanyardes or Gaules or Africans natiue Spanyardes or Gaules or Africans
or Goathes , or Goathes, or some of those Northerne Na N or Goathes, or Goathes , or some of those Northerne N Na
Nations w hi ch wch did over spr oversp r ead all Christendome , Christendome, Nations wch w hi ch did oversp r over spr ead all Christendome, Christendome ,
It is ympossible to affyrme onelye some It is ympossible to affyrme onelye some
naked . OB coniectures maye be gathered , bee gathered, but naked OB . coniectures maye bee gathered, be gathered , but
that out of Spaine certainelie they came , came, that out of Spaine certainelie they came, came ,
that doe all the Irishe Chronicles Cronicles agree ~~ - - that doe all the Irishe Cronicles Chronicles agree - - ~~
Eudox: Yow doe verie boldlie Irenius venture Eudox: Yow doe verie boldlie Irenius venture
vpon the histories of ancient tymes and vpon the histories of ancient tymes and
leane too confydentlie confydentelie vnto those Irishe ~ leane too confydentelie confydentlie vnto those Irishe ~
Chroniclees w hi ch Croniclees wch are most fabulous and Croniclees wch Chroniclees w hi ch are most fabulous and
forged , forged, in that out of them , them, yee dare take forged, forged , in that out of them, them , yee dare take
in hand , hand, to laye open the originall so fo in hand, hand , to laye open the originall fo so
of a Nation so antique , antique, as that noe monum en t of a Nation so antique, antique , as that noe monum en t
remayneth of her begynninge begynning and inha remayneth of her begynning begynninge and inha
byting there . OB speciallie havinge bene alwaes alwaies byting there OB . speciallie havinge bene alwaies alwaes
w i thout wthout l et res , ett res, but onelye bare tradytions of tymes wthout w i thout l ett res, et res , but onelye bare tradytions of tymes
and remembrances of bardes , w hi ch bardes, wch vse to and remembrances of bardes, wch bardes , w hi ch vse to
forge and falsifye everye thinge as theye forge and falsifye everye thinge as theye
liste to please or displease any man , man,: liste to please or displease any man,: man ,
Iren: Iren : Trewlie I must confesse I doe soo soe, but yett not Iren : Iren: Trewlie I must confesse I doe soe, soo but yett not
so absolutelie , absolutelie, as yee suppose I doe here in ~ so absolutelie, absolutelie , as yee suppose I doe here in ~
relye vpon those bardes or Irishe Cronicles relye vpon those bardes or Irishe Cronicles
though the Irishe them selues through theire though the Irishe them selues through theire
ignorance in matters of learninge and ignorance in matters of learninge and
deepe deepe
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deepe Iudgmente judgmente doe most constantlie beleaue them deepe judgmente Iudgmente doe most constantlie beleaue them
and avouch them , them, But vnto them besydes , besydes, I add and avouch them, them , But vnto them besydes, besydes , I add
my owne readinge and out of them both togeather my owne readinge and out of them both togeather
w i thout complarison of tymes , wthout comparrison of tymes, lykenes of mann er s wthout comparrison of tymes, w i thout complarison of tymes , lykenes of mann er s
and customes , customes, affinitie of wordes , wordes, OB & names , names, and customes, customes , affinitie of wordes, OB wordes , & names, names ,
prop er ties of Natures and vses resemblances prop er ties of Natures and vses resemblances
of rightes and ceremonies monum en t es tes of Churches of rightes and ceremonies monum en tes t es of Churches
and Tombes , and Tombes, and manye other lyke Circumstances and Tombes, and Tombes , and manye other lyke Circumstances
I doe gather a likeliehoode alikeliehoode of truth not certenlie affir I doe gather alikeliehoode a likeliehoode of truth not certenlie affir
minge , minge, any thinge but by conferringe of tymes , tymes, languages minge, minge , any thinge but by conferringe of tymes, tymes , languages
monum en t es tes and such like , like, I doe hunte hinte out a probabillitie of thinges monum en tes t es and such like, like , I doe hinte hunte out a probabillitie of thinges
w hi ch wch I leaue vnto yo u r yor iudgm en t to beleaue or refute , refuise, Neverthelesse wch w hi ch I leaue vnto yor yo u r iudgm en t to beleaue or refuise, refute , Neverthelesse
there bee some verie aunciente Authors , w hi ch Authors, wch make menc i on there bee some verie aunciente Authors, wch Authors , w hi ch make menc i on
of those thinges , thinges, and some moderne , w hi ch moderne, wch by comparinge of of those thinges, thinges , and some moderne, wch moderne , w hi ch by comparinge of
them w i th wth the p re sente tymes experience and there owne them wth w i th the p re sente tymes experience and there owne
reason reason, doe open a windowe of greate light vnto the rest reason, reason doe open a windowe of greate light vnto the rest
that is yett vnseene . vnseene, as namelie of the oulder Cesar that is yett vnseene, vnseene . as namelie of the oulder Cesar
Strabo Tacitus Ptolomie Plinnie , Pompeus , Plinnie, Pompeus, Mela & Berosus Strabo Tacitus Ptolomie Plinnie, Pompeus, Plinnie , Pompeus , Mela & Berosus
of the latter , Vincentius , Æneas Siluius Lutt Aneas Siluius, Lu OB Luddus of the latter , Vincentius Aneas Siluius, Lu OB , Æneas Siluius Lutt Luddus
& Buckhanan , of all w hi ch wch I doe giue most Credite & Buckhanan , of all wch w hi ch I doe giue most Credite
vnto Buckynan Buckhanam that he him self beinge an Irishe scott , scott, vnto Buckhanam Buckynan that he him self beinge an Irishe scott, scott ,
or Pike by nation , nation, and being beinge verie excellentelie or Pike by nation, nation , and beinge being verie excellentelie
learned and industrious to seeke oute the truth of these learned and industrious to seeke oute the truth of these
thinges concerninge the originall of his owne people , people, hath thinges concerninge the originall of his owne people, people , hath
both sett downe the testymonies of the Auncientes trulie , trulie, and his both sett downe the testymonies of the Auncientes trulie, trulie , and his
owne opynion ^ w i th all wthall verie reasonablie , reasonablie, though in some thinges he doth owne opynion wthall ^ w i th all verie reasonablie, reasonablie , though in some thinges he doth
somewhat flatter . flatter: Besides the Bardes and Irishe Cronicles somewhat flatter: flatter . Besides the Bardes and Irishe Cronicles
them selues , selues, though through throughe desyre of pleasing pleasinge p er happs to too them selues, selues , though throughe through desyre of pleasinge pleasing p er happs too to
much and ignorance of arte and pure learninge , learninge, they haue much and ignorance of arte and pure learninge, learninge , they haue
concluded the truth of those tymes , tymes, yett there appearethe concluded the truth of those tymes, tymes , yett there appearethe
amongst them some reliques of the true antiquitie , antiquitie, though amongst them some reliques of the true antiquitie, antiquitie , though
disguised, w hi ch wth a well eyde man may happelye discou er disguised, wth w hi ch a well eyde man may happelye discou er
and fynde out : out: and fynde out: out :
Eudox: How can there bee any truth in them at all since Eudox: How can there bee any truth in them at all since
the Auncient Aunciente nations w hi ch wch first in habited inhabited Ireland were the Aunciente Auncient nations wch w hi ch first inhabited in habited Ireland were
altogeather altogeather
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altogeather destitute of l et ett res much more of learninge , learninge, by w hi ch wch altogeather destitute of l ett et res much more of learninge, learninge , by wch w hi ch
they mighte leaue the veritie of thinges written , written, And those they mighte leaue the veritie of thinges written, written , And those
bardes cominge also so manie hundred yeres after could not knowe bardes cominge also so manie hundred yeres after could not knowe
what was done in form er ages , ages, nor deliu er certaintie of anie thinges thinge what was done in form er ages, ages , nor deliu er certaintie of anie thinge thinges
but what they fayned out of theire owne vnlearned heades : heades: but what they fayned out of theire owne vnlearned heades: heades :
Iren Those bardes indeed Caesar writeth , Cæsar writeth, deliu er noe certaine Iren Those bardes indeed Cæsar writeth, Caesar writeth , deliu er noe certaine
truth of any thinge neither neyther is there anye certaine hold to truth of any thinge neyther neither is there anye certaine hold to
bee taken of any Antiquitie w hi ch wch is rereceyued by tradicon , tradicon, bee taken of any Antiquitie wch w hi ch is rereceyued by tradicon, tradicon ,
since all men bee lyers and maye lye when they will but since all men bee lyers and maye lye when they will but
yet for Auncientnes of the written Cronicles of Ireland , Ireland, yet for Auncientnes of the written Cronicles of Ireland, Ireland ,
giue me leaue to saye somethinge not to them iustifie iustefie them, but giue me leaue to saye somethinge not to them iustefie iustifie them, but
to tshow show that some of them might saye truth , ffor truth, For where to show tshow that some of them might saye truth, For truth , ffor where
yee saye that the Irishe haue alwaies bene w i th out wthout l et res , yee ett res, yee yee saye that the Irishe haue alwaies bene wthout w i th out l ett res, yee et res , yee
are there in therein much deceaued , deceaued, for yt is certaine that Ireland are therein there in much deceaued, deceaued , for yt is certaine that Ireland
hath hadh had the vse of l et ett res verie auncyentlie and longe before hath had hadh the vse of l ett et res verie auncyentlie and longe before
England. England: England: England.
Eudox: Is yt possible, how comes yt then that they are soe Eudox: Is yt possible, how comes yt then that they are soe
so barbarous still and so vnlearned vnlearned, beinge so old scollers ffor scollers: For so barbarous still and so vnlearned, vnlearned beinge so old scollers: For scollers ffor
learninge as the poet sayth : Poet sayth: Emollit mores nec sinit esse feros learninge as the Poet sayth: poet sayth : Emollit mores nec sinit esse feros
whence then I praye yow could yow haue those l et res :: ett res:: whence then I praye yow could yow haue those l ett res:: et res ::
Iren: Iren : It is hard to saye for whether they at there first Iren : Iren: It is hard to saye for whether they at there first
marginal letter? cominge com m inge into the land , land, or afterwardes by tradinge w i th wth other com m inge marginal letter? cominge into the land, land , or afterwardes by tradinge wth w i th other
nacons w hi ch wch had l et res , ett res, learned them of them , them, or deuised the m nacons wch w hi ch had l ett res, et res , learned them of them, them , or deuised the m
amongest them selues selues, yt is verie doubtfull doubtfull: but that they had amongest them selues, selues yt is verie doubtfull: doubtfull but that they had
l et ett res auncientlie , auncientlie, It is nothinge doubtfull, doubt full, for the ~~ -- l ett et res auncientlie, auncientlie , It is nothinge doubt full, doubtfull, for the -- ~~
Saxons of England are said to haue theire l et ett res and learning Saxons of England are said to haue theire l ett et res and learning
and learned men , men, from the Irishe . Irishe, and that also appeareth and learned men, men , from the Irishe, Irishe . and that also appeareth
by the lykenes of the Carracter , Carracter, for the Saxons character charracter by the lykenes of the Carracter, Carracter , for the Saxons charracter character
is the same w hi ch the Irishe , wth the Irishe, Now the Scythians neu er as I can read is the same wth the Irishe, w hi ch the Irishe , Now the Scythians neu er as I can read
of ould, had l et ett res amongst them , them, for yt semeth that they had them from the of ould, had l ett et res amongst them, them , for yt semeth that they had them from the
nacon w hi ch wch came out of spaine , spaine, for in Spaine there was as as, (Strabo nacon wch w hi ch came out of spaine, spaine , for in Spaine there was as, as (Strabo
writeth l et ett res auncentlie vsed , vsed, whether brought into them by the ~~ -- writeth l ett et res auncentlie vsed, vsed , whether brought into them by the -- ~~
Phenicians Phen OB cians or the Parsians w hi ch wch, (as yt appeareth by him ) him) had same some Phen OB cians Phenicians or the Parsians wch, w hi ch (as yt appeareth by him) him ) had some same
footinge there , there, or from Marsiles , w hi ch Marsiles, wch is said to haue bene inhabited footinge there, there , or from Marsiles, wch Marsiles , w hi ch is said to haue bene inhabited
by the Greekes , Greekes, and from them to haue had the Greeke charracter by the Greekes, Greekes , and from them to haue had the Greeke charracter
of the w hi ch Marsilianes wch Marsilianus It is said , said, that the Gaules learned them them, first of the wch Marsilianus w hi ch Marsilianes It is said, said , that the Gaules learned them, them first
and vsed onelie for the fartherance furtherance of there trades and private businesse busynesse and vsed onelie for the furtherance fartherance of there trades and private busynesse businesse
for the Gaules (as is stronglie to bee proued by many ancyent and verie for the Gaules (as is stronglie to bee proued by many ancyent and verie
athenticall writers ) writers) did first in habite inhabite all the sea cost of Spaine even athenticall writers) writers ) did first inhabite in habite all the sea cost of Spaine even
vnto Cales & the mouth of the straighte straightes and peopled also a great agreat p ar te of vnto Cales & the mouth of the straightes straighte and peopled also agreat a great p ar te of
Italie OB OB Italie
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26 Italie wch appeareth by sundrye cytties and havens in Spaine, called of them, Italie wch appeareth by sundrye cytties and havens in Spaine, called of them, 26
Italie w hi ch appeareth as Portingallia, Gallecia, Galdun um , called of them and havens in Spaine also by sundrye cytties sondrye nacons therein as Portingallia, Gallecia, Galdun um Italie w hi ch appeareth by sondrye nacons therein sundrye cytties and also havens in Spaine , called of them
dwellinge, wch yet haue reserued there owne names of the h Gaules : as Portugallia , Gallecia, Galduu m , and also by sondrye nacons therein as Portugallia , Gallecia, Galduu m , and also by sondrye nacons therein
the G Gaules , as Rhegine Presamarie Tamariti Nerij and dyverse others. All wch dwellinge, w hi ch yet haue it serued there owne names of the Rhegine Presamarie Tamariti Nerij and dyverse others. All wch G Gaules , as
the Rhegine Presamarie Tumariti Nerij and dyverse others . All w hi ch Pompeus Mela : beinge him self a Spanyard, yet saith to haue Pompeus Mela : beinge him self a Spanyard, yet saith to haue the Rhegine Presamarie Tumariti Nerij and dyverse others . All w hi ch
Pompeus Mela beinge him self a Spanyard discended from the Colties of France , yet saith whereby it is to haue be gathered, that discended from the Colties of France Pompeus Mela beinge him self a Spanyard , whereby it is yet saith to be gathered, that haue
that nation wch came out of france , whoereby it is to be gathered , Spaine into Ireland were antientlie discended from the Colties of Spaine into Ireland were antientlie france , whoereby it is to be gathered , that nation wch came out
Gaules, and that nation w hi ch came out of Spaine into Ireland were autientlie they brought wth them those l ett res wch they had lear that they brought wth them those l ett res wch they had lear nation w hi ch came out of Spaine into Ireland were autientlie
Gaules , and that they brought w i th them those l et res w hi ch they had lear ned in Spaine, first into Ireland, the wch some also saye doe much ned in Spaine, first into Ireland, the wch some also saye doe much Gaules , and that they brought w i th them those l et res w hi ch they had lear
ned in Spaine , first into Ireland , resemble the w hi ch some also saye doe much old Phenetian Character, beinge likwise distinguished resemble ned in Spaine , first into Ireland , the old Phenetian Character, beinge likwise distinguished w hi ch some also saye doe much
resemble wth pricke and accent, as theires ancientlie, but the old Phenetian character , beinge likwise distinguished further wth pricke and accent, as theires ancientlie, but resemble the further old Phenetian character , beinge likwise distinguished
w i th pricke and accent , as theires ancientlie , but the further w i th pricke and accent , as theires ancientlie , but the further
enquirye thereof nedeth a place of longer discourse then this our enquirye thereof nedeth a place of longer discourse then this our
shorte conference .. conference:: shorte conference:: conference ..
Eudox: Surelie yow haue showed a greate agreat p ro babillitie of that w hi ch wch I Eudox: Surelie yow haue showed agreat a greate p ro babillitie of that wch I w hi ch
had thought ympossible to haue bene proued , proued, but that w hi ch wch yow now saye had thought ympossible to haue bene proued, proued , but that wch w hi ch yow now saye
that Ireland should haue bene peopled w i th wth the Gaules , semeth much that Ireland should haue bene peopled wth w i th the Gaules , semeth much
more strange; for all there Cronicles Cronicles, doe saye that the west and more strange; for all there Cronicles, Cronicles doe saye that the west and
south was possessed and inhabyted of Spanyardes and Cornelius Tacitus south was possessed and inhabyted of Spanyardes and Cornelius Tacitus
also doth stronglie affyrme the same , same, all w hi ch wch yee must eyther also doth stronglie affyrme the same, same , all wch w hi ch yee must eyther
overthrowe and falcefie falsefie or renounce yo u r opinion yor opinion: overthrowe and falsefie falcefie or renounce yor opinion: yo u r opinion
Iren Irenn: Neyther so nor so , so, for the Irishe Cronicles as I said vnto yo the m Irenn: Iren Neyther so nor so, so , for the Irishe Cronicles as I said vnto the m yo
yow beinge made by vnlearned men , men, and writinge thinges according yow beinge made by vnlearned men, men , and writinge thinges according
to the apparance of the truth w hi ch wch they comceyued conceyued doe err in to the apparance of the truth wch w hi ch they conceyued comceyued doe err in
the Cyrcumstances , the Cyrcumstances, not in the matter , ffor matter, For all that came the Cyrcumstances, the Cyrcumstances , not in the matter, For matter , ffor all that came
out of Spaine (they beinge noe deligente searchers vnto into the out of Spaine (they beinge noe deligente searchers into vnto the
differences of the Nations , Nations) supposed to be Spanyardes , Spanyardes, & so called differences of the Nations) Nations , supposed to be Spanyardes, Spanyardes , & so called
them , them, but the ground worke thereof is neu er the lesse thelesse (as I said them, them , but the ground worke thereof is neu er thelesse the lesse (as I said
trewe and certaine how eu er the they through theire owne vanitie trewe and certaine how eu er they the through theire owne vanitie
ignorance disguise the same , same, or through theire owne vanitie ignorance disguise the same, same , or through theire owne vanitie
whilst they would not seme to be ignorant , ignorant, doe therevpon there vpon whilst they would not seme to be ignorant, ignorant , doe there vpon therevpon
build and enlarge manye forged histories of theire owne build and enlarge manye forged histories of theire owne
Antiquitie , w hi ch Antiquitie, wch they do deliu er to fooles and make them beleue Antiquitie, wch Antiquitie , w hi ch they do deliu er to fooles and make them beleue
them for true , true, as for exsample , exsample, that first of all one Gathelus them for true, true , as for exsample, exsample , that first of all one Gathelus
the sonne of Cerropes , or Argos , who having married the the sonne of Cerropes , or Argos , who having married the
kinge Kinge of Egippes daughter , Egipps daughter, thence sayled w i th wth her into Kinge kinge of Egipps daughter, Egippes daughter , thence sayled wth w i th her into
Spaine and theire inhabyted , when inhabyted, Then that of Nemed , Nemed, Spaine and theire inhabyted, Then inhabyted , when that of Nemed, Nemed ,
and his fower sonnes sonns who Cominge out ^ of Scythia and his fower sonns sonnes who Cominge out ^ of Scythia
peopled peopled
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Cominge out of Scythia peopled Ireland and Inhabyted Cominge out of Scythia peopled Ireland and Inhabyted
yt w i th wth his ij sonnes sonns twoe hundred and fyftye . yeres , fyfty e OB yeres, till he yt wth w i th his ij sonns sonnes twoe hundred and fyfty e OB yeres, fyftye . yeres , till he
was overcome of the Geannte Geanntes dwellinge then in Ireland was overcome of the Geanntes Geannte dwellinge then in Ireland
and out and at last quite banished and rooted out , out, After whom twoe and and out at last quite banished and rooted out, out , After whom twoe
hundred yeres the sonns of one dela Dela beinge Scythian Scythians hundred yeres the sonns of one Dela dela beinge Scythians Scythian
arryved there againe and possessed the whole land arryved there againe and possessed the whole land
of w hi ch wch the youngest called slaymus and slaynius in the ende of wch w hi ch the youngest called slaynius in slaymus and the ende
made him self mornarch lastlie of the iiij sones made him self mornarch lastlie of the iiij sones
of Milesius kinge of Spaine , w hi ch Spaine, wch conquered that land from of Milesius kinge of Spaine, wch Spaine , w hi ch conquered that land from
the Scythians and inhabytinge yt w i th spannardes wth spanyardes called yt the Scythians and inhabytinge yt wth spanyardes w i th spannardes called yt
of the youngest Heberous , ffi Heberous, Hi Hibernia All w hi ch wch are in of the youngest Heberous, Hi Heberous , ffi Hibernia All wch w hi ch are in
truthe mere fables , fables, and verie Melisian lyes as (as the truthe mere fables, fables , and verie Melisian lyes (as as the
latine proverbe ys , ffor ys) For was there never such a kinge latine proverbe ys) For ys , ffor was there never such a kinge
of spaine , spaine, called Milesius , Milesius, nor any such Colonie seated w i th wth of spaine, spaine , called Milesius, Milesius , nor any such Colonie seated wth w i th
his sonnes as they faine , faine, that can ever be proued : proued: But yett his sonnes as they faine, faine , that can ever be proued: proued : But yett
vnder these tales yee maye in a mann er see the truth lurke ffor lurke; For vnder these tales yee maye in a mann er see the truth lurke; For lurke ffor
scythians here inhabytinge in habytinge, they name and doe speake of scythians here in habytinge, inhabytinge they name and doe speake of
Spanyarde , Spanyardes, whereby appeareth , appeareth, that both those nacons here Spanyardes, Spanyarde , whereby appeareth, appeareth , that both those nacons here
inhabyted . inhabyted. But whether verie spanyardes as (as the Irishe inhabyted. inhabyted . But whether verie spanyardes (as as the Irishe
greatlye effect , effecte, ys noe waye to be proued : proued: greatlye effecte, effect , ys noe waye to be proued: proued :
Eudox Eudox: Whence com m eth yt then that the Irishe Irish doe so greatlie Eudox: Eudox Whence com m eth yt then that the Irish Irishe doe so greatlie
covet to fetch their them selves from the Spanyardes , Spanyardes, since the covet to fetch them their selves from the Spanyardes, Spanyardes , since the
ould Gaules are a more Ancyente Ancyente, and much more honer honora ould Gaules are a more Ancyente, Ancyente and much more honora honer
ble nacon : nacon: ble nacon: nacon :
Iren: Even of a verie desyre of Newfanglenesse and vanytie for Iren: Even of a verie desyre of Newfanglenesse and vanytie for
beinge ; beinge; as they theye are now accounted the most barborous nac i on beinge; beinge ; as theye they are now accounted the most barborous nac i on
in Christendome , Christendome, they to avoyde that reproch would decyve d e ryve in Christendome, Christendome , they to avoyde that reproch would d e ryve decyve
them selues from the Spanyard , whome Spanyard, whom they now to see b to them selues from the Spanyard, whom Spanyard , whome they now to see to b
bee a verie averie honorable people , people, and next bordringe vnto bee averie a verie honorable people, people , and next bordringe vnto
them . them. But all that is most vaine , vaine, for from the Spany them. them . But all that is most vaine, vaine , for from the Spany
ard that now is , is, is come from as . rude and salvage nacon nacons ard that now is, is , is come from as . rude and salvage nacons nacon
as they , as they, there beinge beinge, as yt maye be gathered by course as they, as they , there beinge, beinge as yt maye be gathered by course
of ages , of ages, and veiwe of theire owne historie (though the they of ages, of ages , and veiwe of theire owne historie (though they the
therein laboure , laboure, much to ennoble them selues ) selues) havinge therein laboure, laboure , much to ennoble them selues) selues ) havinge
scarce scarse any dropp of the ould Spainnishe Spanishe bloode lefte scarse scarce any dropp of the ould Spanishe Spainnishe bloode lefte
in them : them: in them: them :
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27 in them: For all spaine was first conquered by the Romaines in them: For all spaine was first conquered by the Romaines 27
in them : ffor all spaine was first conquered by the Romaines and fylled wth Collon i es from them, wch were still increased and fylled wth Collon i es from them, wch were still increased in them : ffor all spaine was first conquered by the Romaines
and fylled w i th Colloni es from them , w hi ch were the natiue Spanyard still increased cutt of: Afterwardes the and the natiue Spanyard fylled w i th Colloni es from them , w hi ch were still cutt of: Afterwardes the increased
and the natiue Spanyard still cutt of : After wardes the Carthagynians in all the longe Punick warrs, havinge spoyled Carthagynians in all the longe Punick warrs, havinge spoyled and the natiue Spanyard still cutt of : After wardes the
all Spaine, and in the longe Punick warrs havinge spoyled ende subdued yt wholie to them Carthagynians in all Spaine, and the ende subdued yt wholie to them longe Punick warrs havinge spoyled
selues, did (as yt wholie to them is likelie) roote OB te out all Spaine , and in the ende subdued that were affected all that were affected Spaine , and in the ende subdued yt is likelie) roote OB te out wholie to them
selues , did (as yt is likelie ) roote ..te out all that were affected to the Romaines. And lastlie, the Romaines havinge againe to the Romaines. And lastlie, the Romaines havinge againe selues , did (as yt is likelie ) roote ..te out all that were affected
to the Romaines . And lastlie , the Romaines havinge againe recovered that Carthagynians Countrye, and bett out Hannyball recovered that Carthagynians Countrye, and bett out Hannyball to the Romaines . And lastlie , the Romaines havinge againe
recovered did doubtlesse cutt of all that had favoured the Carthagynians Countrye , and lett out Hannyball did doubtlesse cutt of all recovered that had favoured the Carthagynians Countrye , and lett out Hannyball
did doubtlesse cutt of all so that had favored the Carthagynians betwext them both, to and froo: there was scarse a so did doubtlesse cutt of all that betwext them both, to and froo: there was scarse a had favored the Carthagynians
so that betwext them both to and froo there was scarse a natyve Spanyard lefte but all inhabyted of Romaines. natyve Spanyard lefte but all inhabyted of Romaines. so that betwext them both to and froo there was scarse a
natyve Spanyard lefte but all inhabyted All wch tempestes of Romaines . troubles beinge overblowen, there All wch tempestes natyve Spanyard lefte but all inhabyted of troubles beinge overblowen, there Romaines .
All w hi ch tempeste of troubles beinge overblowen , there longe after arose anewe storme more dreadfull then all longe after arose anewe storme more dreadfull then all All w hi ch tempeste of troubles beinge overblowen , there
longe after arose anewe storme . more dreadfull then the form er , wch overran all Spaine and made an Infynite the form er , wch overran longe after arose anewe storme . more dreadfull then all Spaine and made an Infynite
confusion, of all Spaine and made an Infynite thinges, That was the form er , w hi ch overran com m inge downe the com m inge downe form er , w hi ch overran all thinges, That was Spaine and made an Infynite
of the Gothes , the Hunes, and Van dals , and lastlie all thinges , That was the com m inge downe confusion of the Gothes , the Hunes, and Van dals , and lastlie all thinges , That was the com m inge downe
the Nations of the Gothes , the Hunes , and Vandals , and lastlie all Scythia, wch like a mountaine fludd did of Scythia, wch like a mountaine fludd did the Gothes , the Hunes , and Vandals , and lastlie all
the Nations of Scythia , w hi ch like a mountaine fludd did overflowe all Spainee, and quite drownde and washt overflowe all Spainee, and quite drownde and washt the Nations of Scythia , w hi ch like a mountaine fludd did
overflowe all Spainee , and quite drownde and washt overflowe all Spainee , and quite drownde and washt
awaye what ever relickes there were lefte of the awaye what ever relickes there were lefte of the
landbred people , people, yea and of all the Romaines too , too, The landbred people, people , yea and of all the Romaines too, too , The
w hi ch wch Northerne Nacons Nacons, fyndinge the complex i on of that wch w hi ch Northerne Nacons, Nacons fyndinge the complex i on of that
soyle , soyle, and the vehement heate there farr diffringe soyle, soyle , and the vehement heate there farr diffringe
from there natures , natures, tooke noe felycitie in the countrie from there natures, natures , tooke noe felycitie in the countrie
but from thence passed over over, and did spread them selues but from thence passed over, over and did spread them selues
into all countries in Chr ist endome , endome, of all w hi ch wch there is none into all countries in Chr ist endome, endome , of all wch w hi ch there is none
but hath some mixture and sprincklenge , sprincklinge, yf not through but hath some mixture and sprincklinge, sprincklenge , yf not through
peopling of them . them. And yett after all those the Moores peopling of them. them . And yett after all those the Moores
and barbarians breaking over out of Africa , did finallie and barbarians breaking over out of Africa , did finallie
possesse all of spaine , p spaine, or the most p ar te thereof . thereof, and possesse all p spaine, of spaine , or the most p ar te thereof, thereof . and
treade downe vnder theire foule heathinshe feete , heathnishe feete, what treade downe vnder theire foule heathnishe feete, heathinshe feete , what
ever little they found there yet standinge . standinge, the w hi ch wch ever little they found there yet standinge, standinge . the wch w hi ch
though afterward they were beaten beaten, out by fferdinando Ferdinando though afterward they were beaten, beaten out by Ferdinando fferdinando
of A Arago A OB go n , and Elizabeth his wyfe , wyfe, yett they were of A A OB go Arago n , and Elizabeth his wyfe, wyfe , yett they were
not so clensed , clensed, but that thorowe the marriages w hi ch wch not so clensed, clensed , but that thorowe the marriages wch w hi ch
they had made and mixture w hi ch wth the people of the they had made and mixture wth w hi ch the people of the
land Land: Land: land
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lande duringe theire longe contynewance there , there, they had left lefte lande duringe theire longe contynewance there, there , they had lefte left
noe pure dropp of Spanishe blood ; not blood, noe nor of Romaine nor noe pure dropp of Spanishe blood, noe blood ; not nor of Romaine nor
Scythan . Scythan. so that of all nac i ons vnder heaven J I suppose the Spa in ** disappears into gutter. Span Scythan. Scythan . so that of all nac i ons vnder heaven I J suppose the Span Spa in ** disappears into gutter.
yard is the most mingled , mingled, most vncertaine and most bastard bastardlie yard is the most mingled, mingled , most vncertaine and most bastardlie bastard
where fore wherefore most folishelie , do folishlie, doe the Irishe thincke to eno ble ennoble wherefore where fore most folishlie, doe folishelie , do the Irishe thincke to ennoble eno ble
them selues , selues, by wrestinge theire Auncestrye from the Spa niard Spanyard them selues, selues , by wrestinge theire Auncestrye from the Spanyard Spa niard
who is vnhable to deryve him self from any ^ nacon certaine nac i on certaine, who is vnhable to deryve him self from any nac i on certaine, ^ nacon certaine
Eudox Eudox: Yow speake verie sharplie Irenius in dishonor of the Eudox: Eudox Yow speake verie sharplie Irenius in dishonor of the
Spanyarde , Spanyarde, whom some other bost to be the onelie braue soul dyer soldyer Spanyarde, Spanyarde , whom some other bost to be the onelie braue soldyer soul dyer
vnder skye : skye: vnder skye: skye :
Iren: So surelie he is averie braue man neyther is that Iren: So surelie he is averie braue man neyther is that
w hi ch wch I speake anye thinge to his derogacon : ffor derogacon: For in that wch w hi ch I speake anye thinge to his derogacon: For derogacon : ffor in that
I said he is a mingled people and compounded w i th others wth others: I said he is a mingled people and compounded wth others: w i th others
ffor For yt was a singuler prouidence of God , God, and a most admira For ffor yt was a singuler prouidence of God, God , and a most admira
ble purpose of his wysdome to drawe those Northerne ble purpose of his wysdome to drawe those Northerne
heathen nacons downe into these Cristyan Christyan p ar tes where heathen nacons downe into these Christyan Cristyan p ar tes where
they might receyve Chaistyanitie , Christyanitie, and to mingle nations they might receyve Christyanitie, Chaistyanitie , and to mingle nations
so remote , so remote, so myracculouslie to make as yt were one ~~ -- so remote, so remote , so myracculouslie to make as yt were one -- ~~
kynred and blood of all people , people, and each to haue knowle dge knowledg kynred and blood of all people, people , and each to haue knowledg knowle dge
of him : him: of him: him :
Eudox: Neither haue yow sure any more dishonored the Irishe Eudox: Neither haue yow sure any more dishonored the Irishe
for yow haue brought them from verie great and auncye nt auncyent for yow haue brought them from verie great and auncyent auncye nt
nac i ons , ons, as any were in the world , world, how ever fondlie they nac i ons, ons , as any were in the world, world , how ever fondlie they
affecte the Spanyard . ffor Spanyard: For both the Scythians and the affecte the Spanyard: For Spanyard . ffor both the Scythians and the
Gaules were twoe as mightie nacons as ever the Gaules were twoe as mightie nacons as ever the
world brought forth . forth. But is theire any token denominac i on world brought forth. forth . But is theire any token denominac i on
or monem monum en t of the Gaules yett remayninge in Ireland as or monum monem en t of the Gaules yett remayninge in Ireland as
there theire is of Scythians : Scythians: theire there is of Scythians: Scythians :
Iren Yea surelie verie manie : ffor manie: For theire is first in the Iren Yea surelie verie manie: For manie : ffor theire is first in the
Irishe languaige manye wordes of Gaulles remayninge Galles remayning Irishe languaige manye wordes of Galles remayning Gaulles remayninge
and yett dalie vsed in Com m on speach , and yett dalie vsed in Com m on speach ,
Eudox: Whie , Whie, what was the Gallish speach ~ Is .- Iis there any Eudox: Whie, Whie , what was the Gallish speach .- Iis ~ Is there any
p ar te of yt still vsed amongst any o a nac i on p ar te of yt still vsed amongst any a o nac i on
Iren: Iren:
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28 Iren: The Gallishe speach is the verie Brittishe, the wch was Iren: The Gallishe speach is the verie Brittishe, the wch was 28
Iren: The Gallishe speach is the verie Brittishe , the w hi ch was Iren: The Gallishe speach is the verie Brittishe , the w hi ch was
gen er allie vsed here in all Bryttanie before the cominge ^ in the Saxons, and yett is retayned of the Welchmen the -- the Saxons, and yett is retayned gen er allie vsed here in all Bryttanie before the cominge ^ in of the Welchmen the --
the Saxons , Cornishemen and yett is retayned the Bryttons of the welchmen the ~~ Fraunce, though tyme Cornishemen the Saxons , and the Bryttons yett is retayned of Fraunce, though tyme the welchmen the ~~
Cornishemen workinge alteracon of ffraunce , though tyme all thinges and the Bryttons tradinge and -- workinge alteracon Cornishemen and the tradinge and -- Bryttons of all thinges ffraunce , though tyme
workinge alteracon of all thinges and the tradinge and ~~ enterdeale wth other nac i ons rounde aboute haue changed enterdeale wth other nac i ons rounde aboute haue changed workinge alteracon of all thinges and the tradinge and ~~
enterdeale w hi ch other nac i ons rounde aboute haue changed and greatlie altered the dyalecte thereof, but yett the and greatlie altered the dyalecte thereof, but yett the enterdeale w hi ch other nac i ons rounde aboute haue changed
and greatlie altered the dyalecte thereof , but yett the oridginall wordes appeare to bee the same, as whoe that oridginall wordes appeare to bee the same, as whoe that and greatlie altered the dyalecte thereof , but yett the
oridginall wordes appeare list to bee the same , as whoe that reade in Cambden or Buckanam maye see at large: list oridginall wordes appeare to reade in Cambden or Buckanam maye see at large: bee the same , as whoe that
list to reade in Cambde n or Buckanam maye see at large : list to reade in Cambde n or Buckanam maye see at large :
Besides there bee manye places, as havens hills townes and Besides there bee manye places, as havens hills townes and
Castles w hi ch wch yett beare name from the Galles of the w hi ch wch Castles wch w hi ch yett beare name from the Galles of the wch w hi ch
Buckana m n rehearseth aboue three hundred in Scotland , Scotland, and Buckana n m rehearseth aboue three hundred in Scotland, Scotland , and
I can I thincke recounte neere as many in Ireland : Ireland: More I can I thincke recounte neere as many in Ireland: Ireland : More
over there bee of the ould Galles certaine nations yett over there bee of the ould Galles certaine nations yett
remayninge in Ireland , w hi ch Ireland, wch detaine the ould denominacons remayninge in Ireland, wch Ireland , w hi ch detaine the ould denominacons
of the Galles , Galles, as the Manapij: the Canei the venti, Manapij : the Canci , the Venti , and of the Galles, Galles , as the Manapij : the Canci , the Venti , Manapij: the Canei the venti, and
others , others, by all w hi ch , wch and manye others verye reasonable p ro babilli others, others , by all wch w hi ch , and manye others verye reasonable p ro babilli
ties , w hi ch ties, wch this shorte course will not suffer to be layde ties, wch ties , w hi ch this shorte course will not suffer to be layde
forthe , forthe, yt appeareth appeareth, that the cheif inhabytantes in ~~ -- forthe, forthe , yt appeareth, appeareth that the cheif inhabytantes in -- ~~
Ireland , Irland, were Gaules Galles cominge thyther first from Spaine Irland, Ireland , were Galles Gaules cominge thyther first from Spaine
and afterwardes from beside Tannis where the Goathes Go OB thes and afterwardes from beside Tannis where the Go OB thes Goathes
the Hunns and the Getes satt downe , theye downe, theye, all so beinge (as the Hunns and the Getes satt downe, theye, downe , theye all so beinge (as
yt is said ) said) of some anciente Galles , Galles, and lastlie passing yt is said) said ) of some anciente Galles, Galles , and lastlie passing
out of Gallia yt self from all the seacoste seacostes of Belgia out of Gallia yt self from all the seacostes seacoste of Belgia
and Celtica into all the Southerne coste costes of Ireland w hi ch wch and Celtica into all the Southerne costes coste of Ireland wch w hi ch
they possessed and inhabyted inhabyted, where vpon yt is at this they possessed and inhabyted, inhabyted where vpon yt is at this
daye amongst ^ all the Irishe a Comon vse to call any strang e daye amongst ^ all the Irishe a Comon vse to call any strang e
inhabytante in habytante there av ab amongst them Gald , Gald, that is ~ - in habytante inhabytante there ab av amongst them Gald, Gald , that is - ~
discended of ^ from the Gaules : Gaules: discended of ^ from the Gaules: Gaules :
Eudox: This is verie likelie ffor likelie, For even so did these gaules Eudox: This is verie likelie, For likelie ffor even so did these gaules
ancyentlie possesse and ... OB people all the Southerne ancyentlie possesse and OB ... people all the Southerne
costes Costes of our Bryttaine w hi ch wch yett retaine theire Costes costes of our Bryttaine wch w hi ch yett retaine theire
ould names names, as the Belga in Tou Som er sht shyre , setshyre, Wilshire ould names, names as the Belga in Som Tou er setshyre, sht shyre , Wilshire
and p ar te of Hamshire . Hamshire. Atrebatij in Barkshire , Barkshire, Regni and p ar te of Hamshire. Hamshire . Atrebatij in Barkshire, Barkshire , Regni
in Sussex : in Sussex :
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in Sussex and Sus Surrey w hi ch wth manie others , others, Now thus far r? farr in Sussex and Sus Surrey wth w hi ch manie others, others , Now thus farr far r?
I vnderstande yo u r yor openyon that the Scythians planted in I vnderstande yor yo u r openyon that the Scythians planted in
the North p ar te tes of Ireland , Ireland, the Spanyard (for soe wee will the North p ar tes te of Ireland, Ireland , the Spanyard (for soe wee will
call them what ever they were that came from spaine ) Spaine) in call them what ever they were that came from Spaine) spaine ) in
the West , the West, the Gaules in the South . South. So that there now the West, the West , the Gaules in the South. South . So that there now
remayneth onelye the east p ar te towardes Englande , w hi ch Englande, wch remayneth onelye the east p ar te towardes Englande, wch Englande , w hi ch
I would be gladd to vnderstand from whom yee thicke : thincke: I would be gladd to vnderstand from whom yee thincke: thicke :
Iren: Marie from the Brittons them selues , selues, of w hi ch wch though Iren: Marie from the Brittons them selues, selues , of wch w hi ch though
theire bee lyttle footinge now remayninge by reason that theire bee lyttle footinge now remayninge by reason that
the Saxons ; afterwardes the Saxons; afterwardes, and lastlie the Englishe , Englishe, the Saxons; afterwardes, the Saxons ; afterwardes and lastlie the Englishe, Englishe ,
dryvinge out all the first inhabitantes thereof in habitantes thereof, did possess possesse dryvinge out all the first in habitantes thereof, inhabitantes thereof did possesse possess
and people yt them selues , selues, yett amongst the Tooles and people yt them selues, selues , yett amongst the Tooles
the Brins the Cavanaghes and other nacons nacon nacons the Brins the Cavanaghes and other nacons nacons nacon
in Leinster there is some memorie of the bryttons in Leinster there is some memorie of the bryttons
remayninge remayning e ; As the Tooles of the old Brittishe word remayning e remayninge ; As the Tooles of the old Brittishe word
is called Toll , Toll, that is an hyllye countrye , countrye, The is called Toll, Toll , that is an hyllye countrye, countrye , The
Brins of the Brittish word brin , brin, that is wooddye , wooddye, and Brins of the Brittish word brin, brin , that is wooddye, wooddye , and
the Cavanaghes of Canne , Canne, that is stronge stronge, So the that the Cavanaghes of Canne, Canne , that is stronge, stronge So that the
in these three people , people, the verie denominacon of the in these three people, people , the verie denominacon of the
ould Bryttons doth still remaine , remaine, Besydes when a ny? any ould Bryttons doth still remaine, remaine , Besydes when any a ny?
flyeth vnder the succour or p ro tection of any aga inst? against flyeth vnder the succour or p ro tection of any against aga inst?
an enemye , enemye, he Cryeth vnto him Cummericke th at that an enemye, enemye , he Cryeth vnto him Cummericke that th at
is Brytton helpe , is Brytton helpe, for the Brytton is called in his is Brytton helpe, is Brytton helpe , for the Brytton is called in his
owne language Cummeraige ; further more languaige Cummeraige, furthermore to proue owne languaige Cummeraige, furthermore language Cummeraige ; further more to proue
the same Ireland is by dyodorus Siculus , Dyodorus Siculus, and the same Ireland is by Dyodorus Siculus, dyodorus Siculus , and
by Strabb called Bryttania , Bryttania, and a p ar te of grea te great by Strabb called Bryttania, Bryttania , and a p ar te of great grea te
Bryttaine Brytta i ne : ffynallie Fynallie it appeareth by good recorde Brytta i ne Bryttaine : Fynallie ffynallie it appeareth by good recorde
yett extant , extant, that kinge Arthure and before ~~ -- yett extant, extant , that kinge Arthure and before -- ~~
him Gurggunte , Gurgunte, had all that Island Iland in his alleigea nce alleigeance him Gurgunte, Gurggunte , had all that Iland Island in his alleigeance alleigea nce
and subiection . Here vnto subiection. Herevnto I could add manye probabilli ties probabillities and subiection. Herevnto subiection . Here vnto I could add manye probabillities probabilli ties
of the names of places places: p er sons and speches as I did of the names of places: places p er sons and speches as I did
in the form er , but they should bee too longe for this in the form er , but they should bee too longe for this
place and I reserue them for another . another: And thus ~ - place and I reserue them for another: another . And thus - ~
yee haue hard my opynion on how all the realme yee haue hard my opynion on how all the realme
of was first peopled . peopled, and by what nac i on , ~ on, - of was first peopled, peopled . and by what nac i on, - on , ~
After After
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29 After all wch the Saxons suc c edinge did wholie subdue After all wch the Saxons suc c edinge did wholie subdue 29
After all w hi ch the Saxons succedinge did wholie subdue yt vnto them selues, For first Egfryde Kinge of Northumb ria yt vnto them selues, For first Egfryde Kinge of Northumb ria After all w hi ch the Saxons succedinge did wholie subdue
yt vnto them selues ; ffor first Egfryde kinge of Northumb yt vnto them selues ; ffor first Egfryde kinge of Northumb
did vtterlye wast and subdue yt as appeareth out of did vtterlye wast and subdue yt as appeareth out of
Bedas complainte against him , him, And afterwardes kinge Kinge Bedas complainte against him, him , And afterwardes Kinge kinge
Edgarr brought yt vnder his obedyence, as appeareth Edgarr brought yt vnder his obedyence, as appeareth
by an ancient recorde in w hi ch wch yt is found written , written, that by an ancient recorde in wch w hi ch yt is found written, written , that
he subdued all the kingdomes Ilands Ilandes of the north ~ north- he subdued all the kingdomes Ilandes Ilands of the north- north ~
even vnto Morwaye , Norwaye, and there kinge s did theire kinges dad bringe even vnto Norwaye, Morwaye , and theire kinges dad there kinge s did bringe
into his subiection :: subiection:: into his subiection:: subiection ::
Eudox : Eudox: This rippinge vpp of Anncestryes Auncestryes is verie Eudox: Eudox : This rippinge vpp of Auncestryes Anncestryes is verie
pleasinge vnto me , me, and indeed savoreth of good conceite pleasinge vnto me, me , and indeed savoreth of good conceite
and some readinge w i th all , wthall, I see hereby how p ro fytable and some readinge wthall, w i th all , I see hereby how p ro fytable
travell and experience of forraine nacons is to him travell and experience of forraine nacons is to him
that will applye them to good purpose . purpose, Neyther that will applye them to good purpose, purpose . Neyther
indeed would I haue thoughte that any such antiquities indeed would I haue thoughte that any such antiquities
could haue have bene avouched for the Irishe , Irishe, that maketh could have haue bene avouched for the Irishe, Irishe , that maketh
mee the more to longe longe, to see some other of yo u r yor obser mee the more to longe, longe to see some other of yor yo u r obser
vacons w hi ch yet vacons, wch yee haue gathred out of that countrye , countrye, and vacons, wch yee vacons w hi ch yet haue gathred out of that countrye, countrye , and
haue earste halff half promized to put forth and sure in haue earste half halff promized to put forth and sure in
this minglinge of nations appeareth appeareth, (as yow ear ea r st this minglinge of nations appeareth, appeareth (as yow ea r ear st
well noted ) noted) a wounderfull provydence and prupose purpose well noted) noted ) a wounderfull provydence and purpose prupose
of almighte almightie god that stirred vpp the people in of almightie almighte god that stirred vpp the people in
the farthest p ar te of the world , world, to seeke out these the farthest p ar te of the world, world , to seeke out these
rero regions . relo regions, so remote from them , them, and by that meanes relo regions, rero regions . so remote from them, them , and by that meanes
both to restore the decayed habytacons , habytacons, and to make both to restore the decayed habytacons, habytacons , and to make
him selfe self knowne to the eathen ; heathen, But was there I him self selfe knowne to the heathen, eathen ; But was there I
pray praye yow noe more gen er all impeoplinge of that praye pray yow noe more gen er all impeoplinge of that
Iland , Iland, then first by the Scythians, w hi ch wch yee saye Iland, Iland , then first by the Scythians, wch w hi ch yee saye
were the scottes . scottes, and afterwardes by the Afrycans were the scottes, scottes . and afterwardes by the Afrycans
besydes the Gaules , Gaules, Bryttons and Saxons : Saxons: besydes the Gaules, Gaules , Bryttons and Saxons: Saxons :
Iren Yes Iren: yes there was another and that the last and Iren: yes Iren Yes there was another and that the last and
the greatest ; w hi ch the greatest, wch was by the Englishe , Englishe, when the greatest, wch the greatest ; w hi ch was by the Englishe, Englishe , when
the Earle Strongbowe Strangbowe havinge conquered that the Earle Strangbowe Strongbowe havinge conquered that
land deliu er ed vpp the same vnto the handes of Henrye land deliu er ed vpp the same vnto the handes of Henrye
the second: the second:
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the second then kinge , Kinge, who sente over thither greate store the second then Kinge, kinge , who sente over thither greate store
of gentlemen , gentlemen, and other warlike people amongst whom of gentlemen, gentlemen , and other warlike people amongst whom
he distrybuted the lande and stled setled such a stronge Colonie he distrybuted the lande and setled stled such a stronge Colonie
therein and as never sence could w i th all wthall the subtill practi ces? practized therein as and never sence could wthall w i th all the subtill practized practi ces?
of the Irishe be routed rooted out but abyde still a mightie of the Irishe be rooted routed out but abyde still a mightie
people of so manye as remayne Englishe of them people of so manye as remayne Englishe of them
Eudox: What is that ye saye of so manye as remaine Eudox: What is that ye saye of so manye as remaine
Englishe of them , them, whye are not they that were once Englishe of them, them , whye are not they that were once
Englishe , Englishe, abydinge Englishe still :: still:: Englishe, Englishe , abydinge Englishe still:: still ::
Iren: Not Noe for the most p ar te of them are degen er ated and Iren: Noe Not for the most p ar te of them are degen er ated and
growen almost nere Irishe yea and more malycious growen almost nere Irishe yea and more malycious
Eudox: What heare I ? and is yt possible that an ~ to the Englishe then the verye Irishe them selfes to the Englishe then the verye Irishe them selfes Eudox: What heare I ? and is yt possible that an ~
Eudox: What heare I ? and is yt possible that an - Eudox: What heare I ? and is yt possible that an -
Englishe man brought vpp naturallie in such Englishe man brought vpp naturallie in such
sweete civillitie as England , affordes , could England, affordes, coulde fynd sweete civillitie as England, affordes, coulde England , affordes , could fynd
such lykinge in that barbarous rudenes , barborous rudenes, that he such lykinge in that barborous rudenes, barbarous rudenes , that he
should forgett his owne nature and forgoe his owne should forgett his owne nature and forgoe his owne
nacon ? nacon,- how maye . mayey this bee ? - or what I praye yow nacon,- nacon ? how mayey maye . this bee - ? or what I praye yow
maye bee the cause hereof : hereof: maye bee the cause hereof: hereof :
Iren: Surlie Surelie nothinge but the first evill ordynance Iren: Surelie Surlie nothinge but the first evill ordynance
and Institucon coInstitucon of that comon wealth : com m on wealth: But thereof and coInstitucon Institucon of that com m on wealth: comon wealth : But thereof
now is here noe fytte place to speake leaste least by the now is here noe fytte place to speake least leaste by the
occasion thereof, offringe matter of a longe discourse occasion thereof, offringe matter of a longe discourse
wee might bee drawen from this that wee haue wee might bee drawen from this that wee haue
in hand , in hand, namelye the handlinge of abuses in the in hand, in hand , namelye the handlinge of abuses in the
Customes of Ireland :: Irelande:. Customes of Irelande:. Ireland ::
Eudox: In truth Irenius ye doe well remember the plott Eudox: In truth Irenius ye doe well remember the plott
of yo u r yor first purpose , purpose, but yet from that mee semes yee of yor yo u r first purpose, purpose , but yet from that mee semes yee
haue much swerued in all this longe discourse of the haue much swerued in all this longe discourse of the
first inhabytinge of Ireland , Ireland, for what is that to first inhabytinge of Ireland, Ireland , for what is that to
yo u r purpose ? yor purpose-:. yor purpose-:. yo u r purpose ?
Irenius Irenius: Trewlie verie materiall , materiall, for yf yow m ar ked the Irenius: Irenius Trewlie verie materiall, materiall , for yf yow m ar ked the
course of all that speach well yt was to shewe by course of all that speach well yt was to shewe by
what meanes the Customes that now are in Ireland what meanes the Customes that now are in Ireland
beinge beinge
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30 30
beinge some of them in deed verie strange and almost beinge some of them in deed verie strange and almost
heathynnishe , heathynnishe, were first brought in , in, and that was heathynnishe, heathynnishe , were first brought in, in , and that was
as I said by those nations , nations, from whom that Countrye was as I said by those nations, nations , from whom that Countrye was
first peopled for the dyfference of manners and customes first peopled for the dyfference of manners and customes
doth followe the difference of nacons and people , the people, The doth followe the difference of nacons and people, The people , the
w hi ch wch I haue declared , declared, vnto yow for to haue bene three wch w hi ch I haue declared, declared , vnto yow for to haue bene three
speciall , w hi ch speciall, wch seated them selues there , there, to wytte speciall, wch speciall , w hi ch seated them selues there, there , to wytte
first the Scythian , Scythian, then the Gaules and first the Scythian, Scythian , then the Gaules and
lastlie the Englishe . Englishe, Not w i th standing wthstanding that I lastlie the Englishe, Englishe . Not wthstanding w i th standing that I
am not ignorante , ignorante, that there were sondrie other am not ignorante, ignorante , that there were sondrie other
nacons , w hi ch nacons, wch gott footing , footing, in that lande , lande, of the w hi ch wch nacons, wch nacons , w hi ch gott footing, footing , in that lande, lande , of the wch w hi ch
there yett remayne dyverse great famillies and there yett remayne dyverse great famillies and
so p ar te septes of whom I will also in there prop er places make septes so p ar te of whom I will also in there prop er places make
mencon : menc i on: menc i on: mencon :
Eudox : Eudox: Yee bringe yo u r yor self Iren : Iren: verye well Eudox: Eudox : Yee bringe yor yo u r self Iren: Iren : verye well
into the waye againe . againe, Not w i th standing wthstanding that yt into the waye againe, againe . Not wthstanding w i th standing that yt
semeth that yee were never out of the waye : waye: But semeth that yee were never out of the waye: waye : But
now that yee haue passed through those antiquities now that yee haue passed through those antiquities
w hi ch wch I could haue wished not so soone ended , ended, begine -- wch w hi ch I could haue wished not so soone ended, ended , begine --
when yee please to declare yo u r yow what Customes when yee please to declare yow yo u r what Customes
and manners haue bene deryved from those -- and manners haue bene deryved from those --
nacons to the Irishe , Irishe, and w hi ch wch of them yee nacons to the Irishe, Irishe , and wch w hi ch of them yee
fynde falte w i th all. wthall: fynde falte wthall: w i th all.
Iren: I will then begine to Counte there Customes in Iren: I will then begine to Counte there Customes in
the same order , order, that I counted there nacons and the same order, order , that I counted there nacons and
first w i th wth the Scythian Scythian, or Scottishe manners first wth w i th the Scythian, Scythian or Scottishe manners
of the w hi ch wch there is one vse amongst them to kepe of the wch w hi ch there is one vse amongst them to kepe
theire Cattell and to lyve them selues the most theire Cattell and to lyve them selues the most
p ar te of the yeares in Bollies , pasturing vpon p ar te of the yeares in Bollies , pasturing vpon
the mountains mountaine and waste wild places , and wilde places, and the mountaine mountains and waste wilde places, and wild places , and
removinge still to freshe land as they haue ~~ -- removinge still to freshe land as they haue -- ~~
depastured the form er dayes , the w hi ch appeareth ~~ dayes, the wch appeareth- depastured the form er dayes, the wch appeareth- dayes , the w hi ch appeareth ~~
plaine to be the manner of the Scythians as plaine to be the manner of the Scythians as
yee maye reade in Olaus Magnnes of Io : Magnus et Io: yee maye reade in Olaus Magnus et Io: Magnnes of Io :
Boemus and yett is vsed amongst all the Tarta Boemus and yett is vsed amongst all the Tarta
rians rians
and the and the
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and the people aboute the Caspian sea , w hi ch Sea, wch are natur and the people aboute the Caspian Sea, wch sea , w hi ch are natur
allye Scythians to lyve in heardes as they call allye Scythians to lyve in heardes as they call
them , them, beinge the verie same that the Irishe them, them , beinge the verie same that the Irishe
Bollies are , are, dryvinge theire Cattell contynewallie Bollies are, are , dryvinge theire Cattell contynewallie
w i th them , wth them, and fedinge onlie onelie on theire white meates . meates: wth them, w i th them , and fedinge onelie onlie on theire white meates: meates .
Eudox: what faulte can ye fynde w i th with this Custom Custome Eudox: what faulte can ye fynde with w i th this Custome Custom
for though yt bee an ould Scythian vse yet it for though yt bee an ould Scythian vse yet it
is verye behoue full behouefull in this countrie of Ireland is verye behouefull behoue full in this countrie of Ireland
where there are greate mountaines and wast waist where there are greate mountaines and waist wast
deserte desertes, full of grasse , grasse, that the same should bee desertes, deserte full of grasse, grasse , that the same should bee
eaten downe and Nourishe Nourrishe manye thousand thowsand of eaten downe and Nourrishe Nourishe manye thowsand thousand of
Cattle , Cattle, for the goode of the whole realme Cattle, Cattle , for the goode of the whole realme
w hi ch wch cannot mee thinke thincke well bee any ^ other waye then wch w hi ch cannot mee thincke thinke well bee any ^ other waye then
by keping those Bollies (as as there yee haue - by keping those Bollies as (as there yee haue -
shewed : shewed: shewed: shewed :
Iren: But by this Custome of Bollyng there grow grewe Iren: But by this Custome of Bollyng there grewe grow
in the meane tyme maye greate Corxxe Co OB Enormities in the meane tyme maye greate Co OB Corxxe Enormities
vnto that com m on wealle ffor wealth: For first yf there bee vnto that com m on wealth: For wealle ffor first yf there bee
anye outlawes or losse people (as as they are never anye outlawes or losse people as (as they are never
w i th out wthout some w hi ch wch lyve vpon the same s OB e stealthes wthout w i th out some wch w hi ch lyve vpon the s OB e same stealthes
and spolyed and spoyled they are ever more suckored suckered and finde and spoyled and spolyed they are ever more suckered suckored and finde
releif onelye in those bollies beinge vpon the wais t? waist releif onelye in those bollies beinge vpon the waist wais t?
places , places, where as ells they should be dryven shortelie places, places , where ells as they should be dryven shortelie
to starue , to starue, or to come downe to the townes to seeke to starue, to starue , or to come downe to the townes to seeke
releif , releif, where by one meanes or another they releif, releif , where by one meanes or another they
would soone be Caught . taught. Besydes such stealthes of would soone be taught. Caught . Besydes such stealthes of
Cattle as they bringe comonlye to those Bollies Cattle as they bringe comonlye to those Bollies
where they are receyved readilie , readelie, and the theif where they are receyved readelie, readilie , and the theif
harbored from daunger danger of lawe or such offycers harbored from danger daunger of lawe or such offycers
as might light vpon him . him: Moreover the people as might light vpon him: him . Moreover the people
that liue thus in these Bollies growe thereby that liue thus in these Bollies growe thereby
the more barborous and liue more lycencyouslie the more barborous and liue more lycencyouslie
then they would in townes , townes, vsinge what meanes ~ - then they would in townes, townes , vsinge what meanes - ~
they list , list, and practizing what mischeifes and v. v OB they list, list , and practizing what mischeifes and v OB v.
villanies villanies
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31 villanies they will eyther against the gou ern m en t theire villanies they will eyther against the gou ern m en t theire 31
villanies they will eyther gen er m en t allie by theire combynacons, or against the gou private men, gen villanies they will eyther against private men, the gou er allie by m en t theire combynacons, or
gen er allie by theire combynacons , or against private men , gen er allie by theire combynacons , or against private men ,
whome they maligne by stealinge theire goodes or whome they maligne by stealinge theire goodes or
murtheringe them selues : ffor selues: For there they thincke them murtheringe them selues: For selues : ffor there they thincke them
selves half exempted from lawe and obedyence and selves half exempted from lawe and obedyence and
havinge once tasted freedoms taisted freedome doe lyke a steare that havinge once taisted freedome tasted freedoms doe lyke a steare that
hath bene longe out of his yooke , yooke, grudge and repyne hath bene longe out of his yooke, yooke , grudge and repyne
ever after to come vnder hys his rule againe : againe: ever after to come vnder his hys rule againe: againe :
Eudox: By yo u r your speach Irenius I p er ceaue perceaue more evill Eudox: By your yo u r speach Irenius I perceaue p er ceaue more evill
come by these bollies , bollies, then good , good, by there grazinge . grazinge: come by these bollies, bollies , then good, good , by there grazinge: grazinge .
and therefore yt maye b welbe reformed , reformed, but that and therefore yt maye b welbe reformed, reformed , but that
must bee in his dewe course doe yow p ro ceed to the must bee in his dewe course doe yow p ro ceed to the
next . next: next: next .
Iren: They haue another custome from the Scythians Iren: They haue another custome from the Scythians
that is the wearinge of mantles and longe g ~ - that is the wearinge of mantles and longe g - ~
glebbes w hi ch wch is a thicke curled bushe of haire hanginge glebbes wch w hi ch is a thicke curled bushe of haire hanginge
downe over there eyes , eyes, and monstrouslie disguisinge downe over there eyes, eyes , and monstrouslie disguisinge
them , w hi ch them, wch are both verie badd and hurtfull : hurtfull: them, wch them , w hi ch are both verie badd and hurtfull: hurtfull :
Eudox: doe Doe yee thinc ke thincke that the mantle cometh com m eth from Eudox: Doe doe yee thincke thinc ke that the mantle com m eth cometh from
the Scythians , ~ Scythians, - I would surelie thincke otherwise ; otherwise: the Scythians, - Scythians , ~ I would surelie thincke otherwise: otherwise ;
ffor For by that w hi ch wch I haue redd yt appeareth that For ffor by that wch w hi ch I haue redd yt appeareth that
most nations in the world anncyentlye auncyentlye vsed most nations in the world auncyentlye anncyentlye vsed
the mantle . ffor the Iewes the mantle. For the Jewes vsed yt as yee the mantle. For the Jewes the mantle . ffor the Iewes vsed yt as yee
maye reade reede of Elias mantle of maye reede reade of Elias mantle of
The Caldies also The Caldies also
vsed yt as yee maye read in dysodorus , Dyodorus, The vsed yt as yee maye read in Dyodorus, dysodorus , The
Egyptians lyke wise vsed yt as yee maye reade Egyptians lyke wise vsed yt as yee maye reade
in Herodus and maye be gathered , gathered, by the decypline in Herodus and maye be gathered, gathered , by the decypline
of Berenice ^in in the greeke Comentaries vpon Cally of Berenice in ^in the greeke Comentaries vpon Cally
machus , machus, The Greekes also vsed yt ancyentlie machus, machus , The Greekes also vsed yt ancyentlie
as appeareth by venus mantle lyned w i th wth starrs as appeareth by venus mantle lyned wth w i th starrs
though afterwarde afterwardes they changed the forme thereof though afterwardes afterwarde they changed the forme thereof
into theire Cloake Cloakes called Pallia as some of into theire Cloakes Cloake called Pallia as some of
the Irishe the Irishe
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the Irishe also vse ; vse, And the Auncyent latines and the Irishe also vse, vse ; And the Auncyent latines and
Romaines also vsed yt as ye maye reade in virgill Romaines also vsed yt as ye maye reade in virgill
who was a verie averie greate Atiquarie , Atiquarie, that Evander who was averie a verie greate Atiquarie, Atiquarie , that Evander
when AEneas Æneas came to him at his feast , feast, did entertaine when Æneas AEneas came to him at his feast, feast , did entertaine
and feast him on the ground , ground, and lyinge on mantles , mantles, and feast him on the ground, ground , and lyinge on mantles, mantles ,
In so much as he vseth the verie worde Mantile , for In so much as he vseth the verie worde Mantile , for
a mantle , mantle, Mantilia humi steruunt , so that yt seameth a mantle, mantle , Mantilia humi steruunt , so that yt seameth
that the mantle habbitt was a gen er all agenerall habbite that the mantle habbitt was agenerall a gen er all habbite
to most nacons , nacons, and not prop er to the Sythians onelye as to most nacons, nacons , and not prop er to the Sythians onelye as
yet suppose ~~. yee suppose--. yee suppose--. yet suppose ~~.
Iren: I cannot denye but auncyentlie it was p...er proper com m on Iren: I cannot denye but auncyentlie it was proper p...er com m on
to most , most, and yet sythens disvsed and layd awaye : awaye: to most, most , and yet sythens disvsed and layd awaye: awaye :
But in this latter age of the world since the decay But in this latter age of the world since the decay
of the Romaine empyer empyer, yt was renewed and of the Romaine empyer, empyer yt was renewed and
brought in againe by those Northerne nations ; nations, brought in againe by those Northerne nations, nations ;
when breakinge out of there colde caues and frozen when breakinge out of there colde caues and frozen
habytacon into the sweate soyle of Europe , Europe, they habytacon into the sweate soyle of Europe, Europe , they
brought w i th wth them theire vsuall weedes weedes, fyt to brought wth w i th them theire vsuall weedes, weedes fyt to
sheyld the cold and that contynewall frost frost, to w hi ch wch sheyld the cold and that contynewall frost, frost to wch w hi ch
they had bene at home bene envred , envred, the w hi ch wch yet they had bene at home bene envred, envred , the wch w hi ch yet
they lefte not of , of, by reason that they were in ~ - they lefte not of, of , by reason that they were in - ~
p er petuall warrs , w hi ch warrs, wth the nations where they hadd p er petuall warrs, wth warrs , w hi ch the nations where they hadd
invaded , invaded, but still removinge from place to place ~ - invaded, invaded , but still removinge from place to place - ~
carryed alwaies w i th them , wth them, that weede as theire carryed alwaies wth them, w i th them , that weede as theire
howse , howse, there bed , bed, and theire garm ent en t , and Cominge ~ -- howse, howse , there bed, bed , and theire garm en t ent , and Cominge -- ~
lastlie into , Ireland , into, Ireland, they found there more speciall lastlie into, Ireland, into , Ireland , they found there more speciall
vse thereof ; thereof, by reason of the rawe cold clymate vse thereof, thereof ; by reason of the rawe cold clymate
from whome yt is nowe growen into that gen er all vse from whome yt is nowe growen into that gen er all vse
in w hi ch wch that people who now haue yt . yt, Afterward the in wch w hi ch that people now who haue yt, yt . Afterward the
Afrycans succedinge , succeding, yet fynding the little ~ little-- Afrycans succeding, succedinge , yet fynding the little-- little ~
necessitie necessitie
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32 of that garm en t , Contynewed the lyke vse thereof:: of that garm en t , Contynewed the lyke vse thereof:: 32
of that garm en t , Contynewed the lyke vse thereof :: of that garm en t , Contynewed the lyke vse thereof ::
Eudox: Since then the necessitie thereof is so comodious Eudox: Since then the necessitie thereof is so comodious
as yee allege that yt is in steade of howsinge , howsinge, as yee allege that yt is in steade of howsinge, howsinge ,
b beddinge , beddinge, and Clothinge , Clothinge, what reason haue b beddinge, beddinge , and Clothinge, Clothinge , what reason haue
yow then to wyshe , wyshe, so necessarie a thinge cast of : of: yow then to wyshe, wyshe , so necessarie a thinge cast of: of :
Iren: Because the Comodyties doth not Countervaile the Iren: Because the Comodyties doth not Countervaile the
discomoditie . ffor discomoditie. For the inconveniences w hi ch wch thereby doe discomoditie. For discomoditie . ffor the inconveniences wch w hi ch thereby doe
aryse , aryse, are much more manye , manye, for yt is a fitt howse aryse, aryse , are much more manye, manye , for yt is a fitt howse
for an outlawe , outlawe, a meete bedd for a rebell , rebell, and apte for an outlawe, outlawe , a meete bedd for a rebell, rebell , and apte
cloake for a theif . ffirst theif: First the owtlawe beinge for cloake for a theif: First theif . ffirst the owtlawe beinge for
his manye tymes crymes and villanies banished from his manye tymes crymes and villanies banished from
the Townes and howses of honest men , men, and wandring the Townes and howses of honest men, men , and wandring
in wast waste places farr from danger of lawe maketh in waste wast places farr from danger of lawe maketh
his mantle his howse , howse, and vnder yt covereth himself him self his mantle his howse, howse , and vnder yt covereth him self himself
from the wrathe of heaven , heaven, from the offence of the - from the wrathe of heaven, heaven , from the offence of the -
earth , earth, and from the sight of men , men, when yt rayneth earth, earth , and from the sight of men, men , when yt rayneth
yt is his pentice , yt is his pentice, when yt bloweth it is his tent , tent, - yt is his pentice, yt is his pentice , when yt bloweth it is his tent, - tent ,
when yt frezeth frezeth, yt is his tabernacle , tabernacle, In sommer when yt frezeth, frezeth yt is his tabernacle, tabernacle , In sommer
he can weare yt loose , loose, in wynter he can wrapp he can weare yt loose, loose , in wynter he can wrapp
yt close , yt close, at all tymes he can vse yt never heavye , yt close, yt close , at all tymes he can vse yt never heavye ,
never cumbersome . lykewise cumbersome. Lykewise for a rebell yt is never cumbersome. Lykewise cumbersome . lykewise for a rebell yt is
as servyceable . ffor servyceable: For in his warr that he ~~ -- as servyceable: For servyceable . ffor in his warr that he -- ~~
maketh , maketh, (yf at least he yt deserue the name of maketh, maketh , (yf at least he yt deserue the name of
warr ) in the thycke woodes warr) when he still flyeth, from his foe and streight passages , warr) when he still flyeth, from his foe warr ) in the thycke woodes and streight passages ,
waytinge for advantages , yt is his bedd , yea lurketh in the thycke woodes and streight passages, lurketh in the thycke woodes waytinge for advantages , yt is his bedd , yea and streight passages,
almost al waytinge for advantages, yt is his howshould stuffe . ffor the wood bedd, yea and waytinge for advantages, yt almost al his bedd, yea and howshould stuffe . ffor the wood is
his howse against almost all weathers , and his mantle his howshould stuffe: For the wood is almost his howse against all his howshould stuffe: For the wood is weathers , and his mantle
is his caue to slepe in : Therein he wrappethe his howse against all weathers, and his mantle his howse against all weathers, and his mantle is his caue to slepe in : Therein he wrappethe
is his self round and ensconceth him self .... strongly caue to slepe in: therein he wrappethe his caue to slepe in: therein he wrappethe self round and ensconceth him self .... strongly
his self round and ensconceth him self ro OB d strongly his self round and ensconceth him self ro OB d strongly
against against
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Letters obscured against the gnates, wch in gutter are supplied by conjecture the Countrye doe more annoye against the gnates, wch Letters obscured in the Countrye doe more annoye gutter are supplied by conjecture
against the grate , w hi ch in the Countrye doe more annoy the naked t OB rebells, whilst they kepe the woodes the naked t OB rebells, whilst they kepe the woodes against the grate , w hi ch in the Countrye doe more annoy
the naked .... rebels , whilst they kepe the woodes the naked .... rebels , whilst they kepe the woodes
and doe more sharpelie wound them then all theire and doe more sharpelie wound them then all theire
Enemies swordes or speares , w hi ch speares, wch can seldome - Enemies swordes or speares, wch speares , w hi ch can seldome -
come nigh them , them, yea and oftentymes their mantl e -theire mantle come nigh them, them , yea and oftentymes -theire mantle their mantl e
serveth them when they are nere dryven , dryven, beinge serveth them when they are nere dryven, dryven , beinge
wrapped aboute there lefte arme in steade of wrapped aboute there lefte arme in steade of
a Target for yt is hard to cutt thorowe yt w i th wth a Target for yt is hard to cutt thorowe yt wth w i th
a sworde, besides yt is light to beare lighte a sworde, besides yt is light to beare lighte
to throwe awaye , awaye, and beinge as they then como nlye comonlie to throwe awaye, awaye , and beinge as they then comonlie como nlye
are naked ; naked, it is to them all in all , all, lastlie for are naked, naked ; it is to them all in all, all , lastlie for
a theif yt is so hansome , hansome, as yt maye seme yt a theif yt is so hansome, hansome , as yt maye seme yt
was first invented for him . ffor him: For vnder yt he was first invented for him: For him . ffor vnder yt he
can clenlie conveye anye fytte pillaige , tha t pillaige, that can clenlie conveye anye fytte pillaige, that pillaige , tha t
cometh handsomelye in his waye , waye, and when he cometh handsomelye in his waye, waye , and when he
goeth abroad in the night on free bootinge , bootinge, yt is goeth abroad in the night on free bootinge, bootinge , yt is
his best and surest freind . ffor freind: For lyinge as they his best and surest freind: For freind . ffor lyinge as they
often doe , doe, twoe or three nightes togeather ab road a broad often doe, doe , twoe or three nightes togeather a broad ab road
to watch for there bootye w i th wth that they can to watch for there bootye wth w i th that they can
pprattelie p prattelie shroud them selues vnder a bushe or p prattelie pprattelie shroud them selues vnder a bushe or
a backsyde , backsyde, till they maye convenientlye do e doe a backsyde, backsyde , till they maye convenientlye doe do e
theire errand , errand, And when all is done , done, he can theire errand, errand , And when all is done, done , he can
in his mantle passe thorowe anye towne or in his mantle passe thorowe anye towne or
companye , companye, beinge those close hooded over his heade companye, companye , beinge close those hooded over his heade
as he vseth from knowledge of anye to whome he as he vseth from knowledge of anye to whome he
is endangered , endangered, Beesides all this he or any man is endangered, endangered , Beesides all this he or any man
ells that is disposed to mischeif or villanye ells that is disposed to mischeif or villanye
maye vnder his mantle goe p ri vilie , armed vilie, armed- maye vnder his mantle goe p ri vilie, armed- vilie , armed
w i th out wthout suspecion of any any, carrye his headpeace wthout w i th out suspecion of any, any carrye his headpeace
his skene or pystoll , pystoll, yf he please to bee alwayes his skene or pystoll, pystoll , yf he please to bee alwayes
in a reddynesse : reddynesse: Thus necessarie and fyttinge is a in a reddynesse: reddynesse : Thus necessarie and fyttinge is a
mantle for mantle for
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33 mantle for a badd man: And surelie for abadd huswif, yt is mantle for a badd man: And surelie for abadd huswif, yt is 33
mantle for a badd man . And surelie for a badd huswif , yt is noe lesse convenient. For some of them that bee these wandring noe lesse convenient. For some of them that bee these wandring mantle for a badd man . And surelie for a badd huswif , yt is
noe lesse convenient . ffor some weomen, called of them that bee these wandring Monashut , yt is half a wardrobe: weomen, called noe lesse convenient . ffor some of them Monashut , yt is half a wardrobe: that bee these wandring
women , called of them Monashul , yt is half a wardrobe . For in Somn m er ye shall fynde her arayed comonlye but in For in Somn m er ye shall fynde her arayed comonlye but in women , called of them Monashul , yt is half a wardrobe .
ffor in Sommer ye shall fynde her arayed comonlye but in ffor in Sommer ye shall fynde her arayed comonlye but in
her smocke and mantle to bee more r readye for the light her smocke and mantle to bee more r readye for the light
seruices . seruices: In winter and in her travell , travell, yt is her cloke and seruices: seruices . In winter and in her travell, travell , yt is her cloke and
saifgare and also a coverlett for her lewde exercyse And saifgare and also a coverlett for her lewde exercyse And
when she hath fylled her vessell , Vessell, vnder yt shee can when she hath fylled her Vessell, vessell , vnder yt shee can
hyde both her burthenn and her blame . burthen and her blame, yea and when her hyde both her burthen and her blame, burthenn and her blame . yea and when her
bastarde is i borne yt serues in steade of all her ~ - bastarde is i borne yt serues in steade of all her - ~
swadlinge cloute cloutes, and as for all other good women w hi ch wch swadlinge cloutes, cloute and as for all other good women wch w hi ch
loue to doe but lyttle worke worke, how hansome yt is to lye loue to doe but lyttle worke, worke how hansome yt is to lye
in and sleepe sleepe, or to louse them selues in the sunshine , sunshine, they in and sleepe, sleepe or to louse them selues in the sunshine, sunshine , they
that haue bene but a while in Ireland can well witnesse that haue bene but a while in Ireland can well witnesse
Sure I am that yee will thincke yt verie vnfytte for Sure I am that yee will thincke yt verie vnfytte for
good huswyves to stirr in or to busye her self about her good huswyves to stirr in or to busye her self about her
huswyferie in sorte as they should should., These bee some huswyferie in sorte as they should., should These bee some
of the abuses for w hi ch wch I would thincke yt meete to of the abuses for wch w hi ch I would thincke yt meete to
forbydd all mantells . mantells: forbydd all mantells: mantells .
Eudox: O evill mynded man ^that y t havinge reckoned vpp soe Eudox: O evill mynded man y t ^that havinge reckoned vpp soe
manye vses of mantles well mantles, will yee yett wishe yt to manye vses of mantles, will mantles well yee yett wishe yt to
bee abandoned , abandoned, Sure I thincke Diogines dishe did neu er bee abandoned, abandoned , Sure I thincke Diogines dishe did neu er
serue his m aste r more turnes , turnes, not w i th standinge wth standing that he serue his m aste r more turnes, turnes , not wth standing w i th standinge that he
made his dishe his Cupp , Cupp, his measure his waterpot , waterpott, made his dishe his Cupp, Cupp , his measure his waterpott, waterpot ,
then a mantle amantle doth an Irishe man , man, but I see they bee all then amantle a mantle doth an Irishe man, man , but I see they bee all
to badd intentes intentes, and there fore therefore I will ioyne w i th wth yow in to badd intentes, intentes and therefore there fore I will ioyne wth w i th yow in
abollishinge it But what blame laye yow to thee abollishinge it But what blame laye yow to thee
glibb glibb, take heade I praye yow that yow bee not to busie glibb, glibb take heade I praye yow that yow bee not to busie
therew i th therewth, for feare of yo u r yor owne blame ; blame, seinge our English therewth, therew i th for feare of yor yo u r owne blame, blame ; seinge our English
men take yt vpp in such a ^ gen er all fashion , fashion, to weare theire men take yt vpp in such a ^ gen er all fashion, fashion , to weare theire
heare so vnmeasurablie longe , longe, that some of them heare so vnmeasurablie longe, longe , that some of them
exceed the longest Irish glibbes glibbes: exceed the longest Irish glibbes: glibbes
Iren: I feare not the blame of anye vnderserued mislikes , vndeserued mislikes, Iren: I feare not the blame of anye vndeserued mislikes, vnderserued mislikes ,
but for the Irishe glibbes I saye that besydes there but for the Irishe glibbes I saye that besydes there
salvage bruttishnes and fylthynes , w hi ch fylthynes, wch is not to be blamed salvage bruttishnes and fylthynes, wch fylthynes , w hi ch is not to be blamed
named named
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named , named, they are fytte maskes as a mantle is for a theif : ffor theif: For named, named , they are fytte maskes as a mantle is for a theif: For theif : ffor
when soever whensoever hee hath run him self into that p er ill of law e lawe whensoever when soever hee hath run him self into that p er ill of lawe law e
that he will not bee knowen he eyther cutteth of his glibb e that he will not bee knowen he eyther cutteth of his glibb e
quite by w hi ch wch he becometh nothinge lyke him self , self, or pulleth quite by wch w hi ch he becometh nothinge lyke him self, self , or pulleth
yt so lowe downe over his eyes , eyes, that it is verie hard to yt so lowe downe over his eyes, eyes , that it is verie hard to
discerne his thevishe face countenance , countenance, And therefore discerne his thevishe face countenance, countenance , And therefore
fytte to bee trussed vpp w i th wth the mantle . mantle: fytte to bee trussed vpp wth w i th the mantle: mantle .
Eudox: Truelye these three Scythian abuses I hould fytt e fytte Eudox: Truelye these three Scythian abuses I hould fytte fytt e
to bee taken awaye w i th wth sharpe pennalties , pennalties, And sure I to bee taken awaye wth w i th sharpe pennalties, pennalties , And sure I
wounder how they haue bene kepte this longe , thus longe, not w i th stand wthstand wounder how they haue bene kepte thus longe, this longe , not wthstand w i th stand
inge so manye good provicons and orders as haue hoaue bene inge so manye good provicons and orders as hoaue haue bene
deuized , deuized, for that people . people: deuized, deuized , for that people: people .
Iren: The cause thereof shall appeare to yow hereafter hereafter. Iren: The cause thereof shall appeare to yow hereafter. hereafter
But lett vs now goe forward w i th wth oure Scythian custom es customes But lett vs now goe forward wth w i th oure Scythian customes custom es
of the next that I haue to treate of , of, is the manner of the next that I haue to treate of, of , is the manner
of the rasinge theire Ioye in theire Conflictes and at of the rasinge theire Ioye in theire Conflictes and at
other troble somes troblesomes of vprore vprore, The w hi ch wch is verie Natura l Naturall other troblesomes troble somes of vprore, vprore The wch w hi ch is verie Naturall Natura l
Scithians Scithian s as yee maye read in Diodorus Siculus , and Scithian s Scithians as yee maye read in Diodorus Siculus , and
Heroditus , discribinge the mann er of the Scithians and Heroditus , discribinge the mann er of the Scithians and
Perthians , cominge to OB giue the charge at theire battl es battells Perthians , cominge to OB giue the charge at theire battells battl es
at the w hi ch wch it is said , said, they came runninge w i th a tyrrible rvnninge wth atyrrible yell at the wch w hi ch it is said, said , they came rvnninge wth atyrrible runninge w i th a tyrrible yell
^ and hubbubbe , and Hubbubbe, as if heaven and earth would haue gone togeath er togeather and Hubbubbe, ^ and hubbubbe , as if heaven and earth would haue gone togeather togeath er
w hi ch wch is the verie waye Image of the Irishe hubbub Hubbubb wch w hi ch is the verie waye Image of the Irishe Hubbubb hubbub
w hi ch theire keirne wch theire Keirne vse at theire first encounter : encounter: wch theire Keirne w hi ch theire keirne vse at theire first encounter: encounter :
Besides the same herodotus Herodotus wryteth that they ~ they- Besides the same Herodotus herodotus wryteth that they- they ~
vsed in theire battailes to call vppon vpon the names of vsed in theire battailes to call vpon vppon the names of
theire Captaines or Gen er alls and sometimes vpon theire theire Captaines or Gen er alls and sometimes vpon theire
greatest kinge deceased , Kinge deceased, as in that Battaile of greatest Kinge deceased, kinge deceased , as in that Battaile of
Tomyrys Tomyres against Cyrus , w hi ch wch custome to this daye Tomyres Tomyrys against Cyrus , wch w hi ch custome to this daye
manyfestlie appeareth OB amongst the Irishe : ffor Irishe: For manyfestlie appeareth OB amongst the Irishe: For Irishe : ffor
at theire Ioyninge of battle they lyke wise lykewise call at theire Ioyninge of battle they lykewise lyke wise call
vpon theire Captaines name or the name of h is his vpon theire Captaines name or the name of his h is
Anncestors , Auncestors, As they vnder Oneale crye ~ crye- Auncestors, Anncestors , As they vnder Oneale crye- crye ~
Landergabo that is the bloodye hand w hi ch is Onea ls wch is Oneales Landergabo that is the bloodye hand wch is Oneales w hi ch is Onea ls
badge badge: badge: badge
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34 34
And to theire ensample the old Englishe And to theire ensample the old Englishe
also w i th wch theire remayneth haue gotten vpp their the ire cryes also wch w i th theire remayneth haue gotten vpp the ire their cryes
Scithian lyke , lyke, as Cromabo and Butlerabo , Butlerabo, And herein Scithian lyke, lyke , as Cromabo and Butlerabo, Butlerabo , And herein
all also lyeth open another verye manyfest proof , proof, that also all lyeth open another verye manyfest proof, proof , that
the Irishe or Scyths ar Scyths: or Scottes , ffor For in all theire encounters the Irishe ar Scyths: or Scyths or Scottes , For ffor in all theire encounters
they vse one verie comon word , com m on word, cryinge f F Ferragh ferragh they vse one verie com m on word, comon word , cryinge F f Ferragh ferragh
w hi ch wch is a scottishe worde to witt the name of one of wch w hi ch is a scottishe worde to witt the name of one of
theire first kinges Kinges of Scotland called Fergus or theire first Kinges kinges of Scotland called Fergus or
Ferragus , w hi ch wch fought against the Pickes as yee Ferragus , wch w hi ch fought against the Pickes as yee
maye read in Buckanam Buckanam, de Rebus Scoticis : Scoticis: But maye read in Buckanam, Buckanam de Rebus Scoticis: Scoticis : But
as others writte writte, yt was longe before , before, that the name as others writte, writte yt was longe before, before , that the name
of thei the i re cheif Capten , Capten, vnder whom they fought ~ fought- of the i thei re cheif Capten, Capten , vnder whom they fought- fought ~
against the Afrycans the w hi ch Afrycans, the wch was then so fortunate against the Afrycans, the wch Afrycans the w hi ch was then so fortunate
vnto them , them, that ever sythens they haue vsed to call vpon vp p on vnto them, them , that ever sythens they haue vsed to call vp p on vpon
his name in theire Battailes . Battailes: his name in theire Battailes: Battailes .
Eudox: beleive me this observacon yo u r yor Irenius is verie good Eudox: beleive me this observacon yor yo u r Irenius is verie good
and delightfull delightfull, farr beyonde the blynde Conceyt of some and delightfull, delightfull farr beyonde the blynde Conceyt of some
who I remember haue vpon the same worde Farragh , haue who I remember haue vpon the same worde Farragh , haue
made a verie blunte coniecture . coniecture, as namelye mr Mr made a verie blunte coniecture, coniecture . as namelye Mr mr
Stanihurst , who though he bee the same Countryman Stanihurst , who though he bee the same Countryman
borne , borne, that should search more nearelie into the ~ - borne, borne , that should search more nearelie into the - ~
secrete secretes of these thinges thinges, yett haue strayed from the secretes secrete of these thinges, thinges yett haue strayed from the
truth truth, all the heavens wyde , wyde; (as they saye ) . saye). for truth, truth all the heavens wyde; wyde , (as they saye). saye ) . for
hee there vpon therevpon groundeth a verie averie grosse ymadginacon , ymadginacon, hee therevpon there vpon groundeth averie a verie grosse ymadginacon, ymadginacon ,
that the Irishe should discende from the Egyiptians Egiptians that the Irishe should discende from the Egiptians Egyiptians
w hi ch wch came into that Iland Iland, first vnder the leadinge wch w hi ch came into that Iland, Iland first vnder the leadinge
of Scota the daughter of Pharao , cryinge Ferragh of Scota the daughter of Pharao , cryinge Ferragh
Ferragh , Surelie he shott wyde on the bowe hand , hand, and Ferragh , Surelie he shott wyde on the bowe hand, hand , and
verie farr from the m ar ke : ffor ke: For I would first knowe knowe- verie farr from the m ar ke: For ke : ffor I would first knowe- knowe
of him what ancyente ground of aucthoritie he hath of him what ancyente ground of aucthoritie he hath
for such a sencelesse fable , fable, and yf he haue anye for such a sencelesse fable, fable , and yf he haue anye
of the rude Irishe bookes , bookes, as yt maye bee he hath of the rude Irishe bookes, bookes , as yt maye bee he hath
yett mee semes a man of his learning should not so yett mee semes a man of his learning should not so
lightlie haue bene carryed awaye w i th wth ould wyves lightlie haue bene carryed awaye wth w i th ould wyves
tailes tailes
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tailes from approvance of his owne reason : ffor whethe r reason: For whether tailes from approvance of his owne reason: For whether reason : ffor whethe r
Scota be like an AEgiptian: word , Ægiptian: word, or smacke of anye Scota be like an Ægiptian: word, AEgiptian: word , or smacke of anye
learninge or iudgm e nt en t , lett the learned iudge , iudge, But his learninge or iudgm en t e nt , lett the learned iudge, iudge , But his
Scota rather comes vpon the Greeke Scotes Scotos , th at that Scota rather comes vpon the Greeke Scotes Scotos , that th at
is darkenes w hi ch wch hath not lett him see the light of is darkenes wch w hi ch hath not lett him see the light of
the truth. truth: the truth: truth.
Irenius Irenius: Yow know not Eudox: Eudox : , how well mr M aste r Stannih: coud could Irenius: Irenius Yow know not Eudox : Eudox: , how well M aste r mr Stannih: could coud
see in the darke darke, p er happs he hath owles or Cattes ey es eyes see in the darke, darke p er happs he hath owles or Cattes eyes ey es
but well I wote he seeth not well the verie light in but well I wote he seeth not well the verie light in
matters of more weight weight: But as for Ferragh : I haue matters of more weight: weight : But as for Ferragh I haue
tould yow my coniecture onelye , onelye, and yett thus much tould yow my coniecture onelye, onelye , and yett thus much
I haue more to proue a lykelyhood , lykelyhood, that there bee ye t yett I haue more to proue a lykelyhood, lykelyhood , that there bee yett ye t
at this daye in Ireland Ireland, manye Irishe men cheif lie cheifelie at this daye in Ireland, Ireland manye Irishe men cheifelie cheif lie
in the Northerne p ar tes called by the name of Farrag h Farragh in the Northerne p ar tes called by the name of Farragh Farrag h
But lett that now bee , bee, this onelie for this place ~ - But lett that now bee, bee , this onelie for this place - ~
suffyceth suffyceth, that yt is a worde aworde vsed in theire Como n Com m on suffyceth, suffyceth that yt is aworde a worde vsed in theire Com m on Como n
hubbubes the w hi ch w i th all Hubbubes, the wch wthall the rest is to be abollyshed abollished, Hubbubes, the wch wthall hubbubes the w hi ch w i th all the rest is to be abollished, abollyshed
for that yt discouereth an Irish affectacon of Irish Irishe -- for that yt discouereth an Irish affectacon of Irishe -- Irish
Captenrie w hi ch Captenrie, wch in this platforme I endeavor ~ -- Captenrie, wch Captenrie w hi ch in this platforme I endeavor -- ~
speciallie to beate downe . downe, There bee other sortes speciallie to beate downe, downe . There bee other sortes
of cryes all so vsed amongst the Irishe , w hi ch Irishe, wch of cryes all so vsed amongst the Irishe, wch Irishe , w hi ch
savoure greatlie of Scithian: barbarisme , Scithian : barbarisme, as savoure greatlie of Scithian : barbarisme, Scithian: barbarisme , as
there lamentacons theire Lamentacons at theire burialls , w i th burialls, wth disparefull theire Lamentacons there lamentacons at theire burialls, wth burialls , w i th disparefull
outcryes , outcryes, and ymoderatee waylinges , ymoderate waylinges, the w hi ch mr wch m r outcryes, outcryes , and ymoderate waylinges, ymoderatee waylinges , the wch m r w hi ch mr
Stannihurst might also haue vsed , vsed, for an Arg um e nt Argum en t Stannihurst might also haue vsed, vsed , for an Argum en t Arg um e nt
to proue them AEgiptians w hi ch lamented Ægiptians wch lamented, for the de ath death to proue them Ægiptians wch lamented, AEgiptians w hi ch lamented for the death de ath
of Josephe . Iosephe. Others thincke this Custome Custome, to co me come of Iosephe. Josephe . Others thincke this Custome, Custome to come co me
from the Spanyardes , Spanyardes, for that they doe so immea sur immeasure from the Spanyardes, Spanyardes , for that they doe so immeasure immea sur
ablie lykewise bewaile theire deade . deade. But the sa me same ablie lykewise bewaile theire deade. deade . But the same sa me
is not proper spannishe , Spannishe, but altogeather heathe nish Heathenish is not proper Spannishe, spannishe , but altogeather Heathenish heathe nish
brought in first thither eyther by that the Scythians : brought in first thither eyther by the that Scythians :
or the Moores : w hi ch wch were Afrycanes , Afrycans, but longe or the Moores : wch w hi ch were Afrycans, Afrycanes , but longe
possessed that Countrie : ffor Countrie: For yt is the mann er of all possessed that Countrie: For Countrie : ffor yt is the mann er of all
Pagans , and Infidells , to bee yntemperate in there Pagans , and Infidells , to bee yntemperate in there
waylinges , waylinges, of theire dead , dead, for that they had noe waylinges, waylinges , of theire dead, dead , for that they had noe
faith faith
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35 faith nor hope of salvacon, and this yll custome also is -- faith nor hope of salvacon, and this yll custome also is -- 35
faith nor hope of salvacon , and this yll custome also is ~ faith nor hope of salvacon , and this yll custome also is ~
speciallye noted by Dyodorus Siculus to haue bene in speciallye noted by Dyodorus Siculus to haue bene in
the Scythians , and is yett amongst the Northerne Scottes the Scythians , and is yett amongst the Northerne Scottes
Eudox: This is an evill custome also but yett doth not Eudox: This is an evill custome also but yett doth not
so much concerne civill reformacon , reformacon, as abuse in religion relidgion so much concerne civill reformacon, reformacon , as abuse in relidgion religion
Iren: I did not rehearse yt as one of the abuses w hi ch wch I thought Iren: I did not rehearse yt as one of the abuses wch w hi ch I thought
most worth of reformacon , reformacon, but havinge made mencon most worth of reformacon, reformacon , but havinge made mencon
of Irishe cryes , cryes, I thought this manner of Cryinge and of Irishe cryes, cryes , I thought this manner of Cryinge and
howlinge not ymp er tynent to be noted as vncyvill howlinge not ymp er tynent to be noted as vncyvill
and Scythians and Scithians like : ffor For by these ould Customes , Customes, and other and Scithians and Scythians like : For ffor by these ould Customes, Customes , and other
lyke coniecturall Circumstances , Circumstances, the discentes of nacons lyke coniecturall Circumstances, Circumstances , the discentes of nacons
can onlie onelie be proved ; proved, where ofther monuments other monumentes of can onelie onlie be proved, proved ; where other monumentes ofther monuments of
wrytinge bee not remayninge : remayninge: wrytinge bee not remayninge: remayninge :
Eudox: then Then I praye yow when soever whensoever in yo u r discourse yow yor disourse yow Eudox: Then then I praye yow whensoever when soever in yor disourse yow yo u r discourse yow
meete w i th wth them by the waye doe not shune but boldlie meete wth w i th them by the waye doe not shune but boldlie
touch them : ffor them: For besydes theme theire greate pleasure and delight touch them: For them : ffor besydes theire theme greate pleasure and delight
for theire antyquitiee , antyquitie, they bringe also greate p ro fitt for theire antyquitie, antyquitiee , they bringe also greate p ro fitt
and helpe vnto Civillitie : Civillitie: and helpe vnto Civillitie: Civillitie :
Iren: Then sith yow will haue yt so I will heare take ~ - Iren: Then sith yow will haue yt so I will heare take - ~
occasion since I latelie spake of theire mann er occasion since I latelie spake of theire mann er
of cryes cryes, in ioyinnge battaile ioyninge battaile, to s -- - speake also of cryes, cryes in ioyninge battaile, ioyinnge battaile to s - -- speake also
some what somewhate of the mann e r man n er of theire Armes and somewhate some what of the man n er mann e r of theire Armes and
arraye in Battaile w i th wth other customes p er happs arraye in Battaile wth w i th other customes p er happs
worth worthe the notinge ; notinge, And first of theire armes worthe worth the notinge, notinge ; And first of theire armes
and weapons , weapons, amongst w hi ch wch theire broade swordes and weapons, weapons , amongst wch w hi ch theire broade swordes
are prop er Scithian : ffor For such the Scythes vsed are prop er Scithian : For ffor such the Scythes vsed
comonlye as yee maye read , read, in Olaus magnns magnus comonlye as yee maye read, read , in Olaus magnus magnns
and the same also the ould Scottes used vsed as yee and the same also the ould Scottes vsed used as yee
maye read in Buchanam and in maye read in Buchanam and in
where the where the
pyctures of them are in the same forme expressed . expressed: pyctures of them are in the same forme expressed: expressed .
Also theire shorte bowes and little quivers w i th shorte wth shorte Also theire shorte bowes and little quivers wth shorte w i th shorte
bearded arrowes , arrowes, are verie Scythian as ye bearded arrowes, arrowes , are verie Scythian as ye
maye read in the same Olaus , and the same maye read in the same Olaus , and the same
bowes quivers quiuers & arrowes are at this daye to bee sene comonlie amongst the northerne .. bowes quiuers quivers & arrowes are at this daye to bee sene comonlie amongst the northerne ..
sorte both of ^ Irishe , Irishe, whose scottishe bowes are not sorte both of Irishe, ^ Irishe , whose scottishe bowes are not
past three quarters of a yeard longe w i th wth a stringe past three quarters of a yeard longe wth w i th a stringe
of wreathed hempe , hempe, slacklie bente and whose arrowes of wreathed hempe, hempe , slacklie bente and whose arrowes
are ar not ar are not
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are not about aboue half an elne longe typped w i th wth steale are not aboue about half an elne longe typped wth w i th steale
heades made like comon com m on broad arrowes heades , heades, but mu ch many heades made like com m on comon broad arrowes heades, heades , but many mu ch
more sharpe and slender , slender, that they enter into an Arm ed Armed more sharpe and slender, slender , that they enter into an Armed Arm ed
man or horse most crewellie , crewellie, not with standinge withstandinge that man or horse most crewellie, crewellie , not withstandinge with standinge that
they are shott forth weakelie , weakelie, More over theire longe they are shott forth weakelie, weakelie , More over theire longe
broade sheildes , sheildes, made but of wicker roddes w hi ch wch are com onlie como n lie broade sheildes, sheildes , made but of wicker roddes wch w hi ch are como n lie com onlie
vsed amongst thee said Northerne Irishe , Irishe, but spe cially specially vsed amongst thee said Northerne Irishe, Irishe , but specially spe cially
of the Scottes , Scottes, and brought from the Scythians as y ee yee of the Scottes, Scottes , and brought from the Scythians as yee y ee
maye reade in Olaus magnus Solinus , and other s others maye reade in Olaus magnus Solinus , and others other s
likewise Likewise theire goinge to battayle w i th out wthout Armour or on Likewise likewise theire goinge to battayle wthout w i th out Armour on or
theire bodies or heades , heades, but trusting onelie to the thickn es thicknes theire bodies or heades, heades , but trusting onelie to the thicknes thickn es
of theire glibbes , glibbs, the w hi ch wch they saye will sometymes of theire glibbs, glibbes , the wch w hi ch they saye will sometymes
beare of a good strooke , agood strooke, ys meere salvage and beare of agood strooke, a good strooke , ys meere salvage and
Scythian , Scythian, as yee maye see in the said Images of the Scythian, Scythian , as yee maye see in the said Images of the
ould Scythes , Scythes, or scottes : sett forth by Herodianus and ot hers others ould Scythes, Scythes , or scottes : sett forth by Herodianus and others ot hers
besides theire confused kynde of march in hea pes heapes besides theire confused kynde of march in heapes hea pes
w i th out wthout any order or arraye , arraye, theire Clashinge of wthout w i th out any order or arraye, arraye , theire Clashinge of
swordes togeather , theire feirre togeather, theire feirce rvnninge vppon th eire vpon theire swordes togeather, theire feirce togeather , theire feirre rvnninge vpon theire vppon th eire
Enemies , Enemies, and theire mann er of feighte , feighte, resembleth Enemies, Enemies , and theire mann er of feighte, feighte , resembleth
altogeather that w hi ch wch is radd redd in all histories to haue -- altogeather that wch w hi ch is redd radd in all histories to haue --
bene vsed of the Scythians by w hi ch wch yt maye bee yt bee, yt bene vsed of the Scythians by wch w hi ch yt maye bee, yt bee yt
maye almost infallablie be gathered to geather w i th wth maye almost infallablie be gathered to geather wth w i th
other circumstances that OB the Irishe are verie Sco ttes Scotes other circumstances that OB the Irishe are verie Scotes Sco ttes
or Scythes oridginallie though sythense interming led sythence intermingled or Scythes oridginallie though sythence intermingled sythense interming led
w i th wth many other verie stronge coniectures nacons wth w i th many other verie stronge coniectures nacons
repayringe and Ioyninge vnto them . them, And to the v se vse repayringe and Ioyninge vnto them, them . And to the vse v se
I maye also add another verie stronge coniecture I maye also add another verie stronge coniecture
w hi ch wch cometh to my mynde , mynde, that I haue often obser ved observed wch w hi ch cometh to my mynde, mynde , that I haue often observed obser ved
there amongst them , them, that is , is, certaine rell rel relidgious cere mo ceremo there amongst them, them , that is, is , certaine rel rell relidgious ceremo cere mo
nies w hi ch wch are verie sup er stitiousllie stitiouslie yet vsed amongst nies wch w hi ch are verie sup er stitiouslie stitiousllie yet vsed amongst
them , them, the w hi ch wch are also wrytten by sundrie authors them, them , the wch w hi ch are also wrytten by sundrie authors
to haue bene obserued amongst the S..ions Scythia ns S OB cions Scythians to haue bene obserued amongst the S OB cions Scythians S..ions Scythia ns
by w hi ch wch yt maye verie vehementlie bee p re sumed by wch w hi ch yt maye verie vehementlie bee p re sumed
that the nacons were anncyentlie auncyentlie all one , ffor one, For that the nacons were auncyentlie anncyentlie all one, For one , ffor
Plutarch as I remember in his treatise of Plutarch as I remember in his treatise of
Homere Homeree , endeavoringe to search out the truth truth, Homeree Homere , endeavoringe to search out the truth, truth
what Countryman Homere was , was, proveth that yt m ost most what Countryman Homere was, was , proveth that yt most m ost
stronglie stronglie
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36 stronglie as he thincketh, that he was an Itollian - stronglie as he thincketh, that he was an Itollian - 36
stronglie as he thincketh , borne, for that he was an Itollian ~ in distributinge of a sacrafice of the borne, for stronglie as he thincketh , that in distributinge of a sacrafice of the he was an Itollian ~
borne , for that in dystributinge of a sacrafice of the Greekes, he omitted the called the wch Greekes, he omitted the called the wch borne , for that in dystributinge of a sacrafice of the
wthall the other grecians, saue onelie the Ætolians wthall the other grecians, saue onelie the Ætolians
w i th all the other grecians , saue onelie the Atolians doe vse to burne in theire sacryfice, Also for that doe vse to burne in theire sacryfice, Also for that w i th all the other grecians , saue onelie the Atolians
doe vse he maketh the entralls to burne in theire sacryfice , Also for that be rosted on fyve spites he maketh the entralls doe vse to be rosted on fyve spites burne in theire sacryfice , Also for that
he maketh the entralls to be rosted on fyre spite The wch was the proper mann er of the Ætolians , whoe The wch was the proper mann er of the Ætolians , whoe he maketh the entralls to be rosted on fyre spite
The w hi ch was the proper mann er of the AEtolians , whoo onelie of all the nations and Countries of Grecia onelie of all the nations and Countries of Grecia The w hi ch was the proper mann er of the AEtolians , whoo
onlie of vsed to sacrifice in that sorte, whereas all the nations and Countries of Grecia vsed to sacrifice in that sorte, whereas onlie of all the nations and Countries of Grecia
vsed to sacrifice in that sorte , whereas all the nations vsed to sacrifice in that sorte , whereas all the nations
and rest of the Greekes vsed to rost them vpon and rest of the Greekes vsed to rost them vpon
three spites . spites, by w hi ch wch he inferreth in ferreth necessarelie that three spites, spites . by wch w hi ch he in ferreth inferreth necessarelie that
homere was ane AEtolian . an Ætolian , And by the same reason may homere was an Ætolian , ane AEtolian . And by the same reason may
I as reasonablie conclude , conclude, that the Irishe are ~~ -- I as reasonablie conclude, conclude , that the Irishe are -- ~~
discended from the Scithians , Scithians, for that they vse even discended from the Scithians, Scithians , for that they vse even
to this daye . daye, some of the same Ceremonies , w hi ch Ceremonies, wch is to this daye, daye . some of the same Ceremonies, wch Ceremonies , w hi ch is
the Scythians ancientlie vsed , vsed, as for example the Scythians ancientlie vsed, vsed , as for example
yee maye reade in in that sweete Dialogue yee maye reade in in that sweete Dialogue
w hi ch wch is entitled Toxaxis , or of frendshipp that the wch w hi ch is entitled Toxaxis , or of frendshipp that the
comon aoth com m on oath of the Scythians , Scythians, was by the sworde com m on oath comon aoth of the Scythians, Scythians , was by the sworde
and by the fyer , fyer, for that they accounted , accounted, those twoe and by the fyer, fyer , for that they accounted, accounted , those twoe
two speciall devine powers , w hi ch powres, wch should worke vengance two speciall devine powres, wch powers , w hi ch should worke vengance
on periurors , periurors, So doe the Irishe at this daye when on periurors, periurors , So doe the Irishe at this daye when
they goe to ani battaile , anye battaile, saye certaine prayers they goe to anye battaile, ani battaile , saye certaine prayers
or charmes to theire swordes makinge makeinge a Crosse or charmes to theire swordes makeinge makinge a Crosse
there w i th therewth vpon the Earth , Earth, and thrusting the pointe therewth there w i th vpon the Earth, Earth , and thrusting the pointe
of theire blade blades into the ground , ground, thincking thereby of theire blades blade into the ground, ground , thincking thereby
to haue the better successe in feight . feight; Also they theyf vse to haue the better successe in feight; feight . Also theyf they vse
to sweare comonlye com m onlye by theire swordes , swordes, likewise to sweare com m onlye comonlye by theire swordes, swordes , likewise
at the kyndlinge of Candles they saye certaine at the kyndlinge of Candles they saye certaine
prayers , prayers, and vse some other sup er stitius rightes , w hi ch rightes, wch prayers, prayers , and vse some other sup er stitius rightes, wch rightes , w hi ch
showe that they honor the fyer and the light lighte, showe that they honor the fyer and the lighte, light
for all those Northerne nacons having bene vsed for all those Northerne nacons having bene vsed
to haue bee anoyed w i th wth much colde and darkenesse to haue bee anoyed wth w i th much colde and darkenesse
are wonte therefore to haue the fyer and the sonne are wonte therefore to haue the fyer and the sonne
in greate veneracon , venerac i on, like as contrarie-wise , contrariwise, the in greate venerac i on, veneracon , like as contrariwise, contrarie-wise , the
Moores Moores
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Moores and Egiptians w hi ch wch are much offended and gre ued greved Moores and Egiptians wch w hi ch are much offended and greved gre ued
w i th wth much extreame heate of the Sune , sune, doe ever ie everie wth w i th much extreame heate of the sune, Sune , doe everie ever ie
morninge when the sune same ryseth fall to curs ing cursing morninge when the same sune ryseth fall to cursing curs ing
and banninge of him , him, as theire plague and ch ief cheif and banninge of him, him , as theire plague and cheif ch ief
scourge , scourge, Also the Scythians vsed when they wou ld would scourge, scourge , Also the Scythians vsed when they would wou ld
bynde anye solemne vowe , vowe, or Combynacon , Combynacon, to bynde anye solemne vowe, vowe , or Combynacon, Combynacon , to
drincke a bowle of blood, togeather vowinge there drincke a bowle of blood, togeather vowinge there
by to spende theire last bloode in that quarrell by to spende theire last bloode in that quarrell
And even so doe the wild scottes , scottes, as ye maye ~ - And even so doe the wild scottes, scottes , as ye maye - ~
reade in Buchanam Buckhanam and some of the Notherne Northerne reade in Buckhanam Buchanam and some of the Northerne Notherne
Irishe likewise , Irish likewise, as yee maye also reade in Irish likewise, Irishe likewise , as yee maye also reade in
the same booke , o booke, O in the tale of Arsacomas that the same booke, O booke , o in the tale of Arsacomas that
yt was the manner of the Scythians when on OB yt was the manner of the Scythians when OB on
anye one of them was heavelie wronged and anye one of them was heavelie wronged and
would assemble vnto him anye forces of people to would assemble vnto him anye forces of people to
Ioyne w i th wth him in his revenge to sytte in in some Ioyne wth w i th him in his revenge to sytte in in some
publique place for certaine dayes vpon an oxehid e oxehyde publique place for certaine dayes vpon an oxehyde oxehid e
to w hi ch wch there would resorte all such p er sons as bei nge being to wch w hi ch there would resorte all such p er sons as being bei nge
disposed to take armes would enter inter into h is his disposed to take armes would enter inter into his h is
Armes would enter into his paye or ioyne w i th wth Armes would enter into his paye or ioyne wth w i th
him in his quarrell , quarrell, and the same yee maye like wi likewi him in his quarrell, quarrell , and the same yee maye likewi like wi
se reade to haue bene the ancient mann er of th e the se reade to haue bene the ancient mann er of the th e
wilde scottes w hi ch wch are indeed the verie naturall naturall- wilde scottes wch w hi ch are indeed the verie naturall- naturall
Irishe : more Irishe: More over the Scythians vsed to sw eare sweare Irishe: More Irishe : more over the Scythians vsed to sweare sw eare
by there kinges hande as as, Olaus sheweth shewe th , And by there kinges hande as, as , Olaus shewe th sheweth And
so doe the Irishe vse now vse to sweare by the ire there so doe the Irishe vse now vse to sweare by there the ire
lordes hand , hand, and to forsweare yt , yt, hold yt more lordes hand, hand , and to forsweare yt, yt , hold yt more
Cryminall then to sweare by god , god, Also the scyth Cryminall then to sweare by god, god , Also the scyth
ians said that they were once eu er ie yere turned into ians said that they were once eu er ie yere turned into
wolues , wolues, and so yt is written of the Irishe though wolues, wolues , and so yt is written of the Irishe though
mr M r Cambden : in a better sence doe suppose yt M r mr Cambden : in a better sence doe suppose yt
was deseaze , deseaze, called Ls H Hicanthropia , so named of was deseaze, deseaze , called H Ls Hicanthropia , so named of
the wolf and yet some of the Irishe doe vse to mak e make the wolf and yet some of the Irishe doe vse to make mak e
the wolf the wolf
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37 the wolf theire gossopp: The Scithians also vsed the wolf theire gossopp: The Scithians also vsed 37
the most theire gossopp : The Scithians also vsed to seeththe fleshe in the hyde, and so doe the north to seeththe fleshe in the hyde, and so doe the north the most theire gossopp : The Scithians also vsed
Irishe, yet the Scithians likewise vsed to seeth the fleshe in the hyde, and so doe the north boyle to boyle seeth the fleshe in the hyde, and so doe the north
Irishe , yet the Scithians likewise vsed the bloode of the beast lyvinge, and to boyle make meate the bloode of the beast lyvinge, and Irishe , yet the Scithians likewise vsed to make meate boyle
the bloode of the beast lyvinge , thereof, and to make meate so doe the Irishe still in the north, - thereof, the bloode of the beast lyvinge , and so doe the Irishe still in the north, - to make meate
thereof , and so doe the Irishe still in the north , manye such customes I could recounte vnto yow as of manye such customes I could recounte vnto yow as of thereof , and so doe the Irishe still in the north ,
manye such customes I could recounte vnto yow as of theire ould mann er of marryinge of burying of theire ould mann er of marryinge of burying of manye such customes I could recounte vnto yow as of
theire ould manner of marryinge of burying of dancinge, of singinge, of feastinge of cursinge, dancinge, of singinge, of feastinge of cursinge, theire ould manner of marryinge of burying of
dancinge , of singinge , of feastinge of cursinge , dancinge , of singinge , of feastinge of cursinge ,
though Christyans haue wyped out the most p ar te of though Christyans haue wyped out the most p ar te of
them , them, by resemblance , resemblance, whereof yt might plainelie them, them , by resemblance, resemblance , whereof yt might plainelie
appeare , appeare, to yow that the nacons are the same , s a me, appeare, appeare , to yow that the nacons are the s a me, same ,
but that by the reckoninge of these fewe w hi ch wch I haue but that by the reckoninge of these fewe wch w hi ch I haue
tould vnto yow yow, I fynde mye my OB speache drawen oute tould vnto yow, yow I fynde my OB mye speache drawen oute
to a greater lengthe , lengthe, then I purposed ; purposed: Thus much to a greater lengthe, lengthe , then I purposed: purposed ; Thus much
onelie for this tyme , tyme, I hope shall suffise yow to onelie for this tyme, tyme , I hope shall suffise yow to
thintke thincke that the Irishe are auncyentlie deduced thincke thintke that the Irishe are auncyentlie deduced
from the scythians . scythians:: from the scythians:: scythians .
Eudox: Eudox : Surelie Irenius I haue in these fewe wordes Eudox : Eudox: Surelie Irenius I haue in these fewe wordes
heard that from yow w hi ch wch I could haue thought had heard that from yow wch w hi ch I could haue thought had
bene ympossible to haue bene spoken of tymes bene ympossible to haue bene spoken of tymes
so remote , and Customes so auncyent , w i th auncyent, wth delight so remote , and Customes so auncyent, wth auncyent , w i th delight
whereof , whereof, I was all that while as yt weree whereof, whereof , I was all that while as yt weree
entranced and carried farr from my self , self, as that entranced and carried farr from my self, self , as that
I am now right sorye , sorye, that yee ended so soone , soone, I am now right sorye, sorye , that yee ended so soone, soone ,
But I marvile much , how yt cometh com m eth to passe , passe, that But I marvile much , how yt com m eth cometh to passe, passe , that
in so longe Contrynewance Contynewance of tyme and manye in so longe Contynewance Contrynewance of tyme and manye
ages come betwene yett anye Iott of these those ould ages come betwene yett anye Iott of those these ould
Rytes and sup er stitious stions Customes should remaine amongst Rytes and sup er stions stitious Customes should remaine amongst
them : them: them: them :
Iren: It is noe cause of wounder at all , all, for yt is Iren: It is noe cause of wounder at all, all , for yt is
the manner of all barborous nacons nac i ons to be verie verie- the manner of all barborous nac i ons nacons to be verie- verie
sup er stitious and deligent observers of ould Customes sup er stitious and deligent observers of ould Customes
and antiquities and antiquities
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w hi ch wch they receaue by contynewall tradicon tradicon, from thire youth theire paren tes , wch w hi ch they receaue by contynewall tradicon, tradicon , from theire paren tes thire youth
by recordinge of theire bardes and Cronicles in theire by recordinge of theire bardes and Cronicles in theire
songes songes, and by dalie vse and ensample of theire eldesr eldest songes, songes and by dalie vse and ensample of theire eldest eldesr
elders :: elders:: elders:: elders ::
Eudox: But haue yow I praye yow obserued any such Custom Customes Eudox: But haue yow I praye yow obserued any such Customes Custom
amongst them brought likewise from the Spanyardes or amongst them brought likewise from the Spanyardes or
Gaules , Gaules, as those from the Spanyardes Scithians - that Gaules, Gaules , as those from the Spanyardes Scithians - that
Maye maye sure bee verie materiall to yo u r yor first purpose - maye Maye sure bee verie materiall to yor yo u r first purpose -
Iren: Some perhaps p er happs I haue , haue, and whoe that will by Iren: Some p er happs perhaps I haue, haue , and whoe that will by
this occasion more deligentlye marke and compare this occasion more deligentlye marke and compare
theire Customes , Customes, shall fynde manye more , more, But theire Customes, Customes , shall fynde manye more, more , But
theire are fower I thincke remayninge of the Gaules theire are fower I thincke remayninge of the Gaules
or Spanyardes , Spanyardes, then of the Scithians , By reason that or Spanyardes, Spanyardes , then of the Scithians , By reason that
the p ar te w hi ch tes wch they possessed lyinge vpon the Coast of the the p ar tes wch te w hi ch they possessed lyinge vpon the Coast of the
westerne and southerne sea , sea, were sythens contynewal contynewallie westerne and southerne sea, sea , were sythens contynewallie contynewal
visited w i th vysited wth strangers and forreyne people repayr in ge repay r ing vysited wth visited w i th strangers and forreyne people repay r ing repayr in ge
thither for trafficke , trafficke, and for fishinge w hi ch wch is verie thither for trafficke, trafficke , and for fishinge wch w hi ch is verie
plentifull vpon those Costes , Costes; for the trade and entered ale enterdeale plentifull vpon those Costes; Costes , for the trade and enterdeale entered ale
of seacost seacoste nacons one w i th wth another worketh more of seacoste seacost nacons one wth w i th another worketh more
civiltie , civiltie, and good fashiones , fashions, then the Inland dwel lers dwellers civiltie, civiltie , and good fashions, fashiones , then the Inland dwellers dwel lers
w hi ch wch are seldome seene of fforreyners , yet Forreyners, yett some of wch w hi ch are seldome seene of Forreyners, yett fforreyners , yet some of
such as I haue noted I will recounte vnto yow , A nd yow, And such as I haue noted I will recounte vnto yow, And yow , A nd
first I will for the better Credite of the rest rest, shewe y ow yow first I will for the better Credite of the rest, rest shewe yow y ow
one out of their theire statutes amongst w hi ch wch yt is enacted one out of theire their statutes amongst wch w hi ch yt is enacted
that noe man shall weare , weare, his beard onelie on in the that noe man shall weare, weare , his beard onelie in on the
vpper lipp like mustchachios , mustchachios, shavinge all the rest vpper lipp like mustchachios, mustchachios , shavinge all the rest
of his chinne . chine: And this was the auncient mann er manner of his chine: chinne . And this was the auncient manner mann er
of the Spanyarde of the Spanyardes as yet yett it is of all the mahom e mahome of the Spanyardes of the Spanyarde as yett yet it is of all the mahome mahom e
tans , tans, to cutt all theire beardes close , close, saue onelie tans, tans , to cutt all theire beardes close, close , saue onelie
musthachose w hi ch wch they were longe ; longe, and the cause of musthachose wch w hi ch they were longe, longe ; and the cause of
this vse was for that they beinge breed in a hot e hote this vse was for that they beinge breed in a hote hot e
Countrie , Countrie, found much haire on theire face faces and oth er other Countrie, Countrie , found much haire on theire faces face and other oth er
par p ar tes to be noyos vnto them w hi ch wch cause they did cut cutt p ar par tes to be noyos vnto them wch w hi ch cause they did cutt cut
yt most away , away, lyke as contrarelie all the other yt most away, away , lyke as contrarelie all the other
nacons nacons
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38 nacons brought vpp in Cold countries, doe vse to nourishe theire nacons brought vpp in Cold countries, doe vse to nourishe theire 38
nacons brought vpp in bold countries hare to nourishe theire kepe them the warm er , doe vse wch was the cause that the hare nacons brought vpp in bold countries , wch was the cause that the doe vse to kepe them the warm er nourishe theire
hare to kepe them the warm er , w hi ch was the cause that the Scithians and glibbs Scottes weare glibbes, as I shewed Scithians and glibbs Scottes weare glibbes, as I shewed hare to kepe them the warm er , w hi ch was the cause that the
Scithians yow to kepe theire heades warme, and glibbs Scottes weare glibbes , as I shewed longe beardes to yow to kepe theire heades warme, Scithians and longe beardes to glibbs Scottes weare glibbes , as I shewed
yow to kepe defende theire heades warme , and longe beardes to faces from cold, From them also I thincke defende yow to kepe theire faces from cold, From them also I thincke heades warme , and longe beardes to
defende theire faces from cold , ffrom them also I thincke came saffron shirtes and smockes, wch was devized by came saffron shirtes and smockes, wch was devized by defende theire faces from cold , ffrom them also I thincke
came them in those hotte Countries, where saffron shirtes and smockes , w hi ch was devised by is verie com m o n them in those hotte Countries, where came saffron is verie com m o n shirtes and smockes , w hi ch was devised by
them in those hotte Countries , where saffron is verie comon and ryfe for avoydinge of that evill wch com m eth -- and ryfe for avoydinge of that evill wch com m eth -- them in those hotte Countries , where saffron is verie comon
much swetinge, and ryfe for avoydinge longe wearinge of that evill w hi ch cometh lynnen. Also the and longe wearinge ryfe for avoydinge of lynnen. Also the that evill w hi ch cometh
w i th swetinge , and longe wearinge of lynnen . Also the w i th swetinge , and longe wearinge of lynnen . Also the
weomen amongst the ould Spanyardes had the charge weomen amongst the ould Spanyardes had the charge
of all hushold affaires both home and abroad (as Boemius of all hushold affaires both home and abroad (as Boemius
wryteth though now these Spanyardes vse yt quite ~ - wryteth though now these Spanyardes vse yt quite - ~
otherwise , otherwise, and so haue the Irishe weomen the trust otherwise, otherwise , and so haue the Irishe weomen the trust
and Care of all thinges , thinges, both at home and in the feilde , feyldes, and Care of all thinges, thinges , both at home and in the feyldes, feilde ,
likewise rounde leather targettes Targettes is the Spannishe likewise rounde leather Targettes targettes is the Spannishe
fashion who vsed yt for the most p ar te painted , w hi ch painted, wch fashion who vsed yt for the most p ar te painted, wch painted , w hi ch
in Ireland they vse also in manye places coulored , coulored, in Ireland they vse also in manye places coulored, coulored ,
after theire rude fashion : fashion: Moreover theire manner of after theire rude fashion: fashion : Moreover theire manner of
theire weomens rydinge on the wronge syde of the theire weomens rydinge on the wronge syde of the
horse I meane w i th wth there faces towarde their theire right horse I meane wth w i th there faces towarde theire their right
syde , syde, as the Irishe vse is, as they saye ould Spannish syde, syde , as the Irishe vse is, as they saye ould Spannish
and as some saye Africane, ffor Africane , For amongst them the and as some saye Africane , For Africane, ffor amongst them the
the weomen (they saye) saye vse to ryde acrosse , acrosse) Also the the weomen (they saye saye) vse to ryde acrosse) acrosse , Also the
deepe smocke sleve hanginge to the ground w hi ch w i th the wch wh the deepe smocke sleve hanginge to the ground wch wh the w hi ch w i th the
Irishe weomen vse vse, (they saye) was ould Spannishe Irishe weomen vse, vse (they saye) was ould Spannishe
and is vsed yett in Barbarie : and yett that should and is vsed yett in Barbarie : and yett that should
seeme rather to bee an ould Irishe fashion : ffor fashion: For in seeme rather to bee an ould Irishe fashion: For fashion : ffor in
Armorie the fashon of the Manche w hi ch wch is gyven Armorie the fashon of the Manche wch w hi ch is gyven
in Armes by manye manye, beinge in deed , deed, nothinge ells but in Armes by manye, manye beinge in deed, deed , nothinge ells but
a sleve , sleve, is fashioned much like to that sleve, And that a sleve, sleve , is fashioned much like to that sleve, And that
knightes in Auncient tymes vsed to weare theire M ist r esse istre sses knightes in Auncient tymes vsed to weare theire M istre sses ist r esse
favor or loves sleve sleves vpon theire armes armes, as appeareth favor or loves sleves sleve vpon theire armes, armes as appeareth
by that is written of Sr S ir Lancelote that hee wore ware by that is written of S ir Sr Lancelote that hee ware wore
the sleve of the fayre made of Asteroth , Asteroth, in a the sleve of the fayre made of Asteroth, Asteroth , in a
Turney where at whereat Quene Guenouer was much displeased Turney whereat where at Quene Guenouer was much displeased
Eudox: yo u r Yor Eudox: Yor yo u r
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Eudox: yo u r concepit Yor conceipt is verie good well fyttinge for thinges Eudox: Yor conceipt yo u r concepit is verie good well fyttinge for thinges
so farr from Certaintie of knowledge and learninge so farr from Certaintie of knowledge and learninge
onelye vpon lykelihoodes and coniectures : coniectures: But have yow a nie any onelye vpon lykelihoodes and coniectures: coniectures : But have yow any a nie
Customes remayninge from the Gaules and or Bryttons : Bryttons: Customes remayninge from the Gaules and or Bryttons: Bryttons :
Iren: I haue obserued a fewe of eyther , eyther, and whoe will Iren: I haue obserued a fewe of eyther, eyther , and whoe will
better search into them , them, maye fynde more . more: And first the better search into them, them , maye fynde more: more . And first the
profession of theire Bardes was (as (-as Cesar wryteth) wryteth profession of theire Bardes was (-as (as Cesar wryteth wryteth)
vsuall amongst the gaules , gaules, and the same was also vsuall amongst the gaules, gaules , and the same was also
comon amongst the Bryttons , Bryttons, and is not yett altogea ther altogeather comon amongst the Bryttons, Bryttons , and is not yett altogeather altogea ther
lefte of , of, by the walshe w hi ch wch are theire posteritie : ffor posteritie: For lefte of, of , by the walshe wch w hi ch are theire posteritie: For posteritie : ffor
all the fashions of the Brittons , Brittons, as he testefieth wea re were all the fashions of the Brittons, Brittons , as he testefieth were wea re
much lyke , lyke, The longe dearth came also from the Gaul es Gaules much lyke, lyke , The longe dearth came also from the Gaules Gaul es
as yee maye read in the same Cesar , and in Iohn John as yee maye read in the same Cesar , and in John Iohn
Boenius Boemus , wryteth that the Gaules vsed vsed, swordes a Boemus Boenius , wryteth that the Gaules vsed, vsed swordes a
handfull longe broad , broad, and so doe the Irishe now, Al so Also handfull longe broad, broad , and so doe the Irishe now, Also Al so
that they vsed longe wicker sheildes in battell that they vsed longe wicker sheildes in battell
that should cover theire whole bodies , bodies, and so doe the that should cover theire whole bodies, bodies , and so doe the
Northerne Irishe . But because I haue not seene suc h such Northerne Irishe . But because I haue not seene such suc h
fashioned targetes vsed in the southerne p ar te , tes, but fashioned targetes vsed in the southerne p ar tes, te , but
onelye amongst those Northerne people and Iris he Irish onelye amongst those Northerne people and Irish Iris he
Scottes , Scottes, I doe thincke that they were brought in o r - Scottes, Scottes , I doe thincke that they were brought in - o r
rather by the Scythians , Scythians, then by the Gaules , Als o Gaules, Also rather by the Scythians, Scythians , then by the Gaules, Also Gaules , Als o
the Gaules vsed to drincke theire enemies blood: bloode the Gaules vsed to drincke theire enemies bloode blood:
and to painte them selues therew i th , therewth, So also theye and to painte them selues therewth, therew i th , So also theye
write that the ould Irishe were woulde wounte woonte wounte, write that the ould Irishe were woonte wounte, woulde wounte
and so haue I sene some of the Irishe doe but not and so haue I sene some of the Irishe doe but not
theire Enemies but friendes bloode , frindes bloode, as namelie at theire Enemies but frindes bloode, friendes bloode , as namelie at
the execution of a notable tratour at Lymbricke the execution of a notable tratour at Lymbricke
called Murrough Obrien , Morrogh Obrien, I sawe an old woman w hi ch wch called Morrogh Obrien, Murrough Obrien , I sawe an old woman wch w hi ch
was his ffoster Foster mother tooke vpp his heade whilst was his Foster ffoster mother tooke vpp his heade whilst
he was quartered and sucked vpp all the blood runnin g running he was quartered and sucked vpp all the blood running runnin g
there out sayinge that the earth was not worthie to there out sayinge that the earth was not worthie to
drincke yt, and therew i th therewth also stee ste e ped her face and bres t brest drincke yt, and therewth therew i th also ste e stee ped her face and brest bres t
and face and tare her haire cryinge and shriking out and tare and face her haire cryinge and shriking out
most tirriblie tirriblie: Eudox : Eud: most tirriblie: Eudox : Eud: tirriblie
Eudox: Eud: Eudox: Eud:
turne over leife turne over leife
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Ride Rile Rile Ride
T… .. ……. This is OB thing This is OB thing T… .. …….
here should bee nothing here should bee nothing
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Eudox : Eudox :
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Eudox: Yee haue verye well ronne through such Customes as the Eudox: Yee haue verye well ronne through such Customes as the
Irishe have deryved from the first ould nacons w hi ch inhab i wch inhaby Irishe have deryved from the first ould nacons wch inhaby w hi ch inhab i
ted that lande namelye the Scythians , the Spanyarde s Scythians, the Spanyardes ted that lande namelye the Scythians, the Spanyardes Scythians , the Spanyarde s
the Guales the Britons , the Gaules the Britons, It nowe remayneth that yow the Gaules the Britons, the Guales the Britons , It nowe remayneth that yow
take in hande the Customes of the ould Englishe w hi ch wch are take in hande the Customes of the ould Englishe wch w hi ch are
amongst the Irishe of w hi ch wch I doe not thincke that yee amongst the Irishe of wch w hi ch I doe not thincke that yee
^ shall haue much to fynde faulte w i th wth any considringe that by the ^ shall haue much to fynde faulte wth w i th any considringe that by the
Englishe most of the ould badd Irishe Customes were Englishe most of the ould badd Irishe Customes were
abollished , abollished, and more ciuill fashions brought vpp in abollished, abollished , and more ciuill fashions brought vpp in
theire steade : steade: theire steade: steade :
Iren: Yow thincke otherwise Eudox: Eudox : then I doe, for the chefes t chefest Iren: Yow thincke otherwise Eudox : Eudox: then I doe, for the chefest chefes t
abuses w hi ch wch are now in that realme , realme, are growne from th e the abuses wch w hi ch are now in that realme, realme , are growne from the th e
Englishe , Englishe, and the Englishe that were are now much mor e more Englishe, Englishe , and the Englishe that were are now much more mor e
lawlesse and lycencious lycencious, then the verie wilde Irishe : Irishe: so lawlesse and lycencious, lycencious then the verie wilde Irishe: Irishe : so
that as much care as was then by them had to reforme that as much care as was then by them had to reforme
the Irishe , Irishe, so much and more must now bee vsed to refo rm reforme the Irishe, Irishe , so much and more must now bee vsed to reforme refo rm
them so much times ti OB e tyme doth alter the mann er s of men : men: them so much ti OB e times tyme doth alter the mann er s of men: men :
Eudox: That seemeth verie strange w hi ch wch yow saye that m en me n Eudox: That seemeth verie strange wch w hi ch yow saye that me n m en
should so much degenerate from theire first natures as should so much degenerate from theire first natures as
to growe wilde . to growe wilde .
Iren: So much can libertie and ill example doe : doe: Iren: So much can libertie and ill example doe: doe :
Eudox: What libertie had the Englishe there , there, more the n then Eudox: What libertie had the Englishe there, there , more then the n
they had ^ here at home ~ - were not the lawes planted am ongst amongst they had ^ here at home - ~ were not the lawes planted amongst am ongst
them at the first , first, and had they not governors to Curbe and them at the first, first , and had they not governors to Curbe and
kepe them still in awe and obedyence kepe them still in awe and obedyence
Iren: They had , had, but yt was for the most p ar te such as did m ore more Iren: They had, had , but yt was for the most p ar te such as did more m ore
hurte then good : ffor good: For they had governors for the most p ar te hurte then good: For good : ffor they had governors for the most p ar te
of them selues , selues, and comonlie out of the twoe ffamilies Families of them selues, selues , and comonlie out of the twoe Families ffamilies
of the Geraldines , and the Butlers , Butlers, both adversaries of the Geraldines , and the Butlers, Butlers , both adversaries
and corivalls on against the other other, s who though for and corivalls on against the other, s other who though for
the most p ar te they were but deputies vnder some of th e the the most p ar te they were but deputies vnder some of the th e
kinges of that Englande . Englandes sonnes bretheren or other nere kins men kynsman kinges of Englandes that Englande . sonnes bretheren or other nere kynsman kins men
who were the kinges Livetennantes . livetennantes, yet they swayed so who were the kinges livetennantes, Livetennantes . yet they swayed so
much as they hadd all the rule and the others bu t but much as they hadd all the rule and the others but bu t
the tytle the tytle
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40 the tytle, Of wch Butlers and Geraldines, albe yt I the tytle, Of wch Butlers and Geraldines, albe yt I 40
the tytle , Of w hi ch Butlers must confesse they were verie braue and Geraldines , albe yt I worthie men, as must confesse they were verie braue the tytle , Of w hi ch Butlers and worthie men, as Geraldines , albe yt I
must confesse they were verie braue and worthie men , as also of others the Peers of that realme, made Lord also of others the Peers of that realme, made Lord must confesse they were verie braue and worthie men , as
also of others the Peers of that realme , made Lord Deputies, and Lordes Justices, and signiories they grewe Deputies, and Lordes Justices, and signiories they grewe also of others the Peers of that realme , made Lord
deputies , and Lord Iustices , and signiories they grewe insolent, and euill bente, both against ly that regall power aucthoritie insolent, and euill bente, both against ly that regall power aucthoritie deputies , and Lord Iustices , and signiories they grewe
and euill bente , both ^ also theire private powers one against by| that regall power authoritie another, to the insolent , and also theire private powers one euill bente , both ^ against another, to the by| that regall power authoritie
and also theire private powers one against another , to the and also theire private powers one against another , to the
vtter subvertion of them selues and strengthninge of the vtter subvertion of them selues and strengthninge of the
Irishe againe , againe, This yee maye reade plainelie discou er ed Irishe againe, againe , This yee maye reade plainelie discou er ed
by a l ett re written from the Cittizens of Corke out of by a l ett re written from the Cittizens of Corke out of
Ireland to the Earle of Shrusburie then in England : Ireland to the Earle of Shrusburie then in England :
and remayninge yett vpon recorde both in the Tower of and remayninge yett vpon recorde both in the Tower of
England , England, and also amongst the Chronicles of Ireland , Ireland, began England, England , and also amongst the Chronicles of Ireland, Ireland , began
thorowe pryde and insolencie to make private warrs one thorowe pryde and insolencie to make private warrs one
against another , another, and when thother p ar te was weake they against another, another , and when thother p ar te was weake they
would waye wage and drawe in the Irishe to take theire p ar te , t i e, would wage waye and drawe in the Irishe to take theire p ar t i e, te ,
by w hi ch wch meanes they both greatlye encurraged and ~~ - - by wch w hi ch meanes they both greatlye encurraged and - - ~~
enhabited the Irishe , w hi ch Irishe, wch till that tyme had bene enhabited the Irishe, wch Irishe , w hi ch till that tyme had bene
shutt vpp w i th wth in the Mountaines Mountaine of Slewlougher , Slewlougher, and shutt vpp wth w i th in the Mountaine Mountaines of Slewlougher, Slewlougher , and
weakened and disabled them selues in so much that there weakened and disabled them selues in so much that there
revenewes were wounderfullie impared , impared, and some of revenewes were wounderfullie impared, impared , and some of
them w hi ch wch are there theire reckoned to have bene able to haue them wch w hi ch are theire there reckoned to have bene able to haue
spente xij or xiiij hundred poundes poundes, p er Annum of ould rent spente xij or xiiij hundred poundes, poundes p er Annum of ould rent
that I maye saye noe more moe besydes theire comodities com m odities that I maye saye noe moe more besydes theire com m odities comodities
of Creekes and havens , havens, were now scarse able to dispend of Creekes and havens, havens , were now scarse able to dispend
the thirde p ar te , te, from w hi ch wch disorder and through theire the thirde p ar te, te , from wch w hi ch disorder and through theire
huge Calamities w hi ch wch haue come vpon them thereby huge Calamities wch w hi ch haue come vpon them thereby
they are now growne to be almost as lewde as the they are now growne to be almost as lewde as the
Irishe , Irishe, I meane of such Englishe as were planted Irishe, Irishe , I meane of such Englishe as were planted
aboue above towardes the west , west, for the Englishe pale hath above aboue towardes the west, west , for the Englishe pale hath
p re served yt self throughe nearenesse of theire state state- p re served yt self throughe nearenesse of theire state- state
in reasonable Civilitie , Civilitie, but the rest w hi ch wch dwell aboue in reasonable Civilitie, Civilitie , but the rest wch w hi ch dwell aboue
in Connagh and Mounster w hi ch Mounster, wch is the swetest soyle in Connagh and Mounster, wch Mounster w hi ch is the swetest soyle
of Ireland , Ireland, and some in Leinster and Ulster Vlster as of Ireland, Ireland , and some in Leinster and Vlster Ulster as
degenerate and growen to bee as verie Patch.ockes Patch OB ockes degenerate and growen to bee as verie Patch OB ockes Patch.ockes
as the the.: as the.: the
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as the wilde Irishe , Irishe, yea and some of them haue quite shak en shaken as the wilde Irishe, Irishe , yea and some of them haue quite shaken shak en
of theire Englishe names , names, and putt on Irishe , that th ey they of theire Englishe names, names , and putt on Irishe , that they th ey
might bee altogeather a Irishe : Irishe: might bee altogeather a Irishe: Irishe :
Eudox: Eudox Is it possible that any should so farr growe out of Eudox Eudox: Is it possible that any should so farr growe out of
frame that they should in so shorte space quite forgett frame that they should in so shorte space quite forgett
theire Countrie . and theire owne names , names, that is a most theire Countrie . and theire owne names, names , that is a most
dangerous Lethargie , much worse then that of ~ - dangerous Lethargie , much worse then that of - ~
Messila Carvinas , who beinge a most learned man Messila Carvinas , who beinge a most learned man
through sicknes sickenes forgott his owne name , name, but can through sickenes sicknes forgott his owne name, name , but can
yow counte vs anye of this kynde : kynde:: yow counte vs anye of this kynde:: kynde :
Iren: Iren I can not speake but by reporte of the Irishe the m them Iren Iren: I can not speake but by reporte of the Irishe them the m
selues : selues: who reporte that the Macmaghons in the nor th north selues: selues : who reporte that the Macmaghons in the north nor th
were auncientlie Englishe . Englishe, to witt , witt, discended from were auncientlie Englishe, Englishe . to witt, witt , discended from
the fz f it z Vrsulas w hi ch wch was a noble : familie in Engla nd n d, the f it z fz Vrsulas wch w hi ch was a noble : familie in Engla n d, nd
and that the same appeareth by his the signifycation of and that the same appeareth by the his signifycation of
theire Irishe names : names: Lykewise that the Macswin es Macswines theire Irishe names: names : Lykewise that the Macswines Macswin es
who now in Vlster were auncyentlie auncyentelie of the Ver es Veres now who in Vlster were auncyentelie auncyentlie of the Veres Ver es
of England , England, but that they themselues for hatred of England, England , but that they themselues for hatred
of the Englishe so disguised theire names :: names:: of the Englishe so disguised theire names:: names ::
Eudox: could they ever conceyve any such develishe disli ke dislike Eudox: could they ever conceyve any such develishe dislike disli ke
of theire owne naturall Countrie , Countrie, as that they would of theire owne naturall Countrie, Countrie , as that they would
bee ashamed of her name , name, and bite of her dugge s bee ashamed of her name, name , and bite of her dugge s
from w hi ch wch they sucked lyffe:: lyfe, from wch w hi ch they sucked lyfe, lyffe::
Iren: I wote well theire should be none but proude hart es hartes Iren: I wote well theire should be none but proude hartes hart es
doe oftentymes lyke wanton Coltes kicke at theire doe oftentymes lyke wanton Coltes kicke at theire
mothers , mothers, as wee reade Alcibiades and Thamisto mothers, mothers , as wee reade Alcibiades and Thamisto
cles did , did, who beinge bainished ^ bannished out of Athens fledd cles did, did , who beinge bannished bainished ^ out of Athens fledd
vnto the kinge of Asai , and theire stirred him vpp vnto the kinge of Asai , and theire stirred him vpp
to warr against theire Countrie , Countrie, in w hi ch wch warrs the y they to warr against theire Countrie, Countrie , in wch w hi ch warrs they the y
them selues were Cheifetaines , Cheifetaines, so that they said them selues were Cheifetaines, Cheifetaines , so that they said
did these macswynes and mackmahons , mackmahons, or rather did these macswynes and mackmahons, mackmahons , or rather
Veres or ffiz Vrsulaies , Fi t z Vrsulaies, for private dispite Veres or Fi t z Vrsulaies, ffiz Vrsulaies , for private dispite
turne theim them selues against England , England, for at such turne them theim selues against England, England , for at such
tymes tyme as tyme tymes as
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41 41
tyme as Robart Verd E of Oxford was in the tyme as Robart Verd E of Oxford was in the
Barrons warrs against kinge Kinge Richard the second , second, Barrons warrs against Kinge kinge Richard the second, second ,
through the mallice of the Peeres bannished the through the mallice of the Peeres bannished the
Realme and p ro scribed . be w i th scribed. he wth his kynsman fiz fi t z: Realme and p ro scribed. he wth scribed . be w i th his kynsman fi t z: fiz
Vrsulie , Vrsulie, fled into Ireland , Ireland, where benige beinge p er secuted , ro secuted, and Vrsulie, Vrsulie , fled into Ireland, Ireland , where beinge benige p ro secuted, er secuted , and
afterwardes in England put to putto death his kinsmen afterwardes in England putto put to death his kinsmen
there remayninge behinde in Ireland , Ireland, rebelled and there remayninge behinde in Ireland, Ireland , rebelled and
conspireding w i th conspireing wth the Irishe did quite cast of theire conspireing wth conspireding w i th the Irishe did quite cast of theire
Englishe names and alleigeance , alleigeance, since w hi ch wch tyme Englishe names and alleigeance, alleigeance , since wch w hi ch tyme
they have ever so repirted reported of the Macswines mac m ac they have ever so reported repirted of the Macswines m ac mac
Mahons and Mackshehaies of Mounster , Mounster, how they Mahons and Mackshehaies of Mounster, Mounster , how they
lyke wise were ancientlie Englishe , Englishe, and olde lyke wise were ancientlie Englishe, Englishe , and olde
followers to the Earle of Desmond , Desmond, vntill the followers to the Earle of Desmond, Desmond , vntill the
raigne of Edward the iiijth at w hi ch wch tyme the raigne of Edward the iiijth at wch w hi ch tyme the
Earle of desmond desmonde that then was called , Thomas , called, Thomas, Earle of desmonde desmond that then was called, Thomas, called , Thomas ,
beinge through false subbornacon as they saye of beinge through false subbornacon as they saye of
the Quene for some offence , offence, by her against the Quene for some offence, offence , by her against
him conceyved conceyved, brought to his death at Tradagh him conceyved, conceyved brought to his death at Tradagh
most vniustlie , vniustlie, not w i th standinge wthstandinge that hee most vniustlie, vniustlie , not wthstandinge w i th standinge that hee
was a verie good and sound subiect the kinge ; kinge, therevpo n was a verie good and sound subiect the kinge, kinge ; therevpo n
all his kinsmen of the Geraldines w hi ch wch then was all his kinsmen of the Geraldines wch w hi ch then was
a mightie familie in Mounster , Mounster, in revenge of a mightie familie in Mounster, Mounster , in revenge of
that huge wronge , wronge, rose into Armes against that huge wronge, wronge , rose into Armes against
the kinge and vtterlie , vtterlie, and vtterlie renounced and the kinge and vtterlie, vtterlie , and vtterlie renounced and
forswore all obedyence to the Crowne of England, forswore all obedyence to the Crowne of England,
to whom the said Mac m ac swynes Mackshehies and Mac M ac mahons to whom the said m ac Mac swynes Mackshehies and M ac Mac mahons
then serv an tes and followers and followers, did the like and haue then serv an tes and followers, did followers and the like and haue
sythence ever so contynewed , contynewed, And w i th wth them they sythence ever so contynewed, contynewed , And wth w i th them they
saye all the people of Mounster wente and manye saye all the people of Mounster wente and manye
other of them w hi ch wch were mere Englishe , Englishe, thenceforth other of them wch w hi ch were mere Englishe, Englishe , thenceforth
Ioyned w i th wth the Irishe , Irishe, takinge on them Irishe Ioyned wth w i th the Irishe, Irishe , takinge on them Irishe
habites and customes w hi ch wch could never since bee habites and customes wch w hi ch could never since bee
cleane cleane
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cleane wyped awaye but the Contagion thereof hath re ma remma cleane wyped awaye but the Contagion thereof hath remma re ma
yned still amongst theire posterities , posterities, Of w hi ch wch sorte th ey they yned still amongst theire posterities, posterities , Of wch w hi ch sorte they th ey
saye bee most of the Surnames w hi ch wch end in, an as - saye bee most of the Surnames wch w hi ch end in, an as -
Heenam Hecnam Shinan Mangan &c., the w hi ch &c:, the wch now accounte the m them Hecnam Heenam Shinan Mangan &c:, the wch &c., the w hi ch now accounte them the m
selues naturall Irishe , Irishe, Other greate howses there be bee selues naturall Irishe, Irishe , Other greate howses there bee be
of the old Englishe , Englishe, in Ireland , w hi ch thgough lycentio us Ireland, wch though lycentious of the old Englishe, Englishe , in Ireland, wch though lycentious Ireland , w hi ch thgough lycentio us
conversinge w i th wth the Irishe , Irishe, or marryinge and ~ - conversinge wth w i th the Irishe, Irishe , or marryinge and - ~
fosteringe w i th them , wth them, or lack of meete Nurture , or Nurture, or fosteringe wth them, w i th them , or lack of meete Nurture, or Nurture , or
other such vnhappie occasions have degendred from other such vnhappie occasions have degendred from
theire antient dignities and are now growen as theire antient dignities and are now growen as
Irishe as Ohanlans breach , breach, (as the proverbe is Irishe as Ohanlans breach, breach , (as the proverbe is
theire is) of w hi ch wch sorte there are . OB twoe most pittef ul pitte full theire is) of wch w hi ch sorte there are OB . twoe most pitte full pittef ul
Ensamples aboue the rest , rest, to wite the Lo. Bremi ng Lo: Breming Ensamples aboue the rest, rest , to wite the Lo: Breming Lo. Bremi ng
ham , ham, who beinge ^ the most ancient ancyent Barron I thincke in ham, ham , who beinge ^ the most ancyent ancient Barron I thincke in
Englande , Englande, is now waxen the j OB most salvage Irishe Englande, Englande , is now waxen the OB j most salvage Irishe
naminge him self Irishe Irishe, like Macrorishe Norcorishe and th e the naminge him self Irishe, Irishe like Norcorishe Macrorishe and the th e
other is the other is the great Mortymer , Mortymer, who for other is the other is the great Mortymer, Mortymer , who for
gettinge how greate great he was once in England , England, or Engl ish English gettinge how great greate he was once in England, England , or English Engl ish
at all is now become the most barborous of the m them at all is now become the most barborous of them the m
all , all, and is called Macnemarra , macnemarra. and not much bette r better all, all , and is called macnemarra. Macnemarra , and not much better bette r
then he is the ould Lo: Courcie Courrie , who havinge lewd lie lewdlie then he is the ould Lo: Courrie Courcie , who havinge lewdlie lewd lie
wasted all the lands land OB and signories that he had and wasted all the land OB lands and signories that he had and
aliened them vnto the Irishe is him self self, also now aliened them vnto the Irishe is him self, self also now
growne quite Irishe :: Irishe:: growne quite Irishe:: Irishe ::
Eudox: In truth this w hi ch wch yow tell is a most shamef ul shamefull Eudox: In truth this wch w hi ch yow tell is a most shamefull shamef ul
hearinge and to be reformed w i th wth most most sharpe hearinge and to be reformed wth w i th most most sharpe
Censures in so greate p er sonages to the terror of Censures in so greate p er sonages to the terror of
the meaner : ffor the meaner: For where the Lo: and chief cheif men wa x wax the meaner: For the meaner : ffor where the Lo: and cheif chief men wax wa x
so barborous and basterdlike , basterd like, what shalbe hoped of so barborous and basterd like, basterdlike , what shalbe hoped of
the peasantes and base people ; people; And hereby sure yow the peasantes and base people; people ; And hereby sure yow
haue made a fayre vnto yo u r self , yor self, to laye open the haue made a fayre vnto yor self, yo u r self , to laye open the
absues abuses of theire their e evill customes w hi ch wch yee haue nowe next abuses absues of their e theire evill customes wch w hi ch yee haue nowe next
to declare , declare, The w hi ch wch noe doubt but are verie badd to declare, declare , The wch w hi ch noe doubt but are verie badd
and barborous beinge borrowed from the Irishe as and barborous beinge borrowed from the Irishe as
There app eal There app eal
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There apparrell, theire theire language theire ryding There apparrell, theire theire language theire ryding
There apparrell , theire theire language theire ryding and manie other the like: and manie other the like: There apparrell , theire theire language theire ryding
and manie other the like : Iren: yee cannnot but thincke them sure to bee verie Iren: yee cannnot but thincke them sure to bee verie and manie other the like :
Iren: Yee cannot but thincke them sure to bee verie brute and vncivill. for were they at the best, that brute and vncivill. for were they at the best, that Iren: Yee cannot but thincke them sure to bee verie
brute and vncivill for were they at the best , that they were of old, when they were brought in they they were of old, when they were brought in they brute and vncivill for were they at the best , that
they were sho u ld inge in they so longe tyme an alteracon of old when they were brought tyme seme sho u ld inge they were of tyme seme old when they were brought in so longe tyme an alteracon they
should inge in so longe tyme an alteracon of tyme some verie strange and vncouth: for yt is to bee thoughte verie strange and vncouth: for yt is to bee thoughte should inge in so longe tyme an alteracon of tyme some
verie strange and vncouth : for yt is to bee thoughte verie strange and vncouth : for yt is to bee thoughte
that the vse of all England was in the England that the vse of all England was in the England
raigne of Henrie the second , second, when Ireland was raigne of Henrie the second, second , when Ireland was
first pleanted w i th planted wth Englishe verie rude and barbor barbo first planted wth pleanted w i th Englishe verie rude and barbo barbor
rous , rous, so as yf the same should bee now vsed in rous, rous , so as yf the same should bee now vsed in
England England: by any it would seme wortie worthie of sharpe England: England by any it would seme worthie wortie of sharpe
correction , correction, and of newe lawes for reformacon but correction, correction , and of newe lawes for reformacon but
yt is but even the other daye daye, since England yt is but even the other daye, daye since England
grew Civill : Civill: There fore in Countinge the evill grew Civill: Civill : There fore in Countinge the evill
Customes of the Englishe , Englishe, there I will have Customes of the Englishe, Englishe , there I will have
regarde whether the begynninge thereof were regarde whether the begynninge thereof were
Englishe or Irishe Irishe, but will have respecte onelie Englishe or Irishe, Irishe but will have respecte onelie
to the inconvenience thereof , thereof, and first I haue to the inconvenience thereof, thereof , and first I haue
to fynde faulte w i th wth the abuse of language , language, that to fynde faulte wth w i th the abuse of language, language , that
is for the speakinge of Irishe Irishe, amongst the Englishe Englishe, is for the speakinge of Irishe, Irishe amongst the Englishe, Englishe
w hi ch wch as yt vnnaturall that any people should loue wch w hi ch as yt vnnaturall that any people should loue
anothers language more then theire owne , owne, so ys anothers language more then theire owne, owne , so ys
yt verie inconvenient and the cause of manye there yt verie inconvenient and the cause of manye there
evills : evills:: evills:: evills :
Eudox: It semethe strange to me that the Englishe Eudox: It semethe strange to me that the Englishe
should take more delight deleight to speake that language should take more deleight delight to speake that language
then there owne , where as owne, whereas they should , should, (mee thinckes then there owne, whereas owne , where as they should, should , (mee thinckes
rather take scorne to acquainte theire tonges thereto rather take scorne to acquainte theire tonges thereto
for yt hath bene ever the s vse of the conqeror conqueror for yt hath bene ever the s vse of the conqueror conqeror
to dispose his language of the conquered , conquered, and to to dispose his language of the conquered, conquered , and to
force him by all meanes to learne his his, So did force him by all meanes to learne his, his So did
the Romaines alwayes vse , in so much vse, insomuch that theire is the Romaines alwayes vse, insomuch vse , in so much that theire is
almost in a nacon anacon in the world , world, but is sprinckled almost in anacon a nacon in the world, world , but is sprinckled
w i th wth wth w i th
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w i th wth theire language , language, It were good therefore , therefore, (me thinckes) wth w i th theire language, language , It were good therefore, therefore , (me thinckes)
to search out the oridginall course course, of his evill , evill, for the to search out the oridginall course, course of his evill, evill , for the
same beinge discove.red discoverred a redresse thereof there of wilbe th e the same beinge discoverred discove.red a redresse there of thereof wilbe the th e
more easielie p ro vyded vyded: for I thincke yt were strange more easielie p ro vyded: vyded for I thincke yt were strange
that the Englishe beinge so manye and the Irishe that the Englishe beinge so manye and the Irishe
so fewe , fewe, as they then were left , left, the fewer should so fewe, fewe , as they then were left, left , the fewer should
drawe the more vnto their vse : ~ . ~ : vse:-:-: drawe the more vnto their vse:-:-: vse : ~ . ~ :
Iren: I suppose that the chief cheif cause of bringinge in Iren: I suppose that the cheif chief cause of bringinge in
the Irishe language amongst them was speciallie the Irishe language amongst them was speciallie
their theire fosteringe and marryinge w i th wth the Irishe theire their fosteringe and marryinge wth w i th the Irishe
w hi ch wch are twoe most dangerous infeccons , infeccons, for first wch w hi ch are twoe most dangerous infeccons, infeccons , for first
the child that sucketh the milke of the nurse must the child that sucketh the milke of the nurse must
of necessitie learne his first speech of her , speach of her, the of necessitie learne his first speach of her, speech of her , the
w hi ch wch beinge the first that is envred to his tonge tonge, wch w hi ch beinge the first that is envred to his tonge, tonge
is after most pleasinge vnto him in so much as ~~ -- is after most pleasinge vnto him in so much as -- ~~
though he afterwardes bee taught Englishe , Englishe, yett though he afterwardes bee taught Englishe, Englishe , yett
the smacke of the first will alwayes abyde w i th wth the smacke of the first will alwayes abyde wth w i th
him and not onelie of the speach speach, but of the him and not onelie of the speach, speach but of the
manners and Condycons Condycons: for besydes be sydes the yonge manners and Condycons: Condycons for be sydes besydes the yonge
children bee lyke , Apes , w hi ch lyke, Apes, wch will affecte and children bee lyke, Apes, wch lyke , Apes , w hi ch will affecte and
ymitate what they see done before them special lie speciallie ymitate what they see done before them speciallie special lie
by theyre nurses , nurses, whom they loue so well , they well, they by theyre nurses, nurses , whom they loue so well, they well , they
more over drawe into them selues togeather w i th wth more over drawe into them selues togeather wth w i th
theire sucke , sucke, even the naturall naturell and disposition of theire sucke, sucke , even the naturell naturall and disposition of
theire nurses , nurses, for the mind followeth much the s…. stepps theire nurses, nurses , for the mind followeth much the stepps s….
temp er ature of the bodye : bodye: and also the wordes temp er ature of the bodye: bodye : and also the wordes
are the Image of the mynde , mynde, so as the p ro ceding are the Image of the mynde, mynde , so as the p ro ceding
from the mynde , mynde, the mynde must bee needes ~ - from the mynde, mynde , the mynde must bee needes - ~
effected w i th the wordes : wth the wordes: So that the speech speach effected wth the wordes: w i th the wordes : So that the speach speech
beinge Irishe , Irish, the harte must needes bee Irishe Irishe, beinge Irish, Irishe , the harte must needes bee Irishe, Irishe
w hi ch have wch how dangerous for out of the aboundance of wch how w hi ch have dangerous for out of the aboundance of
the heart the tonge speaketh speaketh. The next is th e the the heart the tonge speaketh. speaketh The next is the th e
marryinge : marryinge: marryinge: marryinge :
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42 43 marriinge wth the Irishe wch how dangerous a thing marriinge wth the Irishe wch how dangerous a thing 42 43
marriinge w i th the Irishe w hi ch how dangerous a thing yt is in all Comon wealthes appeareth to eu er ie yt is in all Comon wealthes appeareth to eu er ie marriinge w i th the Irishe w hi ch how dangerous a thing
Yt is in all Comon wealthes appeareth to eu er ie symplest sence, and though some great ones OB haue symplest sence, and though some great ones OB haue Yt is in all Comon wealthes appeareth to eu er ie
symplest sence , vsed such matches wth theire vassalls, and though some great ones haue vsed such matches wth theire vassalls, symplest sence , and though some great ones haue
vsed such matches w i th theire vassals , and haue of them neverthelesse raised worthie yssue, haue of them neverthelesse raised worthie yssue, vsed such matches w i th theire vassals , and
haue of them neverthelesse caused worthie yssue, as Telamon did wth Tolmissa Alexander the as Telamon did wth Tolmissa Alexander the haue of them neverthelesse caused worthie yssue,
as Telamon did with Tocmissa Alexander the greate wth Roxane and Julius Cesar wth - greate wth Roxane and Julius Cesar wth - as Telamon did with Tocmissa Alexander the
greate w i th Roxane and Iulius Cesar w i th ~ Cleopatrie, yet the examples is such so p er illous Cleopatrie, yet the examples is such so p er illous greate w i th Roxane and Iulius Cesar w i th ~
Cleopatrie , yet the examples as yt is such so p er illous not OB to bee adventured, for in steade of as yt Cleopatrie , yet the examples is not OB to bee adventured, for in steade of such so p er illous
as yt is not to bee adventured , for in steade of those fewe good, I could count vnto them infynite those fewe good, I could count vnto them infynite as yt is not to bee adventured , for in steade of
those fewe good , I could count vnto them in fynite manye evill, and indeed how can such matchinge manye evill, and indeed how can such matchinge those fewe good , I could count vnto them in fynite
manye but bringe forth an evill , and indeed how can such matchinge race, seinge that comonlye but bringe forth an manye evill race, seinge that comonlye , and indeed how can such matchinge
but bringe forth an evill race , seinge that comonlye but bringe forth an evill race , seinge that comonlye
evill the child taketh most of his nature evill the child taketh most of his nature
of the mother , mother, besydes speech speach manners incly of the mother, mother , besydes speach speech manners incly
nacon , w hi ch nacon, wch are for the most p ar te agreable to nacon, wch nacon , w hi ch are for the most p ar te agreable to
the Condycions of theire Mothers , mothers, for by them the Condycions of theire mothers, Mothers , for by them
they are first framed and fashioned , fashioned, so as they they are first framed and fashioned, fashioned , so as they
res receuie receaue any thinge from them , them, they will res receaue receuie any thinge from them, them , they will
hardlie ever after for goe , goe:, therefore are hardlie ever after for goe:, goe , therefore are
these in ij evill customes customes, of fosteringe and marry these ij in evill customes, customes of fosteringe and marry
inge ^ w hi ch wth the Irishe Irishe, most carefullie to bee inge wth ^ w hi ch the Irishe, Irishe most carefullie to bee
restrayned , restrayned, for of them twoe the thirde that restrayned, restrayned , for of them twoe the thirde that
is the evill custome of language , w hi ch language, wch I is the evill custome of language, wch language , w hi ch I
speake spake of cheiflie cheyflie p ro cedeth : cedeth: spake speake of cheyflie cheiflie p ro cedeth: cedeth :
Eudox: But are there not lawes alreadye ~~ -- Eudox: But are there not lawes alreadye -- ~~
appointed for avoydinge of this evill : evill: appointed for avoydinge of this evill: evill :
Iren: Yes I thincke there bee , bee, but as good neu er Iren: Yes I thincke there bee, bee , but as good neu er
a whit as never the neare better , ne OB re better, for what a whit as never the ne OB re better, neare better , for what
doe statues statutes availe w i th out pennalties , wthout pennalties, or lawes doe statutes statues availe wthout pennalties, w i th out pennalties , or lawes
w i thout wthout charge of execution , execution, for so there is wthout w i thout charge of execution, execution , for so there is
another another: another: another
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another like lawe enacted against wearinge of another like lawe enacted against wearinge of
Irishe apparrell , apparrell, but neverthe more neverthemore it is obserued Irishe apparrell, apparrell , but neverthemore neverthe more it is obserued
by any or executed by them that haue the charge by any or executed by them that haue the charge
for they in their theire private discressions thincke yt for they in theire their private discressions thincke yt
not fytt for to bee forced vpon the poore wretches not fytt for to bee forced vpon the poore wretches
of that Countrye , w hi ch Countrye, wch are not worth the pri ce price of that Countrye, wch Countrye , w hi ch are not worth the price pri ce
of Englishe apparrell , apparrell, nor expedyent to be pr a pra of Englishe apparrell, apparrell , nor expedyent to be pra pr a
ctised against the abler sorte , sorte, by reason that ctised against the abler sorte, sorte , by reason that
the countrye (saye they) doe yeild noe better the countrye (saye they) doe yeild noe better
and were there better to be had , had, yett these and were there better to be had, had , yett these
were fytter to be vsed as namelie the man tle mantle were fytter to be vsed as namelie the mantle man tle
in travelinge , travelinge, because there bee noe Inns in travelinge, travelinge , because there bee noe Inns
where meate or beddinge might bee hadd hadd, so where meate or beddinge might bee hadd, hadd so
that his mantle serues him ther then for a bedd bedd, that his mantle serues him then ther for a bedd, bedd
the The leather quilted Iack in forminge Iorninge and The the leather quilted Iack in Iorninge forminge and
in Campinge , Campinge, for that yt is fyttest to bee vnd er vnder in Campinge, Campinge , for that yt is fyttest to bee vnder vnd er
his shirte of male , male, for any occasion of sudd en suddaine his shirte of male, male , for any occasion of suddaine sudd en
service , service, as there theire happen manye , manye, and to co ver cover service, service , as theire there happen manye, manye , and to cover co ver
his thine bretch on horsbacke , horsbacke, The greate his thine bretch on horsbacke, horsbacke , The greate
lynnen cowle w hi ch rowle wch the wemen weare to kep e kepe lynnen rowle wch cowle w hi ch the wemen weare to kepe kep e
theire heades warm , warme, after cuttinge theire hair ha i re theire heades warme, warm , after cuttinge theire ha i re hair
w hi ch wch they vse in any sicknesse , sicknesse, Besydes theire wch w hi ch they vse in any sicknesse, sicknesse , Besydes theire
thicke folded foulded lynnen shortes shirtes, theire longe sloped sleved thicke foulded folded lynnen shirtes, shortes theire longe sleved sloped
smockes , smockes, theire half sleved coates theire sylke n sylken smockes, smockes , theire half sleved coates theire sylken sylke n
fillites fyllites and all the rest , rest, They will deuise some fyllites fillites and all the rest, rest , They will deuise some
coullor , coullor, for eyther of necessitie , necessitie, or of antyquiti e antyquitie coullor, coullor , for eyther of necessitie, necessitie , or of antyquitie antyquiti e
or of comelynesse : comelynesse: or of comelynesse: comelynesse :
Eudox Eudox: But what coullor soever they alledge Eudox: Eudox But what coullor soever they alledge
me thincke thinckes yt not expedyent that the exec ution executio n me thinckes thincke yt not expedyent that the executio n exec ution
of a lawe once ordayned should bee lefte to of a lawe once ordayned should bee lefte to
the discressio n discression the discression discressio n
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45 the discression of the offycer, but that wthout p ar ciallitie the discression of the offycer, but that wthout p ar ciallitie 45
the discression of the offycer , but that w i th out p ar ciallitie or regarde yt should bee fulfilled, aswell on Englishe or regarde yt should bee fulfilled, aswell on Englishe the discression of the offycer , but that w i th out p ar ciallitie
or regarde yt should bee fulfilled , aswell on Englishe as Irishe: as Irishe: or regarde yt should bee fulfilled , aswell on Englishe
as Irishe : as Irishe :
Iren: But they thincke this p re cysenes in reformacon of Iren: But they thincke this p re cysenes in reformacon of
Apparrell , apparrell, not to bee so materiall or greatlie p er tinent apparrell, Apparrell , not to bee so materiall or greatlie p er tinent
Eudox: Yes surelie but yt is for mens apparrell is comonlie com m onlie Eudox: Yes surelie but yt is for mens apparrell is com m onlie comonlie
made accordinge to theire Condycons , Condycons, and theire condy made accordinge to theire Condycons, Condycons , and theire condy
cions are oftentymes governed by theire garmentes , garmentes, for the cions are oftentymes governed by theire garmentes, garmentes , for the
p er son that is greived gowned , gowned, is by his gowne put in p er son that is greived gowned, gowned , is by his gowne put in
mynde of gravitye , gravitye, and also restrayned from lightnes mynde of gravitye, gravitye , and also restrayned from lightnes
by the verie aptnes of his weede , weede, therefore yt is by the verie aptnes of his weede, weede , therefore yt is
written by Aristotle , then when Cyrus had overcome written by Aristotle , then when Cyrus had overcome
the Lydians that were a warlike nacon , . nacon, devised the Lydians that were a warlike nacon, nacon , . devised
to bringe them to a more amore peaceable lyfe , lyfe, he changed to bringe them to amore a more peaceable lyfe, lyfe , he changed
theire apparrell and musicke , musicke, are in steade of theire theire apparrell and musicke, musicke , are in steade of theire
shorte warlike Coate , Coates, clothed them in OB longe garm en tes shorte warlike Coates, Coate , clothed them in OB longe garm en tes
like wyves , wyves, and insteade in steade of theire warlike musicke warlike, musicke, like wyves, wyves , and in steade insteade of theire warlike, musicke, warlike musicke
appointed to them certaine lascivyous layes and loose appointed to them certaine lascivyous layes and loose
gigges gigges, by w hi ch wch in shorte sparce space theire myndes were molly gigges, gigges by wch w hi ch in shorte space sparce theire myndes were molly
fied , fied, and abated that they forgott theire form er feircenes fied, fied , and abated that they forgott theire form er feircenes
and became and because most tender and effeminate , tender, and effeminate, whereby and because and became most tender, and effeminate, tender and effeminate , whereby
yt appeareth appeareth, that theire is not a little alittle in the garm en t yt appeareth, appeareth that theire is not alittle a little in the garm en t
to the foshoninge fashoninge of the minde and condycons , condycons, but to the fashoninge foshoninge of the minde and condycons, condycons , but
bee these w hi ch wch yee have discribed the fashions of the bee these wch w hi ch yee have discribed the fashions of the
Irishe weedes : ~ : weeds: -: Irishe weeds: -: weedes : ~ :
Iren: Noe all these w hi ch wch I haue rehearsed to yow bee not Iren: Noe all these wch w hi ch I haue rehearsed to yow bee not
Irishe garmentes , garmentes., but Englishe : Englishe: for the quilted leather Irishe garmentes., garmentes , but Englishe: Englishe : for the quilted leather
Iacke Jacke is ould Englishe , Englishe, for yt was the prop er weede Jacke Iacke is ould Englishe, Englishe , for yt was the prop er weede
of the horsman as yee maye rede reed in Chawcer, when Chawcer , where of the horsman as yee maye reed rede in Chawcer , where Chawcer, when
he discribeth S i r Thopas apparrell and armour armour, he discribeth S i r Thopas apparrell and armour, armour
when he wente to fought feight against the the, Geant w hi ch wch when he wente to feight fought against the, the Geant wch w hi ch
Cheklaton Checklaton is that kynde of gylden leather , w i th leather, wth Checklaton Cheklaton is that kynde of gylden leather, wth leather , w i th
w hi ch wch theye vse to Imbroader theare theire Irishe Iackes wch w hi ch theye vse to Imbroader theire theare Irishe Iackes
and theire likewise by all that discription . discription, yee and theire likewise by all that discription, discription . yee
maye see the verie fashion and manner of maye see the verie fashion and manner of
the Irishe horsemen most liuelie sett out in his the Irishe horsemen most liuelie sett out in his
longe longe
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longe hose , hose, his shoes of Costlie Cordwaiine , Cordwaine, his harqueton longe hose, hose , his shoes of Costlie Cordwaine, Cordwaiine , his harqueton
and his haberion w hi ch wth all the rest there vnto belonginge : belonginge: and his haberion wth w hi ch all the rest there vnto belonginge: belonginge :
Eudox: Eudox : I surelie thought that that manner had bene Eudox : Eudox: I surelie thought that that manner had bene
kyndelie Irishe , Irishe, for yt is farr differinge from kyndelie Irishe, Irishe , for yt is farr differinge from
that wee haue now , now, as also all the furniture of his that wee haue now, now , as also all the furniture of his
horse , horse, his stronge brase bitt , bitt, his slydinge raynes , his raynes, his horse, horse , his stronge brase bitt, bitt , his slydinge raynes, his raynes , his
shanke pillyon w i th out pillyon, wthout stirrops his manner of mounting mountinge shanke pillyon, wthout pillyon w i th out stirrops his manner of mountinge mounting
his fashion of rydinge , rydinge, his charginge of spears speare his fashion of rydinge, rydinge , his charginge of speare spears
aloft aboue hand , hand, the forme of his speare speare:: aloft aboue hand, hand , the forme of his speare:: speare
Iren: Iren : Noe sure they be natiue Englishe and brought Iren : Iren: Noe sure they be natiue Englishe and brought
in by the Englishe men , men, first into Ireland, neither in by the Englishe men, men , first into Ireland, neither
is the same a yett counted an vncomelie manner of is the same a yett counted an vncomelie manner of
rydinge , rydinge,: for I haue hearde some greate warryors warryers rydinge,: rydinge , for I haue hearde some greate warryers warryors
saye, that in all these servyces w hi ch wch they had seene saye, that in all these servyces wch w hi ch they had seene
abroade in forrayne Countries Countries, they never sawe a abroade in forrayne Countries, Countries they never sawe a
more comelie horseman horsman, then the Irishe man man, nor more comelie horsman, horseman then the Irishe man, man nor
that cometh com m eth on more brauelie in his Charge , ~ Charge,- that com m eth cometh on more brauelie in his Charge,- Charge , ~
neither is his manner of mountinge vnsemelie neither is his manner of mountinge vnsemelie
thoughe he lacke styrropps styrropps, but more readye the n then thoughe he lacke styrropps, styrropps but more readye then the n
w i th styrrops , wth styrrops, for in his gettinge vpp his horse wth styrrops, w i th styrrops , for in his gettinge vpp his horse
is still goinge whereby he gayneth waye , waye, and is still goinge whereby he gayneth waye, waye , and
there fore the stirrop therefore the stirropp was called the so fio in scorne therefore the stirropp there fore the stirrop was called the fio so in scorne
as yt were a stare astare to gett vpp , vpp, beinge derived as yt were astare a stare to gett vpp, vpp , beinge derived
out of the ould Englishe worde , worde, Sty, w hi ch wch is to mount. mount out of the ould Englishe worde, worde , Sty, wch w hi ch is to mount mount.
Eudox: Eudox : It semeth then that yow fynde noe faulte Eudox : Eudox: It semeth then that yow fynde noe faulte
w i th wth this manner of rydinge why rydinge, whye then would yow wth w i th this manner of rydinge, whye rydinge why then would yow
haue the gylded Iacke layde awaye : haue the gylded Iacke layde awaye :
Iren: Iren : I would not haue that laide awaye , awaye, but the abuse Iren : Iren: I would not haue that laide awaye, awaye , but the abuse
thereof to bee putt awaye awaye: for beinge vsed to thereof to bee putt awaye: awaye for beinge vsed to
the ende that yt was framed , framed, that is to bee the ende that yt was framed, framed , that is to bee
worne in warr vnder a shirte of male yt worne in warr vnder a shirte of male yt
is allowable , allowable, as also the shirte of maile is allowable, allowable , as also the shirte of maile
and all his other furniture , furniture, but to bee worne dalie and all his other furniture, furniture , but to bee worne dalie
at home at home
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44 at home as in townes OB d Civill places, yt is arude habite at home as in townes OB d Civill places, yt is arude habite 44
and Civill places , yt is a rude habite most vncomelie seeminge like aplayers painted coate.: at home as in townes and most vncomelie seeminge like aplayers painted coate.: Civill places , yt is a rude habite
and most vncomelie seeminge like a players painted coate Eudox : But it is worne they saye of Irishe footemen, how Eudox and most vncomelie seeminge like a players painted coate : But it is worne they saye of Irishe footemen, how
Eudox: But it is worne they saye doe yow allowe of Irishe footemen , how that, for I should thincke yt were doe yow allowe Eudox: But it is worne they saye of that, for I should thincke yt were Irishe footemen , how
doe yow allowe of that , for I should thincke yt were vnseemelie: vnseemelie: doe yow allowe of that , for I should thincke yt were
vnseemelie Iren : Noe not as yt is vsed in warr for yt is then worne Iren vnseemelie : Noe not as yt is vsed in warr for yt is then worne
Iren: Noe not as yt is vsed in warr for yt is then worne Iren: Noe not as yt is vsed in warr for yt is then worne
likewise likewise of a footeman they call a Galloglasse likewise likewise of a footeman they call a Galloglasse
the w hi ch wch name doth discouer him to be also auncyente the wch w hi ch name doth discouer him to be also auncyente
Englishe servitor or yeoman , yeoman, And he beinge so Englishe servitor or yeoman, yeoman , And he beinge so
armed in alonge shorte a longe shyrte of mayle downe to the armed in a longe shyrte alonge shorte of mayle downe to the
calf of the legge w i th wth a longe braade broade axe in calf of the legge wth w i th a longe broade braade axe in
his hande , hande, was then pedes granis armaturae grauis armaturæ , and his hande, hande , was then pedes grauis armaturæ granis armaturae , and
was in steade of the armed footeman that now wea was in steade of the armed footeman that now wea
reth a Corselett , than Corselett, then before the Corselet were vsed reth a Corselett, then Corselett , than before the Corselet were vsed
or any almost invented . invented: or any almost invented: invented .
Eudox: Eudox : Then him belike yow also allowe in yo u r yor streight Eudox : Eudox: Then him belike yow also allowe in yor yo u r streight
reformacon of old Customes . Customes: reformacon of old Customes: Customes .
Iren: Both him and the kearne Kearne also whom (whom onelye I tooke Iren: Both him and the Kearne kearne also (whom whom onelye I tooke
to be the prop er Irishe souldyer , souldyor, can I allow , allow, so that they to be the prop er Irishe souldyor, souldyer , can I allow, allow , so that they
vse that habyte and Custome of theirs in the warrs vse that habyte and Custome of theirs in the warrs
onelye , onelye, when they are ledd for the forthe to the service of onelye, onelye , when they are ledd forthe for the to the service of
theire Prince , Prince, and not vsuall at home , home, and in theire Prince, Prince , and not vsuall at home, home , and in
Civill places places, and besydes doe laye laye, asyde the evill Civill places, places and besydes doe laye, laye asyde the evill
wylde vses , w hi ch vses, wch the Galloghglasse doe and Kerne doe Kerne: doe wylde vses, wch vses , w hi ch the Galloghglasse doe and Kerne: doe Kerne doe
vse in on theire evill trade of lyfe :: lyfe::: vse on in theire evill trade of lyfe::: lyfe ::
Eudox: Eudox : What bee those those: Eudox : Eudox: What bee those: those
Iren: Iren : Marrie those bee the most loathlie and barborous ~ - Iren : Iren: Marrie those bee the most loathlie and barborous - ~
Condycons of anye people I thincke vnder heaven , heaven, for Condycons of anye people I thincke vnder heaven, heaven , for
from the tyme that they enter into that course , they course, they from the tyme that they enter into that course, they course , they
doe vse all the beastelye behavyour that maye doe vse all the beastelye behavyour that maye
bee , bee, to oppresse all men , men, they spoyle aswell the bee, bee , to oppresse all men, men , they spoyle aswell the
subiecte as the Enemye , Enemye, theye steale, they steale , the are subiecte as the Enemye, theye steale, Enemye , they steale , the are
Crewell and bloodye full full, of revenge , revenge, and delight Crewell and bloodye full, full of revenge, revenge , and delight
in deadlie execution execution, lycensius swearers and blasphemous blasphe mers : in deadlie execution, execution lycensius swearers and blasphe mers : blasphemous
comon com m on ravishers of weomen and murderers of children com m on comon ravishers of weomen and murderers of children
Eudox: Eudox : Those Eudox : Eudox: Those
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Eudox: Those bee most villanouse Condycions , Condycions, I marvale marvaile Eudox: Those bee most villanouse Condycions, Condycions , I marvaile marvale
Then then that ever they bee vsed or imployed , imployed, or almost suffred then Then that ever they bee vsed or imployed, imployed , or almost suffred
to lyve , lyve, what good can there bee then in them :: them: to lyve, lyve , what good can there bee then in them: them ::
Iren: Yet sure they are verie valyante and hardye for the Iren: Yet sure they are verie valyante and hardye for the
most p ar te greate endurors of could , labour , could, labour, hunger and most p ar te greate endurors of could, labour, could , labour , hunger and
all hardnesse , hardnesse, verie actiue , actiue, and stronge of hand , hand, verye all hardnesse, hardnesse , verie actiue, actiue , and stronge of hand, hand , verye
swifte of foote , foote, verie vigillante and circumspecte in theire swifte of foote, foote , verie vigillante and circumspecte in theire
enterprises , enterprises, verie p re sente in per ills p er ills, verie greate scorners enterprises, enterprises , verie p re sente in p er ills, per ills verie greate scorners
of death .: death:: of death:: death .:
Eudox: Surelie by this his that yee saye yt seemes the Irishe Irish Eudox: Surelie by his this that yee saye yt seemes the Irish Irishe
man is a verie brave souldyer . braue souldyer, man is a verie braue souldyer, brave souldyer .
Iren: Yea trulie even in that rude kynde of service hee service, he - Iren: Yea trulie even in that rude kynde of service, he - service hee
beareth h i m him self verie courragiouslie , courrageouslie, but when hee beareth him h i m self verie courrageouslie, courragiouslie , but when hee
cometh to experience of service a broade abroade, and is put to putto cometh to experience of service abroade, a broade and is putto put to
a peece or a pyke , apyke, he maketh as worthie a soildyer as souldyer as a peece or apyke, a pyke , he maketh as worthie a souldyer as soildyer as
any nacon he meteth w i th , wth, but lett vs I praye yow any nacon he meteth wth, w i th , but lett vs I praye yow
turne againe to our discourse of evill Customes amongst turne againe to our discourse of evill Customes amongst
the Irishe . Irishe: the Irishe: Irishe .
Eudox Mesemes Eudox: Me semes all this w hi ch wch yow speake of of, concerneth th e the Eudox: Me semes Eudox Mesemes all this wch w hi ch yow speake of, of concerneth the th e
Customes Customes, amongst the Irishe Irishe, verie materiallie , materiallie, for Customes, Customes amongst the Irishe, Irishe verie materiallie, materiallie , for
theire vses in warr are of noe small importanc e importance theire vses in warr are of noe small importance importanc e
to be considered , considered, aswell to reforme those w hi ch wch are ev ill goode, to be considered, considered , aswell to reforme those wch w hi ch are goode, ev ill
as to Confirme and contynewe those w hi ch wch are goode as to Confirme and contynewe those wch w hi ch are goode
but followe yow yo u r yor owne course , course, and shewe what but followe yow yor yo u r owne course, course , and shewe what
other theire Customes yow haue to dislike of of: other theire Customes yow haue to dislike of: of
EIren E Iren There is amongst them Irishe a Certain e Certaine E Iren EIren There is amongst them Irishe a Certaine Certain e
kynde of people called the bardes , w hi ch bardes, wch are to th em them kynde of people called the bardes, wch bardes , w hi ch are to them th em
in steade of Poets . Poetes, whose profession is to sett forth in steade of Poetes, Poets . whose profession is to sett forth
the pryses prayses and disprayses of men men, Noe: theire Poem s Poems the prayses pryses and disprayses of men, men Noe: theire Poems Poem s
or rymes the w hi ch wch are had in so high regard and or rymes the wch w hi ch are had in so high regard and
estymacon amongst them , them, that none dare displease estymacon amongst them, them , that none dare displease
them , them, for feare to rvn into reproch , reproch, through theire them, them , for feare to rvn into reproch, reproch , through theire
offence and to bee made infamous in the mouthes of offence and to bee made infamous in the mouthes of
all men , men, for theire vearses are taken vpp w i th upp wth all men, men , for theire vearses are taken upp wth vpp w i th
a gen agen er all applause , applause, and vsuallie sounge at all - agen a gen er all applause, applause , and vsuallie sounge at all -
feast meting metinges feast metinges meting
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45 feastinges me feast metinges, by certaine other p er sons whose feastinges me feast metinges, by certaine other p er sons whose 45
feastine inges feast metinges , by certaine other p er sons whose proper function that is, wch also receyve for the same proper function that is, wch also receyve for the same feastine inges feast metinges , by certaine other p er sons whose
proper function that is w hi ch also receive for the same greate rewardes, and reputacon besides: greate rewardes, and reputacon besides: proper function that is w hi ch also receive for the same
greate rewardes , and reputacon besides Eudox: Doe yow blame this in them, wch I would otherwise Eudox: Doe yow blame this in them, wch I would otherwise greate rewardes , and reputacon besides
Eudox: Doe yow blame this in them , w hi ch I would otherwise haue thought to haue bene worthie of good accounte, haue thought to haue bene worthie of good accounte, Eudox: Doe yow blame this in them , w hi ch I would otherwise
haue thought and rather to haue bene worthie of good accounte , maintayned and augmented, and rather haue thought to haue bene maintayned and augmented, worthie of good accounte ,
and rather amongst them, then to haue bene maintayned and augmented , disliked, for I haue amongst them, then and rather to haue bene disliked, for I haue maintayned and augmented ,
amongst them , then to redd that in all ages, Poetes haue bene disliked , for I haue had in redd that in all ages, Poetes amongst them , then to haue bene had in disliked , for I haue
redd speciall reputac i on, and that in all ages , Poetes haue bene had in mee semes not wthout speciall reputac i on, and redd that mee semes not wthout in all ages , Poetes haue bene had in
speciall reputacon , and that mee semes not w greate reputac i th out on cause, for besides theire sweete greate reputac speciall reputacon , and that mee semes not w i on cause, for besides theire sweete th out
greate reputacon cause , for besides theire sweete inventions and most wittye layes, they are alwaies inventions and most wittye layes, they are alwaies greate reputacon cause , for besides theire sweete
inventions and most wittye layes , they are alwaies vsed to sett forth the good and vertuous, and to beate vsed to sett forth the good and vertuous, and to beate inventions and most wittye layes , they are alwaies
vsed to sett forth downe and disgrace the good and vertuous , and to beate badd and visious, so that downe and disgrace vsed to sett forth the badd and visious, so that good and vertuous , and to beate
downe and disgrace the badd and visious , so that manye braue yonge myndes haue often tymes, thorough manye braue yonge myndes haue often tymes, thorough downe and disgrace the badd and visious , so that
manye braue young myndes haue often tymes , thorough the hearinge, the praises and famous Eulogies of the hearinge, the praises and famous Eulogies of manye braue young myndes haue often tymes , thorough
the hearinge , the praises worthie men songe and famous Eulogies of reported vnto them, bene worthie men songe the hearinge , the praises and reported vnto them, bene famous Eulogies of
worthie men songe stirred vpp, to affect like com m ondacons, and reported vnto them , bene so to striue stirred vpp, to affect like com m ondacons, worthie men songe and so to striue reported vnto them , bene
stirred vpp , to affect vnto the like comondacons , and so to striue desertes, So they saye that the -- vnto the stirred vpp , to affect like desertes, So they saye that the -- comondacons , and so to striue
vnto the like desertes , So they saye that the ~ ~ vnto the like desertes , So they saye that the ~ ~
Lacedemonians were more enclyned to desyre of honor Lacedemonians were more enclyned to desyre of honor
w i th wth the excellente verses of the Poete Tyrteus , then wth w i th the excellente verses of the Poete Tyrteus , then
w i th all wthall the exhortacions exhortacons of theire Captaines , Captaines, or authorities aucthorities wthall w i th all the exhortacons exhortacions of theire Captaines, Captaines , or aucthorities authorities
of theire rulers and magrates :: mag ist rates:: of theire rulers and mag ist rates:: magrates ::
Iren: It is most trewe that such Poets as in theire wry Iren: It is most trewe that such Poets as in theire wry
tinges , tinge, doe laboure to better the mann er s , s, and through tinge, tinges , doe laboure to better the mann er s, s , and through
the sweete baute baite of theire numbers to steale the sweete baite baute of theire numbers to steale
into the younge yonge spirites a desire desires of honour and vertue into the yonge younge spirites a desires desire of honour and vertue
to be hade in greate respect : respect: But these Irishe to be hade in greate respect: respect : But these Irishe
Bardes are for the most p ar te of another mynde, Bardes are for the most p ar te of another mynde,
and so farr from Instructing yonge men in morall and so farr from Instructing yonge men in morall
discypline discypline, that they them selues doe more deserve discypline, discypline that they them selues doe more deserve
to be sharplie discipled , sharpelie discipled, for they seldome vse to to be sharpelie discipled, sharplie discipled , for they seldome vse to
chuse Chuse vnto them selues the doinge doinges of good men , men, for Chuse chuse vnto them selues the doinges doinge of good men, men , for
the ornamentes of theire poems , poems, but whom so ever whomsoever the ornamentes of theire poems, poems , but whomsoever whom so ever
they fynde to bee most lycentious of lyfe most bold they fynde to bee most lycentious of lyfe most bold
and lawlesse in his doinges , doinges, most dangerous and and lawlesse in his doinges, doinges , most dangerous and
desperate :: desperate:: desperate:: desperate ::
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desperate in all p ar tes of disobdyence , disobedyence, and rebellious - desperate in all p ar tes of disobedyence, disobdyence , and rebellious -
disposition disposition, him they sett vpp and glorifie in theire rymes , rymes, disposition, disposition him they sett vpp and glorifie in theire rymes, rymes ,
him they prayse to the people , people, and to young men make him they prayse to the people, people , and to young men make
an example to followe : followe: an example to followe: followe :
Eudox: I marvaile what kynde of speaches they can fynde Eudox: I marvaile what kynde of speaches they can fynde
or what case fase face they can putt on to prayse such lewde p er sons or what fase case face they can putt on to prayse such lewde p er sons
as lyve so lawleslie and lycenciouslie vpon stealthes as lyve so lawleslie and lycenciouslie vpon stealthes
and spoyles as most of them doe , doe, or how can they thincke and spoyles as most of them doe, doe , or how can they thincke
that any good minde will applaude the same : same: that any good minde will applaude the same: same :
Iren: There is none so badd Eudox: , but that shall Iren: There is none so badd Eudox: , but that shall
fynde some to favor : his doing is , doinges, but such lycentious fynde some to favor : his doinges, doing is , but such lycentious
p ar tes , p ar tes, as these , lendinge these, tendinge for the most p ar te to the p ar tes, p ar tes , as these, tendinge these , lendinge for the most p ar te to the
hurte of the Englishe , Englishe, or maintenance mauntenance of theire hurte of the Englishe, Englishe , or mauntenance maintenance of theire
owne lewde l libertie , OB libertie, they them selues beinge owne lewde OB libertie, l libertie , they them selues beinge
most desyrous thereof thereof, doe most allowe , allowe, Besides most desyrous thereof, thereof doe most allowe, allowe , Besides
these evill thinges beinge deckt and suborned w i th wth these evill thinges beinge deckt and suborned wth w i th
the gaye attyre of goodlie wordes , wordes, maye easelie the gaye attyre of goodlie wordes, wordes , maye easelie
deceave and carrye away awaye the affeccon of a young younge deceave and carrye awaye away the affeccon of a younge young
mynde , mynde, that is not well stayed , stayed, but desyrous of by mynde, mynde , that is not well stayed, stayed , but desyrous by of
some bold adventure to make proof of him self for - some bold adventure to make proof of him self for -
being (as they all bee ) bee) brought vpp Idlelie w i th out wthout being (as they all bee) bee ) brought vpp Idlelie wthout w i th out
awe of parentes w i th out wthout p re ceptes of m att ers aste rs , w i th out wthout feare awe of parentes wthout w i th out p re ceptes of m aste rs att ers , wthout w i th out feare
of offence , offence, not beinge dyrected nor ymployed in any of offence, offence , not beinge dyrected nor ymployed in any
Course of lyfe w hi ch wch maye carrie them OB to vertue Course of lyfe wch w hi ch maye carrie them OB to vertue
will easelie be drawen to followe such , such, as any ~ any- will easelie be drawen to followe such, such , as any- any ~
shall sett before them , them, for a younge mynde cann ot cannot shall sett before them, them , for a younge mynde cannot cann ot
rest if he bee not still busyed in some goodnes , or goodnes, he rest if he bee not still busyed in some goodnes, he goodnes , or
will fynde him self such busynes as shall soone - will fynde him self such busynes as shall soone -
busie all about him , him, In w hi ch wch yf he shall fynde busie all about him, him , In wch w hi ch yf he shall fynde
any to praise him and to giue him encorragem encorragm en t , as any to praise him and to giue him encorragm encorragem en t , as
those , those, Bardes and rymers , rymers, did doe for lyttle we those, those , Bardes and rymers, rymers , did doe for lyttle we
rewarde or a share of a stollen cowe , cowe, then waxeth rewarde or a share of a stollen cowe, cowe , then waxeth
he most insolent and half madd , w hi ch madd, wth the he most insolent and half madd, wth madd , w hi ch the
loue of him self , self, and his owne lewde deedes , deedes, And loue of him self, self , and his owne lewde deedes, deedes , And
as for wordes to sett furth such lewdnesse yt is as for wordes to sett furth such lewdnesse yt is
not hard not hard
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46 not hard for them to giue agoodlie glose and painted not hard for them to giue agoodlie glose and painted 46
not hard for them to giue a goodlie glose and painted shewe there vnto, borrowed, even from the praises wch shewe there vnto, borrowed, even from the praises wch not hard for them to giue a goodlie glose and painted
shewe there are p ro p er vnto , borrowed , even from the praises w hi ch vertue h yt self, as of a most notorious are p ro p er shewe there vnto vertue h yt self, as of a most notorious , borrowed , even from the praises w hi ch
are p ro p er vnto vertue h yt self , as of a most notorious theif and wicked outlawe, wch had lyved all his theif and wicked outlawe, wch had lyved all his are p ro p er vnto vertue h yt self , as of a most notorious
theif and wicked outlawe , w hi ch had lyved all his theif and wicked outlawe , w hi ch had lyved all his
tyme of spoyles and robberies one of theire Bardes tyme of spoyles and robberies one of theire Bardes
in his praise said , said, that he was none of those in his praise said, said , that he was none of those
Idle milke sopps that was brought vpp by the Idle milke sopps that was brought vpp by the
fyersyde , fyersyde, but that most of his dayes he spent fyersyde, fyersyde , but that most of his dayes he spent
in armes and valiant enterprises , enterprises, that he did in armes and valiant enterprises, enterprises , that he did
never eate his meate before he had wonne yt never eate his meate before he had wonne yt
w i th wth his sworde , sworde, that he laye not slugginge all wth w i th his sworde, sworde , that he laye not slugginge all
might y night v in a Cabben vnder his mantle , mantle, but vsed night v might y in a Cabben vnder his mantle, mantle , but vsed
comonlie to kepe others makinge , wakinge, to defende theire comonlie to kepe others wakinge, makinge , to defende theire
lyves , lyves, and did light his candle at the flame lyves, lyves , and did light his candle at the flame
of theire howses , howses, to leade him in the darknesse , darkenesse, of theire howses, howses , to leade him in the darkenesse, darknesse ,
that the daye was his night and the night his that the daye was his night and the night his
daye , daye, that he loved not to lye longe woinge of daye, daye , that he loved not to lye longe woinge of
wentches to yeild to him , him, but where he came wentches to yeild to him, him , but where he came
he tooke by sorte force the spoyle of other mens love , love, he tooke by force sorte the spoyle of other mens love, love ,
and lefte but lamentacon to there lovers : theire lovers: that and lefte but lamentacon to theire lovers: there lovers : that
his musicke was not the harpe nor layes of ~ - his musicke was not the harpe nor layes of - ~
loue , loue, but the cryes of people people, and Clashinge of loue, loue , but the cryes of people, people and Clashinge of
armor , armor, and that fynallie he dyed not belovedwayled beloved wayled armor, armor , and that fynallie he dyed not beloved wayled belovedwayled
of manye , manye, but manye wayle when he dyed, of manye, manye , but manye wayle when he dyed,
that dearlie dearelie bought his death death, doe yow not thincke that dearelie dearlie bought his death, death doe yow not thincke
Eudoxus that manye manie of these praises might bee Eudoxus that manie manye of these praises might bee
applied applyed to men of best desert , desert, yett are they applyed applied to men of best desert, desert , yett are they
all yeilded to most notable traitors , trators, and amongst all yeilded to most notable trators, traitors , and amongst
some of the Irishe not smallye accompted of some of the Irishe not smallye accompted of
for the same when yt was first made , made, and for the same when yt was first made, made , and
sunge and sunge vnto a p er son of high degree they degre theye were bought as their there mann er sunge and sunge vnto a p er son of high degre theye degree they were bought as there their mann er
Eudox: and Well worthie sure , But tell me I praye yow is for fortie crownes: is for fortie crownes: Eudox: and Well worthie sure , But tell me I praye yow
Eudox: and Wel worthie sure, But tell me I praye yow Eudox: and Wel worthie sure, But tell me I praye yow
haue they anye arte in theire compositions or be they haue they anye arte in theire compositions or be they
any thinge . any thinge .
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any thinge wittye or wel favored , welfavored, as Poems should bee any thinge wittye or welfavored, wel favored , as Poems should bee
Iren: Yea trulie , trulie, I have caused dyverse of them to bee Iren: Yea trulie, trulie , I have caused dyverse of them to bee
translated vnto me , me, that I might vnderstand them them, translated vnto me, me , that I might vnderstand them, them
and surelie they favored of sweete witt and good in and surelie they favored of sweete witt and good in
vencon , vencon, but killedth skilledth not of the goodlie ornamentes of Poet rie Poetrie vencon, vencon , but skilledth killedth not of the goodlie ornamentes of Poetrie Poet rie
yett were they sprinckled w i th sprinckled, wth some prettie flowers of yett were they sprinckled, wth sprinckled w i th some prettie flowers of
theire owne naturall devise , w hi ch devise, wch gave good grace theire owne naturall devise, wch devise , w hi ch gave good grace
and Comelynesse vnto them ; them, The w hi ch wch it is for great e so greate and Comelynesse vnto them, them ; The wch w hi ch it is so greate for great e
pyttie to see so good an onram ornam en t abused to the grac ing gracinge pyttie to see so good an ornam onram en t abused to the gracinge grac ing
of wickednes and vice , w hi ch vice, wch would w i th wth good vsage vsaige of wickednes and vice, wch vice , w hi ch would wth w i th good vsaige vsage
serve to bewtyfie and adorne vertue , vertue, This serve to bewtyfie and adorne vertue, vertue , This
evill Custome there fore therefore needeth reformacon , reformacon, And evill Custome therefore there fore needeth reformacon, reformacon , And
who now next after the Irishe kerne , kerne, mee semes the now who next after the Irishe kerne, kerne , mee semes the
Irishe horse boyes horseboyes would come well in order the Irishe horseboyes horse boyes would come well in order the
vse of w hi ch wch though necessitie (as tymes nowe bee) vse of wch w hi ch though necessitie (as tymes nowe bee)
doe enforce , enforce, yet in the thorough reformacon reformac i on of that doe enforce, enforce , yet in the thorough reformac i on reformacon of that
realme , realme, they should bee cutt of of, for the cause whie realme, realme , they should bee cutt of, of for the cause whie
they must now be p er mitted is the wante of conveni ent convenient they must now be p er mitted is the wante of convenient conveni ent
Inns for lodginge of travellers on one horsebacke and of Inns for lodginge of travellers one on horsebacke and of
hostelers to tende theire horses by the waye , waye, But hostelers to tende theire horses by the waye, waye , But
when thinges things shalbee reduced to a better passe , the passe, this when things thinges shalbee reduced to a better passe, this passe , the
nedeth speciallie to bee reformed , reformed, for out of the fry frye nedeth speciallie to bee reformed, reformed , for out of the frye fry
of these rakehellye horseboyes horseboyes, growinge vpp in kna very knaverie of these rakehellye horseboyes, horseboyes growinge vpp in knaverie kna very
and vyllanie , vyllanie, are theire kerne contynewallye ~~ --- and vyllanie, vyllanie , are theire kerne contynewallye --- ~~
supplyed and maintayned , maintayned, for harvinge havinge bene once brought supplyed and maintayned, maintayned , for havinge harvinge bene once brought
vpp an Idle horseboye , horseboye, he will neu er after fall vpp an Idle horseboye, horseboye , he will neu er after fall
to Laboure , laboure, but is onelie made fytt for the halte r halter. to laboure, Laboure , but is onelie made fytt for the halter. halte r
And these also ( the w hi ch (the wch is one foule oversight ) ar e oversight, are And these also (the wch ( the w hi ch is one foule oversight, are oversight ) ar e
for the most p ar te bredd vpp amongst Englishe for the most p ar te bredd vpp amongst Englishe
men and souldyors , souldyors, of whom learning to shoote men and souldyors, souldyors , of whom learning to shoote
in pece , pece, and beinge made acquainted w i th wth all the in pece, pece , and beinge made acquainted wth w i th all the
trades of the Englishe , Englishe, they are afterwardes whe n when trades of the Englishe, Englishe , they are afterwardes when whe n
they become kerne made more fytt to Cutt they become kerne made more fytt to Cutt
theire throates , theire throates, Next to this theire is another theire throates, theire throates , Next to this theire is another
much like much like
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47 much lyke, but much more lyke lewde and dishonest, and much lyke, but much more lyke lewde and dishonest, and 47
much lyke , but much more lyke lewde and dishonest , and that is of theire Carrowes wch is a kynde of people that is of theire Carrowes wch is a kynde of people much lyke , but much more lyke lewde and dishonest , and
that is of theire Carrowes w hi ch is a kynde of people Wander vpp and downe gentlemens howses that Wander vpp and downe gentlemens howses is of theire Carrowes w hi ch is a kynde of people
that wander vpp lyvinge onelye vpon Cardes and downe gentlemens howses dyce, the wch - lyvinge onelye vpon Cardes that wander vpp and dyce, the wch - downe gentlemens howses
lyvinge onelye vpon Cardes and dyce , the w hi ch ~~ though they haue little or nothing of theire owne, yett will though they haue little or nothing of theire owne, yett will lyvinge onelye vpon Cardes and dyce , the w hi ch ~~
though they haue little or nothing of theire owne , yett will they playe for much monye, wch yf they wynne they playe for much monye, wch yf they wynne though they haue little or nothing of theire owne , yett will
they playe for much monye , w hi ch they waste most lightlie, and yf they wynne loose they waste most lightlie, and they playe for much monye , w hi ch yf they loose wynne
they waste most lightlie , and yf they loose they paye as slenderlie, but make recompence they paye as slenderlie, but make recompence they waste most lightlie , and yf they loose
they paye as slenderlie , but make recompence wth one stealth or another, whose onelye hurte wth one stealth or another, whose onelye hurte they paye as slenderlie , but make recompence
w i th one stealth or another whose onelye hurte are is not that they them selues are Idle losells, are is not that they them selues are Idle losells, w i th one stealth or another whose onelye hurte
are is not that they them selues are Idle losels , are is not that they them selues are Idle losels ,
but that through gaminge they drawe others but that through gaminge they drawe others
to lyke lwedenes lewdenes and ydlenesse , ydlenesse, And to these to lyke lewdenes lwedenes and ydlenesse, ydlenesse , And to these
maye be added another sort sorte of like loose fellowes , fellowes, maye be added another sorte sort of like loose fellowes, fellowes ,
w hi ch wch doe passe vpp and downe amongst gentlemen wch w hi ch doe passe vpp and downe amongst gentlemen
by the name of Iesters , Iesters, but are in deed notable by the name of Iesters, Iesters , but are in deed notable
roges and p ar takers not onelie of notable manie stealthes roges and p ar takers not onelie of notable manie stealthes
by settinge forth other mens goodes goodes, to be stolen , stolen, by settinge forth other mens goodes, goodes to be stolen, stolen ,
but also privie to manye traytorous practizes.. practizes but also privie to manye traytorous practizes practizes..
and comon Carriers of newes , w hi ch newes, wth desyre whereof and comon Carriers of newes, wth newes , w hi ch desyre whereof
yow would weounder wounder how much the Irishe are fedd fedd, yow would wounder weounder how much the Irishe are fedd, fedd
for they saye vse comonlie com m onlie to send vpp and downe to for they saye vse com m onlie comonlie to send vpp and downe to
knowe newes , newes, and yf any meete another his knowe newes, newes , and yf any meete another his
second worde is what newes , newes, In so much that second worde is what newes, newes , In so much that
hereof is tould a prettie Iest of a frenchman, hereof is tould a prettie Iest of a frenchman,
who havinge bene sometyme in Ireland, where who havinge bene sometyme in Ireland, where
hee marked theire great inquirie for newes, hee marked theire great inquirie for newes,
and metinge afterwardes in ffrance France an ~~ -- and metinge afterwardes in France ffrance an -- ~~
Irishe man whom he knewe in Ireland , Ireland, first Irishe man whom he knewe in Ireland, Ireland , first
saluted him , him, and afterwardes this merelye , thus merelye, S i r saluted him, him , and afterwardes thus merelye, this merelye , S i r
I praye yow, (quoth he) tell me of Courtesie , Courtesie, haue I praye yow, (quoth he) tell me of Courtesie, Courtesie , haue
yow heard yett any thinge of the newes that ye yow heard yett any thinge of the newes that ye
so much inquired for in yo u r countrie yor countrie: so much inquired for in yor countrie: yo u r countrie
Eudox: This argueth my ag sure in them . a greate agreate Eudox: This argueth ag my sure in them agreate . a greate
desyre of desyre of
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besyre desyre of Innouacon , Innouac i on, and therefore these occasions w hi ch wch nourish desyre besyre of Innouac i on, Innouacon , and therefore these occasions wch w hi ch nourish
the same are to bee taken awaye , awaye, as namelye those the same are to bee taken awaye, awaye , as namelye those
Iesters Carrowes monashite Monashite and all such straglers straglers, Iesters Carrowes Monashite monashite and all such straglers, straglers
for whom me semes , semes, the shorte ryddance of a for whom me semes, semes , the shorte ryddance of a
marshall were meter then any ordynance or ~ - marshall were meter then any ordynance or - ~
p ro hibytion to restrayne them : them, There fore I praye p ro hibytion to restrayne them, them : There fore I praye
yow restrayne them leaue all this rabblem en t of of yow restrayne them leaue all this rabblem en t of of
such loose runnagates and passe to some other custo mes customes: such loose runnagates and passe to some other customes: custo mes
Iren: Iren : There is a greate agreate vse amonge the Irishe to ~ -- Iren : Iren: There is agreate a greate vse amonge the Irishe to -- ~
make greate assemblies to geather vpon a Rath make greate assemblies to geather vpon a Rath
or hill there to p ar lye (as they saye) about matters or hill there to p ar lye (as they saye) about matters
and wronges , and wronges, betwene Towneshipp and Towneshi pp Towneshipp and wronges, and wronges , betwene Towneshipp and Towneshipp Towneshi pp
or one p ri vate p er son and another , another, but well I wote tha t that or one p ri vate p er son and another, another , but well I wote that tha t
trewe yt hath bene oftentymes approued approued, that in these trewe yt hath bene oftentymes approued, approued that in these
metinges manye mischeifes haue bene both metinges manye mischeifes haue bene both
practized and wrought . ffor wrought: For to them , them, doe com monlye m onlie practized and wrought: For wrought . ffor to them, them , doe com m onlie monlye
resorte all , the scume of loose people people, where resorte all , the scume of loose people, people where
they maye frelie meete and conferr of what they maye frelie meete and conferr of what
they list , w hi ch as they list, wch elles they could not doe w i th out susp i wthout suspe they list, wch elles they list , w hi ch as they could not doe wthout suspe w i th out susp i
cion tion or knowledge of others others. Besydes at those these p ar lies tion cion or knowledge of others. others Besydes at these those p ar lies
I haue dyverse tymes knowen that manye I haue dyverse tymes knowen that manye
Englishe men , men, and other good Irishe subiectes haue Englishe men, men , and other good Irishe subiectes haue
bene villanouslie murdred , murdred, by movinge one quarr bene villanouslie murdred, murdred , by movinge one quarr
ell or another , another, amongst them : ffor them: For the Irish ell or another, another , amongst them: For them : ffor the Irish
never come to those Rathes , Rathes, but armed whether never come to those Rathes, Rathes , but armed whether
on horsebacke , or on foote w hi ch foote, wch the Englishe ….. englishe noting on horsebacke , or on foote, wch foote w hi ch the englishe noting Englishe …..
nothing suspectinge , suspectinge, are then comonlie com m onlie taken nothing suspectinge, suspectinge , are then com m onlie comonlie taken
at tagge like sheepe in the pynfold : pynfold:: at tagge like sheepe in the pynfold:: pynfold :
Eudox: It maye bee Iren Iren: that abuse maye bee Eudox: It maye bee Iren: Iren that abuse maye bee
in these metinges , metinges, but these rounde hills and in these metinges, metinges , but these rounde hills and
square bawnes w hi ch bawnes, wch yow see so stronglie trenched square bawnes, wch bawnes w hi ch yow see so stronglie trenched
and throwen vpp vpp, were (they saye) at first ~~ -- and throwen vpp, vpp were (they saye) at first -- ~~
ordayned for the same purpose , purpose, that people might ordayned for the same purpose, purpose , that people might
assemble them selues thereon . thereon, And therefore assemble them selues thereon, thereon . And therefore
auncyentlie auncyentlie
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48 48
Auncientlie they were called Folkemotes , that is Auncientlie they were called Folkemotes , that is
a place for people to meete or talke of any thinge anythinge a place for people to meete or talke of anythinge any thinge
that concerned any difference bettwene betwene p ar ties that concerned any difference betwene bettwene p ar ties
and Towneshipps , w hi ch Towne shipps, wch semeth yett to mee verie and Towne shipps, wch Towneshipps , w hi ch semeth yett to mee verie
requesite ~~ - - requesite - - ~~
Iren: Yee saye verie trewe Eudox: , The first Iren: Yee saye verie trewe Eudox: , The first
makinge of these high hills ; hills, was at first makinge of these high hills, hills ; was at first
indeed to verie good purpose , purpose, for people to ~~ - - indeed to verie good purpose, purpose , for people to - - ~~
meete , meete, but though the tymes when they were meete, meete , but though the tymes when they were
first made might well serue to good accasions , occasions, first made might well serue to good occasions, accasions ,
as p er happs they did then in England , England, the good as p er happs they did then in England, England , the good
vse that then was of them is nowe turned to abuse : . abuse: vse that then was of them is nowe turned to abuse: abuse : .
ffor these For those are for the most p ar te in forme fower square well For those ffor these are for the most p ar te in forme fower square well
trenched , for the metinge of that The others trenched , for the metinge of that The others
that are round round, were cast vpp by the danes , Danes, as the that are round, round were cast vpp by the Danes, danes , as the
name of them doth betoken ; betoken, for they are called ~~ - - name of them doth betoken, betoken ; for they are called - - ~~
Danerathes , that is halls hills of the danes the w hi ch Danes the wch were Danerathes , that is hills halls of the Danes the wch danes the w hi ch were
by them deuised , deuised, not for p ar lies and treaties , treaties, but appointed by them deuised, deuised , not for p ar lies and treaties, treaties , but appointed
as fortes , fortes, for them togather to gather vnto in troblesome as fortes, fortes , for them to gather togather vnto in troblesome
tymes tymes, when any tumulte arose , arose, for the danes Danes tymes, tymes when any tumulte arose, arose , for the Danes danes
beinge beinge, but a fewe in comparrison of the saxons beinge, beinge but a fewe in comparrison of the saxons
vsed this for theire saftie , saiftie, They made these vsed this for theire saiftie, saftie , They made these
small round halls , hills, so stronglie fenced in eu er ie quarter small round hills, halls , so stronglie fenced in eu er ie quarter
of the hundred , hundred, to the ende that yf in the night of the hundred, hundred , to the ende that yf in the night
or at any other tyme any crye or vprore should or at any other tyme any crye or vprore should
happen they might repare w i th all repaire wthall speed vnto happen they might repaire wthall repare w i th all speed vnto
theire owne forte w hi ch wch was appointed for theire theire owne forte wch w hi ch was appointed for theire
quarter and there remaine safe saif till they could quarter and there remaine saif safe till they could
assemble them selues in greate strength : ffor strength: For assemble them selues in greate strength: For strength : ffor
they were made so stronge w i th wth one small enterance they were made so stronge wth w i th one small enterance
that whosoever came thither first were hee one that whosoever came thither first were hee one
twoe , twoe, or like fewe hee or they might rest saif twoe, twoe , or like fewe hee or they might rest saif
and defende them selfes against manye till more and defende them selfes against manye till more
succor succor
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succor came vnto them : them: And when they were gathered succor came vnto them: them : And when they were gathered
to a suffycient number , nomber, they m ar ched to the next forte fortes to a suffycient nomber, number , they m ar ched to the next fortes forte
and so forward till they mett w i th the pill wth the p er ill or knowe the knewe the and so forward till they mett wth the p er ill w i th the pill or knewe the knowe the
occasion thereof , thereof, but besydes these twoe sortes of hills occasion thereof, thereof , but besydes these twoe sortes of hills
thereof were auncyentlie dyverse others , others, for some were thereof were auncyentlie dyverse others, others , for some were
raysed , where , raysed, where, there had bene a greate agreate battayle as a raysed, where, raysed , where , there had bene agreate a greate battayle as a
memorie or Trophes thereof , thereof, Others as Monum monum en t es tes memorie or Trophes thereof, thereof , Others as monum Monum en tes t es
of Buryall of Buryalls of the Carcases of all those that of Buryalls of Buryall of the Carcases of all those that
were slayne in any fight , fight, vpon whom they did thro we throwe were slayne in any fight, fight , vpon whom they did throwe thro we
vpp such round mountes as memorialls for them , them, and vpp such round mountes as memorialls for them, them , and
sometymes did cast vpp greate heapes of stones sometymes did cast vpp greate heapes of stones
on end in compasse , compasse, Everie of w hi ch wch they saye ~ ~ - - on end in compasse, compasse , Everie of wch w hi ch they saye - - ~ ~
betokened some worthie p er son of note , note, there slaine , slaine, betokened some worthie p er son of note, note , there slaine, slaine ,
and buried ffor buried. For this was there ancyent Custome and buried. For buried ffor this was there ancyent Custome
before Christyanitie came in amongst them , them, that before Christyanitie came in amongst them, them , that
church yardes were inclosed : inclosed: church yardes were inclosed: inclosed :
Eudox: Eudox : Yee haue verie well declared the originall of Eudox : Eudox: Yee haue verie well declared the originall of
these mountes and great stones , stones, encompassed w hi ch wth some these mountes and great stones, stones , encompassed wth w hi ch some
vainelie terme , terme, the ould Geantes tryuettes , tryuettes, and vainelie terme, terme , the ould Geantes tryuettes, tryuettes , and
thincke that those huge stones would not ells thincke that those huge stones would not ells
be brought into order or reared vpp w i th out wthout the be brought into order or reared vpp wthout w i th out the
strength of Geantes and others , others, as vainelie thincke thinckes strength of Geantes and others, others , as vainelie thinckes thincke
that they were never placed there by mans hand that they were never placed there by mans hand
or Arte , Arte, but onelye remayned there since the or Arte, Arte , but onelye remayned there since the
begynninge , begynninge, and weree afterwardes discovered discoverred by begynninge, begynninge , and weree afterwardes discoverred discovered by
the deluge , the deluge, and layd open by the washinge of the the deluge, the deluge , and layd open by the washinge of the
waters or other lyke casualtie , casualtie, But let them ~ - waters or other lyke casualtie, casualtie , But let them - ~
dreame there owne Imadginacons to please them dreame there owne Imadginacons to please them
selues , selues, But yee haue satisfyed me much better selues, selues , But yee haue satisfyed me much better
both by that I see some confirmacon thereof in the both by that I see some confirmacon thereof in the
holye writt , writt, and also remember that I haue redd in holye writt, writt , and also remember that I haue redd in
manye histories and Cronicles , Cronicles, the lyke mountes and manye histories and Cronicles, Cronicles , the lyke mountes and
stones stones
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49 stones often tymes menconed:: stones often tymes menconed:: 49
stones often tymes menconed : : stones often tymes menconed : :
Iren: There bee manie greate aucthorities I assure yow Iren: There bee manie greate aucthorities I assure yow
to proue the same , same, but as for these metinges on hills to proue the same, same , but as for these metinges on hills
whereof wee were speakinge yt is verie inconveniente y a t whereof wee were speakinge yt is verie inconveniente y a t
any mynded as they now bee and such should be p er mitted any mynded as they now bee and such should be p er mitted
speciallie in a people so evill mynded , mynded, as they now bee speciallie in a people so evill mynded, mynded , as they now bee
and dyverselie dyuerselie showe them selues : selues:: and dyuerselie dyverselie showe them selues:: selues :
Eudox: But yet is verie needfull mee semes for many Eudox: But yet is verie needfull mee semes for many
other purposes , purposes, as for the countrye to gather togeather other purposes, purposes , as for the countrye to gather togeather
when there is any imposition to be bee laid vpon them , them, to the when there is any imposition to bee be laid vpon them, them , to the
w hi ch wch they then all agree , agree, at such metinges to cutt and wch w hi ch they then all agree, agree , at such metinges to cutt and
deuide vpon them selues accordinge to theire holdinges deuide vpon them selues accordinge to theire holdinges
and abyllities , abyllities, so as yf at those assemblies , assemblies, yf there and abyllities, abyllities , so as yf at those assemblies, assemblies , yf there
bee anye offycers as Constables balifes or such lyke bee anye offycers as Constables balifes or such lyke
amongst them , them, there can bee noe p er ill or doubte of amongst them, them , there can bee noe p er ill or doubte of
such bad practizes : : :: such bad practizes :: : :
Iren : Iren: Neu er theles dangerous are such assemblies whether for Iren: Iren : Neu er theles dangerous are such assemblies whether for
Cesse or ought ells the constables and offycers beinge also Cesse or ought ells the constables and offycers beinge also
of the Irishe and yf any happen Heretobee theretobee of the Englishe of the Irishe and yf any happen theretobee Heretobee of the Englishe
even to them they maye proue p er illous , Therefore illous, There fore for avoy even to them they maye proue p er illous, There fore illous , Therefore for avoy
dinge of all such evill occasions they were best to be abollished abollished. dinge of all such evill occasions they were best to be abollished. abollished
Eudox But what is that w hi ch wch yow call Cesse yt is a word sure vn Eudox But what is that wch w hi ch yow call Cesse yt is a word sure vn
vsed amongst vs here , there fore here, therefore I praye pray yow expland expound y a t same : e same: vsed amongst vs here, therefore here , there fore I pray praye yow expound expland y e same: a t same :
Iren: Iren Cesse is more none other but y a t w hi ch yo u r wch yor self called ympo Iren Iren: Cesse is more none other but y a t wch yor w hi ch yo u r self called ympo
sition , sition, but yt is in a kynd vnacquainted p er happs vnto yow . ffor yow: For sition, sition , but yt is in a kynd vnacquainted p er happs vnto yow: For yow . ffor
there are Cesses of sondrie sortes , sortes, one the Cessing of sold there are Cesses of sondrie sortes, sortes , one the Cessing of sold
iors vpon the countrie , countrie, for Ireland beinge a Countrie of iors vpon the countrie, countrie , for Ireland beinge a Countrie of
warriors warr as yt is handled and alwaies full of soldyers soldyors they warr as warriors yt is handled and alwaies full of soldyors soldyers they
w hi ch wch haue the gou er ern m en t , whether they fynde yt the most ease wch w hi ch haue the gou ern er m en t , whether they fynde yt the most ease
to the quenes purse or most readye meanes at hand , hand, for to the quenes purse or most readye meanes at hand, hand , for
the virtuallinge the victuallinge of the soldyers or that necessitie ensureth ens OB ceth the victuallinge the virtuallinge of the soldyers or that necessitie ens OB ceth ensureth
them therevnto , thervnto, doe scatter the Armie abroade the Countrie them thervnto, therevnto , doe scatter the Armie abroade the Countrie
and plance place them in Townes to take there victualls of and place plance them in Townes to take there victualls of
them at such vacant tymes as they lye not in Campe them at such vacant tymes as they lye not in Campe
nor are nor are
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nor are otherwise ymployed in seruice , seruice, An other kynde of nor are otherwise ymployed in seruice, seruice , An other kynde of
Cesse is the ymposinge of p ro uision for the gou er nors howskeping Cesse is the ymposinge of p ro uision for the gou er nors howskeping
w hi ch wch though yt bee most necessarie , necessarie, and be also for avoydinge wch w hi ch though yt bee most necessarie, necessarie , and be also for avoydinge
of all the evills euills form er lie there in vsed , vsed, latelye brought broughte of all the euills evills form er lie there in vsed, vsed , latelye broughte brought
to a composition , composition, yet it is not yow out wthout great inconvenience inconveniences to a composition, composition , yet it is not wthout yow out great inconveniences inconvenience
no lesse then here in England , England, or rather much more more: no lesse then here in England, England , or rather much more: more
The like cesse is also Charged vpon the Countrie some The like cesse is also Charged vpon the Countrie some
tymes for victuallinge of the soldyors , soldyors, when they tymes for victuallinge of the soldyors, soldyors , when they
lye in garrison at such tymes as when there is lye in garrison at such tymes as when there is
none remayninge in the Quenes store , store, or that the none remayninge in the Quenes store, store , or that the
same cannot convenientlie bee conveyed to there place same cannot convenientlie bee conveyed to there place
of garrison , garrison, but those these twoe are not easye , easye, to bee of garrison, garrison , but these those twoe are not easye, easye , to bee
redressed , redressed, when necessitie there vnto compelleth : therevnto compelleth: but redressed, redressed , when necessitie therevnto compelleth: there vnto compelleth : but
as the form er , as yt is not necessarie so is it most hurtfull as the form er , as yt is not necessarie so is it most hurtfull
and offensyve to the poore Countrie , Countrie, and nothinge ~ - and offensyve to the poore Countrie, Countrie , and nothinge - ~
conveinent convenient to the soldyer him self , self, who during his convenient conveinent to the soldyer him self, self , who during his
lyinge at Cesse vseth all kynde of outragious lyinge at Cesse vseth all kynde of outragious
disorder and villanye , villanye, both towardes thee poore me n disorder and villanye, villanye , both towardes thee poore me n
that victell and lodge them , them, and also to all the res t rest that victell and lodge them, them , and also to all the rest res t
of the countrie about them , them, whom they abuse spoy le spoyle of the countrie about them, them , whom they abuse spoyle spoy le
and afflicte , afflicte, by all the meanes they can invent , ffor invent, for and afflicte, afflicte , by all the meanes they can invent, for invent , ffor
they will not onelie not content contente them selues w i th wth such they will not onelie not contente content them selues wth w i th such
victualls as there hostes doe prouide , them prouide, them, nor yet victualls as there hostes doe prouide, them, prouide , them nor yet
as the place as the will aforde , aforde, But they will as the place as the will aforde, aforde , But they will
haue theire meale meate prouided for them , them, and aquavite aqua vitæ haue theire meate meale prouided for them, them , and aqua vitæ aquavite
sente for , for, yea and monye besydes layde at his sente for, for , yea and monye besydes layde at his
trencher , w hi ch trencher, wch yf hee wante , wante, then aboute the trencher, wch trencher , w hi ch yf hee wante, wante , then aboute the
howse he walketh w i th wth the wretched poore man and howse he walketh wth w i th the wretched poore man and
the syllye poore wyfe , wyfe, whoe are gladd to the syllye poore wyfe, wyfe , whoe are gladd to
parchase purchase there peace w i th wth any thinge , by w hi ch wch- purchase parchase there peace wth w i th any thinge , by wch- w hi ch
vyle mann er of abuse , abuse, the Countrye people ye yea and vyle mann er of abuse, abuse , the Countrye people yea ye and
the verie the verie
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50 the verie Englishe wch dwell abroad & see & somtymes feele these outragies growe the verie Englishe wch dwell abroad & see & somtymes feele these outragies growe 50
the verie Englishe w hi ch dwell abroad & see & somtymes feele these outragies growe the verie Englishe w hi ch dwell abroad & see & somtymes feele these outragies growe
into great detestacon of the soldyer & thereby into hatred of the verye into great detestacon of the soldyer & thereby into hatred of the verye
gou er ern m en t w hi ch wch draweth vpon them such evills , evills, And therefore this yee may also gou ern er m en t wch w hi ch draweth vpon them such evills, evills , And therefore this yee may also
wyne w i th wth the form er evill customes w hi ch wch yee haue to reproue in Ireland :: Ireland:: wyne wth w i th the form er evill customes wch w hi ch yee haue to reproue in Ireland:: Ireland ::
Eudox: Trulie this one not the least , least, and though the p er sons of whom yt Eudox: Trulie this one not the least, least , and though the p er sons of whom yt
is vsed bee of better note then the form er rogishe sorte , w hi ch sorte, wch yee is vsed bee of better note then the form er rogishe sorte, wch sorte , w hi ch yee
reckoned , yet the faulte mee semes not noe lesse worthie of a m ar shall : shall: reckoned , yet the faulte mee semes noe not lesse worthie of a m ar shall: shall :
Iren: That were a hard course Eudox: to redresse eu er ie abuse by a Iren: That were a hard course Eudox: to redresse eu er ie abuse by a
m ar shall , shall, yt would seme to yow euill surgerie to cutt of eu er ye vnsound or m ar shall, shall , yt would seme to yow euill surgerie to cutt of eu er ye vnsound or
sicke p ar te of the bodye , w hi ch bodye, wch beinge by other due meanes recou er ed might sicke p ar te of the bodye, wch bodye , w hi ch beinge by other due meanes recou er ed might
afterwardes doe verie good seruice to the bodie againe , againe, and happelie afterwardes doe verie good seruice to the bodie againe, againe , and happelie
helpe to saue the whole , whole, Therefore I thincke better that some good helpe to saue the whole, whole , Therefore I thincke better that some good
salue for redresse of this evill bee sought forth , forth, then the least salue for redresse of this evill bee sought forth, forth , then the least
p ar te suffred to p er ishe , ishe, But hereof wee haue to speake in a p ar te suffred to p er ishe, ishe , But hereof wee haue to speake in a
nother place , place, Nowe wee will p ro ceed to the other like desertes, defectes, nother place, place , Nowe wee will p ro ceed to the other like defectes, desertes,
amonge w hi ch wch there is one gen er all Inconvenience w hi ch wch rayneth amonge wch w hi ch there is one gen er all Inconvenience wch w hi ch rayneth
almost thoroghout throughout all Ireland Ireland, and that of Lords Lordes of landes and almost throughout thoroghout all Ireland, Ireland and that of Lordes Lords of landes and
fre holders freholders, doe not there vse to sett out theire landes to farme freholders, fre holders doe not there vse to sett out theire landes to farme
or for tearme of yeares to theire tennantes , tennantes, but onelie from yeare or for tearme of yeares to theire tennantes, tennantes , but onelie from yeare
to yeare and some duringe pleasure , pleasure, neither in deed indeed will the Irishe to yeare and some duringe pleasure, pleasure , neither indeed in deed will the Irishe
tennant Tennant or husband otherwise take his land then so longe as he Tennant tennant or husband otherwise take his land then so longe as he
list himself , himself. The reason hereof in the Tena nt is , Tenn an t is, for that the list himself. himself , The reason hereof in the Tenn an t is, Tena nt is , for that the
landlordes there ther vse most shamefullie to racke their Tena ntes , ~ theire Tenn an tes, - landlordes ther there vse most shamefullie to racke theire Tenn an tes, - their Tena ntes , ~
layinge vpon him Coignie and lyuerie Liuerie at pleasure and exactinge of him layinge vpon him Coignie and Liuerie lyuerie at pleasure and exactinge of him
besydes his couen an t t, what he please please, so y a t the poore husbandman husbandman, eyther dare not binde besydes his couen an t, t what he please, please so y a t the poore husbandman, husbandman eyther dare not binde
him self to him for longer tyme , or that he thincketh by his contynewall lib er tie not binde not binde him self to him for longer tyme , or that he thincketh by his contynewall lib er tie
of change him selfe to kepe him for longer tyme, or that he thincketh by his landlord , the rather in awe from wronginge him , and contynewall lib er tie him selfe of change to him for longer tyme, or that he thincketh by kepe his contynewall lib er tie landlord , the rather in awe from wronginge him , and
the reason why the landlord will not longer covenant w i th him , is for that he of change to kepe his landlord, the rather in awe from wronginge him, and of change to kepe his landlord, the rather in awe from wronginge him, and the reason why the landlord will not longer covenant w i th him , is for that he
dalie looketh change and alteracon and hovereth in expectacon of new ^ worldes: the reason why the landlord will not longer covenant wth him, is for that he the reason why the landlord will not longer covenant wth him, is for that he dalie looketh change and alteracon and hovereth in expectacon of new ^ worldes:
Eudox: But what evill cometh hereby to the comon wealth , or what dalie looketh change and alterac i on, and hovereth in expectacon of new worldes: dalie looketh change and alterac i on, and hovereth in expectacon of new worldes: Eudox: But what evill cometh hereby to the comon wealth , or what
reason is yt that any land lord should not sett nor any tenn an t take his land as him self list Eudox: But what evill com m eth hereby to the com m on wealth, or what Eudox: But what evill com m eth hereby to the com m on wealth, or what reason is yt that any land lord should not sett nor any tenn an t take his land as him self list
Iren: Marie the evills w hi ch cometh thereby are great for by this means reason is yt that any Landlord should not sett, nor any tenn an t take his land as reason is yt that any Landlord should not sett, nor any tenn an t take his land as Iren: Marie the evills w hi ch cometh thereby are great for by this means
both the landlord thincketh that he hath his Tena nt more at comaund to himself list himself list both the landlord thincketh that he hath his Tena nt more at comaund to
followe him into what action soever he will enter , And also Iren: Marie the Tenn an t beinge evilles wch com m eth thereby are great, for by this meane Iren: Marie followe him into what action soever he will enter , And also the evilles wch com m eth thereby are great, for by this meane Tenn an t beinge
lefte both the landlord thincketh that he hath his libertie is fyt for eu er ie variable occasyon of change y a Tenn an t more at com m aund to both the landlord thincketh that he hath lefte at com m aund to his Tenn an libertie is fyt for eu er ie variable occasyon of change y a t more
shalbe offreed by tyme followe him into what action soever he will enter , and so much And also the more willinge & redye is hee Tenn an t beinge followe him into what action soever he will enter shalbe offreed by tyme , And and so much also the Tenn an t beinge more willinge & redye is hee
to run into the same , lefte at his holdinge , libertie is fyt for that he hath noe such estate in any eu er ie variable occasyon of change y t lefte at to run into the same , for eu er ie variable occasyon of change y t that he hath noe such estate in any his libertie is fyt holdinge ,
noe such buildinge vpon anye farme , noe such costes ymployed in fencinge shalbe offreed by tyme, and so much also the more willinge & redye is hee shalbe offreed by tyme, and so much also the more willinge & redye is hee noe such buildinge vpon anye farme , noe such costes ymployed in fencinge
and to run into the same, for that he hath noe such estate in any his holdinge, to run into the same, for that he hath noe such estate in any his holdinge, and
noe such buildinge vpon anye farme, noe such costes ymployed in fencinge noe such buildinge vpon anye farme, noe such costes ymployed in fencinge
and, and,
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and husbandringe the same , same, as might w i th wth hold him for anye and husbandringe the same, same , as might wth w i th hold him for anye
such wilfull course as his Lordes lordes cause and his owne lewde such wilfull course as his lordes Lordes cause and his owne lewde
disposition may carrie him vnto , vnto, All w hi ch wch he hath forborne and disposition may carrie him vnto, vnto , All wch w hi ch he hath forborne and
spared so much , expence , much, expence, for that he had noe form er estate in his spared so much, expence, much , expence , for that he had noe form er estate in his
tenem en t , but was onelye a tenn an t at will or little more , more, and tenem en t , but was onelye a tenn an t at will or little more, more , and
so at will maye leaue yt , yt, And this inconvenience may so at will maye leaue yt, yt , And this inconvenience may
bee reason enough , enough, to ground any ordinance for the good of a bee reason enough, enough , to ground any ordinance for the good of a
comon com m on wealth , - against the p ri vate behoofe or will of any com m on comon wealth - , against the p ri vate behoofe or will of any
Landlord , landlord, that shall refuse refuise to grante any such tenure or landlord, Landlord , that shall refuise refuse to grante any such tenure or
estate vnto his Tena nt Tenna n te as may tend to the good of the whol e whole estate vnto his Tenna n te Tena nt as may tend to the good of the whole whol e
realme : realme: realme: realme :
Eudox: Indeed mee semes seemes yt is a great agreat wilfulnes in any such Eudox: Indeed mee seemes semes yt is agreat a great wilfulnes in any such
landlord , to refuse landlord, to refuise to make any longer ffarmer Farmes vnto there landlord, to refuise landlord , to refuse to make any longer Farmes ffarmer vnto there
Tena ntes , Tenn an tes, as maye be sydes besydes the gen er all good of the Realme , Realme, bee al so also Tenn an tes, Tena ntes , as maye besydes be sydes the gen er all good of the Realme, Realme , bee also al so
greatlie for theire owne p ro fitt and avayle ffor avayle: For what reason reasonable greatlie for theire owne p ro fitt and avayle: For avayle ffor what reasonable reason
man will not thincke that the Tenem en t , shalbe made mu ch much man will not thincke that the Tenem en t , shalbe made much mu ch
the better for the Lordes beehoof , beehoof, y the tennant maye may by su ch such the better for the Lordes beehoof, beehoof , y the tennant may maye by such su ch
meanes bee drawen to build him self self, some haue some meanes bee drawen to build him self, self some haue some
habytacon thereof , thereof, to dytch and enclose his ground , his inclose his ground, to habytacon thereof, thereof , to dytch and inclose his ground, to enclose his ground , his
manure and husband yt as good ffarmers vse : ffor Farmers vse: For manure and husband yt as good Farmers vse: For ffarmers vse : ffor
when his Tenn an tes tearme shalbe expyred , expyred, yt will ~ - when his Tenn an tes tearme shalbe expyred, expyred , yt will - ~
yeild him in the renewinge his lease , lease, both a good agood fyne and yeild him in the renewinge his lease, lease , both agood a good fyne and
also a better rent , rent, for the good of the Tenn an t likewise likewise, also a better rent, rent , for the good of the Tenn an t likewise, likewise
who by such buildinges and inclosures , inclosures, shall receyve many who by such buildinges and inclosures, inclosures , shall receyve many
benyfytes , benyfytes, first by his handsomnes of his howse , howse, he shall tak e take benyfytes, benyfytes , first by his handsomnes of his howse, howse , he shall take tak e
great comforte of his life , life, more self saif dwellinge , dwellinge, and great comforte of his life, life , more self saif dwellinge, dwellinge , and
a delight to kepe his said howse neate and cleanelie a delight to kepe his said howse neate and cleanelie
w hi ch wch now beinge as the are they are OB comonlie are rather swyns steades swynsteades wch w hi ch now beinge as they are OB the are comonlie are rather swynsteades swyns steades
then howses, is the cheifest cause of lyfe and salvage condycon , lyinge and lyvinge togea ther his so beastlie mannor of his so beastlie mannor lyfe and salvage condycon , lyinge and lyvinge togea ther
w of lyfe and salvage condyc i th his beast in one howse in one Roome and in one bedd, th at on, lyinge and lyvinge togeather of lyfe and salvage condyc w i on, lyinge and lyvinge togeather th his beast in one howse in one Roome and in one bedd, th at
is the Cleane strawe , or rather the fowle donghill , wth his beast in one howse in one Roome and to in one bedd, that wth his beast in one howse in one Roome is the Cleane strawe , or rather the fowle donghill , and in one bedd, that to
all these other comodyties he shall in shorte tyme fynd is the Cleane strawe, or rather the fowle donghill, and to is the Cleane strawe, or rather the fowle donghill, and to all these other comodyties he shall in shorte tyme fynd
a greater added that is his owne wealth and riches , encr ea all these other comodyties he shall in shorte tyme fynde all these other comodyties he shall in shorte tyme fynde a greater added that is his owne wealth and riches , encr ea
agreater added that is his owne wealth and riches, encrea agreater added that is his owne wealth and riches, encrea
sed sed
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51 encreased, and wounderfullie enlarged by kepinge his Cattell in encreased, and wounderfullie enlarged by kepinge his Cattell in 51
encreased , and wounderfullie enlarged by kepinge his Cattell in enclosures, where they shall alwaies, haue freshe pastures enclosures, where they shall alwaies, haue freshe pastures encreased , and wounderfullie enlarged by kepinge his Cattell in
enclosures , where they shall alwaies , haue freshe pastures that now is all trampled and ou er run, warme couer y t now that now is all trampled and ou er run, warme couer y t now enclosures , where they shall alwaies , haue freshe pastures
lyeth vpen to all trampled and ou er run , warme couer y a t now weather, safe beinge, that now is are conty that now are conty is all weather, safe beinge, trampled and ou er run , warme couer y a t now
lyeth vpon to all weather , safe beinge that now are conty newallie, filched and stollen: newallie, filched and stollen: lyeth vpon to all weather , safe beinge that now are conty
newallie filched and stollen Iren: Yee haue well Eudox : accompted the comodities of this one Iren: Yee haue well Eudox newallie filched and stollen : accompted the comodities of this one
Iren: Yee haue well Eudox accompted the comodities of good ordynance amongst wch this one that yee named last, is not good ordynance amongst wch Iren: Yee haue well Eudox accompted the comodities of this that yee named last, is not one
good ordynance amongst w hi ch his that yee named last , is not the least for all thother beinge most benyficiall, both to the least for all thother beinge most benyficiall, both to good ordynance amongst w hi ch his that yee named last , is not
the least for all thother beinge most benyficiall , both to the Landlord and the Tennant, this cheiflie redowndeth the Landlord and the Tennant, this cheiflie redowndeth the least for all thother beinge most benyficiall , both to
the Landlord and the Tennant , this cheiflie redowndeth to the good of the Com m on wealth, to haue the lande thus to the good of the Com m on wealth, to haue the lande thus the Landlord and the Tennant , this cheiflie redowndeth
to the good of the Comon wealth to haue the lands thus inclosed and well fenced: For yt is both a principall barr inclosed and well fenced: For yt is both a principall barr to the good of the Comon wealth to haue the lands thus
and well fenced ffor yt is both aprincipall barr ympeachm en t vnto theaves from stealinge of Cattell in inclosed and ympeachm en t vnto theaves from stealinge of Cattell in well fenced ffor yt is both aprincipall barr
and ympeachm en t vnto theaves from stealinge of Cattell in the night, and also agaule against all Rebells, and the night, and also agaule against all Rebells, and and ympeachm en t vnto theaves from stealinge of Cattell in
the night , and also a gaule owtlawes that shall ryse vpp in any nombers against all Rebells , and owtlawes that shall ryse vpp in any nombers the night , and also a gaule against all Rebells , and
owtlawes gou ern m t , that for the theef therby shall ryse vpp in any nombers against haue much adoe, fr gou ern m t owtlawes , for the theef therby that shall haue much adoe, fr ryse vpp in any nombers against
gou er m en t , for the theef thereby shall haue much adoe , fr first to bringe forth and afterwardes to dryve, his first to bringe forth and afterwardes to dryve, his gou er m en t , for the theef thereby shall haue much adoe , fr
first to bringe forth and afterwardes to dryve his stollen praye, but through the Comon high wayes, stollen praye, but through the Comon high wayes, first to bringe forth and afterwardes to dryve his
stollen praye , but through the Comon high wayes , where he shall soone bee f OB discryed and mett w thall where he shall soone bee f OB discryed and mett w thall stollen praye , but through the Comon high wayes ,
and mett w i th all the Rebell or open enemye, yf any such shall soone bee f... distryed where he shall soone bee f... distryed and the Rebell or open enemye, yf any such mett w i th all
and the Rebell happen, eyther at home or open enemye , yf any such from abroad shall easelie happen, eyther at home and the Rebell or from abroad open enemye , yf any such shall easelie
happen eyther at home or from abroad shall easelie bee found, when he com m eth forth, and bee well encountred bee found, when he com m eth forth, and bee well encountred happen eyther at home or from abroad shall easelie
bee found , when he cometh forth wthall by a fewe, in so straight passages and bee well encountred stronge wthall by a fewe, in so straight passages bee found , when he cometh forth and stronge bee well encountred
w i th all by a fewe in so straight passages and stronge enclosures: This therefore when wee come to the enclosures: This therefore when wee come to the w i th all by a fewe in so straight passages and stronge
enclosures : This therefore when wee come to the enclosures : This therefore when wee come to the
reforminge of all these evills customes before menconed reforminge of all these evills customes before menconed
is needfull needful to bee remembred remembred: But now by this tyme is needful needfull to bee remembred: remembred But now by this tyme
mee seemes that I haue well Runn through the evill mee seemes that I haue well Runn through the evill
vses , w hi ch vses, wch I haue obserued in Ireland , Ireland, Neu er theles I will vses, wch vses , w hi ch I haue obserued in Ireland, Ireland , Neu er theles I will
note that manie more there bee and infinitelie in finitelie many note that manie more there bee and in finitelie infinitelie many
more in the private abuses of men men, but these that are more in the private abuses of men, men but these that are
most gen er all and tendinge to the hurte of the Comon Com m on Wealth most gen er all and tendinge to the hurte of the Com m on Comon Wealth
as they haue come to my remembrance I haue as breiflie as I as they haue come to my remembrance I haue as breiflie as I
could rehearsed vnto yow , yow, and there fore I thincke best that could rehearsed vnto yow, yow , and there fore I thincke best that
wee passe to our third p ar te , te, in w hi ch wch wee noted inconveniences incoveniences wee passe to our third p ar te, te , in wch w hi ch wee noted incoveniences inconveniences
that is in Religion that is in Religion
Eudox :: Eudox:: Eudox:: Eudox ::
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Eudox: Surelie yee haue verie well handled these ij form er ~~~~~~ ------ Eudox: Surelie yee haue verie well handled these ij form er ------ ~~~~~~
And yf yow shall doe well goe through the third lykewi se lykewise, And yf yow shall doe well goe through the third lykewise, lykewi se
yee shall meritt a vearie good meede :: meede:: yee shall meritt a vearie good meede:: meede ::
Iren Lyttle haue I to saie of relidgion , relidgion, both because Iren Lyttle haue I to saie of relidgion, relidgion , both because
the p ar tes thereof be not manie , manie, yt self beinge but the p ar tes thereof be not manie, manie , yt self beinge but
one , one, and my self haue not bene much conversant one, one , and my self haue not bene much conversant
in that callinge , callinge, but as lightlie passing by , by, I in that callinge, callinge , but as lightlie passing by, by , I
haue sene or heard : heard: Therefore the faulte w hi ch wch I haue sene or heard: heard : Therefore the faulte wch w hi ch I
fynde in relidgion , relidgion, is but one , one, but the same vniu er sal sall fynde in relidgion, relidgion , is but one, one , but the same vniu er sall sal
through out all that Countrie , Countrie, that is that they through out all that Countrie, Countrie , that is that they
are all papistes by theire profession , profession, but in the same are all papistes by theire profession, profession , but in the same
so blindelie and brutishelie enformed , enformed, for the most so blindelie and brutishelie enformed, enformed , for the most
p ar te as that yow would rather thincke them Athiest s Athistes p ar te as that yow would rather thincke them Athistes Athiest s
or Infydells , Infydells, but not one amongst an hundred ~ - or Infydells, Infydells , but not one amongst an hundred - ~
knoweth anye ground of relidgion and article of knoweth anye ground of relidgion and article of
his faithe , his faithe, but can p er happs say saye his pater nost er noster his faithe, his faithe , but can p er happs saye say his pater noster nost er
or his Aue Maria w i th out one worde thereof meaneth Maria: wthout any knowledge or or his Aue Maria: wthout any knowledge or Maria w i th out one worde thereof meaneth
Eudox: This is trulie a most pyttifull ~ vnderstandinge what one worde thereof meaneth: vnderstandinge what one worde thereof meaneth: Eudox: This is trulie a most pyttifull ~
hearing , that so manye soules should fall into Eudox:: This is trulie a most pyttifull- Eudox:: This is trulie a most pyttifull- hearing , that so manye soules should fall into
the devills handes at once , and lacke the bless ed hearing, that so manye soules should fall into hearing, that so manye soules should fall into the devills handes at once , and lacke the bless ed
comforte of the sweete gospell the Devills handes at once, and Christes dea re lacke the blessed the Devills handes at once, comforte of the sweete gospell and lacke the blessed Christes dea re
passion : Aye mee how cometh yt to passe , that comforte of the sweete gospell and Christes deare comforte of the sweete gospell and Christes deare passion : Aye mee how cometh yt to passe , that
beinge a people as they are tradinge w i th so many passion : Aye mee how cometh yt to passe that passion : Aye mee how cometh yt to passe that beinge a people as they are tradinge w i th so many
nacons , and frequented of beinge a people as they ~ are tradinge wth so many , yet beinge a people as nacons , and frequented of so many , yet they are tradinge wth ~
nacons, and frequented of so many, yet theye nacons, and frequented of so many, yet theye
have not tasted any p ar te of those happie have not tasted any p ar te of those happie
Ioyes , Ioyes, nor once bene lightened w i th wth the Ioyes, Ioyes , nor once bene lightened wth w i th the
morninge starr of truth , truth, but lye meltinge morninge starr of truth, truth , but lye meltinge
in such spirituall darkenes , darkenes, hard by hell s in such spirituall darkenes, darkenes , hard by hell s
mouth , mouth, even readie to fall in , in, yf god happe lie happelie mouth, mouth , even readie to fall in, in , yf god happelie happe lie
helpe not : not: helpe not: not :
Iren the Gen er all faulte cometh not of any l ate anye late Iren the Gen er all faulte cometh not of anye late any l ate
abuse abuse: abuse: abuse
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52 OB abuse eyther in the people or theire preistes, who OB abuse eyther in the people or theire preistes, who 52
. abuse other in the people or theire preistes , who can teach better then knowe,- nor shewe noe more can teach better then knowe,- nor shewe noe more . abuse other in the people or theire preistes , who
can teach better then knowe , nor shewe noe more can teach better then knowe , nor shewe noe more
lighte then they haue sene but in the first institu lighte then they haue sene but in the first institu
con and planting plantinge relidgion in all that Realme , w hi ch Realme, wch con and plantinge planting relidgion in all that Realme, wch Realme , w hi ch
(was as I reade reade) in the tyme of Poope Calestine, Calestine , (was as I reade) reade , in the tyme of Poope Calestine Calestine,
who as yt is wrytten did first sende over thother who as yt is wrytten did first sende over thother
Pallidus , who theire deceasinge , deceasinge, he afterwardes sent Pallidus , who theire deceasinge, deceasinge , he afterwardes sent
over , St over, S t Patricke beinge by nacon nac i on a bryton , bryton, over, S t over , St Patricke beinge by nac i on nacon a bryton, bryton ,
who converted the people beinge then infydells who converted the people beinge then infydells
from paganisme and christyned them : them: In w hi ch wch Poopes from paganisme and christyned them: them : In wch w hi ch Poopes
tyme and longe before , before, yt is certene that religion tyme and longe before, before , yt is certene that religion
was gen er alie corrupted , w i th allie corrupted, wth theire popishe ~ - was gen er allie corrupted, wth alie corrupted , w i th theire popishe - ~
trumperie , trumperie: Therefore what other could they lea trumperie: trumperie , Therefore what other could they lea
rne ; rne, then such trashe as was taught them them, and rne, rne ; then such trashe as was taught them, them and
drincke of that Cupp of fornication , w i th w hi ch fornication, wth wch drincke of that Cupp of fornication, wth wch fornication , w i th w hi ch
the people purple harlott had then made all the people purple harlott had then made all
nations druncke : drunken: nations drunken: druncke :
Eud Eud: What doe you then blame and fynde faulte w i th wth so Eud: Eud What doe you then blame and fynde faulte wth w i th so
good an acte in that good Poppe as the rodu redu good an acte in that good Poppe as the redu rodu
cinge of such a greate people to Chr ist endome , endome, cinge of such a greate people to Chr ist endome, endome ,
brin b rin ginge so manie soules to Christ , Christ, yf that were b rin brin ginge so manie soules to Christ, Christ , yf that were
yll what is good :: good: yll what is good: good ::
Iren Iren: I doe not blame the Crei s tinge Cr ist eininge of them , them, for to Iren: Iren I doe not blame the Cr ist eininge Crei s tinge of them, them , for to
bee sealed w i th wth the m ar ke of the Lame , Lambe, by what bee sealed wth w i th the m ar ke of the Lambe, Lame , by what
hand so ever yt bee done rightlie , rightlie, I hould yt hand so ever yt bee done rightlie, rightlie , I hould yt
good agood and gracious m ar ke , ke, for the gen er all profession agood good and gracious m ar ke, ke , for the gen er all profession
w hi ch wch then take vpon them of the Crosse and faith wch w hi ch then take vpon them of the Crosse and faith
in Christ , Christ, I nothinge . b doubte but through the in Christ, Christ , I nothinge b . doubte but through the
powerfull grace of that mightie saviour , saviour, will powerfull grace of that mightie saviour, saviour , will
worke salvacon in manye of them : them: But never worke salvacon in manye of them: them : But never
the lesse , s..nke the lesse, sincke synce they drincke not of the the lesse, sincke the lesse , s..nke synce they drincke not of the
pure springe of lyfe , lyfe, but onelie tasted of such pure springe of lyfe, lyfe , but onelie tasted of such
troubled waters as were brought vnto them troubled waters as were brought vnto them
the drugges the drugges
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the drugges thereof have brought great Contagion the drugges thereof have brought great Contagion
in theire soules , soules, the w hi ch wch dalie encreasinge and in theire soules, soules , the wch w hi ch dalie encreasinge and
beinge still more augmented w i th wth theire owne ~ - beinge still more augmented wth w i th theire owne - ~
lewde lyves and fylthie conversacon , conversacon, hath now lewde lyves and fylthie conversacon, conversacon , hath now
breade in them this gen er all desease , desease, that cannot breade in them this gen er all desease, desease , that cannot
but onelie w wth verie stronge purgacons purgac i th ons bee clens ed clensed but onelie wth w i ons th verie stronge purgac purgacons bee clensed clens ed
and carryed awaye ~~ awaye-- and carryed awaye-- awaye ~~
Eudox: Then for this defect ye fynde noe faulte w i th wth Eudox: Then for this defect ye fynde noe faulte wth w i th
the people them selues nor w i th the preists th.. wth the preistes that the people them selues nor wth the preistes that w i th the preists th..
w hi ch wch take the charge of soules , soules, but w i th wth the first wch w hi ch take the charge of soules, soules , but wth w i th the first
ordynance and institution thereof thereof: ordynance and institution thereof: thereof
Iren: Not so Eudox : ffor For the syne or ignorance of the Iren: Not so Eudox : For ffor the syne or ignorance of the
preists preist shall not excuse the people , people, nor the preist preists shall not excuse the people, people , nor the
aucthoritie of theire greate pastors Peters success or successor aucthoritie of theire greate pastors Peters successor success or
shall not excuse the Preist Preist, but they all shall shall not excuse the Preist, Preist but they all shall
dye in theire synns , synns, for they haue all erred and dye in theire synns, synns , for they haue all erred and
gone out of the waye togeather :: togeather:: gone out of the waye togeather:: togeather ::
Eudox: But yf this ignorance of the people bee Eudox: But yf this ignorance of the people bee
such a burthen vnto the people Poepe , Poope, is yt such a burthen vnto the people Poope, Poepe , is yt
not a like blott to them that now healed held that not a like blott to them that now healed held that
place , place, in that they w hi ch wch now are in the lighte place, place , in that they wch w hi ch now are in the lighte
them selues : selues: suffer a people vnder theire charg e charge them selues: selues : suffer a people vnder theire charge charg e
to wallowe in such deadlie darknes , darkenes, for I do e doe to wallowe in such deadlie darkenes, darknes , for I doe do e
not see that the faulte is changed but the not see that the faulte is changed but the
faultes m aste r : faultes m aste r :
Iren: that w hi ch That wch yow blame Eudox: Eudox :: Is not I suppose an ye any Iren: That wch that w hi ch yow blame Eudox :: Eudox: Is not I suppose any an ye
faulte of will in these theise godlie fathers w hi ch wch haue faulte of will in theise these godlie fathers wch w hi ch haue
charge thereof , thereof, nor anye defecte of zeale for charge thereof, thereof , nor anye defecte of zeale for
reformacon hereof , hereof, but the inconvenience thinconvenience of the reformacon hereof, hereof , but thinconvenience the inconvenience of the
tyme and troublous occasions wherew i th wherewth that tyme and troublous occasions wherewth wherew i th that
wretched realme hath bene contynewallie ~ - wretched realme hath bene contynewallie - ~
Turmoyld : ffor Turmoyld: For instruction in relidgion nedeth quiet Turmoyld: For Turmoyld : ffor instruction in relidgion nedeth quiet
tymes , tymes, and erre wee seeke to settle a sound decypl ine asound decypline tymes, tymes , and erre wee seeke to settle asound decypline a sound decypl ine
in the in the
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53 in the Clargie, wee must purchase peace vnto the in the Clargie, wee must purchase peace vnto the 53
in the Clargie , wee must purchase peace vnto the layetie, For it is yll tyme to preach amongst layetie, For it is yll tyme to preach amongst in the Clargie , wee must purchase peace vnto the
Layetie , ffor it is yll tyme to preach amongst swordes, and most hard or rather ympossible swordes, and most hard or rather ympossible Layetie , ffor it is yll tyme to preach amongst
swordes , and most hard or rather ympossible it is to settle agood opynion in the myndes of it is to settle agood opynion in the myndes of swordes , and most hard or rather ympossible
it is to settle a good opynion in the myndes men, for matters of relidgion doubfull, wch men, for matters it is to settle a good opynion in the myndes of relidgion doubfull, wch
men , haue a doublesse euill opinion of relidgion doubfull , w hi ch our selues: for matters haue a doublesse euill opinion men , for matters of our selues: relidgion doubfull , w hi ch
haue a doublesse euill opinion of our selues : for haue a doublesse euill opinion of our selues : for
ere a newe bee brought in the ould must bee ere a newe bee brought in the ould must bee
remoued : remoued: remoued: remoued :
Eudox: Then belike yt is meete that some fitter Eudox: Then belike yt is meete that some fitter
tyme bee attended , attended, that God send peace and quiet tyme bee attended, attended , that God send peace and quiet
nes , nes, there in Civill matters , be fore matters, before yt bee attem nes, nes , there in Civill matters, before matters , be fore yt bee attem
pted in ecclesiasticall , ecclesiasticall, I would rather haue pted in ecclesiasticall, ecclesiasticall , I would rather haue
thought , thought, that as yt is said , said, Correction should thought, thought , that as yt is said, said , Correction should
begin begine at the howse of god , god, and that the Care begine begin at the howse of god, god , and that the Care
of the soule should haue bene p re ferred before of the soule should haue bene p re ferred before
the Care of the bodye : bodye: the Care of the bodye: bodye :
Iren: Most trewe Eudox: The caere care of the soule Iren: Most trewe Eudox: The care caere of the soule
and soule matters are to bee p re ferred before the and soule matters are to bee p re ferred before the
care of the bodye . bodye, inconsideracon of the worthynes care of the bodye, bodye . inconsideracon of the worthynes
thereof , thereof, but not in the tyme of reformacon :: reformacon:: thereof, thereof , but not in the tyme of reformacon:: reformacon ::
ffor For if yow should knowe a wicked p er son dangero For ffor if yow should knowe a wicked p er son dangero
uslie sicke , sicke, havinge now both soule and bodie uslie sicke, sicke , havinge now both soule and bodie
greatlie deseased , yet both recoverable recoverable, would greatlie deseased , yet both recoverable, recoverable would
yee not thincke yt ill aduism aduisem en t to bringe the yee not thincke yt ill aduisem aduism en t to bringe the
preacher before the Phisicion , Phisicion, for of if his bodye preacher before the Phisicion, Phisicion , for if of his bodye
weare neglected , neglected, yt is like that his languishing languish i ng weare neglected, neglected , yt is like that his languish i ng languishing
soule beinge disquieted by his dyseasefull dysease full bodie soule beinge disquieted by his dysease full dyseasefull bodie
would vtterlie refuse refuise and loath all spirituall would vtterlie refuise refuse and loath all spirituall
comforte : comforte: But yf his bodie weare first - comforte: comforte : But yf his bodie weare first -
recured and brought to good frame , frame, should there recured and brought to good frame, frame , should there
not then be found best tyme to recure his not then be found best tyme to recure his
soule also , also, So yt is in the state of a Realme, soule also, also , So yt is in the state of a Realme,
Therefore Therefore
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Therefore as I said yt is expedient expedyent first to settle Therefore as I said yt is expedyent expedient first to settle
such a course of gou er ern m en t there , there, as thereby thereby, both Civill such a course of gou ern er m en t there, there , as thereby, thereby both Civill
disorders and ecclesiasticall abuses maye bee ~ - disorders and ecclesiasticall abuses maye bee - ~
reformed and amended , amended, whereto nedeth not any reformed and amended, amended , whereto nedeth not any
such greate distance of tymes as yee suppose , suppose, I such greate distance of tymes as yee suppose, suppose , I
requier , requier, but one Iointe resolucon , resoluc i on, for both that each requier, requier , but one Iointe resoluc i on, resolucon , for both that each
might seconde and confirme thother thother: : might seconde and confirme thother: thother :
Eudox: That wee shall see when wee come there Eudox: That wee shall see when wee come there
to , to, In the meane tyme I consider thus much s.. s OB as yow to, to , In the meane tyme I consider thus much s OB s.. as yow
haue deliu er ed to wowchinge towchinge the gen er all faulte w hi ch wch yee haue deliu er ed towchinge to wowchinge the gen er all faulte wch w hi ch yee
suppose in relidgion ^ to meete weete , that it is Popishe Popishe, But doe suppose in relidgion ^ to weete meete that it is Popishe, Popishe , But doe
yow finde noe p ar ticuler abuses , abuses, there in nor in the yow finde noe p ar ticuler abuses, abuses , there in nor in the
ministers thereof : minsters thereof: minsters thereof: ministers thereof :
Iren: Yes verelie , verelie, for what ever disorders yee see Iren: Yes verelie, verelie , for what ever disorders yee see
in the Church Church, of England yee maye fynde there there, in the Church, Church of England yee maye fynde there, there
and manye manie more , more, namelie grosse Symonie and manye manie more, more , namelie grosse Symonie
gredie covetuousnes , covetuousnes, fleshlie int incontynence , care les in incontynence, careles gredie covetuousnes, covetuousnes , fleshlie in incontynence, careles int incontynence , care les
slouthe , slouthe, and gen er allie all disordred lyf in the Como n Com m on slouthe, slouthe , and gen er allie all disordred lyf in the Com m on Como n
Clargie men , men, and beside sall besides all these they haue the ire theire Clargie men, men , and besides all beside sall these they haue theire the ire
owne p ar ticuler enormities , enormities, for all the Irishe preis tes preistes owne p ar ticuler enormities, enormities , for all the Irishe preistes preis tes
w hi ch wch now enioye the Church church, lyvinges theire , theire, are in wch w hi ch now enioye the church, Church lyvinges theire, theire , are in
manner more laymen , mere laymen, goe lyke laymen , laymen, liue manner mere laymen, more laymen , goe lyke laymen, laymen , liue
like laymen , laymen, followe all kynde of husbandrye and like laymen, laymen , followe all kynde of husbandrye and
other worldlie affaires , affaires, as thother Irishe ~ - other worldlie affaires, affaires , as thother Irishe - ~
laymen doe , doe, they neyther read scriptures nor preach laymen doe, doe , they neyther read scriptures nor preach
to the people , people, nor minister the sacram en t of Comunion , Com m union, to the people, people , nor minister the sacram en t of Com m union, Comunion ,
but the Baptisme they doe , doe, for they Christyan but the Baptisme they doe, doe , for they Christyan
yett after the Popishe fashion , fashion, and w i th the wth the yett after the Popishe fashion, fashion , and wth the w i th the
Popishe lattine ministracon onelie they take the Popishe lattine ministracon onelie they take the
tythes and offringes , offringes, and gather what fruites tythes and offringes, offringes , and gather what fruites
elce they maye of theire lyvinges , lyvinges, the w hi ch they wch they elce they maye of theire lyvinges, lyvinges , the wch they w hi ch they
converte as badlie , badlie, And some of them they sy saye converte as badlie, badlie , And some of them they sy saye
paye as paye as
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54 paye as due tribute and shares of theire lyvinges paye as due tribute and shares of theire lyvinges 54
paye as doe tribute and shares to theire lyvinges Bishopps, I speake of those wch are Irish to paye as doe tribute and shares of those wch are Irish theire Bishopps, I speake lyvinges
to theire Bishopps , I speake of those w hi ch are Irish as they receaue them duelie: as they receaue them duelie: to theire Bishopps , I speake of those w hi ch are Irish
as they receaue them duelie . Eudox : But is yt suffred amongst them, It is Eudox : But is yt suffred amongst them, It is as they receaue them duelie .
Eudox; But is yt suffred amongst them , It is Eudox; But is yt suffred amongst them , It is
wonder but that the Gou er nors redresse such shame wonder but that the Gou er nors redresse such shame
full abuses : . abuses:. full abuses:. abuses : .
Iren: how How can they sett since since, they knowe them not , not, Iren: How how can they sett since, since they knowe them not, not ,
for the Irishe Bishopps haue theire Cleargie for the Irishe Bishopps haue theire Cleargie
in such awe and subiection vnder them , them, that in such awe and subiection vnder them, them , that
they dare not complaine of them , them, so as they they dare not complaine of them, them , so as they
maye doe to them what they please , please, for they maye doe to them what they please, please , for they
knowinge , knowinge, theire owne vnworthines and incapa knowinge, knowinge , theire owne vnworthines and incapa
cytie , cytie, and that they aree still therefore removea cytie, cytie , and that they aree still therefore removea
ble at theire Bishopps wold wild will yeild what ble at theire Bishopps wild wold will yeild what
pleaseth him , him, and he taketh what he listeth , listeth, pleaseth him, him , and he taketh what he listeth, listeth ,
Yea yea and some of them whose dyoces are in yea Yea and some of them whose dyoces are in
remote p ar tes some what tes, somewhat out of the worldes eye remote p ar tes, somewhat tes some what out of the worldes eye
doe not at all bestowe the benyfices w hi ch wch are doe not at all bestowe the benyfices wch w hi ch are
in theire owne devocyon , vpon anye anye, but kepe in theire owne devocyon vpon anye, anye , but kepe
them in theire owne handes and sett theire owne ~ - them in theire owne handes and sett theire owne - ~
servantes and horseboyes to take vpp the the tythes servantes and horseboyes to take vpp the the tythes
and fruites of them , w i th them, wth the w hi ch wch some of them pur and fruites of them, wth them , w i th the wch w hi ch some of them pur
chase greate landes and build faire Castles vpon chase greate landes and build faire Castles vpon
them . the same same, of w hi ch wch abuse yf anye bee question them . the same, same of wch w hi ch abuse yf anye bee question
bee moved , moved, they haue a verie seemelie seem e lie coullor bee moved, moved , they haue a verie seem e lie seemelie coullor
of excuse , excuse, that they haue noe worthie mini of excuse, excuse , that they haue noe worthie mini
sters to bestowe them vppon , vppon, but kepe them so sters to bestowe them vppon, vppon , but kepe them so
vnbestowed , vnbestowed, for anie such suffycient p er son as anie vnbestowed, vnbestowed , for anie such suffycient p er son as anie
shall bringe vnto them : them: shall bringe vnto them: them :
Eudox: But is theire noe lawe nor ordynance to Eudox: But is theire noe lawe nor ordynance to
meete w i th wth this mischeif ~ mischeif, - nor hath yt never meete wth w i th this mischeif, - mischeif ~ nor hath yt never
before bene Loked into loked into: before bene loked into: Loked into
Iren: Iren : Yes yt Iren : Iren: Yes yt
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Iren: Yes yt seemes it hath , hath, for theire is a statue statute Iren: Yes yt seemes it hath, hath , for theire is a statute statue
theire enacted in Ireland , w hi ch Ireland, wch seemes to haue bene theire enacted in Ireland, wch Ireland , w hi ch seemes to haue bene
grounded vpon a good meanine , meaninge, that what soever whatsoever grounded vpon a good meaninge, meanine , that whatsoever what soever
Englisheman Englishman being of good conversacon and suffycience suffyciencie Englishman Englisheman being of good conversacon and suffyciencie suffycience
shalbe brought vnto anye of those Bishopps and shalbe brought vnto anye of those Bishopps and
nominated vnto any lyvinge w hi ch in wthin theire dyoces , Dyoces, that nominated vnto any lyvinge wthin w hi ch in theire Dyoces, dyoces , that
is p re sentlie voyde , voyde, that he shall w wthout contradict i th out contradi ction on is p re sentlie voyde, voyde , that he shall wthout contradict w i on th out contradi ction
bee admitted ad mitted therevnto before any Irishe : Irishe: bee ad mitted admitted therevnto before any Irishe: Irishe :
Eudox: This is surelie a verie averie good lawe and well Eudox: This is surelie averie a verie good lawe and well
p ro vided for this evill whereof yee speake , speake, and why whie p ro vided for this evill whereof yee speake, speake , and whie why
is not the same obserued : obserued: is not the same obserued: obserued :
Iren Iren: I thincke yt is well obserued and that none of the Iren: Iren I thincke yt is well obserued and that none of the
Bishopps transgresse the same , same, but yet yt worketh Bishopps transgresse the same, same , but yet yt worketh
noe reformacon hereof ; hereof, for in anie respectes , fir st manie respectes, first noe reformacon hereof, hereof ; for manie respectes, first in anie respectes , fir st
theire are noe such suffycient Englishe minister s ministers theire are noe such suffycient Englishe ministers minister s
sente over , over, as might be p re sented to any Bisho pps Bishopp sente over, over , as might be p re sented to any Bishopp Bisho pps
for any lyvinge , anye lyvinge, but the most p ar te of such Eng lish English for anye lyvinge, any lyvinge , but the most p ar te of such English Eng lish
as come over thither of them selues , selues, are ythe r eyther as come over thither of them selues, selues , are eyther ythe r
vnlearned or men of some badd note , note, for w hi ch they vnlearned or men of some badd note, note , for w hi ch they
haue forsaken England , for saken England, so as the Bishopp to haue for saken England, forsaken England , so as the Bishopp to
whom they shalbe p re sented , sented, maye iustlie reiect reiecte whom they shalbe p re sented, sented , maye iustlie reiecte reiect
them as incapable and insuffycient : insuffycient: Secondlie the them as incapable and insuffycient: insuffycient : Secondlie the
Bushoppe him self is p er happs an Irishe man , man, Bushoppe him self is p er happs an Irishe man, man ,
who beinge made iudge ^ of by that lawe of the suffyciencye of suffycientcye of who beinge made iudge by ^ of that lawe of the suffycientcye of suffyciencye of
the minister minister, maye at his owne will dislike the minister, minister maye at his owne will dislike
of the Englishe man as vnworthie in his ~ - of the Englishe man as vnworthie in his - ~
opynion opynion, and admitte ad mitte of anye other Irishe whom opynion, opynion and ad mitte admitte of anye other Irishe whom
he shall thincke more for his turne , turne, And yf he he shall thincke more for his turne, turne , And yf he
shall at the instance of any English man of shall at the instance of any English man of
Countenance theire , theire, whome he will not disp lease displease Countenance theire, theire , whome he will not displease disp lease
accept of accept of
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55 55
accepte of any such English minister as shalbe accepte of any such English minister as shalbe
tendred vnto him , him, yet he will vnderhand carie tendred vnto him, him , yet he will vnderhand carie
such a harde hand over him , him, or by his offycrs offycers such a harde hand over him, him , or by his offycers offycrs
wringe him so sore that hee will soone make him wringe him so sore that hee will soone make him
wearye of his poore lyvinge : lyvinge: Lastelie the wearye of his poore lyvinge: lyvinge : Lastelie the
benyfices them selues are so meane and of so benyfices them selues are so meane and of so
small profitte in those Irishe Countries , Countries, through small profitte in those Irishe Countries, Countries , through
the yll husbandrie of the Irishe people w hi ch wch the yll husbandrie of the Irishe people wch w hi ch
inhabite them , them, that they will not yeild any inhabite them, them , that they will not yeild any
competente maintenance , maintenance, for any honest minister competente maintenance, maintenance , for any honest minister
to liue vpon , vpon, scarselie to buye him a gowne : agowne: And to liue vpon, vpon , scarselie to buye him agowne: a gowne : And
were all this redressed as happelie yt might were all this redressed as happelie yt might
bee , bee, yett what good shall anye Englishe bee, bee , yett what good shall anye Englishe
minister doe amongst them , them, by preachinge minister doe amongst them, them , by preachinge
or teaching , w hi ch teaching, wch eyther cannot vnderstand or teaching, wch teaching , w hi ch eyther cannot vnderstand
him or will not heare him , him, or what comforte him or will not heare him, him , or what comforte
of lyf lyf, shall he haue , haue, when his p ar ishoners of lyf, lyf shall he haue, haue , when his p ar ishoners
are so insocyable , so intractable , insocyable, so intractable, so yll affected are so insocyable, so intractable, insocyable , so intractable , so yll affected
to him as they vsuallie bee to all the English to him as they vsuallie bee to all the English
or fynallie how dare almost any honest or fynallie how dare almost any honest
ministers that are peacefull Cyvell men , men, ministers that are peacefull Cyvell men, men ,
comitte his saiftie into the handes of such ~~ -- comitte his saiftie into the handes of such -- ~~
neighbors neighbors, as the boldest Captens dare scarselie neighbors, neighbors as the boldest Captens dare scarselie
dwell by : : by:: dwell by:: by : :
Eudox: Lyttle good then I see is by that statue statute Eudox: Lyttle good then I see is by that statute statue
wrought , wrought, however well intended , intended, but the wrought, wrought , however well intended, intended , but the
reformacon thereof must growe higher and reformacon thereof must growe higher and
bee brought from a stranger ordynance then bee brought from a stranger ordynance then
the Comandm Comaundm en t or pennaltie of a lawe, w hi ch wch the Comaundm Comandm en t or pennaltie of a lawe, wch w hi ch
any dare enforme or Compaine of , complaine of, when any dare enforme or complaine of, Compaine of , when
yt is broken , broken, but haue yow any more of these abuses in ye y e Clargie yt is broken, broken , but haue yow any more of these abuses in y e ye Clargie
yt Yt is Yt yt is
Iren I Iren I
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Iren: I could coulde p er happs recken more , more, but I p er ceave my Iren: I coulde could p er happs recken more, more , but I p er ceave my
speech speach to growe to longe , longe, and these maye suffize to speach speech to growe to longe, longe , and these maye suffize to
iudge of the gen er all disorders w hi ch wch raigne amongst iudge of the gen er all disorders wch w hi ch raigne amongst
them , them, as for the p ar ticulers they are too manye to bee them, them , as for the p ar ticulers they are too manye to bee
reckoned , reckoned, for the clargie theire , theire, excepte some fewe reckoned, reckoned , for the clargie theire, theire , excepte some fewe
graue fathers w hi ch wch are in high place about the graue fathers wch w hi ch are in high place about the
state and some fewe others w hi ch wch are latelie plan ted planted state and some fewe others wch w hi ch are latelie planted plan ted
in theire newe colledge , colledge, are gen er allie badd in theire newe colledge, colledge , are gen er allie badd
lycentious and most disordred : : disordred: : lycentious and most disordred: : disordred : :
Eudox: Yee haue yee have then as I suppose gone through Eudox: yee have Yee haue then as I suppose gone through
these three first p ar tes w hi ch tes, wch ye purposed vnto yo u r self , yor self, these three first p ar tes, wch tes w hi ch ye purposed vnto yor self, yo u r self ,
to wyte w hi ch e yte the inconveniences wch ye obserued in to wyte the inconveniences wch w e yte hi ch ye obserued in
the lawes , in the Customes , the lawes, in the Customes, and in the relidgion the lawes, in the Customes, the lawes , in the Customes , and in the relidgion
of that land , land, the w hi ch wch mee semes yee haue of that land, land , the wch w hi ch mee semes yee haue
so throughlie touched , touched, as that nothinge mo re more so throughlie touched, touched , as that nothinge more mo re
remayneth now to bee spoken thereof remayneth now to bee spoken thereof
Iren Not so throughlie as yee suppose , suppose, that nothinge mor e more Iren Not so throughlie as yee suppose, suppose , that nothinge more mor e
can remaine , remaine, but so gen er allie as I purpose that is to can remaine, remaine , but so gen er allie as I purpose that is to
laye open the gen er all evills of that realme w hi ch wch laye open the gen er all evills of that realme wch w hi ch
doe hinder theire good reformacon thereof , ffor thereof, For doe hinder theire good reformacon thereof, For thereof , ffor
to accounte the p ar ticuler faultes of pro ryvate pryvate men to accounte the p ar ticuler faultes of pryvate pro ryvate men
should bee a worke aworke to infynite , infynite, yet some there bee should bee aworke a worke to infynite, infynite , yet some there bee
of that nature , nature, that though they bee in pryv ate pryvate of that nature, nature , that though they bee in pryvate pryv ate
men , men, yett theire evill reacheth to a gen agen er all hurte hurte, men, men , yett theire evill reacheth to agen a gen er all hurte, hurte
as thextortion of sherifes , sherifes, subsherifes and theire as thextortion of sherifes, sherifes , subsherifes and theire
baylifes , baylifes, the Corruption of victualls Cessors and baylifes, baylifes , the Corruption of victualls Cessors and
purveyors , purveyors, the disorders of Senescalls Capta ins Seneschalls Captaines purveyors, purveyors , the disorders of Seneschalls Captaines Senescalls Capta ins
and theire soldyers and manye such lyke , lyke, All and theire soldyers and manye such lyke, lyke , All
w hi ch wch I will onelie name here , here, that theire ref or refor wch w hi ch I will onelie name here, here , that theire refor ref or
macion macion
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56 mac i on maye be mynded in place where yt mac i on maye be mynded in place where yt 56
macon maye be mynded in place where yt most concerneth, but theire is one verie fowle most concerneth, but theire is one verie fowle macon maye be mynded in place where yt
most concerneth , but theire is one verie fowle abuse wch by the waye I maye not omitte, and abuse wch by the waye I maye not omitte, and most concerneth , but theire is one verie fowle
abuse w hi ch by the waye I maye that is in OB Captaines, who not omitte , and wthstandinge that that is in OB Captaines, who abuse w hi ch by the waye I maye not wthstandinge that omitte , and
that is in Captaines , who not w i th standinge that that is in Captaines , who not w i th standinge that
they are speciallie imployed to make peace they are speciallie imployed to make peace
through stronge execution of warr , warr, yet they doe through stronge execution of warr, warr , yet they doe
so dandle theire doinges and dallye in theire seruice so dandle theire doinges and dallye in theire seruice
to them comytted , comytted, as yf they would not haue the ~~ -- to them comytted, comytted , as yf they would not haue the -- ~~
Enymie subdued or vtterlie beaten downe , downe, for feare Enymie subdued or vtterlie beaten downe, downe , for feare
least after wardes they should need ymploym ent en t least after wardes they should need ymploym en t ent
and so be discharged of paye , paye, for w hi ch wch cause some and so be discharged of paye, paye , for wch w hi ch cause some
of them that are layde in Garrison doth of them that are layde in Garrison doth
so handle the matter , matter, that they will doe noe so handle the matter, matter , that they will doe noe
greate hurte to the enymies enymies: whose heades greate hurte to the enymies: enymies whose heades
eftesones they sende into the Gou er nor for Comen eftesones they sende into the Gou er nor for Comen
dacons of theire greate endeauors & endeauors, tell how dacons of theire greate endeauors, endeauors & tell how
waightie a service they haue p er formed by ~ ~ -- waightie a service they haue p er formed by -- ~ ~
cutting of such and such dangerous Rebells :: Rebells:: cutting of such and such dangerous Rebells:: Rebells ::
Eudox: Trewlie this is a prettie mockerie and Eudox: Trewlie this is a prettie mockerie and
not to be p er mitted by the gou er nors : nors: not to be p er mitted by the gou er nors: nors :
Iren: Yea but how can te the Gou er nors knowe readelie Iren: Yea but how can the te Gou er nors knowe readelie
what p er sons those weare and what the purpose what p er sons those weare and what the purpose
of theire kyllinge was , was, yea and what will of theire kyllinge was, was , yea and what will
yee saye of the Captaines , Captaines, doe iustefye this yee saye of the Captaines, Captaines , doe iustefye this
theire Cause , Course, by ensample of some of there theire Course, Cause , by ensample of some of there
governors , governors, who vnder , Benedicte vnder, Benedicite , I doe governors, governors , who vnder, Benedicite , vnder , Benedicte I doe
tell yt to yow , yow, doe practize the light tell yt to yow, yow , doe practize the light
sleightes in theire goverm en tes sleightes in theire goverm en tes
Eudox: Eudox:
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Eudox: Its Is it possible , take heed head what yow say Irenius Irenius: Eudox: Is Its it possible , take head heed what yow say Irenius: Irenius
Iren: To yow yow onelye Eudox: I doe tell yt and that Iren: To yow yow onelye Eudox: I doe tell yt and that
even w i th wth great hartes greif and inward trouble even wth w i th great hartes greif and inward trouble
of mynde , mynde, to see her ma je s t ie jes tie so much abused abused, by some of mynde, mynde , to see her ma jes tie je s t ie so much abused, abused by some
whom they putt in speciall trust of theire affairs affaires: whom they putt in speciall trust of theire affaires: affairs
Of w hi ch wch some beinge m ar shall men will not doe all Of wch w hi ch some beinge m ar shall men will not doe all
wayes what they maye , maye, for quietinge of thinges , thinges, but wayes what they maye, maye , for quietinge of thinges, thinges , but
will rather wincke at some faultes , faultes, and suffer will rather wincke at some faultes, faultes , and suffer
them vnpunished , vnpunished, least they havinge putt all thinges them vnpunished, vnpunished , least they havinge putt all thinges
in that assurance of peace peace, that they might bee bee, in that assurance of peace, peace that they might bee, bee
should seme afterwardes not to bee needed nor should seme afterwardes not to bee needed nor
contynewed in theire gou er ern m en tes w hi ch wth so great a contynewed in theire gou ern er m en tes wth w hi ch so great a
charge to her ma jes tie , And threfore therefore they doe charge to her ma jes tie , And therefore threfore they doe
Cunningelie carrie there course of governm goverm en t and Cunningelie carrie there course of goverm governm en t and
from one hande to another doe doe, bandye the service seruice from one hande to another doe, doe bandye the seruice service
lyke a Tennis ball w hi ch ball, wch they will never lyke a Tennis ball, wch ball w hi ch they will never
strike stricke quite awaye for feare least afterwardes stricke strike quite awaye for feare least afterwardes
they should wante sporte : sporte: they should wante sporte: sporte :
Eudox: Doe yow speake of vnder ma gis jes trates Iren: or of Eudox: Doe yow speake of vnder ma jes gis trates Iren: or of
principall governors : governors: principall governors: governors :
Iren: I doe speake of noe p ar ticulers but the truth Iren: I doe speake of noe p ar ticulers but the truth
maye bee founde out by tryall and reasonable maye bee founde out by tryall and reasonable
.insight OB in sight into some of theire doinges , doinges, and yf I OB in sight .insight into some of theire doinges, doinges , and yf I
should saye theire is some blame hereof in some should saye theire is some blame hereof in some
of the principall governors , governors, I thincke I might of the principall governors, governors , I thincke I might
also shewe some reasonable proof of my speech speach also shewe some reasonable proof of my speach speech
ffor For by that w hi ch wch I and manie haue obserued For ffor by that wch w hi ch I and manie haue obserued
the lyke might bee gathered : gathered: As for ensample the lyke might bee gathered: gathered : As for ensample
some of them seinge seinge, thende of theire gou er ern m en t some of them seinge, seinge thende of theire gou ern er m en t
to drawe nighe , nighe, and some mischeif or trouble troublous to drawe nighe, nighe , and some mischeif or troublous trouble
practize growinge at out vpp w hi ch wch afterwarde may practize growinge out at vpp wch w hi ch afterwarde may
worke trouble to the next succedinge Gou er nor worke trouble to the next succedinge Gou er nor
will not attempte the redresse or Cuttinge of will not attempte the redresse or Cuttinge of
thereof thereof
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57 thereof, eyther for feare they should leaue the thereof, eyther for feare they should leaue the 57
thereof Realme vnquiet at thende of theire goverm en t , eyther for feare they should leaue the or Realme vnquiet at thende of theire goverm en t thereof , or eyther for feare they should leaue the
Realme vnquiet at thende of theire goverm en t , or that the next wch cometh should receaue the same that the next wch cometh should receaue the same Realme vnquiet at thende of theire goverm en t , or
that the next w hi ch cometh should receaue the same to quiet and so happelie wine more prayse thereof to quiet and so happelie wine more prayse thereof that the next w hi ch cometh should receaue the same
to quiet and so ahppelie wine more prayse thereof then they before, And therefore they will not as then they before, And therefore they will not as to quiet and so ahppelie wine more prayse thereof
then they before , And therefore they will not as I saye, seeke at all to represse that evill but I saye, seeke at all to represse that evill but then they before , And therefore they will not as
I saye , seeke at all to represse that evill but will eyther by grantinge protection for atyme will eyther by grantinge protection for atyme I saye , seeke at all to represse that evill but
will eyther by grantinge protection for a tyme or houldinge some ymp ar lance wth the Rebell, or houldinge some ymp ar lance wth the Rebell, will eyther by grantinge protection for a tyme
or houldinge some ymp or tance w i th the Rebell , or houldinge some ymp or tance w i th the Rebell ,
or by treatie of Comissioners or other lyke or by treatie of Comissioners or other lyke
deuises , deuises, onelie smother and kepe downe the flame deuises, deuises , onelie smother and kepe downe the flame
of the mischeif , mischeif, so as yt maye not breake out in of the mischeif, mischeif , so as yt maye not breake out in
theire tyme of goverm en t , what comes afterwards afterwardes theire tyme of goverm en t , what comes afterwardes afterwards
they care not or rather wishe the worst , worst, this they care not or rather wishe the worst, worst , this
course hath bene noted in some gou er nors : nors: course hath bene noted in some gou er nors: nors :
Eudox: Surelie Irenius This yf yt weare true Eudox: Surelie Irenius This yf yt weare true
should be worthie of an heavye Iudgm en t , but yt should be worthie of an heavye Iudgm en t , but yt
is hardlie to be thought , thought, that any gou er nor could would is hardlie to be thought, thought , that any gou er nor would could
so much eyther envye the good of that realme so much eyther envye the good of that realme
w hi ch wch is putt into his hand , hand, or defraud her ma jes tie wch w hi ch is putt into his hand, hand , or defraud her ma jes tie
who trusteth him so much , much, or maligne his succe who trusteth him so much, much , or maligne his succe
ssor , w hi ch ssor, wch shall possesse his place , place, as to suffer ssor, wch ssor , w hi ch shall possesse his place, place , as to suffer
an evill to growe vpp w hi ch wch he might tymelie an evill to growe vpp wch w hi ch he might tymelie
haue kepte vnder vnder, or p er happs to nourrishe yt haue kepte vnder, vnder or p er happs to nourrishe yt
w hi ch wth coullored countenance or such synister meanes : meanes: wth w hi ch coullored countenance or such synister meanes: meanes :
Iren: I doe not certainelie avouch avouch, Eudox: but the Iren: I doe not certainelie avouch, avouch Eudox: but the
seaquell sequell of thinges doth in a mann er proue and sp.. spea sequell seaquell of thinges doth in a mann er proue and spea sp..
plainelie speake so much , that the gou er nors vsuallie plainelie speake so much , that the gou er nors vsuallie
areenvyous are envyous one of anothers greater glorie , glorie, are envyous areenvyous one of anothers greater glorie, glorie ,
w hi ch wch yf they would seeke to excell by better gou er ning wch w hi ch yf they would seeke to excell by better gou er ning
yt should bee a most laudable emulacon , emulacon, but yt should bee a most laudable emulacon, emulacon , but
they doe quite other wise , otherwise, for this (as ye may they doe quite otherwise, other wise , for this (as ye may
m ar ke : : ke:: m ar ke:: ke : :
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marke ) marke) is the Comon order of them , them, that who Cometh marke) marke ) is the Comon order of them, them , that who Cometh
next in place will not followe that course of gou er ern m en t next in place will not followe that course of gou ern er m en t
how ever good , w hi ch good, wch his p re dycessor held , held, or for how ever good, wch good , w hi ch his p re dycessor held, held , or for
destaine of him self , self, or doubte to haue his doing doinges destaine of him self, self , or doubte to haue his doinges doing
drowned drowned, in another mans prayse : w , wi But will drowned, drowned , wi in another mans prayse : w But will
strai stra i ght take a waye quite contrarie to the form er , stra i strai ght take a waye quite contrarie to the form er ,
as if yf the form er thought by kepinge vnder the as yf if the form er thought by kepinge vnder the
Irishe to the reforme them , them, the next by discontyne Irishe to the reforme them, them , the next by discontyne
winge , winge, the Englishe will carrie currie favor w i th the wth the winge, winge , the Englishe will currie carrie favor wth the w i th the
Irishe , Irishe, and so make his gou er ern m en t plausible in vewe Irishe, Irishe , and so make his gou ern er m en t plausible in vewe
as havinge all the Irishe at his Comand : Com m aund: But as havinge all the Irishe at his Com m aund: Comand : But
hee that comes next after will p er happs follow followe hee that comes next after will p er happs followe follow
neither neyther thone nor thother , thother; but will sucke sweet e dandle, thone neyther neither thone nor thother; thother , but will dandle, thone sucke sweet e
and leaue bitternes to the poor e thother in such sorte, as he will sucke sweete oute of them both , and thother in such sorte, as he will sucke sweete leaue bitternes to the poor e
land , w hi ch yf he that comes after shall seeke oute of them both, and leaue bitternes to the poore oute of them both, and leaue bitternes land , w hi ch yf he that comes after shall seeke to the poore
redresse , land, wch yf he that comes after shall p er happs fynde such Crosses as seeke to land, wch yf redresse , he that comes after shall seeke to p er happs fynde such Crosses as
she hee redresse, he shall hardlie bee able to beare , or p er happs fynde such Crosses as redresse, he she hee shall p er happs fynde such Crosses as hardlie bee able to beare , or
doe anye good , that might marke disgrace she hee shall hardlie bee able to beare, or she hee shall hardlie bee able to beare, or doe anye good , that might marke disgrace
of his predycessors , ensamples hereof yee ma ye doe anye good, that might worke disgrace doe anye good, that might worke disgrace of his predycessors , ensamples hereof yee ma ye
of late tymes saffycient lie , his predycessors, ensamples hereof yee may see in the gou er nors of his predycessors, ensamples hereof yee may late tymes saffycient lie ,
and see in others the gou er nors of form late tymes make manyfestlie suffycientlie, see and in the gou others of late form er nors tymes suffycientlie, make manyfestlie
when the gou and in others of that Realme was comitted form er m en t tymes, more manyfestlie and in others when the gou er tymes, more manyfestlie m en t of form that Realme was comitted
when the hows e gou ern m en t of that Realme was comitted sometimes to the Geraldynes , as when the gou ern m en t of that Realme was comitted hows e
sometimes to the Geraldynes, as when the, howse of Yorke held helde the Crowne of England , England, Some of Yorke helde held the Crowne of England, England , Some
tymes to the Butlers , Butlers, as when the howse tymes to the Butlers, Butlers , as when the howse
of Lancaster gott the same , same, and other whiles whiles, of Lancaster gott the same, same , and other whiles, whiles
when an Englishe gou er nor was appointed , appointed, hee when an Englishe gou er nor was appointed, appointed , hee
p er happs found enemyes of both , both, And this is the p er happs found enemyes of both, both , And this is the
wretchednes of that fatall kingdome , w hi ch kingdome, wch wretchednes of that fatall kingdome, wch kingdome , w hi ch
I thinkce , thincke, therefore an in ould tyme was not I thincke, thinkce , therefore in an ould tyme was not
called amisse Ranno or Sacra insula , insula, taking called amisse Ranno or Sacra insula, insula , taking
sacra for accursed : : accursed:: sacra for accursed:: accursed : :
Eudox: I am Eudox: I am
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58 Eudox: I am sorie to here so much as yee reporte, Eudox: I am sorie to here so much as yee reporte, 58
Eudox: I am sorie to here so much as yee reporte , Eudox: I am sorie to here so much as yee reporte ,
and now I begynne to conceaue some what more of and now I begynne to conceaue some what more of
the cause of her contynewall wretchednes , wretchednes, then the cause of her contynewall wretchednes, wretchednes , then
here tofore to fore I found , found, and wishe that this inconveni here to fore tofore I found, found , and wishe that this inconveni
ence were loked into , into, for suer mee seemes yt is ence were loked into, into , for suer mee seemes yt is
more waightie then all the form er and more hardlie more waightie then all the form er and more hardlie
to be redressed in the gou er nor then in the to be redressed in the gou er nor then in the
gou er ned , ned, as a maladie in a vytall p ar te is more gou er ned, ned , as a maladie in a vytall p ar te is more
incurable incurerable then in an externall : : externall:: incurerable incurable then in an externall:: externall : :
Iren: Yow saye verie true , true, but now that wee haue Iren: Yow saye verie true, true , but now that wee haue
thus ended all the abuses and inconveniences of thus ended all the abuses and inconveniences of
that gou er ern m en t , w hi ch wch was of the meanes to cure and ~ our first p ar te, It followeth that gou ern er m en t , wch w hi ch was our first p ar te, It followeth of the meanes to cure and ~
redresse next, wch was of the same , w hi ch wee must labour meanes to cure and - next, wch was of redresse the meanes same , w hi ch wee must labour to cure and -
redure redresse the first begynninge thereof : same, wch wee must labour to redresse redure to the same, wch wee must labour first begynninge thereof :
Eudox: Right so Iren: for by that w hi ch I haue reduce to the first begynninge thereof: reduce to the first begynninge thereof: Eudox: Right so Iren: for by that w hi ch I haue
noted in all this yo u r discourse yee suppose Eudox: Right so Iren: for by that wch I haue Eudox: Right so Iren: for by that wch I haue noted in all this yo u r discourse yee suppose
noted in all this yor discourse yee suppose noted in all this yor discourse yee suppose
that the whole ordynance and institucon of that that the whole ordynance and institucon of that
Realmes gou er ern m en t , was both at first when yt was Realmes gou ern er m en t , was both at first when yt was
placed evill plotted plotted, and also sure since through other placed evill plotted, plotted and also since sure through other
ou er sighte , sighte, Run more out of square square, that disorder ou er sighte, sighte , Run more out of square, square that disorder
w hi ch wch yt is nowe come vnto , vnto, lyke as twoe indyrect wch w hi ch yt is nowe come vnto, vnto , lyke as twoe indyrect
tymes lynes the further they are drawen out , the out, the lynes tymes the further they are drawen out, the out , the
further they goe a sunder : sunder: further they goe a sunder: sunder :
Iren: I doe soe Eudox: so: Eudox : and as yee saye , saye, so thincke thincke, Iren: I doe so: Eudox : soe Eudox: and as yee saye, saye , so thincke, thincke
that the longer that gou er ern m en t , thus contynewethe contynewethe, that the longer that gou ern er m en t , thus contynewethe, contynewethe
in the worse case will that Realme bee , bee, for in the worse case will that Realme bee, bee , for
yt is all in vaine , vaine, that they now who striue and yt is all in vaine, vaine , that they who now striue and
endeavor by faire meanes and peacable plottes , plottes, to endeavor by faire meanes and peacable plottes, plottes , to
redresse the same , w i th out same, wthout first removing all redresse the same, wthout same , w i th out first removing all
those inconveniences , inconveniences, and nowe framinge as yt those inconveniences, inconveniences , and nowe framinge as yt
were in the forge all that , that, is worne out of were in the forge all that, that , is worne out of
fashion fashion
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fashion , fashion, for all other meanes wille wilbe but lost labour fashion, fashion , for all other meanes wilbe wille but lost labour
by patchinge vppone vpp one hole to make manye , manye, for the Irish e Irishe by patchinge vpp one vppone hole to make manye, manye , for the Irishe Irish e
doe strongelie , strongelie, hate and abhorr all reformacon , and reformac i on, and doe strongelie, strongelie , hate and abhorr all reformac i on, and reformacon , and
suiection subiection to the englishe , englishe, by reason that havinge subiection suiection to the englishe, englishe , by reason that havinge
bene once subdued by them , them, they were thrast thrust bene once subdued by them, them , they were thrust thrast
owt of all theire possessions , possessions, So as nowe theye owt of all theire possessions, possessions , So as nowe theye
feare that yf they were againe brought vnder feare that yf they were againe brought vnder
they should lykewise bee expelled owte of all they should lykewise bee expelled owte of all
w hi ch wch is the cause that they hate Englishe gou er ern m en t wch w hi ch is the cause that they hate Englishe gou ern er m en t
accordinge to the sayinge , sayinge, que Quem metuunt accordinge to the sayinge, sayinge , que Quem metuunt
Oderunt , there fore therefore the reformacon must now Oderunt , therefore there fore the reformacon must now
bee w i th a greater power : wth agreater power: bee wth agreater power: w i th a greater power :
Eudox: But mee thinckes that might bee by making Eudox: But mee thinckes that might bee by making
of good lawes , lawes, and establishinge of newe statutes of good lawes, lawes , and establishinge of newe statutes
w i th wth sharpe pennalties , pennalties, and punishm en tes for amending wth w i th sharpe pennalties, pennalties , and punishm en tes for amending
of all that is p re sentlie amysse , amysse, and not as yee of all that is p re sentlie amysse, amysse , and not as yee
suppose to begine all as yt were anewe and suppose to begine all as yt were anewe and
to alter the whole forme of the gou er ern m en t w hi ch wch to alter the whole forme of the gou ern er m en t wch w hi ch
how dangerous a thinge yt is to attempte , attempte, yow how dangerous a thinge yt is to attempte, attempte , yow
yo u r yor self must needes confesse , confesse, and they w hi ch wch yor yo u r self must needes confesse, confesse , and they wch w hi ch
haue the mannaginge of the Realmes wholie whole haue the mannaginge of the Realmes whole wholie
pollycie , pollycie, cannot w i th out wthout great cause , cause, feare and pollycie, pollycie , cannot wthout w i th out great cause, cause , feare and
refraine : ffor refraine: For all innovacon is p er illous in refraine: For refraine : ffor all innovacon is p er illous in
so much as though as though yt bee ment for the so much as though as though yt bee ment for the
better , better, yett so manye accydentes and feare full fearefull better, better , yett so manye accydentes and fearefull feare full
eventes maye come betwene , betwene, as that yt maye eventes maye come betwene, betwene , as that yt maye
hazarde the losse of the whole : : whole:: hazarde the losse of the whole:: whole : :
Iren: Verie true Eudox: Eudox : all change is to bee Iren: Verie true Eudox : Eudox: all change is to bee
shvnde , shvnde, where the affayres stand in such state shvnde, shvnde , where the affayres stand in such state
as that they maye Contynewe in quietnes quietnes: as that they maye Contynewe in quietnes: quietnes
or bee assured at all to abyde as they are : are: But or bee assured at all to abyde as they are: are : But
that in the Realme of Ireland wee see much ~ ~ -- that in the Realme of Ireland wee see much -- ~ ~
otherwise otherwise
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59 otherwise, for everie daye wee p er ceaue the troubles otherwise, for everie daye wee p er ceaue the troubles 59
otherwise , for everie daye wee p er ceaue the troubles growinge more vpon vs, and one evill growinge growinge more vpon vs, and one evill growinge otherwise , for everie daye wee p er ceaue the troubles
vpon vs , and one evill growinge another, in so much as there is noe p ar te sounde growinge more vpon another, in so much as there is noe p ar te sounde vs , and one evill growinge
vpon another , in so much as not nor assertined, but all haue there is noe p ar te sounde eares vpright not nor assertined, but all haue vpon another , in so much as there eares vpright is noe p ar te sounde
not nor assertined , but all haue there cares vpringht watinge when the watchword shall come that watinge when the watchword shall come that not nor assertined , but all haue there cares vpringht
watinge when the watch now shall come that watinge when the watch now shall come that
they should all ryse gen er allie into Rebellion and they should all ryse gen er allie into Rebellion and
cast awaye the englishe subiection , subiection, to w hi ch wch there cast awaye the englishe subiection, subiection , to wch w hi ch there
now little wanteth , wanteth, for I thincke the worde bee now little wanteth, wanteth , for I thincke the worde bee
alreadie gyven and there wanteth nothinge but alreadie gyven and there wanteth nothinge but
oportunitie w hi ch oportunitie, wch trulie is the death of one Noble oportunitie, wch oportunitie w hi ch trulie is the death of one Noble
p er son , son, who beinge him self most stedfast to his p er son, son , who beinge him self most stedfast to his
noble Quene , Quene, his Countrie Coasting vpon the noble Quene, Quene , his Countrie Coasting vpon the
South sea , sea, stoppeth the ingrate ingate of all that South sea, sea , stoppeth the ingate ingrate of all that
evill w hi ch wch is loked for , for, and noldeth holdethe in all those evill wch w hi ch is loked for, for , and holdethe noldeth in all those
w hi ch wch are at his backe w i th wth the terror of his wch w hi ch are at his backe wth w i th the terror of his
greatnes , greatnes, and the assurance of his ymoveable greatnes, greatnes , and the assurance of his ymoveable
loyaltie , loyaltie, And therefore where yow thincke that loyaltie, loyaltie , And therefore where yow thincke that
good and sound lawes might amend ^ & reforme thinges amysse good and sound lawes might amend ^ & reforme thinges amysse
there theire yow thincke surelie amysse , amysse, for yt is theire there yow thincke surelie amysse, amysse , for yt is
vaine to p re scribe lawes where noe man careth vaine to p re scribe lawes where noe man careth
for kepinge them , them, nor feareth the danger for brea for kepinge them, them , nor feareth the danger for brea
kinge them , them, but all the Realme is first to kinge them, them , but all the Realme is first to
bee reformed and lawes are afterwarde to be bee reformed and lawes are afterwarde to be
made , made, for kepinge and contayninge yt in that made, made , for kepinge and contayninge yt in that
reformed estate : : estate:: reformed estate:: estate : :
Eudox: How then doe yow thincke is there formacon the reformacon Eudox: How then doe yow thincke is the reformacon there formacon
thereof to be begane begune, yf not by lawes and ~ - thereof to be begune, begane yf not by lawes and - ~
ordynances : : ordynances:: ordynances:: ordynances : :
Iren: Even by the sworde , sworde, for all those evills must Iren: Even by the sworde, sworde , for all those evills must
first bee cutt awaye w i th wth a stronge hand , hand, before first bee cutt awaye wth w i th a stronge hand, hand , before
any good can bee planted , planted, lyke as the corrupt any good can bee planted, planted , lyke as the corrupt
branches and the vnwholsome lawes are first firste to branches and the vnwholsome lawes are firste first to
bee pruned , pruned, and the fowle mosse clensed or bee pruned, pruned , and the fowle mosse clensed or
scraped awaye , awaye, before the tree can bring forth scraped awaye, awaye , before the tree can bring forth
any good any good
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any good good fruite : fruite: any good good fruite: fruite :
Eudox: Doe you blame me even now for wishinge kern e kerne Eudox: Doe you blame me even now for wishinge kerne kern e
horseboyes and Carrowes to bee cleane cutt of and horseboyes and Carrowes to bee cleane cutt of and
as too.. too oo violent a meanes and doe yow yo u r yor self now as too oo too.. violent a meanes and doe yow yor yo u r self now
p re scribe the same as to vyolent a meanes a medicyn e ameanes a medicyne, p re scribe the same as to vyolent ameanes a medicyne, a meanes a medicyn e
ys not the sworde the most vyolent redresse that ys not the sworde the most vyolent redresse that
maye bee vsed for any euill : euill: maye bee vsed for any euill: euill :
Iren: It is so But yet where noe other remedie mai e may Iren: It is so But yet where noe other remedie may mai e
bee founde , founde, nor noe hope of recou er ie had had, there must bee founde, founde , nor noe hope of recou er ie had, had there must
needes this violente meanes bee vsed , vsed, as for that needes this violente meanes bee vsed, vsed , as for that
loose kynde of people w hi ch wch yow would haue cutt of loose kynde of people wch w hi ch yow would haue cutt of
I blamed yt for that they might mighte otherwise p er hap ps happs I blamed yt for that they mighte might otherwise p er happs hap ps
be brought to good , good, as namelie by this waye w hi ch wch be brought to good, good , as namelie by this waye wch w hi ch
I sett before yow : : yow:: I sett before yow:: yow : :
Eudox: Is not yo u r yor waye all one w i th wth the form er in effect Eudox: Is not yor yo u r waye all one wth w i th the form er in effect
w hi ch wch yow found falte w i th wth, saue onelie this odes , odes, (that wch w hi ch yow found falte wth, w i th saue onelie this odes, odes , (that
I saye by the halter and yow saye by the sword sworde I saye by the halter and yow saye by the sworde sword
what difference is there , : there,: what difference is there,: there , :
Iren: There is surelie greate when yow shall vnder Iren: There is surelie greate when yow shall vnder
stande yt , yt, for by the sworde w hi ch wch I meane named I doe stande yt, yt , for by the sworde wch w hi ch I meane named I doe
not l meane the Cuttinge of of all that nacon nac i on not l meane the Cuttinge of of all that nac i on nacon
w i th wth the sword , w hi ch sword, wch farr be yt from mee th at that wth w i th the sword, wch sword , w hi ch farr be yt from mee that th at
ever I should thincke so desperatelie or wish ever I should thincke so desperatelie or wish
so vncharitablie , vncharitablie, but by the sworde I meane so vncharitablie, vncharitablie , but by the sworde I meane
the Royall power of the Prince w hi ch wch ought the Royall power of the Prince wch w hi ch ought
to stretch yt self forth o OB in her cheif strength to stretch yt self forth OB o in her cheif strength
to the redressinge and cuttinge of of those to the redressinge and cuttinge of of those
evills w hi ch wch I before blamed blamed, and not of the evills wch w hi ch I before blamed, blamed and not of the
people w hi ch people wch are evill , evill, for evill people by good people wch people w hi ch are evill, evill , for evill people by good
ordynance and gou er ern m en t , maye bee made good , good, but ordynance and gou ern er m en t , maye bee made good, good , but
the evill that is of yt self evill will ~ - the evill that is of yt self evill will - ~
never bee made come goode . : never bee made come goode : .
Eudox: I pray Eudox: I pray
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60 Eudox: I praye yow then declare yor mynde at Eudox: I praye yow then declare yor mynde at 60
Eudox: I praye yow then declare yo u r mynde at large how yow would wishe that sworde wch yow large how yow would wishe that sworde wch yow Eudox: I praye yow then declare yo u r mynde at
large how yow would wishe that sworde w hi ch yow meane, to bee vsed to the reformacon of all those meane, to bee vsed to the reformacon of all those large how yow would wishe that sworde w hi ch yow
meane , to bee vsed to the reformacon of all those evills: evills: meane , to bee vsed to the reformacon of all those
evills : Iren: The first thinge must bee to sende over into y t Iren: The first thinge must bee to sende over into y t evills :
Iren: The first thinge must bee to sende over into y Realme such a t stronge power of men, as that shall Realme such Iren: The first thinge must bee to sende over into y a stronge power of men, as that shall t
Realme such a stronge power of men , as that shall Realme such a stronge power of men , as that shall
p er force bringe in all that rebellious rout of loose p er force bringe in all that rebellious rout of loose
people w hi ch other wch eyther doe now stand out in open Armes people wch eyther w hi ch other doe now stand out in open Armes
or in wandringe Companies Companies: doe kepe the woodes or in wandringe Companies: Companies doe kepe the woodes
spoylinge and infestinge the good subiectes ; subiecte: spoylinge and infestinge the good subiecte: subiectes ;
Eudox: Yow speake now Iren: of an Ifynite Infynite charg Eudox: Yow speake now Iren: of an Infynite Ifynite charg
to her mai es Ma jes tie to sende over such an Armie as should to her Ma jes mai es tie to sende over such an Armie as should
tread downe all that standeth before them tread downe all that standeth before them
on foote and laie on the ground all the stiffe necked on foote and laie on the ground all the stiffe necked
people of that land land, for theire is now but an one people of that land, land for theire is now but one an
Outlawe Owtlawe of any great reckoninge reckoninge, to wete , wete, the Owtlawe Outlawe of any great reckoninge, reckoninge to wete, wete , the
Earle of Tyrone abroad in Armes , Armes, against whom Earle of Tyrone abroad in Armes, Armes , against whom
yow see what huge changes charges shee hath bene at this yow see what huge charges changes shee hath bene at this
last yeare in sendinge of men providinge of ~ - last yeare in sendinge of men providinge of - ~
victuals and making makinge heade against him , him, yett victuals and makinge making heade against him, him , yett
theire is lyttle or nothinge at all done : : done:: But theire is lyttle or nothinge at all done:: done : : But
the Quenes treasure spente , spente, her people waisted the Quenes treasure spente, spente , her people waisted
the poore Countrie troubled , troubled, and the enymie - the poore Countrie troubled, troubled , and the enymie -
neu er theles brought into noe more subiection , subiection, then he neu er theles brought into noe more subiection, subiection , then he
was , was, or list outwardlie to shewe w hi ch wch in effect is was, was , or list outwardlie to shewe wch w hi ch in effect is
none , none, but rather a scorne of her power , power, and none, none , but rather a scorne of her power, power , and
enboldinge enbold n inge of a prowde Rebell , Rebell, and an encorragm en t enbold n inge enboldinge of a prowde Rebell, Rebell , and an encorragm en t
vnto all like lewde disposed traytors , traytors, that vnto all like lewde disposed traytors, traytors , that
shall dare to lifte vpp theire heele against shall dare to lifte vpp theire heele against
theire sou er aigne Ladie , there fore Ladie, therefore yt weare hard theire sou er aigne Ladie, therefore Ladie , there fore yt weare hard
Counsell to drawe such an excedinge charge Counsell to drawe such an excedinge charge
vpon her , her, whose event should bee so vncerten : vncerten: vpon her, her , whose event should bee so vncerten: vncerten :
Iren Trewe Trewe: Iren Trewe: Trewe
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Iren: Trewe : Trewe: indeed yf the event should bee Iren: Trewe: Trewe : indeed yf the event should bee
vncertaine , vncertaine, but the certainetie certaintie of theffecte hereof vncertaine, vncertaine , but the certaintie certainetie of theffecte hereof
shalbe so infallable , infallable, as that noe reason can gain gaine shalbe so infallable, infallable , as that noe reason can gaine gain
saye yt neither neyther shall the charge of all the this saye yt neyther neither shall the charge of all this the
Armie w hi ch wch I demaund bee much greater , greater, then Armie wch w hi ch I demaund bee much greater, greater , then
so much as in this last twoe yeares warrs , hat h warrs, hath so much as in this last twoe yeares warrs, hath warrs , hat h
vainelie bene expended , expended, for I dare vndertake vainelie bene expended, expended , for I dare vndertake
that yt hath cost the Quene aboue ii OB : 200000 that yt hath cost the Quene aboue OB ii : 200000
C poundes alreadye , alreadye, and for the p re sente charge C poundes alreadye, alreadye , and for the p re sente charge
that shee is now at theire , theire, a mounteth to verie that shee is now at theire, theire , a mounteth to verie
nere 12000 poundes a month , amonth, whereof cast yee the nere 12000 poundes amonth, a month , whereof cast yee the
Counte yett nothinge done , the w hi ch some , ha d done, The wch some, had Counte yett nothinge done, The wch some, had done , the w hi ch some , ha d
yt bene ymployed as yt should bee , bee, would haue yt bene ymployed as yt should bee, bee , would haue
effected all this , this, that I now goe aboute : : a boute:: effected all this, this , that I now goe a boute:: aboute : :
Eudox: How meane yow to haue yt ymployed , ymployed, but to Eudox: How meane yow to haue yt ymployed, ymployed , but to
bee spent in the playe paye of soldyers and provis ion of provisio n of bee spent in the paye playe of soldyers and provisio n of provis ion of
victuall : victuall: victuall: victuall :
Iren: Right, so , so, but yt is now not disbursed at once Iren: Right, so, so , but yt is now not disbursed at once
as yt might bee but drawen out into a longe alonge as yt might bee but drawen out into alonge a longe
lenghte , lengthe, by sendinge over now , 2000 poundes now, 20000 poundes, lengthe, lenghte , by sendinge over now, 20000 poundes, now , 2000 poundes
and next half yea ye a re 10000 , 10000, So as the soldyer soldyor and next half ye a yea re 10000, 10000 , So as the soldyor soldyer
in the meane tyme is for wante of due p ro vis ion vision in the meane tyme is for wante of due p ro vision vis ion
as victuall and good payment of his ster ued sterued as victuall and good payment of his sterued ster ued
and consumed , consumed, that of 1000 w hi ch wch came over lustie and consumed, consumed , that of 1000 wch w hi ch came over lustie
able men in half a yeare there are not leftt lefte able men in half a yeare there are not lefte leftt
?500 500 and yett is the Quenes charge neu er theless thelesse, 500 ?500 and yett is the Quenes charge neu er thelesse, theless
but what is not paid in p re sent monie is acc ompted accompted but what is not paid in p re sent monie is accompted acc ompted
in debte , w hi ch debte, wch will not bee longe vnpaide , beelonge vnpaide, in debte, wch debte , w hi ch will not beelonge vnpaide, bee longe vnpaide ,
for the Capteine half of whose soldyers are for the Capteine half of whose soldyers are
deade , deade, and thother quarter never mustred nor deade, deade , and thother quarter never mustred nor
sene , sene, comes shortelie to demaund payment he re heere sene, sene , comes shortelie to demaund payment heere he re
of his of his
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61 of his whole accompte, where by good meanes of of his whole accompte, where by good meanes of 61
of his whole accompte , where by good meanes of some greate ones and p ri vie sharinge wth the some greate ones and p ri vie sharinge wth the of his whole accompte , where by good meanes of
some greate ones offycers and p ri vie sharinge w i th the serv an tes of other some, he receyueth offycers some greate ones and serv an tes of other some, he receyueth p ri vie sharinge w i th the
officers and serv an tes of other some , he receyueth his debte, much lesse p er happs then was due his debte, much lesse p er happs then was due officers and serv an tes of other some , he receyueth
his debte , yett much lesse perhaps more indeed then was due he iustlie deserued: yett his debte , much more indeed lesse perhaps then he iustlie deserued: was due
yet much more indeed then he iustlie deserued : yet much more indeed then he iustlie deserued :
Eudox: I take this sure to bee noe good husbandrie Eudox: I take this sure to bee noe good husbandrie
for what must needes bee spent , spent, as good spente for what must needes bee spent, spent , as good spente
at once where is ynough , ynough, as to haue yt at once where is ynough, ynough , as to haue yt
drawen out into longe delaies , delaies, seinge that thereby drawen out into longe delaies, delaies , seinge that thereby
both the service is much hindered , hindered, and yet yett both the service is much hindered, hindered , and yett yet
nothinge saved , saved, But yt maye bee that the nothinge saved, saved , But yt maye bee that the
Quenes teasure treasure in so great occasions of Quenes treasure teasure in so great occasions of
high disbursements huge disbursem en tes as yt is well knowene huge disbursem en tes high disbursements as yt is well knowene
shee hath bene at latelie , latelie, is not always alwaies shee hath bene at latelie, latelie , is not alwaies always
so readye , so readye, nor so plentifull as yt can spare so readye, so readye , nor so plentifull as yt can spare
so greate a some togeather , togeather, but beinge paid so greate a some togeather, togeather , but beinge paid
as yt is , is, now some and then some , yt is some, yt is as yt is, is , now some and then some, yt is some , yt is
noe great burden vnto her , her, nor any great noe great burden vnto her, her , nor any great
ympoverishing to her Coffers , Coffers, seinge by ympoverishing to her Coffers, Coffers , seinge by
such delaye of tyme that yt dalie cometh in such delaye of tyme that yt dalie cometh in
so fast as she poureth yt out : out: so fast as she poureth yt out: out :
Iren: Yt maye bee as yow said , said, but for the goinge Iren: Yt maye bee as yow said, said , but for the goinge
through of so honorable a course , course, I doubt not but through of so honorable a course, course , I doubt not but
yf the Quenes Coffers bee not so well stored yf the Quenes Coffers bee not so well stored
w hi ch (wch wee are not to looke into , into) but that the (wch w hi ch wee are not to looke into) into , but that the
whole Realme w hi ch wch now as (as thinges are vsed vsed) whole Realme wch w hi ch now (as as thinges are vsed) vsed
doe feele a contynewall burthen of that wretched doe feele a contynewall burthen of that wretched
realme hanginge vpon theire backes would for a fynall realme hanginge vpon theire backes would for a fynall
ryddance of that trouble bee once troubled for all ryddance of that trouble bee once troubled for all
and put to and putto all theire shoulders and helpinge handes and putto and put to all theire shoulders and helpinge handes
and hartes also to the defrayinge of that and hartes also to the defrayinge of that
charge most gladfullie and willingelie , and willinglie, and charge most gladfullie and willinglie, and willingelie , and
surelie surelie
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surelie the charge in effect is nothinge to te the infy surelie the charge in effect is nothinge to the te infy
nite greate good w hi ch wch should come thereby both to the nite greate good wch w hi ch should come thereby both to the
Quene and all this Realme gen er allie as when Quene and all this Realme gen er allie as when
tyme serueth shalbe shewed : : shewed:: tyme serueth shalbe shewed:: shewed : :
Eudox: How manye men then would yow requier to Eudox: How manye men then would yow requier to
the fynishing of this w hi ch wch yee take in hand , hand, and the fynishing of this wch w hi ch yee take in hand, hand , and
how longe space would yow haue them entertayned : entertayned: how longe space would yow haue them entertayned: entertayned :
Iren: Verelie not aboue 1000 footemen and . OB Iren: Verelie not aboue 1000 footemen and OB .
1000 horse and all those not aboue the space of 1000 horse and all those not aboue the space of
one yeare and a half , half, for I would still as the one yeare and a half, half , for I would still as the
heate of the service abateth , abateth, abate the nomber heate of the service abateth, abateth , abate the nomber
in paye , paye, and make other provision for them as in paye, paye , and make other provision for them as
I will shewe : shewe: I will shewe: shewe :
**nor nor noe longe tyme but how would yow haue them vsd would yow lead forth yo u r Army against ye enimy and yor nor **nor noe longe tyme but how would yow haue them vsd would yow lead forth yor yo u r Army against ye enimy and
seeke him where he is to fight** Army against y e enimy and Army against y e enimy and seeke him where he is to fight**
Eudox: Surelie yt semeth not much that yee require ^ seeke him where he is to fight seeke him where he is to fight Eudox: Surelie yt semeth not much that yee require ^
Eudox: for Surelie yt is well knowne , semeth a flyinge not much that he is yee requir e Iren: No Eudox: Surelie for yt is well knowne , that yee requir e he is semeth not much a flyinge
Enymie hydinge him self in woodes and bogges , from Ir: No Eudox: for yt is well knowne, that he is flyeth a flyinge Ir: No Eudox: for yt is well knowne, that he is flyeth a flyinge Enymie hydinge him self in woodes and bogges , from
whernce he will not drawe forth , but into some ~ Enymie hydinge him self in woodes and bogges, from Enymie hydinge him self in woodes and bogges, from whernce he will not drawe forth , but into some ~
whence he will not drawe forth, but into some - straight passage . in woodes and bogges , from whence he will not drawe forth, but into some -
straight passage in woodes and bogges, from whence he will not drawe forth , but into some straight passage in woodes and bogges, from whence
he will not drawe forth, but into some straight he will not drawe forth, but into some straight
pas or p er illous forde where he knowes the pas or p er illous forde where he knowes the
Army must needs passe , needes passe, there will he lye in Army must needes passe, needs passe , there will he lye in
a waite and if he fynde advantage fytt will wyll dange a waite and if he fynde advantage fytt wyll will dange
rouslie hazard the troubled soldyer , soldyer, therefore rouslie hazard the troubled soldyer, soldyer , therefore
to seeke him owte that still flyeth , flyeth, and followe to seeke him owte that still flyeth, flyeth , and followe
him that can hardlie be found were vaine and him that can hardlie be found were vaine and
bootles , booteles, but I would deuide my men in garrison vpon booteles, bootles , but I would deuide my men in garrison vpon
his Countrie , Countrie, in such places as I should thincke his Countrie, Countrie , in such places as I should thincke
mighte most annoye him : him: mighte most annoye him: him :
Eudox: But how can that bee Iren: , w i th Iren:, wth so fewe men men, Eudox: But how can that bee Iren:, wth Iren: , w i th so fewe men, men
for thenemye as yee now see OB is not all in one for thenemye as yee now see OB is not all in one
Countrie , Countrie, but some in Vlster , Vlster, some in Connough and Countrie, Countrie , but some in Vlster, Vlster , some in Connough and
others in Leinster , Leinster, so as to plante stronge garrisons others in Leinster, Leinster , so as to plante stronge garrisons
in all these in all these
** These lines are Eudox’s, inserted above the caret in two lines squeezed between Eudox’s first and Irenius’ last in the preceding paragraph. The first words of Irenius’ reply, along with his name, are squeezed into the margin. The scribe must have initially eye-skipped from “require” to “for yt is,” viewing them as Eudox’s speech continued. 63r; written "62" 63r; written "62" ** These lines are Eudox’s, inserted above the caret in two lines squeezed between Eudox’s first and Irenius’ last in the preceding paragraph. The first words of Irenius’ reply, along with his name, are squeezed into the margin. The scribe must have initially eye-skipped from “require” to “for yt is,” viewing them as Eudox’s speech continued.
Folio 63r in all these places, should need manye moe men the n in all these places, should need manye moe men the n Folio 63r
62 yow speake of, or to plante all in one and to leaue yow speake of, or to plante all in one and to leaue 62
the n rest naked, should need manye moe men be but to leaue them to in all these places , should be but to leaue them to need manye moe men the rest naked, n
yow speake of , or to plante all in one and to leaue the spoyle:: the spoyle:: yow speake of , or to plante all in one and to leaue
the rest naked , should be but to leaue them to Iren I would wishe the cheif power of the Armie Iren I would wishe the cheif power of the Armie the rest naked , should be but to leaue them to
the spoyle : : to bee garrisond in one Countrie, that is strongest to bee garrisond in one Countrie, that is strongest the spoyle : :
Iren: I would wishe the cheif power of the Armie and thother vpon the rest that are weakest, and thother vpon the rest that are weakest, Iren: I would wishe the cheif power of the Armie
to bee garrisond in one Countrie , that is strongest to bee garrisond in one Countrie , that is strongest
and thother vpon the rest that are weakest , and thother vpon the rest that are weakest ,
As for example the Earle of Terrone is now As for example the Earle of Terrone is now
counted the strongest , strongest, vpon him would I laye 8000 counted the strongest, strongest , vpon him would I laye 8000
men in garrisson , garrisson, 1000 vpon Pheagh ma M ac Hugh men in garrisson, garrisson , 1000 vpon Pheagh M ac ma Hugh
and the Cavanaghes , Cavanaghes, and 1000 vpon some p ar tes and the Cavanaghes, Cavanaghes , and 1000 vpon some p ar tes
of Connagh to be at the dyrection of the of Connagh to be at the dyrection of the
Governor : : Governor:: Governor:: Governor : :
Eudox: I see now all yo u r yor men bestowed , bestowed, but in Eudox: I see now all yor yo u r men bestowed, bestowed , but in
what places would yow sett theire garrison that what places would yow sett theire garrison that
they might ryse out most Convenientlie to seruice they might ryse out most Convenientlie to seruice
and though p er happs I am Ignroante Ignorante of the places and though p er happs I am Ignorante Ignroante of the places
yett I will take the mapp of Ireland before yett I will take the mapp of Ireland before
mee and make my eyes in the meane while mee and make my eyes in the meane while
my scholemasters to guide my vnderstanding to my scholemasters to guide my vnderstanding to
iudge of yo u r plott : yor plott: iudge of yor plott: yo u r plott :
Iren: These 8000 of Vlster I would deuide like Iren: These 8000 of Vlster I would deuide like
wise into 4 p ar tes tes, so as theire should bee 2000 wise into 4 p ar tes, tes so as theire should bee 2000
foote men footemen in eu er ie garrison , garrison, the w hi ch wch I would thus ~ - footemen foote men in eu er ie garrison, garrison , the wch w hi ch I would thus - ~
place :: place:: Vpon the blacke water in some convenient place:: place :: Vpon the blacke water in some convenient
place , place, as highe vpon the Ryver as might bee place, place , as highe vpon the Ryver as might bee
one garrison garrison. Another would I putt at Castleliffer one garrison. garrison Another would I putt at Castleliffer
or Castlefyn or theire aboutes , aboutes, so as they or Castlefyn or theire aboutes, aboutes , so as they
should haue all the passages vpon the ryver should haue all the passages vpon the ryver
to Laythfoyle , Laythfoyle, The third I would place about to Laythfoyle, Laythfoyle , The third I would place about
ffermagh Fermagh or Bondruise , Bondroise, so as they might lie Fermagh ffermagh or Bondroise, Bondruise , so as they might lie
betwene Connaugh and Vlster , Vlster, to serue vpon betwene Connaugh and Vlster, Vlster , to serue vpon
both both
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both sydes as occasion shalbe offred , offred, and this therefore both sydes as occasion shalbe offred, offred , and this therefore
would I haue stronger then any of the rest because would I haue stronger then any of the rest because
yt should bee most enforced en forced and most ymployed yt should bee most en forced enforced and most ymployed
and that they might putt wardes at Ballashane Ballashanie, and that they might putt wardes at Ballashanie, Ballashane
Belike and all those passages , passages, The rest would Belike and all those passages, passages , The rest would
I sett about Monnahan , or Bilterbert , Belterbert, so as yt I sett about Monnahan , or Belterbert, Bilterbert , so as yt
should fronte both vpon thenemye then e mye that maye waye should fronte both vpon then e mye thenemye that waye maye
and also kepe the Countie of Cavan and Meath and also kepe the Countie of Cavan and Meath
in awe from passinge of straglers and ougad outgad in awe from passinge of straglers and outgad ougad
ders from those p ar tes whence theyse vse to Come ders from those p ar tes whence theyse vse to Come
forthe and oftentimes worke much mischeif , and mischeif, and forthe and oftentimes worke much mischeif, and mischeif , and
to everie of these garrisons of 2000 footemen I to everie of these garrisons of 2000 footemen I
would haue 200 horsemen added , added, for thone w i th out wthout would haue 200 horsemen added, added , for thone wthout w i th out
thother can doe but little seruice , seruice, The fowre thother can doe but little seruice, seruice , The fowre
garrisons thus beinge placed I would haue garrisons thus beinge placed I would haue
to be victualled aforehand , aforehand, for half a yere to be victualled aforehand, aforehand , for half a yere
w hi ch wch yee will saye to bee hard , hard, considdring wch w hi ch yee will saye to bee hard, hard , considdring
the Corruption and vsuall waste of victual ls victualls the Corruption and vsuall waste of victualls victual ls
But whie should they not ^ as well aswell be victualled for so But whie should they not aswell ^ as well be victualled for so
longe tyme as the shipps are vsuallye for longe tyme as the shipps are vsuallye for
a yeare , yeare, and sometimes twoe seinge yt is easyer to a yeare, yeare , and sometimes twoe seinge yt is easyer to
kepe them on lande , lande, then on water : water: There kepe them on lande, lande , then on water: water : There
bread would I haue in flower , flower, so as yt might bread would I haue in flower, flower , so as yt might
bee baked still to serue theire want , theire ~ want, theire bee baked still to serue theire want, theire want , theire ~
drincke also theire brued w i th wth in them from tyme drincke also theire brued wth w i th in them from tyme
to tyme , tyme, and theire beif before hande barrelled to tyme, tyme , and theire beif before hande barrelled
the w hi ch wch maye bee vsed as yt is needed needed, for I the wch w hi ch maye bee vsed as yt is needed, needed for I
make noe doubte but of fresh victuall they make noe doubte but of fresh victuall they
will some tymes purvey them selues themselues amongst the theire will some tymes purvey themselues them selues amongst theire the
Enemyes Creete Creete: Here vnto would I also haue Enemyes Creete: Creete Here vnto would I also haue
them haue a store of hose and shoes w i th wth such them haue a store of hose and shoes wth w i th such
other necessaries as maye bee needfull for other necessaries as maye bee needfull for
Soldiers Soldiers
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63 63
Soldiers so as they should haue noe occasion to Soldiers so as they should haue noe occasion to
looke for releif relief from obroad , abroad, or occasion such trouble looke for relief releif from abroad, obroad , or occasion such trouble
for theire contynewallie supplie , supplie, as I see and for theire contynewallie supplie, supplie , as I see and
haue often proued in Ireland , Ireland, to be Cumbrous haue often proued in Ireland, Ireland , to be Cumbrous
to the deputie , deputie, and more dangerous to them to the deputie, deputie , and more dangerous to them
that releive them , them, then half the leading that releive them, them , then half the leading
of an Armye , Armye, for thenymie knowinge the of an Armye, Armye , for thenymie knowinge the
ordynarie wayes by w hi ch wch theire releif must ordynarie wayes by wch w hi ch theire releif must
bee brought them , them, vseth comonlie com m onlie to drawe bee brought them, them , vseth com m onlie comonlie to drawe
him self into the straight passages thitherward him self into the straight passages thitherward
and oftentimes doth dangerouslie distresse them ~ , them-, and oftentimes doth dangerouslie distresse them-, them ~ ,
Besydes the praye of such force as should bee Besydes the praye of such force as should bee
sente for theire Convoye , Convoye, the Charge of sente for theire Convoye, Convoye , the Charge of
the Carryages , the .. the Carryages, the OB exactions of the Countie Countrie the Carryages, the OB the Carryages , the .. exactions of the Countrie Countie
shalbe spared , spared, but onelie eu er ie half yeare , yeare, shalbe spared, spared , but onelie eu er ie half yeare, yeare ,
the supplie brought by the deputie him self and the supplie brought by the deputie him self and
his power , power, who shall then vysite and over his power, power , who shall then vysite and over
looke all those garrisons , garrisons, to see what is needed , needed, looke all those garrisons, garrisons , to see what is needed, needed ,
& to change what is expedyent , expedyent, and to dyrecte to & change what is expedyent, expedyent , and to dyrecte
what he shall best aduise , aduise, And these form er what he shall best aduise, aduise , And these form er
garrisons , garrisons, yssuinge forth at such conveniente garrisons, garrisons , yssuinge forth at such conveniente
tymes , tymes, as they shall haue intelligence or tymes, tymes , as they shall haue intelligence or
espyall vpon the Enemye , Enemye, will so driue him espyall vpon the Enemye, Enemye , will so driue him
from one steade to another , another, and tennis him from one steade to another, another , and tennis him
amongst them , them, that he shall fynde the th OB amongst them, them , that he shall fynde th OB the
noe wheare saif to kepe kepe, his Crete nor hyde noe wheare saif to kepe, kepe his Crete nor hyde
him self , self, but flyinge from the fyer shall him self, self , but flyinge from the fyer shall
shall ^ fyell fall f...c fyer into the waters water OB , and out of one danger fyell shall ^ fall fyer f...c into the water OB waters , and out of one danger
into another , another, that in shorte tyme his Creete , Creete, into another, another , that in shorte tyme his Creete, Creete ,
w hi ch wch is his most susteynance , susteynance, shalbe waisted , waisted, wch w hi ch is his most susteynance, susteynance , shalbe waisted, waisted ,
w i th wth prayeing or kylled w i th wth dryving or starued wth w i th prayeing or kylled wth w i th dryving or starued
for wante for wante
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for wante of pasture in the woodes , woodes, and hee him for wante of pasture in the woodes, woodes , and hee him
self brought so lowe , lowe, that he shall haue noe self brought so lowe, lowe , that he shall haue noe
harte nor abillitie to endure his wretchednes the harte nor abillitie to endure his wretchednes the
w hi ch wch will surelie come to passe in verie shorte wch w hi ch will surelie come to passe in verie shorte
space , space, for one winters well followinge of him will space, space , for one winters well followinge of him will
so plucke him on his knees that he will neu er so plucke him on his knees that he will neu er
bee able to stande vpp againe : : againe:: bee able to stande vpp againe:: againe : :
Eudox: Doe yow then thincke the wintertime fittest Eudox: Doe yow then thincke the wintertime fittest
for the seruices of Ireland , Ireland, how falls yt then for the seruices of Ireland, Ireland , how falls yt then
that our most ymployem en t es tes bee in som er mer , and the that our most ymployem en tes t es bee in som mer er , and the
armies then ledd comonlie forth : : com m onlie forth:: armies then ledd com m onlie forth:: comonlie forth : :
Iren: It is surelie misconceyued , misconceyued, for yt is not w i th wth Iren: It is surelie misconceyued, misconceyued , for yt is not wth w i th
Ireland as w i th wth other Countries , Countries, wheare the Ireland as wth w i th other Countries, Countries , wheare the
warrs flame most in Som er mer , and the hel metes ~ - warrs flame most in Som mer er , and the hel metes - ~
glister brightest in the faire sunshine , sunshine, But glister brightest in the faire sunshine, sunshine , But
in Ireland the winter yeildeth best seruices in Ireland the winter yeildeth best seruices
for then the trees are bare and naked , w hi ch naked, wch vse for then the trees are bare and naked, wch naked , w hi ch vse
both to Cloath and howese the kerne , kerne, The both to Cloath and howese the kerne, kerne , The
ground is could and wett w hi ch wch vseth to bee his ground is could and wett wch w hi ch vseth to bee his
beddinge , beddinge, the ayre is sharpe and bytter w hi ch wch beddinge, beddinge , the ayre is sharpe and bytter wch w hi ch
vseth to blowe thorowe his naked sydes and vseth to blowe thorowe his naked sydes and
legges , legges, the kyen are barren and w i th out wthout milke legges, legges , the kyen are barren and wthout w i th out milke
w hi ch wch vseth to bee his onelie foode niether foode, neyther yf wch w hi ch vseth to bee his onelie foode, neyther foode niether yf
he kyll them , them, then will . y they yeild him he kyll them, them , then will y . they yeild him
fleshe , fleshe, nor if hee kepe them will they giue fleshe, fleshe , nor if hee kepe them will they giue
him foode , h im foode, besides then beinge all in calf for h im foode, him foode , besides then beinge all in calf for
the most p ar te they will through much chasing the most p ar te they will through much chasing
and dryving , and dryving, cast all theire calues and loose and dryving, and dryving , cast all theire calues and loose
all theire milke , w hi ch milke, wch should releiue him the all theire milke, wch milke , w hi ch should releiue him the
nexte somer after : som m er after: nexte som m er after: somer after :
Eudox: Eudox : I doe Eudox : Eudox: I doe
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64 Eudox . I doe well vnderstand yor reason but by Eudox . I doe well vnderstand yor reason but by 64
Eudox: I doe well vnderstand yo u r reason but by Eudox: I doe well vnderstand yo u r reason but by
your leaue I haue heard yt otherwise said of some your leaue I haue heard yt otherwise said of some
that weare owtlawes , owtlawes, that in somer they kept that weare owtlawes, owtlawes , that in somer they kept
them selues quiet , quiet, but in wynter they would them selues quiet, quiet , but in wynter they would
playe their theire p ar tes , tes, and when they the nightes were playe theire their p ar tes, tes , and when the they nightes were
longest then burne and spoyle most so that they longest then burne and spoyle most so that they
might safelie saifelie returne before daye : be fore daye:: might saifelie safelie returne be fore daye:: before daye :
Iren: I haue likewise heard and likewise sene Iren: I haue likewise heard and likewise sene
proof thereof trewe , trewe, but that was of such proof thereof trewe, trewe , but that was of such
owtlawes as was eyther abydinge in well owtlawes as was eyther abydinge in well
inhabited countries , countries, as in Mounster all bordringe inhabited countries, countries , as in Mounster all bordringe
to the Englishe pale , pale, as Pheah mac Hugh , the Ma c Hugh, the to the Englishe pale, pale , as Pheah Ma c Hugh, the mac Hugh , the
Cavanaghes , the Mores , Cavanaghes, the Mores, the Dempses the ~~ -- Cavanaghes, the Mores, Cavanaghes , the Mores , the Dempses the -- ~~
Ketinges , Ketinges, the Kellies or such like : ffor like: For for them Ketinges, Ketinges , the Kellies or such like: For like : ffor for them
in deed the night is the fyttest tyme for in deed the night is the fyttest tyme for
spoylinge and robbinge because , because, the nightes are spoylinge and robbinge because, because , the nightes are
then as yee said longest and darkest , and darkest, and then as yee said longest and darkest, and darkest , and
also the Countries all about are then fullest also the Countries all about are then fullest
of Corne and good provision to bee eu er ie where of Corne and good provision to bee eu er ie where
gotten by them , them, But yt is farr otherwise w i th wth gotten by them, them , But yt is farr otherwise wth w i th
a stronge peopled enemye , enemye, that possesse a a stronge peopled enemye, enemye , that possesse a
whole Countrie : ffor thither Countrie: For thother beinge but a fewe whole Countrie: For thother Countrie : ffor thither beinge but a fewe
are indeed privilie lodged and kept in out are indeed privilie lodged and kept in out
villages and Corners nigh the woodes and villages and Corners nigh the woodes and
mountaines by some theire privie friendes frindes to whom mountaines by some theire privie frindes friendes to whom
they bringe theire spoiles and stealthes , and stealthes, and they bringe theire spoiles and stealthes, and stealthes , and
of whom the contynewallie receyve secrete of whom the contynewallie receyve secrete
releif , releif, but the open enemie havinge all his releif, releif , but the open enemie havinge all his
Countrie wasted , wasted, what by him and what by Countrie wasted, wasted , what by him and what by
the soldyer findeth them then succor in noe place , place, the soldyer findeth then them succor in noe place, place ,
Townes Townes
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Townes there are none of w hi ch wch he maye get spoyle , yet spoyle, Townes there are none of wch w hi ch he maye yet spoyle, get spoyle ,
they are all burte burte, Countryes howses and farm er s they are all burte, burte Countryes howses and farm er s
there are none , none, they bee all fledd , fledd, breed he hath there are none, none , they bee all fledd, fledd , breed he hath
none he plowed not in som er , fleshe he hath , hath, but none he plowed not in som er , fleshe he hath, hath , but
yf he kyll yt in winter he shall want milke yf he kyll yt in winter he shall want milke
in somer , som m er, Therefore yf they bee well followed in som m er, somer , Therefore yf they bee well followed
but one winter heye he ye shall want milke in somer but one winter he ye heye shall want milke in somer
haue lyttle worke w i th wth them in the next ^ next som er mer haue lyttle worke wth w i th them in the next next ^ som mer er
Eudox: I doe d oe nowe well p er ceaue the difference , difference, and Eudox: I d oe doe nowe well p er ceaue the difference, difference , and
doe verelie thincke that the winter tyme is theire doe verelie thincke that the winter tyme is theire
fyttest for service , w i th all service, wthall I p er ceaue the mannor fyttest for service, wthall service , w i th all I p er ceaue the mannor
of yo u r yor handlinge thofefthee those thee servyces by drawinge sudden of yor yo u r handlinge those thee thofefthee servyces by drawinge sudden
draughtes vpon the enemye when he loketh lokeths not draughtes vpon the enemye when he lokeths loketh not
for yow , yow, and to watch advantages vpon him as he doth for yow, yow , and to watch advantages vpon him as he doth
vpon yow by w hi ch wch straight keping of them in and vpon yow by wch w hi ch straight keping of them in and
not suffringe them longe at any tyme to rest , rest, not suffringe them longe at any tyme to rest, rest ,
I must needes thincke that they will soone bee I must needes thincke that they will soone bee
brought lowe and dryven to great extreamities : extreamities: brought lowe and dryven to great extreamities: extreamities :
All w hi ch wch when yow haue p er formed and brought All wch w hi ch when yow haue p er formed and brought
them to the verie last cast , suppose cast, suppose, that them to the verie last cast, suppose, cast , suppose that
eyther they will offer to come in vnto yow , yow, and eyther they will offer to come in vnto yow, yow , and
submitte them selues , selues, or that some of them will submitte them selues, selues , or that some of them will
seeke to w i th wth drawe them selues , selues, what is yo u r yor seeke to wth w i th drawe them selues, selues , what is yor yo u r
aduise to doe , doe, will yow haue them receyved : receyved: aduise to doe, doe , will yow haue them receyved: receyved :
Iren: Noe , Noe, but at the begynninge of these warrs warrs, Iren: Noe, Noe , but at the begynninge of these warrs, warrs
and when the garrisons are well planted and and when the garrisons are well planted and
fortefyed , fortefyed, I would wishe a proclamacon proclamac i on weare fortefyed, fortefyed , I would wishe a proclamac i on proclamacon weare
made gen er allie to come to theire knowledge made gen er allie to come to theire knowledge
that what that what
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65 that what p er sons soever would wth in twentye that what p er sons soever would wth in twentye 65
that what p er sons soever would w i th in twentye dayes absolutelie, submite them selues, excepting dayes absolutelie, submite them selues, excepting that what p er sons soever would w i th in twentye
dayes absolutelie , submite them selues excepting onelye the verie princypall and Ringleaders, onelye the verie princypall and Ringleaders, dayes absolutelie , submite them selues excepting
onelye the verie princypall and Ringleaders , should fynde grace, I doubte not but vpon should fynde grace, I doubte not but vpon onelye the verie princypall and Ringleaders ,
should fynde grace , I doubte not but vpon the settinge setlinge of these garrissons, such a the settinge setlinge of these garrissons, such a should fynde grace , I doubte not but vpon
the settingesetlinge of these garrissons , such a the settingesetlinge of these garrissons , such a
terror and nere consideracon of theire terror and nere consideracon of theire
p er illous estate estate, wilbee stricken into most p er illous estate, estate wilbee stricken into most
of them , them, that they will covet to drawe a of them, them , that they will covet to drawe a
waye from theire Leaders Leaders: And againe I waye from theire Leaders: Leaders And againe I
well knowe that the rebells them selues themselues, (as well knowe that the rebells themselues, them selues (as
I sawe by proof in the Desmondes warrs ) warrs) I sawe by proof in the Desmondes warrs) warrs )
will turne awaye all theyre raskall people will turne awaye all theyre raskall people
whom they thincke vnseruiceable , vnseruiceable) as ould men whom they thincke vnseruiceable) vnseruiceable , as ould men
weomen Children and hyndes , w hi ch hyndes, wch they call weomen Children and hyndes, wch hyndes , w hi ch they call
Churles , w hi ch Churles, wch would onelie waste theire Churles, wch Churles , w hi ch would onelie waste theire
victualls , victualls, and yeild them noe ayde but theire victualls, victualls , and yeild them noe ayde but theire
cattle , cattle, they will surelye surely kepe awaye awaye: cattle, cattle , they will surely surelye kepe awaye: awaye
These therefore though pollycie would ~~ -- These therefore though pollycie would -- ~~
turne them backe againe that they might turne them backe againe that they might
the rather consume and effecte afflicte the the rather consume and effecte afflicte the
other rebells rebells, yett in a pittifull Comisseration other rebells, rebells yett in a pittifull Comisseration
I would wishe them to bee receyved the rather I would wishe them to bee receyved the rather
for that this base sorte of people doth not fort for the for that this base sorte of people doth not for fort the
most p ar te Rebell of him self , self, havinge noe harte most p ar te Rebell of him self, self , havinge noe harte
therevnto , therevnto, but is of force force, drawne by the gr..d grand therevnto, therevnto , but is of force, force drawne by the grand gr..d
grand Rebells into theire action , action, and carried grand Rebells into theire action, action , and carried
awaye w i th wth the violence of the streme , streame, ells awaye wth w i th the violence of the streame, streme , ells
he should bee sure to loose all that he hath he should bee sure to loose all that he hath
and p er happs and p er happs
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and p er happs his life also , also, the w hi ch wch now he carrieth w i th wth them in hope to to.. and p er happs his life also, also , the wch w hi ch now he carrieth wth w i th them in hope to.. to
enioye them there, but he is thereby there , by the stronge Rebells them selues sone themselues soone enioye them there, there by , but he is thereby the stronge Rebells themselues soone them selues sone
turned out of all , all, so that the constrant hereof maye in him deser ve deserue turned out of all, all , so that the constrant hereof maye in him deserue deser ve
p ar don , don, likewise yf any of there able men or gent lemen , shall then offer p ar don, don , likewise yf any of there able men or gent lemen , shall then offer
to come awaye and to bringe there Creete w i th them , wth them, as some to come awaye and to bringe there Creete wth them, w i th them , as some
noe doubte maye steale them awaye p ri vilie I wish them noe doubte maye steale them awaye p ri vilie I wish them
also to bee dishabled receyved for the dishablinge of the Enymie Enymie: also to bee dishabled receyved for the dishablinge of the Enymie: Enymie
But w i th all wthall that good assurance maye bee taken for theire But wthall w i th all that good assurance maye bee taken for theire
trewe behavyor and absolute submission , submission, and that they the n then trewe behavyor and absolute submission, submission , and that they then the n
bee not suffred to remaine any longer in those p ar tes , tes, noe nor bee not suffred to remaine any longer in those p ar tes, tes , noe nor
aboute the garrison , aboutes the garrison, but sent awaye into the Inner p ar tes of aboutes the garrison, aboute the garrison , but sent awaye into the Inner p ar tes of
the Realme and disp er sed in such sorte as they shall not come the Realme and disp er sed in such sorte as they shall not come
togeather togeather, nor easelie returne yf they would , ffor yf they would, For yf they togeather, togeather nor easelie returne yf they would, For yf they would , ffor yf they
might bee suffred to remaine aboute the garrison garrison, and there might bee suffred to remaine aboute the garrison, garrison and there
inhabite as they will offer : offer: and of to till the ground and inhabite as they will offer: offer : and of to till the ground and
yeild a greate agreate p ar te of the p ro fitte thereof , thereof, and of their there Cattell yeild agreate a greate p ar te of the p ro fitte thereof, thereof , and of there their Cattell
to the Corronell wherew i th wherewth they haue heretofore tempted manie to the Corronell wherewth wherew i th they haue heretofore tempted manie
they would (as I haue by experience knowen ) knowen) bee everr after they would (as I haue by experience knowen) knowen ) bee everr after
such a gall and inconvenience to them , them, as that there p er ro fitte such a gall and inconvenience to them, them , as that there p ro er fitte
should not recompence there harte , hurte, for they will p ri vilie should not recompence there hurte, harte , for they will p ri vilie
releive there frindes that are forth forth, they will send the Ene mie enemy releive there frindes that are forth, forth they will send the enemy Ene mie
secrete advertism advertisem en t of all there purposes & Iorneys w hi ch wch they secrete advertisem advertism en t of all there purposes & Iorneys wch w hi ch they
meane to make vpon them , them, they will also not sticke to dra we draw e meane to make vpon them, them , they will also not sticke to draw e dra we
the enemye vpon them , them, yee and to betraye the forte yt the enemye vpon them, them , yee and to betraye the forte yt
self , self, by discoverie of all the defectes and disadvantages self, self , by discoverie of all the defectes and disadvantages
yf any bee , bee, to the Cuttinge of all there throtes : ffor throtes: For yf any bee, bee , to the Cuttinge of all there throtes: For throtes : ffor
avoydinge whereof and many other inconveniences , inconveniences, I wish avoydinge whereof and many other inconveniences, inconveniences , I wish
t y theye should bee carried farr from thence into some other þ a t y theye should bee carried farr from thence into some other
p ar tes , tes, so that as I said they come and submitt themselues them selues p ar tes, tes , so that as I said they come and submitt them selues themselues
vpon the first sommons , sommons, but afterwardes I would haue none vpon the first sommons, sommons , but afterwardes I would haue none
receyved , receyved, but lefte to theire fortune and miserable ende , ende, my receyved, receyved , but lefte to theire fortune and miserable ende, ende , my
reason as : i th out s: for that those w hi ch afterwardes , wch afterwardes, remaine w wthout reason as : for that those wch afterwardes, w hi ch afterwardes , remaine wthout w i s: th out
are stoute and obstynate Rebells , Rebells, such as will never bee are stoute and obstynate Rebells, Rebells , such as will never bee
made duetifull and obedyent , nor obedyent, not brought to labor , labor, or civ ill civill made duetifull and obedyent, not obedyent , nor brought to labor, labor , or civill civ ill
Conversacion Conversacion
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66 conversac i on, havinge once tasted the lycensius lyfe, and beinge conversac i on, havinge once tasted the lycensius lyfe, and beinge 66
conversacon , havinge once tasted the lycensius lyfe , acquainted wth spoyle and beinge outrages, will neu er after bee redy acquainted wth spoyle conversacon , havinge once tasted the lycensius lyfe , and outrages, will neu er after bee redy beinge
after bee redy for the like occasions, so as theire is noe hope of theire acquainted w i th spoyle and outrages , will neu er after for the like occasions, so as theire is noe hope of theire bee redy
a ster for the like occasions ; so as theire is noe hope of theire amendement or recou er ye, and there full needfull to bee cutt of: amendement or recou er ye, and there full needfull to bee cutt of: a ster for the like occasions ; so as theire is noe hope of theire
amendement or recou er ye , and there full needfull to bee cutt of : amendement or recou er ye , and there full needfull to bee cutt of :
Eudox: Surelie of such desp er ate p er sons as willfullie followe Eudox: Surelie of such desp er ate p er sons as willfullie followe
the course of there owne follye , follye, there is no compassion the course of there owne follye, follye , there is no compassion
to bee had , had, and for the others yee haue proposed a mercifull meanes meanes, to bee had, had , and for the others yee haue proposed a mercifull meanes, meanes
much more then they haue deserued , deserued, but what shalbe the much more then they haue deserued, deserued , but what shalbe the
conclusion of this warr , warr, for yow haue p re fixed a shorte tyme conclusion of this warr, warr , for yow haue p re fixed a shorte tyme
of theire contynewance : : contynewance:: of theire contynewance:: contynewance : :
Iren: The end I assure mee will bee verie shorte and much Iren: The end I assure mee will bee verie shorte and much
soner then can bee in so great a trouble atrouble (as yt semeth hoped soner then can bee in so great atrouble a trouble (as yt semeth hoped
for ) for. Although there should none of them them, fall by the for. for ) Although there should none of them, them fall by the
sworde , sworde, nor be slaine by the soldyer , soldyer, yet thus beinge kepte sworde, sworde , nor be slaine by the soldyer, soldyer , yet thus beinge kepte
from manvrance from manvrance, and there cattle from runninge abroad from manvrance, from manvrance and there cattle from runninge abroad
by this hard restrainte they would quicklie consume them by this hard restrainte they would quicklie consume them
selues and devoure one another , another, Thee proof whereof I selues and devoure one another, another , Thee proof whereof I
sawe suffycientlie ensampled in those late warrs in sawe suffycientlie ensampled in those late warrs in
Mounster , Mounster, for not w i th wth standinge that the same was a most Mounster, Mounster , for not wth w i th standinge that the same was a most
ritch and plentifull Countrye , Countrye, full of Corne and Cattell ritch and plentifull Countrye, Countrye , full of Corne and Cattell
that yow would haue thought they would haue bene that yow would haue thought they would haue bene
hable to stande longe , longe, yett err one yeare and a half , half, they hable to stande longe, longe , yett err one yeare and a half, half , they
were brought to such wretchednes , wretchednes, as that any stonie harte were brought to such wretchednes, wretchednes , as that any stonie harte
would haue rewed the same , same, out of eu er ie Corner of the would haue rewed the same, same , out of eu er ie Corner of the
woodes & glenes glenns they came crepinge forth vpon theire woodes & glenns glenes they came crepinge forth vpon theire
hands handes, for theire legges legges, could not beare them , them, out of eu er ye handes, hands for theire legges, legges could not beare them, them , out of eu er ye
corn er of the woodes they looked Anotomies of death , they death, they corn er of the woodes they looked Anotomies of death, they death , they
speake spake like ghostes cryinge out of theire graues , graues, they spake speake like ghostes cryinge out of theire graues, graues , they
did eate of the ded Carrions , dead Carrions, happye were they did eate of the dead Carrions, ded Carrions , happye were they
could fynde them , them, yea and one another soone after could fynde them, them , yea and one another soone after
in so much as the verie Carcases they spared not to ~ - in so much as the verie Carcases they spared not to - ~
scrape out of theire graues , graues, And yf they founde scrape out of theire graues, graues , And yf they founde
a plott of watercresses or shamrocke , shamrockes, they they flocked as a plott of watercresses or shamrockes, shamrocke , they they flocked as
to a feast : to a feast :
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for to a feast for the tyme , tyme, yet not able longe to contynewe for to a feast for the tyme, tyme , yet not able longe to contynewe
therew i th all , therewthall, that in shorte space there were more and most none almost left therewthall, therew i th all , that in shorte space there were none almost more and most left
and a most populous and plentyfull Countrye suddenlie lefte and a most populous and plentyfull Countrye suddenlie lefte
voyde of man or beast , beast, yet sure in all that warr there voyde of man or beast, beast , yet sure in all that warr there
p er ished not manye by the sworde , sworde, but all by the extremitye p er ished not manye by the sworde, sworde , but all by the extremitye
of famyne w hi ch famyne, wch they them selues had wrought :: wrought:: of famyne, wch famyne w hi ch they them selues had wrought:: wrought ::
Eudox: Yt is wonder þ a y t yow tell , tell, and more to be woundred Eudox: Yt is wonder y þ a t yow tell, tell , and more to be woundred
how yt should come to passe : passe: how yt should come to passe: passe :
Iren: It is most true , true, and the reason also verye readye readye: for Iren: It is most true, true , and the reason also verye readye: readye for
yee must conceyve that the strength of all that Nation is yee must conceyve that the strength of all that Nation is
the Kearne Gallowglasse , Stocagh Kearne, Gallowglasse, Stocagh, horsman and horseboy , horseboy, the Kearne, Gallowglasse, Stocagh, Kearne Gallowglasse , Stocagh horsman and horseboy, horseboy ,
the w hi ch wch havinge bene neu er vsed to haue any theinge thinge of theire the wch w hi ch havinge bene neu er vsed to haue any thinge theinge of theire
owne , owne, and now lyvinge vpon spoyle of others , others, make noe owne, owne , and now lyvinge vpon spoyle of others, others , make noe
spare of any thinge , thinge, but havocke and confusyon of all spare of any thinge, thinge , but havocke and confusyon of all
they meete w i th , whether wth, whether, yt bee theire owne frindes good goodes they meete wth, whether, w i th , whether yt bee theire owne frindes goodes good
or theire foes , foes, And yf they happen to gett neu er so great or theire foes, foes , And yf they happen to gett neu er so great
spoyles at any tyme the same they spoyle and waste at spoyles at any tyme the same they spoyle and waste at
a tryce , atryce, as naturallye delightinge in spoyle , spoyle, though yt atryce, a tryce , as naturallye delightinge in spoyle, spoyle , though yt
doe them selues noe good , good, And on theother thother syde what soever doe them selues noe good, good , And on thother theother syde what soever
they leaue vnspent , vnspent, the soldyer when he comethe there they leaue vnspent, vnspent , the soldyer when he comethe there
he havokethe and spoylethe lykewise , lykewise, so that betwene he havokethe and spoylethe lykewise, lykewise , so that betwene
them both nothinge is verie shortlie left , left, And yet this them both nothinge is verie shortlie left, left , And yet this
is verie necessarie to bee done , done, for the soone fyni is verie necessarie to bee done, done , for the soone fyni
shinge of the warr , warr, And not onelye this in this wyse shinge of the warr, warr , And not onelye this in this wyse
but also all those subiectes w hi ch wch border vpon those p ar tes but also all those subiectes wch w hi ch border vpon those p ar tes
are eyther to bee removed and drawen awaye or ~ - are eyther to bee removed and drawen awaye or - ~
lykewise to bee spoyled , spoyled, that the enemye may lykewise to bee spoyled, spoyled , that the enemye may
fynde noe succor thereby , thereby, for what the fynde noe succor thereby, thereby , for what the
Soldyer spares the Rebell wyll surely Soldyer spares the Rebell wyll surely
surely surelye spoyle surelye surely spoyle
Eudox: Eudox:: I doe Eudox:: Eudox: I doe
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67 warr and not onelie this in this wise, but also all these warr and not onelie this in this wise, but also all these 67
warr and not onelie this in this wise , but also all these subiectes wch border vpon those p ar tes are eyther to bee remoued subiectes wch border vpon those p ar tes are eyther to bee remoued warr and not onelie this in this wise , but also all these
subiectes w hi ch border vpon those p ar tes are eyther and drawne awaye, or lykewise to bee remoued spoyled, that the and drawne awaye, or lykewise subiectes w hi ch border vpon those p ar tes are eyther to bee spoyled, that the remoued
and drawne awaye or lyke wise to bee spoyled that Enemye maye fynde noe succor thereby, for what the Enemye maye fynde noe succor thereby, for what and drawne awaye or lyke wise to bee spoyled that the
Enemye maye fynde noe succor thereby for what soldyer spares, the Rebell will surelie spoyle: soldyer spares, Enemye maye fynde noe succor thereby for what the Rebell will surelie spoyle:
soldyer spares , the Rebell will surelie spoyle: Eudox: I doe now well vnderstande yow But now when Eudox: I doe now well vnderstande yow But now when soldyer spares , the Rebell will surelie spoyle:
Eudox : I doe now well vnderstand yow But now when all thinges are brought to this passe, and all - all thinges are brought to this passe, and all - Eudox : I doe now well vnderstand yow But now when
all thinges are brought to this passe , and all ~ fylled wth these ruefull spectacles, of so manye fylled wth these ruefull spectacles, of so manye all thinges are brought to this passe , and all ~
fylled w i th the . willfull spectacles of so mannye wretched carcases, starvinge goodlie Countries, wretched carcases, starvinge goodlie Countries, fylled w i th the . willfull spectacles of so mannye
wretched carcases , starvinge goodlie Countries , wasted so Huge a desolacon, and confusion, as even wasted so Huge a desolacon, and confusion, as even wretched carcases , starvinge goodlie Countries ,
wasted so huge a desolacon I that doe but heare yt from yow and confusion , as even doe picture yt I that doe but heare yt from yow wasted so huge a desolacon and doe picture yt confusion , as even
I that doe but heare yt from yow in my mynde, doe greatlie pittie and doe picture yt comisserate in my mynde, doe greatlie pittie I that doe but heare yt from yow and comisserate doe picture yt
in my mynde doe greatelie pittie and comisserate itt, yf yt shall happen that the state of this miserie itt, yf yt shall happen that the state of this miserie in my mynde doe greatelie pittie and comisserate
itt , yf yt shall happen that the state and, and lamentable image of this miserie thinges shalbe told and, and lamentable image itt , yf yt shall happen that the state of thinges shalbe told this miserie
and and lamentable image of thinges shalbe told and felingelie p re sented to her sacred ma jes tie , beinge and felingelie p re sented to her sacred ma jes tie , beinge and and lamentable image of thinges shalbe told
by nature full of m er cie, and felingelie p re sented to her sacred ma jes tie beinge clemencye, who is and clemencye, who is felingelie p re sented to her sacred ma jes tie beinge
by nature full of m er cie most inclynable to such pittyfull complaintes, and clemencie , who is most inclynable to such pittyfull complaintes, by nature full of m er cie and clemencie , who is
most inclynable to such pittyfull complaintes , and most inclynable to such pittyfull complaintes , and
will not endure to heare such Tragedyes made will not endure to heare such Tragedyes made
of her people and poore subiectes , subiectes, as some about of her people and poore subiectes, subiectes , as some about
her maie insynuate , insynuate, then shee perhapps p er happs for verie her maie insynuate, insynuate , then shee p er happs perhapps for verie
compassion of such calamities Calamities, will not onelie stopp compassion of such Calamities, calamities will not onelie stopp
the streame of such vyolence , vyolence, and retourne to her the streame of such vyolence, vyolence , and retourne to her
wonted myldnes , wounted myldnes, but also con them lyttle thankes wounted myldnes, wonted myldnes , but also con them lyttle thankes
w hi ch wch haue bene the aucthors and Counsellors of such wch w hi ch haue bene the aucthors and Counsellors of such
bloodye platformes : platformes: So I remember yt in the late bloodye platformes: platformes : So I remember yt in the late
gou er ern m en t of that good Lord Graye , Lord, Graye, where after longe gou ern er m en t of that good Lord, Graye, Lord Graye , where after longe
travell , travell, and manye p er illous assayes he had travell, travell , and manye p er illous assayes he had
brought thinges almost to this passe that yee brought thinges almost to this passe that yee
speeke of, that yt was even made readye for speeke of, that yt was even made readye for
reformacon reformac i on, and might haue bene brought to what reformac i on, reformacon and might haue bene brought to what
her ma jes tie would , would, lyke complainte was made her ma jes tie would, would , lyke complainte was made
against him , him, that he was a bloodye man abloodye man: against him, him , that he was abloodye man: a bloodye man
and and
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and regarded not the lyfe of her subiectes , subiectes, noe more and regarded not the lyfe of her subiectes, subiectes , noe more
then dogges , dogges, but had wasted and consumed all , all, so as now then dogges, dogges , but had wasted and consumed all, all , so as now
shee had nothing lefte but to raigne in theire Ashes : Ashes: shee had nothing lefte but to raigne in theire Ashes: Ashes :
Eare , Eare, was soone lente therevnto , therevnto, all suddenlie turned Eare, Eare , was soone lente therevnto, therevnto , all suddenlie turned
topsye turvye , he turvye, He noble Lord eftsoones eftesoones was blamed blamed, topsye turvye, He turvye , he noble Lord eftesoones eftsoones was blamed, blamed
the wretched people pittied , pittied, and newe Counsells the wretched people pittied, pittied , and newe Counsells
plotted , plotted, in w hi ch wch yt was concluded that a gen agen er all pardon plotted, plotted , in wch w hi ch yt was concluded that agen a gen er all pardon
should bee sente over ^ to all that would accepte of yt yt: should bee sente over ^ to all that would accepte of yt: yt
vpon w hi ch wch all form er purposes were blanked , blanked, the gou er nor vpon wch w hi ch all form er purposes were blanked, blanked , the gou er nor
at abaye , abaye, and not onelie all that greate and long at abaye, abaye , and not onelie all that greate and long
charge w hi ch wch shee had before bene at quite lost and charge wch w hi ch shee had before bene at quite lost and
cancelled , cancelled, but also all that hope of good w hi ch wch cancelled, cancelled , but also all that hope of good wch w hi ch
was even ^ at the dore putt backe at the and cleane frustra te frustrate was even ^ at the dore putt backe at the and cleane frustrate frustra te
All w hi ch wch whether yt bee trewe or noe yo u r yor All wch w hi ch whether yt bee trewe or noe yor yo u r
self can well tell : self can well tell :
Iren: To trewe Eudox: Eudox : ffor the more the pittie pittie: For I Iren: To trewe Eudox Eudox: the more the pittie: For pittie : ffor I
maye not forgett so memorable a thinge , thinge, neyther can maye not forgett so memorable a thinge, thinge , neyther can
I be ignorante of that p er illous deuise . and of the I be ignorante of that p er illous deuise . and of the
whole meanes by w hi ch wch yt was compassed , compassed, and verie whole meanes by wch w hi ch yt was compassed, compassed , and verie
Cvnningelie contriued , contriued, by sowinge first dyssension Cvnningelie contriued, contriued , by sowinge first dyssension
betwene him and another noble p er sonage , sonage, wherein betwene him and another noble p er sonage, sonage , wherein
they both at length found , found, how notablie they had they both at length found, found , how notablie they had
bene absued , abused, and how thereby vnderhand , vnderhand, this vni bene abused, absued , and how thereby vnderhand, vnderhand , this vni
u er sall alteracyon of thinges was brought about , about, u er sall alteracyon of thinges was brought about, about ,
But then to late to staye the same : ffor same: For in the But then to late to staye the same: For same : ffor in the
meane tyme all that was form er lie doon w i th doen wth meane tyme all that was form er lie doen wth doon w i th
longe labour and greate toyle was (as yow say) saye longe labour and greate toyle was (as yow saye say)
in a moment vndone , vndone, and that good Lo: blotted in a moment vndone, vndone , and that good Lo: blotted
w i th wth the name of a bloodye man , abloodye man, whom who wth w i th the name of abloodye man, a bloodye man , whom who
that well knowe , knewe, knewe to bee most gentle , gentle, that well knewe, knowe , knewe to bee most gentle, gentle ,
affable lovinge and temp er ate , ate, But that the affable lovinge and temp er ate, ate , But that the
necessitie of that p re sent state of thinges necessitie of that p re sent state of thinges
enforced enforced
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68 enforced him to that violence, and almost changed enforced him to that violence, and almost changed 68
enforced him to that violence , and almost changed his verie naturall disposition, but otherwise his verie naturall disposition, but otherwise enforced him to that violence , and almost changed
his verie naturall disposition , but otherwise he was so farr from delightinge in blood, that often he was so farr from delightinge in blood, that often his verie naturall disposition , but otherwise
he was so farr from delightinge in blood , that often he was so farr from delightinge in blood , that often
tymes he suffred not iust vengeance to fall where tymes he suffred not iust vengeance to fall where
yt was deserued , deserued, and even some of those w hi ch wch were yt was deserued, deserued , and even some of those wch w hi ch were
aftorwardes his accusers . afterwardes his accusers. But his coarse course in afterwardes his accusers. aftorwardes his accusers . But his course coarse in
deed . OB was this that he spared not heades and deed OB . was this that he spared not heades and
princypalls of any mischevous practize or rebellion rebellion, princypalls of any mischevous practize or rebellion, rebellion
but shewed showed sharpe iudgment on them , cheiflie them, cheiflie, for but showed shewed sharpe iudgment on them, cheiflie, them , cheiflie for
ensample sake , sake, that all the meaner sort , w hi ch sorte, wch ensample sake, sake , that all the meaner sorte, wch sort , w hi ch
also were then gen er allye infected w i th wth that evill also were then gen er allye infected wth w i th that evill
might by terror thereof bee reclamed and saved saved, might by terror thereof bee reclamed and saved, saved
yf yt were manye more guiltie then that felt yf yt were manye more guiltie then that felt
the punishment , punishment, or was there any almost cleare the punishment, punishment , or was there any almost cleare
from the same , same, yet he touched onelye a fewe of from the same, same , yet he touched onelye a fewe of
specyall note , note, and in the tryall of them also even specyall note, note , and in the tryall of them also even
to p re vent the blame of creltie crueltie and parciall partiall to p re vent the blame of crueltie creltie and partiall parciall
p ro cedinge , cedinge, as sekinge theire bloode , w hi ch bloode, wch hee in his p ro cedinge, cedinge , as sekinge theire bloode, wch bloode , w hi ch hee in his
greate wisdome wisdome, (as yt semeth ) semeth) did foresee greate wisdome, wisdome (as yt semeth) semeth ) did foresee
would bee obiected against him , him, he for avoyding would bee obiected against him, him , he for avoyding
thereof did vse a singuler discression discr OB e ssion and regarde thereof did vse a singuler discr OB e ssion discression and regarde
for the Iurie that went vpon theire tryall , tryall, he ~ - for the Iurie that went vpon theire tryall, tryall , he - ~
made to bee chosen out of theire nearest kynsmen kynsmen, made to bee chosen out of theire nearest kynsmen, kynsmen
and theire Iudges he made , fo made, of some theire ~ - and theire Iudges he made, of made , fo some theire - ~
owne fathers fathers, of others their vncles , theire vncles, and owne fathers, fathers of others theire vncles, their vncles , and
dearest freindes freindes, who when they could not dearest freindes, freindes who when they could not
but iustlie condempne condemp ne e them , them, yett vttered theire but iustlie condemp ne condempne e them, them , yett vttered theire
Iudgm en t in aboundance of teares , teares, and yet he Iudgm en t in aboundance of teares, teares , and yet he
even herein was counted bloodye and Crewell Crewell: even herein was counted bloodye and Crewell: Crewell
Eudox: Indeed so haue I harde yt often so spoken Eudox: Indeed so haue I harde yt often so spoken
and I p er ceaue (as I thincke alwaies verelie and I p er ceaue (as I thincke alwaies verelie
thought thought
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thought ) thought) that yt was most vniustlie : ffor vniustlie: For he was thought) thought ) that yt was most vniustlie: For vniustlie : ffor he was
alwayes knowen to bee a most iust sincere godlie and alwayes knowen to bee a most iust sincere godlie and
right noble man , f..r man, f OB far from such stern stearnesse , far stearnesse, far right noble man, f OB man , f..r far from such stern stearnesse, far stearnesse , far
from such vnrighteousnes , vnrighteousnes, But in that sharpe from such vnrighteousnes, vnrighteousnes , But in that sharpe
execution of the Spanyardes at the forte execution of the Spanyardes at the forte
of Senawicke , Senawicke, I heard yt specialtie noted , speciallie noted, and of Senawicke, Senawicke , I heard yt speciallie noted, specialtie noted , and
yf yt were trewe , trewe, as some reported . reported, surelie yf yt were trewe, trewe , as some reported, reported . surelie
yt was a great agreat touch to him in honor : ffor honor: For yt was agreat a great touch to him in honor: For honor : ffor
some saye that he promised them lyfe , lyfe, others some saye that he promised them lyfe, lyfe , others
that at least he did putt them in hope thereof that at least he did putt them in hope thereof
Iren: Both the one and the other is most vntrue , vntrue, Iren: Both the one and the other is most vntrue, vntrue ,
for this I can assure yow , myself yow, my self beinge as for this I can assure yow, my self yow , myself beinge as
neare them then as anye anye, that he was so farr from neare then them as anye, anye that he was so farr from
promisinge or puttinge in hope hope, that when first promisinge or puttinge in hope, hope that when first
theire secretarie called as I remember Segnor theire secretarie called as I remember Segnor
Ieffrey an Italian beinge sente to treate w i th wth Ieffrey an Italian beinge sente to treate wth w i th
the Lorde deputie for grace , grace, was flatlye the Lorde deputie for grace, grace , was flatlye
refused , refuised, and afterwardes theire Coronell refuised, refused , and afterwardes theire Coronell
named Don Sebastian Sebastian: came forth to entreate named Don Sebastian: Sebastian came forth to entreate
that they might p ar te w i th wth theire armors like that they might p ar te wth w i th theire armors like
soldyers at least w i th wth theire lyves lyves, according soldyers at least wth w i th theire lyves, lyves according
to the Custome of warr and lawe of nacons nacons, to the Custome of warr and lawe of nacons, nacons
yt was strongelie denyed him , him, and told him by yt was strongelie denyed him, him , and told him by
the Lord deputie Deputie him self , self, that they could not the Lord Deputie deputie him self, self , that they could not
iustlie pleade eyther Custome of warr or law lawe iustlie pleade eyther Custome of warr or lawe law
of nations , nations, for that they were not any lawfull of nations, nations , for that they were not any lawfull
Enemies , Enemies, and yf they were , were, willed them to shew shewe Enemies, Enemies , and yf they were, were , willed them to shewe shew
by what Comission they came thither into ~ - by what Comission they came thither into - ~
Another Princes Dominions , Dominions, to warr , warr, whether Another Princes Dominions, Dominions , to warr, warr , whether
from the pope or the King of Spaine , Spaine, or any from the pope or the King of Spaine, Spaine , or any
other they then the hen when they said they had not but other the hen they then when they said they had not but
were onelie adventurers , adventurers, that came to seeke were onelie adventurers, adventurers , that came to seeke
fortune fortune
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69 fortune abroad and serue in warrs, amongst the Irish fortune abroad and serue in warrs, amongst the Irish 69
fortune abroad and serue in warrs , amongst the Irish who desyred to entertaine them, yt was then tould who desyred to entertaine them, yt was then tould fortune abroad and serue in warrs , amongst the Irish
who desyred to entertaine them , yt was then tould them that the Irishe them selues, as the Earle them that the Irishe them selues, as the Earle who desyred to entertaine them , yt was then tould
them that they Irishe them selues , as and John of Desmond wth the Earle rest were noe and John of Desmond wth them that they Irishe them selues , as the rest were noe Earle
lawfull Enemies, but rebells and Iohn of Desmond w i th the rest were noe trators, and- and trators, and- Iohn of Desmond w i th the rest were noe
lawfull Enemies , but rebells and trators , and ~ there fore they that came to succor them noe better there fore they that came to succor them noe better lawfull Enemies , but rebells and trators , and ~
therefore they that came to succor them noe better then roges and Runnagates, speciallye com m inge then roges and Runnagates, speciallye com m inge therefore they that came to succor them noe better
then roges and Runnagates , speciallye cominge wth noe lycence nor Commission from theire owne wth noe lycence nor Commission from theire owne then roges and Runnagates , speciallye cominge
w i th noe lycence nor Commission from theire owne Kinge, so as yt should be dishonorable for him in Kinge, so as yt should be dishonorable for him in w i th noe lycence nor Commission from theire owne
Kinge , so as yt should be dishonorable for him in Kinge , so as yt should be dishonorable for him in
the name of his Quene to Condycon or make the name of his Quene to Condycon or make
any treaties w i th tearmes wth such raskalls : raskalls: but leste lefte them any tearmes wth treaties w i th such raskalls: raskalls : but lefte leste them
to theire choyce to yeild and submitte them to theire choyce to yeild and submitte them
selues or noe , where vpon noe, wherevpon the said Cornoell Coronell selues or noe, wherevpon noe , where vpon the said Coronell Cornoell
did absolutelie yeild him self , self, and the sorte forte did absolutelie yeild him self, self , and the forte sorte
w i thall therein , wthall therein, and Craved onelye m er cye , w hi ch cye, wch wthall therein, w i thall therein , and Craved onelye m er cye, wch cye , w hi ch
yt beinge thought good not to showe them , them, both yt beinge thought good not to showe them, them , both
for danger of them selues , selues, yf beinge saved , saved, they for danger of them selues, selues , yf beinge saved, saved , they
should afterwardes ioyne w i th wth the Irishe , Irishe, and should afterwardes ioyne wth w i th the Irishe, Irishe , and
also for terror of the Irishe Irishe, who were much embold also for terror of the Irishe, Irishe who were much embold
ned by those forreine succors , succors, and also putt in hope ned by those forreine succors, succors , and also putt in hope
of moe ere longe , longe, theire was noe other waye of moe ere longe, longe , theire was noe other waye
but to make that shorte ende of them w hi ch wch was but to make that shorte ende of them wch w hi ch was
made , made, Therefore most vntrewlie and malycio made, made , Therefore most vntrewlie and malycio
uslie doe these evill tonges backbyte back byte and slander slandor uslie doe these evill tonges back byte backbyte and slandor slander
the sacred ashes of that most iust and honorable the sacred ashes of that most iust and honorable
p er sonage , sonage, whose least vertue of manye most p er sonage, sonage , whose least vertue of manye most
excellent w hi ch wch abounded in his heroicke spirite , spirite, excellent wch w hi ch abounded in his heroicke spirite, spirite ,
they were never able to aspyer vnto :: a spyer vnto:: they were never able to a spyer vnto:: aspyer vnto ::
Eudox Eudox: Trewlie Iren: Iren : I am right gladd to bee Eudox: Eudox Trewlie Iren : Iren: I am right gladd to bee
this thus satisfyed by yow in that I haue often heard thus this satisfyed by yow in that I haue often heard
questyoned , questyoned, and yett was neu er able till now , now, to questyoned, questyoned , and yett was neu er able till now, now , to
choke the mouth of such detractors w i th the wth the choke the mouth of such detractors wth the w i th the
certaine certaine
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certaine knowledge of theire slanderous vntruthes certaine knowledge of theire slanderous vntruthes
Neither is the knowledge thereof in im p er tinent to Neither is the knowledge thereof im in p er tinent to
that w hi ch wch wee form er lie had in hand I meane to that wch w hi ch wee form er lie had in hand I meane to
the through p er secutinge of that sharpe course w hi ch wch the through p er secutinge of that sharpe course wch w hi ch
yee haue sett downe , downe, for the bringinge vnder yee haue sett downe, downe , for the bringinge vnder
of those Rebells of Vlster and Connaught and Connaght and of those Rebells of Vlster and Connaght and Connaught and
P p re paringe awaye a waye to theire perpetuall reformco reformaco n p P re paringe a waye awaye to theire perpetuall reformaco reformco n
least happelie by any such synister suggestyons least happelie by any such synister suggestyons
of creweltie , creweltie, and to much blood shedd all the of creweltie, creweltie , and to much blood shedd all the
plott might bee over throwen , throwen, and all the rest cost plott might bee over throwen, throwen , and all the cost rest
and Labour therein there in employed bee vtterlie lost and and Labour there in therein employed bee vtterlie lost and
cast awaye : awaye: cast awaye: awaye :
Iren: Yee saye most trewe , trewe, for after that Lorde ~ Lordes - Iren: Yee saye most trewe, trewe , for after that Lordes - Lorde ~
callinge awaye from thence the too lorde Iusticis lordes Iustices callinge awaye from thence the too lordes Iustices lorde Iusticis
Contynewed but a while , while, of w hi ch wch the one was Contynewed but a while, while , of wch w hi ch the one was
of mynde as yt seamed to haue contynewed in of mynde as yt seamed to haue contynewed in
thee footinge of his p re dycessor , dycessor, but that hee thee footinge of his p re dycessor, dycessor , but that hee
was curbed and restrayned , restrayned, but the other was was curbed and restrayned, restrayned , but the other was
more myldlie disposed , disposed, as was meete for his more myldlie disposed, disposed , as was meete for his
profession , profession, and willinge to haue all the woundes profession, profession , and willinge to haue all the woundes
of that comon com m on wealth healed and recured , recured, but of that com m on comon wealth healed and recured, recured , but
not w i th wth the heade as they should bee , bee, After not wth w i th the heade as they should bee, bee , After
whom S i r Iohn Parrott succedinge as yt were whom S i r Iohn Parrott succedinge as yt were
into another mans harvest , harvest, found an open waye into another mans harvest, harvest , found an open waye
to what course he list the w hi ch wch hee bent into not to what course he list the wch w hi ch hee bent not into
to that pointe w hi ch wch the form er gou er nors intended , intended, but to that pointe wch w hi ch the form er gou er nors intended, intended , but
rather , rather, quite contrarie as yt were in scorne of rather, rather , quite contrarie as yt were in scorne of
the form er , and in a vayne avayne vaunte of his owne - the form er , and in avayne a vayne vaunte of his owne -
Counsells w i th wth that w hi ch wch hee was to wilfullie Counsells wth w i th that wch w hi ch hee was to wilfullie
carried , carried, for hee did tr t r eade downe and disgrace carried, carried , for hee did t r tr eade downe and disgrace
all the all the
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70 all the Englishe, and sett vpp and countenance the Irish all all the Englishe, and sett vpp and countenance the Irish all 70
all the Englishe , and sett vpp and countenance the Irish all that he could, whether thinckinge thereby to make them that he could, whether thinckinge thereby to make them all the Englishe , and sett vpp and countenance the Irish all
that more tractable and buxome to make them his gou ern ment, wherein he could , whether thinckinge thereby more tractable and buxome that he could , whether thinckinge thereby to his gou ern ment, wherein make them
more tractable and buxome to his gou er ment , wherein he thought much amisse, or privilie plottinge some other thought much amisse, or privilie plottinge some other more tractable and buxome to his gou er ment , wherein he
thought much amisse , or privilie plottinge some other purposes of his owne, as yt p ar telie afterwardes appeared purposes of his owne, as yt p ar telie afterwardes appeared thought much amisse , or privilie plottinge some other
purposes But surelie his owne , as yt p mann er telie afterwardes appeared of gou ern ment could not bee sound nor But surelie purposes of gou ern ment could not bee sound nor his mann owne , as yt p er telie afterwardes appeared
But surelie his mann er of gou er ment could not be sound nor holesome, for that realme; beinge so contrarie to the form er : holesome, for that realme; beinge so contrarie to the form er : But surelie his mann er of gou er ment could not be sound nor
holesome , for that realme , beinge so contrarie to the form er : holesome , for that realme , beinge so contrarie to the form er :
for yt was even as too Phisitions should take one for yt was even as too Phisitions should take one
sycke bodye in hand at towe sundrye tymes , tymes, of w hi ch wch sycke bodye in hand at towe sundrye tymes, tymes , of wch w hi ch
the form er would minister all thinges meete to purge the form er would minister all thinges meete to purge
and kepe vnder the bodye , bodye, thother to pamper and and kepe vnder the bodye, bodye , thother to pamper and
strengthen yt , suddenlie againe , againe, whereof what is strengthen yt , suddenlie againe, againe , whereof what is
to bee looked for , for, but a most dangerous relapse , relapse, that to bee looked for, for , but a most dangerous relapse, relapse , that
w hi ch wch wee now see thorugh through his rule , rule, and the next wch w hi ch wee now see through thorugh his rule, rule , and the next
after him , him, happened there vnto , vnto, beinge now more danger after him, him , happened there vnto, vnto , beinge now more danger
ouslie sycke then ever before : before: Therefore by all meanes ouslie sycke then ever before: before : Therefore by all meanes
yt must be foreseene fore seene and assured that after once entring yt must be fore seene foreseene and assured that after once entring
into this course of reformacon , reformacon, there bee aftewardes afterwardes into this course of reformacon, reformacon , there bee afterwardes aftewardes
noe remorse or drawinge backe , backe, for the sight of noe remorse or drawinge backe, backe , for the sight of
any such ruefull obiect as must therevpon follow any such ruefull obiect as must therevpon follow
nor for Compassion of theire Calamities seinge that nor for Compassion of theire Calamities seinge that
by noe other meanes meanes, yt is possible to recure them by noe other meanes, meanes yt is possible to recure them
and that these are not of will , will, but of verie and that these are not of will, will , but of verie
vrgent necessitie : necessitie: vrgent necessitie: necessitie :
Eudox: Thus farr then yee haue now p ro ceded to plant Eudox: Thus farr then yee haue now p ro ceded to plant
yo u r garrisons , yor garrisons, and to dyrecte theire servyces , servyces, of yor garrisons, yo u r garrisons , and to dyrecte theire servyces, servyces , of
the w hi ch wch neverthelesse I must needes conceyve that the wch w hi ch neverthelesse I must needes conceyve that
theire cannot bee any certaine dyrections sett theire cannot bee any certaine dyrections sett
downe , downe, so that they must followe the occasions downe, downe , so that they must followe the occasions
that shalbe dalie offred , offred, and diligentlye awayted , deligentelye awayted, But that shalbe dalie offred, offred , and deligentelye awayted, diligentlye awayted , But
by yo u r yor leaue Iren: not w i th standinge wthstandinge all this yo u r yor carefull by yor yo u r leaue Iren: not wthstandinge w i th standinge all this yor yo u r carefull
foresighte and provicon , . provicon, l mee thinckes I see an foresighte and provicon, l provicon , . mee thinckes I see an
evill lurke vnespied that maye may chance to hazard all evill lurke vnespied that may maye chance to hazard all
the hope of this greate service if yt bee not if...not over erasure the hope of this greate service if yt bee not if...not over erasure
erasure ~ erasure ~
verie verie
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bee placed verie well looked vnto , vnto, And that is the ~~ -- bee placed verie well looked vnto, vnto , And that is the -- ~~
Corruption of theire Captaines , Captaines, for though they bee placed Corruption of theire Captaines, Captaines , for though they bee placed
neu er so carefullie , neu er so carefullie, and theire companies fyld neu er so neu er so carefullie, neu er so carefullie , and theire companies fyld neu er so
suffycientlie , suffycientelie, yet maye they , they, if they list , list, discarde suffycientelie, suffycientlie , yet maye they, they , if they list, list , discarde
whom they please , please, and send awaye such as will willing whom they please, please , and send awaye such as will willing
lie bee rydd of that dangerous and hard servyce servyce. lie bee rydd of that dangerous and hard servyce. servyce
The w hi ch wch well I wote is theire Comon Custome , Com m on Custome, to The wch w hi ch well I wote is theire Com m on Custome, Comon Custome , to
doe when they are layde in garrison : garrison: for then they doe when they are layde in garrison: garrison : for then they
may better hyde theire defaultes , defaultes, then when they are may better hyde theire defaultes, defaultes , then when they are
in Campe , Campe, where they are Contynewallie eyde and in Campe, Campe , where they are Contynewallie eyde and
noted of all men , men, besydes when theire paye cometh com m eth noted of all men, men , besydes when theire paye com m eth cometh
they will (as they vse detayne the greatest ~ - they will (as they vse detayne the greatest - ~
porcons thereof at theire pleasure by an hundred porcons thereof at theire pleasure by an hundred
shiftes , shiftes, that need not here bee named , named, thorough shiftes, shiftes , that need not here bee named, named , thorough
w hi ch wch they oftentymes deceaue the soldyer , soldyer, abuse the wch w hi ch they oftentymes deceaue the soldyer, soldyer , abuse the
Quene and greatelie hinder the servyce , servyce, So Quene and greatelie hinder the servyce, servyce , So
that let the Quene paye never so fullie , the fullie, the that let the Quene paye never so fullie, the fullie , the
muster master veiwe them neu er so deligentelie muster master veiwe them neu er so deligentelie
let the deputie or gen er all looke to them neu er so let the deputie or gen er all looke to them neu er so
exactlie , exactlie, yet they can Cosen them all , all, There exactlie, exactlie , yet they can Cosen them all, all , There
fore mee semes yt were good , good, yf at least yt bee fore mee semes yt were good, good , yf at least yt bee
possible , possible, to make some p ro vicon for this inconvenience inconvenience: possible, possible , to make some p ro vicon for this inconvenience: inconvenience
Iren: It well will surelie bee verie hard , hard, but the chefest Iren: It will well surelie bee verie hard, hard , but the chefest
helpe for p re vencon hereof , hereof, must bee the Care helpe for p re vencon hereof, hereof , must bee the Care
of the Coronell , of the Coronell, that hath the gou er ern m en th t of all of the Coronell, of the Coronell , that hath the gou ern er m en t th of all
his garrisson , garrisson, to haue in an eye to theire alteration altera tion his garrisson, garrisson , to haue an in eye to theire altera tion alteration
to knowe the nomber and names of the sycke ~ - to knowe the nomber and names of the sycke - ~
Soldyers , Soldyers, and the slane , slayne, to m ar ke and obserue Soldyers, Soldyers , and the slayne, slane , to m ar ke and obserue
theire ranckes in theire dalie rysinge forth theire ranckes in theire dalie rysinge forth
to service , service, by w hi ch wch he cannot safelie easelie bee abused to service, service , by wch w hi ch he cannot easelie safelie bee abused
So that So that
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So that hee him self bee a man of speciall assurance So that hee him self bee a man of speciall assurance
and intigretie intigretie. And therefore good regarde is to and intigretie. intigretie And therefore good regarde is to
bee hadd in the chusing and appointing of them bee hadd in the chusing and appointing of them
Besydes I would not by any meanes that the Besydes I would not by any meanes that the
Capteines should haue the paying of theire soldyers Capteines should haue the paying of theire soldyers
but that theire should a paymaster bee , bee, appointed but that theire should a paymaster bee, bee , appointed
of speciall trust w hi ch wch should paye everie man of speciall trust wch w hi ch should paye everie man
according to his Capteines Tickett , Capteins Tickett, and the accompte according to his Capteins Tickett, Capteines Tickett , and the accompte
of the Clarke of his band , ffor band, For by this meane of the Clarke of his band, For band , ffor by this meane
the Capteine will neu er seke to falcefie his the Capteine will neu er seke to falcefie his
alteracons nor to deminishe his Companies alteracons nor to deminishe his Companies
nor to deceaue his Soldyers , Soldyers, when nothinge nor to deceaue his Soldyers, Soldyers , when nothinge
thereof shalbe for his game , gaine, this is the mann er of thereof shalbe for his gaine, game , this is the mann er of
the Spanyarde Captaines , Spanyardes Captaines, who neu er hath to ~ - the Spanyardes Captaines, Spanyarde Captaines , who neu er hath to - ~
meddle w i th wth his soldyers paye , paye, and in deed meddle wth w i th his soldyers paye, paye , and in deed
scorneth the name as base to bee Compted his scorneth the name as base to bee Compted his
soldyers , ~ Pugadore: soldyers,- Pagadore: where as the contrarie amongst soldyers,- Pagadore: soldyers , ~ Pugadore: where as the contrarie amongst
vs hath brought thinges to so badd a passe , passe, that vs hath brought thinges to so badd a passe, passe , that
theire is noe Capteine Captene but thinckes his band verie theire is noe Captene Capteine but thinckes his band verie
suffycient yf he can muster iiIxx iijxx and six sty sticke not suffycient yf he can muster iijxx iiIxx and sty six sticke not
to saye openlie , openlie, that he is vnworthie to haue a to saye openlie, openlie , that he is vnworthie to haue a
Captenshippe , Captenshippe, that cannot make yt vCl v Cl by the yeare Captenshippe, Captenshippe , that cannot make yt v Cl vCl by the yeare
the w hi ch the wch they right well veryfie by the proof proof: the wch the w hi ch they right well veryfie by the proof: proof
Eudox: Trulie I thincke this a verie averie good meane to Eudox: Trulie I thincke this averie a verie good meane to
avoyde that inconvenience of Captaines abusions avoyde that inconvenience of Captaines abusions
But what say saye yow of the Corronell , Corronell, what aucthoritie But what saye say yow of the Corronell, Corronell , what aucthoritie
thincke yow meete to be gyven him , him, whether will thincke yow meete to be gyven him, him , whether will
yee allowe him to protecte , protecte, to saif conducte to yee allowe him to protecte, protecte , to saif conducte to
haue m ar shall lawe as they are accustomed : accustomed: haue m ar shall lawe as they are accustomed: accustomed :
Iren Iren: Yea verelie but all these to bee lymitted w i th wth Iren: Iren Yea verelie but all these to bee lymitted wth w i th
verie straight instructions as thus for p re ro tections verie straight instructions as thus for p ro re tections
protect protect
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protect all that shall come in vnto them and them to send protect all that shall come in vnto them and them to send
vnto the deputie w i th wth theire saif conducte or passe vnto the deputie wth w i th theire saif conducte or passe
to bee at his disposition , disposition, but so as none of them turne to bee at his disposition, disposition , but so as none of them turne
backe againe beinge once Comen . , Com m en e, in but bee p re sent backe againe beinge once Com m en e, Comen . , in but bee p re sent
lie sente awaye onto out of the Countrie vnto the next lie sente awaye out onto of the Countrie vnto the next
sherif , sherif, and so conveyed in saiftye , saiftye, And lyke wise lykewise sherif, sherif , and so conveyed in saiftye, saiftye , And lykewise lyke wise
for m ar shall lawes that to the soldyer soldyor yt be not exten for m ar shall lawes that to the soldyor soldyer yt be not exten
ded , ded, but by tryall form er lie made of his Cryme by ded, ded , but by tryall form er lie made of his Cryme by
a Jurie of his fellowe soldyers as yt ought to a Jurie of his fellowe soldyers as yt ought to
bee , bee, and not rashlie as yte y e t will or displeasure bee, bee , and not rashlie as y e t yte will or displeasure
of the Coronell , ans Coronell, as I haue some times sometimes sene to lightlie of the Coronell, as Coronell , ans I haue sometimes some times sene to lightlie
And as for other of the Rebells that shall light into And as for other of the Rebells that shall light into
theire handes , handes, that they bee well aware of ~~ -- theire handes, handes , that they bee well aware of -- ~~
what condycon they bee , bee, and what holdinge they what condycon they bee, bee , and what holdinge they
haue , ffor haue, For in the last gen er all generall warrs there I knewe haue, For haue , ffor in the last generall gen er all warrs there I knewe
many good ffreholders Freholders executed by m ar shall lawe , ~ lawe, - many good Freholders ffreholders executed by m ar shall lawe, - lawe , ~
whose land was thereby saved to theire heires whose land was thereby saved to theire heires
w hi ch wch should otherwise haue excheated to her ma jes tie , wch w hi ch should otherwise haue excheated to her ma jes tie ,
In all w hi ch wch the great discression and vprightnes vprightenes of In all wch w hi ch the great discression and vprightenes vprightnes of
the Coronell him self , self, is to bee ther the Chefest the Coronell him self, self , is to bee the ther Chefest
staye both for all these doubtes and for manye staye both for all these doubtes and for manye
other diffyculties that maye in the servyce other diffyculties that maye in the servyce
happen : happen: happen: happen :
Eudox: Yo u r Yor Causion is verie good : good: But now towchinge Eudox: Yor Yo u r Causion is verie good: good : But now towchinge
the Arch Rebell him self , self, I meane the Earle the Arch Rebell him self, self , I meane the Earle
of Tyrone , yf he in all the tyme of these of Tyrone , yf he in all the tyme of these
warrs should offer to come in hostage and submit warrs should offer to come in hostage and submit
him self to her maiestie , maiestie, would yee not haue him him self to her maiestie, maiestie , would yee not haue him
receyved, gyvinge good hostages and suffycient assu receyved, gyvinge good hostages and suffycient assu
rance of him self :: self:: rance of him self:: self ::
Iren: No mary Iren: No mary
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Iren: Noe marye for theire is noe doubte but he will Iren: Noe marye for theire is noe doubte but he will
offer to come in as he hath done dyverse tymes offer to come in as he hath done dyverse tymes
alreadye , alreadye, but yt is w i th out wthout any intente of trewe alreadye, alreadye , but yt is wthout w i th out any intente of trewe
submission , submission, as the effecte hath well showed , showed, Neither submission, submission , as the effecte hath well showed, showed , Neither
in deed can he nowe , nowe, yf he would come in at in deed can he nowe, nowe , yf he would come in at
all ; all, nor giue that assurance of him self , that self, that all, all ; nor giue that assurance of him self, that self , that
should bee meete . ffor meete. For beinge as he is verie should bee meete. For meete . ffor beinge as he is verie
subtill headed , headed, seinge him self nowe so farr subtill headed, headed , seinge him self nowe so farr
engaged in this badd accon , accon, can he thincke engaged in this badd accon, accon , can he thincke
that by his submission he can purchase purchaise to him that by his submission he can purchaise purchase to him
self anye saiftie , any saiftie, but that heareafter when thinges self any saiftie, anye saiftie , but that heareafter when thinges
shalbe quieted , quieted, these his villaynies wilbee shalbe quieted, quieted , these his villaynies wilbee
ever remembred, and whensoever he shall ~ - ever remembred, and whensoever he shall - ~
treade awrye , awrye, as needes the most righteous treade awrye, awrye , as needes the most righteous
must sometymes sometymes, advantage wilbe taken thereof must sometymes, sometymes advantage wilbe taken thereof
as a breach of his p ar don , don, and he brought to as a breach of his p ar don, don , and he brought to
areckoninge a reckoninge for all form er matters , matters, Besides ~ - a reckoninge areckoninge for all form er matters, matters , Besides - ~
how harde yt is for him now to frame himself him self how harde yt is for him now to frame him self himself
to subiection, that havinge once sett before his eyes to subiection, that havinge once sett before his eyes
the hope of a kingdome , kingdome, hath therevnto there vnto found the hope of a kingdome, kingdome , hath there vnto therevnto found
not onelie encourragm encorragm en t from the greatest kinge of not onelie encorragm encourragm en t from the greatest kinge of
Christendome , Christendome, but also found great greate faintnesse Christendome, Christendome , but also found greate great faintnesse
in her ma jes ties w i th standinge , where by wthstandinge, whereby he is ~ ~ -- in her ma jes ties wthstandinge, whereby w i th standinge , where by he is -- ~ ~
anymated th to thincke that his powre is to anymated th to thincke that his powre is to
defende him , him, and offend further them then hee had done defende him, him , and offend further then them hee had done
when so he please please, lett eu er ie reasonable man iudge But when so he please, please lett eu er ie reasonable man iudge But
yf he him self should come in and leaue all other yf he him self should come in and leaue all other
his accomplices w i th out wthout as Donell Odonell Macmahon his accomplices wthout w i th out as Odonell Donell Macmahon
MacKuyre Mackuyre and the rest . rest, he must needes thincke Mackuyre MacKuyre and the rest, rest . he must needes thincke
that them then even they will eare longe cutt his that then them even they will eare longe cutt his
throate , w hi ch throate, wch having drawne them all into this throate, wch throate , w hi ch having drawne them all into this
occasion occasion
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occasion now in the myddste of theire trouble gi. gine occasion now in the myddste of theire trouble gine gi.
gyveth then them the slipp , slipp, whereby hee must needes gyveth them then the slipp, slipp , whereby hee must needes
p er ceaue , ceaue, how impossible yt is for him to submit p er ceaue, ceaue , how impossible yt is for him to submit
him self , self, But yett if he would so doe , doe, can him self, self , But yett if he would so doe, doe , can
he giue any assurance of his good obedyence ; ffor obedyence, For he giue any assurance of his good obedyence, For obedyence ; ffor
how weake hold theire is by hostages hostages, hath how weake hold theire is by hostages, hostages hath
to often bene proued proued, And that w hi ch wch is spoken to often bene proued, proued And that wch w hi ch is spoken
of taking Ohan Oneales sonnes from him , him, and of taking Ohan Oneales sonnes from him, him , and
setting them vpp against him , him, is a verie p er illous setting them vpp against him, him , is a verie p er illous
Counsell , Counsell, and not by any meanes to bee putt in Counsell, Counsell , and not by any meanes to bee putt in
proof , ffor proof, For were they lett forth and could ~ - proof, For proof , ffor were they lett forth and could - ~
over thorowe , overthrowe, whoe should afterwardes overthrow overthrowe, over thorowe , whoe should afterwardes overthrow
them , them, or what assurance can bee hadd of them them, them , or what assurance can bee hadd of them
It wilbe like the tale in AEsope Æsope of the wyld It wilbe like the tale in Æsope AEsope of the wyld
horse who havinge enmitie against the horse who havinge enmitie against the
stagge , stagge, came to a man to desyre his ayde stagge, stagge , came to a man to desyre his ayde
against his enimye , enimye, who yeilding therevnto against his enimye, enimye , who yeilding therevnto
wounted mounted vpon his backe , backe, and so following the mounted wounted vpon his backe, backe , and so following the
stagge ere longe slewe him , him, but then when stagge ere longe slewe him, him , but then when
the horse would haue him alight , alight, he refused refuised the horse would haue him alight, alight , he refuised refused
but kepte him ever after in his service and sub but kepte him ever after in his service and sub
iection , iection, such I doubte would bee the proof of shane iection, iection , such I doubte would bee the proof of shane
Oneales sonnes , sonnes, therefore yt is most dangerous to Oneales sonnes, sonnes , therefore yt is most dangerous to
attempte any such plott , ffor plott, For even that verie ~ - attempte any such plott, For plott , ffor even that verie - ~
mann er of plott was the meanes , meanes, by w hi ch wch this trato mann er of plott was the meanes, meanes , by wch w hi ch this trato
rous Earle is now made so greate , ffor greate, For when as rous Earle is now made so greate, For greate , ffor when as
the last Oneale called Turlagh Lenagh began the last Oneale called Turlagh Lenagh began
to stand vpon some tickle termes , termes, this fellowe then called to stand vpon some tickle termes, termes , this fellowe then called
Baro n of Donganno ; n , was sett vpp as yt weare to beard Baro n of Donganno n , ; was sett vpp as yt weare to beard
him and countenanced and strengthned by the Quene so farr him and countenanced and strengthned by the Quene so farr
as that hee is now able to kepe her self play much as that hee is now able to kepe her self play much
like vnto a gamester , gamester, that having lost all borroweth like vnto a gamester, gamester , that having lost all borroweth
of his next of his next
fellowe fellowe
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of his next fellowe gamester that is the most of his next fellowe gamester that is the most
wynner , wynner, some what to maintane playe , w hi ch maintaine playe, wch he setting wynner, wynner , some what to maintaine playe, wch maintane playe , w hi ch he setting
vnto him againe , againe, shortelie thereby wynneth all from vnto him againe, againe , shortelie thereby wynneth all from
the wynner : wynner: the wynner: wynner :
Eudox’s response omitted; 3549-50 in Variorum Iren: He was I assure yow the most outcast of all the Iren: He was I assure yow the most outcast of all the Eudox’s response omitted; 3549-50 in Variorum
Iren: He was I assure yow the most outcast Oneales then, and lifted vpp by her ma jes tie out of all the the dust Oneales then, and lifted vpp by her ma jes tie out Iren: He was I assure yow the most outcast of the dust all the
Oneales then , and lifted vpp by her ma jes tie out of the dust to that he hath nowe wrought him self vnto: And now to that he hath nowe wrought him self vnto: And now Oneales then , and lifted vpp by her ma jes tie out of the dust
he hath nowe rorought him self vnto : And now playeth lyke the frozen snake, who beinge for Com to that he playeth lyke the frozen snake, who beinge for Com hath nowe rorought him self vnto : And now
passion releiued by the frozen snake , who beinge for Com husbandman, soone after he playeth lyke was he was playeth lyke the husbandman, soone after frozen snake , who beinge for Com
passion releiued by the husbandman , soone after he was warme began to hisse, and threaten danger even to warme began to hisse, and threaten danger even to passion releiued by the husbandman , soone after he was
warme began to hisse , him and threaten danger even to his: him warme began to hisse , and his: threaten danger even to
him and his : Eudox: He surelye then deserueth the punishm en t of the Eudox: He surelye then deserueth the punishm en t of the him and his :
Eudox: Ye surelye then deserueth the punishm en th of the snake and should worthelie bee shewed in peeces, but snake and should worthelie bee shewed in peeces, but Eudox: Ye surelye then deserueth the punishm en th of the
snake and should worthelie be shewed in peeces , but yf yow lyke not the lettinge Shane Oneales sonnes against yf yow lyke not the lettinge Shane Oneales sonnes against snake and should worthelie be shewed in peeces , but
yf yow lyke not the lettinge Shane Oneales sonnes against him, what saye yee then of that aduise wch I hard him, what saye yee then of that aduise wch I hard yf yow lyke not the lettinge Shane Oneales sonnes against
him , what saye yee then of that aduise w hi ch I hard was geven by some to drawe in the Scottes, to serue was geven by some to drawe in the Scottes, to serue him , what saye yee then of that aduise w hi ch I hard
was geven by some to drawe in the Scottes , to serue against him, how like yow that aduise::-. against him, how like yow that aduise::-. was geven by some to drawe in the Scottes , to serue
against him Iren: Much worse, then the form er , how like yow for who is hee that aduise : : ~ : Iren: Much worse, then the form er against him , for who is hee how like yow that aduise : : ~ :
is hee experienced in those p ar tes, and knoweth not that Iren: Much worse , then the form er , for who is experienced in those p ar tes, and knoweth not hee that
is experienced in those p ar tes , and knoweth not that is experienced in those p ar tes , and knoweth not that
the Oneales are nearelye alyed vnto the Macon the Oneales are nearelye alyed vnto the Macon
eales of Scotland , Scotland, and to the Earle of Argile , from eales of Scotland, Scotland , and to the Earle of Argile , from
whom they vse to haue all theire succors of those scottes whom they vse to haue all theire succors of those scottes
and Red shankes , Redshankes, Besides all those Scottes are thoughe throughe and Redshankes, Red shankes , Besides all those Scottes are throughe thoughe
longe contynewance inter mingled intermingled and alyed to all the longe contynewance intermingled inter mingled and alyed to all the
Inhabytantes of the North , North, so as there is now noe hope Inhabytantes of the North, North , so as there is now noe hope
they will ever bee wrought to serue faithfullie against they will ever bee wrought to serue faithfullie against
theire ould freindes and kynsmen , kynsmen, And yf they would , would, theire ould freindes and kynsmen, kynsmen , And yf they would, would ,
how when the warrs are fynished , fynished, and they haue how when the warrs are fynished, fynished , and they haue
overthrowen him , him, shall they them selues bee putt out out, overthrowen him, him , shall they them selues bee putt out, out
doe not all knowe that the Scottes were the first doe not all knowe that the Scottes were the first
inhabytantes of all the north and that those w hi ch wch are inhabytantes of all the north and that those wch w hi ch are
now called , called, North Irishe , Irishe, were in deed verie now called, called , North Irishe, Irishe , were in deed verie
Scottes Scottes
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Scottes w hi ch wch challenge the Ancyente inheritance & dominion Scottes wch w hi ch challenge the Ancyente inheritance & dominion
of all that countrie to bee there owne auncyentelie of all that countrie to bee there owne auncyentelie
This then were but to leape out of the pan OB into the This then were but to leape out of the pan OB into the
fyer : ffor fyer: For the cheifest caveat and p ro viso in the fefor refor fyer: For fyer : ffor the cheifest caveat and p ro viso in the refor fefor
macon of the North must bee to kepe out the Scottes : Scottes: macon of the North must bee to kepe out the Scottes: Scottes :
Eudox: Indeed I remember that in yo u r yor discourse of Eudox: Indeed I remember that in yor yo u r discourse of
the first peoplinge of Ireland , Ireland, ye shewed that the first peoplinge of Ireland, Ireland , ye shewed that
the Scythian or Scottes Scottes, were the first that satt the Scythian or Scottes, Scottes were the first that satt
downe in the northe , northe, whereby yt semes they may downe in the northe, northe , whereby yt semes they may
challenge some right therein , therein, How comes yt then challenge some right therein, therein , How comes yt then
that Oneales claimes that clames the Dominion thereof , thereof, and that Oneales clames the claimes that Dominion thereof, thereof , and
this Earle of Tyrone sayth the right is in him , him, I this Earle of Tyrone sayth the right is in him, him , I
praye yow resolue mee therein ffor therein. For yt is verie ~ - praye yow resolue mee therein. For therein ffor yt is verie - ~
needfull to bee kinsmen knowen, and maketh most vnto the needfull to bee knowen, kinsmen and maketh most vnto the
right of the warr against him , him, whose successe vseth right of the warr against him, him , whose successe vseth
comonlye to be accordinge to the Iustnes of the cause comonlye to be accordinge to the Iustnes of the cause
for w hi ch wch yt is made made: For yf Tyron : ffor haue any right in that for wch w hi ch yt is made: For made : ffor yf Tyron haue any right in that
Signiorye , Signiorye, mee semes yt should bee be wrought to thrust Signiorye, Signiorye , mee semes yt should be bee wrought to thrust
him out , out, or if (as I remember yee said in the begynning) him out, out , or if (as I remember yee said in the begynning)
that , that, Oneale when he acknowledged the k ing k: of England that, that , Oneale when he acknowledged the k: k ing of England
for his leige Lord and sou er aigne did , did, as hee alled alle d geth for his leige Lord and sou er aigne did, did , as hee alle d alled geth
reserue in the same ~ submissio submission all his signiories reserue in the same submission ~ submissio all his signiories
and rightes vnto him self , self, it should bee accompted ~ - and rightes vnto him self, self , it should bee accompted - ~
vniust to thrust him out of the same : same: vniust to thrust him out of the same: same :
Iren: for the right of Oneale in the signiorie of Iren: for the right of Oneale in the signiorie of
the North , North, yt is surelie none at all , all, for besydes the North, North , yt is surelie none at all, all , for besydes
that the kinges of England conquered all the Realme that the kinges of England conquered all the Realme
and thereby invested all the righte of that Lande lande to and thereby invested all the righte of that lande Lande to
them selues and theire heires , and successors , heires, and successors, for ever ever, so them selues and theire heires, and successors, heires , and successors , for ever, ever so
as nothinge was lefte in , in, Oneale but what he recey as nothinge was lefte in, in , Oneale but what he recey
ued backe backe, from them , them, Oneale him self neu er had ued backe, backe from them, them , Oneale him self neu er had
any auncyente signiorie in that Countrie , Countrie, but what any auncyente signiorie in that Countrie, Countrie , but what
by vsurpation and incrochm en t after the deathe of the by vsurpation and incrochm en t after the deathe of the
Duke of Duke of
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74 Duke of Clarence he gat vpon the Englishe, whose Duke of Clarence he gat vpon the Englishe, whose 74
Duke of Clarence he gat vpon the Englishe , whose Duke of Clarence he gat vpon the Englishe , whose
landes and possessions beinge form er lie wasted by the landes and possessions beinge form er lie wasted by the
Scottes vnder the leadinge of Edward Lee Bruce , as I Scottes vnder the leadinge of Edward Lee Bruce , as I
form er lie declared vnto yow , yow, he eftsones entered into and form er lie declared vnto yow, yow , he eftsones entered into and
sythence hath wrongefullie detained , detayned, throughe sythence hath wrongefullie detayned, detained , throughe
the other occupacons and greate affaires w hi ch the wch the the other occupacons and greate affaires wch the w hi ch the
Kinges kinges of England soone after fell into here at kinges Kinges of England soone after fell into here at
home , home, so as they could not intend to the recou er ie to the home, home , so as they could not intend to the recou er ie to the
recou er ie of that countrie of the North , North, nor restraining restrayning recou er ie of that countrie of the North, North , nor restrayning restraining
the insolencye of Oneale , who Oneale, Who fynding none the insolencye of Oneale, Who Oneale , who fynding none
now to w wth stand him , him, in that desolacon , desolac i th on, and now to wth w i on, th stand him, him , in that desolac desolacon , and
made him self Lorde of those fewe people , people, that made him self Lorde of those fewe people, people , that
remained there , remayned there, vpon whom ever sythence he remayned there, remained there , vpon whom ever sythence he
hathe contenewed the first vsurped power , power, and now hathe contenewed the first vsurped power, power , and now
exacteth and extorteth vpon all men , men, what he list exacteth and extorteth vpon all men, men , what he list
So that now to subdue or expel expell, an vsurper So that now to subdue or expell, expel an vsurper
should bee noe vniust prize nor wrongfull should bee noe vniust prize nor wrongfull
war , warr, but a restrytution restytution of an Auncyent right warr, war , but a restytution restrytution of an Auncyent right
vnto the Crowne of England , England, from whence vnto the Crowne of England, England , from whence
they were most uniustlye vniustlye expelled and longe kept they were most vniustlye uniustlye expelled and longe kept
out : out:: out:: out :
Eudox: I am verie glad herein here in to bee thus satisfied , satisfyed, Eudox: I am verie glad here in herein to bee thus satisfyed, satisfied ,
by yow, that I maye the better satisfye them by yow, that I maye the better satisfye them
whom I haue often harde to obiecte these doubtes whom I haue often harde to obiecte these doubtes
and slanderouslie to OB barke at the courses that and slanderouslie to OB barke at the courses that
are held against the Tratorous Earle , Earle, and are held against the Tratorous Earle, Earle , and
his adherence , adherence, But now that yow thus settled yo u r setled yor his adherence, adherence , But now that yow thus setled yor settled yo u r
service , service, for . V Vlster and Connaght Connaght, I would bee service, service , for V . Vlster and Connaght, Connaght I would bee
gladd to gladd to
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gladd to heare yo u r yor opynion for the p er ro secutinge of Feagh gladd to heare yor yo u r opynion for the p ro er secutinge of Feagh
mc m c Hugh who beinge but a base villaine and of him m c mc Hugh who beinge but a base villaine and of him
self of noe power , power, yet so contynewallie troubleth self of noe power, power , yet so contynewallie troubleth
that state , that state, not w i th wth standinge that he lyeth that state, that state , not wth w i th standinge that he lyeth
vnder theire nose , nose, that I disdaine his bold ~~ -- vnder theire nose, nose , that I disdaine his bold -- ~~
arrogancye and thincke yt to be the greatest arrogancye and thincke yt to be the greatest
indignitie to the Quene that maye bee to indignitie to the Quene that maye bee to
suffer such a caytif playe such reakes , reakes, and by his suffer such a caytif playe such reakes, reakes , and by his
ensample not onelie to giue hurte and encorragm en t ensample not onelie to giue hurte and encorragm en t
to all such bold rebelles , rebells, but also toyeild to yeild them succor to all such bold rebells, rebelles , but also to yeild toyeild them succor
and refuge against her ma jes tie , ,, whensoever they and refuge against her ma jes tie ,, , whensoever they
flye into his Comericke , Comericke, wherefore I would first flye into his Comericke, Comericke , wherefore I would first
wishe before yow enter into yo u r yor plot of servyce against wishe before yow enter into yor yo u r plot of servyce against
him that yow should laye open by what meanes him that yow should laye open by what meanes
hee beinge so base , base, first lifted him self vpp to hee beinge so base, base , first lifted him self vpp to
this dangerous greatenes , greatenes, and how he mainteyneth this dangerous greatenes, greatenes , and how he mainteyneth
his p ar te against the Quene and her power power, not his p ar te against the Quene and her power, power not
w i th standinge wthstandinge all that hath bene donne and attempted wthstandinge w i th standinge all that hath bene donne and attempted
against him , him, And whether also he haue any ~ ~ - against him, him , And whether also he haue any - ~ ~
p re tence of right in the landes he holdeth or in the p re tence of right in the landes he holdeth or in the
warrs that he maketh for the same : same: warrs that he maketh for the same: same :
Iren: I will so at yo u r pleasure : yor pleasure: And since yee desire Iren: I will so at yor pleasure: yo u r pleasure : And since yee desire
to knowe his first begynninge , begynninge, I will not onelie to knowe his first begynninge, begynninge , I will not onelie
discou er the begynninge of his private howse , howse, but discou er the begynninge of his private howse, howse , but
also the originall of all his septe , septe, of the Birnes also the originall of all his septe, septe , of the Birnes
& Tooles , Tooles, so farr as I haue learned the same from & Tooles, Tooles , so farr as I haue learned the same from
some of them selues , selues, and gathred the rest by reading some of them selues, selues , and gathred the rest by reading
This people of the Birnes and Tooles (as before This people of the Birnes and Tooles (as before
I shewed sh e wed yow my coniecture ) coniecture) discended from the I sh e wed shewed yow my coniecture) coniecture ) discended from the
ancyent Britons , w hi ch Britons, wch first in habyted all those ancyent Britons, wch Britons , w hi ch first in habyted all those
Easterne p ar tes of Ireland as there names doe Easterne p ar tes of Ireland as there names doe
betoken betoken
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75 betoken,. for Brin in the Bryttons language, signifyeth betoken,. for Brin in the Bryttons language, signifyeth 75
betoken , for Brin in the Bryttons language , signifyeth woddye and Toll hillye, wch names yt semeth they woddye and Toll hillye, wch names yt semeth they betoken , for Brin in the Bryttons language , signifyeth
woddye and Toll hillye , w hi ch names yt semeth tooke of the Countrie, wch they inhabyted, wch is all tooke of the Countrie, wch woddye and Toll hillye , w hi ch names yt semeth they inhabyted, wch is all
looke of verie mountanie and wooddye, In the Countrie , w hi ch they inhabyted , w hi ch is all wch yt semeth verie mountanie and wooddye, In looke of the wch yt semeth Countrie , w hi ch they inhabyted , w hi ch is all
verie mountaine and wooddye , In the w hi ch yt semeth verie mountaine and wooddye , In the w hi ch yt semeth
that ever sythence the cominge in of the Englishe that ever sythence the cominge in of the Englishe
w i th Dermonigile , wth Dermonigile, they have contynewed , contynewed, whether - wth Dermonigile, w i th Dermonigile , they have contynewed, contynewed , whether -
that theire countrie beinge so rude and mountaynous , mountaynous, was that theire countrie beinge so rude and mountaynous, mountaynous , was
of them dispysed and thought not worthie , worthie, the of them dispysed and thought not worthie, worthie , the
inhabytinge , inhabytinge, or that they were receyved to grace inhabytinge, inhabytinge , or that they were receyved to grace
by them and suffred to enioye theire landes , landes, as vnfitt by them and suffred to enioye theire landes, landes , as vnfitt
for any other , other, yet yt semeth that in some places for any other, other , yet yt semeth that in some places
of the same they did putt foote and fortefied w i th wth of the same they did putt foote and fortefied wth w i th
sondrie Castles , Castles, of w hi ch wch thee ruins onelie doe sondrie Castles, Castles , of wch w hi ch thee ruins onelie doe
there ^ now remaine , remaine, Since tyme they are growen to þ a y t there ^ now remaine, remaine , Since tyme they are growen to y þ a t
strength , strength, that they aree able to lifte vpp hande against strength, strength , that they aree able to lifte vpp hande against
all the state , state, and now latelye through the boldnes all the state, state , and now latelye through the boldnes
and late good successe of this Feagh mac Hugh m a c Hugh: and late good successe of this Feagh m a c Hugh: mac Hugh
they are so farr ymboldyned that they threaten p er ill they are so farr ymboldyned that they threaten p er ill
even to dubline , dubline, over whose necke they contynewallie even to dubline, dubline , over whose necke they contynewallie
hange , hange, But touchinge yo u r yor demaund of this Feaghes hange, hange , But touchinge yor yo u r demaund of this Feaghes
right vnto that countrye or the signorie w hi ch signorie, wch he right vnto that countrye or the signorie, wch signorie w hi ch he
claimes therein , clames therein, yt is most vaine and arrogant : arrogant: clames therein, claimes therein , yt is most vaine and arrogant: arrogant :
ffor For this yee cannot bee ignorant , ignorant, that yt was For ffor this yee cannot bee ignorant, ignorant , that yt was
p ar te of that w hi ch wch was gyven in inheritance Inheritance by Dermot p ar te of that wch w hi ch was gyven in Inheritance inheritance by Dermot
mc Marragh K ing ma c Murrogh K: of Leinster to Stambowes w i th Stanbowes wth his ma c Murrogh K: mc Marragh K ing of Leinster to Stanbowes wth Stambowes w i th his
daughter , daughter, and w hi ch Strangbow , wch Strangbowe, gaue over to the daughter, daughter , and wch Strangbowe, w hi ch Strangbow , gaue over to the
k ing k: and his heires , heires; so as the right is absolutelie k: k ing and his heires; heires , so as the right is absolutelie
now in her ma jes tie , And yf yt were not , not, yet could now in her ma jes tie , And yf yt were not, not , yet could
yt not bee in this Feagh , but in Obrin , and his yt not bee in this Feagh , but in Obrin , and his
grandfather grandfather, Shane mc Turlogh M c Turlogh, was a man of grandfather, grandfather Shane M c Turlogh, mc Turlogh was a man of
meanest regard amongst them , them, neyther having meanest regard amongst them, them , neyther having
wealth nor power power, but his sonne hugh mc m c S wealth nor power, power but his sonne hugh m c mc S
Shane , the father of this Feagh first begane began to lift Shane , the father of this Feagh first began begane to lift
vpp his vpp his
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vpp his head , head, and through the strenght and great fatnes vpp his head, head , and through the strenght and great fatnes
of Glan Malore w i th Malor wth adioyneth vnto his howse of of Glan Malor wth Malore w i th adioyneth vnto his howse of
Ballenecarre , Ballenecarre, drewe vnto him many theves & Ballenecarre, Ballenecarre , drewe vnto him many theves &
outlawes w hi ch wch fledd vnto the succor of the glenn outlawes wch w hi ch fledd vnto the succor of the glenn
as to a Sanctuary and brought vnto him p ar te of as to a Sanctuary and brought vnto him p ar te of
the spoyle of all the Country , through w hi ch Country, thorough wch he grewe the spoyle of all the Country, thorough wch Country , through w hi ch he grewe
stronge and in shorte space gettinge to him self stronge and in shorte space gettinge to him self
a greate name , agreate name, thereby amongst the Irishe , Irishe, In whose agreate name, a greate name , thereby amongst the Irishe, Irishe , In whose
footinge this his sonne contynewinge , contynewinge, hath through manie footinge this his sonne contynewinge, contynewinge , hath through manie
vnhappye occasions increased , inceased, his name , name, and the opynion vnhappye occasions inceased, increased , his name, name , and the opynion
of his greatnes , greatnes, so that now hee is become a dangerous of his greatnes, greatnes , so that now hee is become a dangerous
enemye to deale w i th all : : wthall:: OB enemye to deale wthall:: OB w i th all : :
Eudox: Surelye I can Comend him that beinge of Eudox: Surelye I can Comend him that beinge of
him self of ^ so bace sorte Condycion , serte Condycion, hath through his him self of ^ so bace serte Condycion, sorte Condycion , hath through his
owne hardinesse hardnesse lifted him self vpp to the hight that owne hardnesse hardinesse lifted him self vpp to the hight that
he now dare fronte Princes , Princes, and make termes w i th wth he now dare fronte Princes, Princes , and make termes wth w i th
great Potentates , Potentates, the w hi ch wch as yt is honorable to him great Potentates, Potentates , the wch w hi ch as yt is honorable to him
so yet its yt is to them most disgracefull to be bee bearded of so yt is yet its to them most disgracefull to bee be bearded of
such abuse Verlit , a base Verlit, that beinge but late growen such a base Verlit, abuse Verlit , that beinge but late growen
out of the doun dou n ghill begynneth now to overcrowe overcrowe, so out of the dou n doun ghill begynneth now to overcrowe, overcrowe so
high mountaines , Mountaines, and make him self great protector high Mountaines, mountaines , and make him self great protector
of all owtlawes outlawes and rebells that will repare repaire vnto of all outlawes owtlawes and rebells that will repaire repare vnto
him : him: But doe yow thincke , thincke, that he is now so dange him: him : But doe yow thincke, thincke , that he is now so dange
rous an Enemye as hee is counted , counted, or that it is so rous an Enemye as hee is counted, counted , or that it is so
hard to take him downe , downe, as some suppose : suppose: hard to take him downe, downe , as some suppose: suppose :
Iren: Noe verelye , verelye, there is noe great reckoninge to bee Iren: Noe verelye, verelye , there is noe great reckoninge to bee
made of him , him, for had hee ever bene taken in hand hand, made of him, him , for had hee ever bene taken in hand, hand
when the rest of the Realme Realme, or at least , least, the p ar tes when the rest of the Realme, Realme or at least, least , the p ar tes
adioyninge had bene quiet as the honorable gentleman adioyninge had bene quiet as the honorable gentleman
that now governeth there , there, I meane S i r Willyum Willyam that now governeth there, there , I meane S i r Willyam Willyum
Russell gaue a notable attempte therevnto , therevnto, and had Russell gaue a notable attempte therevnto, therevnto , and had
worthelie p er formed yt , yt, yf his course had not bene worthelie p er formed yt, yt , yf his course had not bene
Crossed Crossed
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76 Crossed vnhappelye: he could not haue stood three Crossed vnhappelye: he could not haue stood three 76
Crossed vnhappelye : he could not monthes nor ever haue stood three looked vpp againste monthes nor ever Crossed vnhappelye : he could not haue looked vpp againste stood three
monthes nor ever haue lookedc vpp againste averie m OB meane power: But now all averie m OB meane power: But now all monthes nor ever haue lookedc vpp againste
a verie me..e meane power : But now all the p ar tes aboute him, beinge vpp in maddinge the p ar tes aboute him, beinge vpp in maddinge a verie me..e meane power : But now all
the p ar tes aboute him moode as the Mores in maddinge Lease , beinge vpp the Cavanaghes moode as the Mores the p ar tes aboute him , the Cavanaghes beinge vpp in Lease maddinge
in Lease , the Cavanaghes the Countye of Wexforde, and some of moode as the mores in the Countye of Wexforde, and some of Lease , the Cavanaghes
in the Countye of Wexforde , and some of in the Countye of Wexforde , and some of
the Butlers in the Countye of Kylkennye the Butlers in the Countye of Kylkennye
they all flocke vnto him , him, and drawe vnto they all flocke vnto him, him , and drawe vnto
his Countrye as to stronge hold , hold, where they his Countrye as to stronge hold, hold , where they
thincke to be saif from all that p er ro secute them them, thincke to be saif from all that p ro er secute them, them
And from thence they doe at theire pleasures And from thence they doe at theire pleasures
br b r eake out into all the borders adioyninge , adioyninge, b r br eake out into all the borders adioyninge, adioyninge ,
w hi ch wch are well peopled countryes , countryes, as the wch w hi ch are well peopled countryes, countryes , as the
Countye of Dubline , of Kyldare , Dubline, of Kyldare, of Carlough Countye of Dubline, of Kyldare, Dubline , of Kyldare , of Carlough
of Kylkennye of Wexford w i th Wexford, wth the spoiles of Kylkennye of Wexford, wth Wexford w i th the spoiles
whereof they victell and strengthen them whereof they victell and strengthen them
selves , w hi ch selves, wch otherwise should in shorte selves, wch selves , w hi ch otherwise should in shorte
tymes tyme bee shortened starved and sone pyned : pyned: tyme tymes bee shortened starved and sone pyned: pyned :
Soe that what he is of him self . l Soe that what he is of him self l .
yow maye hereby p er ceaue : : : ceaue::: yow maye hereby p er ceaue::: ceaue : : :
Eudox: Then by so much as I gather out of yo u r yor Eudox: Then by so much as I gather out of yor yo u r
speach , speach, the next waye to ende the warrs speach, speach , the next waye to ende the warrs
w i th wth him and to roote him ^ quite out , out, should bee wth w i th him and to roote him ^ quite out, out , should bee
to kepe him from in vading invading those Countries to kepe him from invading in vading those Countries
adioyning : w hi ch adioyning: wch as I suppose is to bee done none do ne n OB ne adioyning: wch adioyning : w hi ch as I suppose is to bee do ne n OB ne done none
by drawinge all the Inhabytantes of those by drawinge all the Inhabytantes of those
next borders awaye and leaving them vtterlie next borders awaye and leaving them vtterlie
waste waste
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waste , waste, or by planting garrisons vpon all those waste, waste , or by planting garrisons vpon all those
frontyers about him , him, that when hee shall frontyers about him, him , that when hee shall
breake forthe maye sett vpon him and shorten breake forthe maye sett vpon him and shorten
his returne : : returne:: his returne:: returne : :
Iren: Yee conceyve rightlie Eudox: , but for the Iren: Yee conceyve rightlie Eudox: , but for the
dispeopling and dryvinge awaye all the Inha dispeopling and dryvinge awaye all the Inha
bytantes from the Countries Countries, about him w hi ch wch hee bytantes from the Countries, Countries about him wch w hi ch hee
spake of , of, should bee a great agreat Confusion and spake of, of , should bee agreat a great Confusion and
trouble as well aswell for the vnwillingnes of them trouble aswell as well for the vnwillingnes of them
to leaue theire possessions , possessions, as also for placing and p ro vy to leaue theire possessions, possessions , as also for placing and p ro vy
dinge for them in other countries , countries, mee semes the better dinge for them in other countries, countries , mee semes the better
course should bee by plantinge of garrisons about him , him, the course should bee by plantinge of garrisons about him, him , the
w hi ch when so ever wch whensoever he shall looke forth or bee drawen wch whensoever w hi ch when so ever he shall looke forth or bee drawen
out w i th wth desyre of the spoyle of those borders or out wth w i th desyre of the spoyle of those borders or
for necessitie of victell , Victell, shalbe alwaies redye for necessitie of Victell, victell , shalbe alwaies redye
to intercept his goinge cominge cominge:. to intercept his goinge cominge:. cominge
Eudox: Where then doe yow wishe these those garrisons to bee Eudox: Where then doe yow wishe those these garrisons to bee
planted , planted, that they maye serue best against him planted, planted , that they maye serue best against him
and how manye in of eu er ie garrison : garrison: and how manye of in eu er ie garrison: garrison :
Iren: Iren : I my self , self, by reason ( þ a y t (as I am noe m ar shall man Iren : Iren: I my self, self , by reason ( y þ a t (as I am noe m ar shall man
will not take vpon mee to dyrect so dangerous affayers , affayres, will not take vpon mee to dyrect so dangerous affayres, affayers ,
but onelye as I vnderstood by the purposes and but onelye as I vnderstood by the purposes and
plottes , w hi ch plottes, wch the Lo. Graye , Lo: Graye, who was well experie plottes, wch plottes , w hi ch the Lo: Graye, Lo. Graye , who was well experie
nced in that service against him did laye downe nced in that service against him did laye downe
To the p er formance whereof he onelie required a 1000 To the p er formance whereof he onelie required a 1000
men , men, to bee be laid in fower garrisons , þ a garrisons, y t is at Balline men, men , to be bee laid in fower garrisons, y garrisons , þ a t is at Balline
corre . 200 foote ^ men to bee laid & 50 horse , w hi ch horse, wch should shutt corre . 200 foote ^ men to bee laid & 50 horse, wch horse , w hi ch should shutt
him out of his great glenn , glenn, whereto hee so him out of his great glenn, glenn , whereto hee so
much trusteth at knocklough 200 footemen and 50 : much trusteth at knocklough 200 footemen and 50 :
horse to answere the Countie of Carlo ; Carlo, Att Arklo horse to answere the Countie of Carlo, Carlo ; Att Arklo
Arkelo or Wicklo wicklo 200 footmen , footmen, to defend all that syde Arkelo or wicklo Wicklo 200 footmen, footmen , to defend all that syde
towardes towardes
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77 Towardes the Sea, in Shelelagh 100 footmen to defend all that Towardes the Sea, in Shelelagh 100 footmen to defend all that 77
Towardes the Sea , in Shelelagh 100 footmen to defend all that syde towardes the sea wch should cutt him from the Cava syde towardes the sea wch should cutt him from the Cava Towardes the Sea , in Shelelagh 100 footmen to defend all that
syde towardes the sea naghes and the cou nty of w hi ch should cutt him from the Cava exford, And about the three Castles naghes and the cou nty of syde towardes the sea w exford, And about the three Castles hi ch should cutt him from the Cava
naghes and the cou ntye 50 horsmen, wch should defende, all the Cou nty of wexford , And about the three Castles Dubline, 50 horsmen, wch should defende, all the Cou nty naghes and the cou ntye of Dubline, wexford , And about the three Castles
50 horsmen , w hi ch and 100 : footemen at Talbottes towne wch should defende all the Cou ntye of Dubline , kepe him from and 100 : footemen at Talbottes towne wch 50 horsmen , w hi ch should kepe him from defende all the Cou ntye of Dubline ,
breakinge into the Cou nty of Kyldare, and 100 footemen at Talbottes towne w hi ch should kepe him from bee alwaies on his and bee alwaies on his 100 footemen at Talbottes towne w hi ch should kepe him from
breakinge into the Cou ntye of Kyldare , and bee alwaies necke on his necke on that syde, The wch garrisons so lade will necke breakinge into the Cou ntye of Kyldare , and bee alwaies on his necke on that syde, The wch garrisons so lade will
so lade will busie him, y t he shall neu er rest at home, nor stirr forthe - necke or his necke on that syde , The w hi ch garrisons so busie him, y t he shall neu er rest at home, nor stirr forthe - lade will
so busie him , þ a t abroad, but he shall neu er rest at home , nor stirr forthe ~ shalbe had, As for his Creete they cannot be abroad, but so busie him , þ a t he shalbe had, As for his Creete they cannot be shall neu er rest at home , nor stirr forthe ~
abroad , but he shalbe had , As for his Creete they cannot be abroad , but he shalbe had , As for his Creete they cannot be
aboue ground but they must needes fall into theire handes or aboue ground but they must needes fall into theire handes or
starue , starue, for he hath noe fastenes nor refuge for them or his starue, starue , for he hath noe fastenes nor refuge for them or his
p ar takers of the Mores Butlers and Cavanaghes , Cavanaghes, they will sone ~ - p ar takers of the Mores Butlers and Cavanaghes, Cavanaghes , they will sone - ~
leaue him , him, when they see his fastenes and stronge places , places, thus leaue him, him , when they see his fastenes and stronge places, places , thus
taken from him : him: taken from him: him :
Eudox: Surelie this seemeth a plott of great reason and small small:. Eudox: Surelie this seemeth a plott of great reason and small:. small
defycultie , w hi ch defycultie, wch p ro miseth hope of a shorte ende , ende, but what ~ - defycultie, wch defycultie , w hi ch p ro miseth hope of a shorte ende, ende , but what - ~
speciall dyrections will yee sett downe for the servyces speciall dyrections will yee sett downe for the servyces
and rysinge rysinges out of these garrisons garrisons:: and rysinges rysinge out of these garrisons:: garrisons
Iren Iren: None other then the p re sente occasyons shall minister vnto Iren: Iren None other then the p re sente occasyons shall minister vnto
them , them, and as by good spialls whereof there they cannot wast want them, them , and as by good spialls whereof there they cannot wast want
store , store, they shalbee drawen contynewalle contynewallie vpon him , him, so store, store , they shalbee drawen contynewallie contynewalle vpon him, him , so
as one of them should shalbe still vpon him , him, and sometimes as one of them should shalbe still vpon him, him , and sometimes
all at one Instant , Instant, bayt him , him, and this I assure yow myself my self all at one Instant, Instant , bayt him, him , and this I assure yow my self myself
will demaund noe longe tyme , tyme, but wilbee all fynished in the will demaund noe longe tyme, tyme , but wilbee all fynished in the
space of one yeare , w hi ch yeare, wch how small a thinge yt is vnto the space of one yeare, wch yeare , w hi ch how small a thinge yt is vnto the
eternall quietnes , w hi ch quietnes, wch shalbe thereby therby bee parchased purchased to þ a y t eternall quietnes, wch quietnes , w hi ch shalbe therby thereby bee purchased parchased to y þ a t
realme , realme, And the greate good w hi ch wch shall growe to her realme, realme , And the greate good wch w hi ch shall growe to her
ma jes tie should me thincke thinckes readelie drawe on her highnes , highnes, to the ma jes tie should me thinckes thincke readelie drawe on her highnes, highnes , to the
vndertaking vndertakinge of the enterprize : : : : enterprize:::: vndertakinge vndertaking of the enterprize:::: enterprize : : : :
Eudox: Ye haue verie well mee semes Irenius plotted a course Eudox: Ye haue verie well mee semes Irenius plotted a course
for the atcheivinge of these warrs , warrs, now in Ireland w hi ch wch seme for the atcheivinge of these warrs, warrs , now in Ireland wch w hi ch seme
to aske noe longe tyme nor greate charge , charge, so as the effectinge theffectinge to aske noe longe tyme nor greate charge, charge , so as theffectinge the effectinge
thereof , thereof, be comitted to men of some trust & some experience as well aswell thereof, thereof , be comitted to men of some trust & some experience aswell as well
in the same Countrie as in the mann er of those seruices . ffor seruices: For if yt bee in the same Countrie as in the mann er of those seruices: For seruices . ffor if yt bee
lefte in the handes of such rawe Captaines Captaines, as are vsuallie lefte in the handes of such rawe Captaines, Captaines as are vsuallie
sent ~ sent ~
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sent out of England beinge thereto p re ferred onelye by frindshipp sent out of England beinge thereto p re ferred onelye by frindshipp
and not chosen by suffycientye yt will soone fall to ground : : ground:: and not chosen by suffycientye yt will soone fall to ground:: ground : :
Iren: Therefore it were meete (me (mee thinckes) þ a y t such Captains Captaines Iren: Therefore it were meete (mee (me thinckes) y þ a t such Captaines Captains
onelye were herevnto imployed , here vnto imployed, as haue form er lie serued in þ a y t onelye were here vnto imployed, herevnto imployed , as haue form er lie serued in y þ a t
Countrie and bene at least liveta nntes livete a n nn tes vnto theire Captaines there there: Countrie and bene at least livete a n nn tes liveta nntes vnto theire Captaines there: there
fore for otherwise beinge brought and transferred from other seruyces for fore otherwise beinge brought and transferred from other seruyces
abroad as in france in Spaine and in the lowe countries , countries, though abroad as in france in Spaine and in the lowe countries, countries , though
they bee of good experience , experience, they shall buy yt w i th great they bee of good experience, experience , they shall buy yt w i th great
losse to her ma jes tie , tie, eyther by hazardine hazardinge of there companies , companies, through losse to her ma jes tie, tie , eyther by hazardinge hazardine of there companies, companies , through
ignorance of the places and mann er of the Irishe shrvices , sh OB vices, or by ignorance of the places and mann er of the Irishe sh OB vices, shrvices , or by
losinge a great p ar te of the tyme w hi ch wch is required herevnto , herevnto, beinge losinge a great p ar te of the tyme wch w hi ch is required herevnto, herevnto , beinge
but shore shorte in w hi ch wch yt might bee fynished before they haue almost but shorte shore in wch w hi ch yt might bee fynished before they haue almost
taken out a newe lesson , lesson, or can tell what is to bee done : don n e: taken out a newe lesson, lesson , or can tell what is to bee don n e: done :
Eudox: Yow yow are noe good frind to new Captaines , Captaines, yt semes Ireni Eudox: yow Yow are noe good frind to new Captaines, Captaines , yt semes Ireni
us , þ a us, y t yow barr them from the Credite of this service : service: But to saye us, y us , þ a t yow barr them from the Credite of this service: service : But to saye
truth me thinckes yt were meete , meete, that any one before he come to bee truth me thinckes yt were meete, meete , that any one before he come to bee
a Captaine should haue bene a soldyer , soldyer, for Parere qui nescit a Captaine should haue bene a soldyer, soldyer , for Parere qui nescit
imparere , imparere, And before besydes , besydes, there is great wronge done imparere, imparere , And before besydes, besydes , there is great wronge done
to the old soldyer soldyor, from all meanes of advancem en t (w hi ch , (wch is due to the old soldyor, soldyer , (wch from all meanes of advancem en t (w hi ch is due
vnto him) is cutt of , of, by shufflinge in these newe Cutting vnto him) is cutt of, of , by shufflinge in these newe Cutting
captaines into there places , places, for w hi ch wch he hath longe serued , serued, & p er happs captaines into there places, places , for wch w hi ch he hath longe serued, serued , & p er happs
^ better deserued , deserued, But now that haue this thus thus (as I suppose fynished ^ better deserued, deserued , But now that haue thus this thus (as I suppose fynished
all the warr ; warr, and brought all thinges to that lowe ebb w hi ch ebb, wch all the warr, warr ; and brought all thinges to that lowe ebb, wch ebb w hi ch
yee speake : yee speake, what course will yee take for the bringinge in of yee speake, yee speake : what course will yee take for the bringinge in of
that reformacon , w hi ch reformac i on, wch yee intend and recou er inge all thinges fro m this that reformac i on, wch reformacon , w hi ch yee intend and recou er inge all thinges fro m this
dissolate state , state, in w hi ch wch mee thinc thin c kes I behould them now left vnto dissolate state, state , in wch w hi ch mee thin c thinc kes I behould them now left vnto
that p er fect establishm en t and newe comon com m on wealth w hi ch wch ye haue that p er fect establishm en t and newe com m on comon wealth wch w hi ch ye haue
Conceyved of w hi ch wth so greate good maye redownde to her Conceyved of wth w hi ch so greate good maye redownde to her
maiestie and in an assured peace be confirmed , confirmed, for þ a y t is maiestie and in an assured peace be confirmed, confirmed , for y þ a t is
yt wherevnto wee are yow now to looke and doe greatlie yt wherevnto wee are now yow to looke and doe greatlie
longe , for , longe, for, beinge longe sythence maid wearie , w i th wearie, wth the longe, for, longe , for , beinge longe sythence maid wearie, wth wearie , w i th the
huge charge , w hi ch charge, wch yee haue laid vpon vs , vs, and w i th wth the huge charge, wch charge , w hi ch yee haue laid vpon vs, vs , and wth w i th the
stonye endurance of so manye complaintes , so manye ~ complaintes, so manye - stonye endurance of so manye complaintes, so manye - complaintes , so manye ~
delayes , delayes, so manye doubtes and dangers , dangers, as will hereof hereof: delayes, delayes , so manye doubtes and dangers, dangers , as will hereof: hereof
(I knowe (I knowe
Folio 79r 79r; written "78" 79r; written "78" Folio 79r
78 (I knowe well) a rise, vnto the wch before (I knowe well) a rise, vnto the wch before 78
(I knowe well) arise , vnto the w hi ch before yow come, yt weere meete mee thinge thinckes yow come, yt weere meete mee thinge thinckes (I knowe well) arise , vnto the w hi ch before
that yow come , yt weere meete mee thinges thinckes should take some order for the -- yow should take some order for the -- come , yt weere meete mee thinges thinckes
that yow should take some order for the ~ ~ Soldyer, wch is now first to bee discharged Soldyer, wch is now first to bee discharged that yow should take some order for the ~ ~
Soldyer , w hi ch is now first to bee discharged and disposed of some waye, the wch yf yow doe and disposed of some waye, the wch yf yow doe Soldyer , w hi ch is now first to bee discharged
and disposed of some waye , the w hi ch yf yo u r doe not well foresee maye growe to agreate not well foresee maye growe to agreate and disposed of some waye , the w hi ch yf yo u r doe
not well foresee maye growe to a greate not well foresee maye growe to a greate
inconvenience as all this that wee suppose inconvenience as all this that wee suppose
yow haue quitte vs from , from, by the loose leauinge yow haue quitte vs from, from , by the loose leauinge
of so manye thowsand Soldyers , w hi ch Soldyers, wch from of so manye thowsand Soldyers, wch Soldyers , w hi ch from
henceforth wilbe vnfytte for any labor henceforth wilbe vnfytte for any labor
or other trade , trade, but must eyther seeke ~ - or other trade, trade , but must eyther seeke - ~
servyce and ymploym en t abroade w hi ch wch maye be servyce and ymploym en t abroade wch w hi ch maye be
dangerous , dangerous, or ells will p er happs ymploye them dangerous, dangerous , or ells will p er happs ymploye them
selues here at home as maye bee ~ - selues here at home as maye bee - ~
discomodyous discomodyous: discomodyous: discomodyous
Iren: Yow saye verie true , true, and yt is a thinge athinge Iren: Yow saye verie true, true , and yt is athinge a thinge
much mislyked in our Comon wealth , Com m on wealth, that noe much mislyked in our Com m on wealth, Comon wealth , that noe
better Course is taken , taken, for such as haue bene better Course is taken, taken , for such as haue bene
ymployed once in service , service, but that retur ymployed once in service, service , but that retur
ninge whether maymed , maymed, and so vnable to labor ninge whether maymed, maymed , and so vnable to labor
or other wise though hale hole and sound . sound, yett or other wise though hole hale and sound, sound . yett
afterwardes vnwillinge to worke , worke, or afterwardes vnwillinge to worke, worke , or
rather willinge to make worke for the rather willinge to make worke for the
hangeman But that nedeth another hangeman But that nedeth another
Consideration Consideration
Folio 79v Folio 79v
Consideracon : Consideracon: but to this that Consideracon: Consideracon : but to this that
turne to the other syd turne to the other syd
Folio 80r written in bottom right corner: that written in bottom right corner: that Folio 80r
79 80r; written "79" 80r; written "79" 79
that wee haue now in hande , hande, yt is farr from my meaninge that wee haue now in hande, hande , yt is farr from my meaninge
to leaue the soldyer , soldyer, so at randome , randome, or to leaue that to leaue the soldyer, soldyer , so at randome, randome , or to leaue that
wast waist place realme so weake and destitute of strength waist wast place realme so weake and destitute of strength
w hi ch wch maye both defende yt against others that mighte wch w hi ch maye both defende yt against others that mighte
seeke to sett vpon yt , yt, and also kepe yt from that relapse seeke to sett vpon yt, yt , and also kepe yt from that relapse
w hi ch wch I before did forecast : ffor forecast: For yt is one speciall special good wch w hi ch I before did forecast: For forecast : ffor yt is one special speciall good
of this plott w hi ch plott, wch I would deuise , deuise, that six thowsand of this plott, wch plott w hi ch I would deuise, deuise , that six thowsand
soldyers of these whome I haue now ymployed in that soldyers of these whome I haue now ymployed in that
seruice seruice, and made throughlie acquainted both w i th wth seruice, seruice and made throughlie acquainted both wth w i th
the state of the Countrie and manners of the the state of the Countrie and manners of the
people , people, should henceforthe be still contynewed and people, people , should henceforthe be still contynewed and
for ever maintayned of the Countrye w i th out Countrye, wthout any for ever maintayned of the Countrye, wthout Countrye w i th out any
charge to her ma jes tie . tie, And the rest that rest that charge to her ma jes tie, tie . And the rest that rest that
either are ould and vnable to serue longer or either are ould and vnable to serue longer or
willinge to fall to thrifte thrifte, (as I haue sene willinge to fall to thrifte, thrifte (as I haue sene
manye soldyers after theire service to proue manye soldyers after theire service to proue
verie good husbandes ) husbandes) should bee placed in p ar te of verie good husbandes) husbandes ) should bee placed in p ar te of
the landes by them won n , at such rate or rather the landes by them won n , at such rate or rather
better then others , others, to whom the same shalbe sett better then others, others , to whom the same shalbe sett
out out
Eudox: Eudox : Is it yt possible Iren Iren: , Can there bee any Eudox : Eudox: Is yt it possible Iren: Iren , Can there bee any
such meanes deuized that so manye men should such meanes deuized that so manye men should
bee kepte still for her ma jes ties service w i th out service, wthout bee kepte still for her ma jes ties service, wthout service w i th out
any charge to her at all , all, Surelie this were an any charge to her at all, all , Surelie this were an
exceding excedinge greate good both to her heighnes , too heighnes, to excedinge exceding greate good both to her heighnes, to heighnes , too
haue so manye ould soldyers ^ alwaies readye at call haue so manye ould soldyers ^ alwaies readye at call
to what purpose soever so ever shee list ymployethem : ymploye them: to what purpose so ever soever shee list ymploye them: ymployethem :
And also to haue that land thereby so strengthned And also to haue that land thereby so strengthned
that yt shall neither feare any forreine inva that yt shall neither feare any forreine inva
sion nor practize wth w hi ch wch the Irishe shall ever sion nor practize wth wch w hi ch the Irishe shall ever
attempte , attempte, but shall kepe them vnder incontynewall in contynewall attempte, attempte , but shall kepe them vnder in contynewall incontynewall
awe awe, and firme obedyence obedyence:: awe, awe and firme obedyence:: obedyence
Iren: It is so indeed , in deed, and yett this take taile trulie I doe Iren: It is so in deed, indeed , and yett this taile take trulie I doe
not take to be any matter of greate diffycultie diffycultie, as not take to be any matter of greate diffycultie, diffycultie as
I thincke I thincke
Folio 80v Folio 80v
I thincke yt will also soone appeare vnto yo u r : yow: And first I thincke yt will also soone appeare vnto yow: yo u r : And first
wee will speake of the North p ar te , te, for that the same wee will speake of the North p ar te, te , for that the same
is of most waight and ymportance , ymportance, So soone as yt is of most waight and ymportance, ymportance , So soone as yt
shall appeare that the enemye is brought downe shall appeare that the enemye is brought downe
and the stoute rebell eyther cutt of or dryven to that and the stoute rebell eyther cutt of or dryven to that
wretchednes that he is noe longer able to hold holde vpp wretchednes that he is noe longer able to holde hold vpp
hand , hand, but will come into any condycons w hi ch condyc i ons wch I assure hand, hand , but will come into any condyc i ons wch condycons w hi ch I assure
yow my self wilbee before thende of the seconde yow my self wilbee before thende of the seconde
wynter , wynter, I wishe that theire bee a gen agen er all p ro clama wynter, wynter , I wishe that theire bee agen a gen er all p ro clama
con made , made, that what so ever whatsoever outlawes will freelie con made, made , that whatsoever what so ever outlawes will freelie
come in and submite them selues to her ma jes ties m er cie come in and submite them selues to her ma jes ties m er cie
shall haue libertie so to doe doe, where they shall shall haue libertie so to doe, doe where they shall
eyther fynde that grace they desyre desyre, or retur ne return eyther fynde that grace they desyre, desyre or return retur ne
againe in saiftye vpon w hi ch wch it is likelie that so againe in saiftye vpon wch w hi ch it is likelie that so
manye as surviue will come in to sue for grace manye as surviue will come in to sue for grace
of w hi ch wch who so are thought fytte meetest meete fytte for subiection and fytte to bee of wch w hi ch who so are thought meete fytte fytte meetest for subiection and fytte to bee
brought to good maye bee receaved or ells all of brought to good maye bee receaved or ells all of
them , them, for I thincke that albe wilbe but a verie fewe , averie fewe, them, them , for I thincke that albe wilbe but averie fewe, a verie fewe ,
vpon Condycon , Condycon, and assurance that they will submit vpon Condycon, Condycon , and assurance that they will submit
them selues absolutelie to her ma jes ties ordynance for them selues absolutelie to her ma jes ties ordynance for
them , them, by w hi ch wch they shalbe assured of lyfe and libertie them, them , by wch w hi ch they shalbe assured of lyfe and libertie
and bee onelie tyed to such condycons as shalbe and bee onelie tyed to such condycons as shalbe
thought by her meete , meete, for contayninge them ever thought by her meete, meete , for contayninge them ever
after in due obedyence obedyence: To the w hi ch wch Condycons I after in due obedyence: obedyence To the wch w hi ch Condycons I
nothinge doubte but that they this will all most ~ -- nothinge doubte but that this they will all most -- ~
readylie and vpon theire knees submitte them readylie and vpon theire knees submitte them
selues , selues, by the proof of that w hi ch wch I sawe in selues, selues , by the proof of that wch w hi ch I sawe in
Mounster . for vpon the like p ro clamacon clamac i on there Mounster . for vpon the like p ro clamac i on clamacon there
they all came in tagge and ragge and when they all came in tagge and ragge and when
as afterwardes manie of them were denyed to as afterwardes manie of them were denyed to
bee receaued , receaued, they badd them doe w i th wth them what bee receaued, receaued , they badd them doe wth w i th them what
they would they would
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80 they would by noe meanes returne againe, nor goe they would by noe meanes returne againe, nor goe 80
they would by noe meanes returne againe , nor goe forthe, for in that case who will not accepte almost forthe, for in that case who will not accepte almost they would by noe meanes returne againe , nor goe
forthe , for in that case who will not accepte almost of anye Condycons, rather then dye of hunger and of anye Condycons, rather then dye of hunger and forthe , for in that case who will not accepte almost
of any Condycons , rather then dye of hunger and myserie:: myserie:: of any Condycons , rather then dye of hunger and
myserie : : Eudox: It is verie likelie so, but what then is the Eudox: It is verie likelie so, but what then is the myserie : :
Eudox: It is verie likelie so , but ordynance, and what then is bee the Condycons wch yow ordynance, and Eudox: It is verie likelie so , but what bee then is the Condycons wch yow
ordynance and what bee the Condycons w hi ch yow will propose vnto them, that shall reserue vnto will propose vnto them, that shall reserue vnto ordynance and what bee the Condycons w hi ch yow
them , that shall reserue vnto an assurance of lyfe and lybertie: will propose vnto them an assurance of lyfe and lybertie: , that shall reserue vnto
them an assurance of lyfe and lybertie : them an assurance of lyfe and lybertie :
Iren: So soone then as they haue gyven the best Iren: So soone then as they haue gyven the best
assurance of lyfe and libertie them selues w hi ch wch assurance of lyfe and libertie them selues wch w hi ch
maye bee required w hi ch required, wch must bee I suppose some maye bee required, wch required w hi ch must bee I suppose some
of theire principall men to remaine in hostage of theire principall men to remaine in hostage
one of another , another, and some other for the rest rest, (for one of another, another , and some other for the rest, rest (for
other suertie I recken of none that maye bynd other suertie I recken of none that maye bynd
them , them, neyther of wyfe nor of Children , Children, since them, them , neyther of wyfe nor of Children, Children , since
then p er happs they would gladlie bee rydd of both then p er happs they would gladlie bee rydd of both
from the famyne famyne) I would haue them first from the famyne) famyne I would haue them first
vnarmed vtterlie vtterlie, and stripte quite of all there vnarmed vtterlie, vtterlie and stripte quite of all there
warlike weapons , weapons, and then these Condicons sett warlike weapons, weapons , and then these Condicons sett
downe and made knowen vnto them , them, that they downe and made knowen vnto them, them , that they
shalbe brought and removed w i th wth such creete shalbe brought and removed wth w i th such creete
as they haue haiue into lymster , lymster, where they shalbe as they haiue haue into lymster, lymster , where they shalbe
placed , placed, and haue land gyven them to occupye and placed, placed , and haue land gyven them to occupye and
lyve vpon in such sorte as shalbe come good subiectes lyve vpon in such sorte as shalbe come good subiectes
to labour thence forth thenceforth, for theire lyvinge , lyvinge, and to to labour thenceforth, thence forth for theire lyvinge, lyvinge , and to
applye them selues vnto honest trades of Civillitie applye them selues vnto honest trades of Civillitie
as they shall eu er ie one bee found meete and able for : for: as they shall eu er ie one bee found meete and able for: for :
Eudox: Where then a godes agodes name will ye place Eudox: Where then agodes a godes name will ye place
them in s Lynster , S Lynster, or will yow fynde out any newe them in S Lynster, s Lynster , or will yow fynde out any newe
land there for them that is yett vnknowen : vnknowen:: land there for them that is yett vnknowen:: vnknowen :
Iren: Noe I will place them in all the Countrye of Iren: Noe I will place them in all the Countrye of
the Byrnes and Tooles w hi ch Tooles, wch feagh mc m c Hugh hath the Byrnes and Tooles, wch Tooles w hi ch feagh m c mc Hugh hath
and in all the landes of the Cavanaghes w hi ch wch are and in all the landes of the Cavanaghes wch w hi ch are
now in now in
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nowe in Rebellyon , Rebellyon, and all the landes w hi ch well wch will fall to her ma herma jes tie nowe in Rebellyon, Rebellyon , and all the landes wch will w hi ch well fall to herma her ma jes tie
there aboutes , w hi ch aboutes, wch I knowe to bee verie spacio spaci o us and large ~ large- there aboutes, wch aboutes , w hi ch I knowe to bee verie spaci o spacio us and large- large ~
yeanough to contayne them , them, beinge verie nere twentye yeanough to contayne them, them , beinge verie nere twentye
or thirtie myles wyde : wyde: or thirtie myles wyde: wyde :
Eudox: But what then will ye doe w i th wth all the Byrnes the Eudox: But what then will ye doe wth w i th all the Byrnes the
Tooles and the Cavanaghes , Cavanaghes, and all those that now are Tooles and the Cavanaghes, Cavanaghes , and all those that now are
wyned w i th them : ioyned wth them: ioyned wth them: wyned w i th them :
Iren: At the same verie tyme and in the same mann er that I Iren: At the same verie tyme and in the same mann er that I
make that I make that proclamacon to them of Vlster Vlster, make that I make that proclamacon to them of Vlster, Vlster
will I also haue yt made to these , these, and vpon there will I also haue yt made to these, these , and vpon there
submission there vnto therevnto I will take lyke assurance submission therevnto there vnto I will take lyke assurance
of them as of thother in Vlster w i th wth theire Creete of them as of thother in Vlster wth w i th theire Creete
and what elce they haue lefte them , them, the w hi ch wch I will and what elce they haue lefte them, them , the wch w hi ch I will
cause to be deuided amongst them in some meete sorte cause to be deuided amongst them in some meete sorte
as each maye thereby haue some what to sustaine as each maye thereby haue some what to sustaine
him self a while w i th all awhile wthall vntill by his further him self awhile wthall a while w i th all vntill by his further
travell and labor of the earth he shalbe able travell and labor of the earth he shalbe able
to provide him self better : : better:: to provide him self better:: better : :
Eudox : Eudox: But will yow then giue the lande freelie vnto the m Eudox: Eudox : But will yow then giue the lande freelie vnto the m
and make them heires of the form er Rebells , Rebells, so and make them heires of the form er Rebells, Rebells , so
may yow p er happs make them heires also of theire may yow p er happs make them heires also of theire
form er villaines villanies and disorders , disorders, or how elce will form er villanies villaines and disorders, disorders , or how elce will
yow dispose of them . them: yow dispose of them: them .
Iren: Not so , so, but all the landes I will v giue vnto Iren: Not so, so , but all the landes I will v giue vnto
Englishe men , men, whom I will haue drawne thither Englishe men, men , whom I will haue drawne thither
who shall haue the same w i th wth such estates as ~ - who shall haue the same wth w i th such estates as - ~
shalbe thought meete , meete, and for such rent as shalbe shalle shalbe thought meete, meete , and for such rent as shalle shalbe
eftesoones bee rated , rated, vnder eu er ie of those Englishe eftesoones bee rated, rated , vnder eu er ie of those Englishe
men will I place some of those Irishe to bee men will I place some of those Irishe to bee
the tennantes , the tennantes, for a certaine acertaine rent according to the the tennantes, the tennantes , for acertaine a certaine rent according to the
quantitie of such ofsuch lande as eu er ie man shall haue quantitie ofsuch of such lande as eu er ie man shall haue
allotted vnto him him, and shalbe found albe able to weeld , allotted vnto him, him , and shalbe found able albe to weeld
wherein wherein
Folio 82r 82r; written "81" 82r; written "81" Folio 82r
81 wherein this speciall regarde shalbe had, that in wherein this speciall regarde shalbe had, that in 81
wherein this speciall regarde shalbe had , that in wherein this speciall regarde shalbe had , that in
noe place vnder any landlorde there shall remaine noe place vnder any landlorde there shall remaine
of them planted togeather , togeather, but disp er sed wyde of them planted togeather, togeather , but disp er sed wyde
from theire acquaintances , acquaintances, and scattred farr a from theire acquaintances, acquaintances , and scattred farr a
broade through all the Countrie , ffor Countrie, For that is broade through all the Countrie, For Countrie , ffor that is
the euill w hi ch wch I nowe fynde in all Ireland , Ireland, that the euill wch w hi ch I nowe fynde in all Ireland, Ireland , that
the Irishe dwell altogeather by theire septes the Irishe dwell altogeather by theire septes
and sou seu er all nacons , nacons, so as they maye practise and seu sou er all nacons, nacons , so as they maye practise
or conspyre what they will , will, whereas yf there or conspyre what they will, will , whereas yf there
wore were Englishe shedd amongst them and placed were wore Englishe shedd amongst them and placed
over them they should not bee able once to styrr or over them they should not bee able once to styrr or
mvrmure , mvrmure, but that yt should bee knowne , knowne, and mvrmure, mvrmure , but that yt should bee knowne, knowne , and
they shortened accordinge to there demerites : demerites: they shortened accordinge to there demerites: demerites :
Eudox Eudox: Ye haue good reason , reason, but what rating Eudox: Eudox Ye haue good reason, reason , but what rating
of rentes meane yow to what ende doe yow purpose of rentes meane yow to what ende doe yow purpose
the same : : same:: the same:: same : :
Iren: My purpose is to rate the rente of all those Iren: My purpose is to rate the rente of all those
landes of her ma jes tie in such sorte vnto those landes of her ma jes tie in such sorte vnto those
Englishe men as shall take them as they maye Englishe men as shall take them as they maye
bee well able to lyve therevpon , therevpon, yeildinge her bee well able to lyve therevpon, therevpon , yeildinge her
ma jes tie a reasonable cheiferie and also giue a ma jes tie a reasonable cheiferie and also giue a
Competente maintenance vnto the garrissons Competente maintenance vnto the garrissons
w hi ch wch shall there bee lefte amongst them . ffor them. For wch w hi ch shall there bee lefte amongst them. For them . ffor
these soldyers , soldyors, (as I tould you yow remayninge of the these soldyors, soldyers , (as I tould yow you remayninge of the
form er garrisons , garrisons, I caste to . OB maintaine vpon ^ vpon the rent of those form er garrisons, garrisons , I caste to OB . maintaine vpon vpon ^ the rent of those
landes w hi ch wch shalbe excheated , excheated, and to haue them landes wch w hi ch shalbe excheated, excheated , and to haue them
deuided through all Ireland , Ireland, in such places as deuided through all Ireland, Ireland , in such places as
shalbe thought most conveniente , conveniente, and occasion shalbe thought most conveniente, conveniente , and occasion
maye require , require, And this was the Course of maye require, require , And this was the Course of
the Romaines obserued in the Conquest of England the Romaines obserued in the Conquest of England
for they planted of theire legions in all places - for they planted of theire legions in all places -
Convenient Convenient
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Conveninet the w hi ch Conveniente the wch they caused the Countrie to maintaine Conveniente the wch Conveninet the w hi ch they caused the Countrie to maintaine
cuttinge vpon eu er ie porcon of all land a reasonable rente cuttinge vpon eu er ie porcon of all land a reasonable rente
w hi ch wch they called Romescot. Romescot e the w hi ch wch might not surcharge wch w hi ch they called Romescot e Romescot. the wch w hi ch might not surcharge
the Tennante or freeholdyer , freeholdyer, and defraye the pay the Tennante or freeholdyer, freeholdyer , and defraye the pay
of the garrison : garrison: And this hath bene alwayes of the garrison: garrison : And this hath bene alwayes
obserued in all places princes in all Countries to obserued in all places princes in all Countries to
them newlie subdued to sett garrisons amongst them newlie subdued to sett garrisons amongst
them to Containe them in duetie , duetie, whose burden they them to Containe them in duetie, duetie , whose burden they
made them to beare beare, And the wante of this ondy ordy made them to beare, beare And the wante of this ordy ondy
nance in the first Conqueste of Ireland , Ireland, by nance in the first Conqueste of Ireland, Ireland , by
Henrye the second was the cause of the so shorte Henrye the second was the cause of the so shorte
decaye of that gou er ern m en t , and the quicke recou er ie againe decaye of that gou ern er m en t , and the quicke recou er ie againe
of the Irishe . Irishe: Therefore by all meanes yt is to of the Irishe: Irishe . Therefore by all meanes yt is to
bee prouided for : for: And this is yt that I would blame bee prouided for: for : And this is yt that I would blame
(yfyt (yf yt should not misbecome me ) me), in the late plan (yf yt (yfyt should not misbecome me), me ) in the late plan
tinge of mvnster , Mvnster, that noe care was had of tinge of Mvnster, mvnster , that noe care was had of
this ordynance , ordynance, nor any strength of a garrison ~ ~ garrison, -- this ordynance, ordynance , nor any strength of a garrison, -- garrison ~ ~
pruvyded for : provyded for: by a certaine allowance out of all provyded for: pruvyded for : by a certaine allowance out of all
the saide landes , landes, but onelye the p re sent profytt the saide landes, landes , but onelye the p re sent profytt
looked vnto , vnto, and the saif Contynewance thereof looked vnto, vnto , and the saif Contynewance thereof
ever hereafter neglected : here after neglected: ever here after neglected: hereafter neglected :
Eudox: But there is a band aband of soldyors laid in Mounster Eudox: But there is aband a band of soldyors laid in Mounster
to the maintenance of w hi ch , wch, what oddes is there to the maintenance of wch, w hi ch , what oddes is there
or that whe there the Quene receyvethinge receyveth inge the rente of or that whe there the Quene receyveth inge receyvethinge the rente of
the Countrie Countrie, doe guie giue paye at her pleasure , or pleasure, Or the Countrie, Countrie doe giue guie paye at her pleasure, Or pleasure , or
that there bee a settled , asettled allowance appointed vnto that there bee , asettled a settled allowance appointed vnto
them out of her landes there : there:, them out of her landes there:, there :
Iren: There is greate oddis , ffor now , oddes, For now, that said rent of Iren: There is greate oddes, For now, oddis , ffor now , that said rent of
the Countrie is not vusuallie vsuallie applyed to the paye the Countrie is not vsuallie vusuallie applyed to the paye
paye of the soldyers , soldyers, But yt is (eu er ie other occasi on occasio n paye of the soldyers, soldyers , But yt is (eu er ie other occasio n occasi on
cominge betwene , betwene, converted to other vses , vses, and cominge betwene, betwene , converted to other vses, vses , and
the soldyer in tymes of peace discharged , and the soldyer in tymes of peace discharged , and
neglected as vnnecessarie , vnnecessarie, where as , as, yf the said neglected as vnnecessarie, vnnecessarie , where as, as , yf the said
Rent were Rent were
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Rente were appointed and ordayned by astablishment a stablishment Rente were appointed and ordayned by a stablishment astablishment
to this ende onelie , onelie, it should bee so troubled w i th wth to this ende onelie, onelie , it should bee so troubled wth w i th
sendinge eu ou er newe soldyers as shee now is is, nor sendinge ou eu er newe soldyers as shee now is, is nor
the Countrie eu er should dare to mutine , mutine, having the Countrie eu er should dare to mutine, mutine , having
still the soldyer in theire necke , necke, nor any farther further still the soldyer in theire necke, necke , nor any further farther
forreyne Enemie , Enemie, dare to in vade , Knowing ~ vade, knowing - forreyne Enemie, Enemie , dare to in vade, knowing - vade , Knowing ~
there so stronge a garryson , agarryson, alwayes redye to there so stronge agarryson, a garryson , alwayes redye to
receyve them him : receyve them him :
Eudox: Sith then ye thincke this Romescott of the Eudox: Sith then ye thincke this Romescott of the
paye of the soldyer vpon the land to bee both the ~ paye of the soldyer vpon the land to bee both the ~
redyest waye to the soldyer , soldyer, and lesse troublesome troblesome redyest waye to the soldyer, soldyer , and lesse troblesome troublesome
to hir ma jes tie , tell vs I praye yow yow, how ye would to hir ma jes tie tell vs I praye yow, yow , how ye would
haue the said landes rated , rated, that both a rente maye haue the said landes rated, rated , that both a rente maye
cesse the said landes rente and allowance , allowance, yssuinge cesse the said landes rente and allowance, allowance , yssuinge
thereout : there out: Vlster as the Auncient recordes , recordes, of there out: thereout : Vlster as the Auncient recordes, recordes , of
that realme doe restefye , testefye, doth containe Nyne that realme doe testefye, restefye , doth containe Nyne
thowsand plowe landes , landes, eu er ie of w hi ch plowlandes , contey wch plowlandes, contay thowsand plowe landes, landes , eu er ie of wch plowlandes, contay w hi ch plowlandes , contey
neth six score acres , acres, after the rate of xxj foote neth six score acres, acres , after the rate of xxj foote
to eu er ie pearch of the said Acree w hi ch Acree, wch amounteth to eu er ie pearch of the said Acree, wch Acree w hi ch amounteth
in the whole vnto ... vnto: 124 1240000 acres , acres, Every of in the whole vnto: 124 vnto ... 1240000 acres, acres , Every of
w hi ch wch plowe landes I will rate at xlvjs gd xlvj s 8 d wch w hi ch plowe landes I will rate at xlvj s 8 d xlvjs gd
by the yere , w hi ch yere, wch is not much more then jd j d ob an by the yere, wch yere , w hi ch is not much more then j d jd ob an
acree , acree, the w hi ch wch yerelie rente amounteth to in acree, acree , the wch w hi ch yerelie rente amounteth to in
the whole to xxiij mli xviij m l. , But because the Countie the whole to xviij m l. xxiij mli , But because the Countie
of Louth beinge a p ar te of Vlster and contayning of Louth beinge a p ar te of Vlster and contayning
in yt vijl vij l and xij plowlandes , plowlandes, is not wholie to excheate in yt vij l vijl and xij plowlandes, plowlandes , is not wholie to excheate
vnto her ma jes tie , as the rest , rest, they havinge in all ~ - vnto her ma jes tie , as the rest, rest , they havinge in all - ~
these warres contynewed , contynewed, for the most p ar te due these warres contynewed, contynewed , for the most p ar te due
tifull , tifull, though otherwise a greate agreate p ar te thereof tifull, tifull , though otherwise agreate a greate p ar te thereof
is now vnder the Rebells to be made here out of iiij C l or v C , there is an abatem en t plowlandes to be made here out of iiij C l or v C is now vnder the Rebells , plowlandes there is an abatem en t
as I estymate the same, the wch are not to be made here out of iiij Cl or vC plowlandes pay to pay be made here out of iiij Cl or vC plowlandes
as I estymate the same , the w hi ch are not to pay as I estymate the same , the w hi ch are not to pay
the whole the whole
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the whole yerelie rente of xls ^ xl s out of eu er ie plowland , plowland, lyke the whole yerelie rente of xl s xls ^ out of eu er ie plowland, plowland , lyke
as the excheated landes doe but yett shall paye as the excheated landes doe but yett shall paye
for there Composition of Cesse towardes the ~ - for there Composition of Cesse towardes the - ~
maintenance of the soldyer , xxs soldyer, xx s out of eu er y plowe maintenance of the soldyer, xx s soldyer , xxs out of eu er y plowe
lande , lande, so as there is to be deducted out of the form er lande, lande , so as there is to be deducted out of the form er
some ij or iijCl iij C l yerelie the w hi ch wch may never the some ij or iij C l iijCl yerelie the wch w hi ch may never the
lesse bee supplyde w i th supplyed wth by the rent of the fishing fishinge lesse bee supplyed wth supplyde w i th by the rent of the fishinge fishing
w hi ch wch are excedinge greate in Vlster , Vlster, and also wch w hi ch are excedinge greate in Vlster, Vlster , and also
by an increase of rente in the best landes , landes, and by an increase of rente in the best landes, landes , and
those that lye in the best places nere the seacoste those that lye in the best places nere the seacoste
The w hi ch The, wch eightene thowsand plowe poundes , pl OB e poundes, will The, wch The w hi ch eightene thowsand pl OB e poundes, plowe poundes , will
defraye the entertainem en t of xvC xv C soldyers w i th wth some defraye the entertainem en t of xv C xvC soldyers wth w i th some
overplus toward the paye of the victualls , w hi ch victualls, wch are to overplus toward the paye of the victualls, wch victualls , w hi ch are to
bee imployed in victuallinge of these garrisons : garrisons: bee imployed in victuallinge of these garrisons: garrisons :
Eudox: So then be like belike yee meane to leaue xvC xv C soldyers Eudox: So then belike be like yee meane to leaue xv C xvC soldyers
in garrison , garrison, for Vlster to bee paid p ri ncipallie r incipallie out of in garrison, garrison , for Vlster to bee paid p r incipallie ri ncipallie out of
the rente of those landes w hi ch wch shall there excheate excheat the rente of those landes wch w hi ch shall there excheat excheate
vnto her ma jes tie , The w hi ch wch where I praye yow will vnto her ma jes tie , The wch w hi ch where I praye yow will
yow haue garrisond : garrisond: yow haue garrisond: garrisond :
Iren: I will haue them deuided into three p ar tes tes, that is vC v C Iren: I will haue them deuided into three p ar tes, tes that is v C vC
in everie garrizon , garrizon, the w hi ch wch I will haue to remaine in everie garrizon, garrizon , the wch w hi ch I will haue to remaine
in three of the said places , places, where they weree weree, in three of the said places, places , where they weree, weree
before appointed , appointed, to weete , vC weete, v C at Straban and before appointed, appointed , to weete, v C weete , vC at Straban and
about Loghfoyle Logh foyle, and so as they maye holde all the passages about Logh foyle, Loghfoyle and so as they maye holde all the passages
of that p ar te of the Countrie , Countrie, and some of them bee putt of that p ar te of the Countrie, Countrie , and some of them bee putt
in wardes inwardes vpon all the straightes there aboutes , w hi ch thereaboutes, wch I inwardes in wardes vpon all the straightes thereaboutes, wch there aboutes , w hi ch I
know to bee such as maye stope stopp all passages into the know to bee such as maye stopp stope all passages into the
Countrie on that syde , syde, and some of them also vpon Countrie on that syde, syde , and some of them also vpon
the Ban vpp towardes loghsydiney loghsydney as I form er lie the Ban vpp towardes loghsydney loghsydiney as I form er lie
dyrected . dyrected, Also other vC v C at the Logh forte vpon dyrected, dyrected . Also other v C vC at the Logh forte vpon
Logh Earne Earne, and wardes taken out of them , w hi ch ~ them, wch - Logh Earne, Earne and wardes taken out of them, wch - them , w hi ch ~
shalbe layde shalbe layde
Folio 84r 84r; written "83" 84r; written "83" Folio 84r
83 shalbe laid at fermanagh at Belicke, at Ballyshanno n , shalbe laid at fermanagh at Belicke, at Ballyshanno n , 83
shalbe laid at sermanagh at Belicke , at Ballyshanno and on all the straightes towardes Connagh, the and on all the straightes towardes Connagh, the shalbe laid at sermanagh at Belicke , at Ballyshanno
and on wch I knowe doe so strongelie Com m aund all the straightes towardes Connagh , the - wch I knowe doe so strongelie Com m aund and on all the - straightes towardes Connagh , the
w hi ch I knowe passages, that maye as that now none can doe so strongelie Comand all the ~ passe, passages, that maye as that now none can w hi ch I knowe doe passe, so strongelie Comand all the ~
passages , that maye as that now none can doe passe , from Vlster into Connaght wthout theire leaue from Vlster into Connaght wthout theire leaue passages , that maye as that now none can doe passe ,
from Vlster into Connaght w i th out The last v C , shall also remaine at theire leaue fortes The last v C , shall also remaine at from Vlster into Connaght w i th out theire fortes leaue
The last vC shall also remaine at theire fortes in Monoghan, and some of them bee drawen into in Monoghan, and some of them bee drawen into The last vC shall also remaine at theire fortes
in Monoghan and some wardes, to kepe the keyes of them bee drawen into all that Countrie wardes, to kepe the keyes in Monoghan and some of all that Countrie them bee drawen into
wardes , to kepe the keyes of all that both Downewardes and also towardes Orelies Countrie both Downewardes and also towardes Orelies wardes , to kepe the keyes of all that Countrie
and also towardes Orelies Countrie the pale as some at Eniskilline, some at both downe wardes and the pale as some at Eniskilline, some at also towardes Orelies Countrie
Belterberte, some at the pale as some at Eniskilline , some at Blacke forte, and so along and so along the Blacke forte, pale as some at Eniskilline , some at
Belterberte , some at the Blacke forte , and so along Belterberte , some at the Blacke forte , and so along
that ryver as I form er lie shewed in the first that ryver as I form er lie shewed in the first
plantinge of them , them, And more over at eu er ie of these plantinge of them, them , And more over at eu er ie of these
fortes fortes, I would haue the state of a towne layde fortes, fortes I would haue the state of a towne layde
forth forth, and in compassed , compassed, in the w hi ch wch I would wishe forth, forth and in compassed, compassed , in the wch w hi ch I would wishe
that theire should Inhabytantes of all ofall sortes or that theire should Inhabytantes ofall of all sortes or
m er chantes Artyfycers and husbanmen to bee placed m er chantes Artyfycers and husbanmen to bee placed
to whom there should Charters and ffranchises Franchises to whom there should Charters and Franchises ffranchises
bee granted to incorporate them the w hi ch wch as yt bee granted to incorporate them the wch w hi ch as yt
is wilbe noe matter of deffycultie to drawe is wilbe noe matter of deffycultie to drawe
out of England p er sons w hi ch wch wold verie gladlie out of England p er sons wch w hi ch wold verie gladlie
bee so placed , placed, so would yt in shorte spaces space bee so placed, placed , so would yt in shorte space spaces
turne those p ar tes to greate comodytie , and ~ ~ - turne those p ar tes to greate comodytie , and - ~ ~
bringe ere long to her ma jes tie much profytte for bringe ere long to her ma jes tie much profytte for
those places , places, are so fytte for trade and traffyque those places, places , are so fytte for trade and traffyque
havinge most convenient out gates outgates by ryvers to havinge most convenient outgates out gates by ryvers to
thee sea and ingates to the rytchest p ar te of thee sea and ingates to the rytchest p ar te of
the lande , lande, that they would soone bee enriched the lande, lande , that they would soone bee enriched
and mightelie enlarged , enlarged, for the verie seating and mightelie enlarged, enlarged , for the verie seating
of the garrisons by them besydes the saiftye and of the garrisons by them besydes the saiftye and
assurance w hi ch wch they shall worke vnto them assurance wch w hi ch they shall worke vnto them
will also will also
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will also . drawe thither score store of people and trade, will also . drawe thither store score of people and trade,
as I haue sene ensampled at Mariburgh and ~~ -- as I haue sene ensampled at Mariburgh and -- ~~
Phillipstowne in lemster , leinster, where by reason Phillipstowne in leinster, lemster , where by reason
of those too fortes , fortes, though there were but small of those too fortes, fortes , though there were but small
wardes lefte in them , them, there are towe goode wardes lefte in them, them , there are towe goode
townes now growen , w hi ch growen, wch are the greatest stay townes now growen, wch growen , w hi ch are the greatest stay
of both those tow Counties Counties: of both those tow Counties: Counties
Eudox: Indeed mee semes seemes three such townes as Eudox: Indeed mee seemes semes three such townes as
yee saye would doe verie well in those places pla ces yee saye would doe verie well in those pla ces places
w i th wth the garrisons , garrisons, and in shorte space woulde wth w i th the garrisons, garrisons , and in shorte space woulde
bee so augmented , augmented, as they would bee able w i th wth bee so augmented, augmented , as they would bee able wth w i th
lyttle helpe to wall them selues stronglie lyttle helpe to wall them selues stronglie
But for the plantinge of all the rest of the But for the plantinge of all the rest of the
Countrie Countrie, what order would yee take . take:. Countrie, Countrie what order would yee take:. take .
Iren: What other then as I said to bringe men people Iren: What other then as I said to bringe men people
out of England , w hi ch England, wch should inhabite in habite the same , same, out of England, wch England , w hi ch should in habite inhabite the same, same ,
where vnto wherevnto though I doubte not but greate great troupes wherevnto where vnto though I doubte not but great greate troupes
would bee readye to run , run, yet for that in would bee readye to run, run , yet for that in
such Cases , Cases, the worst and most decayed men such Cases, Cases , the worst and most decayed men
are most readye to remoue I would wishe are most readye to remoue I would wishe
them rather to bee chosen out of all p ar tes of them rather to bee chosen out of all p ar tes of
this Realme , Realme, eyther by discression of wise this Realme, Realme , eyther by discression of wise
men there vnto appointed or by lott lott, or by the men there vnto appointed or by lott, lott or by the
drum drum, as was the ^ ould vse of the ould in sendinge drum, drum as was the ^ ould vse of the ould in sendinge
forthe of Collonies or such other good meanes as forthe of Collonies or such other good meanes as
shall in theire wisdome bee thought metest metest, shall in theire wisdome bee thought metest, metest
Amongst the cheif of w hi ch wch I would haue Amongst the cheif of wch w hi ch I would haue
the land sett into signories , signories, in such sorte a the land sett into signories, signories , in such sorte a
as yt is nowe in Mounster , Mounster, and devyded into as yt is nowe in Mounster, Mounster , and devyded into
hundredes hundredes
Folio 85r 85r; written "84" 85r; written "84" Folio 85r
84 hundredes and p ar ishes, or wardes as yt is in England hundredes and p ar ishes, or wardes as yt is in England 84
and p ar ishes or wardes layde out in England shires, as yt is was auncientlie, vizt hundreds and layde out p ar ishes or wardes as yt was auncientlie, vizt is in shires, England
and layde out in shires , as yt was auncientlie , vizt the Countie of Downe , the Countye of Antrian: the Countie of Downe , the Countye of Antrian: and layde out in shires , as yt was auncientlie , vizt
the Countie of Downe the Countye of Antrian: the Countie of Lowthe , the Countie of Armagh the Countie of Lowthe , the Countie of Armagh the Countie of Downe the Countye of Antrian:
the Countie of Lowthe the Countie of Armagh the Countie of Cauan: the Countie of Colrane, the the Countie of Cauan: the Countie of Colrane, the the Countie of Lowthe the Countie of Armagh
the Countie of Cauan: Countie of Monahon the Countie of Tirone , the Countie of Monahon the Countie of Cauan: the Countie of Tirone , the
Countie of Fermanagh the countie of Donergall Countie of Fermanagh the countie of Donergall
beinge in all Ten : Teiz: over all w hi ch wch I wishe a beinge in all Teiz: Ten : over all wch w hi ch I wishe a
Lord : Lord: President and a Counsell to bee placed Lord: Lord : President and a Counsell to bee placed
w hi ch wch maye kepe them afterwardes in awe and wch w hi ch maye kepe them afterwardes in awe and
obedyence , obedyence, and minister vnto them iustice and equalie equitie obedyence, obedyence , and minister vnto them iustice and equitie equalie
Eudox: Thus I see the whole parpose purpose of yo u r yor Eudox: Thus I see the whole purpose parpose of yor yo u r
plott for Vlster and now I desyre to heare plott for Vlster and now I desyre to heare
yo u r lyk... yor lyke OB opynion for Connagh : Connagh: yor lyke OB yo u r lyk... opynion for Connagh: Connagh :
Iren: By that w hi ch wch I haue alreadye said of Vlster Iren: By that wch w hi ch I haue alreadye said of Vlster
yee maye gather my opynion for Connagh beinge yee maye gather my opynion for Connagh beinge
verie answerable vnto the form er . , But for that the verie answerable vnto the form er , . But for that the
land w hi ch wch there in shall excheate vnto her ma jes tie land wch w hi ch there in shall excheate vnto her ma jes tie
are not so entyrelie togeather as that they cann are not so entyrelie togeather as that they cann
bee accounted into one Sum m , yt nedeth that they bee bee accounted into one Sum m , yt nedeth that they bee
considered seu er allie , allie, The province of Cormagh Connagh conteyne th considered seu er allie, allie , The province of Connagh Cormagh conteyne th
in the whole (as appeareth by the record at in the whole (as appeareth by the record at
Dubline ) Dubline, vij thowsand and towe hundred plowe landes Dubline, Dubline ) vij thowsand and towe hundred plowe landes
of the form er measure and is of late deuided into of the form er measure and is of late deuided into
six shires or Counties , Counties, The Countie of Clare six shires or Counties, Counties , The Countie of Clare
the Countie of Letrim the Countie of Roscaman the Countie of Letrim the Countie of Roscaman
the Countie of Galway the Countye of Maio the Countie of Galway the Countye of Maio
and the Countye of Slighah lagh: of the w hi ch Slig ah lagh : of the wch all the and the Countye of Slig ah lagh : of the wch Slighah lagh: of the w hi ch all the
Countie of Sligagh Sligan Sligah all the Countie of Countie of Sligagh Sligah Sligan all the Countie of
Maio , the most p ar te of the Countie of Roscaman Maio , the most p ar te of the Countie of Roscaman
the most p ar te of the Countie of Letrim a greate Lietrim agreat the most p ar te of the Countie of Lietrim agreat Letrim a greate
p ar te of the Countie of Galway and some of p ar te of the Countie of Galway and some of
the Countie the Countie
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Countye of Clare is lyke to excheate vnto her Countye of Clare is lyke to excheate vnto her
ma jes tie , for the Rebellion of theire p re sent possessers possessors ma jes tie , for the Rebellion of theire p re sent possessors possessers
The w hi ch wch towe counties of Sligah and Maio are The wch w hi ch towe counties of Sligah and Maio are
supposed to containe containe, almost iijm plowlandes , iij m plowlandes, the supposed to containe, containe almost iij m plowlandes, iijm plowlandes , the
rate whereof ratablie to the form er , I vallewe rate whereof ratablie to the form er , I vallewe
almost at vjml vj m l p er ann um the Countye of Roscaman Roscamon almost at vj m l vjml p er ann um the Countye of Roscamon Roscaman
savinge what p er tayneth to the howse of Roscomen Roscomon savinge what p er tayneth to the howse of Roscomon Roscomen
and some fewe other englishe there latelie sealed seated and some fewe other englishe there latelie seated sealed
is all out : out: And therefore yt is wholie lykewise likewise is all out: out : And therefore yt is wholie likewise lykewise
to escheate to her ma jes tie , savinge those porcons of to escheate to her ma jes tie , savinge those porcons of
the Englishe inhabytantes , in habytantes, and even those Englishe English the Englishe in habytantes, inhabytantes , and even those English Englishe
doe as I vnderstand ^ by th e m ym paye as much rent to her doe as I vnderstand ^ by ym th e m paye as much rent to her
maiestie as ys sett vpon those in Vlster ~ - maiestie as ys sett vpon those in Vlster - ~
Countine Countinge theire Composicion monye there w i th all wthall Countinge Countine theire Composicion monye there wthall w i th all
so as yt maye run all awaye into one reckoning so as yt maye run all awaye into one reckoning
w i th wth the form er two Counties , Counties, So that this Countie wth w i th the form er two Counties, Counties , So that this Countie
of Rescomon conteyning xijC Roscomon contayning xij C plowlandes as yt is ~ ~ -- of Roscomon contayning xij C Rescomon conteyning xijC plowlandes as yt is -- ~ ~
accounted amounteth a mounteth to ij m : iiijC poundes , m: iiij C poundes, by the yeare accounted a mounteth amounteth to ij m: iiij C poundes, m : iiijC poundes , by the yeare
w hi ch w i th wch wth the form er twoe two counties rent maketh about wch wth w hi ch w i th the form er two twoe counties rent maketh about
viij m viij Cl C l , for the form er wanted some what , what, But what viij m viij C l Cl , for the form er wanted some what, what , But what
yee excheated landes of the countyes of Gallway Galway and Lietrim yee excheated landes of the countyes of Galway Gallway and Lietrim
will rise vnto , vnto, is yett vncertaine to define , define, till will rise vnto, vnto , is yett vncertaine to define, define , till
survaye thereof bee made , made, for that those landes survaye thereof bee made, made , for that those landes
are , intermingled w i th wth the Earle Clanricard , and are , intermingled wth w i th the Earle Clanricard , and
others , others, But yt is thought that they bee the one others, others , But yt is thought that they bee the one
half of both those Counties , Counties, so as they maye bee half of both those Counties, Counties , so as they maye bee
Counted to the vallue of one whole Countie w hi ch Countie, wch Counted to the vallue of one whole Countie, wch Countie w hi ch
contayneth aboue one thowsand plowelandes (for so manye contayneth aboue one thowsand plowelandes (for so manye
the least countye of them Comp re hendeth w hi ch wch maketh) the least countye of them Comp re hendeth wch w hi ch maketh)
twoe thowsande thowsand poundes more , more, that is in all x all, x: or twoe thowsand thowsande poundes more, more , that is in all, x: all x or
xj thowsand poundes . poundes, Thother twoe Counties must ~ ~ -- xj thowsand poundes, poundes . Thother twoe Counties must -- ~ ~
remaine till theire excheates appeare , appeare, The remaine till theire excheates appeare, appeare , The
w hi ch wch letting passe , passe, yett as vnknowne , vnknowne, yett thus wch w hi ch letting passe, passe , yett as vnknowne, vnknowne , yett thus
much is much is
Folio 86r 86r; written "85" 86r; written "85" Folio 86r
85 much is knowen and to bee accompted for certaine, much is knowen and to bee accompted for certaine, 85
much is knowen and to bee accompted for certaine , much is knowen and to bee accompted for certaine ,
that the composition of these twoe Countyes beinge that the composition of these twoe Countyes beinge
rated at xxs xx s eu er ie plowe land will amounte to rated at xx s xxs eu er ie plowe land will amounte to
aboue iij ml more . m l more, All w hi ch wch beinge layde togea aboue iij m l more, ml more . All wch w hi ch beinge layde togea
ther , w i th ther, wth to the rente of thexcheated landes form er ther, wth ther , w i th to the rente of thexcheated landes form er
maye be reasonablie estymated to ryse vnto xiijml xiij m l maye be reasonablie estymated to ryse vnto xiij m l xiijml
poundes the w hi ch poundes, the wch some togeather w i th wth the rente of poundes, the wch poundes the w hi ch some togeather wth w i th the rente of
thexcheated landes in the twoe last Counties w hi ch wch thexcheated landes in the twoe last Counties wch w hi ch
cannot yett be vallued , vallued, (beinge as I doubte not cannot yett be vallued, vallued , (beinge as I doubte not
lesse then a thowsand poundes more ) more) will yeild lesse then a thowsand poundes more) more ) will yeild
largelie vnto a thowsand men and theire victuallers largelie vnto a thowsand men and theire victuallers
and a thowsand poundes over to the towardes the gou er nor and a thowsand poundes over to the towardes the gou er nor
Eudox: Yee haue mee thinckes made , made, but an ~ - Eudox: Yee haue mee thinckes made, made , but an - ~
estymate of Connaght even at a verie venter , venter, estymate of Connaght even at a verie venter, venter ,
so as yt should bee hard to build anye certaintie so as yt should bee hard to build anye certaintie
of charge to bee raised vpon the same . same, of charge to bee raised vpon the same, same .
Iren: Nor Not altogeather yet vpon vncertainties , vncertainties, for thus Iren: Not Nor altogeather yet vpon vncertainties, vncertainties , for thus
much maye easelie appeare vnto yow for certen , certen, as much maye easelie appeare vnto yow for certen, certen , as
the composition monye of eu er ie plowland amounteth the composition monye of eu er ie plowland amounteth
vnto , vnto, for this I would haue yow princypallie vnder vnto, vnto , for this I would haue yow princypallie vnder
stand , stand, that my purpose is to rate all the landes stand, stand , that my purpose is to rate all the landes
in Ireland at xxs xx s eu er ie ploweland , ploweland, for theire compo in Ireland at xx s xxs eu er ie ploweland, ploweland , for theire compo
sition towardes the garrison : garris s on: The w hi ch wch I knowe in sition towardes the garris s on: garrison : The wch w hi ch I knowe in
regarde , regarde, of being fixed beinge freed from all other charges regarde, regarde , of beinge freed being fixed from all other charges
what so ever , whatsoever, wilbee redelie and most freelie fre OB lie whatsoever, what so ever , wilbee redelie and most fre OB lie freelie
gladlie yeilded vnto , vnto, So that there beinge gladlie yeilded vnto, vnto , So that there beinge
in all Ireland , Ireland, (as appeareth by theire old recordes recordes) in all Ireland, Ireland , (as appeareth by theire old recordes) recordes
43920 plowlandes , plowlandes, the same shall amounte to the 43920 plowlandes, plowlandes , the same shall amounte to the
some lyke wise of 43920 poundes , poundes, and the rest to some lyke wise of 43920 poundes, poundes , and the rest to
bee reared of thexcheated landes , w hi ch landes, wch fall to her bee reared of thexcheated landes, wch landes , w hi ch fall to her
maiestie , maiestie, in the said provinces provinces, of Vlster maiestie, maiestie , in the said provinces, provinces of Vlster
Connoght and that p ar te of Leinster vnder the Connoght and that p ar te of Leinster vnder the
Rebells : Rebells: Rebells: Rebells :
Folio 86v Folio 86v
Rebells , Rebells, (for Mounster wee deale not w i th all : wthall:: Rebells, Rebells , (for Mounster wee deale not wthall:: w i th all :
Eudox Eudox: , But tell me this by the waye , waye, doe yow Eudox: Eudox , But tell me this by the waye, waye , doe yow
then laye composition vpon thexcheated landes as then laye composition vpon thexcheated landes as
yow doe vpon the rest , rest, for so mee thincke yow ~ thinckes yow- yow doe vpon the rest, rest , for so mee thinckes yow- thincke yow ~
recken all togeather : togeather: And that sure were to recken all togeather: togeather : And that sure were to
much to paye , paye, vij nobles out of eu er ie plowland much to paye, paye , vij nobles out of eu er ie plowland
and composition monye besydes , besydes, that is xxs xx s and composition monye besydes, besydes , that is xx s xxs
out of eu er ie plowe land : : land:: out of eu er ie plowe land:: land : :
Iren: Noe yow mistake me , me, I put onelie vij nobles Iren: Noe yow mistake me, me , I put onelie vij nobles
rent and composition both vpon eu er ie plowe land rent and composition both vpon eu er ie plowe land
excheated , excheated, that is xls xl s for composition and vjs viijs vj s viij d excheated, excheated , that is xl s xls for composition and vj s viij d vjs viijs
for cheiferie to her ma jes tie , for cheiferie to her ma jes tie ,
Eudox: I doe now conceaue yow yow: proceed then I pray Eudox: I doe now conceaue yow: yow proceed then I pray
yow to the appointing of yo u r yor garrissons in Connaght Connagh t, yow to the appointing of yor yo u r garrissons in Connagh t, Connaght
and shewe vs both how manye and where yow and shewe vs both how manye and where yow
would haue them placed . . placed,: would haue them placed,: placed . .
Iren Iren: I would haue one thowsand laid in Connaght Iren: Iren I would haue one thowsand laid in Connaght
in two garrissons namelie , vC namelie, v C in the Countie in two garrissons namelie, v C namelie , vC in the Countie
of Maio , Maio, about Clan mc Costulaghes , w hi ch M ac Costulaghes, wch of Maio, Maio , about Clan M ac Costulaghes, wch mc Costulaghes , w hi ch
shall kepe Maio , and the Burks Burkes of Willin Will ia m shall kepe Maio , and the Burkes Burks of Will ia m Willin
Euter . , Thother vC v C : in the Countie of ~ ~ ~ --- Euter , . Thother v C : vC in the Countie of --- ~ ~ ~
Clanricharde about Garrandough , that they Clanricharde about Garrandough , that they
maye Containe the and the maye Containe the and the
Burkes, there the kellies and mack wthall Burkes, there the kellies and mack wthall
them about , about, for that garrison , w hi ch garrison, wch I form er lie ~ ~ -- them about, about , for that garrison, wch garrison , w hi ch I form er lie -- ~ ~
placed at Longhearne Loughearne will serue for all ~ - placed at Loughearne Longhearne will serue for all - ~
occasions in the Countie of Sligah Slygah beinge nere occasions in the Countie of Slygah Sligah beinge nere
adioyninge therevnto , therevnto, so as in one nightes m ar ch they adioyninge therevnto, therevnto , so as in one nightes m ar ch they
maye bee almost in any place thereof who when maye bee almost in any place thereof when who
need shall requier them . them, And like as in the need shall requier them, them . And like as in the
form er places of garrisson in Vlster Vlster, I wished form er places of garrisson in Vlster, Vlster I wished
iij Corporate iij Corporate
Folio 87r 87r; written "86" 87r; written "86" Folio 87r
86 iij Corporate townes to bee planted, wch vnder the iij Corporate townes to bee planted, wch vnder the 86
iij Corporate townes to bee planted , w hi ch vnder saifegarde of the strength, shall dwell and trade saifegarde of iij Corporate townes to bee planted , w hi ch vnder the strength, shall dwell and trade
saifegarde of saifelie wthall the strength , shall dwell and trade Countrye about them, so would I saifelie wthall saifegarde of the Countrye about them, so would I strength , shall dwell and trade
saifelie w i th all the Countrye about them , so would I also wishe to bee of : in this of Connoght, and that also wishe to bee of : in this of Connoght, and that saifelie w i th all the Countrye about them , so would I
also wishe to bee of in this of Connoght , and that also wishe to bee of in this of Connoght , and that
besydes there were another established at Athlone besydes there were another established at Athlone
w i th wth a convenient ward in the Castle there , there, for wth w i th a convenient ward in the Castle there, there , for
theire defence : : defence:: theire defence:: defence : :
Eudox: What should that need seinge that the Eudox: What should that need seinge that the
gou er nor of Connough vseth to lye there alwaies , alwaies, gou er nor of Connough vseth to lye there alwaies, alwaies ,
whose p re sence wilbe a defence to all that Towne shippes Towneshipp s whose p re sence wilbe a defence to all that Towneshipp s Towne shippes
Iren: I knowe he doth so : so: but that is much to bee disliked Iren: I knowe he doth so: so : but that is much to bee disliked
that the Gou er nor should lye so farr of in the remotest that the Gou er nor should lye so farr of in the remotest
place on of all Connaught Connaght the Prouince , Prouince, whereas place of on all Connaght Connaught the Prouince, Prouince , whereas
yt were meter that yt should bee contenewallie ~ - yt were meter that yt should bee contenewallie - ~
abydinge in the remotest place of all the pro ~ pro- abydinge in the remotest place of all the pro- pro ~
vince myddest of his charge , charge, that he might vince myddest of his charge, charge , that he might
both looke all alike out a like into all places of his gou er ern m en t both looke out a like all alike into all places of his gou ern er m en t
and also bee soone at hand in anye place where and also bee soone at hand in anye place where
occasion shall demaund him , him, for the p re sence of occasion shall demaund him, him , for the p re sence of
the Gou er nor is (as yow said a greate agreate staye and the Gou er nor is (as yow said agreate a greate staye and
brydle vnto them , them, that are yll disposed , disposed, like brydle vnto them, them , that are yll disposed, disposed , like
as I see yt is well obserued in Mounster , Mounster, where as I see yt is well obserued in Mounster, Mounster , where
the dalie good thereof is contynewallie apparant, the dalie good thereof is contynewallie apparant,
And for this cause also doe I greatelie dislike the And for this cause also doe I greatelie dislike the
Lord Deputies seatinge at Dubline , Dubline, beinge Lord Deputies seatinge at Dubline, Dubline , beinge
the owtest Corn er in the Realme Realme, and least neding the owtest Corn er in the Realme, Realme and least neding
the awe of his p re sence sence, whereas mee seems seemes the awe of his p re sence, sence whereas mee seemes seems
yt were fytter , fytter, since his p ro per care cace is of yt were fytter, fytter , since his p ro per cace care is of
Leinster Leinster, though he hath Care of all besydes Leinster, Leinster though he hath Care of all besydes
gen er allie , allie, that he should seate him self about gen er allie, allie , that he should seate him self about
Athie or thereaboutes there aboutes, vpon the kyrtl skyrtes of that Athie or there aboutes, thereaboutes vpon the skyrtes kyrtl of that
vnquiet Countrie , Countrie, so as that he might sytt at vnquiet Countrie, Countrie , so as that he might sytt at
the verie Maine Mast maine mast of the shipp where shipp, whence he the verie maine mast Maine Mast of the shipp, whence shipp where he
might might
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might mighte easelye overlooke and sometymes overreach mighte might easelye overlooke and sometymes overreach
the mores , the Mores, The Butlers , the Dempses , the Butlers, the Dempses, the the Mores, the mores , The Butlers, the Dempses, the Butlers , the Dempses , the
Ketins , Ketins, the Connors Ocarrell Omoloy and Ketins, Ketins , the Connors Ocarrell Omoloy and
all that heape of Irishe nations w hi ch wch there lye all that heape of Irishe nations wch w hi ch there lye
hudled togeather , w i th out togeather, wthout any to overrule them hudled togeather, wthout togeather , w i th out any to overrule them
or containe them in dewtie , dewtie, for the Irishe man I or containe them in dewtie, dewtie , for the Irishe man I
assuree yow , yow, feares the gou er ern m en t noe longer then he assuree yow, yow , feares the gou ern er m en t noe longer then he
is w i th wth in sight or reach : reach: is wth w i th in sight or reach: reach :
Eudox: Surelie mee thinges herein yow obserue a Eudox: Surelie mee thinges herein yow obserue a
matter of much ymportance . ymportance, more then I haue matter of much ymportance, ymportance . more then I haue
heard ever noted , noted, but sure that semes so expedient heard ever noted, noted , but sure that semes so expedient
as that I wonder yt hath bene here to fore ever heretofore over as that I wonder yt hath bene heretofore over here to fore ever
omitted , omitted, But I suppose the instance of the Citti omitted, omitted , But I suppose the instance of the Citti
zens of Dubline is the greatest left les let there zens of Dubline is the greatest les left let there
Iren: Truelie then yt ought not so to bee , for of of Iren: Truelie then yt ought not so to bee , for
Iren: Truelie then yt ought not so to bee, for Iren: Truelie then yt ought not so to bee, for
noe cause haue they to feare that yt wilbe any noe cause haue they to feare that yt wilbe any
hinderance for them , for Dubline them, for dubline wilbe still hinderance for them, for dubline them , for Dubline wilbe still
as yt is the keye of all passages , passages, and tran as yt is the keye of all passages, passages , and tran
sportacons out of England thither thither, to noe lesse sportacons out of England thither, thither to noe lesse
profytte of those Cyttizen Cyttizens then yt now is profytte of those Cyttizens Cyttizen then yt now is
and besydes other places will hereby receyve and besydes other places will hereby receyve
some benyfyte benyfyte: But let vs now I praye yow some benyfyte: benyfyte But let vs now I praye yow
come in to Leinster , in the w hi ch Leinster, in the wch I would wishe the come in to Leinster, in the wch Leinster , in the w hi ch I would wishe the
same Course to bee obserued as in Vlster : : Vlster:: same Course to bee obserued as in Vlster:: Vlster : :
Eudox Eudox: Yow meane for the leavinge of the gari garri Eudox: Eudox Yow meane for the leavinge of the garri gari
sons in theire fortes , fortes, and for planting of English sons in theire fortes, fortes , and for planting of English
in all those Countires Countries, betwene the Countye in all those Countries, Countires betwene the Countye
of Dublin of Dubline and the Countie of Wexforde , Wexforde, but of Dubline of Dublin and the Countie of Wexforde, Wexforde , but
those waste wyld places , places, I thinkce thincke when they those waste wyld places, places , I thincke thinkce when they
are wonn vnto her ma jes tie , that there is none are wonn vnto her ma jes tie , that there is none
that wilbe hastie haistie to seeke to inhabite : in habite: that wilbe haistie hastie to seeke to in habite: inhabite :
Iren Yes yes, Iren yes, Yes
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87 Iren: Yes ynough I warrante, for though the whole Iren: Yes ynough I warrante, for though the whole 87
Iren Yes ynough I warrante , for though tracte of the whole Countrie bee mountaine and wooddie tracte of Iren Yes ynough I warrante , for though the Countrie bee mountaine and wooddie whole
tracte of the Countrie bee Mountaine and woodlie tracte of the Countrie bee Mountaine and woodlie
yett there are manye goodlie vallies amongst them yett there are manye goodlie vallies amongst them
fytt for fayer habytacon to w hi ch fayre habytacon, to wch to those mountaines fytt for fayre habytacon, to wch fayer habytacon to w hi ch to those mountaines
adioyned wilbe a greate agreate increase of pasturage adioyned wilbe agreate a greate increase of pasturage
for that Countrie , Countrie, is a verie averie greate soyle of Cattell for that Countrie, Countrie , is averie a verie greate soyle of Cattell
and verie fytt for bread , bread, As for corne yt is ~ ~ -- and verie fytt for bread, bread , As for corne yt is -- ~ ~
nothinge naturall . naturall, save onely , onelye, barlie and otes nothinge naturall, naturall . save onelye, onely , barlie and otes
and some places , places, for Rye Rye, and therefore the larger and some places, places , for Rye, Rye and therefore the larger
pennyworthes maye bee allowed vnto them though pennyworthes maye bee allowed vnto them though
otherwise the wyldnes of the mountaine mountaine, pasturage otherwise the wyldnes of the mountaine, mountaine pasturage
due doe recompence the badnes of the soyle , soyle, So as I doe due recompence the badnes of the soyle, soyle , So as I
doubte not but yt will fynde in habytantes inhabytantes and doubte not but yt will fynde inhabytantes in habytantes and
vndertakers enough : enough: vndertakers enough: enough :
Eudox: How much then doe yow thincke , thincke, that all Eudox: How much then doe yow thincke, thincke , that all
those landes w hi ch Pheag Ma wch Pheagh M ac Hugh holdeth vnder those landes wch Pheagh M ac w hi ch Pheag Ma Hugh holdeth vnder
him maye amounte vnto , vnto, and what rente maye him maye amounte vnto, vnto , and what rente maye
bee reared there out , out, to the maintenance of the bee reared there out, out , to the maintenance of the
garrissons that shalbe layde there : there: garrissons that shalbe layde there: there :
Iren: Trulie yt is ympossible by ayme to tell Iren: Trulie yt is ympossible by ayme to tell
yt and as for experience and knowledge I doe yt and as for experience and knowledge I doe
not thincke that there was ever any of the not thincke that there was ever any of the
p ar tyculers thereof : thereof: But yett I will yf yt please p ar tyculers thereof: thereof : But yett I will yf yt please
yow gesse thereat vpon ground onelye of theire yow gesse thereat vpon ground onelye of theire
iudgm iudgem en t w hi ch wch haue form er lie deuided all that ~ - iudgem iudgm en t wch w hi ch haue form er lie deuided all that - ~
Countrye into twoe shires or Counties ) mainelie Counties, namelie Countrye into twoe shires or Counties, namelie Counties ) mainelie
the countie of Wicklo and the Countye of Fernes , the countie of Wicklo and the Countye of Fernes ,
the w hi ch wch twoe I see noe cause but they should the wch w hi ch twoe I see noe cause but they should
holye excheate to her ma jes tie all but the barrony holye excheate to her ma jes tie all but the barrony
tie all but of Arclo, wch is the barrony Earle of Ormewoodes of Arclo, wch is tie all but the Earle of Ormewoodes barrony
of Arclo , w hi ch is the Earle of Ormewoodes ancyente inherit a nce, and hath ever beene in his ancyente inherit a nce, and hath ever beene in his of Arclo , w hi ch is the Earle of Ormewoodes
ancyente inheritance , and hath ever beene in his ancyente inheritance , and hath ever beene in his
possession possession
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possession , ffor possession, For all the whole land is the ~ - possession, For possession , ffor all the whole land is the - ~
Quenes vnlesse there bee some grante the of Quenes vnlesse there bee some grante the of
any p ar te thereof , thereof, to bee showed from her ~ - any p ar te thereof, thereof , to bee showed from her - ~
ma jes tie as I thincke theire is onelie of Newcastle ma jes tie as I thincke theire is onelie of Newcastle
to S i r Henrye Harrington , Harrington, and of the Castle to S i r Henrye Harrington, Harrington , and of the Castle
of ffernes Fernes to S i r Thomas Masterson , Masterson, the of Fernes ffernes to S i r Thomas Masterson, Masterson , the
rest beinge almost Thirtie myles over , over, I rest beinge almost Thirtie myles over, over , I
doe suppose plowlandes w hi ch I will estymate at can containe noe lesse then, twoe doe suppose can containe noe lesse then, twoe plowlandes w hi ch I will estymate at
iiij ml rent by the yeare , The rest of Leinster Thowsand plowlandes wch I will estymate at Thowsand plowlandes wch I will estymate at iiij ml rent by the yeare , The rest of Leinster
beinge fower vij Counties to weete iiijm l rent by the Countye yeare, The rest of Leins ter iiijm l rent by beinge fower vij Counties to weete the yeare, The rest Countye of Leins ter
Dubline Kildare Catherlogh Wexford Kilkennye beinge fower vii Counties to weete the Countye of beinge fower vii Counties to weete the Countye of Dubline Kildare Catherlogh Wexford Kilkennye
the kinge and the Quenes Countie doe containe in the m Dubline: Kildare Catherlogh Wexford Kilkennye Dubline: Kildare Catherlogh Wexford Kilkennye the kinge and the Quenes Countie doe containe in the m
7400 plowlandes w hi ch amounteth to so manye poundes , the Kinge and the Quenes Countie: doe containe in the m the Kinge and the Quenes Countie: doe containe in the m 7400 plowlandes w hi ch amounteth to so manye poundes ,
for composition 7400 plowlandes wch amounteth to the garrison , that makes in the so manye poundes, 7400 plowlandes wch amounteth for composition to so manye poundes, the garrison , that makes in the
whole xjm iiijCl , The w hi ch sone wyll yeild paye for composition to the garrison, that makes in the for composition to the garrison, that makes in the whole xjm iiijCl , The w hi ch sone wyll yeild paye
vnto a thowsand soldyers , lyttle wantinge , w hi ch may whole xim iiijC l , The wch some wyll yeild paye whole xim iiijC l , The wch some wyll yeild paye vnto a thowsand soldyers , lyttle wantinge , w hi ch may
vnto athowsand soldyers, lyttle wantinge, wch may vnto athowsand soldyers, lyttle wantinge, wch may
bee supplyed out of other landes of the Cavanaghes bee supplyed out of other landes of the Cavanaghes
w hi ch wch are to bee excheated to her ma jes tie , for the ~ - wch w hi ch are to bee excheated to her ma jes tie , for the - ~
rebellyon of there possessions , possessions, though otherwise rebellyon of there possessions, possessions , though otherwise
indeed , indeed, they bee her owne ancyente domeane , demeane, indeed, indeed , they bee her owne ancyente demeane, domeane ,
Eudox It is great reason , reason, but tell vs now , now, where Eudox It is great reason, reason , but tell vs now, now , where
would yow wishe those garrisons to bee laid , laid, whether would yow wishe those garrisons to bee laid, laid , whether
altgeather altogeather or to be disp er sed in sondrye places of altogeather altgeather or to be disp er sed in sondrye places of
the Countrie : Countrie: the Countrie: Countrie :
Iren: Iren , Marie in sundrie places places, to weete in this Iren Iren: Marie in sundrie places, places , to weete in this
sorte or much the lyke as maye bee better aduised sorte or much the lyke as maye bee better aduised
for CC in a place aplace I doe thincke to bee ynough for CC in aplace a place I doe thincke to bee ynough
for the saifgarde of the Countire Countrie and keping ~ - for the saifgarde of the Countrie Countire and keping - ~
vnder all sudden vpstartes , vpstartes, that shall seeke to vnder all sudden vpstartes, vpstartes , that shall seeke to
trouble the... thereof trouble thereof the...
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88 trouble the peace thereof, for I wish: therefore I wishe to be trouble the peace thereof, for I wish: therefore I wishe to be 88
trouble ^ the peace thereof , for I wish : therefore I wishe to be trouble ^ the peace thereof , for I wish : therefore I wishe to be
layde at Ballinorros , for the kepinge of all bad p er sons layde at Ballinorros , for the kepinge of all bad p er sons
from Glamnaloar , Glanmalour, and all the fastenesse there aboutes from Glanmalour, Glamnaloar , and all the fastenesse there aboutes
and also to Containe all that shalbe planted in those and also to Containe all that shalbe planted in those
landes thenceforth : 200 . Another 200 at Knocklough landes thenceforth : 200 . Another 200 at Knocklough
in theire former place of garrisone to keep kepe the in theire former place of garrisone to kepe keep the
Brisklagh and all those mountaines of the Cavanaghes Brisklagh and all those mountaines of the Cavanaghes
200 more to lye at ffearnes Fearnes and vpwardes in wardes 200 more to lye at Fearnes ffearnes and vpwardes in wardes
vpon the Slane and Ocarroll O carroll 200 to be placed , placed, at the vpon the Slane and O carroll Ocarroll 200 to be placed, placed , at the
forte of Leix , Leix, to restraine the Mores Ossorie and forte of Leix, Leix , to restraine the Mores Ossorie and
Ocarroll other other: 200 at the forte of OIfaley Ofaley , to Ocarroll other: other 200 at the forte of Ofaley OIfaley , to
Curbe the O Connors Omoloys , mc Coghlan Maccughe O moloys, m c Coghlan: maccughe Curbe the O Connors O moloys, m c Coghlan: maccughe Omoloys , mc Coghlan Maccughe
gan , and all those Irishe nations , nations, borderinge gan , and all those Irishe nations, nations , borderinge
thereaboutes . thereaboutes: thereaboutes: thereaboutes .
Eudox: Thus I see all yo u r yor Thowsand men bestowed Eudox: Thus I see all yor yo u r Thowsand men bestowed
in Leinster Lein ster what saye yow then of Meath w hi ch wch in Lein ster Leinster what saye yow then of Meath wch w hi ch
is the first p ar te : te: is the first p ar te: te :
Iren: Meath w hi ch wch contayneth both Eastmeath and West Iren: Meath wch w hi ch contayneth both Eastmeath and West
meathe , meathe, and of late the Analye , Analye:, now called the meathe, meathe , and of late the Analye:, Analye , now called the
Countye Covntye of Langeford is accompted there vnto , vnto, But Covntye Countye of Langeford is accompted there vnto, vnto , But
Meath it self (accordinge to the old recordes ) recordes) 4320 Meath it self (accordinge to the old recordes) recordes ) 4320
plowlandes and the Countye of langeford . langeford. 947 : plowlandes and the Countye of langeford. langeford . 947 :
w hi ch wch in the whole make , 5267 plowlandes , make, 5267: plowlandes, of w hi ch wch wch w hi ch in the whole make, 5267: plowlandes, make , 5267 plowlandes , of wch w hi ch
the Compossition monie will amount lykewise to the Compossition monie will amount lykewise to
fyve thowsand two hundred , thre score hundred, threscore and seaven fyve thowsand two hundred, threscore hundred , thre score and seaven
poundes , poundes, to the maintenance of the garrison , garrison, But poundes, poundes , to the maintenance of the garrison, garrison , But
because all Meath lyinge in the bosome of that because all Meath lyinge in the bosome of that
Kingdome , kingdome, is alwayes quiet ynough , ynough, yt is needlesse kingdome, Kingdome , is alwayes quiet ynough, ynough , yt is needlesse
to putt any garrison there , there, so as all that charge to putt any garrison there, there , so as all that charge
maye be spared : spared: But in the Contye Countye of longford, Longford, maye be spared: spared : But in the Countye Contye of Longford, longford,
I wish I wish
Folio 89v Folio 89v
I wishe 200 footemen , footemen, and fytie fyftie horsemen to be placed I wishe 200 footemen, footemen , and fyftie fytie horsemen to be placed
in some convenient seat , seat, betwene the Analie and in some convenient seat, seat , betwene the Analie and
the Breine , ans as about Loughsillon , Loughsillon, or some lyke place the Breine , as ans about Loughsillon, Loughsillon , or some lyke place
of that ryver , ryver, so as they might both the Oneales of that ryver, ryver , so as they might both the Oneales
and also the Ofarralls and all that out skirte of and also the Ofarralls and all that out skirte of
Meath in awe , awe, the w hi ch wch vse vpon eu er ie light occa Meath in awe, awe , the wch w hi ch vse vpon eu er ie light occa
syon , syon, to be stirringe , stirringe, and havinge contynewall enmitie syon, syon , to be stirringe, stirringe , and havinge contynewall enmitie
amongst them selues selues, doe thereby oftentymes troble amongst them selues, selues doe thereby oftentymes troble
all those p ar tes , tes, the charge whereof beinge beinge: 4400 all those p ar tes, tes , the charge whereof beinge: beinge 4400
and odd poundes , poundes, is to bee cut out of that composition and odd poundes, poundes , is to bee cut out of that composition
money , for , money, for, meeth and longefood , longefoord, The ou er plus being money, for, money , for , meeth and longefoord, longefood , The ou er plus being
almost 2000 li l by the yeare will come in clearlie almost 2000 l li by the yeare will come in clearlie
to her ma jes tie : : :: to her ma jes tie :: : :
Iren: Mounster contayneth by record at Dubline Iren: Mounster contayneth by record at Dubline
1600 plowelandes 1600 plowelandes
Eudox: It is worth the harkeininge harkeninge vnto by but Eudox: It is worth the harkeninge harkeininge vnto by but
now that yow haue donne w i th Meathe , wth Meath, proceed I now that yow haue donne wth Meath, w i th Meathe , proceed I
praye yow to Mounster , Mounster, that wee maye see - praye yow to Mounster, Mounster , that wee maye see -
how yt will ryse , ryse, therefore the maintenance how yt will ryse, ryse , therefore the maintenance
of the garrison : garrison: of the garrison: garrison :
Iren: Mounster contayneth by record at Dubline , Dubline, 16000 Iren: Mounster contayneth by record at Dubline, Dubline , 16000
plowlandes , plowlandes, the composition whereof as the rest plowlandes, plowlandes , the composition whereof as the rest
will make 16000 li l by the yeare , yeare, out of the w hi ch wch will make 16000 l li by the yeare, yeare , out of the wch w hi ch
I would haue a thowsand soldyers to be mantayned I would haue a thowsand soldyers to be mantayned
for the defence of that province , province, the charge for the defence of that province, province , the charge
of w hi ch w i th wch wth the victualers wages will amounte of wch wth w hi ch w i th the victualers wages will amounte
to 12000 li l , by the yeare , yeare, Thother 4000 li l will de to 12000 l li , by the yeare, yeare , Thother 4000 l li will de
fraye the Charges of the p re cydencie and the fraye the Charges of the p re cydencie and the
Counsell of that province : : province:: Counsell of that province:: province : :
Eudox: the reckoninge is easie but in this Accompt Eudox: the reckoninge is easie but in this Accompt
by yo u r yor leaue me thinckes , thinckes, yow deceaued , are deceaued, for in by yor yo u r leaue me thinckes, thinckes , yow are deceaued, deceaued , for in
this some of the Composition monye yee account this some of the Composition monye yee account
the landes the landes
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89 the landes of the vndertakers of that province Province, who are the landes of the vndertakers of that province Province, who are 89
the landes of the vndertakers of that province Province , who are the landes of the vndertakers of that province Province , who are
by theire grante from the Quene to bee free from all such by theire grante from the Quene to bee free from all such
ympositions ympositions, whatsoeu er , exceptinge theire onelye rente w hi ch wch ympositions, ympositions whatsoeu er , exceptinge theire onelye rente wch w hi ch
is , surelie ynoughe . : is, surerlie ynoughe:: is, surerlie ynoughe:: is , surelie ynoughe . :
Iren: Yee saye trewe in deed I did so : so: But the same xxs xx s , for Iren: Yee saye trewe in deed I did so: so : But the same xx s , xxs for
everie plowland I meant to haue deducted out of the everie plowland I meant to haue deducted out of the
rente rente, due vpon them to her ma jes tie , w hi ch wch is noe hindrance hinderance rente, rente due vpon them to her ma jes tie , wch w hi ch is noe hinderance hindrance
nor charge all att all more to her ma jes tie then yt now is, nor charge att all all more to her ma jes tie then yt now is,
for all that rent w hi ch she receaues , wch shee receaues, of them she putteth for all that rent wch shee receaues, w hi ch she receaues , of them she putteth
forthe againe tos tor the maintenance of the p re sidencie there forthe againe tor tos the maintenance of the p re sidencie there
the charge whereof yt doth scarselie defraye , defraye, where the charge whereof yt doth scarselie defraye, defraye , where
as in this accompte , accompte, both that charge of the P -- as in this accompte, accompte , both that charge of the P --
Presidencie , Presidencie, and also of of, 1000: soldyors more shalbe Presidencie, Presidencie , and also of, of 1000: soldyors more shalbe
maintayned :: maintayned:: maintayned:: maintayned ::
Eudox: I should bee well if yt could bee brought to that: Eudox: I should bee well if yt could bee brought to that:
now where will yow haue yo u r yor thowsand men garrissond now where will yow haue yor yo u r thowsand men garrissond
Iren: I would haue 100 of them placed at the Baintree Iren: I would haue 100 of them placed at the Baintree
where is a most fytte place , place, not onelye to deende defende where is a most fytte place, place , not onelye to defende deende
all that syde of the Countrie west p ar te from from all that syde of the Countrie west p ar te from from
forraine invasion , invasion, but also to answere all occasions forraine invasion, invasion , but also to answere all occasions
of troubles , trobles, to w hi ch wch that countrie , countrie, beinge so remote of trobles, troubles , to wch w hi ch that countrie, countrie , beinge so remote
is verie subiecte , subiecte, And surelie suerlie here also would bee is verie subiecte, subiecte , And suerlie surelie here also would bee
placed a good.. towne , agoodne towne, havinge both verie good haven placed agoodne towne, a good.. towne , havinge both verie good haven
and plentifull fishinge , fishinge, and the land beinge alreadye and plentifull fishinge, fishinge , and the land beinge alreadye
excheated to her ma jes tie , but beinge forceablie kept excheated to her ma jes tie , but beinge forceablie kept
from her by a ragtaile kerne , ragtayle kerne, that p ro clames himself from her by a ragtayle kerne, ragtaile kerne , that p ro clames himself
the bastard sonne of the Earle of Clarcar veear Clan car mccar beinge the bastard sonne of the Earle of Clan car mccar Clarcar veear beinge
called Donell mac Chartie m ac Chartie; whom yt is meete to foresee called Donell m ac Chartie; mac Chartie whom yt is meete to foresee
to cutt of : ffor of: For when soever the Earle shall dye to cutt of: For of : ffor when soever the Earle shall dye
all those landes after him are to come to her ma jes tie , all those landes after him are to come to her ma jes tie ,
he is lyke to make a fowle styrr there , there, thoughe he is lyke to make a fowle styrr there, there , thoughe
of him self of noe power , power, yet throughe supportance of him self of noe power, power , yet throughe supportance
of some of some
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of some others , others, who lye in the wynde and looke after of some others, others , who lye in the wynde and looke after
the fall of that Inherytance , Another Inherytance, An other 100 would I haue the fall of that Inherytance, An other Inherytance , Another 100 would I haue
placed at Castlemayne w hi ch ) wch should kepe all Desmond placed at Castlemayne ) wch w hi ch should kepe all Desmond
and Kyrrye , Kyrrye, for yt answerethe them both most and Kyrrye, Kyrrye , for yt answerethe them both most
convenientlie : convenientelie: Also aboute Kylmore in the Countye convenientelie: convenientlie : Also aboute Kylmore in the Countye
of Corke would I haue another 200 placed w hi ch wch should of Corke would I haue another 200 placed wch w hi ch should
breake that neast of theeves there ; there, and answere breake that neast of theeves there, there ; and answere
equallye both the Countye of Lymbricke and also equallye both the Countye of Lymbricke and also
the Countye of Corke , Corke, Another hundred would I haue the Countye of Corke, Corke , Another hundred would I haue
lye at Corcke , aswell Corcke, a swell to Comaund Com m aund the Towne lye at Corcke, a swell Corcke , aswell to Com m aund Comaund the Towne
as also to bee readye for any foreine locasion , forreine occasion: lyke as also to bee readye for any forreine occasion: foreine locasion , lyke
wise , wise, at waterforde waterforde, would I place 200 , 200, for the wise, wise , at waterforde, waterforde would I place 200, 200 , for the
same reasons , reasons, and also for other p ri vie causes th a y t t are same reasons, reasons , and also for other p ri vie causes y t th a t are
noe lesse importante , importante, More over on the syde of noe lesse importante, importante , More over on the syde of
Arlo , nere to Muskrye wherke w hi ch wherke, wch is the Countrie Arlo , nere to Muskrye wherke, wch wherke w hi ch is the Countrie
of the Bourkes about would I haue of the Bourkes about would I haue
200 more to bee garrisoned w hi ch garrisoned, wch should scowre both 200 more to bee garrisoned, wch garrisoned w hi ch should scowre both
the white knightes Countrie and Arlo & Maskrye Muskrye the white knightes Countrie and Arlo & Muskrye Maskrye
whenkes wherkes, by w hi ch wch places all the passages of theeves wherkes, whenkes by wch w hi ch places all the passages of theeves
doth lye , w hi ch lye, wch convaie theire stealth from Mounster doth lye, wch lye , w hi ch convaie theire stealth from Mounster
downewardes downewardes, Towardes Tipperari and that Englishe englishe downewardes, downewardes Towardes Tipperari and that englishe Englishe
paile , paile, and from the englishe pale also vpp into Mounster paile, paile , and from the englishe pale also vpp into Mounster
whereof they vse to make a comon trade : com m on trade: Besydes whereof they vse to make a com m on trade: comon trade : Besydes
that ere longe I doubte the Countye of of, Typperarie that ere longe I doubte the Countye of, of Typperarie
yt self will need such a strengthe in yt w hi ch yt, wch yt self will need such a strengthe in yt, wch yt w hi ch
were good to bee there readye berfore readye, before the evill fall fall, were good to bee there readye, before readye berfore the evill fall, fall
that is dalie of some expected , expected, and thus yow see all yo u r yor that is dalie of some expected, expected , and thus yow see all yor yo u r
garrisons placed : placed: garrisons placed: placed :
Eudox: I see yt right well , well, but lett mee I praye yow by Eudox: I see yt right well, well , but lett mee I praye yow by
the waye , the waye, aske the reason whie in those Cytties of the waye, the waye , aske the reason whie in those Cytties of
Mounster , Mounster, namelye waterforde and Corke Corke, yee rather Mounster, Mounster , namelye waterforde and Corke, Corke yee rather
placed placed
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90 placed garrissons, then in all thothers in Ireland, for placed garrissons, then in all thothers in Ireland, for 90
placed garrissons , then in all thothers in Ireland , they maye thincke them selues to haue great wronge they maye thincke them selues to haue great wronge placed garrissons , then in all thothers in Ireland ,
to haue great wronge bee so charged aboue all the rest:. for they maye thincke them selues to bee so charged aboue all the rest:. haue great wronge
to bee so charged Iren: I will tell yow those twoe Cytties aboue all the rest : Iren: I will tell yow those twoe Cytties to bee so charged aboue all the rest :
Iren: I will tell yow those twoe Cytties aboue all the Iren: I will tell yow those twoe Cytties aboue all the
rest doe offer an ingate to the Spanyard moste rest doe offer an ingate to the Spanyard moste
fytlie , fytlie, and also the inhabytantes in habytantes of them are most ill fytlie, fytlie , and also the in habytantes inhabytantes of them are most ill
affected to the Englishe gou er ern ment and most freindes to affected to the Englishe gou ern er ment and most freindes to
the Spanyarde , Spanyarde, But yett because they shall not the Spanyarde, Spanyarde , But yett because they shall not
take exception to this , this, that they are charged aboue take exception to this, this , that they are charged aboue
all the rest, I will also laye a charge vpon thothers all the rest, I will also laye a charge vpon thothers
lyke wise wise, for indeed yt is noe reason that the Corporate lyke wise, wise for indeed yt is noe reason that the Corporate
Towens Townes enioyinge greate franchises and privilidges Townes Towens enioyinge greate franchises and privilidges
from her ma jes tie , and lyinge lyvinge thereby not onelie saif from her ma jes tie , and lyvinge lyinge thereby not onelie saif
but drawinge to them the wealth of all the lande , lande, but drawinge to them the wealth of all the lande, lande ,
should lyve so free , free, as not to bee p ar takers of the should lyve so free, free , as not to bee p ar takers of the
burthen of this garrison , garrison, for theire owne saiftye saiftye, burthen of this garrison, garrison , for theire owne saiftye, saiftye
speciallye in this tyme of trouble , troble, and seinge all speciallye in this tyme of troble, trouble , and seinge all
the rest burdyned burdyned, and there fore therefore I will thus charge the rest burdyned, burdyned and therefore there fore I will thus charge
them all ratablie accordinge to theire abillities towardes abillities,towardes them all ratablie accordinge to theire abillities,towardes abillities towardes
theire maintaynance , maintaynance, the w hi ch wch her ma jes tie maye yf she shee theire maintaynance, maintaynance , the wch w hi ch her ma jes tie maye yf shee she
please , please, spare out of the charge of the rest , rest, and please, please , spare out of the charge of the rest, rest , and
reserue towardes her other costes , costes, or add to the reserue towardes her other costes, costes , or add to the
charge of the Presidence in the northe charge of the Presidence in the northe
Waterford ss___100 Waterford ss___100
Corck ss___100 Clonmell ss___10 Dundalke ss___10 Corck ss___100 Clonmell ss___10 Dundalke ss___10
Lymbricke ss___50 Cashell ss___10 Molingar ss___10 Lymbricke ss___50 Cashell ss___10 Molingar ss___10
Galway ss___50 Eederd ss___10 Newry ss___10 Galway ss___50 Eederd ss___10 Newry ss___10
Dinglecush ss___10 Kilkenny ss___25 Trym ss___10 Dinglecush ss___10 Kilkenny ss___25 Trym ss___10
Kinsaile ss___10 Wexford ss___25 Ardye ss___10 Kinsaile ss___10 Wexford ss___25 Ardye ss___10
Youghall ss___10 Dreodagh ss__25 Kells ss___10 Youghall ss___10 Dreodagh ss__25 Kells ss___10
Kilmillocke s-------10 Kilmallocke ss___10 Rosse ss___25 Dubline ss___100 Kilmallocke ss___10 Rosse ss___25 Dubline ss___100 Kilmillocke s-------10
Som m 480 Eudox: Som m 480 Eudox:
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Eudox: It is easye Iren: : to laye a charge vpon any towne Eudox: It is easye Iren: : to laye a charge vpon any towne
but to foresee how the same may bee answered and defrayed but to foresee how the same may bee answered and defrayed
is the cheif p ar te of good aduisement : aduisement: is the cheif p ar te of good aduisement: aduisement :
Iren: Surelie this charge w hi ch wch I putt vpon them I knowe to bee be Iren: Surelie this charge wch w hi ch I putt vpon them I knowe to be bee
so reasonable as that yt will not much bee felte , felte, for so reasonable as that yt will not much bee felte, felte , for
the ~ - Porte townes w hi ch wch haue benefyte of shippinge , shippinge, the - ~ Porte townes wch w hi ch haue benefyte of shippinge, shippinge ,
maye cutt yt easelie of theire tradinge , tradinge, and in all maye cutt yt easelie of theire tradinge, tradinge , and in all
lande townes of theire Corne and cattell , cattell, Neither doe I lande townes of theire Corne and cattell, cattell , Neither doe I
see , see, but that since to them the bennyfite of peace see, see , but that since to them the bennyfite of peace
doth redownde , redownde, that they speciallie should beare doth redownde, redownde , that they speciallie should beare
the bourden of theire savegardes saivegardes and defence , defence, as wee the bourden of theire saivegardes savegardes and defence, defence , as wee
see all the Townes of the lowe countries countries, doe cut see all the Townes of the lowe countries, countries doe cut
vpon them selves , selves, an excise of all thinges towardes vpon them selves, selves , an excise of all thinges towardes
te the maintenance of the war war, that is mad in there the te maintenance of the war, war that is mad in there
behalf , to w hi ch behalf, to wch though these are not to bee compared behalf, to wch behalf , to w hi ch though these are not to bee compared
in ritches , ritches, yet are to bee charged accordine accordinge to theire in ritches, ritches , yet are to bee charged accordinge accordine to theire
povertie : : povertie:: povertie:: povertie : :
Eudox: But now that yow haue sett vpp these forces Eudox: But now that yow haue sett vpp these forces
of soldyers and prouided well as yow suppose for of soldyers and prouided well as yow suppose for
theire paye , paye, yett there remayneth to forcast how theire paye, paye , yett there remayneth to forcast how
they maye be victualled victualled, and where purvayance thereof they maye be victualled, victualled and where purvayance thereof
may be made , made, for in Ireland yt self I can not see may be made, made , for in Ireland yt self I can not see
how any thinge almost is to be had for them , them, beinge how any thinge almost is to be had for them, them , beinge
alreadye so pittifullie wasted as yt is w i th wth this shorte alreadye so pittifullie wasted as yt is wth w i th this shorte
tyme of warr . warr:: tyme of warr:: warr .
I ren: ffor Iren: For the first twoe yeres Indeed yt is needfull that Iren: For I ren: ffor the first twoe yeres Indeed yt is needfull that
the bee victualled out of England throughlie , throughlie, from the bee victualled out of England throughlie, throughlie , from
half yere to half yere aforehand , w hi ch aforehand, wch tyme they the half yere to half yere aforehand, wch aforehand , w hi ch tyme the they
Englishe pale shall not bee burdyned at all , all, but Englishe pale shall not bee burdyned at all, all , but
shall haue tyme to recou er them selues , selues, And mounster shall haue tyme to recou er them selues, selues , And mounster
also beinge reasonablie well stored , stored, wilby that time also beinge reasonablie well stored, stored , wilby that time
yf god send reasonable weather bee throughlie yf god send reasonable weather bee throughlie
well well
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91 well furnished to supplye agreate p ar te of that charge well furnished to supplye agreate p ar te of that charge 91
well furnished to supplye a for I knowe there is greate p ar te plentye of that charge corne sent over for I knowe there is well furnished to supplye a greate plentye p ar te of corne sent over that charge
for I knowe there is grate plentye of corne sent over sea from thence, The wch yf they might haue sayle sea from thence, The wch yf they might haue sayle for I knowe there is grate plentye of corne sent over
sea from thence , The w hi ch yf for at home they might would bee gladd to haue sayle monye so nere for at home sea from thence , The w hi ch yf they would bee gladd to might haue monye so nere sayle
for at home they would bee gladd to haue monye sonere for at home they would bee gladd to haue monye sonere
hand speciallye yf they were straightlie restrayned hand speciallye yf they were straightlie restrayned
from transportinge of yt , yt, therevnto also there wilbe from transportinge of yt, yt , therevnto also there wilbe
a greate agreate helpe and furtherance gyven to the putting agreate a greate helpe and furtherance gyven to the putting
forward of husbandrie in all meete places , places, as here forward of husbandrie in all meete places, places , as here
after shall in due place appere , appere, but here after when after shall in due place appere, appere , but here after when
thinge thinges shall growe to a better strength and the thinges thinge shall growe to a better strength and the
Countrie bee replenished w i th replennished wth Corne as in shorte space Countrie bee replennished wth replenished w i th Corne as in shorte space
yt will yf yt bee well followed , followed, for the Countrie ~ Countrye - yt will yf yt bee well followed, followed , for the Countrye - Countrie ~
people them selves are aree greate plowers and small people them selves aree are greate plowers and small
spenders of Corne , Corne, Then would I wishe there spenders of Corne, Corne , Then would I wishe there
should bee good storehowses and magasines erected should bee good storehowses and magasines erected
in all those great places of garrison , and in all great garris s on, in all those great places of garris s on, garrison , and in all great
and in all great and in all great
Townes aswell for the victualling of soldyers and Townes aswell for the victualling of soldyers and
plowes , shipps, as for all occasions of sudden seruices , as seruices, as shipps, plowes , as for all occasions of sudden seruices, as seruices , as
also for p re ventinge of all tymes of dearth and also for p re ventinge of all tymes of dearth and
scarsytie , scarsytie, in and this want is much to be complayned scarsytie, scarsytie , in and this want is much to be complayned
of in England , aobue England, aboue all other Countries , Countries, who ~ ~ -- of in England, aboue England , aobue all other Countries, Countries , who -- ~ ~
trustinge to much to the vsuall blessing of the trustinge to much to the vsuall blessing of the
earthe earthe, doe never forcast any such harde seasons earthe, earthe doe never forcast any such harde seasons
nor any such sudden occasyons , occasyons, as these troble some nor any such sudden occasyons, occasyons , as these troble some
tymes maye everie daye bring forthe forthe, when yt wile wilbe tymes maye everie daye bring forthe, forthe when yt wilbe wile
too late to gather p ro vision from abroad , abroad, and to bringe too late to gather p ro vision from abroad, abroad , and to bringe
p er happs from farr , farr, for the furnishinge of shipps or p er happs from farr, farr , for the furnishinge of shipps or
soldyers , w hi ch soldyers, wch p er adventure maye need to bee p re sentlie soldyers, wch soldyers , w hi ch p er adventure maye need to bee p re sentlie
imployed , imployed, and whose want maye (w hi ch (wch god forbydd) imployed, imployed , and whose want maye (wch (w hi ch god forbydd)
happ to hazard a kingdome , : kingdome,:: happ to hazard a kingdome,:: kingdome , :
Eudox: Indeed the wante of those these magasynes of ~ - Eudox: Indeed the wante of these those magasynes of - ~
victualls I haue hard oftentymes complayned of in victualls I haue hard oftentymes complayned of in
England England
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England and wondred at in other Countries : Countries: But that is England and wondred at in other Countries: Countries : But that is
nothing nothinge now to our purpose , purpose, but as for these garrissons nothinge nothing now to our purpose, purpose , but as for these garrissons
w hi ch wch yee haue nowe so strongelye planted , planted, throughout wch w hi ch yee haue nowe so strongelye planted, planted , throughout
all Ireland , Ireland, and eu er ie place warning w i th soldyers swarming wth soldyers: all Ireland, Ireland , and eu er ie place swarming wth soldyers: warning w i th soldyers
shall there be noe end of them : ffor them: For now thus being shall there be noe end of them: For them : ffor now thus being
mee semeth I doe see rather a Countrie of Warr , warr, then mee semeth I doe see rather a Countrie of warr, Warr , then
of peace and quiet w hi ch wch yee erst p re tended to worke in of peace and quiet wch w hi ch yee erst p re tended to worke in
Ireland , Ireland, for yf yow bringe all thinges to the quietnes Ireland, Ireland , for yf yow bringe all thinges to the quietnes
y w hi ch wch yee said what need then to maintaine so great y wch w hi ch yee said what need then to maintaine so great
forces as ye haue charged vpon yt :: yt:: forces as ye haue charged vpon yt:: yt ::
Iren: I will vnto yow Eudox: Eudox : In p ri vitie discover the drifte Iren: I will vnto yow Eudox : Eudox: In p ri vitie discover the drifte
of my purpose I meane (as I tould yow ) yow) and doe of my purpose I meane (as I tould yow) yow ) and doe
well hope hereby beth both to settle an eternall peace well hope hereby both beth to settle an eternall peace
in that Countrie , Countrie, and also to make yt verie p ro fitable in that Countrie, Countrie , and also to make yt verie p ro fitable
to her ma jes tie , the w hi ch wch I see must bee brought in to her ma jes tie , the wch w hi ch I see must bee brought in
by a strange hand , hand, and so contynewed vntill vntyll yt growe by a strange hand, hand , and so contynewed vntyll vntill yt growe
into a steadfast pe stedfast p OB course of gou er ern m en t : The w hi ch wch in this into a stedfast p OB steadfast pe course of gou ern er m en t : The wch w hi ch in this
sorte will neyther bee defyculte , defyculte, nor dangerous dangerous: sorte will neyther bee defyculte, defyculte , nor dangerous: dangerous
for the soldyer beinge once brought in for the servic e service for the soldyer beinge once brought in for the service servic e
into Vlster Vlster, and havinge subdued yt and Connaught Connaught: into Vlster, Vlster and havinge subdued yt and Connaught: Connaught
I will not haue him to laye downe his Armes any I will not haue him to laye downe his Armes any
more till he haue affected that w hi ch wch I purpose : purpose: more till he haue affected that wch w hi ch I purpose: purpose :
That is first to haue a gen agen er all composition for That is first to haue agen a gen er all composition for
the maintenance of these throughout the through out the the maintenance of these through out the throughout the
realme , realme, in regard of the troublous tymes and realme, realme , in regard of the troublous tymes and
dalye danger w hi ch wch is threatened to this Realme dalye danger wch w hi ch is threatened to this Realme
by the Kinge kinge of spaine , spaine, and there vpon to bestowe by the kinge Kinge of spaine, spaine , and there vpon to bestowe
all the soldyers in sorte as I haue done in done, that all the soldyers in sorte as I haue done, done in that
noe p ar te of all Ireland , Ireland, shalbe able to dare noe p ar te of all Ireland, Ireland , shalbe able to dare
so much as , quinch as, quinch, Then will I eftsones bringe in so much as, quinch, as , quinch Then will I eftsones bringe in
my refor my refor
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91 my reformacon of gou ern ment and therevpon establishe such my reformacon of gou ern ment and therevpon establishe such 91
my reformacon an order of gou er ment and there vpon establishe such ern m en t as I maye thincke metest for the an order my reformacon of gou ern m en t as I maye thincke metest for the er ment and there vpon establishe such
an order good of gou er m en t as I maye thincke metest for the that realme, wch beinge once established and good an order of that realme, wch beinge once established and gou er m en t as I maye thincke metest for the
good of that realme , w hi ch beinge once established and all thinges putt into aright waye, I doubte not but all thinges putt into aright waye, I doubte not but good of that realme , w hi ch beinge once established and
all thinges putt into aright waye , I doubte not but they will rvn n on farelye, and though they would eu er seeke they will rvn n on farelye, and though they would eu er seeke all thinges putt into aright waye , I doubte not but
they will rvn on farelye , and though they would eu er seeke to swarue asyde, yet shall they not be able wthout to swarue asyde, yet shall they not be able wthout they will rvn on farelye , and though they would eu er seeke
forraine violence once to swarue asyde , yet shall they not be able w i th out remove, as yow yor self to remove, as yow yor self swarue asyde , yet shall they not be able w i th out
forraine violence once to remove , as yow yo u r self shall sone I hope in yor owne reason readelye -- shall sone I hope in yor owne reason readelye -- forraine violence once to remove , as yow yo u r self
conceaue, wch yf yt shall sone I hope in yo u r owne reason readelye ~ ~ ever appeare, then may shall ever appeare, then may sone I hope in yo u r owne reason readelye ~ ~
conceaue w hi ch yf yt shall ever appeare , then may her ma jes tie at pleasure wth drawe some of her her ma jes tie at pleasure wth drawe some of her conceaue w hi ch yf yt shall ever appeare , then may
her ma jes tie at pleasure w i th drawe some of her garris s on, garris s on, her ma jes tie at pleasure w i th drawe some of her
and turne there paye into her purse , purse, or garrison , and turne there paye into her purse, purse , or
yf shee will neu er please so to doe , (w hi ch doe, (wch I would rather yf shee will neu er please so to doe, (wch doe , (w hi ch I would rather
wishe , wishe, then shall shee haue a nomber of braue ould wishe, wishe , then shall shee haue a nomber of braue ould
Soldyers Soldyors alwayes readye for any occasion that Soldyors Soldyers alwayes readye for any occasion that
shee will ymploye them vnto vnto, supplyinge there shee will ymploye them vnto, vnto supplyinge there
garrisons w i th wth freshe ones in theire stead , stead, the garrisons wth w i th freshe ones in theire stead, stead , the
maintenance of whom shalbe noe more charge maintenance of whom shalbe noe more charge
to her ma jes tie , then now the realme is is, for all the to her ma jes tie then now the realme is, is , for all the
reveinewed reveinewes thereof and much more shee spendeth reveinewes reveinewed thereof and much more shee spendeth
even in the most peaceable tyme that are there , there, even in the most peaceable tyme that are there, there ,
(as thinges now stand ) stand) And in tyme of warr (as thinges now stand) stand ) And in tyme of warr
w hi ch wch is once now sure everie vij yeare , vii yeare, she spendeth wch w hi ch is once now sure everie vii yeare, vij yeare , she spendeth
infynite treasure besydes to small purpose : purpose,: infynite treasure besydes to small purpose,: purpose :
Eudox Eudox: I p er ceaue yo u r yor purpose but now yf yow haue Eudox: Eudox I p er ceaue yor yo u r purpose but now yf yow haue
thus strongelie made waye vnto yo u r reformacon yor reformac i on thus strongelie made waye vnto yor reformac i on yo u r reformacon
as that I see the people so humbled and p re pared . , - as that I see the people so humbled and p re pared - . ,
that they will and must yeild to any ordynance that they will and must yeild to any ordynance
that shalbe gyven them , them, I doe much desyre that shalbe gyven them, them , I doe much desyre
to vnderstand the same , same, for in the begynninge yow to vnderstand the same, same , for in the begynninge yow
promised promissed to shewe in a meane how to redresse all those promissed promised to shewe a in meane how to redresse all those
inconveniences and abuses w hi ch wch yow shewed showed to bee in that inconveniences and abuses wch w hi ch yow showed shewed to bee in that
state of state of
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state of gou er ern m en t w hi ch , wch now standeth there as in the lawes state of gou ern er m en t , wch w hi ch now standeth there as in the lawes
Customes and religion wherein religion, where in I would gladlye know Customes and religion, where in religion wherein I would gladlye know
first , first, whether in stead of those lawes , lawes, yow would haue first, first , whether in stead of those lawes, lawes , yow would haue
newe lawes made , made, for now for ought that I see yow newe lawes made, made , for now for ought that I see yow
maye doe what yow please : please,: maye doe what yow please,: please :
Iren: I see Eudox: That yow well remember our first Iren: I see Eudox: That yow well remember our first
purpose , purpose, and doe rightlie contynewe the course thereof thereof: purpose, purpose , and doe rightlie contynewe the course thereof: thereof
ffirste therefore Firste there fore to speake of lawes , lawes, since wee first Firste there fore ffirste therefore to speake of lawes, lawes , since wee first
began w i th them , wth them, I doe not thincke yt convenient though began wth them, w i th them , I doe not thincke yt convenient though
now yt bee in the power of the Prince , Prince, to change now yt bee in the power of the Prince, Prince , to change
the lawes and make newe ; ffor newe: For that should breed the lawes and make newe: For newe ; ffor that should breed
a greate agreate trouble and confusyon , confusyon, aswell in the English agreate a greate trouble and confusyon, confusyon , aswell in the English
now dwellinge , dwellinge, and to be planted , planted, as also in the now dwellinge, dwellinge , and to be planted, planted , as also in the
Irishe :: Irishe:: for the Englishe havinge bene treyned trayned Irishe:: Irishe :: for the Englishe havinge bene trayned treyned
vpp alwayes in the Englishe gou er ment , ern ment, will hardly vpp alwayes in the Englishe gou ern ment, er ment , will hardly
bee envred envied vnto any other , other, and the Irishe would will bee envied envred vnto any other, other , and the Irishe will would
better be drawen to the Englishe , Englishe, then the Englishe better be drawen to the Englishe, Englishe , then the Englishe
to the Irishe gou er ern m en t . : Therefore since wee to the Irishe gou ern er m en t : . Therefore since wee
cannot now . l applye lawes fytte to the people, as cannot now l . applye lawes fytte to the people, as
in the first instytu c ti on of comon com m on y wealthes yt in the first instytu ti c on of com m on comon y wealthes yt
ought to bee , bee, wee will applye the people and ought to bee, bee , wee will applye the people and
fytte them to the lawes , lawes, as yt most convenient..lie convenient lie OB fytte them to the lawes, lawes , as yt most convenient lie OB convenient..lie
maye bee , bee, The lawes therefore wee resolue maye bee, bee , The lawes therefore wee resolue
shall abyde in the same sorte that they doe , doe, both shall abyde in the same sorte that they doe, doe , both
Comon Com m on lawes and statutes , statutes, onelye such defectes in Com m on Comon lawes and statutes, statutes , onelye such defectes in
the Como n lawe , lawe, and inconveniences in the statutes . statutes, the Como n lawe, lawe , and inconveniences in the statutes, statutes .
as in the begynninge wee noted , noted, and as men of as in the begynninge wee noted, noted , and as men of
deep in sight shall aduise , aduise, maye be changed by deep in sight shall aduise, aduise , maye be changed by
some other newe actes and ordynances to by some other newe actes and ordynances to by
a p ar lament there confirmed , confirmed, as those of trialls a p ar lament there confirmed, confirmed , as those of trialls
of pleas of the Crowne , Crowne, and p ri vate r ivate rightes bet of pleas of the Crowne, Crowne , and p r ivate ri vate rightes bet
betwene p ar ties betwene p ar ties
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93 betwene p ar ties coullorable conveyances accessaries: &c betwene p ar ties coullorable conveyances accessaries: &c 93
betwene Eudox: But how will those be redressed by p ar ties coullorable conveyances accessaries : h ~ lamente, Eudox: But how will those be redressed by betwene p ar lamente, ties coullorable conveyances accessaries : h ~
Eudox But how will those be readressed by when as the Irishe wch swaye most in p ar lamente , lament as yow when as the Irishe wch swaye most in Eudox But how will those be readressed by p ar lament as yow lamente ,
when as the Irishe w hi ch swaye most in p ar lament as yow said shall oppose them selues against them: said shall oppose them selues against them: when as the Irishe w hi ch swaye most in p ar lament as yow
said shall oppose them selues against them : Iren: That may now be well avoyded, for now that Iren: That may now be well avoyded, for now that said shall oppose them selues against them :
Iren: That may now be well avoyded , for now that so many freeholders of Englishe shalbe established, they so many freeholders of Englishe shalbe established, they Iren: That may now be well avoyded , for now that
so many freeholders togeather wth Burgesses of Englishe shalbe establyshed , they Townes and such other togeather wth Burgesses so many freeholders of Townes and such other Englishe shalbe establyshed , they
togeather w i th Burgesses of Townes and such other loyall Irishe men as maye be p re ferred to bee knightes loyall Irishe men as maye be p re ferred to bee knightes togeather w i th Burgesses of Townes and such other
loyall Irishe men as maye bee p re ferred of the shire, and such lyke, wilbe able to bee knightes beard and of the shire, and such lyke, wilbe able loyall Irishe men as maye bee p re ferred to beard and bee knightes
of the shire , and such lyke , wilbe able to beard and of the shire , and such lyke , wilbe able to beard and
counterpose the rest who also beinge now broughte counterpose the rest who also beinge now broughte
more in awe awe, will the more easelie submitte to any more in awe, awe will the more easelie submitte to any
such ordynances as shalbe for the good of them selues and such ordynances as shalbe for the good of them selues and
that Realme gen er allie : allie: that Realme gen er allie: allie :
Eudox: Yow saye well for the increase of the ffreholders Freholders Eudox: Yow saye well for the increase of the Freholders ffreholders
for there nombers will hereby bee greatelye augmen for there nombers will hereby bee greatelye augmen
ted , ted, But how shall yt passe through the higher ted, ted , But how shall yt passe through the higher
howse will still consiste consistes all of Irishe : Irishe: howse will still consistes consiste all of Irishe: Irishe :
Iren: Marie that also maye welbe redressed by ensample Iren: Marie that also maye welbe redressed by ensample
of that w hi ch wch I hard was done in the like case , case, by king of that wch w hi ch I hard was done in the like case, case , by king
Edward the thirde as I remember , remember, who beinge ~ ~ -- Edward the thirde as I remember, remember , who beinge -- ~ ~
greately greatelye barred and crossed by the bills of the greatelye greately barred and crossed by the bills of the
Clargie they being beinge then by reason of the Lord Abbotes Clargie they beinge being then by reason of the Lord Abbotes
and others , and others, too manye and to stronge for them , them, so and others, and others , too manye and to stronge for them, them , so
he could not for theire frowardnes , frowardnes, order and d he could not for theire frowardnes, frowardnes , order and d
reforme thinges as he desyred , desyred, was advised to reforme thinges as he desyred, desyred , was advised to
dyrecte forth his writtes to certaine gent lemen of best dyrecte forth his writtes to certaine gent lemen of best
abyllitie and trust , trust, intytlinge them therein ~ ~ -- abyllitie and trust, trust , intytlinge them therein -- ~ ~
Barrons to serue and fytte sytte as Barrons in the Barrons to serue and sytte fytte as Barrons in the
next p ar lament , lament, by w hi ch wch meanes he had so manye next p ar lament, lament , by wch w hi ch meanes he had so manye
barrons in his p ar lament as were able to weighe barrons in his p ar lament as were able to weighe
downe the Clargie and theire freinds , the w hi ch freindes, the wch downe the Clargie and theire freindes, the wch freinds , the w hi ch
Barrons Barrons
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Barrons they saye were not afterwardes Lordes : Lordes: but Barrons they saye were not afterwardes Lordes: Lordes : but
onelye Barronytes , Barronytes, as soundrie of them doe yett retaine onelye Barronytes, Barronytes , as soundrie of them doe yett retaine
the name , the name, and by the lyke deuise her ma jes tie may now like the name, the name , and by the lyke deuise her ma jes tie may now like
wise curbe and cutt short those Irishe and vnrulye wise curbe and cutt short those Irishe and vnrulye
landes lordes that hinder all good p ro cedinges : : cedinges:: lordes landes that hinder all good p ro cedinges:: cedinges : :
Eudox: It semeth noe lesse then for reforminge of al all Eudox: It semeth noe lesse then for reforminge of all al
those inconvenient statues w hi ch statutes wch yee noted in the those inconvenient statutes wch statues w hi ch yee noted in the
begynninge and redressinge of all those evill begynninge and redressinge of all those evill
Customes , Customes, and lastlie for settinge sound relidgion a Customes, Customes , and lastlie for settinge sound relidgion a
mongst them , them, me thinckes yee shall not need to mongst them, them , me thinckes yee shall not need to
any more to overgoe over goe those p ar tyculers againe , w hi ch againe, wch any more to over goe overgoe those p ar tyculers againe, wch againe , w hi ch
yow menconed , nor menc i oned, Nor any other w hi ch wch might besydes bee yow menc i oned, Nor menconed , nor any other wch w hi ch might besydes bee
remembred , remembred, But to leaue all to the reformacon of remembred, remembred , But to leaue all to the reformacon of
such p ar lament , lament, in w hi ch wch by the good care of the such p ar lament, lament , in wch w hi ch by the good care of the
Lord Deputie , Deputie, and Counsell they maye all ~ ~ -- Lord Deputie, Deputie , and Counsell they maye all -- ~ ~
amend , Therefore amend, There fore now that yow maye may come to that amend, There fore amend , Therefore now that yow may maye come to that
gen er all reformacon w hi ch reformac i on wch yow spake of , of, and bringing gen er all reformac i on wch reformacon w hi ch yow spake of, of , and bringing
in of all that establishm en t , by w hi ch wch yow said all me n men in of all that establishm en t , by wch w hi ch yow said all men me n
should bee Contayned in duetye ever after : w i th out after: wthout should bee Contayned in duetye ever after: wthout after : w i th out
the Terror of Warlike forces , forces, or vyolate wrest ing wresting the Terror of Warlike forces, forces , or vyolate wresting wrest ing
of thinges by sharpe punishm en t of thinges by sharpe punishm en t
Iren: I will so at yo u r pleasure , yor pleasure, the w hi ch wch mee semes can? by Iren: I will so at yor pleasure, yo u r pleasure , the wch w hi ch mee semes by can?
noe meanes can bee better plotted : plotted, then by ensam ple ensample noe meanes can bee better plotted, plotted : then by ensample ensam ple
of such other Realmes as haue bene annoyed w i th wth the of such other Realmes as haue bene annoyed wth w i th the
lyke evills , evills, that I re land Iland now is and vseth still to lyke evills, evills , that Iland I re land now is and vseth still to
bee , bee, And first in this Realme of England , England, yt bee, bee , And first in this Realme of England, England , yt
yt is manifest by reporte of the Cronicles and yt is manifest by reporte of the Cronicles and
other ancyent wryters , wryters, that yt was greatlie other ancyent wryters, wryters , that yt was greatlie
infected w i th in fected wth robbers and owlawes w hi ch wch lurked in in fected wth infected w i th robbers and owlawes wch w hi ch lurked in
woodes and fast places , places, whence they vsed often oftentymes woodes and fast places, places , whence they vsed oftentymes often
to breake forth into the high waies , waies, and sometimes into to breake forth into the high waies, waies , and sometimes into
small : small: small: small :
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94 small villages to robb and spoyle, for redresse whereof small villages to robb and spoyle, for redresse whereof 94
small villages to robb and spoyle , for redresse whereof yt is wrytten, that Kinge Allured or Alfryde yt is wrytten, that Kinge Allured or Alfryde small villages to robb and spoyle , for redresse whereof
yt is wrytten , that Kinge Allured or Alfryde who then raigned did deuide the realme into - who then raigned did deuide the realme into - yt is wrytten , that Kinge Allured or Alfryde
who then raigned did deuide shyres, and the realme into ~ shyres into hundredes, into Rapes shyres, and who then raigned did deuide the shyres into hundredes, into Rapes realme into ~
shyres , Rapentackes, and the shyres into hundredes , into Rapes Wapentackes into Tythinges, so that Rapentackes, shyres , and Wapentackes into Tythinges, so that the shyres into hundredes , into Rapes
Rapentackes , tenn tythinges made a hundred, and wapentackes into Tythinges , so that fyve made a layth tenn tythinges made a hundred, Rapentackes , and fyve made a layth wapentackes into Tythinges , so that
or Weapontacke, of wch tenn thythinges made a hundred , and fyve made a layth each one was bound for tenn each one was bound for thythinges made a hundred , and fyve made a layth
another, And the eldest or weapontacke , best of w hi ch tenn each one was bound for them whom or best weapontacke , of them whom w hi ch tenn each one was bound for
another , And they called the oldest Tythingman or best of them whom Borrougholder, that they called another , And the Tythingman oldest or Borrougholder, that best of them whom
they called the Tythingman or Borrougholder , that is the eldest pledge, became suertye for all the is the eldest pledge, became suertye for all the they called the Tythingman or Borrougholder , that
is the eldest pledge , became suertye for all the rest, so that yf any one of them did starte into rest, so that yf any one of them did starte into is the eldest pledge , became suertye for all the
any one of them did starte into vndewtifull action, the burrow holder was bound rest , so that yf any vndewtifull action, the burrow holder was bound one of them did starte into
any vndewtifull action , the barrow holder was bound to bringe him forth, who Ioyninge efte soones wthall to bringe him forth, who Ioyninge efte soones wthall any vndewtifull action , the barrow holder was bound
to bringe him forth , who Ioyninge eftsoones , with all to bringe him forth , who Ioyninge eftsoones , with all
his tythinge would followe the loose p er sons through all his tythinge would followe the loose p er sons through all
places till OB tyll they brought him in in, and yf all the places OB tyll till they brought him in, in and yf all the
tythinges fayled fayled, all the Tythe was charged tythinges fayled, fayled all the Tythe was charged
for the Tythinge , Tythinge, and yf that they fayled , fayled, then for the Tythinge, Tythinge , and yf that they fayled, fayled , then
all the hundred was demaunded for them , them, and yf all the hundred was demaunded for them, them , and yf
the hundred then thee shire , shire, who Ioyninge eft sones the hundred then thee shire, shire , who Ioyninge eft sones
altogeather altogeather, would not rest till OB they had found out altogeather, altogeather would not rest till OB they had found out
and deliu er ed in in, that vnlawfull fellowe , w hi ch fellowe, wch was and deliu er ed in, in that vnlawfull fellowe, wch fellowe , w hi ch was
not a meaneable ameaneable to lawe , lawe, and herein he yt not ameaneable a meaneable to lawe, lawe , and herein he yt
semed that good Saxon kinge followed the Counsell semed that good Saxon kinge followed the Counsell
of Iethro , to Moses , of, Iethro, to Moses, who aduised him to deuide of, Iethro, to Moses, of Iethro , to Moses , who aduised him to deuide
the people into hundredes , hundredes, and to sett Captaines and the people into hundredes, hundredes , and to sett Captaines and
wysemen wyse men of trust over them w hi ch wch should take wyse men wysemen of trust over them wch w hi ch should take
the charge of them , them, and ease him of that burthen burthen, the charge of them, them , and ease him of that burthen, burthen
and so did Romulus , Romulus, as yow may read deuide the and so did Romulus, Romulus , as yow may read deuide the
Romaines into trybbes , trybbes, and the Tribbes into Century Romaines into trybbes, trybbes , and the Tribbes into Century
ons or hundredes hundredes, by this ordynance the King king brought ons or hundredes, hundredes by this ordynance the king King brought
this realme this realme
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this Realme of England , w hi ch England, wch before was most troublesome troblesome this Realme of England, wch England , w hi ch before was most troblesome troublesome
that noe one badd p er son could styrr , styrr, but that he was that noe one badd p er son could styrr, styrr , but that he was
streight taken hould of by those of his owne tything streight taken hould of by those of his owne tything
and there barrowholder theire burrow holder who beinge his neighbors and theire burrow holder there barrowholder who beinge his neighbors
or next kynsmen kynsman was p ri vie to all his wayes , wayes, and loked or next kynsman kynsmen was p ri vie to all his wayes, wayes , and loked
narrowlie vnto his lyfe the w hi ch wch instytution yf yt narrowlie vnto his lyfe the wch w hi ch instytution yf yt
were obserued in Ireland , Ireland, would worke that effect were obserued in Ireland, Ireland , would worke that effect
w hi ch wch it did then in England , England, and kepe all men w i th in wthin wch w hi ch it did then in England, England , and kepe all men wthin w i th in
the Compasse of duetie and obedyence : obedyence: the Compasse of duetie and obedyence: obedyence :
Eudox: This is contrarie to that yow said before , before, for Eudox: This is contrarie to that yow said before, before , for
as I remember there was , was, a great disproportion bet betw as I remember there was, was , a great disproportion betw bet
betwene England and Ireland so as the lawes w hi ch we re wch were betwene England and Ireland so as the lawes wch were w hi ch we re
fyttinge of the one one, would not fytte the other , other, how fyttinge of the one, one would not fytte the other, other , how
comes yt then now that ye would transferr a p ri ncipal l r incipall comes yt then now that ye would transferr a p r incipall ri ncipal l
institution from England to Ireland : Ireland: institution from England to Ireland: Ireland :
Iren: This lawe by was made not by a Norman Iren: This lawe by was made not by a Norman
conqueror , conqueror, but by a Saxon Kinge , kinge, beinge at what conqueror, conqueror , but by a Saxon kinge, Kinge , beinge at what
tyme England was verie like to Ireland , Ireland, as now tyme England was verie like to Ireland, Ireland , as now
yt standes . ffor yt standes, For yt was I tould yow annoyed greatlie yt standes, For yt standes . ffor yt was I tould yow annoyed greatlie
w i th wth robbers and owtlawes , w hi ch owtlawes, wch trouble the whole wth w i th robbers and owtlawes, wch owtlawes , w hi ch trouble the whole
realme eu er ye Corner havinge in yt a Robbine realme eu er ye Corner havinge in yt a Robbine
hood that kepte all woodes and spoyled all passengers hood that kepte all woodes and spoyled all passengers
and inhabytantes as Ireland now hath , hath, so as mee -- and inhabytantes as Ireland now hath, hath , so as mee --
seemeth this ordynance would fytte verie well and seemeth this ordynance would fytte verie well and
bringe them all into one : one: bringe them all into one: one :
Eudox: Then when yow haue thus Tythed the Comin alitie Comonaltie Eudox: Then when yow haue thus Tythed the Comonaltie Comin alitie
as yow saye and burrowholders over them all all, what as yow saye and burrowholders over them all, all what
would yee doe when ye Come to the gentlemen and gentlemen, would would yee doe when ye Come to the gentlemen, would gentlemen and
yow hould the same Course : Course: yow hould the same Course: Course :
Iren: Yea Marie marie most speciallie for this yow must Iren: Yea marie Marie most speciallie for this yow must
knowe knowe
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95 knowe, that all the Irishe almost, boste them selues knowe, that all the Irishe almost, boste them selues 95
knowe , that all to bee gentlemen, noe lesse then the Irishe almost , both them selues Welch men to bee gentlemen, noe lesse then knowe , that all the Welch men Irishe almost , both them selues
to bee gentlemen , noe lesse then the welchmen to bee gentlemen , noe lesse then the welchmen
for yf he can deryve him self from the heade for yf he can deryve him self from the heade
of a septe , septe, as most of them can , can, they are expert of a septe, septe , as most of them can, can , they are expert
by theire Bardes , Bardes, and so holdeth him self a gent agent leman by theire Bardes, Bardes , and so holdeth him self agent leman a gent
and therevpon scorneth eft soones eftsoones to worke or vse and therevpon scorneth eftsoones eft soones to worke or vse
any handy labor , w hi ch labor, wch he say this sayth is the lyfe of a any handy labor, wch labor , w hi ch he sayth is say this the lyfe of a
peazante or Churle , Churle, but the fforth thensforth, eyther becometh peazante or Churle, Churle , but thensforth, the fforth eyther becometh
a horseboy or a stocage to some Kearne , kearne, endeavoring a horseboy or a stocage to some kearne, Kearne , endeavoring
him self to his weapon , weapon, and to his gen er all trade traide him self to his weapon, weapon , and to his gen er all traide trade
of stealinge , stealinge, so that yf a gent agent leman or any worthie of stealinge, stealinge , so that yf agent leman a gent or any worthie
yeoman of them haue any Children , Children, the eldest yeoman of them haue any Children, Children , the eldest
p er happs shalbe kepte in some order , order, but all p er happs shalbe kepte in some order, order , but all
the rest shall shifte for them selues . and fall the rest shall shifte for them selues . and fall
to their occupation , this occupation, and yt is a Comon Com m on vse amongst to this occupation, their occupation , and yt is a Com m on Comon vse amongst
some of there best gentlemens sonns , sonns, that so sone some of there best gentlemens sonns, sonns , that so sone
as they are able to vse there weapons , they weapons, they as they are able to vse there weapons, they weapons , they
straight geather to them selues straglers or straight geather to them selues straglers or
kearnes , w i th kearnes, wth whom wandring a while idelye vpp kearnes, wth kearnes , w i th whom wandring a while idelye vpp
and downe the countrie countrie, takeing onelye meate and downe the countrie, countrie takeing onelye meate
he at last falleth into some badd occasion that he at last falleth into some badd occasion that
shalbe offred w hi ch beng wch being once made knowen shalbe offred wch being w hi ch beng once made knowen
he is then fforth thensforth counted a man of worth in whom he is thensforth then fforth counted a man of worth in whom
theire is Courage , wherevpon Courrage, where vpon there drawe to theire is Courrage, where vpon Courage , wherevpon there drawe to
him manye other ligh like loose younge men , w hi ch yonge men, wch him manye other ligh like loose yonge men, wch younge men , w hi ch
styrrng styrring OB him vpp w i th encouragem wth encorragm en t p ro voke him styrring OB styrrng him vpp wth encorragm w i th encouragem en t p ro voke him
shortelie to flatt rebellyon , rebellyon, and this happens shortelie to flatt rebellyon, rebellyon , and this happens
not onely in the sonns of gentlemen , gentlemen, but often tymes oftentymes not onely in the sonns of gentlemen, gentlemen , but oftentymes often tymes
by theire noblemen noblemen, speciallye theire base borne by theire noblemen, noblemen speciallye theire base borne
sonns as there are fewe w i th out wthout some of them , them, for sonns as there are fewe wthout w i th out some of them, them , for
they are they are
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they are not ashamed onelye to acknowledge them , them, but also they are not ashamed onelye to acknowledge them, them , but also
boste of them and vse them in such secrete services , services, as boste of them and vse them in such secrete services, services , as
they them selues will not bee sene in , in, as to plauge the re there they them selues will not bee sene in, in , as to plauge there the re
enymies , enymies, spoyle there neighbors to opresse some of his enymies, enymies , spoyle there neighbors to opresse some of his
owne , owne, to stubborne freholders w hi ch wch are not tractable owne, owne , to stubborne freholders wch w hi ch are not tractable
to theire badd wills , wills, twoe such bastardes basterdes of the Lordes to theire badd wills, wills , twoe such basterdes bastardes of the Lordes
Lord Roches , Roches, they are now out in Mounster whom Lord Roches, Roches , they are now out in Mounster whom
hee doth not onelye Countenance but also privilie hee doth not onelye Countenance but also privilie
maintaine and releive nightlye amongst his maintaine and releive nightlye amongst his
tennantes , tennantes, such other is there there, of the Earle of -- tennantes, tennantes , such other is there, there of the Earle of --
Glancartes in Desmond and many others in many Glancartes in Desmond and many others in many
other places : places: other places: places :
Eudox Then yt semeth that this ordynance of Eudox Then yt semeth that this ordynance of
tythinge them by the pole , pole, ys not onelye fytte tythinge them by the pole, pole , ys not onelye fytte
for the gentlemen but also for the noblemen , who m noblemen, whom for the gentlemen but also for the noblemen, whom noblemen , who m
I would haue thought to haue bene so honorable mynde s myndes I would haue thought to haue bene so honorable myndes mynde s
as that they should not need such a base kynde of as that they should not need such a base kynde of
lyvinge , lyvinge, beinge bound to theire allegeance , allegeance, should lyvinge, lyvinge , beinge bound to theire allegeance, allegeance , should
rather haue held in and stayed all others from rather haue held in and stayed all others from
vndutyfullnes , vdutyfullnes, then need to bee forced therevnto vdutyfullnes, vndutyfullnes , then need to bee forced therevnto
them selues : selues: them selues: selues :
Iren: Yett so yt is Eudox Eudox: but yett because the noble Iren: Yett so yt is Eudox: Eudox but yett because the noble
men cannot bee tythed there beinge not manye men cannot bee tythed there beinge not manye
tythinges in them , them, and also because a Borrowe tythinges in them, them , and also because a Borrowe
holder over them should not onelye be a greate agreate indignitie holder over them should not onelye be agreate a greate indignitie
but also a danger to add more power to them then but also a danger to add more power to them then
they haue , haue, or to make one the Comaunder Com m aunder of Tenn they haue, haue , or to make one the Com m aunder Comaunder of Tenn
I hould yt meete that there were onelie sewertis sewerties I hould yt meete that there were onelie sewerties sewertis
taken of them and one bound for another whereby taken of them and one bound for another whereby
yf any shall swarue his sewerties shall for yf any shall swarue his sewerties shall for
saifgard of theire bandes bringe him Inn , Inn, or saifgard of theire bandes bringe him Inn, Inn , or
seeke to seeke to
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96 seeke to serue vpon him, And besydes I would wishe them all seeke to serue vpon him, And besydes I would wishe them all 96
seeke to serue vpon him to bee sworne to her ma jes tie , And besydes I would wishe them all wch they neu er yett were but at to bee sworne to her ma jes tie seeke to serue vpon him , wch they neu er yett were but at And besydes I would wishe them all
to bee sworne to her ma jes tie , w hi ch they neu er yett were but at the first creation, and that oath would sure containe them the first creation, and that oath would sure containe them to bee sworne to her ma jes tie , w hi ch they neu er yett were but at
the first creation , and that oath would sure containe them the first creation , and that oath would sure containe them
in dewtie greatelye or the breach of yt bringe them to in dewtie greatelye or the breach of yt bringe them to
sharter vengeance , vengeance, for God vseth to punishe p er iurie sharplie sharter vengeance, vengeance , for God vseth to punishe p er iurie sharplie
So I read in the raigne of Edward the second and also So I read in the raigne of Edward the second and also
of Henrie the vij vii when the tymes ver were verie of Henrie the vii vij when the tymes ver were verie
broken that there was a Corporate Oath oathh taken of all broken that there was a Corporate oathh Oath taken of all
the Lordes and best gent lemen of ffealtie Fealtie to the Kinge w hi ch wch the Lordes and best gent lemen of Fealtie ffealtie to the Kinge wch w hi ch
now is noe lesse needfull because many of them are now is noe lesse needfull because many of them are
suspected to haue taken another oathe p ri vilie to some badd suspected to haue taken another oathe p ri vilie to some badd
purpose , purpose, and there vpon they haue receyved the sacrament purpose, purpose , and there vpon they haue receyved the sacrament
and beinge sworne to a Preist w hi ch wch they thincke byndeth and beinge sworne to a Preist wch w hi ch they thincke byndeth
them more then theire allegeance alleageance to theire Prince them more then theire alleageance allegeance to theire Prince
or loue of theire Countrye : : Countrye:: or loue of theire Countrye:: Countrye : :
Eudox Eudox: This tythinge of the comon com m on people and taking Eudox: Eudox This tythinge of the com m on comon people and taking
sewerties of Lordes and gent lemen I like verie well well, but sewerties of Lordes and gent lemen I like verie well, well but
that yt wilbe verie troblesome , troblesome, should yt not bee that yt wilbe verie troblesome, troblesome , should yt not bee
a swell aswell to haue them all booked and the Lordes and aswell a swell to haue them all booked and the Lordes and
gent lemen to take all onely meaner sorte vpon them selues gent lemen to take all onely meaner sorte vpon them selues
for they are best able to bringe them in whensoever for they are best able to bringe them in whensoever
any of them started out :: out:: any of them started out:: out ::
Iren: This indeed in deed Eudox: hath bene hitherto and Iren: This in deed indeed Eudox: hath bene hitherto and
yett is a comon com m on order amongst them to haue all thee yett is a com m on comon order amongst them to haue all thee
people booked by the Lordes and gent lemen , but yt is the people booked by the Lordes and gent lemen , but yt is the
worst order that ever was deuised , deuised, for by this worst order that ever was deuised, deuised , for by this
bookinge of men , men, all the inferior sorte are brought bookinge of men, men , all the inferior sorte are brought
vnder thee comaund of theire Lordes and forced to vnder thee comaund of theire Lordes and forced to
followe them into any action what soever , whatsoever, Now this followe them into any action whatsoever, what soever , Now this
yee are to vnderstand that all the rebellyons w hi ch yee wch yee yee are to vnderstand that all the rebellyons wch yee w hi ch yee
see from tyme to tyme happen in Ireland ; Ireland, are not see from tyme to tyme happen in Ireland, Ireland ; are not
begunn by the Comon Com m on people but by the Lordes and begunn by the Com m on Comon people but by the Lordes and
Captaines of Captaines of
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Captaines of Countries vpon pride or wilfull obstynance obstynacie Captaines of Countries vpon pride or wilfull obstynacie obstynance
w hi ch wch whensoever they will enter into they drawe w i th wth them wch w hi ch whensoever they will enter into they drawe wth w i th them
all theire people , people, and such followers w hi ch wch thincke them all theire people, people , and such followers wch w hi ch thincke them
selues bound to goe w i th them , wth them, because they haue booked selues bound to goe wth them, w i th them , because they haue booked
them and vndertaken for them and this is the reason th y t them and vndertaken for them and this is the reason y t th
reason that the Noble men howe ever they should happen yow haue fewe such badd occasions herein England, by yow haue fewe such badd occasions herein England, by reason that the Noble men howe ever they should happen
to be evill disposed haue noe comaund at all over reason that the Noble men how ever they should happen reason that to be evill disposed haue noe comaund at all over the Noble men how ever they should happen
Comonaltye , though dwellinge vnder them , because to be evill disposed haue noe com m aund at all over the to be evill disposed haue noe com m aund at all over the Comonaltye , though dwellinge vnder them , because
eu er ie man standeth vpon him self and buildeth his Comonaltye, though dwellinge vnder them, because Comonaltye, though dwellinge vnder them, because eu er ie man standeth vpon him self and buildeth his
fortunes eu er ie man standeth vpon him self, and forme assurance . The buildeth his owne faith eu er ie man standeth fortunes vpon him self, his owne faith and buildeth forme assurance . The
w hi ch this manner of Tythinge the Powles will fortunes vpon his owne faith and firme assurance, The fortunes vpon his owne faith and firme assurance, The w hi ch this manner of Tythinge the Powles will
worke also in Ireland , for by wch this thee people manner of Tythinge the Powles will wch worke also in Ireland , for by this manner of Tythinge the Powles will thee people
are broken into many small p ar tes like little streams worke also in Ireland, for by this thee people worke also in Ireland, for by this thee people are broken into many small p ar tes like little streams
that they cannot easelye come togeather are broken into one many small p ar tes like little streames are broken that they cannot easelye come togeather into many small p ar tes like little streames one
that is to bee had they cannnot easelye come togeather into one head w hi ch is the principall regard that they cannnot easelye come togeather into one is to bee had
in Ireland , head wch is the principall regard that is to kepe him from growine into such bee had head wch is the principall regard that is in Ireland , to bee had kepe him from growine into such
a heade and adheringe vnto greate men : in Ireland, to kepe him from growinge into such in Ireland, to kepe him from growinge into such a heade and adheringe vnto greate men :
a heade and adheringe vnto greate men: a heade and adheringe vnto greate men:
Eudox: But yett I cannot well see how this can bee Eudox: But yett I cannot well see how this can bee
brought about w i th out wthout doinge greate wronge vnto brought about wthout w i th out doinge greate wronge vnto
the noble men there , the noblemen there, for at the Conquest of the the noblemen there, the noble men there , for at the Conquest of the
Realme those greate Signiories and Lordshipps Realme those greate Signiories and Lordshipps
were gyven them by the kinge , kinge, that they should were gyven them by the kinge, kinge , that they should
bee the stronger against the Irishe by the bee the stronger against the Irishe by the
multitude of ffollowers Followers and tena ntes tenn an tes vnder them , them, All multitude of Followers ffollowers and tenn an tes tena ntes vnder them, them , All
w hi ch wch hold theire Tenentes Tenem en tes of them by ffealtie Fealtie and wch w hi ch hold theire Tenem en tes Tenentes of them by Fealtie ffealtie and
such services whereby they are by the first such services whereby they are by the first
grante of the kinge made bound vnto them them, and grante of the kinge made bound vnto them, them and
tyed to ryse out w i th wth them vpon all occasions of tyed to ryse out wth w i th them vpon all occasions of
service , service, and this I haue often heard that when service, service , and this I haue often heard that when
the Lord the Lord
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the Lord haue raysed any gen er all Ostinges , Ostinges, The the Lord haue raysed any gen er all Ostinges, Ostinges , The
noble men haue claimed by clamed th the leadinge of them by noble men haue clamed th claimed by the leadinge of them by
grante grante, from the kinges of England vnder the greate great grante, grante from the kinges of England vnder the great greate
seale exhibyted , exhibyted, so as the deputie would not seale exhibyted, exhibyted , so as the deputie would not
refuse refuise them to haue the leadinge of them or yf refuise refuse them to haue the leadinge of them or yf
he did they would so worke as none of theire he did they would so worke as none of theire
followers should ryse forth to the Ostinge : Ostinge: followers should ryse forth to the Ostinge: Ostinge :
Iren Iren: Yee saye verie true but will ye see fruite Iren: Iren Yee saye verie true but will ye see fruite
of these grantes , grantes, I haue knowen when those Lordes of these grantes, grantes , I haue knowen when those Lordes
haue had the Leadinge of theire owne followers haue had the Leadinge of theire owne followers
vnder them to the gen er all Osting , Ostinges OB that they vnder them to the gen er all Ostinges OB Osting , that they
haue for the same cutt vpon everie plowland ~ - haue for the same cutt vpon everie plowland - ~
forty shillinges or more whereby some of them forty shillinges or more whereby some of them
haue gathered aboue vij vii or viijCl viii C l and others much more haue gathered aboue vii vij or viii C l viijCl and others much more
into theire purse , purse, in lewe whereof they haue into theire purse, purse , in lewe whereof they haue
gathered vnto them selues selues, a nomber of loose kerne gathered vnto them selues, selues a nomber of loose kerne
out of all p ar tes , w hi ch tes, wch they haue Carryed forth w i th wth the m out of all p ar tes, wch tes , w hi ch they haue Carryed forth wth w i th the m
to whom they never gaue penny of entertainm entertainem en t , allowed allow e d to whom they never gaue penny of entertainem entertainm en t , allow e d allowed
by the Countrie or forced by them , them, but lett them by the Countrie or forced by them, them , but lett them
feed vpon the Countries extate Countries, extorte vpon all men where feed vpon the Countries, extorte Countries extate vpon all men where
they can ; can, for that people will never aske better they can, can ; for that people will never aske better
entertainm entertainem en t , then to haue a Coullor of service or entertainem entertainm en t , then to haue a Coullor of service or
imploym en t geven them , them, by w hi ch wch they will powle and spoile imploym en t geven them, them , by wch w hi ch they will powle and spoile
so out ragiouslie that as the verie Enemy cannot doe so out ragiouslie that as the verie Enemy cannot doe
much worse and besydes turne them selues to the much worse and besydes turne them selues to the
Enemy . Enemy:: Enemy:: Enemy .
Eudox Eudox: It seemes the first intent of those grantes Eudox: Eudox It seemes the first intent of those grantes
was against the Irishe w hi ch wch now some of them vse was against the Irishe wch w hi ch now some of them vse
against the Quene her self , herself, But now what against the Quene herself, her self , But now what
remedie is remedie is
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remedye is there for this or how can these those grantes of remedye is there for this or how can those these grantes of
the Kinges kinges bee avoyded w i th out wrongeisng wthout wrong ing es of those lord lordes the kinges Kinges bee avoyded wthout wrong ing w i th out wrongeisng of those lordes lord es
w hi ch wch had those landes and Lordshipps geven them . them. wch w hi ch had those landes and Lordshipps geven them. them .
**NEW HAND*** “es” ligature formed differently, “thay,” “geven,” “ware,” “ther” new spellings; hand overall less smoothly formed Iren ius suerlie thaie may be well anoughe for most of those Iren ius suerlie thaie may be well anoughe for most of those **NEW HAND*** “es” ligature formed differently, “thay,” “geven,” “ware,” “ther” new spellings; hand overall less smoothly formed
Iren surelie thaie may be well amonghe for most of those Lordes sence ther first grantes from the kinge by whome Lordes sence ther first grantes from the kinge by whome Iren surelie thaie may be well amonghe for most of those
Lordes seme there first grantes from those landes ware gyven them haue sethence bestowed the kinges by whome those landes ware gyven them haue sethence bestowed Lordes seme there first grantes from the kinges by whome
those landes ware gyven most p ar t of them haue sithence bestowed th e emo n ste ther kinsfolkes as eu er ie Lord most p ar t of those landes ware gyven them emo n ste ther kinsfolkes as eu er ie Lord haue sithence bestowed th e
most p ar t of them amoste ther kinsfolkes as eu er ie Lord most p ar t of them amoste ther kinsfolkes as eu er ie Lord
p er happs in his tyme haith geven ane or another p er happs in his tyme haith geven ane or another
of his princippall castles to his yonger sonnes and of his princippall castles to his yonger sonnes and
other to others as larglie and as amplie as they thay other to others as larglie and as amplie as thay they
ware geven to him and others thay haue sould and ware geven to him and others thay haue sould and
others bought w i th wch ware not in ther first grantes gra n tes others bought wch w i th ware not in ther first gra n tes grantes
w i th wch nowe neu er the less thay bring w i th in bringe wthin the compas wch w i th nowe neu er the less thay bringe wthin bring w i th in the compas
therof and take and exact vppon them as ther therof and take and exact vppon them as ther
first Demeanes demeanes of all those kynd of services s er vices first demeanes Demeanes of all those kynd of s er vices services
yea and the verie worlde wilde Irish exactions as yea and the verie wilde worlde Irish exactions as
Cogine Cognie & liuerie Liuerie for him and such like by w hi ch they wch thay Cognie Cogine & Liuerie liuerie for him and such like by wch thay w hi ch they
poll pole and vtterlie vndowe the poore tenantes ten n antes & pole poll and vtterlie vndowe the poore ten n antes tenantes &
frehoulders vnder them w hi ch wch ather through ignoren ignoran ce frehoulders vnder them wch w hi ch ather through ignoran ignoren ce
knowe knewe not ther tenurs ar tenn OB or through greatnes of knewe knowe not ther tenn OB or tenurs ar through greatnes of
ther newe lordes dare not chaleng them , them, yea and ther newe lordes dare not chaleng them, them , yea and
som lordes of contries allsoe at greate ones as as great anes as som lordes of contries allsoe as great anes as at greate ones as
them selves ar nowe by stronge hand brought them selves ar nowe by stronge hand brought
vndder vndler them and maid ther vassalls as for exampl e example vndler vndder them and maid ther vassalls as for example exampl e
Arundell of the strand in the countie of Cork Coeck Arundell of the strand in the countie of Coeck Cork
whoe was auncyantlie a great Lord ande and & whoe was auncyantlie a great Lord and & ande
able to spend 3 100li 3500 li by the yeare as appeareth able to spend 3500 li 3 100li by the yeare as appeareth
by good goode Recordes is nowe becom the lord Barries by goode good Recordes is nowe becom the lord Barries
man and dooth to him all those servicis w hi ch wch ar due man and dooth to him all those servicis wch w hi ch ar due
vnto vnto
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**HAND 1 RETURNS** vnto her ma jes tie , for reformacon of wch that theire were vnto her ma jes tie , for reformacon of wch that theire were **HAND 1 RETURNS**
98 a Commission granted forth vnder the greate seale as a Commission granted forth vnder the greate seale as 98
vnto her ma jes tie , for reformacon of w hi ch that theire were vnto her ma jes tie , for reformacon of w hi ch that theire were
a Comission granted forth vnder the greate seale as a Comission granted forth vnder the greate seale as
I haue sene one recorded in the old Counsell booke I haue sene one recorded in the old Counsell booke
in Mounster in Mounster, yt was sent forth in the tyme of S i r in Mounster, in Mounster yt was sent forth in the tyme of S i r
Willyam Drewrie vnto p er sons of speciall trust and iudgm en t Willyam Drewrie vnto p er sons of speciall trust and iudgm en t
to enquire throughout all Ireland begynninge in one countie to enquire throughout all Ireland begynninge in one countie
first , first, and so restinge a while awhile vntill the same were first, first , and so restinge awhile a while vntill the same were
setled by the verdicte of sound and subtanciall substantial iurye setled by the verdicte of sound and substantial subtanciall iurye
how eu er ie man holdeth his landes , landes, of whom and by how eu er ie man holdeth his landes, landes , of whom and by
what kynde tenuor , tennor, so that eu er ie one should bee admitted what kynde tennor, tenuor , so that eu er ie one should bee admitted
to sho ssh o we and exhibyte what righte he hath , hath, and by what to ssh o sho we and exhibyte what righte he hath, hath , and by what
seruices he holdeth his land , land, whether in cheif in Cheif in seruices he holdeth his land, land , whether in Cheif in cheif in
Soccage or in Knight seruice , seruice, or ells what so eu soeu er y here Soccage or in Knight seruice, seruice , or ells what soeu so eu er y here
vpon would appere first first, how all those greate Eng vpon would appere first, first how all those greate Eng
lishe Lordes doe clame those greate services , services, what lishe Lordes doe clame those greate services, services , what
signories they vsurpe , vsurpe, what wardshipps ward shipps they take signories they vsurpe, vsurpe , what ward shipps wardshipps they take
from the Quene , Quene, what landes of hers her s they conceale conceald from the Quene, Quene , what landes of her s hers they conceald conceale
and then how those Irishe Captaines haue encroched and then how those Irishe Captaines haue encroched
vpon the Quenes ffreholders , Freholders, and tenn an tes , how they vpon the Quenes Freholders, ffreholders , and tenn an tes , how they
haue translated the tennors of them from Englishe haue translated the tennors of them from Englishe
holdinge into Irishe Tanist : Iryshe Tanist: and defeated her holdinge into Iryshe Tanist: Irishe Tanist : and defeated her
ma jes tie of all her rightes and dueties , w hi ch dueties, wch are to accrew ma jes tie of all her rightes and dueties, wch dueties , w hi ch are to accrew
to her there about , thereabout, as wardshipps Wardshipps Lyveries marry to her thereabout, there about , as Wardshipps wardshipps Lyveries marry
ages , ages, and fynes of Alye nacons w i th Alyenacons wth OB many other ages, ages , and fynes of Alyenacons wth OB Alye nacons w i th many other
comodyties , w hi ch com m odyties, wch now are kepte and conceald from com m odyties, wch comodyties , w hi ch now are kepte and conceald from
her ma jes tie to the vallue of of, 60 000l yerelye , 000 l yerely, I dare her ma jes tie to the vallue of, of 60 000 l yerely, 000l yerelye , I dare
vnder take in all Ireland by that w hi ch wch I knowe vnder take in all Ireland by that wch w hi ch I knowe
in one Countye . : Countye,: in one Countye,: Countye . :
Eudox: This Iren: would seme a dangerous Comissio n Eudox: This Iren: would seme a dangerous Comissio n
by this and reddye to styrr vpp all the Irish by this and reddye to styrr vpp all the Irish
who knowinge that they haue nothing to show for who knowinge that they haue nothing to show for
all those landes w hi ch wch they hould ; hould, but theire swordes all those landes wch w hi ch they hould, hould ; but theire swordes
would would
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would , would, rather drawe them , them, then suffer theire landes would, would , rather drawe them, them , then suffer theire landes
to bee thus drawen awaye from them : them: to bee thus drawen awaye from them: them :
Iren Neither should theire landes be taken awaye Iren Neither should theire landes be taken awaye
from them , them, nor the vtter most vttermost advantages enforced from them, them , nor the vttermost vtter most advantages enforced
against them them, but this by the discression of the ~ - against them, them but this by the discression of the - ~
Comissioners should bee made knowen vnto them ~ ~ -- Comissioners should bee made knowen vnto them -- ~ ~
that yt is not her ma jes ties meaninge to vse any such that yt is not her ma jes ties meaninge to vse any such
extremitie but onelye to reduce things thinges into order extremitie but onelye to reduce thinges things into order
of Englishe lawe and make them hold there landes of Englishe lawe and make them hold there landes
of her ma jes tie , and restore to her her due seruices of her ma jes tie , and restore to her her due seruices
w hi ch wch they detaine , detaine, not of those landes w hi ch wch were wch w hi ch they detaine, detaine , not of those landes wch w hi ch were
antientelie holden of her , her, and that they should not antientelie holden of her, her , and that they should not
onelye bee thrust out , out, but also haue estates and gra n ts tes onelye bee thrust out, out , but also haue estates and gra n tes ts
of theire landes now made to them from her ma jes tie of theire landes now made to them from her ma jes tie
so as they should thenceforth thence forth hold them rightfullie so as they should thence forth thenceforth hold them rightfullie
w hi ch wch they now vsurpe most wrongefullie , wrongefullie, and yett wch w hi ch they now vsurpe most wrongefullie, wrongefullie , and yett
w i th all wthall I would wishe that in all those Irishe wthall w i th all I would wishe that in all those Irishe
Countries there were some land reserued to her Countries there were some land reserued to her
ma jes ties free disposition , disposition, for the better contayninge of ma jes ties free disposition, disposition , for the better contayninge of
the rest and entermedlinge them w i th Englishe wth English In the rest and entermedlinge them wth English w i th Englishe In
habytantes , habytantes, and Customes , Customes, that knowledge might still habytantes, habytantes , and Customes, Customes , that knowledge might still
bee hadd by them of all theire doinges , doinges, so as bee hadd by them of all theire doinges, doinges , so as
noe manner mannor of practize or conspiracye should bee noe mannor manner of practize or conspiracye should bee
in hande amongst them , them, but notice should bee in hande amongst them, them , but notice should bee
gyven thereof by one meanes or another , another, and there gyven thereof by one meanes or another, another , and there
practizes p re vented :: vented:: practizes p re vented:: vented ::
Eudox: Trulye neyther can the Irishe Irish nor Englishe English Eudox: Trulye neyther can the Irish Irishe nor English Englishe
lordes Lordes thincke them selues wronged or hardlie ~ - Lordes lordes thincke them selues wronged or hardlie - ~
delte w i th all herein , wthall herein, to haue that indeed w hi ch wch is delte wthall herein, w i th all herein , to haue that indeed wch w hi ch is
none of theire owne at all , all, but her ma jes ties absolut none of theire owne at all, all , but her ma jes ties absolut
lie gyven vnto them w i th wth such equall condycons as they þ a y t lie gyven vnto them wth w i th such equall condycons as they y þ a t
both they both they
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99 both they maye be assured thereof better then they are, and both they maye be assured thereof better then they are, and 99
both they maye be assured thereof better then they are , and also her ma jes tie not defrauded of hir right vtterlie, for yt is also her ma jes tie not defrauded of hir right vtterlie, for yt is both they maye be assured thereof better then they are , and
also her ma jes tie not defrauded of hir right vtterlie , agreate grace wth a for yt is the prince take that wth Condycons wch agreate grace wth a also her ma jes tie not defrauded of hir right vtterlie , for the prince take that wth Condycons wch yt is
a greate grace for w i th a is absolutelie her owne, thus shall the prince take that w i th condycons w hi ch Irishe bee is absolutelie her owne, thus shall a greate grace for w i th a the Irishe bee prince take that w i th condycons w hi ch
is absolutelie her owne , thus shall well satisfyed, and as for the Irishe bee greate men wch had such well satisfyed, and as for is absolutelie her owne , thus shall the greate men wch had such Irishe bee
well satisfyed , and as for the greate men w hi ch had such well satisfyed , and as for the greate men w hi ch had such
grante made them at first by the Kinges of England was grante made them at first by the Kinges of England was
in regarde they should kepe out the Irishe and to t OB defend in regarde they should kepe out the Irishe and t OB to defend
the Kinges right and his subiectes , subiectes, but now seinge the Kinges right and his subiectes, subiectes , but now seinge
that in steade of defendinge them they robb and spoile that in steade of defendinge them they robb and spoile
them , them, and insteade in steade of keping out the Irishe , Irishe, they them, them , and in steade insteade of keping out the Irishe, Irishe , they
doe not onelie make the Irishe theire tena ntes tenn an tes in those doe not onelie make the Irishe theire tenn an tes tena ntes in those
landes and thrust out the Englishe , Englishe, but also they them landes and thrust out the Englishe, Englishe , but also they them
selfes become more mere Irishe w i th wth marryinge w i th wth selfes become mere more Irishe wth w i th marryinge wth w i th
them , them, fosteringe w i th wth them and companiinge w i th wth them, them , fosteringe wth w i th them and companiinge wth w i th
them against the Quene , Quene, but what reasons but those them against the Quene, Quene , but what reasons but those
grantes and p ro cedinges should bee eyther revoked a or grantes and p ro cedinges should bee eyther revoked a or
at least reduced to theire first intencon intenc i on for w hi ch wch at least reduced to theire first intenc i on intencon for wch w hi ch
they were granted , granted, for surelye in my opynion they they were granted, granted , for surelye in my opynion they
were more sharpelie to bee Chastized , Chastized, and refor were more sharpelie to bee Chastized, Chastized , and refor
med then the rude Irishe , w hi ch Irishe, wch beinge verie wyld med then the rude Irishe, wch Irishe , w hi ch beinge verie wyld
is now become some what somewhat more Civill , Civill, when is now become somewhat some what more Civill, Civill , when
as Englishe from Civillitie are growen to be wild as Englishe from Civillitie are growen to be wild
and mere Irishe . Irishe,: and mere Irishe,: Irishe .
Iren: Indeed as yee saye Eudox: These doe need a Iren: Indeed as yee saye Eudox: These doe need a
sharpe reformacon reformac i on then the verye Irish Irishe for sharpe reformac i on reformacon then the verye Irishe Irish for
they are much more stubborne , stubborne, and disobedyente to they are much more stubborne, stubborne , and disobedyente to
lawe and gou er ern m en t then the Irishe bee , bee, and much more Ma ma lawe and gou ern er m en t then the Irishe bee, bee , and much more ma Ma
llytious the Englishe that dalie are sente llytious the Englishe that dalie are sente
over : over: over: over :
Eudox: It is I s it possible I pray yow how comes yt to passe Eudox: I s it It is possible I pray yow how comes yt to passe
what might bee the reason thereof , .......... thereof, m OB they what might bee the reason thereof, m OB they thereof , ..........
Irenius saye Irenius saye
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Iren Iren: saye Marie they saye that the land is theires only onely Iren: Iren saye Marie they saye that the land is theires onely only
right beinge first conquered by theire ancytors , their ancytors, and right beinge first conquered by their ancytors, theire ancytors , and
that they are wronged by the Newe Englishe mens entring that they are wronged by the Newe Englishe mens entring
therevnto , therevnto, whom they call so S OB Sassona that is in therevnto, therevnto , whom they call S OB so Sassona that is in
Englishe w i th wth as greate reproch as they would rate a dogg Englishe wth w i th as greate reproch as they would rate a dogg
and that some of theire ancyetors were in tymes past a and that some of theire ancyetors were in tymes past a
where they were Civill and vncorrupted deputies where they were Civill and vncorrupted deputies
and Iustices of the land , land, they thincke that the and Iustices of the land, land , they thincke that the
lyke aucthoritie should bee comitted vnto them , them, and lyke aucthoritie should bee comitted vnto them, them , and
the charge of the realme lefte in theire handes the charge of the realme lefte in theire handes
w hi ch wch for that they see now otherwise disposed , disposed, and that wch w hi ch for that they see now otherwise disposed, disposed , and that
trust not gyven them w hi ch wch theire ancyetors had trust not gyven them wch w hi ch theire ancyetors had
they thincke them selues greatelie endygnified they thincke them selues greatelie endygnified
and disgraced thereby , thereby, and so growe both discontented and disgraced thereby, thereby , and so growe both discontented
and vndewtifull :: vndewtifull:: and vndewtifull:: vndewtifull ::
Eudox: In truth Irenius this is more then ever I hard Eudox: In truth Irenius this is more then ever I hard
that the Englishe Irishe there should bee worse that the Englishe Irishe there should bee worse
then the wyld Irishe , Irishe, Lord how quicklie doth then the wyld Irishe, Irishe , Lord how quicklie doth
that Countrie alter mens natures , natures, It is not for that Countrie alter mens natures, natures , It is not for
nothing I p er ceaue that I haue hearde the Counsell nothing I p er ceaue that I haue hearde the Counsell
of England thincke yt noe good pollycie to haue that of England thincke yt noe good pollycie to haue that
realme reformed reformd or planted w i th Englishe , wth Englishe, least realme reformd reformed or planted wth Englishe, w i th Englishe , least
they should growe so vnduetifull as the Irishe had Irishe, A nd they should growe so vnduetifull as the Irishe, A nd Irishe had
become much more dangerous as appeareth appereth by the become much more dangerous as appereth appeareth by the
example of Lacyes , Lacyes, in the tyme of Edwarde example of Lacyes, Lacyes , in the tyme of Edwarde
the second , w hi ch Second, wch yow spake of , of, that shooke of there the Second, wch second , w hi ch yow spake of, of , that shooke of there
religion to theire naturall Prince deuisinge to religion to theire naturall Prince deuisinge to
make him kinge of Ireland , : Ireland,: make him kinge of Ireland,: Ireland , :
Iren: Ireni: No tymes haue bene w i th out wthout badd men , men, but Ireni: Iren: No tymes haue bene wthout w i th out badd men, men , but
as for that purpose of the Counsell of England as for that purpose of the Counsell of England
w hi ch wch ye speake , speake, they should kepe the realme from wch w hi ch ye speake, speake , they should kepe the realme from
reformation reformation
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100 reformation, I thincke they are most lewdlie abused for reformation, I thincke they are most lewdlie abused for 100
reformation , I thincke they are most lewdlie abused for reformation , I thincke they are most lewdlie abused for
theire great carefullnes and earnest endeauor doe theire great carefullnes and earnest endeauor doe
wytnesse the contrarie , contrarie, neither is the nature of the wytnesse the contrarie, contrarie , neither is the nature of the
countrie to alter a mans mann er s , s, but the badd mindes myndes countrie to alter a mans mann er s, s , but the badd myndes mindes
of them whom hauvinge havinge bene brought vpp at home of them whom havinge hauvinge bene brought vpp at home
vnder a straight rule of duetie and obedyence , obedyence, beinge vnder a straight rule of duetie and obedyence, obedyence , beinge
alwayes restrayned by sharpe pennalties , pennalties, from alwayes restrayned by sharpe pennalties, pennalties , from
lewde behavior , behavior, so soone as the come thither , thither, where lewde behavior, behavior , so soone as the come thither, thither , where
they see lawe so slacklie tended , tended, and the harde ~ ~ -- they see lawe so slacklie tended, tended , and the harde -- ~ ~
w hi ch wch they were vsed vnto now slacked , slacked, they growe wch w hi ch they were vsed vnto now slacked, slacked , they growe
more loose and carelesse of theire duetie , duetie, as yt is more loose and carelesse of theire duetie, duetie , as yt is
the nature of all men to loue libertie , libertie, so they the nature of all men to loue libertie, libertie , so they
become flatt libertynes and fall to flatt lycencious become flatt libertynes and fall to flatt lycencious
nesse nesse, more boldlie daringe to disabaye the lawe nesse, nesse more boldlie daringe to disabaye the lawe
through p re sumption , sumption, of favor and frindshipp , frindshipp, then any through p re sumption, sumption , of favor and frindshipp, frindshipp , then any
Irishe dare . Irish dare,: Irish dare,: Irishe dare .
Eudox Eudox: Then yf yt bee soe mee thinckes you wished yor late Eudox: Eudox Then yf yt bee soe mee thinckes yor late you wished
the Irishe to be sowed and sprinckled w i th the English aduisem en t was verie evill, whereby yow wished aduisem en t was verie evill, whereby yow wished the Irishe to be sowed and sprinckled w i th the English
the Irishe countries to haue be sowed and sprinckled wth the English planted in all the Irishe countries to be sowed and sprinckled wth the haue English planted
amongst them for to bringe them to Englishe in all the Irish countries to haue English planted in all the Irish countries to haue English planted amongst them for to bringe them to Englishe
fashions amongst them , Since the for to bringe them to Englishe bee soner drawen amongst them fashions , for to bringe them to Since the Englishe bee soner drawen
to the Irishe , then the Irishe to fashions, Since the Englishe bee soner drawen fashions, Since to the Irishe , then the Irishe to the Englishe bee soner drawen
ffor as I said before they much runn w i th the streame to the Irishe, then the Irishe to the Englishe to the Irishe, then the Irishe to the Englishe ffor as I said before they much runn w i th the streame
the greater will carrye awaye the lesse , there For as I said before they much runn wth the streame For as I said before they much runn wth the streame the greater will carrye awaye the lesse , there
fore me semed by this reason , yt should be better to p ar te the greater will carrye awaye the lesse, there the greater will carrye awaye the lesse, there fore me semed by this reason , yt should be better to p ar te
the Irishe then the Englishe , then mingle them fore me semed by this reason, yt should be better to p ar te fore me semed by this reason, yt should be better to p ar te the Irishe then the Englishe , then mingle them
togeather : the Irishe then the Englishe, then mingle them the Irishe then the Englishe, then mingle them togeather :
Iren: Not so Eudox But where ther there is noe good togeather: togeather: Iren: Not so Eudox But where ther there is noe good
ostaye of gou er m en t and stronge Ordynances to hold them Iren: Not so Eudox But whe re ther there is noe good Iren: Not so Eudox But whe re ther there is noe good ostaye of gou er m en t and stronge Ordynances to hold them
there indeed , the fewer will followe the more staye of gou ern m en t and stronge Ordynances to hold them staye of gou ern m en t and stronge Ordynances to hold them there indeed , the fewer will followe the more
But where there indeed, the fewer will followe the more there indeed, the fewer will followe the more But where
But where: But where:
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But where there is due order of decyplyne and good But where there is due order of decyplyne and good
rule , rule, there the better shall goe formost , formost, and the worst rule, rule , there the better shall goe formost, formost , and the worst
shall followe , followe, And therefore , therefore, since Ireland is full shall followe, followe , And therefore, therefore , since Ireland is full
of her owne nation , nation, that maye not bee rooted out of her owne nation, nation , that maye not bee rooted out
and some what stored w i th wth englishe alreadye and more and some what stored wth w i th englishe alreadye and more
to be I thincke yt best by an vnion of mann er s e rs and confor to be I thincke yt best by an vnion of mann e rs er s and confor
mitie of myndes , myndes, to bringe them to bee one people , people, mitie of myndes, myndes , to bringe them to bee one people, people ,
and to putt awaye the dislike full concepte both of the and to putt awaye the dislike full concepte both of the
one and the other , w hi ch other, wch wilbe by noe meanes better then by this one and the other, wch other , w hi ch wilbe by noe meanes better then by this
enter mingelinge entermingelinge of them , them, that neyther all the Irishe entermingelinge enter mingelinge of them, them , that neyther all the Irishe
maye dwell togeather , togeather, nor all the Englishe , Englishe, but maye dwell togeather, togeather , nor all the Englishe, Englishe , but
by translatinge of them them, and scattringe them in small by translatinge of them, them and scattringe them in small
nombers , nombers, amongst the Englishe , Englishe, not onelye to bring nombers, nombers , amongst the Englishe, Englishe , not onelye to bring
them by dalye conversation vnto better lykinge of them by dalye conversation vnto better lykinge of
each other , other, but also to make both of them lesse able each other, other , but also to make both of them lesse able
to hurte : to hurte: And therefore when I come to the Tything to hurte: to hurte : And therefore when I come to the Tything
I will tythe them one w i th another ; wth another, and for the most I will tythe them one wth another, w i th another ; and for the most
p ar te will make the Irishe man the Tythingman ~ - p ar te will make the Irishe man the Tythingman - ~
whereby he shall take the lesse exception to ~ to- whereby he shall take the lesse exception to- to ~
p ar ciallatie , ciallatie, and yett bee the more tyed there by by: p ar ciallatie, ciallatie , and yett bee the more tyed there by: by
But when I come , come, to the Tythinge I will Ty But when I come, come , to the Tythinge I will Ty
head burrowe w hi ch wch is the heade of the lathe Lathe him head burrowe wch w hi ch is the heade of the Lathe lathe him
will I make an Englishe man or Irishe man of noe will I make an Englishe man or Irishe man of noe
small assurance assurance, As also when I come to appointe small assurance, assurance As also when I come to appointe
the Elderman that is the head of the hundred him the Elderman that is the head of the hundred him
will I surelie chuse an English man of speciall will I surelie chuse an English man of speciall
regard , regard, that maye bee a staye and piller p i ller of all regard, regard , that maye bee a staye and p i ller piller of all
the Burroughes vnder him : : him:: the Burroughes vnder him:: him : :
Eudox: What doe w i th yow meane by yo u r hundred , yor hundred, and what Eudox: What doe yow w i th meane by yor hundred, yo u r hundred , and what
by yo u r Burrough , by yor Burrough, by that w hi ch wch I haue redd in ancient anceint by yor Burrough, by yo u r Burrough , by that wch w hi ch I haue redd in anceint ancient
recordes of England , England, an hundred did containe 100 recordes of England, England , an hundred did containe 100
vyllages , vyllages, or as some saye an C plowlandes being vyllages, vyllages , or as some saye an C plowlandes being
the same w hi ch the Saxons , wch the Saxons, called a Cantred : Cantred: The the same wch the Saxons, w hi ch the Saxons , called Cantred: a Cantred : The
w hi ch wch wch w hi ch
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1001 The wch cantred as I fynde recorded in the blacke The wch cantred as I fynde recorded in the blacke 1001
The w hi ch cantred as I fynde recorded in the blacke booke of Ireland, did contayne 30 villatas terre , wch some booke of Ireland, did contayne 30 villatas terre , wch some The w hi ch cantred as I fynde recorded in the blacke
booke call quarters of Ireland , did contayne 30 villatas terre, w hi ch some land, and eu er ie Villata, can maintaine call quarters booke of land, and eu er ie Villata, can maintaine Ireland , did contayne 30 villatas terre, w hi ch some
call quarters of land , and eu er ie Vallata , can maintaine call quarters of land , and eu er ie Vallata , can maintaine
400 Cowes in pasture and the 400 Cowes to bee deuided 400 Cowes in pasture and the 400 Cowes to bee deuided
in fower heades , heades, so as none of them shall come nere in fower heades, heades , so as none of them shall come nere
another , another, eu er ie villata contayneth 17 plowlandes as ys another, another , eu er ie villata contayneth 17 plowlandes as ys
there sett downe . , And by that w hi ch wch I haue redd is of there sett downe , . And by that wch w hi ch I haue redd of is
a Burrough yt signifieth a free towne , w hi ch towne, wch had a Burrough yt signifieth a free towne, wch towne , w hi ch had
a principall offycer , offycer, called an head burrough to a principall offycer, offycer , called an head burrough to
become ruler and vndertake for all , all, the dwellers become ruler and vndertake for all, all , the dwellers
vnder him him, havinge for the same same franchises vnder him, him havinge for the same same franchises
and p ri vilidges granted them by the kinge whereof and p ri vilidges granted them by the kinge whereof
yt was called a free burrough of the lawer lawyer yt was called a free burrough of the lawyer lawer
Franciplegiu m : Franciplegiu m :
Iren: Both that w hi ch wch yee said Eudox: Eudox : is true , true, and yett Iren: Both that wch w hi ch yee said Eudox : Eudox: is true, true , and yett
that w hi ch that wch I saye not vntrewe , vntrewe, for that w hi ch wch yee speake that wch that w hi ch I saye not vntrewe, vntrewe , for that wch w hi ch yee speake
of deuidinge the Countrie into hundreds hundredes was a deuisio n of deuidinge the Countrie into hundredes hundreds was a deuisio n
of the landes of the realme , realme, But this w hi ch wch I tell , is was of the landes of the realme, realme , But this wch w hi ch I tell was , is
of the people who were thus devyded , but devyded, by the poll so of the people who were thus devyded, by devyded , but the poll so
that an hundred in this sence signifieth , signifieth, C pledges that an hundred in this sence signifieth, signifieth , C pledges
w hi ch wch were vnder the Comaund and assurance of theire Alder wch w hi ch were vnder the Comaund and assurance of theire Alder
men , men, the w hi ch wch as I suppose was also called a weapon weopon men, men , the wch w hi ch as I suppose was also called a weopon weapon
tacke , tacke, so named of touchinge the wapon or sparke tacke, tacke , so named of touchinge the wapon or sparke
of theire Alderman and swearinge to follow him of theire Alderman and swearinge to follow him
faithfullie and serue theire Prince trulie trulie, But faithfullie and serue theire Prince trulie, trulie But
others , others, thincke that a weoportacke weopontacke was 10 hundredes others, others , thincke that a weopontacke weoportacke was 10 hundredes
or Burroughes , Burroughes, likewise a Burrough as I here or Burroughes, Burroughes , likewise a Burrough as I here
vse yt , yt, and as the old lawes still vsed yt is vse yt, yt , and as the old lawes still vsed yt is
not a Burrough Towne as they now call yt , yt, that not a Burrough Towne as they now call yt, yt , that
is a franchist Towne but a mayne pledge of c C free is a franchist Towne but a mayne pledge of C c free
p er sons therefore called a free burrough freeburrough or (as ye said p er sons therefore called a freeburrough free burrough or (as ye said
saye Franciplegiu m , for Borth in ould Saxon saye saye Franciplegiu m , for Borth in ould Saxon saye
signifieth signifyeth signifyeth signifieth
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signifieth signifiethe a pledges or suertie , and yt yett is so vsedth in signifiethe signifieth a pledges or suertie , and yt yett is so vsedth in
some speaches , speaches, as Chaucer saythe St S t John to Barrow some speaches, speaches , as Chaucer saythe S t St John to Barrow
that is for assurance and warrantie : warrantie: that is for assurance and warrantie: warrantie :
Eudox: I conceaue the difference but now that ye haue Eudox: I conceaue the difference but now that ye haue
thus deuided the people into these tythings those tythinges and hundredes thus deuided the people into those tythinges these tythings and hundredes
how will ye haue them so p er re serued and contynewed , contynewed, for how will ye haue them so p re er serued and contynewed, contynewed , for
people doe growe vpp into strength of yeares & bec people doe growe vpp into strength of yeares & bec
and become men and become men
Iren Iren: These hundredes I would to assemble them selues once Iren: Iren These hundredes I would to assemble them selues once
eu er ie yeare w i th wth theire pledges , pledges, and to p re sente them ~ them- eu er ie yeare wth w i th theire pledges, pledges , and to p re sente them- them ~
selues before the Iustices of th e ye peace w hi ch wch shalbe there selues before the Iustices of ye th e peace wch w hi ch shalbe there
vnto appointed , appointed, to bee survayed and nombred , nombred, to see vnto appointed, appointed , to bee survayed and nombred, nombred , to see
what change hath happened since the yeare before before, what change hath happened since the yeare before, before
and the defectes defectes, and to supplye of those yonge and the defectes, defectes and to supplye of those yonge
plantes late growen vpp w hi ch wch are deligentlye to plantes late growen vpp wch w hi ch are deligentlye to
bee ^ ou er looked and veiwed , veiwed, of what Condycon and ~ Condyc i on and - bee ^ ou er looked and veiwed, veiwed , of what Condyc i on and - Condycon and ~
demeanour they bee , bee, so as pldeges pledges may bee taken demeanour they bee, bee , so as pledges pldeges may bee taken
for them , them, and they putt into order of some tything for them, them , and they putt into order of some tything
of all w hi ch alteracons , wch alteracons, note is to bee taken and of all wch alteracons, w hi ch alteracons , note is to bee taken and
bookes made thereof accordinglie :: accordinglie:: bookes made thereof accordinglie:: accordinglie ::
Eudox: , Now mee thinckes Irenius ye are to be warned Eudox: , Now mee thinckes Irenius ye are to be warned
to take good head , head, least vnawarrs yee ye fall into the to take good head, head , least vnawarrs ye yee fall into the
inconveniencies w hi ch wch yow form er lie found faulte w i th wth in inconveniencies wch w hi ch yow form er lie found faulte wth w i th in
others , others, namely that by this boking of them yow doe others, others , namely that by this boking of them yow doe
not gather them into a newe head , head, and having broken not gather them into a newe head, head , and having broken
theire form er strength strength, doe not againe vinte vnite them theire form er strength, strength doe not againe vnite vinte them
more stronglie , for eu er y Alderman havinge all his more stronglie , for eu er y Alderman havinge all his
free pledges of his hundred , hundred, vnder his Comaund , Comaund, may free pledges of his hundred, hundred , vnder his Comaund, Comaund , may
l me thinckes , mee thinckes, yf he bee yll disposed disposed, drawe all l mee thinckes, me thinckes , yf he bee yll disposed, disposed drawe all
his Companye into any evill action and lykwise his Companye into any evill action and lykwise
by this assemblinge OB of them once a yeare vnto by this assemblinge OB of them once a yeare vnto
theire theire: theire: theire
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102 102
vnto there Alderman by theire weapontackes take vnto there Alderman by theire weapontackes take
head least ye also giue them occasion and meanes head least ye also giue them occasion and meanes
to practize any harme in any conspirecye : conspirocye: to practize any harme in any conspirocye: conspirecye :
Iren: Neither of both is to bee doubted , dubted, for the Elder Iren: Neither of both is to bee dubted, doubted , for the Elder
man and he and burrowes headburrowes will not bee such men of man and headburrowes he and burrowes will not bee such men of
power and countenance of them selues being to power and countenance of them selues being to
bee chosen therevnto , therevnto, as need to bee feared , feared, neyther bee chosen therevnto, therevnto , as need to bee feared, feared , neyther
yf hee were were, is his hundred at his comaund yf hee were, were is his hundred at his comaund
farther further then his princes service , service, and also eu er ie further farther then his princes service, service , and also eu er ie
tythingman maye controll him in such a Casse tythingman maye controll him in such a Casse
and as for the assemblinge of the hundred and as for the assemblinge of the hundred
as for the assemblinge of the hundred as for the assemblinge of the hundred
much lesse is any danger thereof to bee much lesse is any danger thereof to bee
doubted seing seeinge yt is before a Iustice of peace doubted seeinge seing yt is before a Iustice of peace
or some high Constable to bee there vnto appointed , appointed, or some high Constable to bee there vnto appointed, appointed ,
so as of those Tythinges there can noe p er ill ensewe , ensewe, so as of those Tythinges there can noe p er ill ensewe, ensewe ,
but a certaine assurance of peace and great good but a certaine assurance of peace and great good
for they aree thereby w i th drawen wthdrawen from theire lordes for they aree thereby wthdrawen w i th drawen from theire lordes
and subiected to theire Prince , Prince, Moreover for and subiected to theire Prince, Prince , Moreover for
the breakinge of these heades and septes w hi ch wch the breakinge of these heades and septes wch w hi ch
I told yow was one of the greatest strengthes I told yow was one of the greatest strengthes
of the Irishe , Irishe, me thinckes yt should doe verie of the Irishe, Irishe , me thinckes yt should doe verie
well to renewe that old Statute that was well to renewe that old Statute that was
made in the raigne of in England , England, made in the raigne of in England, England ,
By w hi ch wch yt was Comaunded , comaunded, that whereas all men By wch w hi ch yt was comaunded, Comaunded , that whereas all men
that vsed to be called by the name of theire that vsed to be called by the name of theire
septes according to there seu er all nations and hadd septes according to there seu er all nations and hadd
noe surnames at all , all, that from thenceforthe thence forthe noe surnames at all, all , that from thence forthe thenceforthe
each one should take vnto him self a seu er all each one should take vnto him self a seu er all
surname of OB eyther of his trade or facultie or surname OB of eyther of his trade or facultie or
of some : of some :
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of some qualltie of his bodye or mynde , mynde, or of the place of some qualltie of his bodye or mynde, mynde , or of the place
where he dwelte , dwelte, so as everie one should bee distinquished distinguished where he dwelte, dwelte , so as everie one should bee distinguished distinquished
from other or from the most p ar te whereby where by they shall from other or from the most p ar te where by whereby they shall
not onelye not depend vpon the head of theire sept as not onelye not depend vpon the head of theire sept as
now they doe , doe, but also shall in shorte tyme learne quite now they doe, doe , but also shall in shorte tyme learne quite
to forgette this Irishe nation and herew i th all herewthall would to forgette this Irishe nation and herewthall herew i th all would
I also wishe , wishe, all the Others Othes and the markes w hi ch wch I also wishe, wishe , all the Othes Others and the markes wch w hi ch
the heades of septes haue taken to theire names to bee the heades of septes haue taken to theire names to bee
vtterlye vterrlye forbydden and extinguished , extinguished, for that the same vterrlye vtterlye forbydden and extinguished, extinguished , for that the same
beinge an ould old mann er (as some sayth ) sayth) first made by Obri en Obrin beinge an old ould mann er (as some sayth) sayth ) first made by Obrin Obri en
for the strengtheninge of the Irishe , Irishe, the abrogating for the strengtheninge of the Irishe, Irishe , the abrogating
thereof will as much enfeble them thereof will as much enfeble them
Eudox: I lyke this ordynance verie well , well, but now þ a y t Eudox: I lyke this ordynance verie well, well , but now y þ a t
yow haue thus deuided and distinguished them what other yow haue thus deuided and distinguished them what other
order will yow take for there manner of lyfe , for lyfe, for order will yow take for there manner of lyfe, for lyfe , for
all this through though p er happs yt maye kepe them from all this though through p er happs yt maye kepe them from
dissobedyence and disloyaltie , disloyaltie, yet will yt not dissobedyence and disloyaltie, disloyaltie , yet will yt not
bringe them from theire barborisme and salvage lyfe bringe them from theire barborisme and salvage lyfe
Iren: The next that I will doe shalbe to appoint to eu er ie Iren: The next that I will doe shalbe to appoint to eu er ie
one that is not able to lyve of his frehold a certaine one that is not able to lyve of his frehold a certaine
trade of lyfe to w hi ch wch he shall fynde him self fyttest trade of lyfe to wch w hi ch he shall fynde him self fyttest
and shalbe thought a blest , ablest, the w hi ch wch trade he shalbe shalbbe and shalbe thought ablest, a blest , the wch w hi ch trade he shalbbe shalbe
bound to followe and lyve onelye therevpon , therevpon, All bound to followe and lyve onelye therevpon, therevpon , All
trades therefore ys to be vnderstood to bee of three trades therefore ys to be vnderstood to bee of three
kyndes , mannuell kyndes, Mannuell intellectuall and mixed , mixed, the one kyndes, Mannuell kyndes , mannuell intellectuall and mixed, mixed , the one
Contayninge all such as need the exercyse of bodelie Contayninge all such as need the exercyse of bodelie
labour to the p er formance of theire p ro fession , the fession, the labour to the p er formance of theire p ro fession, the fession , the
other consistinge onelye of the exercyse of witt other consistinge onelye of the exercyse of witt
and reason , and reason, the thirde p ar te of bodelye labour and and reason, and reason , the thirde p ar te of bodelye labour and
p ar te of the wytt , wytt, but depending of Industrye and p ar te of the wytt, wytt , but depending of Industrye and
Carefulnes Carefulnes
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. 103 Carefulness, Of the first sorte bee all handye craftes Carefulness, Of the first sorte bee all handye craftes . 103
Carefulnes , Of and husbandrie labour, of the first sorte second bee all handyecraftes scyences and husbandrie labour, of Carefulnes , Of the second first sorte bee all scyences handyecraftes
and husbandrie labour , those wch are called the liberrall the Artes, of the second bee all scyences and those wch are called the liberrall the Artes, husbandrie labour , of the second bee all scyences
third is marchandrie and those w hi ch are called the liberall the Artes ; of the chufferye, that is buyinge and chufferye, that is buyinge those w hi ch are called the liberall the Artes ; of the
and chafferye , that is buyinge sellinge, And wthout all these three theire is noe third is marchandrie and sellinge, And wthout all these three theire is noe chafferye , that is buyinge
noe Comon wealth can almost consist or at the least and sellinge , And w i th out all these three there is noe Comon wealth can almost consist or at the least
moe Comon wealth can almost consist or at the least be p er fect, But that wretched Realme of Ireland be p er fect, But that wretched Realme of Ireland moe Comon wealth can almost consist or at the least
be p re sent , But wanteth the most principall of Ireland them, that wretched Realme is the wanteth the most principall be p re sent , But that is the wretched Realme of them, Ireland
wanteth the most principall of them , that is the Intellectuall, Therefore in sekinge to refore her Intellectuall, Therefore in sekinge to refore her wanteth the most principall of them , that is the
Intellectuall , Therefore in sekinge estate yt is speciallie to refor m e her bee looked vnto, But estate yt is speciallie Intellectuall , Therefore in sekinge to bee looked vnto, But refor m e her
estate yt is speciallie to bee looked Because of husbandrye wch supplyeth vnto , But vs all Because of husbandrye wch supplyeth estate yt is speciallie to bee looked vnto vs all , But
Because of husbandrye w hi ch supplyeth vnto vs all Because of husbandrye w hi ch supplyeth vnto vs all
thinges necessarie for food whereby wee cheifelye thinges necessarie for food whereby wee cheifelye
lyve , lyve, therefore it is first to be p ro vided uided for The first lyve, lyve , therefore it is first to be p ro uided vided for The first
thinge then that wee care OB are to drawe , drawe, these newe thinge then that wee OB are care to drawe, drawe , these newe
tythed men vnto ought to be husbandrie , husbandrie, first because tythed men vnto ought to be husbandrie, husbandrie , first because
yt is the most easie to bee learned , learned, nedinge onelie yt is the most easie to bee learned, learned , nedinge onelie
the labour of the bodye , bodye, next because yt is most the labour of the bodye, bodye , next because yt is most
naturall , naturall, and lastlie because yt is most needful needfull naturall, naturall , and lastlie because yt is most needfull needful
enemye to warr and most hateth vnquietnesse , vnquietnesse, as enemye to warr and most hateth vnquietnesse, vnquietnesse , as
the Poett sayth sayth, Bella execrata Colonis , But ~ - the Poett sayth, sayth Bella execrata Colonis , But - ~
husbandrye beinge the Nurse of thirste thrifte and the husbandrye beinge the Nurse of thrifte thirste and the
daughter of Industrie , Industrie, and labour detesteth all daughter of Industrie, Industrie , and labour detesteth all
that maye may worke her scathe and distroye the that may maye worke her scathe and distroye the
travell of her handes , handes, whose hope is all her travell of her handes, handes , whose hope is all her
lyves comforte vnto the plough , plough, there fore are all lyves comforte vnto the plough, plough , there fore are all
those Kearne Stochars Stochas and horseboyes to bee driven those Kearne Stochas Stochars and horseboyes to bee driven
ad and made to imploye that ablenesse of bodye w hi ch wch ad and made to imploye that ablenesse of bodye wch w hi ch
they wonte to vse to thefte and villanye henceforth they wonte to vse to thefte and villanye henceforth
to labour and husbandrie , husbandrie, In the w hi ch wch by that tyme to labour and husbandrie, husbandrie , In the wch w hi ch by that tyme
they haue spent but a lyttle paine , paine, they will find they haue spent but a lyttle paine, paine , they will find
such swetnes such swetnes
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such swetenes and happye Contentm en t , that they will such swetenes and happye Contentm en t , that they will
hardlie afterwardes be hayled awaye from yt or hardlie afterwardes be hayled awaye from yt or
drawne from theire wonted lewde lyfe in theiferie drawne from theire wonted lewde lyfe in theiferie
and rogerie , and rogerie, and beinge this once enterred therevnto and rogerie, and rogerie , and beinge this once enterred therevnto
they are not onelie to be countenanced and encourraged encorraged they are not onelie to be countenanced and encorraged encourraged
by all good meanes , meanes, but also p ro vided that theire by all good meanes, meanes , but also p ro vided that theire
children after them maye bee brought vpp in the children after them maye bee brought vpp in the
lykewise in that same and succeed in the romes of lykewise in that same and succeed in the romes of
theire fathers , fathers, To w hi ch wch end there is a statute in theire fathers, fathers , To wch w hi ch end there is a statute in
Ireland all readye well prouided w hi ch wch comaundeth Ireland all readye well prouided wch w hi ch comaundeth
that all the sonnes of husbandmen husbandmon shalbe trayned that all the sonnes of husbandmon husbandmen shalbe trayned
vpp in theire fathers trade , trade, the but yt is god wote vpp in theire fathers trade, trade , the but yt is god wote
verie slenderlie loked vnto : vnto: verie slenderlie loked vnto: vnto :
Eudox: , But doe yow not counte in this trade of husb Eudox: , But doe yow not counte in this trade of husb
andrie pasturinge of Cattell and kepinge of theire andrie pasturinge of Cattell and kepinge of theire
Cowes , Cowes, for that is reckoned as a p ar te of husbandrie husbandrie: Cowes, Cowes , for that is reckoned as a p ar te of husbandrie: husbandrie
Iren I knowe yt is and needfullie to be vsed , vsed, but Iren I knowe yt is and needfullie to be vsed, vsed , but
I doe not meane to allowe any of these able bodies I doe not meane to allowe any of these able bodies
w hi ch wch are able to vse bodelie labour , labour, to followe a fewe wch w hi ch are able to vse bodelie labour, labour , to followe a fewe
Cowes , grasinge , Cowes, grasinge, but such impotente p er sons as being Cowes, grasinge, Cowes , grasinge , but such impotente p er sons as being
vnable for stronge travell , travell, are yet able to driue vnable for stronge travell, travell , are yet able to driue
Cattell to and fro the pasture , ffor pasture, For this keping of Cattell to and fro the pasture, For pasture , ffor this keping of
Cowes ys of yt self a verie averie Idle lyfe and a fytt Cowes ys of yt self averie a verie Idle lyfe and a fytt
nurserie for a theif , ffor w hi ch theif,: For wch cause yee remember nurserie for a theif,: For wch theif , ffor w hi ch cause yee remember
I disliked ^ the Irishmann ye Irish mann er for kepinge of Bollies in sommer vpon I disliked ye Irish mann ^ the Irishmann er for kepinge of Bollies in sommer vpon
the mountaine and lyvinge after that salvage sorte the mountaine and lyvinge after that salvage sorte
But yf they will alwayes feed in m any Cattle or kepe But yf they will alwayes feed m in any Cattle or kepe
them on the mountaines , mountaines, lett them make some townes them on the mountaines, mountaines , lett them make some townes
nere to the mountaines syde where they maye dwell nere to the mountaines syde where they maye dwell
togeather w i th neigbors wth neighbors and bee conversant in the togeather wth neighbors w i th neigbors and bee conversant in the
vewe veiwe of the world , world, And to saye truth though veiwe vewe of the world, world , And to saye truth though
Ireland Ireland
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1074 Ireland bee by nature counted agreate soyle of - Ireland bee by nature counted agreate soyle of - 1074
Ireland bee by nature counted a greate soyle of pasture, yett had I rather haue fewer Cowes kept pasture, yett had I rather haue fewer Cowes kept Ireland bee by nature counted a greate soyle of
pasture , yett had I rather and men better mannred, then to haue fewer Cowes kept such huge and men better mannred, then to pasture , yett had I rather haue such huge fewer Cowes kept
increase of Cattell, and men better mannreed , then to haue such huge noe increase of good and noe increase of good men better mannreed , then to haue such huge
increase of Cattell , and noe increase of good Condycons, I would therefore wishe that there were Condycons, I would therefore wishe that there were increase of Cattell , and noe increase of good
Condycons , I would therefore wishe some ordynance made amongst them, that there were what so OB some ordynance made amongst them, Condycons , I would therefore wishe that what so OB there were
some ordynance made amongst them , that what so eu er kepeth 20 kien should kepe a plough goinge, for other eu er kepeth 20 kien should kepe a plough goinge, for other some ordynance made amongst them , that what so
eu er kepeth 20 kien should kepe a plough goinge , for other eu er kepeth 20 kien should kepe a plough goinge , for other
wise all men would fall to pasturaige and none to wise all men would fall to pasturaige and none to
husbandrie , w hi ch husbandrie, wch is a great agreat cause of this dear th , dea r th, now husbandrie, wch husbandrie , w hi ch is agreat a great cause of this dea r th, dear th , now
in England , England, and a cause of the vsuall Countries that stealthes - in England, England , and a cause of the vsuall stealthes - Countries that
lyve nowe in such sorte by kepinge of Cattle , and yow shall Ireland, for looke into all Countries that nowe lyve in Ireland, for looke into all Countries that such sorte by kepinge of Cattle , and yow shall
lyve in such sorte by kepinge of Cattle, and yow shall lyve in such sorte by kepinge of Cattle, and yow shall
fynde that they are verie barbarous and vncyvill fynde that they are verie barbarous and vncyvill
and ^ a lso also greatlie geven to warr , warr, The Tartarians Tartanians and also ^ a lso greatlie geven to warr, warr , The Tartanians Tartarians
the Muscovites , the Norwayes , the Muscovites, the Norwayes, the Gotes , the the Muscovites, the Norwayes, the Muscovites , the Norwayes , the Gotes , the
Armenians and many other doe wytnes the same Armenians and many other doe wytnes the same
And there fore therefore since noe now wee purpose to drawe And therefore there fore since noe now wee purpose to drawe
the Irishe , Irishe, from desyre of warrs and tumultes the Irishe, Irishe , from desyre of warrs and tumultes
to the loue of peace and civillitie , Civillitie, It is expedient to the loue of peace and Civillitie, civillitie , It is expedient
to abridge , abridge, theire Custome of heardinge and augment to abridge, abridge , theire Custome of heardinge and augment
theire more trade of tillinge and husbandrie , husbandrie, as theire more trade of tillinge and husbandrie, husbandrie , as
for other occupations and trades they need not to be enforced for other occupations and trades they need not to be enforced
to , to, but eu er ye man bound onelie to followe that he to, to , but eu er ye man bound onelie to followe that he
thinckes him self aptest for , ffor for, For other trades of Ar thinckes him self aptest for, For for , ffor other trades of Ar
tyficers wilbe occupyed and for verie necessitie and tyficers wilbe occupyed and for verie necessitie and
constrayned vse of them , them, And so likewise will constrayned vse of them, them , And so likewise will
marchandize for the gaine thereof , thereof, But learning marchandize for the gaine thereof, thereof , But learning
and bringine bringinge vpp in liberrall scyences will not come and bringinge bringine vpp in liberrall scyences will not come
of yt self but must bee drawen on w i th wth straight of yt self but must bee drawen on wth w i th straight
lawes and ordynances , ordynances, And therefore yt were meete lawes and ordynances, ordynances , And therefore yt were meete
that such that such
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that such an acte were ordayned ordayned. That all the sonnes that such an acte were ordayned. ordayned That all the sonnes
of Lordes and gent lemen and such others as are able to of Lordes and gent lemen and such others as are able to
bringe them vpp in Learninge , Learninge, should be traynd vpp bringe them vpp in Learninge, Learninge , should be traynd vpp
herein from theire Childhoodes Childhoodes, And for that end herein from theire Childhoodes, Childhoodes And for that end
eu er ie p ar ishe should bee forced to keepe one Pettie eu er ie p ar ishe should bee forced to keepe one Pettie
scholemaster , scolemaster, adioyninge vnto the p ar ishe charge churge to bee scolemaster, scholemaster , adioyninge vnto the p ar ishe churge charge to bee
the more in veiwe , w hi ch veiwe, wch should bringe vpp theire childre n the more in veiwe, wch veiwe , w hi ch should bringe vpp theire childre n
in the first rudymentes of l ett res , res, and that in eu er ie in the first rudymentes of l ett res, res , and that in eu er ie
Countrie or Barrowrye they Barronrye other should epe kepe another Countrie or Barronrye other Barrowrye they should kepe epe another
able scolemaster , w hi ch scolemaster, wch should instruct them in able scolemaster, wch scolemaster , w hi ch should instruct them in
grammer , grammer, and in the principles of scyences to whom grammer, grammer , and in the principles of scyences to whom
they should be compelled to send theire youthe to they should be compelled to send theire youthe to
bee discyplined , discyplined, whereby they will in shorte time bee discyplined, discyplined , whereby they will in shorte time
growe vpp to that Civill conversation conversation, that both the growe vpp to that Civill conversation, conversation that both the
children will loathe the form er rudnesse in w hi ch wch they children will loathe the form er rudnesse in wch w hi ch they
were bredd , bredd, and also there parence will even by then some thensam were bredd, bredd , and also there parence will even by thensam then some
p ar te ple of there yonge Children , Children, p er ceaue the fowlenes of ple p ar te of there yonge Children, Children , p er ceaue the fowlenes of
there theire owne brutishe behauior compared to theirs , ffor , theirs, For theire there owne brutishe behauior compared to theirs, For theirs , ffor ,
learninge hath that wonderfull power of yt self learninge hath that wonderfull power of yt self
that yt can soften and temp er the most stearne and that yt can soften and temp er the most stearne and
salvage nature : nature: salvage nature: nature :
Eudox: Surelie I am of yow yor mynd that nothinge will Eudox: Surelie I am of yor yow mynd that nothinge will
bringe them from there vncyvell life soner then lear bringe them from there vncyvell life soner then lear
ninge and discipline , discipline, next after the knowledge ninge and discipline, discipline , next after the knowledge
and feare of god , god, And therefore I doe still expect and feare of god, god , And therefore I doe still expect
that yee should come there vnto and sett some order ~ ~ -- that yee should come there vnto and sett some order -- ~ ~
for reformacon reformac i on of religion w hi ch wch is first to bee ~~ bee-- for reformac i on reformacon of religion wch w hi ch is first to bee-- bee ~~
respected accordinge to the sayinge of Christ ~~ Christ-- respected accordinge to the sayinge of Christ-- Christ ~~
first seeke the kingdome of heaven and the righ first seeke the kingdome of heaven and the righ
tuousnesse thereof : thereof: tuousnesse thereof: thereof :
Iren: I haue Iren: I haue
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1005 Iren I haue in mynde so to doe, But lett me I pray Iren I haue in mynde so to doe, But lett me I pray 1005
Iren I haue yow first fynishe that wch I had in mynde so to doe , But lett me I pray hand, wherby yow first fynishe that wch I had Iren I haue in hand, wherby mynde so to doe , But lett me I pray
yow first fynishe that w hi ch I had in hand , whereby all the ordynances wch shall after after wardes all the ordynances wch shall after after wardes yow first fynishe that w hi ch I had in hand , whereby
all the ordynances w hi ch shall after after wardes all the ordynances w hi ch shall after after wardes
bee sett for religion may abyde the more firmelie and bee sett for religion may abyde the more firmelie and
bee obserued more deligentelie , deligentelie, Now that this ~ - bee obserued more deligentelie, deligentelie , Now that this - ~
people is thus tythed there wilbe some straglers people is thus tythed there wilbe some straglers
and runnagates and ordred and eu er ie one bound vnto and runnagates and ordred and eu er ie one bound vnto
some honest trade of lyfe w hi ch wch shalbe p ar ticulerlie some honest trade of lyfe wch w hi ch shalbe p ar ticulerlie
entred and sett downe in Tythinge bookes bookes, yett p er happs entred and sett downe in Tythinge bookes, bookes yett p er happs
there wilbe some straglers and runnagates w hi ch wch there wilbe some straglers and runnagates wch w hi ch
will not of them selues come in and yeild them will not of them selues come in and yeild them
selues to this order , order, And yett after the well fynish selues to this order, order , And yett after the well fynish
inge of the p re sente warr , warr, and establishinge of inge of the p re sente warr, warr , and establishinge of
the garrisons in all stronge places of the Countrie the garrisons in all stronge places of the Countrie
where there wounted refuge was most most, I suppose where there wounted refuge was most, most I suppose
there will fewe stande out , out, or yf they doe they there will fewe stande out, out , or yf they doe they
will shortelie bee brought in by the eares : eares: will shortelie bee brought in by the eares: eares :
But yett afterwardes least any one of these should But yett afterwardes least any one of these should
swarue or any that is tyed to a trade should afterw swarue or any that is tyed to a trade should afterw
ardes not followe the same according to this ~ ~ -- ardes not followe the same according to this -- ~ ~
Institution , Institution, but should stragle vpp and downe the Institution, Institution , but should stragle vpp and downe the
Countrye or myche in Corners amongst there Countrye or myche in Corners amongst there
freindes , freindes, idlye as Carrowe and Bardes Iesters freindes, freindes , idlye as Carrowe and Bardes Iesters
and such lyke , lyke, I would wishe that there were and such lyke, lyke , I would wishe that there were
a provost m ar shall appointed in eu er ie shire w hi ch wch a provost m ar shall appointed in eu er ie shire wch w hi ch
should countynewallie contynewallie walke through the Countrie should contynewallie countynewallie walke through the Countrie
w i th wth half dozen of or half a score , store, horsemen to wth w i th half dozen of or half a store, score , horsemen to
take vpp such looes loose p er sons as they should finde thus take vpp such loose looes p er sons as they should finde thus
wandr ing , wand r ing, whom he should punishe by his owne wand r ing, wandr ing , whom he should punishe by his owne
aucthoritie aucthoritie
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aucthoritie w i th wth such paines as the p er sons should seme aucthoritie wth w i th such paines as the p er sons should seme
to deserue , deserue, for yf he bee but once so taken ydelye to deserue, deserue , for yf he bee but once so taken ydelye
roginge he may maye punishe him more lightlie ~ lightlie- roginge he maye may punishe him more lightlie- lightlie ~
as w i th stookes wth strookes or such like , like, But yf he bee found as wth strookes w i th stookes or such like, like , But yf he bee found
againe so loytring he may maye scourge him w i th whipps wth whipp s againe so loytring he maye may scourge him wth whipp s w i th whipps
or roddes , roddes, After w hi ch wch if hee bee againe taken or roddes, roddes , After wch w hi ch if hee bee againe taken
lett him haue the bitternes of the m ar shall lawe lett him haue the bitternes of the m ar shall lawe
likewise like wise yf any rellickes of the old rebbellion like wise likewise yf any rellickes of the old rebbellion
bee found by him , him, that eyther haue not come in bee found by him, him , that eyther haue not come in
and submitteth him self , self, to the lawe , lawe, or that and submitteth him self, self , to the lawe, lawe , or that
havinge once come in doe breake forth againe havinge once come in doe breake forth againe
or walke disorderlie , disorderlie, let them tast taist of the same or walke disorderlie, disorderlie , let them taist tast of the same
cupp in godes name for yt was due to them for theire first cupp in godes name for yt was due to them for theire first
guilte , guilte, and now beinge revived by theire latter loosenes loosenes, lett guilte, guilte , and now beinge revived by theire latter loosenes, loosenes lett
them haue there theire first deserte , defecte, as now beinge found vnfytt them haue theire there first defecte, deserte , as now beinge found vnfytt
to lyve in a comon wealth : com m on wealth: to lyve in a com m on wealth: comon wealth :
Eudox Eudox: This were a good agood mann er , but mee thinkes thinckes Eudox: Eudox This were agood a good mann er , but mee thinckes thinkes
yt is an vnnecessarie charge and also vnfytte to ~~ -- yt is an vnnecessarie charge and also vnfytte to -- ~~
contynewe the name or forme of any m ar shall law contynewe the name or forme of any m ar shall law
when as theire is a p ap ro p er officer alreadye appointed for when as theire is ap a p ro p er officer alreadye appointed for
these turnes , turnes, to witte the sherif of the shire whose these turnes, turnes , to witte the sherif of the shire whose
perticular offyce yt is to walke contynewallie perticular offyce yt is to walke contynewallie
vpp and downe downe, his Balliwicke as yee wold would would would vpp and downe, downe his Balliwicke as yee would would wold would
haue a m ar shall to snatch vpp all those Runnagates haue a m ar shall to snatch vpp all those Runnagates
and vnp ro fitable members , members, and to bringe them to and vnp ro fitable members, members , and to bringe them to
his gaole to bee punished for the same , same, therefore his gaole to bee punished for the same, same , therefore
this maye welbe spared : spared: this maye welbe spared: spared :
Iren: Not so mee semes for though the sherif haue that Iren: Not so mee semes for though the sherif haue that
aucthoritie vpon him self to take vpp all such aucthoritie vpon him self to take vpp all such
straglers and ymp ri son them , them, yett shall he not doe straglers and ymp ri son them, them , yett shall he not doe
so much good nor worke that terror in the hartes so much good nor worke that terror in the hartes
of them of them
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1006 of them, that a m ar shall will, when they shall knowe of them, that a m ar shall will, when they shall knowe 1006
to haue power of them , that a m ar shall will , when they shall knowe life and death, in such Caises & of life and death, in such Caises & them , that a m ar shall will , when they shall knowe
speciallie to haue power of life and death , in such Caises & bee appointed for them: neither doth yt to bee appointed for them: neither doth yt haue power of life and death , in such Caises &
speciallie hinder, but that though yt p er taine, to bee appointed for them neither doth the sherife hinder, but that though speciallie to the sherife bee appointed for them neither doth yt p er taine,
hinder but that though yt p er taine to maye doe therein, what he can, and yett the sherife m ar shall maye doe therein, what he can, and yett hinder but that though yt p er taine to the m ar shall sherife
maye walke his course besides, for both of them maye doe therein , what he can , and yett the m ar shall maye doe therein , what he can , and yett the m ar shall
maye walke his course besides , for both of them maye doe the more good and maye terrefie the Idle rogue, the more good and maye terrefie the Idle rogue, maye walke his course besides , for both of them maye doe
the more good and maye terrefie the Idle rogue knowinge that thoughe he haue a watche vpon the knowinge that thoughe he haue a watche vpon the the more good and maye terrefie the Idle rogue
knowinge that though one yett he haue a watche maye ligh vpon the other, but this p ro viso one yett knowinge that though he maye ligh haue a watche vpon the other, but this p ro viso
one yett he maye light vpp is need full to bee had in this p ro viso case, that the other , but is need full to bee had in one yett he maye light vpp the other , but this case, that p ro viso
sherif maye not haue the like power of life as the sherif maye not haue the like power of life as the
m ar shall hathe , hathe, and as heretofore they haue bene m ar shall hathe, hathe , and as heretofore they haue bene
accustomed , accustomed, for yt is dangerous to giue power of life accustomed, accustomed , for yt is dangerous to giue power of life
into the handes of him w hi ch wch maye haue benefyte bennefyte by the into the handes of him wch w hi ch maye haue bennefyte benefyte by the
p ar ties death , death, As yf the said loose lyver haue anye p ar ties death, death , As yf the said loose lyver haue anye
goodes of his owne the sherif is as to seize therevpon thervpon goodes of his owne the sherif as is to seize thervpon therevpon
where by yt hath comen com m en ofte to passe that some who where by yt hath com m en comen ofte to passe that some who
haue not p er happs deserued iudgement of deathe haue not p er happs deserued iudgement of deathe
though otherwise p er happs offendinge , offendinge, haue bene for though otherwise p er happs offendinge, offendinge , haue bene for
theire goodes slake sake caught vpp and carried streight theire goodes sake slake caught vpp and carried streight
to the bough bough, A thinge indeed pittifull pyttifull and verie to the bough, bough A thinge indeed pyttifull pittifull and verie
horrible horrible, Therefore by noe meanes would I wishe horrible, horrible Therefore by noe meanes would I wishe
the Sherif to haue such aucthoritie aucthoritie, nor yett to the Sherif to haue such aucthoritie, aucthoritie nor yett to
ymp ri son that oosell loosell till the Sessions , Sessions, for so all ~ -- ymp ri son that loosell oosell till the Sessions, Sessions , for so all -- ~
gaols might soone bee fylled , fylled, but to send him to the gaols might soone bee fylled, fylled , but to send him to the
m ar shall who eftsones fynding him faultie shall m ar shall who eftsones fynding him faultie shall
gyve him meete Correction and rydd him away gyve him meete Correction and rydd him away
forth w i th : forthwth: forthwth: forth w i th :
Eudox: Eudox I doe nowe p er ceaue yo u r yor reason well , well, but come wee Eudox Eudox: I doe nowe p er ceaue yor yo u r reason well, well , but come wee
now to that whereof wee earst spake I meane to now to that whereof wee earst spake I meane to
religion and religious men , men, what order will yow religion and religious men, men , what order will yow
sett amongst them :: them:: sett amongst them:: them ::
Iren ffor Iren: For religion little haue I to saye my self , self, Iren: For Iren ffor religion little haue I to saye my self, self ,
(beinge beinge beinge (beinge
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beinge (as I sayd thincke not professed therein , therein, for that w hi ch wch beinge (as I sayd thincke not professed therein, therein , for that wch w hi ch
is true and yt self beinge but one , one, so as there is true and yt self beinge but one, one , so as there
is but one waye therein , therein, for that w hi ch wch is true onelie is but one waye therein, therein , for that wch w hi ch is true onelie
is and the rest are not at all . all, yett in plantinge is and the rest are not at all, all . yett in plantinge
of religion thus much is needfull need full to bee obserued þ a y t of religion thus much is need full needfull to bee obserued y þ a t
beinge not sought forceablie to bee ympressed into them beinge not sought forceablie to bee ympressed into them
w i th wth terror and sharpe pennalties , pennalties, as now is the wth w i th terror and sharpe pennalties, pennalties , as now is the
manner , manner, but rather deliu er ed and intimated w i th wth manner, manner , but rather deliu er ed and intimated wth w i th
myldnes and gentlenes , gentlenes, so as yt maye not bee hated myldnes and gentlenes, gentlenes , so as yt maye not bee hated
before yt bee vnderstood and theire pr p r ofessions dispised before yt bee vnderstood and theire p r pr ofessions dispised
and reiected , reiected, for this I knowe that the most of and reiected, reiected , for this I knowe that the most of
the popishe religion as they the Irishe are so farr from vnderstanding of the p ro testantes the Irishe the popishe religion as they are so farr from vnderstanding of the p ro testantes
profession , and yett doe the popishe religion as they hate yt thouge vnkno are of the P ro testantes the popishe religion as profession , and yett doe they are of the P ro testantes hate yt thouge vnkno
wen , even for the verie hatred w hi ch profession, and yett doe they haue of hate yt thouge vnkno profession, and yett doe wen , even for the verie hatred w hi ch they hate yt thouge vnkno haue of
wen, even for the Englishe and theire gou er m en t , Therefore yt is verie hatred wch they haue of the verie hatred wch they haue of Englishe and theire gou er m en t , Therefore yt is
expediente the Englishe and theire gou ern m en t , that some discreet ministers of Therefore yt is the Englishe and expediente , Therefore yt is that some discreet ministers of theire gou ern m en t
owne Countrymen bee first sent amongst them w hi ch expediente, that some discreet ministers of theire expediente, that some discreet ministers of theire owne Countrymen bee first sent amongst them w hi ch
owne Countrymen bee first sent amongst them wch owne Countrymen bee first sent amongst them wch
by theire myld p er swasions and instruccons as also by theire myld p er swasions and instruccons as also
by theire sober lyf and Conversation maye drawe by theire sober lyf and Conversation maye drawe
them them, first to vnderstand and afterwardes to imbrace them, them first to vnderstand and afterwardes to imbrace
the Doctrine of theire salvacon . ffor salvac i on, For yf that the the Doctrine of theire salvac i on, For salvacon . ffor yf that the
ancyent godlie fathers were able to drawe them ancyent godlie fathers were able to drawe them
from infidelitie and pagansie . pagansie, how much more the from infidelitie and pagansie, pagansie . how much more the
godlie teachers bringe them to the true vnderstanding godlie teachers bringe them to the true vnderstanding
of that w hi ch wch they alreadye professe professe, where in yt is of that wch w hi ch they alreadye professe, professe where in yt is
great wonder to see the oddes , w hi ch oddes, wch is betwene the great wonder to see the oddes, wch oddes , w hi ch is betwene the
zeale of Popish preistes and ministers of the gospeil gospell zeale of Popish preistes and ministers of the gospell gospeil
for they spare not to come out of Spaine into from for they spare not to come out of Spaine into from
Rome from Reames by longe toyle and dangerous Rome from Reames by longe toyle and dangerous
travell hether , hether, where they knowe p er ill of travell hether, hether , where they knowe p er ill of
deathe awayteth them and noe rewarde nor deathe awayteth them and noe rewarde nor
Rytches Rytches
Folio 108r 108r; written "1007" 108r; written "1007" Folio 108r
107 Ritches, is to bee found onelye to drawe the people to Ritches, is to bee found onelye to drawe the people to 107
the people to church of Rome, where as our Idle ministers Ritches , is to bee found onelye to drawe the church of Rome, where as our Idle ministers people to
the church of Rome , where as our Idle ministers havinge a waye for Credyte and estymacon thereby havinge a waye for Credyte and estymacon thereby the church of Rome , where as our Idle ministers
opened vnto them, and estymacon thereby havinge awaye for Credyte the lyvinges of the havinge the lyvinges of the awaye for Credyte and estymacon thereby
expend vnto them , and havinge the lyvinges of the Countrie offred them, wthout paines wthout p er ill Countrie offred them, wthout paines wthout p er ill expend vnto them , and havinge the lyvinges of the
Countrie offred them , w i th out paines w i th p er ill will neither for the same, nor for any loue of god will neither for the same, nor for any loue of god Countrie offred them , w i th out paines w i th p er ill
will neither for nor zeale of god religion, nor or all the same , nor for any loue good wch they nor zeale will neither for the good wch they same , nor for any loue of religion, nor or all god
nor zeale mighte doe, by wynninge of religion , nor for all the good w hi ch they so manye soules to god mighte doe, by wynninge nor zeale of so manye soules to god religion , nor for all the good w hi ch they
mighte doe , by wynninge of so manye soules to god be drawen forthe from theire warme nestes, and be drawen forthe from theire warme nestes, and mighte doe , by wynninge of so manye soules to god
I drawen forthe from theire warme nestes , and I drawen forthe from theire warme nestes , and
theire sweete loues syde to looke out into godes harvest theire sweete loues syde to looke out into godes harvest
w hi ch wch is even readye for the sickle , sickle, and all the feyldes wch w hi ch is even readye for the sickle, sickle , and all the feyldes
yallowe longe agoe doubtlesse agoe, Doubtlesse these good ould yallowe longe agoe, Doubtlesse agoe doubtlesse these good ould
godlie fathers will I feare mee ryse vpp in the godlie fathers will I feare mee ryse vpp in the
daye of Judgm Iudgm en t to condempe them : them: daye of Iudgm Judgm en t to condempe them: them :
Eudox: Surelie yt is greate great pittie Irenius , Irenius, that there are Eudox: Surelie yt is great greate pittie Irenius, Irenius , that there are
none chosen out of the ministers of England good and sober none chosen out of the ministers of England good and sober
discrete men w hi ch wch might bee sent over thither to discrete men wch w hi ch might bee sent over thither to
teach and instructe them them, and that theire is not as much teach and instructe them, them and that theire is not as much
care had of theire soules as of theire bodies , bodies, for the Care care had of theire soules as of theire bodies, bodies , for the Care
of both lyeth vpon the Prince : : Prince:: of both lyeth vpon the Prince:: Prince : :
Iren: Were there never so manye sent ou er they should doe Iren: Were there never so manye sent ou er they should doe
small good till one ennormitie bee taken awaye , a waye, from small good till one ennormitie bee taken a waye, awaye , from
them that is , is, that both they be restrayned from sendinge theire them that is, is , that both they be restrayned from sendinge theire
yonge men abroad to other vniu er sities beyond seas as yonge men abroad to other vniu er sities beyond seas as
Reymes Reymes, Douay , Lovayne and the lyke lyke, and that others Reymes, Reymes Douay Lovayne and the lyke, lyke , and that others
from abroad be restrayned from Cominge to them from abroad be restrayned from Cominge to them
for they larkinge lurkinge secretlie in theire howses and for they lurkinge larkinge secretlie in theire howses and
in Corners of the Countrie doe more hurte and in Corners of the Countrie doe more hurte and
hinderance to religion w i th wth theire p ri vate p er swasions hinderance to religion wth w i th theire p ri vate p er swasions
then all the others can doe good w i th , wth theire publicke then all the others can doe good wth w i th , theire publicke
infraccon , instruccon, And though for these later theire bee a good agood instruccon, infraccon , And though for these later theire bee agood a good
statute statute
Folio 108v Folio 108v
statute there ordayned , ordayned, yet the same is not executed and statute there ordayned, ordayned , yet the same is not executed and
as for the former , former, there is noe lawe nor order for theire as for the former, former , there is noe lawe nor order for theire
restrainte at all :: all:: restrainte at all:: all ::
Eudox Eudox: I marvaile that yt is noe better looked vnto , vnto, And Eudox: Eudox I marvaile that yt is noe better looked vnto, vnto , And
not onelye this , this, but also that w hi ch wch I remember yow menco not onelye this, this , but also that wch w hi ch I remember yow menco
ned in yow yor abuses concerninge the p ro fyttes and revenewes ned in yor yow abuses concerninge the p ro fyttes and revenewes
of the landes of fugytiues in Ireland . w hi ch Ireland, wch by p re tence of the landes of fugytiues in Ireland, wch Ireland . w hi ch by p re tence
of Certaine coullorable conveyances , conveyances, are sente contyne of Certaine coullorable conveyances, conveyances , are sente contyne
wallie ou er vnto them to the comfortinge of them and others wallie ou er vnto them to the comfortinge of them and others
against her ma jes tie , for w hi ch wch here in England there is against her ma jes tie , for wch w hi ch here in England there is
good order taken , taken, and why not then as well aswell in Ireland Ireland, good order taken, taken , and why not then aswell as well in Ireland, Ireland
for though theire be noe statute there yet enacted therefore therfore, for though theire be noe statute there yet enacted therfore, therefore
yett might her ma jes ties tie s by her onelye p re rogative rogatiue seize yett might her ma jes tie s ties by her onelye p re rogatiue rogative seize
the fruites and p ro fitte fittes of those fugitiues landes till they the fruites and p ro fittes fitte of those fugitiues landes till they
into her handes till they came over to testifye testifie there into her handes till they came over to testifie testifye there
trewe alleigeance trewe alleigeance
Iren: Indeed she might so doe , doe, but the Combrous tymes Iren: Indeed she might so doe, doe , but the Combrous tymes
doe p er happs hinder the regard thereof and of many doe p er happs hinder the regard thereof and of many
other good intencons : intencons: other good intencons: intencons :
Eudox: But whie did they not mynde yt in peacable tymes Eudox: But whie did they not mynde yt in peacable tymes
Iren: I leaue wee that to theire graue Consideracons Consideracons, Iren: I leaue wee that to theire graue Consideracons, Consideracons
but p ro ceed wee forward , forward, next Care in religion is to build but p ro ceed wee forward, forward , next Care in religion is to build
vpp and repaire all the Ruine Churches thereof the whereof the vpp and repaire all the Ruine Churches whereof the thereof the
most p ar te lye even w i th wth the ground , ground, and some haue to me bene most p ar te lye even wth w i th the ground, ground , and some haue bene to me
latelie repayred lye care are so patched and thatched latelie repayred lye are care so patched and thatched
that men doe even shune the places for the vnhandsomnes vnhansomnes that men doe even shune the places for the vnhansomnes vnhandsomnes
vncomelines thereof , thereof, Therefore I would wishe that ther there vncomelines thereof, thereof , Therefore I would wishe that there ther
were order taken to haue them builte in some better were order taken to haue them builte in some better
forme accordinge to the Churches of England , England, for forme accordinge to the Churches of England, England , for
the owt ward showe , owtward showe, assure yow yor self doe greatlie the owtward showe, owt ward showe , assure yor yow self doe greatlie
drawe the rude people to the reu er encinge and fre drawe the rude people to the reu er encinge and fre
quenting thereof , thereof, And what eu er some of our too toe nyce quenting thereof, thereof , And what eu er some of our toe too nyce
fooles saye , saye, there is nothinge in the semelie forme fooles saye, saye , there is nothinge in the semelie forme
and comelie and comelie
Folio 109r 109r; written "1008" 109r; written "1008" Folio 109r
1098 and comelie order of the churche, And for so kepinge and and comelie order of the churche, And for so kepinge and 1098
and comelie order of the contynewinge them theyre should like wise church , And for so kepinge and wardens contynewinge them theyre should like wise and comelie order of the church wardens , And for so kepinge and
contynewinge them theyre should like wise church warderns contynewinge them theyre should like wise church warderns
of the greatest men in the p ar ishe bee appointed as there of the greatest men in the p ar ishe bee appointed as there
bee here in England , w hi ch England, wch should take the yearelie bee here in England, wch England , w hi ch should take the yearelie
Chatge Cha OB ge charge both hereof and also of the schole howses Cha OB ge Chatge charge both hereof and also of the schole howses
w hi ch wch I wished to be builded nere to the said Churches wch w hi ch I wished to be builded nere to the said Churches
for maintenance of both w hi ch wch yt were meete that for maintenance of both wch w hi ch yt were meete that
some seu er all porcon of land were to be allotted seinge some seu er all porcon of land were to be allotted seinge
noe more mortmaines are to bee looked for :: for:: noe more mortmaines are to bee looked for:: for ::
Eudox Eudox: Indeed mee semes yt would bee so convenient Eudox: Eudox Indeed mee semes yt would bee so convenient
But when all is done how will yow haue his churches But when all is done how will yow haue his churches
serued or yo u r yor ministers maintayned maintaynned accordinge to the serued or yor yo u r ministers maintaynned maintayned accordinge to the
dignitie of theire degree degree: dignitie of theire degree: degree
Iren: There is noe waye to helpe that but to laye to Iren: There is noe waye to helpe that but to laye to
2 or 3: of them togeather vntill such tyme as the 2 or 3: of them togeather vntill such tyme as the
countrie gerewe grewe more ritch and better inhabited in habited At countrie grewe gerewe more ritch and better in habited inhabited At
w hi ch wch tymes the tythes and other obvencons will also bee wch w hi ch tymes the tythes and other obvencons will also bee
more augmented and more better valewed , valewed, But now more augmented and more better valewed, valewed , But now
that we haue thus gone through all that theire sortes that we haue thus gone through all that theire sortes
of trades and sett a course acourse for theire god establishm en t , ; of trades and sett acourse a course for theire god establishm en t ; ,
lett vs yf yow please goe t l next to some other needfull - lett vs yf yow please goe l t next to some other needfull -
pointes of other publicke matters , matters, noe lesse concerninge pointes of other publicke matters, matters , noe lesse concerninge
the good of the Comon wealth , wealth, though but accidentallie accydentallie the good of the Comon wealth, wealth , though but accydentallie accidentallie
dependinge on the form er , And first I wishe that dependinge on the form er , And first I wishe that
order were taken for the cuttinge downe and opening order were taken for the cuttinge downe and opening
of all paces through woodes , woodes, so that a wyde way of all paces through woodes, woodes , so that a wyde way
of the space of C yerdes might bee layd open in eu er ie of the space of C yerdes might bee layd open in eu er ie
of them for the saiftye of travellers , w hi ch travellers, wch vse of them for the saiftye of travellers, wch travellers , w hi ch vse
often in such p er illous places to bee robbed , and sometimes often in such p er illous places to bee robbed , and sometimes
murthered , murthered, Next that Bridges were builte vpon murthered, murthered , Next that Bridges were builte vpon
all all
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all Ryvers , all Ryvers, and all the foordes marred and spylte , spylte, so as all Ryvers, all Ryvers , and all the foordes marred and spylte, spylte , so as
none might passe any other waies then throug but But by none might passe any other waies then throug But but by
those bridges , bridges, and eu er ie bridge to haue agate, and a gate , and at those bridges, bridges , and eu er ie bridge to haue agate, and a gate , and at
small gate howse gatehowse sett thereon , thereon, whereof this good will small gatehowse gate howse sett thereon, thereon , whereof this good will
come that noe might stealthes , w hi ch night stealthes, wch are comonlie dryven come that noe night stealthes, wch might stealthes , w hi ch are comonlie dryven
in by wayes and by blynde fordes vnvused vnvsed of any , any, but such in by wayes and by blynde fordes vnvsed vnvused of any, any , but such
lyke must be conveyed out of one Countrie into another lyke must be conveyed out of one Countrie into another
as they vse , vse, but that they must passe by those bridges as they vse, vse , but that they must passe by those bridges
where they maye bee eyther happelie encountred or where they maye bee eyther happelie encountred or
easelye tracked or not suffred to passe at all by meanes easelye tracked or not suffred to passe at all by meanes
of those gate howses thereon Also that in all sleightes of those gate howses thereon Also that in all sleightes
and narrowe passages as betwene twoe bogges or and narrowe passages as betwene twoe bogges or
through any deepe fforde Foorde or vnder any mountaine through any deepe Foorde fforde or vnder any mountaine
syde , syde, there should bee some lyttle fortilage or ~~ -- syde, syde , there should bee some lyttle fortilage or -- ~~
wooden Castle Castle, sett w hi ch wch should kepe and Comaund Com m aund wooden Castle, Castle sett wch w hi ch should kepe and Com m aund Comaund
that streight , that streight, whereby any Rebells that should com come that streight, that streight , whereby any Rebells that should come com
in the Countrie might mighte bee stopped , the waye stopped, the waye, or in the Countrie mighte might bee stopped, the waye, stopped , the waye or
passe w i th wth greate p er ill : ill: More over that all high passe wth w i th greate p er ill: ill : More over that all high
wayes should bee fenced and shutt vppon both sydes wayes should bee fenced and shutt vppon both sydes
leavinge onelye fortie foote bredthe for passage passage, so leavinge onelye fortie foote bredthe for passage, passage so
as none should bee able to passe but throuth through the as none should bee able to passe but through throuth the
high waye , waye, whereby theeves and night robbers high waye, waye , whereby theeves and night robbers
might bee the more easelie pursued , pursued, and encountred might bee the more easelie pursued, pursued , and encountred
when there shalbe noe other waye to dryve theire when there shalbe noe other waye to dryve theire
stollen Cattell Cattell, but therein as I form er lie declared declared: stollen Cattell, Cattell but therein as I form er lie declared: declared
ffurther Further that theire should in sondrie conveniente Further ffurther that theire should in sondrie conveniente
places by the high wayes bee Townes appointed places by the high wayes bee Townes appointed
to bee little builte the w hi ch wch should bee free burrowes & to bee builte little the wch w hi ch should bee free burrowes &
Incorporate vnder Baliffes Baliffes, to bee by theire inha Incorporate vnder Baliffes, Baliffes to bee by theire inha
bytantes well and strongelie entrenched or other bytantes well and strongelie entrenched or other
wise fenced w i th wth gates at each syde thereof to wise fenced wth w i th gates at each syde thereof to
be shutt sh u tt be sh u tt shutt
Folio 110r 110r; written "1009" 110r; written "1009" Folio 110r
209 209
bee shutt nightlie lyke as there is in manie bee shutt nightlie lyke as there is in manie
places in the Englishe pale , pale, and all the wayes places in the Englishe pale, pale , and all the wayes
about yt to bee strongelie shutt vpp , vpp, so that none about yt to bee strongelie shutt vpp, vpp , so that none
should passe but through those Townes , Townes, To some should passe but through those Townes, Townes , To some
of w hi ch of wch yt were good that the p ri vilidge of a of wch of w hi ch yt were good that the p ri vilidge of a
markette were gyven gyven, the rather to strengthen markette were gyven, gyven the rather to strengthen
and enable them , them, to theire defence , ffor defence, For nothinge and enable them, them , to theire defence, For defence , ffor nothinge
doth sooner cause Civillitie in any Countrie , Countrie, then doth sooner cause Civillitie in any Countrie, Countrie , then
many m ar kett townes by reason that people reparinge many m ar kett townes by reason that people reparinge
often thither for teire theire needes will dalie see and often thither for theire teire needes will dalie see and
learne Civill mann er s of the better sorte , sorte, Besides learne Civill mann er s of the better sorte, sorte , Besides
theire is nothinge doth more staye and strengthen theire is nothinge doth more staye and strengthen
the Countrie , Countrie, then such Corporate Townes as by the Countrie, Countrie , then such Corporate Townes as by
proof in manye Rebellions hath bene proued ~ proof in manye Rebellions hath bene proued ~
In all w hi ch wch when the Countries haue swarved In all wch w hi ch when the Countries haue swarved
the Townes haue stood stiffe and fast fast, and yeilded the Townes haue stood stiffe and fast, fast and yeilded
good releif to the soldyers soldyors in all occasions of good releif to the soldyors soldyers in all occasions of
service , service, And lastlie there doth nothing more service, service , And lastlie there doth nothing more
enriche the Countrie or Realme then manye townes , townes, enriche the Countrie or Realme then manye townes, townes ,
for to them will all people drawe and bringe the fruite for to them will all people drawe and bringe the fruite
of theire trades , as well trades, aswell to make mony of them as of theire trades, aswell trades , as well to make mony of them as
to supplye theire needfull vses , vses, and the Countrimen to supplye theire needfull vses, vses , and the Countrimen
will also bee the more industryous in tillage , tillage, and will also bee the more industryous in tillage, tillage , and
rearinge all husbandrie Comodities Comodities, knowinge they rearinge all husbandrie Comodities, Comodities knowinge they
shall haue readye sale saile for them at those townes shall haue readye saile sale for them at those townes
And in all those Townes should theire Convenient And in all those Townes should theire Convenient
Inns be erected , erected, for the lodginge and harboringe of Inns be erected, erected , for the lodginge and harboringe of
all travellers , travellers, whoe are nowe oftentymes ~ - all travellers, travellers , whoe are nowe oftentymes - ~
spoyled by lodging abroad in weake thatch howses spoyled by lodging abroad in weake thatch howses
for want of such saif places to shrowde them selues for want of such saif places to shrowde them selues
in : in: Eudox: But what profitte profytte shall yo u r yor m ar ket in: in : Eudox: But what profytte profitte shall yor yo u r m ar ket
Townes reape of theire m ar ket , ket, whereas Townes reape of theire m ar ket, ket , whereas
each one each one
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eache one may sell theire Corne and Cattell abroad eache one may sell theire Corne and Cattell abroad
in the Countrie and make theire secrete bargaines in the Countrie and make theire secrete bargaines
amongst them selues as now I vnderstand they vse amongst them selues as now I vnderstand they vse
Iren: Indeed Eudox: Eudox : They doe so and thereby noe Iren: Indeed Eudox : Eudox: They doe so and thereby noe
small inconvenience inconvenience doth aryse to the small inconvenience inconvenience doth aryse to the
Comon wealthe , Wealthe, for now when any one hath stellen stollen a Comon Wealthe, wealthe , for now when any one hath stollen stellen a
Cowe or a garron agarron he maye secretlie sell yt in the Cowe or agarron a garron he maye secretlie sell yt in the
Countrie w i th out wthout p ri vitie of any where as whereas yf the he Countrie wthout w i th out p ri vitie of any whereas where as yf the he
brought yt into the m ar ket towne yt would p er happs brought yt into the m ar ket towne yt would p er happs
bee knowen , knowen, and the theif discou er ed , ed, Therefore yt bee knowen, knowen , and the theif discou er ed, ed , Therefore yt
were good that the a straight ordynance were made were good that the a straight ordynance were made
that none should buy or sell any Cattell but in some that none should buy or sell any Cattell but in some
open m ar kett , kett, (there beinge nowe m ar kett ket townes eu er ie open m ar kett, kett , (there beinge nowe m ar ket kett townes eu er ie
where at hand ) hand) vpon a great agreat pennaltie neither where at hand) hand ) vpon agreat a great pennaltie neither
should they likewise buy any Corne to sell the same should they likewise buy any Corne to sell the same
againe , againe, vnlesse yt were to make malte thereof thereof, againe, againe , vnlesse yt were to make malte thereof, thereof
for by such engrissing engrossing and regratinge wee see the for by such engrossing engrissing and regratinge wee see the
darthe that now C.. Com onlye raigneth herein ~ here in - darthe that now Com C.. onlye raigneth here in - herein ~
England to haue bene caused here vnto , vnto, Also is to England to haue bene caused here vnto, vnto , Also is to
be added that good ordynance w hi ch wch I remember was be added that good ordynance wch w hi ch I remember was
once p ro clameth throughout all Ireland , Ireland, that all once p ro clameth throughout all Ireland, Ireland , that all
men should marke theire Cattell w i th wth an open seu er all men should marke theire Cattell wth w i th an open seu er all
marke vpon theire flanckes or buttockes , buttockes, so as yf marke vpon theire flanckes or buttockes, buttockes , so as yf
they happened to bee stollen they might appere they happened to bee stollen they might appere
whose they were , were, and they w hi ch wch should buy the m whose they were, were , and they wch w hi ch should buy the m
mighte thereby suspecte the owner and bee waned warned mighte thereby suspecte the owner and bee warned waned
to abstaine from buyinge of them of a suspecte suspected p er son to abstaine from buyinge of them of a suspected suspecte p er son
w i th wth such an vnknowen m ar ke wth w i th such an vnknowen m ar ke
Eudox: Surelie these evidences seme verie expedient , expedient, but Eudox: Surelie these evidences seme verie expedient, expedient , but
speciallie that that, of free townes of w hi ch townes, of wch I would þ a wounder y t th e r e y here speciallie that, that of free townes, of wch townes of w hi ch I wounder y would þ a t y here th e r e
is such small store in Ireland and that in the first peopling is such small store in Ireland and that in the first peopling
and planting thereof they were neglected & omitted and planting thereof they were neglected & omitted
Iren: They Iren: They
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.100 Iren: They were not omitted, for theire were through Iren: They were not omitted, for theire were through .100
Iren They were not omitted for theire were through all places of the Countrie convenient, manye good all places of the Countrie convenient, manye good Iren They were not omitted for theire were through
all places townes seated wch through that Invndacon of the Countrie convenient manye good townes seated wch through that Invndacon all places of the Countrie convenient manye good
townes seated w hi ch through that Invndacon Irishe wch I first tould of the were vtterly wasted and Irishe wch I first tould townes seated w hi ch through that Invndacon of were vtterly wasted and the
Irishe w hi ch I first tould defaced of were vtterly wasted and wch the Ruins are yett in manye places defaced Irishe w hi ch I first tould of wch the Ruins are yett in manye places were vtterly wasted and
defaced of w hi ch the Ruins are yett in manye places defaced of w hi ch the Ruins are yett in manye places
to bee seene and of some noe signe at all remayninge to bee seene and of some noe signe at all remayninge
save onelye there bare names , names, but theire seates are save onelye there bare names, names , but theire seates are
not to bee found : found:: not to bee found:: found :
Eudox: But how then cometh yt to passe that they haue Eudox: But how then cometh yt to passe that they haue
neu er since recou er ed , ed, nor theire habytacon habytac i on bene reedyfied neu er since recou er ed, ed , nor theire habytac i on habytacon bene reedyfied
as of the rest w hi ch rest, wch haue bene noe lesse spoyled and as of the rest, wch rest w hi ch haue bene noe lesse spoyled and
waisted . waisted: waisted: waisted .
Iren Iren: The cause thereof was for that after theire Iren: Iren The cause thereof was for that after theire
desolacion they were begged beggd by gent lemen of the Kinges kinges desolacion they were beggd begged by gent lemen of the kinges Kinges
vnder coullors collours to repaire them and gather the power vnder collours coullors to repaire them and gather the power
Relikes of the people againe to geather , togeather, of whom Relikes of the people againe togeather, to geather , of whom
havinge obtayned them they were so farr from reedyfying havinge obtayned them they were so farr from reedyfying
of them as that by all meanes they haue endeavored of them as that by all meanes they haue endeavored
to kepe them waste , waste, least that beinge repaired to kepe them waste, waste , least that beinge repaired
theire Charters maye bee renewed and then bargess burgess e s ~ theire Charters maye bee renewed and then burgess bargess e s ~
restored to theire landes w hi ch wch they had now in theire restored to theire landes wch w hi ch they had now in theire
possession , possession, much like as in those old moates monutes monum en tes possession, possession , much like as in those old monutes moates monum en tes
of Abbeys and relegious howses wee see them of Abbeys and relegious howses wee see them
lykewise vse to doe ffor w hi ch doe: For wch cause yt is iudged lykewise vse to doe: For wch doe ffor w hi ch cause yt is iudged
that K Henrie the viii viij bestowed them vpon them that K Henrie the viij viii bestowed them vpon them
knowing that thereby there by they should to b neu er bee able knowing that there by thereby they should b to neu er bee able
to ryse againe , againe, And even so doe those Lordes in those to ryse againe, againe , And even so doe those Lordes in those
old poore corporate towes townes of w hi ch wch I would could name old poore corporate townes towes of wch w hi ch I could would name
yow dyverse , dyverse, but for kyndlinge of displeasure : displeasure: ther yow dyverse, dyverse , but for kyndlinge of displeasure: displeasure : ther
fore as I wished many Corporate townes to bee fore as I wished many Corporate townes to bee
erected , erected, so would I againe , againe, wishe them to bee free erected, erected , so would I againe, againe , wishe them to bee free
not dependinge vpon the service , service, nor vnder the not dependinge vpon the service, service , nor vnder the
Comandm Comaundm en t of any but the Gou er nor , nor, And beinge so Comaundm Comandm en t of any but the Gou er nor, nor , And beinge so
they they
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they will both strengthen all the Countrie round about they will both strengthen all the Countrie round about
them , w hi ch them, wch by theire meanes wilbe wilbee the better reple them, wch them , w hi ch by theire meanes wilbee wilbe the better reple
nished and enriched , enriched, and also bee as contynewall holders nished and enriched, enriched , and also bee as contynewall holders
for her ma jes tie , yf the people should revoke and breake for her ma jes tie , yf the people should revoke and breake
out againe , out againe, for w i th out wthout it is easye to forrey and and ou er come - out againe, out againe , for wthout w i th out it is easye to forrey and and ou er come -
the whole lande , lande, Lett bee for example all those free the whole lande, lande , Lett bee for example all those free
burroughes in the lowe Countries , w hi ch Countries, wch are now all the burroughes in the lowe Countries, wch Countries , w hi ch are now all the
strengthe thereof , there of, These and other like ordynances , ordynances, strengthe there of, thereof , These and other like ordynances, ordynances ,
might bee deliu er ed for the good establishm en t of that might bee deliu er ed for the good establishm en t of that
realme , realme, after it is once subdued and reformed in w hi ch wch yt realme, realme , after it is once subdued and reformed in wch w hi ch yt
might bee aftewardes afterwardes verie easelie kept and maintayned might bee afterwardes aftewardes verie easelie kept and maintayned
w i th wth small Care of the gou er nor & concell there appointed appointed, wth w i th small Care of the gou er nor & concell there appointed, appointed
so as that yt should in shorte space yeild a plentifull so as that yt should in shorte space yeild a plentifull
revenewe revenewe, to the crowne of England , w hi ch England, wch now revenewe, revenewe to the crowne of England, wch England , w hi ch now
doth but sucke and consume the Threasurye there of doth but sucke and consume the Threasurye there of
through those vnsound plottes and changefull orders through those vnsound plottes and changefull orders
w hi ch wch are dalye deuised for her good , yet good, yett neu er effec wch w hi ch are dalye deuised for her good, yett good , yet neu er effec
tuallye p ro secuted or p er formed formed: tuallye p ro secuted or p er formed: formed
Eudox: But in all this yo u r discourse , yor discourse, I haue not m ar ked Eudox: But in all this yor discourse, yo u r discourse , I haue not m ar ked
any thinge by yow spoken spoken, towchinge the appointm en t of any thinge by yow spoken, spoken towchinge the appointm en t of
the principall offycer to whom ye wishe the the principall offycer to whom ye wishe the
Charge and p er formance of all this to be Comitted onely Comitted, onely, Charge and p er formance of all this to be Comitted, onely, Comitted onely
I obserued some fowle abuses by yow noted in some of the I obserued some fowle abuses by yow noted in some of the
late gou er nors , nors, the reformacon whereof yow lefte late gou er nors, nors , the reformacon whereof yow lefte
for this p re sente tyme :: tyme:: for this p re sente tyme:: tyme ::
Iren: I delight not to laye open the blames of Iren: I delight not to laye open the blames of
so greate great maiestrates to the rebuke of the world , world, so great greate maiestrates to the rebuke of the world, world ,
and therefore theire feformacon reformac i on I will not meddle and therefore theire reformac i on feformacon I will not meddle
w i th , wth, but leaue vnto the wisdome of greater wth, w i th , but leaue vnto the wisdome of greater
heades to beconsidered , be considered, onelye thus this much I will ~ - heades to be considered, beconsidered , onelye this thus much I will - ~
speake gen er allie hereof to satisfye yo u r yor desyre speake gen er allie hereof to satisfye yor yo u r desyre
that the gou er ern m en t and cheif maiestracie I wishe to that the gou ern er m en t and cheif maiestracie I wishe to
Contynewe as yt doth to weete , weete, that yt be ruled Contynewe as yt doth to weete, weete , that yt be ruled
by a lord by a lord
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1004 by a Lord deputie or Iustyces, for that is averie by a Lord deputie or Iustyces, for that is averie 1004
by a Lord deputie or Iustyces , for that is a verie saif kynde of rule, But therwth all I wishe I saif kynde of rule, But therwth all I wishe I by a Lord deputie or Iustyces , for that is a verie
saif kynde of rule , But there w i th all I wishe saif kynde of rule , But there w i th all I wishe
wishe that over him theire were placed A Lord wishe that over him theire were placed A Lord
Lyvetennant of some of the greatest p er sonages of Lyvetennant of some of the greatest p er sonages of
England (such an one I could name , name, vpon whom the England (such an one I could name, name , vpon whom the
key of all England is fixed and our last hopes key of all England is fixed and our last hopes
now rest , rest, who beinge intytuled w i th wth that dignitie now rest, rest , who beinge intytuled wth w i th that dignitie
and beinge alwayes here residente , residente, may backe and and beinge alwayes here residente, residente , may backe and
defende the good cause of the gou er ment , ern ment, against defende the good cause of the gou ern ment, er ment , against
all malignors , w hi ch malignors, wch ells will through theire Conning all malignors, wch malignors , w hi ch ells will through theire Conning
conninge workinge vnder hand hand, depraue and pull backe conninge workinge vnder hand, hand depraue and pull backe
whatsoever thinges shalbe well begun begunn or intended whatsoever thinges shalbe well begunn begun or intended
there as wee Comonlie see by experience at this there as wee Comonlie see by experience at this
daye to the vtter ruine and desolacon of the poore daye to the vtter ruine and desolacon of the poore
Realem Realme, And this livetennancye livetennnancye should bee noe ~~ -- Realme, Realem And this livetennnancye livetennancye should bee noe -- ~~
discountenanceing of the Lord deputie , Deputie, but rather discountenanceing of the Lord Deputie, deputie , but rather
a strengtheninge and maintayning of all his doinges a strengtheninge and maintayning of all his doinges
doinges , for doinges, For nowe the Cheif evill evil in that go er gou ern m en t is doinges, For doinges , for nowe the Cheif evil evill in that gou ern go er m en t is
that noe gou er nor is suffred to goe on w i th wth any one course that noe gou er nor is suffred to goe on wth w i th any one course
but vpon the least informacon informac i on here of this or that but vpon the least informac i on informacon here of this or that
he is eyther stopped or Crossed , Crossed, and other courses ~ - he is eyther stopped or Crossed, Crossed , and other courses - ~
appointed him from hence w hi ch hence, wch he shall ruin , runn, appointed him from hence, wch hence w hi ch he shall runn, ruin ,
w hi ch wch how convenient yt is , at is, as this howre is to well wch w hi ch how convenient yt is, as is , at this howre is to well
fele felte, And there fore this should bee our principallle one princip le all felte, fele And there fore this should bee one princip le all our principallle
in the appointm en t of the Lord deputies aucthoritie , Deputies aucthoritie, that in the appointm en t of the Lord Deputies aucthoritie, deputies aucthoritie , that
yt should bee more ample and absolute then yt is is: yt should bee more ample and absolute then yt is: is
And that he should haue an vncontrowled powre And that he should haue an vncontrowled powre
to doe any thinge that he w i th wth the aduisement of the to doe any thinge that he wth w i th the aduisement of the
counsell Counsell should thincke meete to bee done : ffor done: For yt is Counsell counsell should thincke meete to bee done: For done : ffor yt is
not possible for the Councell here to dyrecte a not possible for the Councell here to dyrecte a
gou er nor there , there, who shalbe forced often tymes oftentymes to gou er nor there, there , who shalbe forced oftentymes often tymes to
followe the necessitie of p re sente occasions and to followe the necessitie of p re sente occasions and to
take take
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take the suddaine advantage of tyme , w hi ch beinge tyme, wch being take the suddaine advantage of tyme, wch being tyme , w hi ch beinge
once lefte will not bee recou er ed w i th wth whilst through once lefte will not bee recou er ed wth w i th whilst through
expecting dyrections from hence , hence, the delaies whereof expecting dyrections from hence, hence , the delaies whereof
. OB are often tymes through greater affayers affayres most OB . are often tymes through greater affayres affayers most
yrkesome , yrkesome, the oportunities there in the meane tyme yrkesome, yrkesome , the oportunities there in the meane tyme
passe awaye and great danger often groweth , w hi ch groweth, wch by passe awaye and great danger often groweth, wch groweth , w hi ch by
such tymelie pr e p re vencon might easelie bee stopped , stopped, And such tymelie p re pr e vencon might easelie bee stopped, stopped , And
this I remember is worthelie res ref obserued by matcha this I remember is worthelie ref res obserued by matcha
vels vell in his discourses vpon Livie , Livie, where he comendeth comwndeth com OB deth vell vels in his discourses vpon Livie, Livie , where he comendeth com OB deth comwndeth
the manner of the Romaines gou er ern m en t , in gyvinge ab the manner of the Romaines gou ern er m en t , in gyvinge ab
solute power to all theire Consulls and governors , governors, solute power to all theire Consulls and governors, governors ,
w hi ch wch yf they abused they should afterwardes dearly wch w hi ch yf they abused they should afterwardes dearly
Annswere , Annswere, And the contrarie thereof he rep re hen Annswere, Annswere , And the contrarie thereof he rep re hen
deth in the state states of Venice of fflorence , Florence, and deth in the states state of Venice of Florence, fflorence , and
many manye other principallities of Italie , Italie, who manye many other principallities of Italie, Italie , who
vse to lymitte theire cheif offycers , offycers, so straightl ie straightlie vse to lymitte theire cheif offycers, offycers , so straightlie straightl ie
as that there by oftentymes they haue lost such as that there by oftentymes they haue lost such
happye occasions , occcasions, as they could neu er come vnto againe happye occcasions, occasions , as they could neu er come vnto againe
The lyke whereof who so hath bene conversant The lyke whereof who so hath bene conversant
in that gou er ern ment of Ireland hath too often seene in that gou ern er ment of Ireland hath too often seene
to theire greate hurte great hurte, Therefore this I could to theire great hurte, greate hurte Therefore this I could
wishe to be redressed , redressed, and yett not so , so, but that in wishe to be redressed, redressed , and yett not so, so , but that in
p ar ticuler thinges he should bee restrayned , restrayned, though p ar ticuler thinges he should bee restrayned, restrayned , though
not in the gen er all gou er ment , ern ment, as namelye in this not in the gen er all gou ern ment, er ment , as namelye in this
that noe offyces should bee sold by the Lo: deputie Deputie that noe offyces should bee sold by the Lo: Deputie deputie
nor noe nor no p ar dons nor p ro tections , tections, bought for rewarde , rewarde, nor no nor noe p ar dons nor p ro tections, tections , bought for rewarde, rewarde ,
nor noe beeves taken for Captenries of Countries nor noe beeves taken for Captenries of Countries
nor noe shares of Bishopprickes for nominating these there nor noe shares of Bishopprickes for nominating there these
Bushopps , Bushopps, nor noe forfeytures nor despensations w i th wth Bushopps, Bushopps , nor noe forfeytures nor despensations wth w i th
pennall statutes Statutes geven to theire serv an tes or freindes pennall Statutes statutes geven to theire serv an tes or freindes
nor noe nor noe
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Nor noe sellinge of lycenses for expectacon of p ro hibyted Nor noe sellinge of lycenses for expectacon of p ro hibyted
wares and specyallie of Corne and fleshe w i th wth many wares and specyallie of Corne and fleshe wth w i th many
the like w hi ch OB wch need some manner of restrainte or the like OB wch w hi ch need some manner of restrainte or
ells verie greate trust in the honorable disposition ells verie greate trust in the honorable disposition
of the Lord deputie , Deputie, Thus I haue Eudox: as of the Lord Deputie, deputie , Thus I haue Eudox: as
breifelie as I could and as my remembrance would breifelie as I could and as my remembrance would
serue serue, Run through the state of that whole Countrie serue, serue Run through the state of that whole Countrie
both to lett yow see what yt now is, and also what both to lett yow see what yt now is, and also what
may bee by good care and amendem en t , Not that I take may bee by good care and amendem en t , Not that I take
vpon me to Change the pollycie of so greate great a kingdome vpon me to Change the pollycie of so great greate a kingdome
or p ro re scribe rules to such wise men as haue the or p re ro scribe rules to such wise men as haue the
handling thereof , thereof, but onely to show yow the handling thereof, thereof , but onely to show yow the
evills w hi ch evills, wch in my small experience I haue obser evills, wch evills w hi ch in my small experience I haue obser
ued to bee the cheif hinderance of the reformaco reformac i o n ued to bee the cheif hinderance of the reformac i o reformaco n
thereof , thereof, And by way of Conference to declare thereof, thereof , And by way of Conference to declare
my simple symple opynion for redresse thereof , and ~ thereof, and- my symple simple opynion for redresse thereof, and- thereof , and ~
establishing good course , agood course, for that gou er ern m en t w hi ch wch I establishing agood course, good course , for that gou ern er m en t wch w hi ch I
doe not deliu er for a p er fect plott of mayne myne owne doe not deliu er for a p er fect plott of myne mayne owne
Invension to be onelye followed followed, but as I haue Invension to be onelye followed, followed but as I haue
learned and vnderstood the same , same, by the consulta learned and vnderstood the same, same , by the consulta
cons and actions of verie wise gouernors , governors, and Counsell cons and actions of verie wise governors, gouernors , and Counsell
ors whom I haue sometymes heard treate thereof ors whom I haue sometymes heard treate thereof
so haue I thought good to sett downe a remembrance so haue I thought good to sett downe a remembrance
of them for myne owne good and yow satisfaccon , yor satisfaccon, of them for myne owne good and yor satisfaccon, yow satisfaccon ,
that who list liste to overlooke them , them, although p er happs that who liste list to overlooke them, them , although p er happs
much wyser then they w hi ch wch haue thus aduised of that much wyser then they wch w hi ch haue thus aduised of that
estate , estate, yet at least by Comparrison , hereof , Comparrison, hereof, may estate, estate , yet at least by Comparrison, hereof, Comparrison , hereof , may
p er happs better his owne Iudgm en t , t, and by the p er happs better his owne Iudgm en t, t , and by the
light of others fore goinge him may followe after light of others fore goinge him may followe after
w i th wth more ease , ease, and happelye fynd a fayrer way wth w i th more ease, ease , and happelye fynd a fayrer way
there vnto , vnto, then they w hi ch wch haue gone before there vnto, vnto , then they wch w hi ch haue gone before
Eudox: Eudox:
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Eudox: I thanke yow Irenius for this yo u r gnetle yor gentle paines Eudox: I thanke yow Irenius for this yor gentle yo u r gnetle paines
w i th all wthall not forgettinge now in the shutting vpp wthall w i th all not forgettinge now in the shutting vpp
to putt yow in mynde of that w hi ch wch yow haue to putt yow in mynde of that wch w hi ch yow haue
form er lie half promissed hereafter , hereafter, when wee form er lie half promissed hereafter, hereafter , when wee
shall meete againe . OB vpon the like good occasion shall meete againe OB . vpon the like good occasion
ye will declare vnto vs these yo u r yor obseruacons w hi ch wch ye will declare vnto vs these yor yo u r obseruacons wch w hi ch
yee haue gathered of the Aucthorities of yee haue gathered of the Aucthorities of
Ireland Ireland
finis Finis 1596 E.S E.S: Finis finis 1596 E.S: E.S
In a third hand Mr Collinges I pray d eli uer this Mr Collinges I pray d eli uer this In a third hand
Mr Colling Ihsa order this Copie for mathew Lownes to be prynted Copie for mathew Lownes to be prynted Mr Colling Ihsa order this
Copie for mathew lownes to be prynted when he do bringe other attorytie when he do bringe other attorytie Copie for mathew lownes to be prynted
when he do bring other affrte Thomas man-- Thomas man-- when he do bring other affrte
Thomas Man - - Thomas Man - -
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