This page shows a comparison between two transcripts of manuscript Rawlinson B.478 at the Bodleian Library. The transcript on the left-hand side of the of page was prepared by Thomas Herron. The transcript on the right was prepared by Heather Blatt.
Folio 1r Jo: Panton 1596 | Folio 1r Jo: Panton 1596 |
Signature To. Þan uton(?) 1596 | Signature To. Þan uton(?) 1596 |
A vewe of the p re sente state of | A vewe of the p re sente state of |
Ireland discoursed by waye of | Ireland discoursed by waye of |
a dialogue betwe betw e ne * Eudoxus and | a dialogue betw e betwe ne * Eudoxus and |
Irenius .. . . 1596 by Ed: Spinser gint. Spenser gent. | Irenius . . .. 1596 by Ed: Spenser gent. Spinser gint. |
Eudox: Eudox : But if that countrye of Irelande whence yow | Eudox : Eudox: But if that countrye of Irelande whence yow |
latelye came be so goodlye and comodious asoyle a soyle as yee | latelye came be so goodlye and comodious a soyle asoyle as yee |
reporte, I wounder that noe course is taken for the turninge | reporte, I wounder that noe course is taken for the turninge |
thenceof thereof to good vses, and reducinge . that salvage nacon nac i on | thereof thenceof to good vses, and reducinge . that salvage nac i on nacon |
to better gou er ern m en t and cyvillitie: | to better gou ern er m en t and cyvillitie: |
Iren:: Marrye Iren :: Marye so thyre there haue bene dyverse good plottes devize d devized | Iren :: Marye Iren:: Marrye so there thyre haue bene dyverse good plottes devized devize d |
and wyse counsells cast alreadye about reformacon reformac i on of that | and wyse counsells cast alreadye about reformac i on reformacon of that |
realme , realme, but they saye it is the fatall destynie of that | realme, realme , but they saye it is the fatall destynie of that |
land, that noe purposes whatsoever are mente for her | land, that noe purposes whatsoever are mente for her |
good will prosper and take good effecte, w hi ch wch whether | good will prosper and take good effecte, wch w hi ch whether |
yt p ro ceed from the verie Genius of the soyle . soyle, or influenc | yt p ro ceed from the verie Genius of the soyle, soyle . or influenc |
of the starrs, or that almightie god hath not yett appointed | of the starrs, or that almightie god hath not yett appointed |
the tyme of her reformacon , reformac i on, or that he reserueth her | the tyme of her reformac i on, reformacon , or that he reserueth her |
in this vnquiet state still , still, for some secreete scourge ~ | in this vnquiet state still, still , for some secreete scourge ~ |
w hi ch wch shall by her come vnto England , it England, yt is harde to | wch w hi ch shall by her come vnto England, yt England , it is harde to |
bee knowen but yett much to be feared: | bee knowen but yett much to be feared: |
Eudox: Eudox : Surelye I suppose this but avayne a vayne conceipte of | Eudox : Eudox: Surelye I suppose this but a vayne avayne conceipte of |
symple men , w hi ch Judge thinge s men, wch Iudge thinges by theire effecte effectes and not | symple men, wch Iudge thinges men , w hi ch Judge thinge s by theire effectes effecte and not |
by theire causes : ffor causes: For I would rather thincke the cause of | by theire causes: For causes : ffor I would rather thincke the cause of |
this evill , w hi ch evill, wch hangeth vpon Countrye , that Countrye, to proceed | this evill, wch evill , w hi ch hangeth vpon that Countrye, Countrye , to proceed |
rather vpon the vnsoundnes and of the counsell s and plotte s counselles and plottes | rather vpon the vnsoundnes and of the counselles and plottes counsell s and plotte s |
w hi ch wch yow . saye haue bene oftentymes layde for her reformacon , reformac i on, | wch w hi ch yow . saye haue bene oftentymes layde for her reformac i on, reformacon , |
or of fayntenesse in followinge and effectinge the same , same, | or of fayntenesse in followinge and effectinge the same, same , |
then of any such fatall course or appointm en t of godd as yow | then of any such fatall course or appointm en t of godd as yow |
misdeme , misdeme, but it is the mann er of men that when the y they | misdeme, misdeme , but it is the mann er of men that when they the y |
are fallen into any mann er absurditye , absurditye, or theire accons acc i ons | are fallen into any mann er absurditye, absurditye , or theire acc i ons accons |
succeed not as the y would , they would, they are readye alwayes to | succeed not as they would, the y would , they are readye alwayes to |
impute the blame thereof vnto the heavens , heavens, so to | impute the blame thereof vnto the heavens, heavens , so to |
excuse theire owne follyes and ymperfeccons , ymperfeccons, So haue | excuse theire owne follyes and ymperfeccons, ymperfeccons , So haue |
I also | I also |
Folio 1v | Folio 1v |
I also hearde yt often wished ( even (even of some whose greate - - | I also hearde yt often wished (even ( even of some whose greate - - |
wisdome in opynion should seeme to Iudge more soundlye of | wisdome in opynion should seeme to Iudge more soundlye of |
so weightie a consideracon) that all that lande weare a | so weightie a consideracon) that all that lande weare a |
sea people poole w hi ch : wch kynde of speach is the mann er rather of | sea people poole : wch w hi ch kynde of speach is the mann er rather of |
desperate menn farr dryven to wishe the vtter runn ruyn of | desperate menn farr dryven to wishe the vtter ruyn runn of |
that w hi ch wch they cannot redresse , redresse, then of graue Counsellors | that wch w hi ch they cannot redresse, redresse , then of graue Counsellors |
w hi ch wch ought to thincke nothinge so harde but that thorough | wch w hi ch ought to thincke nothinge so harde but that thorough |
wisdome maye bee maistred and subdued , subdued, since the | wisdome maye bee maistred and subdued, subdued , since the |
Poet sayth that the wyseman shall rule ever even over the | Poet sayth that the wyseman shall rule even ever over the |
starrs, much more over the earth : ffor wer earth: For were yt not | starrs, much more over the earth: For were earth : ffor wer yt not |
the p ar te of a desp er ate phicion p hys hicion to wishe hi s his deseased | the p ar te of a desp er ate p hys hicion phicion to wishe his hi s deseased |
patiente dead rather then to applye the best endeavors | patiente dead rather then to applye the best endeavors |
of his skyll for his recou er ie , ie, but since wee are so farr | of his skyll for his recou er ie, ie , but since wee are so farr |
entred , entredd, lett vs I praye yow you devise of those evylls by | entredd, entred , lett vs I praye you yow devise of those evylls by |
w hi ch wch that countrye is helde in this wretched case , that case, that | wch w hi ch that countrye is helde in this wretched case, that case , that |
yt cannot as yow saye be recured. And yf yt bee not | yt cannot as yow saye be recured. And yf yt bee not |
pl paynefull to yow to tell vs what thing s thinges duringe | pl paynefull to yow to tell vs what thinges thing s duringe |
yo u r yor late contyntwance contynewance there, yow obserued , obserued, to bee most | yor yo u r late contynewance contyntwance there, yow obserued, obserued , to bee most |
offensiue , and ympeac full and ympeachfull vnto the good rule and | offensiue and ympeachfull , and ympeac full vnto the good rule and |
gou er ern m en t thereof : | gou ern er m en t thereof : |
Iren: Iren : Surelye Eudox Eudox: the evills w hi ch wch yow desyre to bee | Iren : Iren: Surelye Eudox: Eudox the evills wch w hi ch yow desyre to bee |
recounted are verie manye and almost countable w i th wth | recounted are verie manye and almost countable wth w i th |
those w hi ch wch were hydden in the baskette of Pandora . Pan dora : | those wch w hi ch were hydden in the baskette of Pan dora : Pandora . |
but since yow so please I will out of that infynite nomber | but since yow so please I will out of that infynite nomber |
reck . e ne reckne but some that are most capitall , capitall, and comonlye com m onlye | reckne reck . e ne but some that are most capitall, capitall , and com m onlye comonlye |
occurrence occurrente, both in the lyfe and condycons of pryvate | occurrente, occurrence both in the lyfe and condycons of pryvate |
menn , menn, and also in the menage of publique affayres | menn, menn , and also in the menage of publique affayres |
and pollycie , pollycie, The w hi ch wch yow shall vnderstand to bee of | and pollycie, pollycie , The wch w hi ch yow shall vnderstand to bee of |
dyverse natures, as I obserued them , ffor them, For some of them | dyverse natures, as I obserued them, For them , ffor some of them |
are of verye greate antiquitye and longe contineu continew | are of verye greate antiquitye and longe continew contineu |
ance . ance; others more late and of lesse endurance , endurance, | ance; ance . others more late and of lesse endurance, endurance , |
Others ^ dalie growinge and increasinge Contynewallye as | Others ^ dalie growinge and increasinge Contynewallye as |
the evill occasions are everye daye offreed : offreed: | the evill occasions are everye daye offreed: offreed : |
Eudox | Eudox |
Folio 2r | Folio 2r |
Eudox: Eudox : Tell them I praye yow in the same order that | Eudox : Eudox: Tell them I praye yow in the same order that |
yow haue now no w rehearsed them ,: ffor them,: For there cann bee noe better | yow haue no w now rehearsed them,: For them ,: ffor there cann bee noe better |
methode then this w hi ch wch the verye matter yt self offerth: offreth: | methode then this wch w hi ch the verye matter yt self offreth: offerth: |
And when yow you haue reckned all the evills , evills, lett vs heare | And when you yow haue reckned all the evills, evills , lett vs heare |
yo u r yor opynion for redressinge of them . them, After w hi ch wch there will | yor yo u r opynion for redressinge of them, them . After wch w hi ch there will |
p er happs of yt self appeare some reasonable waye to settle | p er happs of yt self appeare some reasonable waye to settle |
a sounde and p er fecte rule of gou er ern m ent en t by shvninge the form er | a sounde and p er fecte rule of gou ern er m en t ent by shvninge the form er |
evills and followinge the offred good, The w hi ch wch method | evills and followinge the offred good, The wch w hi ch method |
wee maye learne of the wise phisicions w hi ch wch first -- - | wee maye learne of the wise phisicions wch w hi ch first - -- |
require that the maladye bee knowen thorowlye and | require that the maladye bee knowen thorowlye and |
descou discou er ed . After wardes ed, Afterwardes doe teach how to cure and redresse | discou descou er ed, Afterwardes ed . After wardes doe teach how to cure and redresse |
yt : yt: And lastlie doe p re sribe scribe a dyet w hi ch wth streight rules and | yt: yt : And lastlie doe p re scribe sribe a dyet wth w hi ch streight rules and |
orders to bee dalye obserued ; obserued, for feare of relapse into | orders to bee dalye obserued, obserued ; for feare of relapse into |
the form er dysease or fallinge into some other more | the form er dysease or fallinge into some other more |
dangerous then yt :. yt:: | dangerous then yt:: yt :. |
Iren: Iren : I will then accordinge to yo ur yor aduisem en t begynne to declare | Iren : Iren: I will then accordinge to yor yo ur aduisem en t begynne to declare |
the evills w hi ch wch seeme to me most hurtefull to the Common Com m on | the evills wch w hi ch seeme to me most hurtefull to the Com m on Common |
weale of that lande . lande, And first those w hi ch wch I said were | weale of that lande, lande . And first those wch w hi ch I said were |
most antient and longe growen , growen, and they are also of | most antient and longe growen, growen , and they are also of |
three kynds: kyndes: The first in the lawes, the second in | three kyndes: kynds: The first in the lawes, the second in |
Customes, the last in relidgion : relidgion: | Customes, the last in relidgion: relidgion : |
Eudox: Eudox : Why Irenius can there bee any evill in the lawes . can lawes. can | Eudox : Eudox: Why Irenius can there bee any evill in the lawes. can lawes . can |
the thinges w hi ch wch are ordayned for the saiftye and good of all --- all: | the thinges wch w hi ch are ordayned for the saiftye and good of all: all --- |
turne to the evill and hurte of them : them: This well I wote | turne to the evill and hurte of them: them : This well I wote |
both in that state and in all others other: that were they not | both in that state and in all other: others that were they not |
contayned in dewtye w hi ch wth feare of lawe w hi ch wch restrayneth | contayned in dewtye wth w hi ch feare of lawe wch w hi ch restrayneth |
offences, and inflicteth sharpe punishm en t to misdoers , misdoers, Noe | offences, and inflicteth sharpe punishm en t to misdoers, misdoers , Noe |
man should enioye anye thinge eu er ie mans hande would | man should enioye anye thinge eu er ie mans hande would |
bee against another , another, Therefore in fyndinge faulte w i th wth | bee against another, another , Therefore in fyndinge faulte wth w i th |
the lawes I doubte me yow shall much owershoote yo u r overshoote yor | the lawes I doubte me yow shall much overshoote yor owershoote yo u r |
self , self, and make me the more dislyke yo u r yor other dislikes of | self, self , and make me the more dislyke yor yo u r other dislikes of |
that gou er ern m ent en t : | that gou ern er m en t ent : |
Irennius | Irennius |
Folio 2v | Folio 2v |
Irennius: Irennius : The lawes Eudox: Eudox : I doe not blame for them selues | Irennius : Irennius: The lawes Eudox : Eudox: I doe not blame for them selues |
knowinge that all lawes are ordayned for the good of the | knowinge that all lawes are ordayned for the good of the |
comon wealth , wealth, and for repressinge of lycensiousnesse | comon wealth, wealth , and for repressinge of lycensiousnesse |
and vyce : vyce: but it falleth out in lawes noe other wise , otherwise, - | and vyce: vyce : but it falleth out in lawes noe otherwise, - other wise , |
then yt doth in Phisicke , w hi ch Phisicke, wch was at first devized | then yt doth in Phisicke, wch Phisicke , w hi ch was at first devized |
and is yett dalye mente and ministred for the health of | and is yett dalye mente and ministred for the health of |
the patiente , paciente, but neu er theles wee often see that eyther | the paciente, patiente , but neu er theles wee often see that eyther |
thorowe ignorance of the diseaze , diseaze, or vnseasonablenes | thorowe ignorance of the diseaze, diseaze , or vnseasonablenes |
of the tyme , tyme, or other accydents cominge accydentes com m inge betwene in | of the tyme, tyme , or other accydentes com m inge accydents cominge betwene in |
steade of good yt h worketh hurte , hurte, and out of one | steade of good yt h worketh hurte, hurte , and out of one |
evill , evill, throweth the patient into many miseries : miseries: | evill, evill , throweth the patient into many miseries: miseries : |
So the lawes were at first intended for the reformaco reformac i o n | So the lawes were at first intended for the reformac i o reformaco n |
of abuses , of abuses, and peaceable contynuwance contynewance of the subiecte : subiectes: | of abuses, of abuses , and peaceable contynewance contynuwance of the subiectes: subiecte : |
but are sythence eyther disanulled or quite prevaricated | but are sythence eyther disanulled or quite prevaricated |
thorowe change and alterac i on of tymes tymes, yett are | thorowe change and alterac i on of tymes, tymes yett are |
they good still in them selues, but to that Comen- Com m on | they good still in them selues, but to that Com m on Comen- |
Wealth w hi ch wealth wch is ruled by them they worke not that | wealth wch Wealth w hi ch is ruled by them they worke not that |
good w hi ch wch they should should, and sometymes also p er happs | good wch w hi ch they should, should and sometymes also p er happs |
that eu e OB evill w hi ch wch they would not : :: | that e OB eu evill wch w hi ch they would not :: : |
Eudox: Eudox : Whether doe yow meane this by the Com m on lawes | Eudox : Eudox: Whether doe yow meane this by the Com m on lawes |
of the realme or by the statute lawes and acts of actes of | of the realme or by the statute lawes and actes of acts of |
p ar lamente : lamentes: | p ar lamentes: lamente : |
Iren : Surelye by them both : ffor both: For even the Com m on lawes | Iren : Surelye by them both: For both : ffor even the Com m on lawes |
beinge that w hi ch wch William of Normandie brought in | beinge that wch w hi ch William of Normandie brought in |
w i th wth his conquest and layde vpon the necke of England, | wth w i th his conquest and layde vpon the necke of England, |
though yt p er happs fytted well w i th wth the state of England | though yt p er happs fytted well wth w i th the state of England |
then beinge , beinge, and was readelye obayed thorowe the | then beinge, beinge , and was readelye obayed thorowe the |
power of the Com m aunder , w hi ch aunder, wch had before subdued | power of the Com m aunder, wch aunder , w hi ch had before subdued |
the people to him and made easye waye to the | the people to him and made easye waye to the |
settinge of his will : will: yett w i th wth the state of Ireland | settinge of his will: will : yett wth w i th the state of Ireland |
p er adventure yt doth not so well agree . agree. beinge a people | p er adventure yt doth not so well agree. agree . beinge a people |
altogeather stubborne and vntamed , vntamed, and yf it yt were | altogeather stubborne and vntamed, vntamed , and yf yt it were |
once tamed , tamed, yet now latelye haue quite shaken of | once tamed, tamed , yet now latelye haue quite shaken of |
theire | theire |
Folio 3r | Folio 3r |
3 theire yooke and broken the bandes of theire obedyence: | theire yooke and broken the bandes of theire obedyence: 3 |
theire yooke and broken the bandes For England before the entrance of theire obedyence. the Conquero r | For England before the entrance theire yooke and broken the bandes of the Conquero r theire obedyence. |
ffor England before the entrance of the Conquero r was an vnpeaceable kingdome, and but latelye entred | was an vnpeaceable kingdome, and but latelye entred ffor England before the entrance of the Conquero r |
was an vnpeaceable kingdome , to the mylde and but latelye entred godlie gou ern m en t of Kinge Edward surna | to the mylde was an vnpeaceable kingdome , and godlie gou ern m en t of Kinge Edward surna but latelye entred |
to med the mylde and godlie gou er m en t of Kinge Edward surna confessor, besides nowe latelye growen vnto | med to the confessor, besides nowe latelye growen vnto mylde and godlie gou er m en t of Kinge Edward surna |
med the confessor , besides nowe latelye growen vnto | med the confessor , besides nowe latelye growen vnto |
a loathinge and detestac i on of the vniust and tyrranous | a loathinge and detestac i on of the vniust and tyrranous |
rule of Harold an Vsurper , w hi ch Vsurper, wch made them the more | rule of Harold an Vsurper, wch Vsurper , w hi ch made them the more |
willing .. willinge OB to accepte of any reasonable Condycons and | willinge OB willing .. to accepte of any reasonable Condycons and |
or order of the newe Victor , Victor, thinckinge surelye yt | or order of the newe Victor, Victor , thinckinge surelye yt |
would bee noe worse then the latter , latter, and hopinge | would bee noe worse then the latter, latter , and hopinge |
well yt would bee as good as the form er , yet what | well yt would bee as good as the form er , yet what |
the proofe of the first bringinge in and establishing | the proofe of the first bringinge in and establishing |
of those Lawes ^was , lawes was was to manye full bytterlye made | of those lawes was Lawes ^was , was to manye full bytterlye made |
knowen : knowen: But w i th wth Ireland yt is farr otherwise : ffor otherwise: For | knowen: knowen : But wth w i th Ireland yt is farr otherwise: For otherwise : ffor |
yt is a nac i on , ever acquainted w i th wth such warrs though | yt is a nac i on , ever acquainted wth w i th such warrs though |
but amongst them selues , selues, and in theire owne kynde | but amongst them selues, selues , and in theire owne kynde |
of militarie discipline trayned vpp even from | of militarie discipline trayned vpp even from |
theire youthe w hi ch youthes wch they haue never yet bene taughte | theire youthes wch youthe w hi ch they haue never yet bene taughte |
to laye asyde , asyde, nor made to learne obedyence vnto | to laye asyde, asyde , nor made to learne obedyence vnto |
the lawe , the lawe, scarselye to knowe the name of lawe, | the lawe, the lawe , scarselye to knowe the name of lawe, |
but insteade thereof haue alwayes p re serued and -- - | but insteade thereof haue alwayes p re serued and - -- |
kepte theire owne lawe w hi ch wch is the Brehon lawe : lawe: | kepte theire owne lawe wch w hi ch is the Brehon lawe: lawe : |
Eudox: Eudox : What is that w hi ch wch yow call the Brehon lawe: | Eudox : Eudox: What is that wch w hi ch yow call the Brehon lawe: |
Iren : It is a c er taine rule of righte vnwritten , vnwritten, but is or | Iren : It is a c er taine rule of righte vnwritten, vnwritten , but or is |
deliu er ed by tradycon from one to another , another, in w hi ch wch | deliu er ed by tradycon from one to another, another , in wch w hi ch |
often tymes oftentymes there appeareth greate showe of equitie | oftentymes often tymes there appeareth greate showe of equitie |
in determininge the righte betwene p ar tie and p ar tie , tie, but | in determininge the righte betwene p ar tie and p ar tie, tie , but |
in manye thinge thinges repugninge quite from gode godes lawe | in manye thinges thinge repugninge quite from godes gode lawe |
and mans , mans, as for example , in example, In the case of murther : murther: | and mans, mans , as for example, In example , in the case of murther: murther : |
The Brehon that is theire Iudge will Compound compound | The Brehon that is theire Iudge will compound Compound |
betwene the murtherer and the frinde frindes of the p ar tie - | betwene the murtherer and the frindes frinde of the p ar tie - |
murthred , w hi ch murthred, wch p ro secute the accon , accon, That the malle | murthred, wch murthred , w hi ch p ro secute the accon, accon , That the malle |
factor shall giue vnto them , them, or to the Childe or | factor shall giue vnto them, them , or to the Childe or |
wyfe of him that is slayne a recompence w hi ch wch | wyfe of him that is slayne a recompence wch w hi ch |
they call an Iriach , by w hi ch wch vile lawe of theirs | they call an Iriach , by wch w hi ch vile lawe of theirs |
many | many |
Folio 3v | Folio 3v |
manye murders are amongst them made vpp and | manye murders are amongst them made vpp and |
smothered. And this Iudge , Iudge, beinge as he is called the | smothered. And this Iudge, Iudge , beinge as he is called the |
Lorde Brehon adiudgeth for the most p ar te a better abetter share | Lorde Brehon adiudgeth for the most p ar te abetter a better share |
vnto his Lord, that is thee Lord of the soyle or the heade | vnto his Lord, that is thee Lord of the soyle or the heade |
of that septe and also vnto him self f.r. f OB r OB for his Iudgm en t a | of that septe and also vnto him self f OB r OB f.r. for his Iudgm en t a |
greate porcon then vnto the plaintives or p ar ties greived : greived: | greate porcon then vnto the plaintives or p ar ties greived: greived : |
Eudox: Eudox : That is a most wicked lawe indeed but I trust yt | Eudox : Eudox: That is a most wicked lawe indeed but I trust yt |
is not nowe vsed in Ireland , Ireland, since the kings kinges of - | is not nowe vsed in Ireland, Ireland , since the kinges kings of - |
England have had the absolute dominion thereof and | England have had the absolute dominion thereof and |
established there owne lawes there Lawes there: | established there owne Lawes there: lawes there |
Iren: Iren : Yes trewlye for there are many wyde countries | Iren : Iren: Yes trewlye for there are many wyde countries |
in Ireland in w hi ch wch the lawes of England were neu er | in Ireland in wch w hi ch the lawes of England were neu er |
established, nor any acknowledgm en t of subiection made | established, nor any acknowledgm en t of subiection made |
and also even in those w hi ch wch are subdued , subdued, and seeme to | and also even in those wch w hi ch are subdued, subdued , and seeme to |
acknowledge subiection , subiection, yet the same Brehon lawe is | acknowledge subiection, subiection , yet the same Brehon lawe is |
previlye practized amongst them selues , selues, by reason þ a y t | previlye practized amongst them selues, selues , by reason y þ a t |
dwellinge as they doe : whole nacons and septs septes of | dwellinge as they doe : whole nacons and septes septs of |
the Irishe togeather , w i th out togeather, wthout any English man | the Irishe togeather, wthout togeather , w i th out any English man |
amongst them they maye doe what they liste , liste, and | amongst them they maye doe what they liste, liste , and |
compounde or altogeather conceale amongst them | compounde or altogeather conceale amongst them |
selues there owne crymes of w hi ch wch noe notice can | selues there owne crymes of wch w hi ch noe notice can |
bee had by them w hi ch wch would and might amende the | bee had by them wch w hi ch would and might amende the |
same , same, by the rule of the lawes of Englande . Lawes of Englande: | same, same , by the rule of the Lawes of Englande: lawes of Englande . |
Eudox: Eudox : What is this w hi ch wch yow saye , saye, and is there anye | Eudox : Eudox: What is this wch w hi ch yow saye, saye , and is there anye |
p ar te of that realme or any nac i on therein , w hi ch therein, wch haue | p ar te of that realme or any nac i on therein, wch therein , w hi ch haue |
not yett bene subdued to the crowne Crowne of England : Englande: | not yett bene subdued to the Crowne crowne of Englande: England : |
ded not the whole realme vniu er sallye accepte and a ac | ded not the whole realme vniu er sallye accepte and ac a |
knowledge our late Late Prince of famous memorye | knowledge our Late late Prince of famous memorye |
Henrie : the eight there theire onelye king and leige liege | Henrie : the eight theire there onelye king and liege leige |
Lord : Lord: | Lord: Lord : |
Iren: Iren : Yes verilye verylye In a p ar lament holden in the tyme of | Iren : Iren: Yes verylye verilye In a p ar lament holden in the tyme of |
S i S r Anthonye St S t Legar then lord deputie , Lord deputie, all the | S S i r Anthonye S t St Legar then Lord deputie, lord deputie , all the |
Irishe Lordes and principull principall men came in , and in, and | Irishe Lordes and principall principull men came in, and in , and |
beinge by faire meanes wrought therevnto ac | beinge by faire meanes wrought therevnto ac |
knowledgm ent knowledged | knowledged knowledgm ent |
Folio 4r | Folio 4r |
4 | 4 |
knowledged Kinge Henrye for theire Sou er aigne Lord, | knowledged Kinge Henrye for theire Sou er aigne Lord, |
reseruinge yet( as sime saye ) yet (as some saye) vnto them selues all theire | reseruinge yet (as some saye) yet( as sime saye ) vnto them selues all theire |
owne form er p re vilidged ri vilidges and signories invyolate : invyolate: | owne form er p ri vilidges re vilidged and signories invyolate: invyolate : |
Eudox:: Eudox : Then by that acceptance of his sou er aignetie they | Eudox : Eudox:: Then by that acceptance of his sou er aignetie they |
also accepted of his lawes , lawes, whie then should any other | also accepted of his lawes, lawes , whie then should any other |
lawes be nowe vsed amongst them :: them:: | lawes be nowe vsed amongst them:: them :: |
Iren: Then Iren : Trew yt is that thereby they bounde them selues to | Iren : Trew Iren: Then yt is that thereby they bounde them selues to |
his lawes and obedyence and in case yt had bene follo | his lawes and obedyence and in case yt had bene follo |
wed against them as yt should haue bene ) bene) and a | wed against them as yt should haue bene) bene ) and a |
gou er ern m en t therevpon p re sentlye setled amongst them agrea | gou ern er m en t therevpon p re sentlye setled amongst them agrea |
ble therevnto , therevnto, they should haue bene reduced to p er petuall | ble therevnto, therevnto , they should haue bene reduced to p er petuall |
Civillitye and contayned in contynevall dewtye : contynewall dewtye: But | Civillitye and contayned in contynewall dewtye: contynevall dewtye : But |
what boote bootes yt to breake a Colte and to lett him streight | what bootes boote yt to breake a Colte and to lett him streight |
rvn loose at randome . randome: So were this people at first | rvn loose at randome: randome . So were this people at first |
well handled and wiselye broughte to acknowledge ~~ -- | well handled and wiselye broughte to acknowledge -- ~~ |
alleigance to the kinge kinges of England , England, but being beinge streight | alleigance to the kinges kinge of England, England , but beinge being streight |
left vnto them selues and there owne inordynate lyfe | left vnto them selues and there owne inordynate lyfe |
and manners , manners, they eftsones forgitt forgott what before they | and manners, manners , they eftsones forgott forgitt what before they |
were taught , were taught, and so soone as they were out of sight | were taught, were taught , and so soone as they were out of sight |
by them selues shooke of theire brydles and begann to | by them selues shooke of theire brydles and begann to |
Colte anewe , colte anewe, more lycensiouslye then before :: before:: | colte anewe, Colte anewe , more lycensiouslye then before:: before :: |
Eudox: Eudox : It is great pyttie that so good an oportunitye was | Eudox : Eudox: It is great pyttie that so good an oportunitye was |
omitted, and so happye an occasion foreslacked that | omitted, and so happye an occasion foreslacked that |
might haue bred the eternall good of that land , land, but ded doe | might haue bred the eternall good of that land, land , but doe ded |
they not still acknowledge that submission :: submission:: | they not still acknowledge that submission:: submission :: |
Iren Noe they doe not for nowe the heires and posteritie of | Iren Noe they doe not for nowe the heires and posteritie of |
them w hi ch yeilded , wch yeilded, the same are (as they saye ) saye) eyther | them wch yeilded, w hi ch yeilded , the same are (as they saye) saye ) eyther |
ignorante thereof or doe wilfullye denye or stedfastly | ignorante thereof or doe wilfullye denye or stedfastly |
disavowe yt :: yt:: | disavowe yt:: yt :: |
Eudox: Eudox : How can they so doe iustlye , doth iustlye, Doth not the acte of | Eudox : Eudox: How can they so doe iustlye, Doth iustlye , doth not the acte of |
the parente in any lawfull grante or conveyance | the parente in any lawfull grante or conveyance |
bynde his heires for ever therevnto & Since then | bynde his heires for ever therevnto & Since then |
the | the |
Folio 4v | Folio 4v |
the ancestors of th.e th OB e se that now live yeilded them | the ancestors of th OB e th.e se that now live yeilded them |
selues then subiects subiectes and leige men , men, shall yt not tye | selues then subiectes subiects and leige men, men , shall yt not tye |
theire children to the same subiection ~: - : | theire children to the same subiection - : ~: |
Iren: Iren : They saye noe , ffor noe, For theire Anncistors Auncestors had | Iren : Iren: They saye noe, For noe , ffor theire Auncestors Anncistors had |
had noe estate in anye theire lands , signiories landes, Signiories | had noe estate in anye theire landes, Signiories lands , signiories |
or heridytam en te s tes longer than then duringe theire owne | or heridytam en tes te s longer then than duringe theire owne |
lyves , lyves, as they alled ge ; ffor alle d ge; For all the Irishe doe hould | lyves, lyves , as they alle d ge; For alled ge ; ffor all the Irishe doe hould |
theire lande Landes by Tanistrye , w hi ch Tanistrye, wch is to saye noe more but | theire Landes lande by Tanistrye, wch Tanistrye , w hi ch is to saye noe more but |
a p er sonallye estate for his lyef tyme , tyme, that is Tanist : and | a p er sonallye estate for his lyef tyme, tyme , that is Tanist : and |
Tanistrie : Tanistrie: They bee names and tearmes never by | Tanistrie: Tanistrie : They bee names and tearmes never by |
reason that he is admitted therevnto by election eleccion of | reason that he is admitted therevnto by eleccion election of |
the Countrye : Countrye: | the Countrye: Countrye : |
Eudox: Eudox : What is this yow call Tanist: and Tanistrie Tanistry | Eudox : Eudox: What is this yow call Tanist: and Tanistry Tanistrie |
they bee names and termes never hearde of or | they bee names and termes never hearde of or |
knowne to vs . ~ . vs.-. | knowne to vs.-. vs . ~ . |
Ireni Irenni : It is a custome amongst all the Irishe that | Irenni Ireni : It is a custome amongst all the Irishe that |
p re sentlie after the deathe of any theire chief lordes cheif Lordes | p re sentlie after the deathe of any theire cheif Lordes chief lordes |
or Captaines, they doe p re sentlye assemble them | or Captaines, they doe p re sentlye assemble them |
selues to a place gen er allye appointed and knowen | selues to a place gen er allye appointed and knowen |
vnto them to chuse another in his steade where | vnto them to chuse another in his steade where |
they doe nominate and electe for the most p ar te | they doe nominate and electe for the most p ar te |
not the old eld eldest sonn nor anye of the children | not the eld old eldest sonn nor anye of the children |
of theire Lord deceased, but the next to him of | of theire Lord deceased, but the next to him of |
bloude , bloude, that is the eldest and worthiest as com m only | bloude, bloude , that is the eldest and worthiest as com m only |
the next brother vnto him if he haue anye , anye, or | the next brother vnto him if he haue anye, anye , or |
the next cozine Germaine , Germaine, or so forth as any | the next cozine Germaine, Germaine , or so forth as any |
is elder in that kynred or septe : septe: And then next | is elder in that kynred or septe: septe : And then next |
to him doe these chuse the nexte of the blood | to him doe these chuse the nexte of the blood |
to be Tanist who shall next succeed him in | to be Tanist who shall next succeed him in |
the said Captenrye , Captenrye, yf he lyve therevnto ~ ~ . therevnto--. | the said Captenrye, Captenrye , yf he lyve therevnto--. therevnto ~ ~ . |
Eudox Eudox: | Eudox: Eudox |
Folio 5r | Folio 5r |
5 Eudox : doe they vse any Cerymonie in this eleccion. For | Eudox : doe they vse any Cerymonie in this eleccion. For 5 |
Eudox: doe they vse any Cerymonie in this election . ffor | Eudox: doe they vse any Cerymonie in this election . ffor |
all barborous nac i ons are comonlye great obseruers | all barborous nac i ons are comonlye great obseruers |
of Ceremonyes and supersticious rites :: rites:: | of Ceremonyes and supersticious rites:: rites :: |
Iren: Iren : They vse to place him that shallbe shalbee theire Capten vpo n | Iren : Iren: They vse to place him that shalbee shallbe theire Capten vpo n |
a stone, alwayes reserved for that purpose , purpose, and placed | a stone, alwayes reserved for that purpose, purpose , and placed |
com m onlye vpon a hill in manye of the w hi ch wch I haue seene | com m onlye vpon a hill in manye of the wch w hi ch I haue seene |
the foote of a man for.med formed and graven w hi ch wch they saye | the foote of a man formed for.med and graven wch w hi ch they saye |
was the measure of theire first Capteines foote ~ ~ foote-- | was the measure of theire first Capteines foote-- foote ~ ~ |
whereon he standinge receaveth an oath to p re serve all | whereon he standinge receaveth an oath to p re serve all |
the form er auntiente Customes of the countrye inviolable, | the form er auntiente Customes of the countrye inviolable, |
and to deliu er vpp the succession peaceablye to his Tanist | and to deliu er vpp the succession peaceablye to his Tanist |
and then hath a wande deliu er ed vnto him by some whose p ro p er | and then hath a wande deliu er ed vnto him by some whose p ro p er |
office that is, after w hi ch wch discendinge from the stone | office that is, after wch w hi ch discendinge from the stone |
he turneth him self round thrice forward and thrice | he turneth him self round thrice forward and thrice |
backward :. backward:. | backward:. backward :. |
Eudox: Eudox : But how is the Tanist chosen ~ ~ chosen--: | Eudox Eudox: But how is the Tanist chosen--: chosen ~ ~ : |
Iren: Iren : They saye he setteth but one foote vpon the stone ~ stone - | Iren : Iren: They saye he setteth but one foote vpon the stone - stone ~ |
and receyveth the lyke oath the Capteine did : ~ did:- | and receyveth the lyke oath the Capteine did:- did : ~ |
Eudox: Eudox : Haue yow ever heard what was the occasion | Eudox : Eudox: Haue yow ever heard what was the occasion |
and first begynninge of this Custome , ffor Custome, For yt is good | and first begynninge of this Custome, For Custome , ffor yt is good |
to knowe the same , same, and maye p er happs discou er some | to knowe the same, same , and maye p er happs discou er some |
secrete meaninge and intente therein verye materiall | secrete meaninge and intente therein verye materiall |
to the state of that gou er ern m en t :~. :-. | to the state of that gou ern er m en t :-. :~. |
Iren: Iren : I haue hearde that the begynninge and cause of this | Iren : Iren: I haue hearde that the begynninge and cause of this |
ordynance amongst the Irishe was speciallye for the | ordynance amongst the Irishe was speciallye for the |
defence and mainteynance of theire lande in theire | defence and mainteynance of theire lande in theire |
posteritie , posteritie, and for excludinge all innovac i ons or | posteritie, posteritie , and for excludinge all innovac i ons or |
alienacon | alienacon |
Folio 5v | Folio 5v |
alyenac i on thereof vnto strangers and especiallye to the | alyenac i on thereof vnto strangers and especiallye to the |
Englishe : ffor Englishe: For when theire Capten doeth deeth dieth yf the | Englishe: For Englishe : ffor when theire Capten deeth doeth dieth yf the |
Signiorie should discende vnto his childe and he p er happs | Signiorie should discende vnto his childe and he p er happs |
an Infante , Infante, any other mighte p er happs stepp i in betwene | an Infante, Infante , any other mighte p er happs stepp in i betwene |
and thurste him oute by stronge hand, being beinge then vnable | and thurste him oute by stronge hand, beinge being then vnable |
to defende his righte or to w i th stande wthstande the force of | to defende his righte or to wthstande w i th stande the force of |
a forraner , forraner, And therefore they doe appointe the eldest | a forraner, forraner , And therefore they doe appointe the eldest |
of the kynn to haue the Signyorie, Signyorie; for that he com m onlye | of the kynn to haue the Signyorie; Signyorie, for that he com m onlye |
is a man of stronge stronger yeares and better experyence to | is a man of stronger stronge yeares and better experyence to |
maintayne the inheritance and to defende the - | maintayne the inheritance and to defende the - |
Countrye , Countrye, eyther against the next bordringe Lordes | Countrye, Countrye , eyther against the next bordringe Lordes |
w hi ch wch vse comonlye to encroch one vpon another , another, as each | wch w hi ch vse comonlye to encroch one vpon another, another , as each |
one is stronger , stronger, or against the Englishe w hi ch wch they | one is stronger, stronger , or against the Englishe wch w hi ch they |
thinke lye still in wayte to wype them oute of there | thinke lye still in wayte to wype them oute of there |
land es and territories , landes and territories, and to this ende they the OB Tanist is | landes and territories, land es and territories , and to this ende the OB they Tanist is |
always alwayes readye knowin , knowne, yf yt should happen the Capte n | alwayes always readye knowne, knowin , yf yt should happen the Capte n |
suddenlie to dye or to be slayne in battayle or to bee | suddenlie to dye or to be slayne in battayle or to bee |
oute of the Countrye allotted vnto him to defende and | oute of the Countrye allotted vnto him to defende and |
kepe yt from all such doubte , doubtes, and dangers : ffor w hi ch dangers: For wch | kepe yt from all such doubtes, doubte , and dangers: For wch dangers : ffor w hi ch |
cause the Taniste Tanist hath also a share of the Countrie | cause the Tanist Taniste hath also a share of the Countrie |
allotted vnto him, and certaine Cuttinge s Cuttinges and spendinges | allotted vnto him, and certaine Cuttinges Cuttinge s and spendinges |
vpon all the Inhabytante s , Inhabytantes, vnder the Lord : Lord: | vpon all the Inhabytantes, Inhabytante s , vnder the Lord: Lord : |
Eudox: Eudox : When I heare this worde Tanist yt bringeth to | Eudox : Eudox: When I heare this worde Tanist yt bringeth to |
my remembrance what I haue redd of Tania þ a y t | my remembrance what I haue redd of Tania y þ a t |
it should signifye a province or Signiorie : Signiorie: Aquitania | it should signifye a province or Signiorie: Signiorie : Aquitania |
Lusitania Iusitania and Britania, Britania , the w hi ch wch some doe thincke to | Iusitania Lusitania and Britania , Britania, the wch w hi ch some doe thincke to |
thincke to be deryved of Tania, Dania , that is from the danes Danes, | thincke to be deryved of Dania , Tania, that is from the Danes, danes |
but I thincke , amisse , thincke, amisse, But sure yt semith semeth that yt | but I thincke, amisse, thincke , amisse , But sure yt semeth semith that yt |
came ancyentlye from those larborous barborous nations that | came ancyentlye from those barborous larborous nations that |
overr ran the world , w hi ch proffessed world, wch possessed those Dominions, dominions, | overr ran the world, wch possessed world , w hi ch proffessed those dominions, Dominions, |
whereof they are now so called . called: And so yt maye welbe | whereof they are now so called: called . And so yt maye welbe |
that from theme thence the first oridginall of this worde | that from thence theme the first oridginall of this worde |
Tanist | Tanist |
Folio 6r | Folio 6r |
6 | 6 |
Tanist and Tanistry came, and the Custome thereof hath | Tanist and Tanistry came, and the Custome thereof hath |
sythence as many others bee elle s ells bene contynewed , contynewed, But | sythence as many others bee ells elle s bene contynewed, contynewed , But |
to that gen er all subiecc i on of the lande whereof wee form er ly | to that gen er all subiecc i on of the lande whereof wee form er ly |
spake, mee semes that this Custome or tenure can bee | spake, mee semes that this Custome or tenure can bee |
noe barr nor ympeachm en t seinge that in open p ar lam en t | noe barr nor ympeachm en t seinge that in open p ar lam en t |
by theire said acknowledgm en t they wayved the bennyfite benyfite | by theire said acknowledgm en t they wayved the benyfite bennyfite |
thereof, and submitted them selues to the ordynance of | thereof, and submitted them selues to the ordynance of |
theire newe sou er aigne : aigne: | theire newe sou er aigne: aigne : |
Iren: Iren : Yea but they saye as I earst tould yow that they reserued | Iren : Iren: Yea but they saye as I earst tould yow that they reserued |
theire tytles tenures , tenures, and signiories whole and sound to | theire tytles tenures, tenures , and signiories whole and sound to |
them selues , selues, and for proof alled alle d ged that they haue eu er | them selues, selues , and for proof alle d alled ged that they haue eu er |
sythence remayned to them vntouched , vntouched, so as nowe to alter | sythence remayned to them vntouched, vntouched , so as nowe to alter |
them ^ should they saye ^ should bee a greate wronge : agreate wronge: | them ^ should they saye ^ should bee agreate wronge: a greate wronge : |
Eudox: Eudox : what ^ remedie is theire then or meanes to avoyde this | Eudox : Eudox: what ^ remedie is theire then or meanes to avoyde this |
inconvenience , ffor w i th inconvenience, For wth out first cuttinge of this dange | inconvenience, For wth inconvenience , ffor w i th out first cuttinge of this dange |
rous custome yt semeth harde to plante any sound | rous custome yt semeth harde to plante any sound |
ordynance , ordynance, or reduce them to a cyvill gou er m en t , since all | ordynance, ordynance , or reduce them to a cyvill gou er m en t , since all |
theire evill customes are p er mitted vnto them : them: | theire evill customes are p er mitted vnto them: them : |
Iren: Iren : Surelye nothinge hard for by this acte of p ar la | Iren : Iren: Surelye nothinge hard for by this acte of p ar la |
ment ment, whereof wee speake , we speake, nothinge was gyven to | ment, ment whereof we speake, wee speake , nothinge was gyven to |
Kinge Henrie , w hi ch Henrie, wch he had not before from his Aun | Kinge Henrie, wch Henrie , w hi ch he had not before from his Aun |
cestors , cestors, but onelye the bare name of a kinge. ffor kinge: For all | cestors, cestors , but onelye the bare name of a kinge: For kinge. ffor all |
other absolute power of principallitye he had in | other absolute power of principallitye he had in |
him self before deryved from manye form er kinge s , kinges, his | him self before deryved from manye form er kinges, kinge s , his |
famous progennitors and worthye Conquerors of that | famous progennitors and worthye Conquerors of that |
land, the w hi ch wch sythence they first conquered and | land, the wch w hi ch sythence they first conquered and |
by force subdued , subdued, vnto them , them, what neede he afterwarde s afterwardes | by force subdued, subdued , vnto them, them , what neede he afterwardes afterwarde s |
to enter into any such Idle termes w hi ch wth them to be called | to enter into any such Idle termes wth w hi ch them to be called |
theire kinge when, when as yt is in the powre of the | theire kinge when when, as yt is in the powre of the |
Conqueror to take vpon him self what tytles tytle he | Conqueror to take vpon him self what tytle tytles he |
will over his dominions conquered , conquered. for all is the | will over his dominions conquered. conquered , for all is the |
Conquerors | Conquerors |
Folio 6v | Folio 6v |
Conquerors, as Tullie to Brutus saith , saith, And therfore | Conquerors, as Tullie to Brutus saith, saith , And therfore |
mee seemes in stead of so great and meri. torious meritorious a ser | mee seemes in stead of so great and meritorious meri. torious a ser |
vice as they boast they p er formed to the kinge , kinge; in brin | vice as they boast they p er formed to the kinge; kinge , in brin |
ginge all the Irishe to our knowledge acknowledge him for theire | ginge all the Irishe to acknowledge our knowledge him for theire |
leige they did greate hurte vnto his tytle , tytle, and -- - | leige they did greate hurte vnto his tytle, tytle , and - -- |
haue lefte a perpetuall gall e in the mynde of that | haue lefte a perpetuall gall e in the mynde of that |
people , people, who before beinge absolutelye bound to his | people, people , who before beinge absolutelye bound to his |
obedyence , obedyence, are now tyed but w i th tearmes , wth tearmes, whereas | obedyence, obedyence , are now tyed but wth tearmes, w i th tearmes , whereas |
both theire lyves , theire lande lyves, theire landes and theire liberties | both theire lyves, theire landes lyves , theire lande and theire liberties |
were in his free power to appointe , appointe, what tennures , tennurs, | were in his free power to appointe, appointe , what tennurs, tennures , |
what lawes what Condyc i ons he would over them , w hi ch them, wch | what lawes what Condyc i ons he would over them, wch them , w hi ch |
were o..r over all his , his, against w hi ch wch there could bee noe | were over o..r all his, his , against wch w hi ch there could bee noe |
rightfull assestance , assistance, or yf there were he mighte when | rightfull assistance, assestance , or yf there were he mighte when |
he would establishe them w i th wth a stronger hould hand . hand: | he would establishe them wth w i th a stronger hould hand: hand . |
Eudox: Eudox : Yea but p er happs yt seemed better vnto that noble | Eudox : Eudox: Yea but p er happs yt seemed better vnto that noble |
kinge to bringe them by there owne accorde to his | kinge to bringe them by there owne accorde to his |
obedyence and to plante a peaceable gou er ern m en t amongst | obedyence and to plante a peaceable gou ern er m en t amongst |
them , them, then by such vyolent meanes to plucke them | them, them , then by such vyolent meanes to plucke them |
vnder . vnder. Neyther yet hath he thereby left lost any thinge | vnder. vnder . Neyther yet hath he thereby lost left any thinge |
that he form er lye had , had, for havinge all before ab | that he form er lye had, had , for havinge all before ab |
solutelye in his owne power , power, it remayneth so still | solutelye in his owne power, power , it remayneth so still |
he havinge neyther forggotteneven forgotten even nor forgone any thing | he havinge neyther forgotten even forggotteneven nor forgone any thing |
thereby vnto them , them, but havinge receved receyved something | thereby vnto them, them , but havinge receyved receved something |
from them , them, that is a more amore voluntarie and loyall | from them, them , that is amore a more voluntarie and loyall |
subiection , subiection, So as her ma jes tie maye yett when yt | subiection, subiection , So as her ma jes tie maye yett when yt |
shall please her alter any thinge of those form er | shall please her alter any thinge of those form er |
ordynances , ordynances, or appointe other lawes that maye bee | ordynances, ordynances , or appointe other lawes that maye bee |
more both for there theire owne behoof . behoof, and for the god good | more both for theire there owne behoof, behoof . and for the good god |
of that people : people:: | of that people:: people : |
Iren: Iren : Not so for yt is not so easie now no w that thinges are growen | Iren : Iren: Not so for yt is not so easie no w now that thinges are growen |
into an habyte and haue there certaine course , course, to - - | into an habyte and haue there certaine course, course , to - - |
change the Channell , Channell, and turne theire streames a | change the Channell, Channell , and turne theire streames a |
nother waye , ffor waye:, For they maye haue now a coullorable | nother waye:, For waye , ffor they maye haue now a coullorable |
p re tence to w hi ch wth stand such invocasion havinge accepted of other | p re tence to wth w hi ch stand such invocasion havinge accepted of other |
lawes and rules alreadye . alreadye:: | lawes and rules alreadye:: alreadye . |
Eodox: Eudox: But | Eudox: Eodox: But |
Folio 7r | Folio 7r |
7 Eudox : But yow saye they doe not accepte of them but de | Eudox : But yow saye they doe not accepte of them but de 7 |
Eudox: But yow saye they doe not acepte of them but de light rather to leane to their ould customes and - | light rather to leane to their ould customes and - Eudox: But yow saye they doe not acepte of them but de |
light rather to leane to theire ould customes Brehon: lawes, though they bee much more vniust and ~ | Brehon: lawes, though they bee much more vniust light rather to leane to theire ould customes and ~ |
Brehon lawes , though they bee much also more vniust and vnconvenient for the com m on people, as | also Brehon lawes , though they bee much more vnconvenient for the com m on people, as vniust and |
also more vnconvenient by yor late relac i on people , as of them I gathred, As for the com m | by yor late relac i also more vnconvenient for the com m on of them I gathred, As people , as |
by yo u r late relacon lawes of them I gathered, As for the Englande they are surelye most iust – | lawes by yo u r late relacon of Englande they are surelye most iust – them I gathered, As for the |
lawes of Englande they are surelye and most iust ~ agreable both wth the gou ern m en t and wth the | and lawes of Englande they are surelye most agreable both wth the gou ern m en t and wth the iust ~ |
and most agreable both w i th the gou er m en t and w i th the nature of the people, ho w falls yt out then that | nature of the people, ho w falls yt out then that and most agreable both w i th the gou er m en t and w i th the |
nature yow seeme to dislyke of the people , How falls yt out then that them, as not so meete for | yow seeme to dislyke nature of them, as not so meete for the people , How falls yt out then that |
yow see me to dislyke that realme of them , as Ireland, and not so meete for onelye the com m on | that realme yow see me to dislyke of Ireland, and them , as not onelye the com m on so meete for |
that realme , lawe but also the com m on statutes and not onelye actes of England , p ar lament wch | lawe but also that realme , of p ar lament wch England , and actes not onelye the statutes com m on |
lawe but also weare speciallye provided and acts of p ar lament w hi ch intended for the state | weare speciallye provided lawe but also the state and intended for acts of p ar lament w hi ch |
we are speciallye provided and intended for the onelye benifyte thereof: | onelye benifyte thereof: we are speciallye provided and intended for the |
onelye benifyte thereof Irenn : I was aboute to haue tould yow my reaso n therin | Irenn : I was aboute to haue tould yow my reaso n therin onelye benifyte thereof |
Iren I was aboute to haue tould but that yow my reaso n therin yor self drewe mee awaye wth other | but that Iren I was aboute to haue tould yow yor self drewe mee awaye wth other my reaso n therin |
but that questions, for I was shewinge yow yo u r self drewe mee awaye w i th other by what meanes | questions, for I was shewinge but that yow by what meanes yo u r self drewe mee awaye w i th other |
questions , for I was shewinge yow by what meanes | questions , for I was shewinge yow by what meanes |
and in what sorte the possitiue lawes were first | and in what sorte the possitiue lawes were first |
brought in and established by the Norman conqueror conquero r , | brought in and established by the Norman conquero r , conqueror |
w hi ch wch were not by him devised , nor applyed vnto the | wch w hi ch were not by him devised , nor applyed vnto the |
state of the realme then beinge , beinge,: nor as yt | state of the realme then beinge,: beinge , nor as yt |
might m i ght best bee , as bee, (as should by lawgyvers p er r incipally | m i ght might best bee, (as bee , as should by lawgyvers p r er incipally |
be regarded , regarded) but were indeed the verie lawes | be regarded) regarded , but were indeed the verie lawes |
of his owne Countrye of Normandye , Normandye, the Condyco Condyc i o n | of his owne Countrye of Normandye, Normandye , the Condyc i o Condyco n |
whereof . whereof. how farr yt differreth from this of | whereof. whereof . how farr yt differreth from this of |
England , England, is apparant to eu er ie least iudgm en t , but | England, England , is apparant to eu er ie least iudgm en t , but |
to transfor transfer the same lawes for the gou er ing e ning of | to transfer transfor the same lawes for the gou er ning ing e of |
the realme of Ireland was much more | the realme of Ireland was much more |
inconvenient , inconvenient, and vnmeete : for. vnmeete: for he found a better | inconvenient, inconvenient , and vnmeete: for vnmeete : for. he found a better |
advantage of the tyme tyme, then was in the “then was” boxed in | advantage of the tyme, tyme then was in the “then was” boxed in |
plantinge of them in England Ireland Irelande England, and followed the “England” boxed | plantinge of them in Irelande England, England Ireland and followed the “England” boxed |
execution of them , w i th them, wth more severitie , severitie, and was | execution of them, wth them , w i th more severitie, severitie , and was |
also p re sent in p er son to overlooke the Magistrates , Magistrates, | also p re sent in p er son to overlooke the Magistrates, Magistrates , |
and to | and to |
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and to overr awe the subiectes w i th wth the terror of his sworde and | and to overr awe the subiectes wth w i th the terror of his sworde and |
countenance of his ma ies jes tie . : But not so in Ireland Ireland: for | countenance of his ma jes ies tie . But not so in Ireland: Ireland : for |
they weare otherwise effected , effected, and yet not so remaind , remaind, | they weare otherwise effected, effected , and yet not so remaind, remaind , |
so as the same lawes mee seemes can ill fytt w i th wth there | so as the same lawes mee seemes can ill fytt wth w i th there |
disposission or worke that reformacon that is wished , wished, | disposission or worke that reformacon that is wished, wished , |
for lawes ought to be fashioned vnto the mann er s and cond | for lawes ought to be fashioned vnto the mann er s and cond |
ycion of the people , people, to whom they are meant , meant, and not | ycion of the people, people , to whom they are meant, meant , and not |
to be ymposed vpon them accordinge accordynge to the symple | to be ymposed vpon them accordynge accordinge to the symple |
rule of right , . right, for then as I said in stead of good | rule of right, right , . for then as I said in stead of good |
they maye worke ill . ill, and p er verte justice Iustice to extreame | they maye worke ill, ill . and p er verte Iustice justice to extreame |
iniustice.. : ffor injustice: For he that would transferr the lawes | injustice: For iniustice.. : ffor he that would transferr the lawes |
of the Lacedymonians to the people of Ithens Athens should | of the Lacedymonians to the people of Athens Ithens should |
fynde a great agreat absurdytie and inconvenience : ffor these inconvenience: For those | fynde agreat a great absurdytie and inconvenience: For those inconvenience : ffor these |
lawes of Lacedemon Lacedemon: were devised by Lycurgus , as | lawes of Lacedemon: Lacedemon were devised by Lycurgus , as |
most proper and best agreinge w i th wth that people , people, | most proper and best agreinge wth w i th that people, people , |
whome whom he knewe to be inclyned altogeather to wars wars, | whom whome he knewe to be inclyned altogeather to wars, wars |
And therefore wholie trayned them vpp even from | And therefore wholie trayned them vpp even from |
theire Cradles in armes and millytarie exrcyses exercyses | theire Cradles in armes and millytarie exercyses exrcyses |
cleane contrarye to the instituc i on of Solon , whom | cleane contrarye to the instituc i on of Solon , whom |
his lawes to the Ithenians Athenians labored by all meanes | his lawes to the Athenians Ithenians labored by all meanes |
to temp er theire warlike courrages w i th wth sweete ~ - | to temp er theire warlike courrages wth w i th sweete - ~ |
delighte of learninge , learninge, and sciences , sciences, so that as | delighte of learninge, learninge , and sciences, sciences , so that as |
much as the one excelled in Armes and millitare | much as the one excelled in Armes and millitare |
exercyses thother exceded in knowledge , knowledge, the like | exercyses thother exceded in knowledge, knowledge , the like |
regarde and moderac i on ought to be had in tempe tempo | regarde and moderac i on ought to be had in tempo tempe |
ring and in enaging menaging of this stubborne nacon of the | ring and menaging in enaging of this stubborne nacon of the |
Irishe , Irishe, to bring them from theire delight of lycen | Irishe, Irishe , to bring them from theire delight of lycen |
sious barberisme tious barborisme vnto the loue of goodnes and Civill | tious barborisme sious barberisme vnto the loue of goodnes and Civill |
itie : itie:: | itie:: itie : |
Eudox: Eudox : I cannot see how that maye better bee then | Eudox : Eudox: I cannot see how that maye better bee then |
by the decypline of the lawes of England . ffor England. For | by the decypline of the lawes of England. For England . ffor |
the Englishe were as at first as stoute and warlike a | the Englishe were at as first as stoute and warlike a |
people as ever were the Irishe , Irishe, and yett yee | people as ever were the Irishe, Irishe , and yett yee |
see are now brought to that Civillitie , Civillitie, that noe | see are now brought to that Civillitie, Civillitie , that noe |
nac i on in | nac i on in |
Folio 8r | Folio 8r |
8 | 8 |
nacon in the worlde excelleth them in all godlye | nacon in the worlde excelleth them in all godlye |
conversac i on , on, and all studyes of knowledge and humanitie : humanitie: | conversac i on, on , and all studyes of knowledge and humanitie: humanitie : |
Iren: what Iren : What they now bee , no w bee, both yow and I see verie well well, but | Iren : What Iren: what they no w bee, now bee , both yow and I see verie well, well but |
by how manye thornye and harde wayes they are | by how manye thornye and harde wayes they are |
come therevnto , by how therevnto, by ho w manye Civill broyles , by how broyles, by how | come therevnto, by ho w therevnto , by how manye Civill broyles, by how broyles , by how |
many tumultuous rebellyons rebellyons, that even hazard often | many tumultuous rebellyons, rebellyons that even hazard often |
tymes the whole saftye saiftye of the kingdome , kingdome, maye | tymes the whole saiftye saftye of the kingdome, kingdome , maye |
easelye bee Considered , Considered, All w hi ch wch they never the | easelye bee Considered, Considered , All wch w hi ch they never the |
lesse fairelye overcame by reason of the contynew | lesse fairelye overcame by reason of the contynew |
all p re sence of the kinge whose onelye p p er son is ~ | all p re sence of the kinge whose onelye p p er son is ~ |
oftentymes in steade of an Armye to Contayne the | oftentymes in steade of an Armye to Contayne the |
vnrulye people from a thowsand evill occasions , w hi ch occasions, wch | vnrulye people from a thowsand evill occasions, wch occasions , w hi ch |
that wretched kingedome , kingdome, is for wante thereof dalie | that wretched kingdome, kingedome , is for wante thereof dalie |
carryed into : into: The w hi ch wch when they so make heade , heade, | carryed into: into : The wch w hi ch when they so make heade, heade , |
noe lawes noe pennalties , pennalties, can restraine , restraine, but that | noe lawes noe pennalties, pennalties , can restraine, restraine , but that |
they die doe in the vyolence of that furie treade downe | they doe die in the vyolence of that furie treade downe |
and trample vnderfoote all both dyvine and humane humaine | and trample vnderfoote all both dyvine and humaine humane |
thinges , thinges, and the lawes themselues them selues they doe speciallye | thinges, thinges , and the lawes them selues themselues they doe speciallye |
rage at and rende in peeces as most repugnante | rage at and rende in peeces as most repugnante |
to theire libertie , and naturall fredome , w hi ch fredome, wch in theire | to theire libertie , and naturall fredome, wch fredome , w hi ch in theire |
madnes they effect ~~ :-–: | madnes they effect :-–: ~~ |
Eudox: Eudox : It is then a verye averye vnseasonable tyme to pleade lawe lawe, when swordes are in the handes of the vulgare or to thinck | Eudox : Eudox: It is then averye a verye vnseasonable tyme to pleade lawe, when swordes are in the handes of the vulgare or to thinck lawe |
to thinck retaine them wth feare of the vulgare or punishm en tes , when swordes are in the handes they | when they swordes are in the handes of punishm en tes , the vulgare or to retaine them wth feare thinck |
to retaine them feare looke after libertie and shake of punishm all gou ern m en tes , when they t - : - | looke after libertie and shake to retaine them feare of all gou ern m punishm en t - : - tes , when they |
looke after libertie and shake of all gou er m en t Iren : ~ Then so yt is wth Ireland Contynewallie for the | Iren looke after libertie and shake of all gou er m en t : Then so yt is wth Ireland Contynewallie for the ~ |
Iren: Then so yt is w i th Ireland Contynewallie for the sworde was never yett out of theire hand, but when | sworde was never yett out of theire hand, but when Iren: Then so yt is w i th Ireland Contynewallie for the |
sworde was never yett out of theire hand , but when they are wearie wth warres and brought downe to -- | they are wearie wth warres and brought downe to -- sworde was never yett out of theire hand , but when |
extreame wre t chednes, then they are wearie w i th warrs and brought downe to ~~ Creepe a lyttle p er happs | they Creepe a lyttle p er happs are wearie w i th warrs and brought downe to ~~ |
extreame wret chednes , then and sewe for grace, till they Creepe a lyttle p er happs haue gotten newe breath | and sewe for grace, till extreame wret chednes , then they haue gotten newe breath Creepe a lyttle p er happs |
and sewe for grace , till they haue gotten newe breath recovered strength againe: So as yt is in vaine to | and recovered strength againe: So as yt is in vaine to sewe for grace , till they haue gotten newe breath |
speake of plantinge of lawes and recovered strength againe : So as yt is in vaine to plottinge of pollycies, | and plottinge of pollycies, recovered strength againe : So as yt is in vaine to |
speake of plantinge of lawes and plottinge of pollycies till they be altogeather subdued: | till they be altogeather subdued: speake of plantinge of lawes and plottinge of pollycies |
till Eudox : Were they be altogeather subdued not so at the first conquering of them by | Eudox till they not so at the first conquering of them by be altogeather subdued : Were |
Eudox: Were they not so at the first conquering of them by | Eudox: Were they not so at the first conquering of them by |
Strangbowe in the tyme of Kinge Henrye the | Strangbowe in the tyme of Kinge Henrye the |
seconde | seconde |
Folio 8v | Folio 8v |
seconde . seconde. – was there not a thorowe waye then made by the | seconde. – seconde . was there not a thorowe waye then made by the |
sword, for the ymposinge of the lawes vpon them , them, and | sword, for the ymposinge of the lawes vpon them, them , and |
were they not then executed w i th sure wth such mightie hand | were they not then executed wth such w i th sure mightie hand |
as yow saye was vsed by the Norman Conqueror , Conqueror, what | as yow saye was vsed by the Norman Conqueror, Conqueror , what |
odes is there then in this case , case, why should not the | odes is there then in this case, case , why should not the |
same lawes take as good effecte in that people as | same lawes take as good effecte in that people as |
they did here : here: beinge in lyke sorte prepared by the | they did here: here : beinge in lyke sorte prepared by the |
sworde and brought vnder by extreamitye and whye | sworde and brought vnder by extreamitye and whye |
should yt not Contynewe in as good force and vygor | should yt not Contynewe in as good force and vygor |
for the Contayning of the people . people:: | for the Contayning of the people:: people . |
Iren. Iren : The Case yet is not lyke but there apperes great | Iren : Iren. The Case yet is not lyke but there apperes great |
odds betwene them , them, for by the Conquest of Henrye the | odds betwene them, them , for by the Conquest of Henrye the |
seconde trewe yt is that the Irishe were vtterlye | seconde trewe yt is that the Irishe were vtterlye |
vanquished and subdued , subdued, so as noe enimye was able to | vanquished and subdued, subdued , so as noe enimye was able to |
hould vpp head against his powre , powre, in w hi ch wch there ~~ –- | hould vpp head against his powre, powre , in wch w hi ch there –- ~~ |
weakones weakenes he brought in his lawes , lawes, and settled them | weakenes weakones he brought in his lawes, lawes , and settled them |
as nowe they there remaine lyke as will ia willia m the | as nowe they there remaine lyke as willia will ia m the |
Conqueror did , did, so as in this thus much they agree but | Conqueror did, did , so as in thus this much they agree but |
in the rest that is in the chefest they varie : ffor varie: For | in the rest that is in the chefest they varie: For varie : ffor |
to whom did kinge Henrie the seconde impose those | to whom did kinge Henrie the seconde impose those |
lawes, not to the Irishe for the most p ar te of them | lawes, not to the Irishe for the most p ar te of them |
fledd from his powre into deserte , desertes, and Mountaines | fledd from his powre into desertes, deserte , and Mountaines |
leavinge levinge the wyde Countrie to the Conqueror whoe | levinge leavinge the wyde Countrie to the Conqueror whoe |
in there the i re stead eftsones placed English men who | in the i re there stead eftsones placed English men who |
possessed all the land and did quite shutt owte the | possessed all the land and did quite shutt owte the |
Irishe or the most p ar te of them . them: And to those new newe | Irishe or the most p ar te of them: them . And to those newe new |
inhabytantes and Colonies he gaue his lawes , lawes, to | inhabytantes and Colonies he gaue his lawes, lawes , to |
wete the same lawes vnder w hi ch wch they were borne | wete the same lawes vnder wch w hi ch they were borne |
and bred , bred, the w hi ch wch yt was not deffyculte to place | and bred, bred , the wch w hi ch yt was not deffyculte to place |
amongst them , them, beinge form er lye well entred therevnto; vnto whom afterwardes there repared dyverse of the | amongst them, them , beinge form er lye well entred therevnto; vnto whom afterwardes there repared dyverse of the |
vnto whom afterwarde there repared dyverse of the | vnto whom afterwarde there repared dyverse of the |
poore distressed people of the Irish for succor and | poore distressed people of the Irish for succor and |
releis , releif, of whom such as they thought fitt for labor | releif, releis , of whom such as they thought fitt for labor |
and industriously | and industriously |
Folio 9r | Folio 9r |
and industriouslye disposed as the most moste p ar te of theire baser sorte are | and industriouslye disposed as the moste most p ar te of theire baser sorte are |
they receyved vnto them as theire vassalles , vassalls, but scarslye vout | they receyved vnto them as theire vassalls, vassalles , but scarslye vout |
safed to imp ar te vnto them the benyfite of those lawes , lawes, vnder – | safed to imp ar te vnto them the benyfite of those lawes, lawes , vnder – |
w hi ch wch them selues lyved , lyved, but eu er ie one made his will a comannd comaund | wch w hi ch them selues lyved, lyved , but eu er ie one made his will a comaund comannd |
m en t and a lawe vnto his owne vassal , vassall, Thus was not the | m en t and a lawe vnto his owne vassall, vassal , Thus was not the |
lawe of England eu er properlye applyed vnto the Irishe naco nac i o n | lawe of England eu er properlye applyed vnto the Irishe nac i o naco n |
as by a purposed plott of gou er ern m en t but as they could insynuate | as by a purposed plott of gou ern er m en t but as they could insynuate |
and steale them selues . vnder the same by theire humble | and steale them selues . vnder the same by theire humble |
carriaige and submission :. submission:: | carriaige and submission:: submission :. |
Eudox: Eudox : How comes yt it then to passe that havinge bene once so lowe | Eudox : Eudox: How comes it yt then to passe that havinge bene once so lowe |
brought and thorowlye subiected , subiected, they afterwardes lifted | brought and thorowlye subiected, subiected , they afterwardes lifted |
them selues so stronglie vpp againe , againe, and sythence doe stand | them selues so stronglie vpp againe, againe , and sythence doe stand |
stiflye against all rules rule and gou er ern m en t | stiflye against all rule rules and gou ern er m en t |
Iren: Iren : They saye that they contynewed in that lowlynesse | Iren : Iren: They saye that they contynewed in that lowlynesse |
vntill the tyme that the division betwene the howses | vntill the tyme that the division betwene the howses |
of Lancaster and Yorke arose for the Crowne of England : England: | of Lancaster and Yorke arose for the Crowne of England: England : |
of w hi ch at wch tyme all the great Englishe Lordes Lordes, and gent w hi ch lemen wch had | at wch of w hi ch tyme all the great Englishe Lordes, Lordes and gent lemen wch w hi ch had |
greate possessions in Ireland repayred over hither into | greate possessions in Ireland repayred over hither into |
England to succor theire freindes here , here, and to strengthen | England to succor theire freindes here, here , and to strengthen |
theire p ar tie for to obtaine the Crowne , Crowne, others to defende | theire p ar tie for to obtaine the Crowne, Crowne , others to defende |
theire landes and possessions against such as hovered for? after for aft er | theire landes and possessions against such as hovered for aft er for? after |
the same vpon hope of the alteracon of the kingdome and | the same vpon hope of the alteracon of the kingdome and |
successe of that syde , w hi ch syde, wch they favored and effected , then effected, Then | successe of that syde, wch syde , w hi ch they favored and effected, Then effected , then |
the Irishe whom they before had bannished into the | the Irishe whom they before had bannished into the |
mountaines where they lyved onelye vpon white meates | mountaines where they lyved onelye vpon white meates |
as yt is recorded recorded: seinge now theire so dispeopled and ~~ –- | as yt is recorded: recorded seinge now theire so dispeopled and –- ~~ |
weakned , weakned, came downe into all the plaines adioyninge , adioyninge, | weakned, weakned , came downe into all the plaines adioyninge, adioyninge , |
and thence expellinge those fewe Englishe that ~ – | and thence expellinge those fewe Englishe that – ~ |
remayned , remayned, repossessed them againe , againe, since w hi ch wch tyme | remayned, remayned , repossessed them againe, againe , since wch w hi ch tyme |
they haue remayned in them and growinge greater | they haue remayned in them and growinge greater |
have brought vnder them manye of the English , w hi ch English, wch | have brought vnder them manye of the English, wch English , w hi ch |
were before theire Lordes . Lordes. This is one of the occasions | were before theire Lordes. Lordes . This is one of the occasions |
by w hi ch wch all those Countries w hi ch wch lyinge nea ne a re vnto any | by wch w hi ch all those Countries wch w hi ch lyinge ne a nea re vnto any |
mountaines or Irishe deserts , w hi ch desertes, wch had bene planted w i th wth | mountaines or Irishe desertes, wch deserts , w hi ch had bene planted wth w i th |
Englishe , Englishe, were shortly displanted and lost : lost: as ~~ –- | Englishe, Englishe , were shortly displanted and lost: lost : as –- ~~ |
namelie | namelie |
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namelye in Mounster mounster all the landes adioyninge vnto Slewlougher | namelye in mounster Mounster all the landes adioyninge vnto Slewlougher |
Arlo , Arlo, and the bogge of Allon . Allon. In Connaght all the Countries | Arlo, Arlo , and the bogge of Allon. Allon . In Connaght all the Countries |
bordringe vpon the Culvers Culvers: Moneroo and Orourkes Countrie Countrie: | bordringe vpon the Culvers: Culvers Moneroo and Orourkes Countrie: Countrie |
In Leinster all the landes neighbouringe vnto the Mountaines | In Leinster all the landes neighbouringe vnto the Mountaines |
of Glanmallo vnto Shellelagh vnto the Brisklagh and | of Glanmallo vnto Shellelagh vnto the Brisklagh and |
Poulmonte : Poulmonte: In Vlster all the Countries nere vnto Tirconel | Poulmonte: Poulmonte : In Vlster all the Countries nere vnto Tirconel |
Tyrowne and ffertellagh Fertellagh and the Skottes : . Skottes:: | Tyrowne and Fertellagh ffertellagh and the Skottes:: Skottes : . |
Eudox: Surelie this was a greate violence : but yet by yo ur ~~ | Eudox: Surelie this was a greate violence : but yet by yo ur ~~ |
speach it semeth that onelye the Countrye and Valley | speach it semeth that onelye the Countrye and Valley |
nere adioyninge vnto those mountaines and deserte desertes were | nere adioyninge vnto those mountaines and desertes deserte were |
thus recou er ed by the Irishe . Irishe. but how howe comes yt now nowe that | thus recou er ed by the Irishe. Irishe . but howe how comes yt nowe now that |
wee see almost all that realme repossessed of them them. | wee see almost all that realme repossessed of them. them |
was there anye more such evill euill occasions growinge | was there anye more such euill evill occasions growinge |
by the troubles of England , England, or did the Irishe out of | by the troubles of England, England , or did the Irishe out of |
these places so by them gotten breake further further, and | these places so by them gotten breake further, further and |
streche their them selues farther out through the whole | streche them their selues farther out through the whole |
lande . lande: But now no w for ought that I can vnderstand , vnderstand, there | lande: lande . But no w now for ought that I can vnderstand, vnderstand , there |
is noe p ar te but the bare Englishe pale , pale, in w hi ch the wch the | is noe p ar te but the bare Englishe pale, pale , in wch the w hi ch the |
Irishe haue not greatest footinge : footinge: | Irishe haue not greatest footinge: footinge : |
Iren: Iren : Both out of these small begynninges by them | Iren : Iren: Both out of these small begynninges by them |
gotten nere the mountaines did they spreed them | gotten nere the mountaines did they spreed them |
selues into the Inland Countrye Countrye, and also to theire | selues into the Inland Countrye, Countrye and also to theire |
further advantage , advantage, there did other like vnhappie - - | further advantage, advantage , there did other like vnhappie - - |
accidentes happen out of England , w hi ch England, wch gaue harte | accidentes happen out of England, wch England , w hi ch gaue harte |
and good oportunytie to them to regaine theire ould | and good oportunytie to them to regaine theire ould |
possessions ffor possessions: For in the raigne of kinge Edward the | possessions: For possessions ffor in the raigne of kinge Edward the |
iiijth iiij th thinges remayned yet in the same state that they | iiij th iiijth thinges remayned yet in the same state that they |
were were, after the late breakinge out of the Irishe w hi ch wch | were, were after the late breakinge out of the Irishe wch w hi ch |
I spake of : of: And that noble prince Prince began to caste | I spake of: of : And that noble Prince prince began to caste |
an eye vnto Ireland and to mynde the reformac i on | an eye vnto Ireland and to mynde the reformac i on |
of thinges there rune amisse : amisse: for he sente over his bro | of thinges there rune amisse: amisse : for he sente over his bro |
ther the Worthie duke worthie Duke of Clarence , Clarence, who havinge | ther the worthie Duke Worthie duke of Clarence, Clarence , who havinge |
married the heire of Lacie , Lacie, and by her havinge | married the heire of Lacie, Lacie , and by her havinge |
all the Earledome of Vlster and much in Meathe | all the Earledome of Vlster and much in Meathe |
and in : in: | and in: in : |
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20 and in mounster, verie carefullye wente aboute the redressing | and in mounster, verie carefullye wente aboute the redressing 20 |
of those late evills, and in Mounster , verie carefullye went aboute though he could not beate out the redressing Irish | and though he could not beate out in Mounster , verie carefullye went aboute the Irish redressing |
againe, by reason of those late evills , and though his shorte contynewance, yett he could not beate out the Irish did shutt – | of his shorte contynewance, yett those late evills , and though he did shutt – could not beate out the Irish |
againe, by reason of his shorte contynewance , yett he did shutt ~ them vpp wthin those narrow corners and glennes vnder the | them vpp wthin those narrow corners and glennes vnder the againe, by reason of his shorte contynewance , yett he did shutt ~ |
them vpp w i th mountaine foote, in those narrow corners and glenns vnder the wch by buildinge stronge holdes vpon | mountaine foote, them vpp w i th in wch by buildinge stronge holdes vpon those narrow corners and glenns vnder the |
mountains foote , in w hi ch by buildinge stronge holdes vpon everie border, and fortefyinge all passages (Amongst the | everie border, and fortefyinge all passages (Amongst the mountains foote , in w hi ch by buildinge stronge holdes vpon |
everie border , and fortefyinge all passages (Amongst wch he builte the Castle of Clare in Thomond : of wch | wch he builte everie border , and fortefyinge all passages (Amongst the Castle of Clare in Thomond : of wch |
w hi ch countrie he builte had the Castle of Clare in Thomond: of w hi ch Inheritance, and of Mortymers landes | countrie w hi ch he had builte the Inheritance, and of Mortymers landes Castle of Clare in Thomond: of w hi ch |
countrie he had adioyninge, wch is now by the Inheritance , and of Mortymers landes Irish called Killalowe) they | adioyninge, wch is now by countrie he had the Irish called Killalowe) they Inheritance , and of Mortymers landes |
adioyninge , w hi ch is now by lu r ked, and kepte from breakinge any further: But the Irish called killalowe ) they | lu r ked, and kepte from breakinge any further: But adioyninge , w hi ch is now by the Irish called killalowe ) they |
lur ked , and kepte from breakinge any further . But the tymes of that good Kinge growinge troublesome, did lett | tymes of that good Kinge growinge troublesome, did lett lur ked , and kepte from breakinge any further . But the |
tymes the thorowe reformac i on of that good Kinge growinge troublesome , did lett all thinges. And therevnto soone | the thorowe reformac i on tymes of all thinges. And therevnto soone that good Kinge growinge troublesome , did lett |
the thorowe reformacon of all thinges . And therevnto soone after was added another fatall mischeif, wch wrought | after was added another fatall mischeif, wch wrought the thorowe reformacon of all thinges . And therevnto soone |
after was added another fatall mischeif , w hi ch wrought agreater callamitye then all the form er : For the said Duke | agreater callamitye then all the form er : For the said Duke after was added another fatall mischeif , w hi ch wrought |
a greater callamitye of Clarence then all the form er . ffor the said Duke Lord Lievetenn an t of Ireland was by prac | of Clarence a greater callamitye then Lord Lievetenn an t of Ireland was by prac all the form er . ffor the said Duke |
of Clarence then lord Lievten a nt of Ireland was by prac tize of evill p er sons aboute the kinge his brother called there | tize of evill p er sons aboute the kinge his brother called there of Clarence then lord Lievten a nt of Ireland was by prac |
tize of evill p er sons aboute the king his brother called thence awaye, and soone after by synister meanes was cleane | awaye, and soone after by synister meanes was cleane tize of evill p er sons aboute the king his brother called thence |
awaye , and soone made awaye, Presentlye after by synister meanes was cleane whose death all the – | made awaye, Presentlye awaye , and soone after whose death all the – by synister meanes was cleane |
made awaye , Presentlye after whose death all the ~ northe revoltinge did sett vpp, Oneale for theire Capteine, | northe revoltinge did sett vpp, Oneale for theire Capteine, made awaye , Presentlye after whose death all the ~ |
northe revolting did sett vpp Oneale for theire Capteine , beinge before that of small power and regard, and there | beinge before that of small power and regard, and there northe revolting did sett vpp Oneale for theire Capteine , |
beinge before that of small power and regard , and there | beinge before that of small power and regard , and there |
arose in that p ar te of Thomonde one of the Obriens called | arose in that p ar te of Thomonde one of the Obriens called |
Murrogh en ranagh , ranagh, That is Morris of the farme or waste | Murrogh en ranagh, ranagh , That is Morris of the farme or waste |
wyld places , wylde places, who gatheringe vnto him all the rebuke relickes of | wylde places, wyld places , who gatheringe vnto him all the relickes rebuke of |
the discontented Irishe eftsones eftesones surprized the said Castle | the discontented Irishe eftesones eftsones surprized the said Castle |
of Clare Clare, burnte and spoyled all the Englishe there dwelling dwellinge | of Clare, Clare burnte and spoyled all the Englishe there dwellinge dwelling |
and in shorte space there possessed all the Countrie beyond | and in shorte space there possessed all the Countrie beyond |
the Ryver of Shenan and nere adioyninge , whence ~ adioyninge, wheree – | the Ryver of Shenan and nere adioyninge, wheree – adioyninge , whence ~ |
shortelye breakinge forth lyke a suddaine tempest he overran | shortelye breakinge forth lyke a suddaine tempest he overran |
all Mounster , all Mounster, and Connaught Connaught, breakinge downe all the | all Mounster, all Mounster , and Connaught, Connaught breakinge downe all the |
holdes and fortresses of the Englishe defacinge and vtterlie | holdes and fortresses of the Englishe defacinge and vtterlie |
subvertinge all corporate townes that were not stronglie | subvertinge all corporate townes that were not stronglie |
walled . ffor walled: For those he had not noe meanes nor engynes to | walled: For walled . ffor those he had noe not meanes nor engynes to |
overthrowe , overthrowe, neyther in deed would he staye at all about | overthrowe, overthrowe , neyther in deed would he staye at all about |
them , them, but spedelie run forward forward, cuttinge countinge his | them, them , but spedelie run forward, forward cuttinge countinge his |
suddennesse his most vantaige . vantaige, that he might overtake | suddennesse his most vantaige, vantaige . that he might overtake |
the English : English: | the English: English : |
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before theye could fortefie or gather or gather them selues togeathr togeath er . | before theye could fortefie or gather or gather them selues togeath er . togeathr |
So in shorte tyme he cleane wyped out manye greate | So in shorte tyme he cleane wyped out manye greate |
townes townes, as first in Shegum , Shegum, the Killalowe Killalowe, before called | townes, townes as first in Shegum, Shegum , the Killalowe, Killalowe before called |
clarryfort t , afterwardes clarryfort, afterwardes, Thurles Mounee Mou OB e Mourne Buttevan Buttevant: | clarryfort, afterwardes, clarryfort t , afterwardes Thurles Mou OB e Mounee Mourne Buttevant: Buttevan |
and manye others | and manye others |
whose names I cannot remember , remember, and of some of w hi ch wch there | whose names I cannot remember, remember , and of some of wch w hi ch there |
is now noe memorie nor signe remayninge remayninge, vpon report | is now noe memorie nor signe remayninge, remayninge vpon report |
where of whereof there flocked vnto him all the scum scume of the Irishe | whereof where of there flocked vnto him all the scume scum of the Irishe |
out of all places , places, that ere longe he had a mightie armye amightie armye, | out of all places, places , that ere longe he had amightie armye, a mightie armye |
and thence m ar ched forth onto Lymster , where he wrought ~ | and thence m ar ched forth onto Lymster , where he wrought ~ |
great outrages , outrages, waistinge and spoylinge all the Countrie ~ – | great outrages, outrages , waistinge and spoylinge all the Countrie – ~ |
where he wente ffor wente: For yt was his pollicie to leaue noe | where he wente: For wente ffor yt was his pollicie to leaue noe |
houldes behinde him , him, but to make all plaine and waste waist, | houldes behinde him, him , but to make all plaine and waist, waste |
In the w hi ch wch he soone after created him self kinge , kinge, and | In the wch w hi ch he soone after created him self kinge, kinge , and |
was called Kinge of all Ireland , w hi ch Ireland, wch before him I | was called Kinge of all Ireland, wch Ireland , w hi ch before him I |
doe not reade that any did so gen er allie but onelie Edward | doe not reade that any did so gen er allie but onelie Edward |
lee Bruce . Lee Bruce.: | Lee Bruce.: lee Bruce . |
Eudox: Eudox : what was there ever any gen er all kinge of all –- | Eudox : Eudox: what was there ever any gen er all kinge of all –- |
Ireland Ireland, I never heard yt before before, but that yt was alwaies | Ireland, Ireland I never heard yt before, before but that yt was alwaies |
whilst whilso yt was vnder the Irishe deuided into fower and | whilso whilst yt was vnder the Irishe deuided into fower and |
sometymes into fyve kingdomes or dominions . dominions,. But this | sometymes into fyve kingdomes or dominions,. dominions . But this |
Edward lee Bruce what was he that he was could make | Edward lee Bruce what was he that he was could make |
him self kinge of all Ireland | him self kinge of all Ireland |
Iren: Iren : I would tell yow yow, yf incase in case yow would not challenge me mee for | Iren : Iren: I would tell yow, yow yf in case incase yow would not challenge mee me for |
forgettinge the matter w hi ch wch I had in hand , hand, that is the inconve | forgettinge the matter wch w hi ch I had in hand, hand , that is the inconve |
nience and vnfitnes w hi ch wch I supposed to be in the lawes of | nience and vnfitnes wch w hi ch I supposed to be in the lawes of |
the land : . land:: | the land:: land : . |
Eudox: Eudox : Noe surelye surelie I haue noe t cause no e OB cause, for neyther is this imp er tynent | Eudox : Eudox: Noe surelie surelye I haue no e OB cause, noe t cause for neyther is this imp er tynent |
therevnto , therevnto, for sythence you yow did sett yo u r yor course (as I rem em ber remeb er ) | therevnto, therevnto , for sythence yow you did sett yor yo u r course (as I remeb er ) rem em ber |
in yo u r yor first p ar te to treat of the evills w hi ch wch hindereth | in yor yo u r first p ar te to treat of the evills wch w hi ch hindereth |
the peace and good ordringe of that land land, amongst | the peace and good ordringe of that land, land amongst |
w hi ch wch that of the inconvenience of the lawes was the | wch w hi ch that of the inconvenience of the lawes was the |
first w hi ch wch yee had in hand , hand, this discourse of the overrunning | first wch w hi ch yee had in hand, hand , this discourse of the overrunning |
and wasting waisting of the realme , realme, is verie materiall there | and waisting wasting of the realme, realme , is verie materiall there |
vnto , vnto, for that yt was the begynning of other evills | vnto, vnto , for that yt was the begynning of other evills |
w hi ch wch sythence | wch w hi ch sythence |
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w hi ch wythence wch sythence haue afflicted that lande , lande, and opened a waye vnto | wch sythence w hi ch wythence haue afflicted that lande, lande , and opened a waye vnto |
the Irishe to recou er theire possession , possession, and to beate out the – | the Irishe to recou er theire possession, possession , and to beate out the – |
Englishe w hi ch wch had form er lie wonne the same , same, and besides yt will | Englishe wch w hi ch had form er lie wonne the same, same , and besides yt will |
giue a great light both vnto yo u r yor seconde and thirde p ar te , w hi ch tes, wch | giue a great light both vnto yor yo u r seconde and thirde p ar tes, wch te , w hi ch |
is the redressinge of those evills , evills, and plantinge of some | is the redressinge of those evills, evills , and plantinge of some |
good forme of pollycie therein by renewinge the remembre remembra | good forme of pollycie therein by renewinge the remembra remembre |
nce of those occasions and accydents accydentes by w hi ch wch those ruins ~ – | nce of those occasions and accydentes accydents by wch w hi ch those ruins – ~ |
happened , happened, and layinge before vs thensamples of those tymes | happened, happened , and layinge before vs thensamples of those tymes |
to be compared w i th ours , wth ours, and to be rewarded by those, w hi ch wch | to be compared wth ours, w i th ours , and to be rewarded by those, wch w hi ch |
shall haue to doe in the like . like, Therefore I praye yow tell | shall haue to doe in the like, like . Therefore I praye yow tell |
them vnto vs , vs, and as for the pointe where yow lefte I will | them vnto vs, vs , and as for the pointe where yow lefte I will |
not forgett afterwards afterwardes to call you back againe therevnto :: backagaine there vnto:: | not forgett afterwardes afterwards to call you backagaine there vnto:: back againe therevnto :: |
Iren: Iren : This Edward lee Lee Bruce was the Brother of R OB Rob er t | Iren : Iren: This Edward Lee lee Bruce was the Brother of OB R Rob er t |
lee Bruce, Lee Bruce , who was kinge of Scotland Scotland, at such tyme | Lee Bruce lee Bruce, who was kinge of Scotland, Scotland , at such tyme |
as kinge Kinge Edward the seconde raigned here in Englande | as Kinge kinge Edward the seconde raigned here in Englande |
and bare a most malicious and spitefull mynde against | and bare a most malicious and spitefull mynde against |
kinge Edward , Kinge Edward, doinge him all the scathe hee could and | Kinge Edward, kinge Edward , doinge him all the scathe hee could and |
annoyinge his territories o of England whilst he was troabled troubled | annoyinge his territories o of England whilst he was troubled troabled |
w i th wth Civill warrs of his Barrons at home home: He also to | wth w i th Civill warrs of his Barrons at home: home He also to |
worke him the more villanye mischief , villainye mischeif, sente over his said | worke him the more villainye mischeif, villanye mischief , sente over his said |
brother Edward w i th wth a power of Skotte s , Skottes, and Redshanke s Redshankes | brother Edward wth w i th a power of Skottes, Skotte s , and Redshankes Redshanke s |
into Ireland , Ireland, whereby meanes of the lacies Lacies and of the | into Ireland, Ireland , whereby meanes of the Lacies lacies and of the |
Irishe w i th wth whom they Combyned , Combyned, they gott footinge , footinge, and | Irishe wth w i th whom they Combyned, Combyned , they gott footinge, footinge , and |
gathringe vnto him them all the scatterlins of outlawes oute | gathringe vnto them him all the scatterlins of outlawes oute |
of all the woode woodes and mountaines in w hi ch wch they longe had | of all the woodes woode and mountaines in wch w hi ch they longe had |
lurked , lurked, marched forth vnto into the English pale , w hi ch Englishe pale, wch then | lurked, lurked , marched forth into vnto the Englishe pale, wch English pale , w hi ch then |
was cheiflie in the North North, from the pointe of dunluce Dunluce and | was cheiflie in the North, North from the pointe of Dunluce dunluce and |
beyonde vnto dubline , Dubline, havinge in the middest myddest of her | beyonde vnto Dubline, dubline , havinge in the myddest middest of her |
knockfergus Knockfergus Belfast Armagh Carlmgeford w hi ch A rmagh Carlingeford , wch are | Knockfergus knockfergus Belfast A rmagh Carlingeford , wch Armagh Carlmgeford w hi ch are |
now the most out bounde boundes and abandoned places in the English Englishe | now the most out boundes bounde and abandoned places in the Englishe English |
pale , pale, and and some noe p ar te thereof at all . ffor all: For yt stret | pale, pale , and and some noe p ar te thereof at all: For all . ffor yt stret |
cheth now noe further then dundalke DunDalke towardes the North Northe | cheth now noe further then DunDalke dundalke towardes the Northe North |
there the they said Edward lee Bruce spoyled and burnte all | there they the said Edward lee Bruce spoyled and burnte all |
the ould Englishe pale puttinge to the swoord all | the ould Englishe pale puttinge to the swoord all |
the Englishe Inhabytantes Inhabytantes, and sacked and raced all | the Englishe Inhabytantes, Inhabytantes and sacked and raced all |
Cytties and corporate Corporate townes noe lesse noe lesse | Cytties and Corporate corporate townes noe lesse noe lesse |
then Murro Murro: | then Murro: Murro |
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then Murro en Rana Ran a gh of whom I earst tould yow : ffor yow: For hee | then Murro en Ran a Rana gh of whom I earst tould yow: For yow : ffor hee |
wasted Belfast Greencastle Kells Beltalbot Castletowne . OB Newtowne | wasted Belfast Greencastle Kells Beltalbot Castletowne OB . Newtowne |
and manie other verie good townes and strongehoulde s stronge houldes | and manie other verie good townes and stronge houldes strongehoulde s |
he rooted out the noble families of the Andleyes , the Andleyes, the | he rooted out the noble families of the Andleyes, the Andleyes , the |
Talbote the Tutchites , the Chamberlaines , Talbotes the Tutchites, the Chamberlaines, the Mande | Talbotes the Tutchites, the Chamberlaines, Talbote the Tutchites , the Chamberlaines , the Mande |
vils , vils, and the Salvages , Salvages, though of the Lord Salvage | vils, vils , and the Salvages, Salvages , though of the Lord Salvage |
there remaine yet on heire an heire, that is nowe verie averie | there remaine yet an heire, on heire that is nowe averie verie |
poore gentleman , gentleman, dwellinge at the Ardes . Ardes: And coming com m inge | poore gentleman, gentleman , dwellinge at the Ardes: Ardes . And com m inge coming |
lastlie to dundalke , Dundalke, he theire made him self kinge . . Kinge | lastlie to Dundalke, dundalke , he theire made him self Kinge kinge . . |
and raigned by the space of one whole yeare by the yeare, by the | and raigned by the space of one whole yeare, by the yeare by the |
name of Edward kinge of of Ireland , vntil Kinge of of Ireland, vntill that | name of Edward Kinge of of Ireland, vntill kinge of of Ireland , vntil that |
kinge Kinge Edward of England havinge sett some quiet in | Kinge kinge Edward of England havinge sett some quiet in |
his affaires at home , home, sente over the Lo john Lo: John Bremingha m | his affaires at home, home , sente over the Lo: John Lo john Bremingha m |
to be gen er all of the warr war r es against him , him, who encountri encountry | to be gen er all of the war r warr es against him, him , who encountry encountri |
nge him nere to dundalke overthrowe Dundalke overthrewe his Armye | nge him nere to Dundalke overthrewe dundalke overthrowe his Armye |
and slewe hem self him self, and p re sentlye followed the victorie | and slewe him self, hem self and p re sentlye followed the victorie |
so hotelie vpon his Scots , Scotes, that he suffred them | so hotelie vpon his Scotes, Scots , that he suffred them |
not to staye or gather them selues to geather ~ ~ - | not to staye or gather them selues to geather - ~ ~ |
againe againe, vntill they came to the sea coast , coast; not w i th standing wthstanding | againe, againe vntill they came to the sea coast; coast , not wthstanding w i th standing |
all the waye as they fledd , fledd, for verye rancor and –- | all the waye as they fledd, fledd , for verye rancor and –- |
dispight dispight, then vtterlye wasted waisted and consumed what | dispight, dispight then vtterlye waisted wasted and consumed what |
soever they had before left vnspoyled , vnspoyled, so that of all | soever they had before left vnspoyled, vnspoyled , so that of all |
townes , and Castles , ffortes and bridges , townes, and Castles, Fortes and bridges, and habytacons | townes, and Castles, Fortes and bridges, townes , and Castles , ffortes and bridges , and habytacons |
he lefte not anye sticke standinge nor anye people | he lefte not anye sticke standinge nor anye people |
remayninge remayninge: for those few w hi ch fewe, wch yet survived fledd fled fro m | remayninge: remayninge for those fewe, wch few w hi ch yet survived fled fledd fro m |
his furie where further into the Englishe pale | his furie where further into the Englishe pale |
that now is . is, Thus was all that goodlie Countrie | that now is, is . Thus was all that goodlie Countrie |
vtterlie wasted waisted and lefte desolate ^ desolate, and as yett remayneth | vtterlie waisted wasted and lefte desolate, desolate ^ and as yett remayneth |
to this daye w hi ch wch before had bene the cheif ornamente | to this daye wch w hi ch before had bene the cheif ornamente |
and bewtie of Ireland ffor Ireland: For that p ar te of the North sometime | and bewtie of Ireland: For Ireland ffor that p ar te of the North sometime |
was as populus and plentifull as any p ar te in England | was as populus and plentifull as any p ar te in England |
and yeilded vnto the kinges Kinges of England as yett appereth | and yeilded vnto the Kinges kinges of England as yett appereth |
by good recordes , recordes) thirtie thowsand m ar kes of ould monye by | by good recordes) recordes , thirtie thowsand m ar kes of ould monye by |
the yeare , yeare, besyde manye thowsand of able men to : | the yeare, yeare , besyde manye thowsand of able men to : |
serue them in theire warrs , warrs, sure yt is yet a most bewti | serue them in theire warrs, warrs , sure yt is yet a most bewti |
full and sweete Countrie as any is vnder the heaven | full and sweete Countrie as any is vnder the heaven |
seamed | seamed |
Folio 12r | Folio 12r |
12 seamed throughout wth manie goodlie ryvers replenished wth | seamed throughout wth manie goodlie ryvers replenished wth 12 |
seamed throughout w hi ch manie goodlie ryvers replenished w i th all sortes of fishe most aboundantlie: sprinckled wth verie | all sortes of fishe most aboundantlie: sprinckled wth verie seamed throughout w hi ch manie goodlie ryvers replenished w i th |
all sortes of fishe most aboundantlie : sprinckled w i th verie manie sweete Ilandes and goodlie lakes lyke little inland seas, | manie sweete Ilandes and goodlie lakes lyke little inland seas, all sortes of fishe most aboundantlie : sprinckled w i th verie |
manie sweete Ilandes and goodlie lakes lyke ^ little inland seas, that will carrie even shipps vpon theire waters, --- | that will carrie even shipps vpon theire waters, --- manie sweete Ilandes and goodlie lakes lyke ^ little inland seas, |
that will carrie even shipps vpon theire waters , a ~ ~ adorned wth goodlie woodes fitt for buildinge of howses and | adorned wth goodlie woodes fitt for buildinge of howses and that will carrie even shipps vpon theire waters , a ~ ~ |
adorned w i th goodlie woodes fitt for buildinge of howses and | adorned w i th goodlie woodes fitt for buildinge of howses and |
shipps so comodiouslie , as that if some princes in the ~~ worlde hadd them, they would soone hope to be Lordes | worlde hadd them, they would soone hope to be Lordes shipps so comodiouslie , as that if some princes in the ~~ |
worlde hadd them , they would soone hope to be lordes of all the seas, and ere longe of all the worlde, Also | of all the seas, and ere longe of all the worlde, Also worlde hadd them , they would soone hope to be lordes |
of all the seas , full of verie goode portes and ere longe of all the worlde , Also havens openinge vpon – | full of verie goode portes of all the seas , and havens openinge vpon – ere longe of all the worlde , Also |
full of verie goode portes and havens openinge vpon ~ England, Scotland, as invitinge vs to come vnto –- | England, Scotland, as invitinge vs to come vnto –- full of verie goode portes and havens openinge vpon ~ |
England , Scotland , as invitinge vs them, to come vnto ~~ see what excellent com m odities that Countrie can | them, England , Scotland , as invitinge vs to see what excellent com m odities that Countrie can come vnto ~~ |
them , to see what excellent comodities that Countrie can affoord, besydes the soyle yt self verie most fertile, | affoord, besydes the soyle yt self verie most fertile, them , to see what excellent comodities that Countrie can |
affoord , besydes the soyle yt self verie most fertile ; fitt to yeild all kynde of fruite, that shalbe com m itted | fitt to yeild all kynde of fruite, that shalbe com m itted affoord , besydes the soyle yt self verie most fertile ; |
fitt to yield all kynde of fruite , that shalbe comitted thereinto, and lastlie the h e avens most mylde and – | thereinto, and lastlie the h e avens most mylde and – fitt to yield all kynde of fruite , that shalbe comitted |
there into , and lastlie temp er ate, though some what more moyst, then the havens most mylde and | temp er ate, though some what more moyst, then there into , and lastlie the havens most mylde and |
temp er ate , though some what more moyst , then p ar tes towardes the west:-:-: | p ar tes towardes temp er ate , though some what more moyst , then the west:-:-: |
p ar tes towardes Eudox : Trulie Irenius : what wth yor prayses of the west : ~ – | Eudox : Trulie Irenius : what wth yor prayses of p ar tes towardes the – west : ~ |
Eudox: Trulie Irenius Countrie, and what w i th yo u r prayses of wth the ~ lamentable dissolacon | Countrie, and Eudox: Trulie Irenius what wth w i th yo u r prayses of the lamentable dissolacon ~ |
Countrie , and what w i th the lamentable dissolacon thereof, made by those ragtailes in Scotland, yow haue | thereof, made by those ragtailes in Scotland, yow haue Countrie , and what w i th the lamentable dissolacon |
thereof , made by those ragtailes in Scotland , yow haue fylled me wth agreat compassion of theire Calamities, | fylled me wth agreat compassion of theire Calamities, thereof , made by those ragtailes in Scotland , yow haue |
fylled me w i th a great compassion of theire Calamities | fylled me w i th a great compassion of theire Calamities |
that I doe much pittie that sweet lande to be subiecte | that I doe much pittie that sweet lande to be subiecte |
to so manie evills , evills, as everie daye I see more and | to so manie evills, evills , as everie daye I see more and |
more throwne vpon her , her, and doe half begine to thincke | more throwne vpon her, her , and doe half begine to thincke |
that it is as (as yee said at the begynninge , begynninge) her fatall | that it is (as as yee said at the begynninge) begynninge , her fatall |
misfortune aboue all Countries , Countries, that I knowe to bee | misfortune aboue all Countries, Countries , that I knowe to bee |
thus misserablie tossed and turmoyled w i th wth these varia | thus misserablie tossed and turmoyled wth w i th these varia |
ble stormes of afflictions . afflictions; But since wee are thus | ble stormes of afflictions; afflictions . But since wee are thus |
farr entred into the consideracon of her mishapps , mishapps, tell | farr entred into the consideracon of her mishapps, mishapps , tell |
mee haue their theire bene any more such tempests, tempestes, as | mee haue theire their bene any more such tempestes, tempests, as |
yee terme them , them, wherein shee hath thus wretchedlie | yee terme them, them , wherein shee hath thus wretchedlie |
bene wracked : wracked:: -- | bene wracked:: -- wracked : |
Iren: Iren : Varie manie moe god wote god wote haue there | Iren : Iren: Varie manie moe god wote god wote haue there |
bene , bene, in w hi ch wch her principall p ar tes haue bene torne a | bene, bene , in wch w hi ch her principall p ar tes haue bene torne a |
sounder , sounder, but none that I can remember , remember, so vniu er sall | sounder, sounder , but none that I can remember, remember , so vniu er sall |
as these | as these |
12v as these, and yett the rebellion of Thomas fitz Garrett did | Folio 12v as these, and yett the rebellion of Thomas fitz Garrett did |
as these , and yett the rebellion of Thomas fitz Garrett did | as these , and yett the rebellion of Thomas fitz Garrett did |
willinglie stretch yt self into all p ar tes of Ireland. But that wch was in the tyme of the gou ern m en t of the Lord | But that wch was in the tyme of the gou ern m en t of the Lord willinglie stretch yt self into all p ar tes of Ireland. |
But that w hi ch Graye, was in the tyme of the gou surelye noe lesse gen er m en t of the lord all then all these | Graye, But that w hi ch was surelye noe lesse gen in the tyme of the gou er all then all these m en t of the lord |
Graye , for theire was surely noe lesse gen er all then all these p ar te free from y e contagion, but all conspi | for theire Graye , was surely noe p ar te free from y e contagion, but all conspi lesse gen er all then all these |
for theire was noe p ar te free from ye contagion , but all conspi | for theire was noe p ar te free from ye contagion , but all conspi |
red in one to cast of theire subiection to the Crowne of | red in one to cast of theire subiection to the Crowne of |
England, Never the lesse ^ Neverthelesse through the most wise and valyante handling handli n g | England, Neverthelesse Never the lesse ^ through the most wise and valyante handli n g handling |
of that right noble lord , Lord, yt gott not that head , w hi ch head, wch | of that right noble Lord, lord , yt gott not that head, wch head , w hi ch |
the form er evills found , found, for in them the realme was lefte | the form er evills found, found , for in them the realme was lefte |
lyke a shippe in a storme amiddst all the raginge surge surges, | lyke a shippe in a storme amiddst all the raginge surges, surge |
vnruled and undyrected vndyrected of any . ffor they any: For theye to whom whome | vnruled and vndyrected undyrected of any: For theye any . ffor they to whome whom |
she was com m itted , itted, eyther fainted in theire labor Labor, or | she was com m itted, itted , eyther fainted in theire Labor, or labor |
for sooke forsooke theire charge , but charge,: But he like a most wyse Pylot | forsooke for sooke theire charge,: But charge , but he like a most wyse Pylot |
kepte her course carefullie, and helde her Nose stronge stronglie | kepte her course carefullie, and helde her Nose stronglie stronge |
against those roringe byllowes , byllowes, that he brought her | against those roringe byllowes, byllowes , that he brought her |
safelie saifelie out of all , all, so as longe after ever even by the – | saifelie safelie out of all, all , so as longe after even ever by the – |
space of xij or xiij one yeres tene yeres, shee rode OB roode at peace , peace, | space of xij or xiij tene yeres, one yeres shee OB roode rode at peace, peace , |
through his onelie paines and excellent endurance . endurance. | through his onelie paines and excellent endurance. endurance . |
how eu how.eu er envye list to blatter against him him., But of | how.eu how eu er envye list to blatter against him., him But of |
this we wee shall haue more occasion to speake at | this wee we shall haue more occasion to speake at |
another tyme , tyme, yf it please yow lett vs returne again againe | another tyme, tyme , yf it please yow lett vs returne againe again |
into our first course course: | into our first course: course |
Eudox: Eudox : Trewlie I am verie glad to here yo u r yor iudgm en t of the | Eudox : Eudox: Trewlie I am verie glad to here yor yo u r iudgm en t of the |
gou er ern m en t of that honorable man so soundlie ffor soundlie: For I haue | gou ern er m en t of that honorable man so soundlie: For soundlie ffor I haue |
in deed hard heard yt oftentime maligned , oftentimes maligned, and his doinge doinges | in deed heard hard yt oftentimes maligned, oftentime maligned , and his doinges doinge |
depraved of some , some, who I p er ceaue did rather of mutinous malicious | depraved of some, some , who I p er ceaue did rather of malicious mutinous |
mynde or pryvate grevance seeke to detracte , detracte, from the | mynde or pryvate grevance seeke to detracte, detracte , from the |
honor of his deeds deedes and Counsells , Counsells, then of any Iust | honor of his deedes deeds and Counsells, Counsells , then of any Iust |
cause , cause, but he was nevertheles in the Iudgm en t tes of all | cause, cause , but he was nevertheles in the Iudgm en tes t of all |
wyse and good men defendid , and mayntayned , and now defendid, and mayntayned, and n o w | wyse and good men defendid, and mayntayned, and n o w defendid , and mayntayned , and now |
that he is dead , dead, his immortall fame surviveth and | that he is dead, dead , his immortall fame surviveth and |
florisheth in the mouthes of all the people , people, that even | florisheth in the mouthes of all the people, people , that even |
those w hi ch wch did backbyte him , him, are choked w i th wth theire | those wch w hi ch did backbyte him, him , are choked wth w i th theire |
owne vennom , vennom, and breake theire galls to heare his | owne vennom, vennom , and breake theire galls to heare his |
so honorable | so honorable |
13r so honorable reporte: But let him rest in peace and turne wee | Folio 13r so honorable reporte: But let him rest in peace and turne wee |
13 to our more troublous matters of discourse, of wch I am | to our more troublous matters of discourse, of wch I am 13 |
right sorie y t yow make so honorable reporte : But let him rest in peace shorte an ende and turne woe covet to passe | so shorte an ende honorable reporte : But let him rest in peace and covet to passe turne woe |
over to our more troublous matters of discourse , of w hi ch I am yor form er purpose, for there bee manye other | to yor form er purpose, for there bee manye other our more troublous matters of discourse , of w hi ch I am |
right sorie ^ th at yow marke so shorte an ende and covet to passe p ar tes of Irelande wch as I haue heard, haue bene noe | p ar tes of Irelande wch as I haue heard, haue bene noe right sorie ^ th at yow marke so shorte an ende and covet to passe |
over to yo u r form er purpose , for there bee manye other lesse vexed wth the lyke stormes, then these of wch | lesse vexed wth the lyke stormes, then these of wch over to yo u r form er purpose , for there bee manye other |
p ar tes yow haue treated, As the Countrye of Irelande w hi ch as I haue heard , haue bene noe ye Byrnes and – | yow haue treated, As the Countrye p ar tes of ye Byrnes and – Irelande w hi ch as I haue heard , haue bene noe |
lesse vexed w i th Tooles nere dubline wth the lyke stormes , then these of w hi ch insolente outrages and | Tooles nere dubline wth lesse vexed w i th the insolente outrages and lyke stormes , then these of w hi ch |
you haue treated, As spoyles of Feagh m c Hugh, the Countrye ye Byrnes and ~ Countries of Carlo, | spoyles of Feagh m c Hugh, you haue treated, As the Countries of Carlo, Countrye ye Byrnes and ~ |
Tooles nere dubline w i th Wexford, and Waterforde, of the insolente outrages Cavenaghes: The | Wexford, Tooles nere dubline w i th the Cavenaghes: The insolente outrages and Waterforde, of |
Countries of Carlo, Leix, Kilkennye, and Kildare, of the | spoyles of ffeagh mc Hugh , the Countries of Leix, Kilkennye, and Kildare, of Carlo, |
Wexford, Moores, The Counties of the Cavenaghes: Offalie Meath and Waterforde , Lang | Moores, Wexford, and Lang Waterforde , of Offalie Meath the Cavenaghes: The Counties |
Countries of Leix , Kilkennye and Kildare, forde, of the Conhours, The Counties of Westmeath | forde, Countries of Leix , Kilkennye and Kildare, of the Conhours, The Counties of Westmeath |
Moores , The Counties Cavan and Louth, of Offalie Meath and Lang the Orelies, the Kelli e s and | Cavan and Louth, Moores , The Counties of the Orelies, the Kelli e s and Offalie Meath and Lang |
forde , of manye others, So as the Conhours , The Counties of Westmeath discoursinge of them should | manye others, So as forde , of the discoursinge of them should Conhours , The Counties of Westmeath |
Cavaran and Louth , besydes the pleasure wch should redound out of the Orelies , the Kellie s and yor – | besydes the pleasure wch should redound out Cavaran and Louth , of yor – the Orelies , the Kellie s and |
manye others , So as the discoursinge hystorie, be also verie profytable for matter of them should pollicie: | hystorie, be also verie profytable for matter manye others , So as the discoursinge of pollicie: them should |
Iren : All these wch yee haue named and manye moe besydes the pleasure w hi ch should redound out of yo u r ~ | besydes the pleasure w hi ch should redound out of yo u r ~ |
hystorie , be also verie profytable for matter of pollicie often tymes haue (I right well knowen) to kyndle | often tymes haue (I right well knowen) to kyndle hystorie , be also verie profytable for matter of pollicie |
Iren: All these w hi ch yee haue named and manye moe besydes greate fyres of tumultuous troubles, in the Countries | greate fyres of tumultuous troubles, in the Countries Iren: All these w hi ch yee haue named and manye moe besydes |
oftentymes haue (I right well knowen) bordringe vpon them., All wch to kyndle rehearse should - | bordringe vpon them., All wch oftentymes haue (I right well knowen) to rehearse should - kyndle |
greate fyres of tumultuous troubles , in rather be to Cronicle tymes, then to search into the Countries | rather be to Cronicle tymes, then to search into greate fyres of tumultuous troubles , in the Countries |
bordringe vpon them . All w hi ch to rehearse should ~ reformacon of abuses in that realme, and yett verie | reformacon of abuses in that realme, and yett verie bordringe vpon them . All w hi ch to rehearse should ~ |
rather be to Cronicle tymes , then to search into needfull yt wilbe to Consider them, and the evills | needfull yt wilbe to Consider them, and rather be to Cronicle tymes , then to search into the evills |
reformacon of abuses in wch they haue styrred vpp, that realme , and yett verie some redresse thereof | wch they haue styrred vpp, reformacon of abuses in that some redresse thereof realme , and yett verie |
and p re vencon for the evills to consider them , come, may thereby the | needfull yt wilbe to come, may thereby the consider them , and p re vencon for the evills |
w hi ch they rather be devized. But I suppose wee shall haue styrred vpp , that some redresse thereof a | rather be devized. But I suppose wee shall w hi ch they haue a styrred vpp , that some redresse thereof |
and p re vencon fytter oportunitie for the evills to come , may thereby the same, when wee shall -- | fytter oportunitie and p re vencon for the same, when wee shall -- evills to come , may thereby the |
rather be devized But I suppose wee shall haue a | rather be devized But I suppose wee shall haue a |
fytter oportunitie for the same , when wee shall ~~ | fytter oportunitie for the same , when wee shall ~~ |
speake of the p ar ticuler abuses and enormities of that | speake of the p ar ticuler abuses and enormities of that |
gou er ern m en t w hi ch wch wilbe next after those gen er all defectes and | gou ern er m en t wch w hi ch wilbe next after those gen er all defectes and |
inconveniences , w hi ch inconveniences, wch I said were in the lawes , lawes, Customes | inconveniences, wch inconveniences , w hi ch I said were in the lawes, lawes , Customes |
and relidgion . relidgion:- | and relidgion:- relidgion . |
Eudox: Eudox : Goe to them in Godes name and followe the –- | Eudox : Eudox: Goe to them in Godes name and followe the –- |
course w hi ch wch yee haue purposed to yo u r self yor self: for yt | course wch w hi ch yee haue purposed to yor self: yo u r self for yt |
fytteth | fytteth |
Folio 13v | Folio 13v |
fytteth best I must confesse w i th wth the purpose of our discourse delcare declare | fytteth best I must confesse wth w i th the purpose of our discourse declare delcare |
yo u r yor opynion as yee begonn e , bego n ne, about the lawes of the realm realme | yor yo u r opynion as yee bego n ne, begonn e , about the lawes of the realme realm |
what incomodytus . incomodytie yee haue conceyved to be in them , ~ them, - | what incomodytie incomodytus . yee haue conceyved to be in them, - them , ~ |
Cheiflye in the Com m on lawe w hi ch wch I would haue thought | Cheiflye in the Com m on lawe wch w hi ch I would haue thought |
most free, from all such dislyke dislykes | most free, from all such dislykes dislyke |
Iren: Iren : The Comon lawe is (as I before said) of yt self most | Iren : Iren: The Comon lawe is (as I before said) of yt self most |
rightfull and verye convenient , convenient, I suppose for the kinge | rightfull and verye convenient, convenient , I suppose for the kinge |
dome , for w hi ch dome, for wch yt was first deuized for this I thincke thincke, (as | dome, for wch dome , for w hi ch yt was first deuized for this I thincke, thincke (as |
yt semes reasonable , reasonable, that out of the mann (er) er s of the people | yt semes reasonable, reasonable , that out of the mann er s (er) of the people |
and abuses of the Countrye for w hi ch wch they were invinted invented, | and abuses of the Countrye for wch w hi ch they were invented, invinted |
they tooke their theire first begynninge : ffor For ells they should | they tooke theire their first begynninge : For ffor ells they should |
bee most vniust , vniust, for not noe lawes of man accordinge to | bee most vniust, vniust , for noe not lawes of man accordinge to |
the streight comandem comaundem rule of right, are iust, but as | the streight comaundem comandem rule of right, are iust, but as |
in regarde of the evills , w hi ch evills, wch they prevent , preuent, and the | in regarde of the evills, wch evills , w hi ch they preuent, prevent , and the |
saiftie of the com m on weale, w hi ch wch they provide for ~ for: | saiftie of the com m on weale, wch w hi ch they provide for: for ~ |
As for example in the true ballancinge of justice Iustice | As for example in the true ballancinge of Iustice justice |
yt is a flatt aflatt wronge to punishe the thought or purpose | yt is aflatt a flatt wronge to punishe the thought or purpose |
of any before yt haue bee enacted : ffor enacted: For true justice Iustice | of any before yt haue bee enacted: For enacted : ffor true Iustice justice |
punisheth nothinge but the ^ evill euill acte or wicked worde, yet | punisheth nothinge but the euill ^ evill acte or wicked worde, yet |
by the lawes of all kingdomes yt is a Capytall | by the lawes of all kingdomes yt is a Capytall |
cryme to devise or purpose the death of the Kinge: | cryme to devise or purpose the death of the Kinge: |
The reason is ^ for that when such a purpose is effected it | The reason is ^ for that when such a purpose is effected it |
should be bee to late to devise of the punishm en t thereof thereof, and | should bee be to late to devise of the punishm en t thereof, thereof and |
should turne that Com m on weale to more hurte by | should turne that Com m on weale to more hurte by |
such losse of their Prince , theire Prince, then such punishm en t of the | such losse of theire Prince, their Prince , then such punishm en t of the |
malefactors, and therefore the lawe in that case | malefactors, and therefore the lawe in that case |
punisheth his thought : ffor thought: For better is a mischeif then an | punisheth his thought: For thought : ffor better is a mischeif then an |
inconvenience, So that jus Ius Polliciu m , though yt bee | inconvenience, So that Ius jus Polliciu m , though yt bee |
not of yt self just : Iust: yet by applycac i on or rather | not of yt self Iust: just : yet by applycac i on or rather |
necessitie , necessitie, is made iust , iust, and this onelye respecte | necessitie, necessitie , is made iust, iust , and this onelye respecte |
maketh all lawe iust: iust:, Now then if those lawes of | maketh all lawe iust:, iust: Now then if those lawes of |
Ireland be not lykewise , applyed and fytted for | of Ireland be not lykewise , applyed and fytted for |
that realme they are sure verye inconvenient inconvenient.. | that realme they are sure verye inconvenient.. inconvenient |
Eudox : Eudox: Yow | Eudox: Eudox : Yow |
Folio 14r | Folio 14r |
14 Eudox : Yow reason strongelie but what vnfytnes do yow fynde | Eudox : Yow reason strongelie but what vnfytnes do yow fynde 14 |
Eudox : Yow reason stronglie but what vnfytnes doe yow fynde in them for that realme, shew vs some p ar ticulers: | in them for that realme, shew vs some p ar ticulers: Eudox : Yow reason stronglie but what vnfytnes doe yow fynde |
in them for Ire The Comon lawe appointeth that realme , show vs some p ar ticulers : all tryalls as well | Ire The Comon lawe appointeth in them for that all tryalls as well realme , show vs some p ar ticulers : |
Ire The Comon lawe appointeth that all tryalles aswell of Crymes as tytles and rightes shalbe made by | of Crymes as tytles and rightes shalbe made by Ire The Comon lawe appointeth that all tryalles aswell |
of Crymes as tytles uerdicte of Iurye chosen out of the honestist and rights shalbe made by | uerdicte of Iurye chosen out of the honestist of Crymes as tytles and rights shalbe made by |
verdicte of Iurye , chosen out of most substancyall freholders: Now all the honestist and Freholders | most substancyall freholders: Now all verdicte of Iurye , chosen out of the Freholders honestist and |
most substancyall freholders now all of that realme are Irishe, wch when the ffreholders cause shall | of that realme are Irishe, wch when most substancyall freholders now all the cause shall ffreholders |
of that realme are fall betwene an Irishe , w hi ch when the cause shall man and an Englishe, or –- | fall betwene an of that realme are Irishe man and an Englishe, or –- , w hi ch when the cause shall |
betwene an Irishe man the Quene and an Englishe, or ~~ any Freholder of that | fall betwene the Quene an Irishe man and any Freholder of that an Englishe, or ~~ |
betwene the Quene and any ffreholder of Countie, that make noe more scruple to passe against | Countie, betwene the Quene and any ffreholder of that make noe more scruple to passe against |
Countie , that make noe more scruple the Inglishe man or the Quene, though yt bee to passe against | the Inglishe man or the Quene, though yt bee Countie , that make noe more scruple to passe against |
the Inglishe man or the Quene , though yt bee strayne theire oathes, then to drincke mylke vnstrayned, | strayne theire oathes, then the Inglishe man or the Quene , though yt bee to drincke mylke vnstrayned, |
strayne their oathes , then to drincke mylke vnstrayned so that before the Iurye goe togeather it is althinge | so that before the Iurye goe togeather it is althinge strayne their oathes , then to drincke mylke vnstrayned |
so that before to nothinge what theire verdicte wilbe, the Iurye goe togeather it is al thinge | to nothinge what theire verdicte wilbe, so that before the Iurye goe togeather it is al thinge |
to nothinge what their verdicte wilbe , the tryall thereof haue I so often se e ne, that I dare | tryall thereof haue I so often se e ne, that I dare to nothinge what their verdicte wilbe , the |
tryall thereof haue I so often se.e n , that j dare confydentelie avouch the abuse thereof: yett is the | confydentelie avouch the abuse thereof: yett is the tryall thereof haue I so often se.e n , that j dare |
confydentelie avouch the abuse thereof yett is the lawe of yt self (as I said good) and the first –- | lawe of yt self (as I said good) and the first –- confydentelie avouch the abuse thereof yett is the |
lawe of yt self (as I said good) and the first ~~ | lawe of yt self (as I said good) and the first ~~ |
instytution thereof beinge gyven to all Inglishmen | instytution thereof beinge gyven to all Inglishmen |
whoe are verie rightfull , rightfull, but now that the Irishe | whoe are verie rightfull, rightfull , but now that the Irishe |
haue stepped into the rowmes of the Englishe , Englishe, whoe | haue stepped into the rowmes of the Englishe, Englishe , whoe |
are nowe become so hedefull and p ro vidente to kepe | are nowe become so hedefull and p ro vidente to kepe |
them forth from henceforth , hence forth, that they make noe | them forth from hence forth, henceforth , that they make noe |
scruple of conscience consience to passe against them . them, It is | scruple of consience conscience to passe against them, them . It is |
good reason that either eyther that course of the lawe | good reason that eyther either that course of the lawe |
for tryalls bee altred altered or other p ro vision for juries Iuries | for tryalls bee altered altred or other p ro vision for Iuries juries |
bee made made: | bee made: made |
Eudox : In sooth Irenius yow haue discou er ed a pointe apointe worth the | Eudox : In sooth Irenius yow haue discou er ed apointe a pointe worth the |
Consideracon for hereby not onelye the Englishe subiect | Consideracon for hereby not onelye the Englishe subiect |
fyndeth noe indifferencie in decydinge of his cause | fyndeth noe indifferencie in decydinge of his cause |
be yt neu er so just Iust: but also the Quene aswell as well in | be yt neu er so Iust: just but also the Quene as well aswell in |
all pleas of the Crowne , Crowne, as also for all inquiries | all pleas of the Crowne, Crowne , as also for all inquiries |
for excheat landes attainted wardshipps , wardshipps, Concealm en tes , | for excheat landes attainted wardshipps, wardshipps , Concealm en tes , |
and all such lyke is abused , abused, and that excedingelie | and all such lyke is abused, abused , and that excedingelie |
endamaged:: | endamaged:: |
I ren : yee | I ren : yee |
Folio 14v | Folio 14v |
Iren: | Iren: |
Iren: Iren : Yee saye verie trewe trewe: for I dare vndertake that at | Iren Iren: Yee saye verie trewe: trewe : for I dare vndertake that at |
this daye , daye, there are more attainted landes concealed from | this daye, daye , there are more attainted landes concealed from |
her ma jes tie , then shee now hath possessions in all Ireland and | her ma jes tie , then shee now hath possessions in all Ireland and |
that its that is noe small inconvenience : ffor inconvenience: For besydes that shee | that is that its noe small inconvenience: For inconvenience : ffor besydes that shee |
looseth so much land as should turne her to greate profytte , great profytte, | looseth so much land as should turne her to great profytte, greate profytte , |
shee besydes looses looseth so manye good subiects w hi ch subiectes wch might bee | shee besydes looseth looses so manye good subiectes wch subiects w hi ch might bee |
assured to her . her, as those landes would yeild inhabytantes | assured to her, her . as those landes would yeild inhabytantes |
and lyvinge vnto | and lyvinge vnto |
Eudox: Eudox : But does that people saye you yow: make noe more consience | Eudox : Eudox: But does that people saye yow: you make noe more consience |
to p er iure them selues in theire verdictes and to da m m there dam n theire | to p er iure them selues in theire verdictes and to dam n theire da m m there |
soules : soules-: | soules-: soules : |
Iren: Iren : Not onelye so in theire verdictes but also in all other theire | Iren : Iren: Not onelye so in theire verdictes but also in all other theire |
dealinges , dealinges, speciallye w i th wth the Englishe they are most | dealinges, dealinges , speciallye wth w i th the Englishe they are most |
wilfullye bente , bente, for theough though they will not seeme manifest | wilfullye bente, bente , for though theough they will not seeme manifest |
lye to do yt , doe yt, yett will seme some one or other subtill headed | lye to doe yt, do yt , yett will some seme one or other subtill headed |
fellowe amongst them picke some quirke quirke, or devise some | fellowe amongst them picke some quirke, quirke or devise some |
subtill evasion , evasion, whereof the rest will lightlie take holde | subtill evasion, evasion , whereof the rest will lightlie take holde |
of of, and suffer them selues easelye to bee ledd by him to that | of, of and suffer them selues easelye to bee ledd by him to that |
themselues desyred . ffor them selues desyred: For in the most apparente apparante matter | them selues desyred: For themselues desyred . ffor in the most apparante apparente matter |
that may bee bee, the least question or doubte that can bee | that may bee, bee the least question or doubte that can bee |
moved will make stopp vnto them , them, and putt them | moved will make stopp vnto them, them , and putt them |
quite oute of the waye . waye: Besydes that of them selues they | quite oute of the waye: waye . Besydes that of them selues they |
are for the most p ar te , te, so cautelous and wylie headed | are for the most p ar te, te , so cautelous and wylie headed |
especiallye beinge men of so small experience and | especiallye beinge men of so small experience and |
practize in lawe matters , matters, that yow would wounder | practize in lawe matters, matters , that yow would wounder |
whence they borrowed such subtilties and slye shiftes shiftes: | whence they borrowed such subtilties and slye shiftes: shiftes |
Eudox: But: Eudox : But mee thincke thinckes this inconvenience might be much | Eudox : But Eudox: But: mee thinckes thincke this inconvenience might be much |
holped in the judges Iudges and cheif maiestrates w hi ch wch haue | holped in the Iudges judges and cheif maiestrates wch w hi ch haue |
the chusinge and nominatinge of those Iurors yf | the chusinge and nominatinge of those Iurors yf |
they would haue Care to appointe eyther most English | they would haue Care to appointe eyther most English |
men or such Irish men as were of the soundest disposi | men or such Irish men as were of the soundest disposi |
tion , tion, for noe doubte but some there bee incorruptable | tion, tion , for noe doubte but some there bee incorruptable |
Iren: Some | Iren: Some |
Folio 15r | Folio 15r |
15 Iren : Some sum m e there bee in deed, as yow saye: But then | Iren : Some sum m e there bee in deed, as yow saye: But then 15 |
Iren: Some sum m e there bee in deed, as yow saye: But then | Iren: Some sum m e there bee in deed, as yow saye: But then |
would the Irishe p ar tye Crye out of p ar ciallitye , and ~~ Complaine he hath not Iustice, he is not vsed as a | Complaine he hath not Iustice, he is not vsed as a would the Irishe p ar tye Crye out of p ar ciallitye , and ~~ |
Complaine he hath not Iustice , subiect, he is not vsed as a suffered to haue the free benyfitte | subiect, Complaine he hath not Iustice , he is not suffered to haue the free benyfitte vsed as a |
subiect , he is not suffered to haue the free benyfitte of the lawe; And these out cryes the maiestrate there | of the lawe; And these out cryes the maiestrate there subiect , he is not suffered to haue the free benyfitte |
of the lawe , And these outcryes the maiestrate there doe much shvne, as they haue cause, since they are – | doe much shvne, as they haue cause, since they are – of the lawe , And these outcryes the maiestrate there |
doe much shvnne , as they haue cause , since they are so ryddelie harkened vnto here, Neyther can yt indeede | so ryddelie harkened vnto here, Neyther can yt indeede doe much shvnne , as they haue cause , since they are |
although the Irishe p ar te would be contente, to bee so ryddelie harkened vnto here , Neyther can yt indeed – | so – ryddelie harkened vnto here , Neyther can yt indeed |
alththough the Irishe p ar te would be contente , to bee so compassed, that such Englishe free holders wch are | compassed, that such Englishe free holders wch are alththough the Irishe p ar te would be contente , to bee so |
compassed , that but fewe, and such Englishe free holders w hi ch faithfull Irish men wch are | but fewe, and compassed , that such faithfull Irish men wch Englishe free holders w hi ch are |
but fewe , and such faithfull Irish men w hi ch are indeed as fewe, shall alwaies be chosen for tryalls: | indeed as fewe, shall alwaies be chosen for tryalls: but fewe , and such faithfull Irish men w hi ch are |
indeed as For beinge so fewe , shall alwaies they should soone be chosen for tryalls : made wearie | For beinge so indeed as fewe they should soone , shall alwaies be made wearie chosen for tryalls : |
ffor beinge so fewe they should soone be made wearie of theire Frehould, and therefore a good care is to bee | of theire Frehould, and therefore a good care is to bee ffor beinge so fewe they should soone be made wearie |
of had by all good care is occasyons, to bee encrease theire ffrehould , and there fore a nomber, | had by all of theire nomber, ffrehould , and there fore a good occasyons, care is to encrease bee |
hadd and to encrease theire no m mber plante more by all good occasyons them, But were yt so that | and hadd by them, But were yt so that all good occasyons to plante more encrease theire no m mber |
and to plante more by them . But were yt so that | and to plante more by them . But were yt so that |
the Iuries could bee picked out of such choyce men as | the Iuries could bee picked out of such choyce men as |
yee desyre desyre, there would nevertheles bee as badd ~~ -– | yee desyre, desyre there would nevertheles bee as badd -– ~~ |
corruption in the tryall , ffor tryall; For the evydence beinge | corruption in the tryall; For tryall , ffor the evydence beinge |
brought in by the base Irishe people wilbe as deceit deceyt | brought in by the base Irishe people wilbe as deceyt deceit |
full as the verdictes : ffor verdictes: For they care much lesse then | full as the verdictes: For verdictes : ffor they care much lesse then |
then the others , others, what they sweare , sweare, and sure theire | then the others, others , what they sweare, sweare , and sure theire |
Lordes maye Compell them to sweare saye any - any- | Lordes maye Compell them to sweare saye any- any - |
thinge . ffor thinge: For my self haue heard, when one of that | thinge: For thinge . ffor my self haue heard, when one of that |
base sorte w hi ch wch they call Churles Churles, beinge challenged | base sorte wch w hi ch they call Churles, Churles beinge challenged |
and reproved for his falce oath , oath, haue answered | and reproved for his falce oath, oath , haue answered |
confydentlye confydentlye, that his lord Lord com m aunded.. him , aunded him, and | confydentlye, confydentlye that his Lord lord com m aunded him, aunded.. him , and |
that yt was the least thinge he could doe for | that yt was the least thinge he could doe for |
his lord Lord to sweare for him , him, So inconsyonable | his Lord lord to sweare for him, him , So inconsyonable |
are these Comon people Com m on people, and so lyttle felinge haue | are these Com m on people, Comon people and so lyttle felinge haue |
they of god or theire owne soules good good. | they of god or theire owne soules good. good |
Eudox : It is a most miserable case , case, but what helpe the n | Eudox : It is a most miserable case, case , but what helpe the n |
can there bee in this ffor this, For though they the mann er of the tryall | can there bee in this, For this ffor though the they mann er of the tryall |
should be altered, yet they the proof of everie thinge must | should be altered, yet the they proof of everie thinge must |
needes bee by testymonies of such p er sons as the p ar ties | needes bee by testymonies of such p er sons as the p ar ties |
shall p ro duce | shall p ro duce |
Folio 15v | Folio 15v |
shall produce , w hi ch shall produce, wch yf they shall crrupte , corrupte, how can there | shall produce, wch shall produce , w hi ch yf they shall corrupte, crrupte , how can there |
any lighte of truthe appeare , appeare, what remedye is their theire | any lighte of truthe appeare, appeare , what remedye is theire their |
for this evill , evill, but to make heavye lawes and penne pennal | for this evill, evill , but to make heavye lawes and pennal penne |
tyes against p er iurors :: iurors:: | tyes against p er iurors:: iurors :: |
Iren: Iren : I thincke sure that will doe small good . ffor good: For when | Iren : Iren: I thincke sure that will doe small good: For good . ffor when |
a people as are inclyned to anye vice or haue noe | a people as are inclyned to anye vice or haue noe |
touch of Conscience , Conscience, nor sence of theire evill doing doinge, | touch of Conscience, Conscience , nor sence of theire evill doinge, doing |
yt is bootlesse to thincke to restrayne them by any | yt is bootlesse to thincke to restrayne them by any |
pennalties or feare of punishm en t ; but eyther the occasion | pennalties or feare of punishm en t ; but eyther the occasion |
as is to be taken awaye or a more vnderstandinge of the | is as to be taken awaye or a more vnderstandinge of the |
righte or shame of the faulte is to be imprinted imprinted: | righte or shame of the faulte is to be imprinted: imprinted |
ffor For yf Lycurgus should haue made yt death for the | For ffor yf Lycurgus should haue made yt death for the |
Lacidemonians to steale they beinge a people w hi ch ~ wch –- | Lacidemonians to steale they beinge a people wch –- w hi ch ~ |
naturallye delighted in stealth , or stealth, Or yf yt should be | naturallye delighted in stealth, Or stealth , or yf yt should be |
made a Capytall Cryme for the ffleminges Flem m inges, to be | made a Capytall Cryme for the Flem m inges, ffleminges to be |
taken in drunckennes , drunckennes, there should haue bene fewe | taken in drunckennes, drunckennes , there should haue bene fewe |
Lacedymonians soone lefte, and ffewer fflemminges Fewer Flemminges | Lacedymonians soone lefte, and Fewer Flemminges ffewer fflemminges |
So ympossible yt is to remoue anye faulte so gen er all | So ympossible yt is to remoue anye faulte so gen er all |
in a people w hi ch wth terror of lawes , lawes, or most sharpe restraints restra i ntes | in a people wth w hi ch terror of lawes, lawes , or most sharpe restra i ntes restraints |
semes verie harde | semes verie harde |
Eudox: Eudox : What meanes maye there then bee to avoide | Eudox : Eudox: What meanes maye there then bee to avoide |
this inconvenience . ffor inconvenience: For the cause sure semes verie | this inconvenience: For inconvenience . ffor the cause sure semes verie |
harde : harde:: | harde:: harde : |
Iren: Iren : Wee are not yett come to that pointe to devize | Iren : Iren: Wee are not yett come to that pointe to devize |
remedyes for the evills , evills, but onelye haue now to ~ – | remedyes for the evills, evills , but onelye haue now to – ~ |
recounte them , them, of the w hi ch wch this that I haue tould yow | recounte them, them , of the wch w hi ch this that I haue tould yow |
is one defecte in the Co Com m mon lawe : on lawe: | is one defecte in the Com Co m on lawe: mon lawe : |
Eud: Eud : Tell vs then I praye yow further , further, haue yow any | Eud : Eud: Tell vs then I praye yow further, further , haue yow any |
more of this sarte sorte in the Co Com m mon lawe on lawe: | more of this sorte sarte in the Com Co m on lawe: mon lawe |
Iren: Iren :: By rehearsall of this I remember also of another | Iren :: Iren: By rehearsall of this I remember also of another |
like , w hi ch like, wch I haue often observed in tryalls to haue | like, wch like , w hi ch I haue often observed in tryalls to haue |
wrought great hurte and hinderance , hinderance, and that is the | wrought great hurte and hinderance, hinderance , and that is the |
Exceptions , w hi ch Exceptions, wch the Co Com m mon on lawe alloweth to a fellon | Exceptions, wch Exceptions , w hi ch the Com Co m on mon lawe alloweth to a fellon |
in his tryall : ffor tryall: For he maye haue , as yow you knowe | in his tryall: For tryall : ffor he maye haue , as you yow knowe |
xxxvj xxxxi exceptions p er emptorie, against the jurours Iurours of | xxxxi xxxvj exceptions p er emptorie, against the Iurours jurours of |
w hi ch wch he | wch w hi ch he |
Folio 16r | Folio 16r |
16 wch he shall shewe noe cause, and as manye as he | wch he shall shewe noe cause, and as manye as he 16 |
w hi ch he shall will of such, as he can shewe noe cause , and as manye as he cause, By wch shifte there | will of such, as he can w hi ch he shall shewe cause, By wch shifte there noe cause , and as manye as he |
wil beinge as he can shewe cause , By w hi ch shifte there I haue showed yow such small store of such, honest | beinge wil of honest such, as I haue showed yow such small store he can shewe cause , By w hi ch shifte there |
beinge as I haue showed yow such small score Jurye men, he will eyther putt of honest his tryall, or dryve | Jurye men, he will eyther putt beinge as I haue showed yow such small score of his tryall, or dryve honest |
Iurye yt to such men , he will eyther putt as p er happs are not of his tryall or dryue the soundest sorte: | yt to such Iurye men as p er happs are not , he will eyther putt of the soundest sorte: his tryall or dryue |
yt to such men as p er happs are ^ not of the soundest sorte : | yt to such men as p er happs are ^ not of the soundest sorte : |
By whose meanes yf he can acquite him self of the | By whose meanes yf he can acquite him self of the |
crymes , Cryme, as he is lykelie , lykelie, then will he plague such as | Cryme, crymes , as he is lykelie, lykelie , then will he plague such as |
were broughte first to bee of his Iurie , Iurie, and all such | were broughte first to bee of his Iurie, Iurie , and all such |
as made any p ar tie against him , him, and when he comes | as made any p ar tie against him, him , and when he comes |
forthe will make theire cowes and garrons to walke | forthe will make theire cowes and garrons to walke |
yf he doe noe other mischeif to theire p er sons :~ sons:- | yf he doe noe other mischeif to theire p er sons:- sons :~ |
Eudox: Eudox : This is a slye devise , devise, but I thincke might sone | Eudox : Eudox: This is a slye devise, devise , but I thincke might sone |
bee remedyed , remedyed, but wee must leave yt awhile w i th a while wth the | bee remedyed, remedyed , but wee must leave yt a while wth awhile w i th the |
rest in the meane tyme tyme, doe yow goe forwarde w i th wth others | rest in the meane tyme, tyme doe yow goe forwarde wth w i th others |
Iren: Iren : There another noe lesse inconvenient then this | Iren : Iren: There another noe lesse inconvenient then this |
w hi ch wch is for the tryall of accessaries to felonye : felonye: | wch w hi ch is for the tryall of accessaries to felonye: felonye : |
ffor For by the comon com m on lawe the accessarie cannot be p ro ceeded | For ffor by the com m on comon lawe the accessarie cannot be p ro ceeded |
against till the principall haue receyved his tryall tryall:, | against till the principall haue receyved his tryall:, tryall |
Now the case often falleth in Ireland that a stealth | Now the case often falleth in Ireland that a stealth |
beinge made by al af a rebbell or an owtlawe the stollen | beinge made by af al a rebbell or an owtlawe the stollen |
goodes are conveyed to some husbandman or gent , w hi ch ~ | goodes are conveyed to some husbandman or gent , w hi ch ~ |
hath well to take to , to, and yett lyveth most by the recepte | hath well to take to, to , and yett lyveth most by the recepte |
of such stealthes , stealthes, where they are founde by the | of such stealthes, stealthes , where they are founde by the |
owner and handled , handled, wherevpon the p ar tie p er happs | owner and handled, handled , wherevpon the p ar tie p er happs |
is app re hended and comitted to gaole , gaole, or putt vpon | is app re hended and comitted to gaole, gaole , or putt vpon |
suerties till the Sessions , Sessions, at w hi ch the p ar tie wch the ptie owner | suerties till the Sessions, Sessions , at wch the ptie w hi ch the p ar tie owner |
p re ferringe a byll of Indyc Indy c tem en t proveth proueth suffyciente the | p re ferringe a byll of Indy c Indyc tem en t proueth proveth suffyciente the |
stealthe stea l the to haue bene comitted com m itted vpon him by such an | stea l the stealthe to haue bene com m itted comitted vpon him by such an |
owtlawe and to haue bene founde in the possession of | owtlawe and to haue bene founde in the possession of |
the p ri soner against whom neverthelesse noe cause | the p ri soner against whom neverthelesse noe cause |
of lawe can proceed nor tryall can bee hadd , hadd, for | of lawe can proceed nor tryall can bee hadd, hadd , for |
that the princypall theif is not to be gotten , not gotten, not | that the princypall theif is not to be gotten, not gotten , not |
w i th wth standinge that he lykewise standeth p er happs | wth w i th standinge that he lykewise standeth p er happs |
indicted at once w i th wth the receyvor beinge in rebellyo n | indicted at once wth w i th the receyvor beinge in rebellyo n |
or in the woodes , woodes, where p er adventure he is slaine | or in the woodes, woodes , where p er adventure he is slaine |
before he: | before he: |
Folio 16v | Folio 16v |
is taken , taken, and soe the receyver receyvor cleane acquyted and disch | is taken, taken , and soe the receyvor receyver cleane acquyted and disch |
arged of the cryme , Cryme, By w hi ch wch meanes the theeves | arged of the Cryme, cryme , By wch w hi ch meanes the theeves |
are greatlye encurraged to steale , steale, and theire main | are greatlye encurraged to steale, steale , and theire main |
tayners imboldned to receyve theire stealthes , stealthes, knowing | tayners imboldned to receyve theire stealthes, stealthes , knowing |
how hardlie yt they can be brought to any tryall of | how hardlie yt they can be brought to any tryall of |
lawe : ~~ lawe:-- | lawe:-- lawe : ~~ |
Eudox: Eudox : Trulie this is agreat inconvenience and a | Eudox : Eudox: Trulie this is agreat inconvenience and a |
greate cause as yow saye of the mainteynance of theves theves, | greate cause as yow saye of the mainteynance of theves, theves |
knowinge theire receyvors alwayes readye :: ffor readye: For would | knowinge theire receyvors alwayes readye: For readye :: ffor would |
there bee noe receyvors , there bee noe receyvors, there would be bee noe theves | there bee noe receyvors, there bee noe receyvors , there would bee be noe theves |
But this mee semes might easelye bee p ro vyded for | But this mee semes might easelye bee p ro vyded for |
by some arte acte of p ar lamente , lamente, that the receyvor beinge | by some acte arte of p ar lamente, lamente , that the receyvor beinge |
convicted by good proofes proofes, might receyve his tryall | convicted by good proofes, proofes might receyve his tryall |
w i thout wthout the princypall : princypall: | wthout w i thout the princypall: princypall : |
Iren: Iren : Yow saye verie trewe Eudoxus, Eudoxus , but that is almost almoste | Iren : Iren: Yow saye verie trewe Eudoxus , Eudoxus, but that is almoste almost |
ympossible to be conquered compassed , compassed, And herein | ympossible to be conquered compassed, compassed , And herein |
also yow discou er another imp er fection in the course of | also yow discou er another imp er fection in the course of |
the com m on lawe lawe, and first ordynance of the realme realme: | the com m on lawe, lawe and first ordynance of the realme: realme |
ffor For yee knowe that the said p ar lament must | For ffor yee knowe that the said p ar lament must |
consiste of the Peeres Gentlemen , ffreholders Peeres. Gentlemen, Freholders | consiste of the Peeres. Gentlemen, Freholders Peeres Gentlemen , ffreholders |
and Burgesses of that realme yt self. Now | and Burgesses of that realme yt self. Now |
these being beinge p er happs them selues or the most p ar te | these beinge being p er happs them selues or the most p ar te |
of them (as maye seme by theire stryffe w i th standing styffe wthstanding | of them (as maye seme by theire styffe wthstanding stryffe w i th standing |
this acte) culpable of thys cryme , Cryme, or favorers of | of this acte) culpable of thys Cryme, cryme , or favorers of |
theire freindes w hi ch wch are such by whom theire kytchins | theire freindes wch w hi ch are such by whom theire kytchins |
are sometymes amendid , amendid, will not suffer any such | are sometymes amendid, amendid , will not suffer any such |
statute to passe , yett passe, yet hath yt oftentymes beene bene | statute to passe, yet passe , yett hath yt oftentymes bene beene |
attempted , attempted, and in the tyme of Sr S r John Parott verie | attempted, attempted , and in the tyme of S r Sr John Parott verie |
earnestlie I remember labored , labored, but by noe meanes | earnestlie I remember labored, labored , but by noe meanes |
could bee effected , effected, And not onelye this but many | could bee effected, effected , And not onelye this but many |
other lyke w hi ch wch are as needfull need full for the reformac i on | other lyke wch w hi ch are as need full needfull for the reformac i on |
of that realme : realme: | of that realme: realme : |
Eudox: Eudox : This also is surelie agreate ... defect agre defecte but we | Eudox : Eudox: This also is surelie agreate agre defecte ... defect but we |
maye not talke yow saye saye, of the redressing of | maye not talke yow saye, saye of the redressing of |
of this vntill | of this vntill |
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17 of this, vntill our seconde p ar te come, wch is | of this, vntill our seconde p ar te come, wch is 17 |
of this , vntill our seconde purposelye appointed therevnto, Therefore p ar te come , w hi ch is ro ceed | purposelye appointed therevnto, Therefore of this , vntill our seconde p ro ceed ar te come , w hi ch is |
purposelye appointed therevnto , Therefore p ro ceed | purposelye appointed therevnto , Therefore p ro ceed |
to the recountinge of moe such evills yf at such least | to the recountinge of moe such evills yf at such least |
yow haue anye more : more: | yow haue anye more: more : |
Iren: Iren : There is also a greate inconvenience , w hi ch agreate inconvenience, wch hath | Iren : Iren: There is also agreate inconvenience, wch a greate inconvenience , w hi ch hath |
wrought great damadge both to her ma m a jes te t i e , and to that | wrought great damadge both to her m a ma jes t i e te , and to that |
Com m on wealth , wealth, through close and coullorable ~~ - - | Com m on wealth, wealth , through close and coullorable - - ~~ |
conveyances of the landes and goodes of traytors ~~ Traytors - - | conveyances of the landes and goodes of Traytors - - traytors ~~ |
ffellows, Fellons, and fugytiues as when one of them myndeth | Fellons, ffellows, and fugytiues as when one of them myndeth |
to goe into rebellyon , rebellyon, he will convey awaye all | to goe into rebellyon, rebellyon , he will convey awaye all |
his landes ^ & .. ordshippes lordshipps to ffeoffes Feoffes in trust whereby | his landes ^ & lordshipps .. ordshippes to Feoffes ffeoffes in trust whereby |
he reserveth to him self but a state for terme of | he reserveth to him self but a state for terme of |
lyfe w hi ch wch beinge determined, determined,, eyther by the sword | lyfe wch w hi ch beinge determined,, determined, eyther by the sword |
or by the haulter , haulter, theire land streight commeth to | or by the haulter, haulter , theire land streight commeth to |
the heire , the heire, and the quene is defrauded of the intent | the heire, the heire , and the quene is defrauded of the intent |
of the lawe , w hi ch lawe, wch layde that grevous punishm en t vpo n | of the lawe, wch lawe , w hi ch layde that grevous punishm en t vpo n |
Traytors to forfeite all theire lande landes to the Prince | Traytors to forfeite all theire landes lande to the Prince |
to the end that men might bee the rather terrefyed | to the end that men might bee the rather terrefyed |
from Comittinge Treasons . ffor Treasons. For manye w hi ch wch would | from Comittinge Treasons. For Treasons . ffor manye wch w hi ch would |
lyttle esteme of theire owne lyves , lyves, yett for | lyttle esteme of theire owne lyves, lyves , yett for |
remorse of theire wyves and children should bee . | remorse of theire wyves and children should bee . |
w hi ch wth hold from that haynous Cryme , Cryme, This appeared appeard | wth w hi ch hold from that haynous Cryme, Cryme , This appeard appeared |
plainelye in the late Earle of Desmound , Desmound, for | plainelye in the late Earle of Desmound, Desmound , for |
before his breakinge forthe into open rebellyon , | before his breakinge forthe into open rebellyon , |
he had conveyed secretlye all his landes to ffeoffes Feoffes | he had conveyed secretlye all his landes to Feoffes ffeoffes |
of trust , of trust, in hope to haue her Cutt of her ma jest ie ~ jes tie – | of trust, of trust , in hope to haue her Cutt of her ma jes tie – jest ie ~ |
from the escheate of his landes landes: | from the escheate of his landes: landes |
Eudox: Yea Eudox : ffor Yea: but that was well ynough avoyded avoyded: For | Eudox Eudox: Yea but that was well ynough avoyded: For avoyded : Yea: ffor |
the Acte of p ar lament w hi ch wch gaue all his landes | the Acte of p ar lament wch w hi ch gaue all his landes |
to the Quene did Quene, (did as I haue hard cutt of and | to the Quene, (did Quene did as I haue hard cutt of and |
frustrate all such Conveyances as had any tyme | frustrate all such Conveyances as had any tyme |
by the space of xij yeares before his rebellion | by the space of xij yeares before his rebellion |
bene made w i thin wth in the Compasse whereof that | bene made wth in w i thin the Compasse whereof that |
ffraudulent Fraudulent | Fraudulent ffraudulent |
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fraudulente feoffm en t and manye other the lyke of his | fraudulente feoffm en t and manye other the lyke of his |
accomplisshes accomplisses and fellowe traytors were contayned | accomplisses accomplisshes and fellowe traytors were contayned |
Iren: Iren : verye trewe , trewe, but how hardlye that Acte of | Iren : Iren: verye trewe, trewe , but how hardlye that Acte of |
Parlamente was wrounge out of them , them, I can wytnes wytnes, | Parlamente was wrounge out of them, them , I can wytnes, wytnes |
and were yt to be ^ com passed . passed: But were yt so that | and were yt to be ^ com passed: passed . But were yt so that |
such Acte Actes might easelye be brought to passe ~~ - - | such Actes Acte might easelye be brought to passe - - ~~ |
against traitors and felons , felons, yet were yt not an | against traitors and felons, felons , yet were yt not an |
endlesse trouble that noe traytor nor fellon | endlesse trouble that noe traytor nor fellon |
should be attainted , attainted, But a p ar lament should must | should be attainted, attainted , But a p ar lament should must |
be bee called for bringinge his landes to the Quene Quene, | bee be called for bringinge his landes to the Quene, Quene |
w hi ch wch the Com m on lawe gyveth her | wch w hi ch the Com m on lawe gyveth her |
Eudox: Eudox : Then this is noe faulte of the com m on lawe , lawe, | Eudox : Eudox: Then this is noe faulte of the com m on lawe, lawe , |
but of the p er sons w hi ch wch worke this fraude to her ma jest ie jes tie - | but of the p er sons wch w hi ch worke this fraude to her ma jes tie - jest ie |
Iren: Yes Iren : yes marye for the com m on lawe hath left them , | Iren : yes Iren: Yes marye for the com m on lawe hath left them , |
this benyfitte , benyfitte, whereof they make advantage, advantaige, | this benyfitte, benyfitte , whereof they make advantaige, advantage, |
and wrest yt to theire bad purposes . purposes. So as they | and wrest yt to theire bad purposes. purposes . So as they |
are thereby the bolder to enter into evill accon, | are thereby the bolder to enter into evill accon, |
knowinge that yf the worste befall them, they | knowinge that yf the worste befall them, they |
shall loose nothinge but them selues whereof ~~ – - | shall loose nothinge but them selues whereof – - ~~ |
they seme surelye verye carelesse , carelesse, lyke as | they seme surelye verye carelesse, carelesse , lyke as |
all barborous people are , are, verye fearelesse of | all barborous people are, are , verye fearelesse of |
deathe : deathe: | deathe: deathe : |
Eudox: Eudox : But what meane yow of fugytiues here in or | Eudox : Eudox: But what meane yow of fugytiues here in or |
how doth this concerne them : them: | how doth this concerne them: them : |
Iren: Yes Iren : yes verelye greatelye greatlye: ffor For yee shall | Iren : yes Iren: Yes verelye greatelye greatlye: For ffor yee shall |
vnderstande that there be manye yll disposed and ~ – | vnderstande that there be manye yll disposed and – ~ |
vndewtyfall vndewtyfull p er sons of that realme , realme, lyke as in this pointe, | vndewtyfull vndewtyfall p er sons of that realme, realme , lyke as in this pointe, |
there are also in the realme of England for too manye w hi ch wch | there are also in the realme of England too for manye wch w hi ch |
being beinge men of good inheritance are for the p re sent gover n m goverm en t | beinge being men of good inheritance are for the p re sent goverm gover n m en t |
fledd beyonde the seas , seas, where they lyve vnder princes Princes | fledd beyonde the seas, seas , where they lyve vnder Princes princes |
that are here her ma jes ties professed Enymies and converse and Enymies, and converse, and | that are her here ma jes ties professed Enymies, and converse, and Enymies and converse and |
are confydderate w i th wth other trators and fugitiues w hi ch are wch are | are confydderate wth w i th other trators and fugitiues wch are w hi ch are |
theire abydinge , abydinge, The w hi ch neverthelesse , wch neverthelesse, haue the | theire abydinge, abydinge , The wch neverthelesse, w hi ch neverthelesse , haue the |
benyfit benyfites | benyfites benyfit |
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18 benefyte and profites of theire landes here, by p re tence of such coullo | benefyte and profites of theire landes here, by p re tence of such coullo 18 |
benefyte and profite of rable conveyances thereof form er lie made by them to theire landes here p re sence of such coullo ri vie | rable conveyances thereof form er lie made benefyte and profite of theire landes here by them to p ri vie re sence of such coullo |
rable conveyances thereof form er lie made by frindes here in trust, who secretlie send over vnto them to their p ri vie the | frindes here in trust, who secretlie send over vnto rable conveyances thereof form er lie made by them the to their p ri vie |
frindes here in trust , who secretlie send over vnto them the said revenewes, where wth they are thence maintayned and | said revenewes, where wth they are thence maintayned and frindes here in trust , who secretlie send over vnto them the |
said revenewes, where w i th they are theire maintayned and enhabled against her ma jes tie : | enhabled against her ma jes tie : said revenewes, where w i th they are theire maintayned and |
enhabled against her ma jes tie Eudox : ~ I doe not thincke that there be any such fugytiues, wch are | Eudox enhabled against her ma jes tie : I doe not thincke that there be any such fugytiues, wch are ~ |
Eudox: I doe not thincke that there be any such fugytiues, w hi ch are releived by the profite of theire landes in England: For | releived by the profite of theire landes in England: For Eudox: I doe not thincke that there be any such fugytiues, w hi ch are |
theire landes in England: ffor is a straighter order taken: And yf there be any | releived by the profite of theire is a straighter order taken: And yf there be any landes in England: ffor |
theire is a straighter order taken : And yf there be any | theire is a straighter order taken : And yf there be any |
such in Ireland, yt were good that yt were lykewise loked | such in Ireland, yt were good that yt were lykewise loked |
vnto : ffor vnto: For this evill maye easelye be remedyed: But | vnto: For vnto : ffor this evill maye easelye be remedyed: But |
p ro ceed : ceed: | p ro ceed: ceed : |
Iren: Iren : yt is also inconvenient in the realme of Ireland that | Iren : Iren: yt is also inconvenient in the realme of Ireland that |
the wardes , wardes, and marriages of gentlemens Children , ~ Children,- | the wardes, wardes , and marriages of gentlemens Children,- Children , ~ |
should bee in the disposition of these any of these Irishe | should bee in the disposition of these any of these Irishe |
lordes Lordes as now they are , are, by reason that theire landes are helde | Lordes lordes as now they are, are , by reason that theire landes are helde |
by knightes service of those lordes Lordes as now they By w hi ch wch | by knightes service of those Lordes lordes as now they By wch w hi ch |
meanes yt com m eth to passe , passe, that those said Gentlemens ~~ - - | meanes yt com m eth to passe, passe , that those said Gentlemens - - ~~ |
children beinge thus in the warde of those lordes , Lordes, are | children beinge thus in the warde of those Lordes, lordes , are |
not onelye thereby brought vpp lewdlie and Irishe | not onelye thereby brought vpp lewdlie and Irishe |
lyke lyke, but also for eu er ^ after so bounden to theire servyces . servyces, as that they | lyke, lyke but also for eu er ^ after so bounden to theire servyces, servyces . as that they |
will run w i th wth them into any disloyall action: a c OB tion: | will run wth w i th them into any disloyall a c OB tion: action: |
Eudox: Eudox : This grevance Irenius, is also complayned of in | Eudox : Eudox: This grevance Irenius, is also complayned of in |
England, but how can yt bee remedyed , remedyed, since the service must | England, but how can yt bee remedyed, remedyed , since the service must |
followe the tennor of the Landes , Landes, and the landes were | followe the tennor of the Landes, Landes , and the landes were |
gyven awaye by the kinges Kinges of England to those Lordes | gyven awaye by the Kinges kinges of England to those Lordes |
when they first conquered that realme . realme. And to saye | when they first conquered that realme. realme . And to saye |
truth this also would bee some p re iudice to the Prince in | truth this also would bee some p re iudice to the Prince in |
the wardshipp : her wardshipp: | her wardshipp: the wardshipp : |
Iren: Iren : I doe not meane this by the Princes ward , ward, but by | Iren : Iren: I doe not meane this by the Princes ward, ward , but by |
such as fall into the hands handes of the Irishe Lordes Lordes. for I could | such as fall into the handes hands of the Irishe Lordes. Lordes for I could |
wishe and this I would enforce that all those wardshippes wardshipps were | wishe and this I would enforce that all those wardshipps wardshippes were |
in the princes disposition . disposition, for then yt might be hoped that | in the princes disposition, disposition . for then yt might be hoped that |
she for the vniu univ er sall reformacion of that realme would | she for the univ vniu er sall reformacion of that realme would |
take better order for the bringing vpp of those wardshippes ward s shipps | take better order for the bringing vpp of those ward s shipps wardshippes |
in good Nourture , Nourture, and not suffer them to come into so badd | in good Nourture, Nourture , and not suffer them to come into so badd |
handes, And though these those thinges bee alreadie passed A- A | handes, And though those these thinges bee alreadie passed A A- |
waye by | waye by |
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her p ro gennytors form er grantes , grantes, vnto those said Lordes , Lordes, yet I could fynde awaye a | her p ro gennytors form er grantes, grantes , vnto those said Lordes, Lordes , yet I could fynde a awaye |
to remedye a greate p ar te thereof , as here after when fytt tyme . waye | waye to remedye a greate p ar te thereof , as here after when fytt tyme . |
serveth shall appeare . And since wee are entred into speach of to remedye a greate p ar te thereof, as hereafter when fytt tyme | to remedye a greate p ar te thereof, as hereafter when fytt tyme serveth shall appeare . And since wee are entred into speach of |
such grantes of form er Princes to soundrye p er sons of that realme serveth shall appeare. And since wee are entred into speach of | serveth shall appeare. And since wee are entred into speach of such grantes of form er Princes to soundrye p er sons of that realme |
of Ireland , I will mention vnto yow some other of lyke nature such grantes of form er Princes to soundrye p er sons of that realme | such grantes of form er Princes to soundrye p er sons of that realme of Ireland , I will mention vnto yow some other of lyke nature |
to this and of like inconvenience , by w hi ch the kinge of England of Ireland, I will mention vnto yow some other of lyke nature | of Ireland, I will mention vnto yow some other of lyke nature to this and of like inconvenience , by w hi ch the kinge of England |
passed vnto them a greate p ar te of theire p re rogatiue , w hi ch though then to this and of like inconvenience, by wch the kinges of England | to this and of like inconvenience, by wch the kinges of England passed vnto them a greate p ar te of theire p re rogatiue , w hi ch though then |
passed vnto them a greate p ar te of theire p re rogatiue, wch though then | passed vnto them a greate p ar te of theire p re rogatiue, wch though then |
yt were well intended and p er happs well deserved of them | yt were well intended and p er happs well deserved of them |
w hi ch wch receaved the same , same, yett now such a gapp of mischeif lyeth | wch w hi ch receaved the same, same , yett now such a gapp of mischeif lyeth |
open thereby , thereby, as I could wishe weare stopped, of this sorte and are | open thereby, thereby , as I could wishe weare stopped, of this sorte are and |
the grantes of the Counties Pallentynes in Ireland, wch – | the grantes of the Counties Pallentynes in Ireland, wch – |
though at first were granted vpon good consideracon when | though at first were granted vpon good consideracon when |
they were first conquered, for that those landes laye then as | they were first conquered, for that those landes laye then as |
a verie border to the wylde Irishe Irishe, subiect to contynewall inva | a verie border to the wylde Irishe, Irishe subiect to contynewall inva |
sion, so as yt is needfull to giue them greate p ri vilidges to | sion, so as yt is needfull to giue them greate p ri vilidges to |
the defence of the inhabytantes thereof , thereof, yet now that is | the defence of the inhabytantes thereof, thereof , yet now that is |
noe more a border , border, but frountyerd w i th enemies , why wth enemies, whie should | noe more a border, border , but frountyerd wth enemies, whie w i th enemies , why should |
such p ri vilidges be anye more contynewed contynewed: | such p ri vilidges be anye more contynewed: contynewed |
Eudox: Eudox : I would gladlie knowe what yow call a Countye Pallantine Pallentine | Eudox : Eudox: I would gladlie knowe what yow call a Countye Pallentine Pallantine |
and whence yt is so called : called: | and whence yt is so called: called : |
Iren: Iren : Yt was as I suppose first named Palantine Palatine, of a Pale as | Iren : Iren: Yt was as I suppose first named Palatine, Palantine of a Pale as |
yt were of a pale and defence to the Inner landes landes. so as | yt were of a pale and defence to the Inner landes. landes so as |
now yt is called the English Pale . pale, and thereof also is a | now yt is called the English pale, Pale . and thereof also is a |
Palsgraue named , named, that is an Earle Palentyne others | Palsgraue named, named , that is an Earle Palentyne others |
thincke of the lattene Palare , Palare, that is to forrage or out | thincke of the lattene Palare, Palare , that is to forrage or out |
rune because those m ar chers and borderers vse comonlie so to do doe- | rune because those m ar chers and borderers vse comonlie so to doe- do |
so as to haue a Countye Pallentyne, is in effecte but to | so as to haue a Countye Pallentyne, is in effecte but to |
haue a p ri vilidge to spoyle th enemies borders adioyninge ~ | haue a p ri vilidge to spoyle th enemies borders adioyninge ~ |
and surelye so yt is vsed at this daye as a p ap ri vilidged | and surelye so yt is vsed at this daye as ap a p ri vilidged |
place of spoyles and stealthes , stealthes, for the Countie Palatine | place of spoyles and stealthes, stealthes , for the Countie Palatine |
of Typperarie w hi ch wch is now the onelye Countye Palatine | of Typperarie wch w hi ch is now the onelye Countye Palatine |
in Ireland . Ireland, is by abuse of some bad ones made a receptacle | in Ireland, Ireland . is by abuse of some bad ones made a receptacle |
to robb the rest of the Counties aboutyt Countries about yt, By meanes of | to robb the rest of the Countries about yt, Counties aboutyt By meanes of |
whose p ri vilidges none will followe theire stealthes , stealthes, so | whose p ri vilidges none will followe theire stealthes, stealthes , so |
as yt | as yt |
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19 | 19 |
as yt beinge scituate in the verie Topp of all the land, is | as yt beinge scituate in the verie Topp of all the land, is |
made now aborder , w hi ch a border, wch how incovenient it is lett eu er ie man | made now a border, wch aborder , w hi ch how incovenient it is lett eu er ie man |
iudge : iudge: And though that right noble man that is the | iudge: iudge : And though that right noble man that is the |
Lord of that libertie doe libertie, do paine him self all that he | Lord of that libertie, do libertie doe paine him self all that he |
maye to yeild equall Iustice vnto all all, yett can there not | maye to yeild equall Iustice vnto all, all yett can there not |
but great abuses lurke in so in so inward and absolute a ~ – | but great abuses lurke in so in so inward and absolute a – ~ |
p ri vilidgeinge : vilidginge: Consideracon whereof is to be had respected ~~ - - | p ri vilidginge: vilidgeinge : Consideracon whereof is to be had respected - - ~~ |
carefullie for the next succession : succession: And much like vnto this | carefullie for the next succession: succession : And much like vnto this |
grante there are also other p ri vilidges granted vnto most of | grante there are also other p ri vilidges granted vnto most of |
the Corporatyons there that they shall not bee bound | the Corporatyons there that they shall not bee bound |
to any other gou er m en t then theire owne , owne, that they shall not | to any other gou er m en t then theire owne, owne , that they shall not |
be charged w i th wth any garrysons , garrysons, that they shall not | be charged wth w i th any garrysons, garrysons , that they shall not |
be travelled forth of theire owne franchises , franchises, that they maye | be travelled forth of theire owne franchises, franchises , that they maye |
buye and sell w i th wth theves and rebells, that all am er cym en tes | buye and sell wth w i th theves and rebells, that all am er cym en tes |
and fynes w hi ch wch shalbe ymposed vppon vpon them shall come | and fynes wch w hi ch shalbe ymposed vpon vppon them shall come |
vnto them selves : selves: All w hi ch wch though at the tyme of there | vnto them selves: selves : All wch w hi ch though at the tyme of there |
first grante , grante, they were tollerable , and p er happes ~ happs – | first grante, grante , they were tollerable , and p er happs – happes ~ |
reasonable , reasonable, yet now are most vnreasonable & .. inconvenient : v inconvenient: | reasonable, reasonable , yet now are most vnreasonable & v inconvenient: .. inconvenient : |
But all those these will easilie easelie be cutt of w i th wth the sup er ior ~ – | But all these those will easelie easilie be cutt of wth w i th the sup er ior – ~ |
power of her ma jes ties p er rogatiue re rogatiue, against w hi ch wch her owne grantes | power of her ma jes ties p re rogatiue, er rogatiue against wch w hi ch her owne grantes |
are not to bee pleaded nor enforced : enforced: | are not to bee pleaded nor enforced: enforced : |
Eudox: Nowe Eudox : Now trulie Irenius yee haue me semes , mee semes, verie well handled | Eudox : Now Eudox: Nowe trulie Irenius yee haue mee semes, me semes , verie well handled |
this pointe towchinge inconveniences in the Comon lawe , ~ Com m on lawe, - - | this pointe towchinge inconveniences in the Com m on lawe, - - Comon lawe , ~ |
there by yow observed thereby yow observed, and yt seemeth seameth that yow haue had a | thereby yow observed, there by yow observed and yt seameth seemeth that yow haue had a |
myndfull regarde vnto the thinges that maye concerne the | myndfull regarde vnto the thinges that maye concerne the |
good of that realme . realme, And yf yow can aswell goe through | good of that realme, realme . And yf yow can aswell goe through |
w i th wth the Statute lawes of that lande lande, I will thincke yow | wth w i th the Statute lawes of that lande, lande I will thincke yow |
have haue not lost all yo u r yor tyme there . Therefore there, therefore I praye | haue have not lost all yor yo u r tyme there, therefore there . Therefore I praye |
yow yow, now take them to yo u r you in hand and tell vs what yow thincke | yow, yow now take them to you in yo u r hand and tell vs what yow thincke |
to be amisse in them : them:: | to be amisse in them:: them : |
Iren: Iren : The statutes of that realme are not manye , manye, and therefore | Iren : Iren: The statutes of that realme are not manye, manye , and therefore |
wee shall the sooner run through them . them, And yett of those these | wee shall the sooner run through them, them . And yett of these those |
fewe there are sundrie imp er tinente and vnnece ssarie , vnne ce ssarie, the | fewe there are sundrie imp er tinente and vnne ce ssarie, vnnece ssarie , the |
w hi ch wch p er happs though at the tyme of makinge of them, | wch w hi ch p er happs though at the tyme of makinge of them, |
were verie needfull , needfull, yett now through change of tyme | were verie needfull, needfull , yett now through change of tyme |
are cleane | are cleane |
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are Cleane antyquated , antyquated, and altogeather , altogeather, As that w hi ch wch forbyddeth | are Cleane antyquated, antyquated , and altogeather, altogeather , As that wch w hi ch forbyddeth |
any to weare them theire beardes all on the Vpper Upper lipp and | any to weare theire them beardes all on the Upper Vpper lipp and |
none vnder the Chine . Chine. and that w hi ch wch putteth awaye saffron | none vnder the Chine. Chine . and that wch w hi ch putteth awaye saffron |
shirtes and smockes , smockes, and that w hi ch wch restrayneth the vsinge of | shirtes and smockes, smockes , and that wch w hi ch restrayneth the vsinge of |
guilte bridles and pettorelles , pettorells, and that w hi ch wch appointed to the | guilte bridles and pettorells, pettorelles , and that wch w hi ch appointed to the |
recorders and Clarke Clarkes of Dubline and drodagh , drodagh, to take but | recorders and Clarkes Clarke of Dubline and drodagh, drodagh , to take but |
ijd ij d for the Coppie of a plainte and that w hi ch wch com m aundeth bowes | ij d ijd for the Coppie of a plainte and that wch w hi ch com m aundeth bowes |
and arrowes , and that w hi ch and arrowes, and that wch maketh that all Irishmen that | and arrowes, and that wch and arrowes , and that w hi ch maketh that all Irishmen that |
shall converse amonge the Englishe , englishe, shalbe taken for | shall converse amonge the englishe, Englishe , shalbe taken for |
spyes and so punished , punished, and that w hi ch wch forbyddeth p er sons not a | spyes and so punished, punished , and that wch w hi ch forbyddeth p er sons not a |
meanable to lawe to enter and distreine destreine in the landes | meanable to lawe to enter and destreine distreine in the landes |
in the w hi ch wch they haue little little, and manie other the lyke | in the wch w hi ch they haue little, little and manie other the lyke |
w hi ch wch I could rehearse . rehearse:: | wch w hi ch I could rehearse:: rehearse . |
Eudox: Eudox : These trulie w hi ch wch yow haue repeated seeme verie | Eudox : Eudox: These trulie wch w hi ch yow haue repeated seeme verie |
frevolous and fruitelesse . ffor fruitelesse: For by the breach of them little | frevolous and fruitelesse: For fruitelesse . ffor by the breach of them little |
damadge or inconvenience can come to the Com m on Wealth Wealth: | damadge or inconvenience can come to the Com m on Wealth: Wealth |
weyther Neyther in deed yf .. at any transgresse them , them, shall he hee | Neyther weyther in deed yf at .. any transgresse them, them , shall hee he |
seeme worthie of punishm en t , scarse of blame blame, savinge | seeme worthie of punishm en t , scarse of blame, blame savinge |
but for that they abyde for by the names of lawes . lawes, But lawes | but for that they abyde for by the names of lawes, lawes . But lawes |
ought to be such as that by the kepinge of them should bee ~ – | ought to be such as that the by kepinge of them should bee – ~ |
greatlie for the behoof of the com m on weale , weale, and the | greatlie for the behoof of the com m on weale, weale , and the |
vyolatinge of them should be bee verie haynous and sharplie | vyolatinge of them should bee be verie haynous and sharplie |
punishable , punishable, But tell vs us of some more weightie dislike | punishable, punishable , But tell us vs of some more weightie dislike |
in the states theme these , then these, and that maye bee more behoof behoue | in the states then these, theme these , and that maye bee more behoue behoof |
full , in p full, imp ar te the reformacon of them : them: | full, imp full , in p ar te the reformacon of them: them : |
Iren: Iren : There is one or twoe statues w hi ch statutes wch make the wrongfull | Iren : Iren: There is one or twoe statutes wch statues w hi ch make the wrongfull |
distreyninge of any manes mans goodes against the forme of | distreyninge of any mans manes goodes against the forme of |
Comon Com m on lawe to be ffellonye , Fellonye, the w hi ch statue wch statutes seme | Com m on Comon lawe to be Fellonye, ffellonye , the wch statutes w hi ch statue seme |
surelie to haue bene at first meante for the greate good | surelie to haue bene at first meante for the greate good |
of that realme , realme, and for referayninge restrayninge of a fowle ~ – | of that realme, realme , and for restrayninge referayninge of a fowle – ~ |
abuse , w hi ch abuse, wch then raigned com m onlie amongst that people . people: | abuse, wch abuse , w hi ch then raigned com m onlie amongst that people: people . |
and yett is not altogeather layde asyde , a syde, that when | and yett is not altogeather layde a syde, asyde , that when |
any one was indebted to another , another, he would first ~ - - | any one was indebted to another, another , he would first - - ~ |
demaund : demaund: | demaund: demaund : |
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20 demaunde his debte, and yf he were not paide, he would straight | demaunde his debte, and yf he were not paide, he would straight 20 |
demaunded goe and yf he were not paide , he would straight take a distresse of his debte , goodes or Cattles where hee | goe demaunded his goodes or Cattles where hee debte , and take a distresse of yf he were not paide , he would straight |
goe and take adistresse of his goodes or Cattles where could fynde them to the vallue wch he would kepe till hee | could fynde them to the vallue wch he would kepe till goe and take adistresse of his goodes or Cattles where hee |
could fynde them to were satisfied, and this the vallue w hi ch he would kepe till hee symple Churle (as they call | were satisfied, and this could fynde them to the symple Churle (as they call vallue w hi ch he would kepe till hee |
were satisfied , and this the symple Churle (as they call | were satisfied , and this the symple Churle (as they call |
him, doth comonlye vse to doe, yett throughe ignorance of | him, doth comonlye vse to doe, yett throughe ignorance of |
his misdoinge or evill vse, that hath longe settled amongst | his misdoinge or evill vse, that hath longe settled amongst |
them , them, But this though yt be sure most vnlawfull , vnlawfull, yett ~ – | them, them , But this though yt be sure most vnlawfull, vnlawfull , yett – ~ |
surelye mee semes to harde to make yt death , death, since there | surelye mee semes to harde to make yt death, death , since there |
is noe purpose in the p ar tie to steale the others goodes ~~ - - | is noe purpose in the p ar tie to steale the others goodes - - ~~ |
or to conceale the distresse , distresse, but doth yt openlie for the most | or to conceale the distresse, distresse , but doth yt openlie for the most |
p ar te before wytnesses . wytnesses: And againe the same statutes are | p ar te before wytnesses: wytnesses . And againe the same statutes are |
so slacklye pende , pende, and besydes that later of them is | so slacklye pende, pende , and besydes that later of them is |
so vnsensiblye contryved , contryved, that yt scarse carrieth any | so vnsensiblye contryved, contryved , that yt scarse carrieth any |
reason in yt , yt, that they are often and verie easilie easelie | reason in yt, yt , that they are often and verie easelie easilie |
wrested to the fraude of the subiecte , subiecte, as yf one | wrested to the fraude of the subiecte, subiecte , as yf one |
goinge to distreine vpon his land lande or tenem en t where ~~ – | goinge to distreine vpon his lande land or tenem en t where – ~~ |
lawfullie he maye , maye, yett if in doinge thereof he transg | lawfullie he maye, maye , yett if in doinge thereof he transg |
resse the least pointe of the Com m on lawe , lawe, he straight | resse the least pointe of the Com m on lawe, lawe , he straight |
comitteth felonye ; felonye, This is a verie averie hard lawe : lawe: .. | comitteth felonye, felonye ; This is averie a verie hard lawe: .. lawe : |
Eudox: Eudox : Neu er thelesse the evill vse of distreyninge another mans | Eudox : Eudox: Neu er thelesse the evill vse of distreyninge another mans |
goodes yow will not denye , denye, but is to be abollished and taken | goodes yow will not denye, denye , but is to be abollished and taken |
awaye . awaye: | awaye: awaye . |
Iren: Iren : Yt is so but not by takinge awaye the subiecte w i th all wthall | Iren : Iren: Yt is so but not by takinge awaye the subiecte wthall w i th all |
for that is to violent a medycine , speciallie medycine, speciallie, this vuse vse | for that is to violent a medycine, speciallie, medycine , speciallie this vse vuse |
beinge being p er mitted mitted, and made lawfull to some and to other some | being beinge p er mitted, mitted and made lawfull to some and to other some |
death , death, As to most of the corporate townes , Corporate townes, there yt is | death, death , As to most of the Corporate townes, corporate townes , there yt is |
granted by there charter that they maye everie man | granted by there charter that they maye everie man |
by him self w i th out wthout an offycer (for that were more | by him self wthout w i th out an offycer (for that were more |
tollerable) for any d debte to distraine destraine the goodes of any | tollerable) for any d debte to destraine distraine the goodes of any |
Irishe beinge founde w i th in wthin there libertie or but passing | Irishe beinge founde wthin w i th in there libertie or but passing |
through their Townes . theire Townes. And the first p er mission of this | through theire Townes. their Townes . And the first p er mission of this |
was for that in those tymes when that grant was made | was for that in those tymes when that grant was made |
the Irishe were not ameanable to lawes , lawe, so as yt was | the Irishe were not ameanable to lawe, lawes , so as yt was |
not saiftye | not saiftye |
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not saftye saiftye for the townes man to goe to him forth to demaunde his | not saiftye saftye for the townes man to goe to him forth to demaunde his |
debte , debte, nor possible drawe him into lawe , lawe, so that hee hadd leue | debte, debte , nor possible drawe him into lawe, lawe , so that hee hadd leue |
to be his owne balife to arreast his said debtors goodes w i th in wthin | to be his owne balife to arreast his said debtors goodes wthin w i th in |
his owne franchise , franchise, The w hi ch wch the Irishe seinge thought yt as | his owne franchise, franchise , The wch w hi ch the Irishe seinge thought yt as |
lawfull for them to distrayne the Townesmanes Townesmans good in the countrye | lawfull for them to distrayne the Townesmans Townesmanes good in the countrye |
where the they founde yt . yt. And so ensample of that grant to town townes | where they the founde yt. yt . And so ensample of that grant to townes town |
men , men, they thought yt lawfull and made yt an vse to distrene | men, men , they thought yt lawfull and made yt an vse to distrene |
one anothers goodes for small debtes . debtes, And to saye truth | one anothers goodes for small debtes, debtes . And to saye truth |
me thincke thinckes yt hard for everie tryfline debte of 2 2: or 3s 3 s | me thinckes thincke yt hard for everie tryfline debte of 2: 2 or 3 s 3s |
to be dryven to lawe : w hi ch lawe, wch is so farr from them l sometimes | to be dryven to lawe, wch lawe : w hi ch is so farr from them l sometimes |
to be sought , sought, for w hi ch wch me thinckes yt were an heavye ~~ - - | to be sought, sought , for wch w hi ch me thinckes yt were an heavye - - ~~ |
ordynance to giue death especiallie to a rude man that | ordynance to giue death especiallie to a rude man that |
is ignorante of lawe , lawe, and thincketh a comon vse or grante | is ignorante of lawe, lawe , and thincketh a comon vse or grante |
to ... other another man a lawe for him self. : self: | to another ... other man a lawe for him self: self. : |
Eudox: Eudox : Yea but the iudge when yt com m eth before him to ~ - - | Eudox : Eudox: Yea but the iudge when yt com m eth before him to - - ~ |
tryall , may tryall, maye easelie deside this doubte and laye open the | tryall, maye tryall , may easelie deside this doubte and laye open the |
intente of the lawe by his better discression . discression: | intente of the lawe by his better discression: discression . |
Iren: Iren : Yea but yt is dangerous to leaue the sence of a lawe | Iren : Iren: Yea but yt is dangerous to leaue the sence of a lawe |
vnto the reason or will of the iudge who are men and | vnto the reason or will of the iudge who are men and |
maye be miscarried , miscarried, by affecions , effeccons, and manye other meanes | maye be miscarried, miscarried , by effeccons, affecions , and manye other meanes |
But the lawes ought to bee be lyke to stonye tables , tables, plaine | But the lawes ought to be bee lyke to stonye tables, tables , plaine |
stedfast and ymmoveable , ymmoveable, There is also such a an other statute statut | stedfast and ymmoveable, ymmoveable , There is also such an a other statut statute |
or twoo w hi ch make Coi or twoe wch make, Co i gnye or lyverie to be treason , treason, noe | or twoe wch make, Co i or twoo w hi ch make Coi gnye or lyverie to be treason, treason , noe |
lesse inconveniente then the form er beinge as yt is penned | lesse inconveniente then the form er beinge as yt is penned |
how ever the first purpose thereof were expedyente , expedyente, | how ever the first purpose thereof were expedyente, expedyente , |
for thereby now noe man can goe vnto anothers howse for | for thereby now noe man can goe vnto anothers howse for |
Lodging , Lodging, nor to his owne Tenna n ts Tenn an tes howse to take victuall | Lodging, Lodging , nor to his owne Tenn an tes Tenna n ts howse to take victuall |
by the waye , waye, not w i th standinge wthstandinge that there is noe other ~ – | by the waye, waye , not wthstandinge w i th standinge that there is noe other – ~ |
meanes for him to haue lodginge or horsemeate nor mans | meanes for him to haue lodginge or horsemeate nor mans |
meate , meate, there being noe Innes , nore Inns, nor none otherwise to be | meate, meate , there being noe Inns, nor Innes , nore none otherwise to be |
bought for monye , monye, but that he is endangered to that | bought for monye, monye , but that he is endangered to that |
statute of Treason , whersoever Treason, whensoever he shall happen | statute of Treason, whensoever Treason , whersoever he shall happen |
to fall | to fall |
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to fall out w i th wth his tennant or that his said host list to complaine | to fall out wth w i th his tennant or that his said host list to complaine |
of grevance ; grevance, as oftentymes I haue sene them verie mali | of grevance, grevance ; as oftentymes I haue sene them verie mali |
ciouslie doe thorowe the least p ro vocations : vocations: | ciouslie doe thorowe the least p ro vocations: vocations : |
Eudox: Eudox : I doe not well knowe knowe: but by glyesse ghesse what ye doe meane | Eudox : Eudox: I doe not well knowe: knowe but by ghesse glyesse what ye doe meane |
by these termes of Coignye and Lyuerye , therefore I praye | by these termes of Coignye and Lyuerye , therefore I praye |
yow explaine them . them: | yow explaine them: them . |
Iren : I knowe not whether the wordes be Englishe or Irish | Iren : I knowe not whether the wordes be Englishe or Irish |
but I suppose them rather to be ancient Englishe , Englishe, for the | but I suppose them rather to be ancient Englishe, Englishe , for the |
Irishe men can make noe derivacon or anolie of them , them, | Irishe men can make noe derivacon or anolie of them, them , |
what lyverie is wee by comon com m on vse doe knowe well | what lyverie is wee by com m on comon vse doe knowe well |
ynough that yt is allowinge allowance of horsemeate , horsemeate, as comonlye | ynough that yt is allowance allowinge of horsemeate, horsemeate , as comonlye |
they vse the worde in stabline , stabline, as to kepe horses at | they vse the worde in stabline, stabline , as to kepe horses at |
lyverie , lyverie, the w hi ch wch worde as I gyesse ghesse is deryved of | lyverie, lyverie , the wch w hi ch worde as I ghesse gyesse is deryved of |
lyveringe or deliu er inge forth theire nightlie foode , foode, Soe in | lyveringe or deliu er inge forth theire nightlie foode, foode , Soe in |
greate howses the lyverye is said to be served vpp for | greate howses the lyverye is said to be served vpp for |
all night , night, that is theire nightlye ^ evininge allowence Eveninges allowance of drincke . | all night, night , that is theire nightlye Eveninges allowance ^ evininge allowence of drincke . |
And lyverie is also called the proper garment w hi ch wch | And lyverie is also called the proper garment wch w hi ch |
a servingman weareth , weareth, so called as I suppose , suppose, for that yt | a servingman weareth, weareth , so called as I suppose, suppose , for that yt |
was deliu er ed at taken from him at pleasure : pleasure: So yt is | was deliu er ed at taken from him at pleasure: pleasure : So yt is |
apparente apparante that by the worde Lyverie , wordes Lyverie, is there mente | apparante apparente that by the wordes Lyverie, worde Lyverie , is there mente |
horsmeate horsmeate, lyke as by Coigny , is vnderstoode mans meate | horsmeate, horsmeate lyke as by Coigny , is vnderstoode mans meate |
But whence the worde is deryved ys verie harde to tell. tell: | But whence the worde is deryved ys verie harde to tell: tell. |
Some saye of coyne , coyne, for that they vsed Comodytie in theire | Some saye of coyne, coyne , for that they vsed Comodytie in theire |
Coignies , but not onelye to take meate but Coyne also . also: | Coignies , but not onelye to take meate but Coyne also: also . |
and that that takinge of monie monye was speciallie meante | and that that takinge of monye monie was speciallie meante |
to be prohibited by that statute . statute: But I thincke rather that | to be prohibited by that statute: statute . But I thincke rather that |
this worde word Coignye is deryved of the Irishe . Irishe, The w hi ch is wch is | this word worde Coignye is deryved of the Irishe, Irishe . The wch is w hi ch is |
com m on vse amongst the Irishe Landlordes Land Lordes to haue a Com m on | com m on vse amongst the Irishe Land Lordes Landlordes to haue a Com m on |
spendinge amonge vpon theire tennantes , ffor theire, tennantes, For all theire | spendinge amonge vpon theire, tennantes, For theire tennantes , ffor all theire |
tennantes beinge comonlye but Tennantes Tennauntes at will , will, they | tennantes beinge comonlye but Tennauntes Tennantes at will, will , they |
vse to take of them what victualles victuall they liste : ffor of liste: For of | vse to take of them what victuall victualles they liste: For of liste : ffor of |
victualles victualls they were wounte to make small reckoninge , reckoninge, | victualls victualles they were wounte to make small reckoninge, reckoninge , |
neyther in this was the tennantes wronged , tennante wronged, for yt was an | neyther in this was the tennante wronged, tennantes wronged , for yt was an |
ordynarie | ordynarie |
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an ordynarie and knowen custome , Custome, and his Lord Comonlye vsed so to to- | an ordynarie and knowen Custome, custome , and his Lord Comonlye vsed so to- to |
Covenante w i th him , w hi ch wth him, wch yf at anye tyme the tennant dislyked | Covenante wth him, wch w i th him , w hi ch yf at anye tyme the tennant dislyked |
he might frelye dep ar te at his pleasure . pleasure, But now by this | he might frelye dep ar te at his pleasure, pleasure . But now by this |
statute the Irishe Lord is wronged for that he is Cutt of | statute the Irishe Lord is wronged for that he is Cutt of |
from his Customarie servyces , as servyces, of the w hi ch wch this was one besyd es one, besyde | from his Customarie servyces, of servyces , as the wch w hi ch this was one, besyde one besyd es |
manye other of the lyke , lyke, as Cuddie Cossherie , Bonnaght, Cuddie, Cossherie, Bonnagh , | manye other of the lyke, lyke , as Cuddie, Cossherie, Bonnagh , Cuddie Cossherie , Bonnaght, |
Sragh , Sragh, forehin and such others , others, the w hi ch wch I thincke at firste | Sragh, Sragh , forehin and such others, others , the wch w hi ch I thincke at firste |
were Customes brought in by the Englishe vpon the Irishe, | were Customes brought in by the Englishe vpon the Irishe, |
the w hi ch wch were never wonte , wonte, and yett are loath to yeild any | the wch w hi ch were never wonte, wonte , and yett are loath to yeild any |
Certaine rente , rente, but onelye such spendinges . ffor spendinges. For there | Certaine rente, rente , but onelye such spendinges. For spendinges . ffor there |
Comon sayinge , sayinge, is Spende me and defende me : me: | Comon sayinge, sayinge , is Spende me and defende me: me : |
Eudox: Eudox : Surelie I take it yt as yow saye , saye, that therein there in the Irishe | Eudox : Eudox: Surelie I take yt it as yow saye, saye , that there in therein the Irishe |
Lorde Lord, hath wronge since yt was an ancyent Custome and | Lord, Lorde hath wronge since yt was an ancyent Custome and |
nothinge Contrarie to lawe , lawe, for to the willinge there | nothinge Contrarie to lawe, lawe , for to the willinge there |
is noe wronge done . done, And this right well I wote that | is noe wronge done, done . And this right well I wote that |
even here in England there are in manye places places, as | even here in England there are in manye places, places as |
large Customes as that of Coygnie and lyverye lyverye. But | large Customes as that of Coygnie and lyverye. lyverye But |
I suppose by yo u r yor speach that yt was the first meaning | I suppose by yor yo u r speach that yt was the first meaning |
of the state to forbydd the vyolente taking of vyctualles vyctualls | of the state to forbydd the vyolente taking of vyctualls vyctualles |
vppon vpon other mens tennantes , tennantes, against theire wylls w hi ch wch | vpon vppon other mens tennantes, tennantes , against theire wylls wch w hi ch |
surely surelye is a greate outrage , agreate outrage, and yett not so greate mee | surelye surely is agreate outrage, a greate outrage , and yett not so greate mee |
seemes as that yt should be made treason : ffor treason: For consideringe | seemes as that yt should be made treason: For treason : ffor consideringe |
their that the nature of treason is concerninge the royall | that their the nature of treason is concerninge the royall |
estate of or p er son of the prince or practizinge w i th wth his | estate of or p er son of the prince or practizinge wth w i th his |
enymies , enymies, to the derogacon and danger of his Crowne | enymies, enymies , to the derogacon and danger of his Crowne |
and dignitye , dignitye, yt is hardlie wrested to make this ~~ - - | and dignitye, dignitye , yt is hardlie wrested to make this - - ~~ |
treason , treason, But as yow erst said Better a mischeif then an an: | treason, treason , But as yow erst said Better a mischeif then an: an |
inconuenience : inconuenienc: | inconuenienc: inconuenience : |
Iren: Iren : w hi ch Another statute I remember remember: wch havinge bene an | Iren Iren: Another statute I remember: wch remember : w hi ch havinge bene an |
ancyent Irish Custome , Custome, is now vpon advizm en t made an | ancyent Irish Custome, Custome , is now vpon advizm en t made an |
Englishe lawe , lawe, and that is called the Custome of ~~ - - | Englishe lawe, lawe , and that is called the Custome of - - ~~ |
kincongish Kincougish , w hi ch wch is that everie head of everye sept every septe | Kincougish kincongish , wch w hi ch is that everie head of every septe everye sept |
and eu er ie cheif of eu er ie of kyndred kyndrid or famillie should | and eu er ie cheif of eu er ie of kyndrid kyndred or famillie should |
be required Eu Eudox : | be required Eudox : Eu |
Folio 22r Eudox : Whie surelie this semes averye necessarie lawe, | Folio 22r Eudox : Whie surelie this semes averye necessarie lawe, |
22 for Considringe that manye of them be such losells, and | for Considringe that manye of them be such losells, and 22 |
Eudox: Whie surelie this semes a verye necessarie lawe, scatterlinges, as that they cannot easelye by any sherif | scatterlinges, as that they cannot easelye by any sherif Eudox: Whie surelie this semes a verye necessarie lawe, |
for Considringe that manye of them be such loselles , and | for Considringe that manye of them be such loselles , and |
scatterlinges as that they cannot easelye by any sherif | scatterlinges as that they cannot easelye by any sherif |
Constable Baliffe or other ordynarie offycer bee gotten | Constable Baliffe or other ordynarie offycer bee gotten |
when they are Challenged , Challenged, for any such facte , facte, this | when they are Challenged, Challenged , for any such facte, facte , this |
is a verie good meanes to gett them to be brought in | is a verie good meanes to gett them to be brought in |
by him . him, that is the head or chief cheif of the septe or chief cheif | by him, him . that is the head or cheif chief of the septe or cheif chief |
of that howse , howse, wherefore I wounder what deepe | of that howse, howse , wherefore I wounder what deepe |
exception yet yee can make against the same : same: | exception yee yet can make against the same: same : |
Iren: Iren Trewe Eudox: Edox: in the p re tence of the good of this | Iren Iren: Trewe Edox: Eudox: in the p re tence of the good of this |
Statute yee haue nothinge erred for yt semeth seemeth verie | Statute yee haue nothinge erred for yt seemeth semeth verie |
expedyente and necessarie necessarie: But the hurte w hi ch wch com m eth | expedyente and necessarie: necessarie But the hurte wch w hi ch com m eth |
thereby is greater then the good . ffor good: For whilst everie | thereby is greater then the good: For good . ffor whilst everie |
cheif of a septe standeth so bounde to the lawe , lawe, for | cheif of a septe standeth so bounde to the lawe, lawe , for |
eu er ie man that is oft of his bloode bloude or septe that is vnder | eu er ie man that is of oft his bloude bloode or septe that is vnder |
him inclusiue eu er ie one of his septe is put vnder him | him inclusiue eu er ie one of his septe is put vnder him |
and he made greate by the comaunding of them all : all: | and he made greate by the comaunding of them all: all : |
ffor For yf he maye not com m aunde them , them, then that lawe | For ffor yf he maye not com m aunde them, them , then that lawe |
doth wronge that byndeth him to bringe them forthe | doth wronge that byndeth him to bringe them forthe |
to be iustefied , iustefied, and yf he maye com m aund com r OB them then he | to be iustefied, iustefied , and yf he maye com m aund r OB com them then he |
maye comaund them aswell to yll as to good , good, here by | maye comaund them aswell to yll as to good, good , here by |
the Lordes and Captaines of the Countryes , Countryes, the princypalls | the Lordes and Captaines of the Countryes, Countryes , the princypalls |
and heades of septes are made stronger , stronger, whom yt | and heades of septes are made stronger, stronger , whom yt |
should bee be a . OB most speciall care cace in pollycie to ~ – | should be bee a OB . most speciall cace care in pollycie to – ~ |
weaken and to putt sett vpp and strengthen dyverse of his | weaken and to sett putt vpp and strengthen dyverse of his |
vnderlinges against him , w hi ch him, wch whensoever he shall | vnderlinges against him, wch him , w hi ch whensoever he shall |
offer to swarue from duetye , duetye, maye bee able to beard | offer to swarue from duetye, duetye , maye bee able to beard |
him . ffor For yt is verye dangerous to leaue the Comaund Com m aund | him For . ffor yt is verye dangerous to leaue the Com m aund Comaund |
of so manye as some septes are , are, beinge v v: or vj thowsand | of so manye as some septes are, are , beinge v: v or vj thowsand |
p er sons sons, to the will of one man , man, who maye leade . h | p er sons, sons to the will of one man, man , who maye leade h . |
them to what he will as he him self is inclyned | them to what he will as he him self is inclyned |
Eudox: In verie | Eudox: In verie |
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Eudox: Eudox : In verie deed Irenius yt is verie dangerous especiallie | Eudox : Eudox: In verie deed Irenius yt is verie dangerous especiallie |
seinge the disposition of those people , people, not alwaies inclynable | seinge the disposition of those people, people , not alwaies inclynable |
to the best , best, And therefore I hould yt noe wysdome to leaue | to the best, best , And therefore I hould yt noe wysdome to leaue |
vnto them to much comaund unite com m aund over their kynred , theire kynred, but rather | vnto them to unite com m aund much comaund over theire kynred, their kynred , but rather |
to w hi ch wth drawe theire followers from them as much as maye | to wth w hi ch drawe theire followers from them as much as maye |
bee , bee, and to gather them vnder the Comaund Com m aund of lawe Lawe by | bee, bee , and to gather them vnder the Com m aund Comaund of Lawe lawe by |
some better meane , meane, then this Custome of kinconghish Kinconghish | some better meane, meane , then this Custome of Kinconghish kinconghish |
the w hi ch wch worde I would bee glad to knowe what yt namely | the wch w hi ch worde I would bee glad to knowe what yt namely |
signifieth , signifieth, for the meaninge thereof , thereof, I seme to vnderstand | signifieth, signifieth , for the meaninge thereof, thereof , I seme to vnderstand |
reasonable well : well: | reasonable well: well : |
Iren: Iren : It is a word mingled of Englishe and Irishe togeather | Iren : Iren: It is a word mingled of Englishe and Irishe togeather |
so as I am p ar telye ledd to thincke that the Custome thereof | so as I am p ar telye ledd to thincke that the Custome thereof |
was first Englishe and after wardes Irishe , afterwardes Irishe, for such an | was first Englishe and afterwardes Irishe, after wardes Irishe , for such an |
other lawe they had here in England as I remember | other lawe they had here in England as I remember |
made by kinge Kinge Alred Alured , that everie gentilman gentleman | made by Kinge kinge Alred Alured , that everie gentleman gentilman |
should contynewallie bringe forth his kynred and followers | should contynewallie bringe forth his kynred and followers |
to the lawe, So, kyn Kyn : is Englishe and Conghish ~~ –- | to the lawe, So, Kyn : kyn is Englishe and Conghish –- ~~ |
signifieth affynitie in Irishe . Irishe: | signifieth affynitie in Irishe: Irishe . |
Eudox: Eudox : Sythe then that wee haue thus reasonablie handled | Eudox : Eudox: Sythe then that wee haue thus reasonablie handled |
the inconveniences in the lawes lawes, lett vs now passe vnto | the inconveniences in the lawes, lawes lett vs now passe vnto |
yo u r yor seconde p ar te , w hi ch te, wch was as I remember of the abuses | yor yo u r seconde p ar te, wch te , w hi ch was as I remember of the abuses |
of the Customes , Customes, in w hi ch wch mee seemes ye haue a faire Cham | of Customes, the Customes , in wch w hi ch mee seemes ye haue a faire Cham |
pyon laide open vnto yow yow, in w hi ch wch yee maye at large | pyon laide open vnto yow, yow in wch w hi ch yee maye at large |
stretch out yo u r discourse , yor discourse, into manye many sweete remembrances | stretch out yor discourse, yo u r discourse , into many manye sweete remembrances |
of antyquities , antyquities, from whence yt seemes seemeth that the Customes | of antyquities, antyquities , from whence yt seemeth seemes that the Customes |
of that nation p ro ceded | of that nation p ro ceded |
Iren: Iren : Indeed Eudox : yow saye verie true , true, for all the Custo | Iren : Iren: Indeed Eudox : yow saye verie true, true , for all the Custo |
mes of the Irishe w hi ch wch I haue verie often noted and | mes of the Irishe wch w hi ch I haue verie often noted and |
Compared w i th wth that I haue redd would minister ~ – | Compared wth w i th that I haue redd would minister – ~ |
occasyon of most ample discourse of the first oridginall | occasyon of most ample discourse of the first oridginall |
of them , of them, and the Antiquitie of that people w hi ch wch in | of them, of them , and the Antiquitie of that people wch w hi ch in |
truth I doe thincke to bee more auncyent , auncyent, then most | truth I doe thincke to bee more auncyent, auncyent , then most |
that I | that I |
Folio 23r | Folio 23r |
23 that I h knowe in this end of the world, so as yf | that I h knowe in this end of the world, so as yf 23 |
that I h knowe in this end of the world , so as yf | that I h knowe in this end of the world , so as yf |
it were in the handlinge of some man of sound | it were in the handlinge of some man of sound |
iudgment and plentifull reading yt would bee most | iudgment and plentifull reading yt would bee most |
pleasante and profytable , profytable, But yt maye bee, wee | pleasante and profytable, profytable , But yt maye bee, wee |
maye at some other tyme of metinge , metinge, take occa | maye at some other tyme of metinge, metinge , take occa |
sion to treate thereof more at large , large, here | sion to treate thereof more at large, large , here |
onelie yt shall suffice to touch such Customes of | onelie yt shall suffice to touch such Customes of |
the Irishe as seme offensyve and repugnante | the Irishe as seme offensyve and repugnante |
to the good gou er ern ment of that Coun realme : Com m on realme: | to the good gou ern er ment of that Com m on realme: Coun realme : |
Eudox: ffollowe Eudox : Followe then yo u r yor owne course for I | Eudox : Followe Eudox: ffollowe then yor yo u r owne course for I |
shall the better contente my self , self, to for beare forbeare | shall the better contente my self, self , to forbeare for beare |
my desyre , desyre, nowe in hope that yow will as yow | my desyre, desyre , nowe in hope that yow will as yow |
saye aboundantlye satisfye yt : yt: | saye aboundantlye satisfye yt: yt : |
Iren: Iren : Before wee enter into unto the treatise of | Iren : Iren: Before wee enter unto into the treatise of |
there theire Customes yt is first needfull to consider | theire there Customes yt is first needfull to consider |
from whence they spronge . spronge, for from the | from whence they spronge, spronge . for from the |
sondrye manners mannors of the nations , nations, from whence | sondrye mannors manners of the nations, nations , from whence |
that people w hi ch wch are nowe called Irishe | that people wch w hi ch are nowe called Irishe |
were deuided , deuided, some of the Customes w hi ch wch now | were deuided, deuided , some of the Customes wch w hi ch now |
remaine amongst them haue bene fetchched , fetcht, and | remaine amongst them haue bene fetcht, fetchched , and |
since they haue bene contynewed amongest them | since they haue bene contynewed amongest them |
ffor For not of one Nacion was that people | For ffor not of one Nacion was that people |
as yt is, but of soundrie people of different | as yt is, but of soundrie people of different |
condycions and manners , mannors, But the cheif w hi ch wch | condycions and mannors, manners , But the cheif wch w hi ch |
haue first possessed and inhabited yt , Inhabited yt, I suppose | haue first possessed and Inhabited yt, inhabited yt , I suppose |
ti to bee Scythians , w hi ch Scythians, wch at such tyme as the | to ti bee Scythians, wch Scythians , w hi ch at such tyme as the |
Northerne Nations overflowed all Christendome , Christendome, | Northerne Nations overflowed all Christendome, Christendome , |
came downe from to the Sea coast , coast, where | came downe from to the Sea coast, coast , where |
enquiring for other Countries abroad and | enquiring for other Countries abroad and |
getting intelligence of this Countrie of | getting intelligence of this Countrie of |
Ireland | Ireland |
Folio 23v | Folio 23v |
Irelande fyndinge shippinge convenient , convenient, passed | Irelande fyndinge shippinge convenient, convenient , passed |
over thither and aryved in the North p ar te | over thither and aryved in the North p ar te |
thereof w hi ch wch is now called Ulster w hi ch Vlster wch | thereof wch w hi ch is now called Vlster wch Ulster w hi ch |
first inhabytinge , inhabytinge, and afterwardes stret | first inhabytinge, inhabytinge , and afterwardes stret |
chinge them selues forth into the land as | chinge them selues forth into the land as |
theire nombers increased , increased, named yt all | theire nombers increased, increased , named yt all |
of them selues Scuttenland , w hi ch wch more brei | of them selues Scuttenland , wch w hi ch more brei |
flie felie is called Scutlande of Scotland . Scotland. | felie flie is called Scutlande of Scotland. Scotland . |
Eudox: Eudox : I wounder Irenius whether yow rnn? run | Eudox : Eudox: I wounder Irenius whether yow run rnn? |
run so farr astraye , astraye, for whilst wee talke | run so farr astraye, astraye , for whilst wee talke |
of Ireland mee thincke thinkes yow rippe vpp the | of Ireland mee thinkes thincke yow rippe vpp the |
originall of Scotland , Scotland, but what is | originall of Scotland, Scotland , but what is |
that to this : this: | that to this: this : |
Eudox Iren Surelie verie much . much, for Scotland and Ireland | Eudox Iren Surelie verie much, much . for Scotland and Ireland |
are one and the same : same: | are one and the same: same : |
Eudox: Eudox : That semeth more strange for wee | Eudox : Eudox: That semeth more strange for wee |
all knowe righte well , well, that they are | all knowe righte well, well , that they are |
distinguished w i th a greate wth agreate sea runninge | distinguished wth agreate w i th a greate sea runninge |
betwene them them, or ells there are twoe Scotlandes | betwene them, them or ells there are twoe Scotlandes |
Iren: Neverthemore lesse Neverthe more lesse, are there twoe Scotlandes | Iren: Neverthe more lesse, Neverthemore lesse are there twoe Scotlandes |
but twoe kyndes of Scotes , Scotes, there weree | but twoe kyndes of Scotes, Scotes , there weree |
in deed as yee maye gather out of Bucha | in deed as yee maye gather out of Bucha |
nam , the one Irine of or Irishe Scots , Scotes, thother | nam , the one Irine of or Irishe Scotes, Scots , thother |
Albyne Scotes , Scotes, for those Scotes or Scythians | Albyne Scotes, Scotes , for those Scotes or Scythians |
arrived (as I suppose , in the North p ar te tes of þ a y t | arrived (as I suppose , in the North p ar tes te of y þ a t |
Ilande , Ilande, where some of them afterwarde afterwardes passed | Ilande, Ilande , where some of them afterwardes afterwarde passed |
into the next Coast of Albyne now called | into the next Coast of Albyne now called |
Scotland w hi ch wch after much trouble they possessed | Scotland wch w hi ch after much trouble they possessed |
and of | and of |
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24 and of themselues named yt Scotland, but in p ro cesse | and of themselues named yt Scotland, but in p ro cesse 24 |
of them selues named yt Scotland , but in Cresse tyme as ys comenlie seene, the denominacon | and of tyme as ys comenlie seene, the denominacon them selues named yt Scotland , but in Cresse |
of tyme as ys comenlie seene , the denominacon the p ar te p re valed in the whole. for the | of the p ar te p re valed in the whole. for the tyme as ys comenlie seene , the denominacon |
of the p ar te p re valed in the whole . for the | of the p ar te p re valed in the whole . for the |
Irishe Scottes puttinge awaye the names | Irishe Scottes puttinge awaye the names |
of Scotes were Called onelye Irishe , Irishe, and | of Scotes were Called onelye Irishe, Irishe , and |
the Albyn Scotes leavinge the name of Albyn , Albyn, | the Albyn Scotes leavinge the name of Albyn, Albyn , |
were called only Scottes . onely Scottes, Therefore | were called onely Scottes, only Scottes . Therefore |
yt com m eth that of some wryters ^ that Iland | yt com m eth that of some wryters ^ that Iland |
is called Scotia maior , and that w hi ch wch now is | is called Scotia maior , and that wch w hi ch now is |
named Scotland , Scotland, is called Scotia minor | named Scotland, Scotland , is called Scotia minor |
Eudox: I doe now well remember understand vnderstand | Eudox: I doe now well remember vnderstand understand |
yo u r yor distinguishing of the twoe sortes of | yor yo u r distinguishing of the twoe sortes of |
Scotes and two Scotlandes . Scotlandes, how that this | Scotes and two Scotlandes, Scotlandes . how that this |
w hi ch wch is now called Ireland was ancyentlie | wch w hi ch is now called Ireland was ancyentlie |
called Irine and afterwardes of some | called Irine and afterwardes of some |
written Scotland , Scotland, and that w hi ch wch was form er lie li e is now called | written Scotland, Scotland , and that wch w hi ch is now was form er li e lie called |
Scotland is was form er lie called Albyne | Scotland is was form er lie called Albyne |
before the Comminge of the Scuttes thither . thither, | before the Comminge of the Scuttes thither, thither . |
But what other nations inhabyted in habyted thother | But what other nations in habyted inhabyted thother |
p ar te tes of Ireland : Ireland: | p ar tes te of Ireland: Ireland : |
Iren: After this people thus planted or | Iren: After this people thus planted or |
in the northe north or before before, (for the Certaintie | in the north northe or before, before (for the Certaintie |
of tymes in thinges so farr from all know | of tymes in thinges so farr from all know |
ledge cannot bee iustlie avouched ) avouched) an | ledge cannot bee iustlie avouched) avouched ) an |
other nacon cominge of Cominge o OB out of Spaine | other nacon Cominge o OB cominge of out of Spaine |
aryved in the west p ar te of Ireland , Ireland, and | aryved in the west p ar te of Ireland, Ireland , and |
fynding e yt waste . weakelie in habited , habited, | fynding e yt waste . weakelie in habited, habited , |
possessed of yt | possessed yt of |
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possessed yt who whither they were ~ – | possessed yt who whither they were – ~ |
natiue Spanyardes or Gaules or Africans | natiue Spanyardes or Gaules or Africans |
or Goathes , or Goathes, or some of those Northerne Na N | or Goathes, or Goathes , or some of those Northerne N Na |
Nations w hi ch wch did over spr oversp r ead all Christendome , Christendome, | Nations wch w hi ch did oversp r over spr ead all Christendome, Christendome , |
It is ympossible to affyrme onelye some | It is ympossible to affyrme onelye some |
naked . OB coniectures maye be gathered , bee gathered, but | naked OB . coniectures maye bee gathered, be gathered , but |
that out of Spaine certainelie they came , came, | that out of Spaine certainelie they came, came , |
that doe all the Irishe Chronicles Cronicles agree ~~ - - | that doe all the Irishe Cronicles Chronicles agree - - ~~ |
Eudox: Yow doe verie boldlie Irenius venture | Eudox: Yow doe verie boldlie Irenius venture |
vpon the histories of ancient tymes and | vpon the histories of ancient tymes and |
leane too confydentlie confydentelie vnto those Irishe ~ – | leane too confydentelie confydentlie vnto those Irishe – ~ |
Chroniclees w hi ch Croniclees wch are most fabulous and | Croniclees wch Chroniclees w hi ch are most fabulous and |
forged , forged, in that out of them , them, yee dare take | forged, forged , in that out of them, them , yee dare take |
in hand , hand, to laye open the originall so fo | in hand, hand , to laye open the originall fo so |
of a Nation so antique , antique, as that noe monum en t | of a Nation so antique, antique , as that noe monum en t |
remayneth of her begynninge begynning and inha | remayneth of her begynning begynninge and inha |
byting there . OB speciallie havinge bene alwaes alwaies | byting there OB . speciallie havinge bene alwaies alwaes |
w i thout wthout l et res , ett res, but onelye bare tradytions of tymes | wthout w i thout l ett res, et res , but onelye bare tradytions of tymes |
and remembrances of bardes , w hi ch bardes, wch vse to | and remembrances of bardes, wch bardes , w hi ch vse to |
forge and falsifye everye thinge as theye | forge and falsifye everye thinge as theye |
liste to please or displease any man , man,: | liste to please or displease any man,: man , |
Iren: Iren : Trewlie I must confesse I doe soo soe, but yett not | Iren : Iren: Trewlie I must confesse I doe soe, soo but yett not |
so absolutelie , absolutelie, as yee suppose I doe here in ~ – | so absolutelie, absolutelie , as yee suppose I doe here in – ~ |
relye vpon those bardes or Irishe Cronicles | relye vpon those bardes or Irishe Cronicles |
though the Irishe them selues through theire | though the Irishe them selues through theire |
ignorance in matters of learninge and | ignorance in matters of learninge and |
deepe | deepe |
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deepe Iudgmente judgmente doe most constantlie beleaue them | deepe judgmente Iudgmente doe most constantlie beleaue them |
and avouch them , them, But vnto them besydes , besydes, I add | and avouch them, them , But vnto them besydes, besydes , I add |
my owne readinge and out of them both togeather | my owne readinge and out of them both togeather |
w i thout complarison of tymes , wthout comparrison of tymes, lykenes of mann er s | wthout comparrison of tymes, w i thout complarison of tymes , lykenes of mann er s |
and customes , customes, affinitie of wordes , wordes, OB & names , names, | and customes, customes , affinitie of wordes, OB wordes , & names, names , |
prop er ties of Natures and vses resemblances | prop er ties of Natures and vses resemblances |
of rightes and ceremonies monum en t es tes of Churches | of rightes and ceremonies monum en tes t es of Churches |
and Tombes , and Tombes, and manye other lyke Circumstances | and Tombes, and Tombes , and manye other lyke Circumstances |
I doe gather a likeliehoode alikeliehoode of truth not certenlie affir | I doe gather alikeliehoode a likeliehoode of truth not certenlie affir |
minge , minge, any thinge but by conferringe of tymes , tymes, languages | minge, minge , any thinge but by conferringe of tymes, tymes , languages |
monum en t es tes and such like , like, I doe hunte hinte out a probabillitie of thinges | monum en tes t es and such like, like , I doe hinte hunte out a probabillitie of thinges |
w hi ch wch I leaue vnto yo u r yor iudgm en t to beleaue or refute , refuise, Neverthelesse | wch w hi ch I leaue vnto yor yo u r iudgm en t to beleaue or refuise, refute , Neverthelesse |
there bee some verie aunciente Authors , w hi ch Authors, wch make menc i on | there bee some verie aunciente Authors, wch Authors , w hi ch make menc i on |
of those thinges , thinges, and some moderne , w hi ch moderne, wch by comparinge of | of those thinges, thinges , and some moderne, wch moderne , w hi ch by comparinge of |
them w i th wth the p re sente tymes experience and there owne | them wth w i th the p re sente tymes experience and there owne |
reason reason, doe open a windowe of greate light vnto the rest | reason, reason doe open a windowe of greate light vnto the rest |
that is yett vnseene . vnseene, as namelie of the oulder Cesar | that is yett vnseene, vnseene . as namelie of the oulder Cesar |
Strabo Tacitus Ptolomie Plinnie , Pompeus , Plinnie, Pompeus, Mela & Berosus | Strabo Tacitus Ptolomie Plinnie, Pompeus, Plinnie , Pompeus , Mela & Berosus |
of the latter , Vincentius , Æneas Siluius Lutt Aneas Siluius, Lu OB Luddus | of the latter , Vincentius Aneas Siluius, Lu OB , Æneas Siluius Lutt Luddus |
& Buckhanan , of all w hi ch wch I doe giue most Credite | & Buckhanan , of all wch w hi ch I doe giue most Credite |
vnto Buckynan Buckhanam that he him self beinge an Irishe scott , scott, | vnto Buckhanam Buckynan that he him self beinge an Irishe scott, scott , |
or Pike by nation , nation, and being beinge verie excellentelie | or Pike by nation, nation , and beinge being verie excellentelie |
learned and industrious to seeke oute the truth of these | learned and industrious to seeke oute the truth of these |
thinges concerninge the originall of his owne people , people, hath | thinges concerninge the originall of his owne people, people , hath |
both sett downe the testymonies of the Auncientes trulie , trulie, and his | both sett downe the testymonies of the Auncientes trulie, trulie , and his |
owne opynion ^ w i th all wthall verie reasonablie , reasonablie, though in some thinges he doth | owne opynion wthall ^ w i th all verie reasonablie, reasonablie , though in some thinges he doth |
somewhat flatter . flatter: Besides the Bardes and Irishe Cronicles | somewhat flatter: flatter . Besides the Bardes and Irishe Cronicles |
them selues , selues, though through throughe desyre of pleasing pleasinge p er happs to too | them selues, selues , though throughe through desyre of pleasinge pleasing p er happs too to |
much and ignorance of arte and pure learninge , learninge, they haue | much and ignorance of arte and pure learninge, learninge , they haue |
concluded the truth of those tymes , tymes, yett there appearethe | concluded the truth of those tymes, tymes , yett there appearethe |
amongst them some reliques of the true antiquitie , antiquitie, though | amongst them some reliques of the true antiquitie, antiquitie , though |
disguised, w hi ch wth a well eyde man may happelye discou er | disguised, wth w hi ch a well eyde man may happelye discou er |
and fynde out : out: | and fynde out: out : |
Eudox: How can there bee any truth in them at all since | Eudox: How can there bee any truth in them at all since |
the Auncient Aunciente nations w hi ch wch first in habited inhabited Ireland were | the Aunciente Auncient nations wch w hi ch first inhabited in habited Ireland were |
altogeather | altogeather |
Folio 25v | Folio 25v |
altogeather destitute of l et ett res much more of learninge , learninge, by w hi ch wch | altogeather destitute of l ett et res much more of learninge, learninge , by wch w hi ch |
they mighte leaue the veritie of thinges written , written, And those | they mighte leaue the veritie of thinges written, written , And those |
bardes cominge also so manie hundred yeres after could not knowe | bardes cominge also so manie hundred yeres after could not knowe |
what was done in form er ages , ages, nor deliu er certaintie of anie thinges thinge | what was done in form er ages, ages , nor deliu er certaintie of anie thinge thinges |
but what they fayned out of theire owne vnlearned heades : heades: | but what they fayned out of theire owne vnlearned heades: heades : |
Iren Those bardes indeed Caesar writeth , Cæsar writeth, deliu er noe certaine | Iren Those bardes indeed Cæsar writeth, Caesar writeth , deliu er noe certaine |
truth of any thinge neither neyther is there anye certaine hold to | truth of any thinge neyther neither is there anye certaine hold to |
bee taken of any Antiquitie w hi ch wch is rereceyued by tradicon , tradicon, | bee taken of any Antiquitie wch w hi ch is rereceyued by tradicon, tradicon , |
since all men bee lyers and maye lye when they will but | since all men bee lyers and maye lye when they will but |
yet for Auncientnes of the written Cronicles of Ireland , Ireland, | yet for Auncientnes of the written Cronicles of Ireland, Ireland , |
giue me leaue to saye somethinge not to them iustifie iustefie them, but | giue me leaue to saye somethinge not to them iustefie iustifie them, but |
to tshow show that some of them might saye truth , ffor truth, For where | to show tshow that some of them might saye truth, For truth , ffor where |
yee saye that the Irishe haue alwaies bene w i th out wthout l et res , yee ett res, yee | yee saye that the Irishe haue alwaies bene wthout w i th out l ett res, yee et res , yee |
are there in therein much deceaued , deceaued, for yt is certaine that Ireland | are therein there in much deceaued, deceaued , for yt is certaine that Ireland |
hath hadh had the vse of l et ett res verie auncyentlie and longe before | hath had hadh the vse of l ett et res verie auncyentlie and longe before |
England. England: | England: England. |
Eudox: Is yt possible, how comes yt then that they are soe | Eudox: Is yt possible, how comes yt then that they are soe |
so barbarous still and so vnlearned vnlearned, beinge so old scollers ffor scollers: For | so barbarous still and so vnlearned, vnlearned beinge so old scollers: For scollers ffor |
learninge as the poet sayth : Poet sayth: Emollit mores nec sinit esse feros | learninge as the Poet sayth: poet sayth : Emollit mores nec sinit esse feros |
whence then I praye yow could yow haue those l et res :: ett res:: | whence then I praye yow could yow haue those l ett res:: et res :: |
Iren: Iren : It is hard to saye for whether they at there first | Iren : Iren: It is hard to saye for whether they at there first |
marginal letter? cominge com m inge into the land , land, or afterwardes by tradinge w i th wth other | com m inge marginal letter? cominge into the land, land , or afterwardes by tradinge wth w i th other |
nacons w hi ch wch had l et res , ett res, learned them of them , them, or deuised the m | nacons wch w hi ch had l ett res, et res , learned them of them, them , or deuised the m |
amongest them selues selues, yt is verie doubtfull doubtfull: but that they had | amongest them selues, selues yt is verie doubtfull: doubtfull but that they had |
l et ett res auncientlie , auncientlie, It is nothinge doubtfull, doubt full, for the ~~ -- | l ett et res auncientlie, auncientlie , It is nothinge doubt full, doubtfull, for the -- ~~ |
Saxons of England are said to haue theire l et ett res and learning | Saxons of England are said to haue theire l ett et res and learning |
and learned men , men, from the Irishe . Irishe, and that also appeareth | and learned men, men , from the Irishe, Irishe . and that also appeareth |
by the lykenes of the Carracter , Carracter, for the Saxons character charracter | by the lykenes of the Carracter, Carracter , for the Saxons charracter character |
is the same w hi ch the Irishe , wth the Irishe, Now the Scythians neu er as I can read | is the same wth the Irishe, w hi ch the Irishe , Now the Scythians neu er as I can read |
of ould, had l et ett res amongst them , them, for yt semeth that they had them from the | of ould, had l ett et res amongst them, them , for yt semeth that they had them from the |
nacon w hi ch wch came out of spaine , spaine, for in Spaine there was as as, (Strabo | nacon wch w hi ch came out of spaine, spaine , for in Spaine there was as, as (Strabo |
writeth l et ett res auncentlie vsed , vsed, whether brought into them by the ~~ -- | writeth l ett et res auncentlie vsed, vsed , whether brought into them by the -- ~~ |
Phenicians Phen OB cians or the Parsians w hi ch wch, (as yt appeareth by him ) him) had same some | Phen OB cians Phenicians or the Parsians wch, w hi ch (as yt appeareth by him) him ) had some same |
footinge there , there, or from Marsiles , w hi ch Marsiles, wch is said to haue bene inhabited | footinge there, there , or from Marsiles, wch Marsiles , w hi ch is said to haue bene inhabited |
by the Greekes , Greekes, and from them to haue had the Greeke charracter | by the Greekes, Greekes , and from them to haue had the Greeke charracter |
of the w hi ch Marsilianes wch Marsilianus It is said , said, that the Gaules learned them them, first | of the wch Marsilianus w hi ch Marsilianes It is said, said , that the Gaules learned them, them first |
and vsed onelie for the fartherance furtherance of there trades and private businesse busynesse | and vsed onelie for the furtherance fartherance of there trades and private busynesse businesse |
for the Gaules (as is stronglie to bee proued by many ancyent and verie | for the Gaules (as is stronglie to bee proued by many ancyent and verie |
athenticall writers ) writers) did first in habite inhabite all the sea cost of Spaine even | athenticall writers) writers ) did first inhabite in habite all the sea cost of Spaine even |
vnto Cales & the mouth of the straighte straightes and peopled also a great agreat p ar te of | vnto Cales & the mouth of the straightes straighte and peopled also agreat a great p ar te of |
Italie OB | OB Italie |
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26 Italie wch appeareth by sundrye cytties and havens in Spaine, called of them, | Italie wch appeareth by sundrye cytties and havens in Spaine, called of them, 26 |
Italie w hi ch appeareth as Portingallia, Gallecia, Galdun um , called of them and havens in Spaine also by sundrye cytties sondrye nacons therein | as Portingallia, Gallecia, Galdun um Italie w hi ch appeareth by sondrye nacons therein sundrye cytties and also havens in Spaine , called of them |
dwellinge, wch yet haue reserued there owne names of the h Gaules : as Portugallia , Gallecia, Galduu m , and also by sondrye nacons therein | as Portugallia , Gallecia, Galduu m , and also by sondrye nacons therein |
the G Gaules , as Rhegine Presamarie Tamariti Nerij and dyverse others. All wch | dwellinge, w hi ch yet haue it serued there owne names of the Rhegine Presamarie Tamariti Nerij and dyverse others. All wch G Gaules , as |
the Rhegine Presamarie Tumariti Nerij and dyverse others . All w hi ch Pompeus Mela : beinge him self a Spanyard, yet saith to haue | Pompeus Mela : beinge him self a Spanyard, yet saith to haue the Rhegine Presamarie Tumariti Nerij and dyverse others . All w hi ch |
Pompeus Mela beinge him self a Spanyard discended from the Colties of France , yet saith whereby it is to haue be gathered, that | discended from the Colties of France Pompeus Mela beinge him self a Spanyard , whereby it is yet saith to be gathered, that haue |
that nation wch came out of france , whoereby it is to be gathered , Spaine into Ireland were antientlie | discended from the Colties of Spaine into Ireland were antientlie france , whoereby it is to be gathered , that nation wch came out |
Gaules, and that nation w hi ch came out of Spaine into Ireland were autientlie they brought wth them those l ett res wch they had lear | that they brought wth them those l ett res wch they had lear nation w hi ch came out of Spaine into Ireland were autientlie |
Gaules , and that they brought w i th them those l et res w hi ch they had lear ned in Spaine, first into Ireland, the wch some also saye doe much | ned in Spaine, first into Ireland, the wch some also saye doe much Gaules , and that they brought w i th them those l et res w hi ch they had lear |
ned in Spaine , first into Ireland , resemble the w hi ch some also saye doe much old Phenetian Character, beinge likwise distinguished | resemble ned in Spaine , first into Ireland , the old Phenetian Character, beinge likwise distinguished w hi ch some also saye doe much |
resemble wth pricke and accent, as theires ancientlie, but the old Phenetian character , beinge likwise distinguished further | wth pricke and accent, as theires ancientlie, but resemble the further old Phenetian character , beinge likwise distinguished |
w i th pricke and accent , as theires ancientlie , but the further | w i th pricke and accent , as theires ancientlie , but the further |
enquirye thereof nedeth a place of longer discourse then this our | enquirye thereof nedeth a place of longer discourse then this our |
shorte conference .. conference:: | shorte conference:: conference .. |
Eudox: Surelie yow haue showed a greate agreat p ro babillitie of that w hi ch wch I | Eudox: Surelie yow haue showed agreat a greate p ro babillitie of that wch I w hi ch |
had thought ympossible to haue bene proued , proued, but that w hi ch wch yow now saye | had thought ympossible to haue bene proued, proued , but that wch w hi ch yow now saye |
that Ireland should haue bene peopled w i th wth the Gaules , semeth much | that Ireland should haue bene peopled wth w i th the Gaules , semeth much |
more strange; for all there Cronicles Cronicles, doe saye that the west and | more strange; for all there Cronicles, Cronicles doe saye that the west and |
south was possessed and inhabyted of Spanyardes and Cornelius Tacitus | south was possessed and inhabyted of Spanyardes and Cornelius Tacitus |
also doth stronglie affyrme the same , same, all w hi ch wch yee must eyther | also doth stronglie affyrme the same, same , all wch w hi ch yee must eyther |
overthrowe and falcefie falsefie or renounce yo u r opinion yor opinion: | overthrowe and falsefie falcefie or renounce yor opinion: yo u r opinion |
Iren Irenn: Neyther so nor so , so, for the Irishe Cronicles as I said vnto yo the m | Irenn: Iren Neyther so nor so, so , for the Irishe Cronicles as I said vnto the m yo |
yow beinge made by vnlearned men , men, and writinge thinges according | yow beinge made by vnlearned men, men , and writinge thinges according |
to the apparance of the truth w hi ch wch they comceyued conceyued doe err in | to the apparance of the truth wch w hi ch they conceyued comceyued doe err in |
the Cyrcumstances , the Cyrcumstances, not in the matter , ffor matter, For all that came | the Cyrcumstances, the Cyrcumstances , not in the matter, For matter , ffor all that came |
out of Spaine (they beinge noe deligente searchers vnto into the | out of Spaine (they beinge noe deligente searchers into vnto the |
differences of the Nations , Nations) supposed to be Spanyardes , Spanyardes, & so called | differences of the Nations) Nations , supposed to be Spanyardes, Spanyardes , & so called |
them , them, but the ground worke thereof is neu er the lesse thelesse (as I said | them, them , but the ground worke thereof is neu er thelesse the lesse (as I said |
trewe and certaine how eu er the they through theire owne vanitie | trewe and certaine how eu er they the through theire owne vanitie |
ignorance disguise the same , same, or through theire owne vanitie | ignorance disguise the same, same , or through theire owne vanitie |
whilst they would not seme to be ignorant , ignorant, doe therevpon there vpon | whilst they would not seme to be ignorant, ignorant , doe there vpon therevpon |
build and enlarge manye forged histories of theire owne | build and enlarge manye forged histories of theire owne |
Antiquitie , w hi ch Antiquitie, wch they do deliu er to fooles and make them beleue | Antiquitie, wch Antiquitie , w hi ch they do deliu er to fooles and make them beleue |
them for true , true, as for exsample , exsample, that first of all one Gathelus | them for true, true , as for exsample, exsample , that first of all one Gathelus |
the sonne of Cerropes , or Argos , who having married the | the sonne of Cerropes , or Argos , who having married the |
kinge Kinge of Egippes daughter , Egipps daughter, thence sayled w i th wth her into | Kinge kinge of Egipps daughter, Egippes daughter , thence sayled wth w i th her into |
Spaine and theire inhabyted , when inhabyted, Then that of Nemed , Nemed, | Spaine and theire inhabyted, Then inhabyted , when that of Nemed, Nemed , |
and his fower sonnes sonns who Cominge out ^ of Scythia | and his fower sonns sonnes who Cominge out ^ of Scythia |
peopled | peopled |
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Cominge out of Scythia peopled Ireland and Inhabyted | Cominge out of Scythia peopled Ireland and Inhabyted |
yt w i th wth his ij sonnes sonns twoe hundred and fyftye . yeres , fyfty e OB yeres, till he | yt wth w i th his ij sonns sonnes twoe hundred and fyfty e OB yeres, fyftye . yeres , till he |
was overcome of the Geannte Geanntes dwellinge then in Ireland | was overcome of the Geanntes Geannte dwellinge then in Ireland |
and out and at last quite banished and rooted out , out, After whom twoe | and and out at last quite banished and rooted out, out , After whom twoe |
hundred yeres the sonns of one dela Dela beinge Scythian Scythians | hundred yeres the sonns of one Dela dela beinge Scythians Scythian |
arryved there againe and possessed the whole land | arryved there againe and possessed the whole land |
of w hi ch wch the youngest called slaymus and slaynius in the ende | of wch w hi ch the youngest called slaynius in slaymus and the ende |
made him self mornarch lastlie of the iiij sones | made him self mornarch lastlie of the iiij sones |
of Milesius kinge of Spaine , w hi ch Spaine, wch conquered that land from | of Milesius kinge of Spaine, wch Spaine , w hi ch conquered that land from |
the Scythians and inhabytinge yt w i th spannardes wth spanyardes called yt | the Scythians and inhabytinge yt wth spanyardes w i th spannardes called yt |
of the youngest Heberous , ffi Heberous, Hi Hibernia All w hi ch wch are in | of the youngest Heberous, Hi Heberous , ffi Hibernia All wch w hi ch are in |
truthe mere fables , fables, and verie Melisian lyes as (as the | truthe mere fables, fables , and verie Melisian lyes (as as the |
latine proverbe ys , ffor ys) For was there never such a kinge | latine proverbe ys) For ys , ffor was there never such a kinge |
of spaine , spaine, called Milesius , Milesius, nor any such Colonie seated w i th wth | of spaine, spaine , called Milesius, Milesius , nor any such Colonie seated wth w i th |
his sonnes as they faine , faine, that can ever be proued : proued: But yett | his sonnes as they faine, faine , that can ever be proued: proued : But yett |
vnder these tales yee maye in a mann er see the truth lurke ffor lurke; For | vnder these tales yee maye in a mann er see the truth lurke; For lurke ffor |
scythians here inhabytinge in habytinge, they name and doe speake of | scythians here in habytinge, inhabytinge they name and doe speake of |
Spanyarde , Spanyardes, whereby appeareth , appeareth, that both those nacons here | Spanyardes, Spanyarde , whereby appeareth, appeareth , that both those nacons here |
inhabyted . inhabyted. But whether verie spanyardes as (as the Irishe | inhabyted. inhabyted . But whether verie spanyardes (as as the Irishe |
greatlye effect , effecte, ys noe waye to be proued : proued: | greatlye effecte, effect , ys noe waye to be proued: proued : |
Eudox Eudox: Whence com m eth yt then that the Irishe Irish doe so greatlie | Eudox: Eudox Whence com m eth yt then that the Irish Irishe doe so greatlie |
covet to fetch their them selves from the Spanyardes , Spanyardes, since the | covet to fetch them their selves from the Spanyardes, Spanyardes , since the |
ould Gaules are a more Ancyente Ancyente, and much more honer honora | ould Gaules are a more Ancyente, Ancyente and much more honora honer |
ble nacon : nacon: | ble nacon: nacon : |
Iren: Even of a verie desyre of Newfanglenesse and vanytie for | Iren: Even of a verie desyre of Newfanglenesse and vanytie for |
beinge ; beinge; as they theye are now accounted the most barborous nac i on | beinge; beinge ; as theye they are now accounted the most barborous nac i on |
in Christendome , Christendome, they to avoyde that reproch would decyve d e ryve | in Christendome, Christendome , they to avoyde that reproch would d e ryve decyve |
them selues from the Spanyard , whome Spanyard, whom they now to see b to | them selues from the Spanyard, whom Spanyard , whome they now to see to b |
bee a verie averie honorable people , people, and next bordringe vnto | bee averie a verie honorable people, people , and next bordringe vnto |
them . them. But all that is most vaine , vaine, for from the Spany | them. them . But all that is most vaine, vaine , for from the Spany |
ard that now is , is, is come from as . rude and salvage nacon nacons | ard that now is, is , is come from as . rude and salvage nacons nacon |
as they , as they, there beinge beinge, as yt maye be gathered by course | as they, as they , there beinge, beinge as yt maye be gathered by course |
of ages , of ages, and veiwe of theire owne historie (though the they | of ages, of ages , and veiwe of theire owne historie (though they the |
therein laboure , laboure, much to ennoble them selues ) selues) havinge | therein laboure, laboure , much to ennoble them selues) selues ) havinge |
scarce scarse any dropp of the ould Spainnishe Spanishe bloode lefte | scarse scarce any dropp of the ould Spanishe Spainnishe bloode lefte |
in them : them: | in them: them : |
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27 in them: For all spaine was first conquered by the Romaines | in them: For all spaine was first conquered by the Romaines 27 |
in them : ffor all spaine was first conquered by the Romaines and fylled wth Collon i es from them, wch were still increased | and fylled wth Collon i es from them, wch were still increased in them : ffor all spaine was first conquered by the Romaines |
and fylled w i th Colloni es from them , w hi ch were the natiue Spanyard still increased cutt of: Afterwardes the | and the natiue Spanyard fylled w i th Colloni es from them , w hi ch were still cutt of: Afterwardes the increased |
and the natiue Spanyard still cutt of : After wardes the Carthagynians in all the longe Punick warrs, havinge spoyled | Carthagynians in all the longe Punick warrs, havinge spoyled and the natiue Spanyard still cutt of : After wardes the |
all Spaine, and in the longe Punick warrs havinge spoyled ende subdued yt wholie to them | Carthagynians in all Spaine, and the ende subdued yt wholie to them longe Punick warrs havinge spoyled |
selues, did (as yt wholie to them is likelie) roote OB te out all Spaine , and in the ende subdued that were affected | all that were affected Spaine , and in the ende subdued yt is likelie) roote OB te out wholie to them |
selues , did (as yt is likelie ) roote ..te out all that were affected to the Romaines. And lastlie, the Romaines havinge againe | to the Romaines. And lastlie, the Romaines havinge againe selues , did (as yt is likelie ) roote ..te out all that were affected |
to the Romaines . And lastlie , the Romaines havinge againe recovered that Carthagynians Countrye, and bett out Hannyball | recovered that Carthagynians Countrye, and bett out Hannyball to the Romaines . And lastlie , the Romaines havinge againe |
recovered did doubtlesse cutt of all that had favoured the Carthagynians Countrye , and lett out Hannyball | did doubtlesse cutt of all recovered that had favoured the Carthagynians Countrye , and lett out Hannyball |
did doubtlesse cutt of all so that had favored the Carthagynians betwext them both, to and froo: there was scarse a | so did doubtlesse cutt of all that betwext them both, to and froo: there was scarse a had favored the Carthagynians |
so that betwext them both to and froo there was scarse a natyve Spanyard lefte but all inhabyted of Romaines. | natyve Spanyard lefte but all inhabyted of Romaines. so that betwext them both to and froo there was scarse a |
natyve Spanyard lefte but all inhabyted All wch tempestes of Romaines . troubles beinge overblowen, there | All wch tempestes natyve Spanyard lefte but all inhabyted of troubles beinge overblowen, there Romaines . |
All w hi ch tempeste of troubles beinge overblowen , there longe after arose anewe storme more dreadfull then all | longe after arose anewe storme more dreadfull then all All w hi ch tempeste of troubles beinge overblowen , there |
longe after arose anewe storme . more dreadfull then the form er , wch overran all Spaine and made an Infynite | the form er , wch overran longe after arose anewe storme . more dreadfull then all Spaine and made an Infynite |
confusion, of all Spaine and made an Infynite thinges, That was the form er , w hi ch overran com m inge downe | the com m inge downe form er , w hi ch overran all thinges, That was Spaine and made an Infynite |
of the Gothes , the Hunes, and Van dals , and lastlie all thinges , That was the com m inge downe | confusion of the Gothes , the Hunes, and Van dals , and lastlie all thinges , That was the com m inge downe |
the Nations of the Gothes , the Hunes , and Vandals , and lastlie all Scythia, wch like a mountaine fludd did | of Scythia, wch like a mountaine fludd did the Gothes , the Hunes , and Vandals , and lastlie all |
the Nations of Scythia , w hi ch like a mountaine fludd did overflowe all Spainee, and quite drownde and washt | overflowe all Spainee, and quite drownde and washt the Nations of Scythia , w hi ch like a mountaine fludd did |
overflowe all Spainee , and quite drownde and washt | overflowe all Spainee , and quite drownde and washt |
awaye what ever relickes there were lefte of the | awaye what ever relickes there were lefte of the |
landbred people , people, yea and of all the Romaines too , too, The | landbred people, people , yea and of all the Romaines too, too , The |
w hi ch wch Northerne Nacons Nacons, fyndinge the complex i on of that | wch w hi ch Northerne Nacons, Nacons fyndinge the complex i on of that |
soyle , soyle, and the vehement heate there farr diffringe | soyle, soyle , and the vehement heate there farr diffringe |
from there natures , natures, tooke noe felycitie in the countrie | from there natures, natures , tooke noe felycitie in the countrie |
but from thence passed over over, and did spread them selues | but from thence passed over, over and did spread them selues |
into all countries in Chr ist endome , endome, of all w hi ch wch there is none | into all countries in Chr ist endome, endome , of all wch w hi ch there is none |
but hath some mixture and sprincklenge , sprincklinge, yf not through | but hath some mixture and sprincklinge, sprincklenge , yf not through |
peopling of them . them. And yett after all those the Moores | peopling of them. them . And yett after all those the Moores |
and barbarians breaking over out of Africa , did finallie | and barbarians breaking over out of Africa , did finallie |
possesse all of spaine , p spaine, or the most p ar te thereof . thereof, and | possesse all p spaine, of spaine , or the most p ar te thereof, thereof . and |
treade downe vnder theire foule heathinshe feete , heathnishe feete, what | treade downe vnder theire foule heathnishe feete, heathinshe feete , what |
ever little they found there yet standinge . standinge, the w hi ch wch | ever little they found there yet standinge, standinge . the wch w hi ch |
though afterward they were beaten beaten, out by fferdinando Ferdinando | though afterward they were beaten, beaten out by Ferdinando fferdinando |
of A Arago A OB go n , and Elizabeth his wyfe , wyfe, yett they were | of A A OB go Arago n , and Elizabeth his wyfe, wyfe , yett they were |
not so clensed , clensed, but that thorowe the marriages w hi ch wch | not so clensed, clensed , but that thorowe the marriages wch w hi ch |
they had made and mixture w hi ch wth the people of the | they had made and mixture wth w hi ch the people of the |
land Land: | Land: land |
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lande duringe theire longe contynewance there , there, they had left lefte | lande duringe theire longe contynewance there, there , they had lefte left |
noe pure dropp of Spanishe blood ; not blood, noe nor of Romaine nor | noe pure dropp of Spanishe blood, noe blood ; not nor of Romaine nor |
Scythan . Scythan. so that of all nac i ons vnder heaven J I suppose the Spa in ** disappears into gutter. Span | Scythan. Scythan . so that of all nac i ons vnder heaven I J suppose the Span Spa in ** disappears into gutter. |
yard is the most mingled , mingled, most vncertaine and most bastard bastardlie | yard is the most mingled, mingled , most vncertaine and most bastardlie bastard |
where fore wherefore most folishelie , do folishlie, doe the Irishe thincke to eno ble ennoble | wherefore where fore most folishlie, doe folishelie , do the Irishe thincke to ennoble eno ble |
them selues , selues, by wrestinge theire Auncestrye from the Spa niard Spanyard | them selues, selues , by wrestinge theire Auncestrye from the Spanyard Spa niard |
who is vnhable to deryve him self from any ^ nacon certaine nac i on certaine, | who is vnhable to deryve him self from any nac i on certaine, ^ nacon certaine |
Eudox Eudox: Yow speake verie sharplie Irenius in dishonor of the | Eudox: Eudox Yow speake verie sharplie Irenius in dishonor of the |
Spanyarde , Spanyarde, whom some other bost to be the onelie braue soul dyer soldyer | Spanyarde, Spanyarde , whom some other bost to be the onelie braue soldyer soul dyer |
vnder skye : skye: | vnder skye: skye : |
Iren: So surelie he is averie braue man neyther is that | Iren: So surelie he is averie braue man neyther is that |
w hi ch wch I speake anye thinge to his derogacon : ffor derogacon: For in that | wch w hi ch I speake anye thinge to his derogacon: For derogacon : ffor in that |
I said he is a mingled people and compounded w i th others wth others: | I said he is a mingled people and compounded wth others: w i th others |
ffor For yt was a singuler prouidence of God , God, and a most admira | For ffor yt was a singuler prouidence of God, God , and a most admira |
ble purpose of his wysdome to drawe those Northerne | ble purpose of his wysdome to drawe those Northerne |
heathen nacons downe into these Cristyan Christyan p ar tes where | heathen nacons downe into these Christyan Cristyan p ar tes where |
they might receyve Chaistyanitie , Christyanitie, and to mingle nations | they might receyve Christyanitie, Chaistyanitie , and to mingle nations |
so remote , so remote, so myracculouslie to make as yt were one ~~ -- | so remote, so remote , so myracculouslie to make as yt were one -- ~~ |
kynred and blood of all people , people, and each to haue knowle dge knowledg | kynred and blood of all people, people , and each to haue knowledg knowle dge |
of him : him: | of him: him : |
Eudox: Neither haue yow sure any more dishonored the Irishe | Eudox: Neither haue yow sure any more dishonored the Irishe |
for yow haue brought them from verie great and auncye nt auncyent | for yow haue brought them from verie great and auncyent auncye nt |
nac i ons , ons, as any were in the world , world, how ever fondlie they | nac i ons, ons , as any were in the world, world , how ever fondlie they |
affecte the Spanyard . ffor Spanyard: For both the Scythians and the | affecte the Spanyard: For Spanyard . ffor both the Scythians and the |
Gaules were twoe as mightie nacons as ever the | Gaules were twoe as mightie nacons as ever the |
world brought forth . forth. But is theire any token denominac i on | world brought forth. forth . But is theire any token denominac i on |
or monem monum en t of the Gaules yett remayninge in Ireland as | or monum monem en t of the Gaules yett remayninge in Ireland as |
there theire is of Scythians : Scythians: | theire there is of Scythians: Scythians : |
Iren Yea surelie verie manie : ffor manie: For theire is first in the | Iren Yea surelie verie manie: For manie : ffor theire is first in the |
Irishe languaige manye wordes of Gaulles remayninge Galles remayning | Irishe languaige manye wordes of Galles remayning Gaulles remayninge |
and yett dalie vsed in Com m on speach , | and yett dalie vsed in Com m on speach , |
Eudox: Whie , Whie, what was the Gallish speach ~ Is .- Iis there any | Eudox: Whie, Whie , what was the Gallish speach .- Iis ~ Is there any |
p ar te of yt still vsed amongst any o a nac i on | p ar te of yt still vsed amongst any a o nac i on |
Iren: | Iren: |
Folio 28r | Folio 28r |
28 Iren: The Gallishe speach is the verie Brittishe, the wch was | Iren: The Gallishe speach is the verie Brittishe, the wch was 28 |
Iren: The Gallishe speach is the verie Brittishe , the w hi ch was | Iren: The Gallishe speach is the verie Brittishe , the w hi ch was |
gen er allie vsed here in all Bryttanie before the cominge ^ in the Saxons, and yett is retayned of the Welchmen the -- | the Saxons, and yett is retayned gen er allie vsed here in all Bryttanie before the cominge ^ in of the Welchmen the -- |
the Saxons , Cornishemen and yett is retayned the Bryttons of the welchmen the ~~ Fraunce, though tyme | Cornishemen the Saxons , and the Bryttons yett is retayned of Fraunce, though tyme the welchmen the ~~ |
Cornishemen workinge alteracon of ffraunce , though tyme all thinges and the Bryttons tradinge and -- | workinge alteracon Cornishemen and the tradinge and -- Bryttons of all thinges ffraunce , though tyme |
workinge alteracon of all thinges and the tradinge and ~~ enterdeale wth other nac i ons rounde aboute haue changed | enterdeale wth other nac i ons rounde aboute haue changed workinge alteracon of all thinges and the tradinge and ~~ |
enterdeale w hi ch other nac i ons rounde aboute haue changed and greatlie altered the dyalecte thereof, but yett the | and greatlie altered the dyalecte thereof, but yett the enterdeale w hi ch other nac i ons rounde aboute haue changed |
and greatlie altered the dyalecte thereof , but yett the oridginall wordes appeare to bee the same, as whoe that | oridginall wordes appeare to bee the same, as whoe that and greatlie altered the dyalecte thereof , but yett the |
oridginall wordes appeare list to bee the same , as whoe that reade in Cambden or Buckanam maye see at large: | list oridginall wordes appeare to reade in Cambden or Buckanam maye see at large: bee the same , as whoe that |
list to reade in Cambde n or Buckanam maye see at large : | list to reade in Cambde n or Buckanam maye see at large : |
Besides there bee manye places, as havens hills townes and | Besides there bee manye places, as havens hills townes and |
Castles w hi ch wch yett beare name from the Galles of the w hi ch wch | Castles wch w hi ch yett beare name from the Galles of the wch w hi ch |
Buckana m n rehearseth aboue three hundred in Scotland , Scotland, and | Buckana n m rehearseth aboue three hundred in Scotland, Scotland , and |
I can I thincke recounte neere as many in Ireland : Ireland: More | I can I thincke recounte neere as many in Ireland: Ireland : More |
over there bee of the ould Galles certaine nations yett | over there bee of the ould Galles certaine nations yett |
remayninge in Ireland , w hi ch Ireland, wch detaine the ould denominacons | remayninge in Ireland, wch Ireland , w hi ch detaine the ould denominacons |
of the Galles , Galles, as the Manapij: the Canei the venti, Manapij : the Canci , the Venti , and | of the Galles, Galles , as the Manapij : the Canci , the Venti , Manapij: the Canei the venti, and |
others , others, by all w hi ch , wch and manye others verye reasonable p ro babilli | others, others , by all wch w hi ch , and manye others verye reasonable p ro babilli |
ties , w hi ch ties, wch this shorte course will not suffer to be layde | ties, wch ties , w hi ch this shorte course will not suffer to be layde |
forthe , forthe, yt appeareth appeareth, that the cheif inhabytantes in ~~ -- | forthe, forthe , yt appeareth, appeareth that the cheif inhabytantes in -- ~~ |
Ireland , Irland, were Gaules Galles cominge thyther first from Spaine | Irland, Ireland , were Galles Gaules cominge thyther first from Spaine |
and afterwardes from beside Tannis where the Goathes Go OB thes | and afterwardes from beside Tannis where the Go OB thes Goathes |
the Hunns and the Getes satt downe , theye downe, theye, all so beinge (as | the Hunns and the Getes satt downe, theye, downe , theye all so beinge (as |
yt is said ) said) of some anciente Galles , Galles, and lastlie passing | yt is said) said ) of some anciente Galles, Galles , and lastlie passing |
out of Gallia yt self from all the seacoste seacostes of Belgia | out of Gallia yt self from all the seacostes seacoste of Belgia |
and Celtica into all the Southerne coste costes of Ireland w hi ch wch | and Celtica into all the Southerne costes coste of Ireland wch w hi ch |
they possessed and inhabyted inhabyted, where vpon yt is at this | they possessed and inhabyted, inhabyted where vpon yt is at this |
daye amongst ^ all the Irishe a Comon vse to call any strang e | daye amongst ^ all the Irishe a Comon vse to call any strang e |
inhabytante in habytante there av ab amongst them Gald , Gald, that is ~ - | in habytante inhabytante there ab av amongst them Gald, Gald , that is - ~ |
discended of ^ from the Gaules : Gaules: | discended of ^ from the Gaules: Gaules : |
Eudox: This is verie likelie ffor likelie, For even so did these gaules | Eudox: This is verie likelie, For likelie ffor even so did these gaules |
ancyentlie possesse and ... OB people all the Southerne | ancyentlie possesse and OB ... people all the Southerne |
costes Costes of our Bryttaine w hi ch wch yett retaine theire | Costes costes of our Bryttaine wch w hi ch yett retaine theire |
ould names names, as the Belga in Tou Som er sht shyre , setshyre, Wilshire | ould names, names as the Belga in Som Tou er setshyre, sht shyre , Wilshire |
and p ar te of Hamshire . Hamshire. Atrebatij in Barkshire , Barkshire, Regni | and p ar te of Hamshire. Hamshire . Atrebatij in Barkshire, Barkshire , Regni |
in Sussex : | in Sussex : |
Folio 28v | Folio 28v |
in Sussex and Sus Surrey w hi ch wth manie others , others, Now thus far r? farr | in Sussex and Sus Surrey wth w hi ch manie others, others , Now thus farr far r? |
I vnderstande yo u r yor openyon that the Scythians planted in | I vnderstande yor yo u r openyon that the Scythians planted in |
the North p ar te tes of Ireland , Ireland, the Spanyard (for soe wee will | the North p ar tes te of Ireland, Ireland , the Spanyard (for soe wee will |
call them what ever they were that came from spaine ) Spaine) in | call them what ever they were that came from Spaine) spaine ) in |
the West , the West, the Gaules in the South . South. So that there now | the West, the West , the Gaules in the South. South . So that there now |
remayneth onelye the east p ar te towardes Englande , w hi ch Englande, wch | remayneth onelye the east p ar te towardes Englande, wch Englande , w hi ch |
I would be gladd to vnderstand from whom yee thicke : thincke: | I would be gladd to vnderstand from whom yee thincke: thicke : |
Iren: Marie from the Brittons them selues , selues, of w hi ch wch though | Iren: Marie from the Brittons them selues, selues , of wch w hi ch though |
theire bee lyttle footinge now remayninge by reason that | theire bee lyttle footinge now remayninge by reason that |
the Saxons ; afterwardes the Saxons; afterwardes, and lastlie the Englishe , Englishe, | the Saxons; afterwardes, the Saxons ; afterwardes and lastlie the Englishe, Englishe , |
dryvinge out all the first inhabitantes thereof in habitantes thereof, did possess possesse | dryvinge out all the first in habitantes thereof, inhabitantes thereof did possesse possess |
and people yt them selues , selues, yett amongst the Tooles | and people yt them selues, selues , yett amongst the Tooles |
the Brins the Cavanaghes and other nacons nacon nacons | the Brins the Cavanaghes and other nacons nacons nacon |
in Leinster there is some memorie of the bryttons | in Leinster there is some memorie of the bryttons |
remayninge remayning e ; As the Tooles of the old Brittishe word | remayning e remayninge ; As the Tooles of the old Brittishe word |
is called Toll , Toll, that is an hyllye countrye , countrye, The | is called Toll, Toll , that is an hyllye countrye, countrye , The |
Brins of the Brittish word brin , brin, that is wooddye , wooddye, and | Brins of the Brittish word brin, brin , that is wooddye, wooddye , and |
the Cavanaghes of Canne , Canne, that is stronge stronge, So the that | the Cavanaghes of Canne, Canne , that is stronge, stronge So that the |
in these three people , people, the verie denominacon of the | in these three people, people , the verie denominacon of the |
ould Bryttons doth still remaine , remaine, Besydes when a ny? any | ould Bryttons doth still remaine, remaine , Besydes when any a ny? |
flyeth vnder the succour or p ro tection of any aga inst? against | flyeth vnder the succour or p ro tection of any against aga inst? |
an enemye , enemye, he Cryeth vnto him Cummericke th at that | an enemye, enemye , he Cryeth vnto him Cummericke that th at |
is Brytton helpe , is Brytton helpe, for the Brytton is called in his | is Brytton helpe, is Brytton helpe , for the Brytton is called in his |
owne language Cummeraige ; further more languaige Cummeraige, furthermore to proue | owne languaige Cummeraige, furthermore language Cummeraige ; further more to proue |
the same Ireland is by dyodorus Siculus , Dyodorus Siculus, and | the same Ireland is by Dyodorus Siculus, dyodorus Siculus , and |
by Strabb called Bryttania , Bryttania, and a p ar te of grea te great | by Strabb called Bryttania, Bryttania , and a p ar te of great grea te |
Bryttaine Brytta i ne : ffynallie Fynallie it appeareth by good recorde | Brytta i ne Bryttaine : Fynallie ffynallie it appeareth by good recorde |
yett extant , extant, that kinge Arthure and before ~~ -- | yett extant, extant , that kinge Arthure and before -- ~~ |
him Gurggunte , Gurgunte, had all that Island Iland in his alleigea nce alleigeance | him Gurgunte, Gurggunte , had all that Iland Island in his alleigeance alleigea nce |
and subiection . Here vnto subiection. Herevnto I could add manye probabilli ties probabillities | and subiection. Herevnto subiection . Here vnto I could add manye probabillities probabilli ties |
of the names of places places: p er sons and speches as I did | of the names of places: places p er sons and speches as I did |
in the form er , but they should bee too longe for this | in the form er , but they should bee too longe for this |
place and I reserue them for another . another: And thus ~ - | place and I reserue them for another: another . And thus - ~ |
yee haue hard my opynion on how all the realme | yee haue hard my opynion on how all the realme |
of was first peopled . peopled, and by what nac i on , ~ on, - | of was first peopled, peopled . and by what nac i on, - on , ~ |
After | After |
Folio 29r | Folio 29r |
29 After all wch the Saxons suc c edinge did wholie subdue | After all wch the Saxons suc c edinge did wholie subdue 29 |
After all w hi ch the Saxons succedinge did wholie subdue yt vnto them selues, For first Egfryde Kinge of Northumb ria | yt vnto them selues, For first Egfryde Kinge of Northumb ria After all w hi ch the Saxons succedinge did wholie subdue |
yt vnto them selues ; ffor first Egfryde kinge of Northumb | yt vnto them selues ; ffor first Egfryde kinge of Northumb |
did vtterlye wast and subdue yt as appeareth out of | did vtterlye wast and subdue yt as appeareth out of |
Bedas complainte against him , him, And afterwardes kinge Kinge | Bedas complainte against him, him , And afterwardes Kinge kinge |
Edgarr brought yt vnder his obedyence, as appeareth | Edgarr brought yt vnder his obedyence, as appeareth |
by an ancient recorde in w hi ch wch yt is found written , written, that | by an ancient recorde in wch w hi ch yt is found written, written , that |
he subdued all the kingdomes Ilands Ilandes of the north ~ north- | he subdued all the kingdomes Ilandes Ilands of the north- north ~ |
even vnto Morwaye , Norwaye, and there kinge s did theire kinges dad bringe | even vnto Norwaye, Morwaye , and theire kinges dad there kinge s did bringe |
into his subiection :: subiection:: | into his subiection:: subiection :: |
Eudox : Eudox: This rippinge vpp of Anncestryes Auncestryes is verie | Eudox: Eudox : This rippinge vpp of Auncestryes Anncestryes is verie |
pleasinge vnto me , me, and indeed savoreth of good conceite | pleasinge vnto me, me , and indeed savoreth of good conceite |
and some readinge w i th all , wthall, I see hereby how p ro fytable | and some readinge wthall, w i th all , I see hereby how p ro fytable |
travell and experience of forraine nacons is to him | travell and experience of forraine nacons is to him |
that will applye them to good purpose . purpose, Neyther | that will applye them to good purpose, purpose . Neyther |
indeed would I haue thoughte that any such antiquities | indeed would I haue thoughte that any such antiquities |
could haue have bene avouched for the Irishe , Irishe, that maketh | could have haue bene avouched for the Irishe, Irishe , that maketh |
mee the more to longe longe, to see some other of yo u r yor obser | mee the more to longe, longe to see some other of yor yo u r obser |
vacons w hi ch yet vacons, wch yee haue gathred out of that countrye , countrye, and | vacons, wch yee vacons w hi ch yet haue gathred out of that countrye, countrye , and |
haue earste halff half promized to put forth and sure in | haue earste half halff promized to put forth and sure in |
this minglinge of nations appeareth appeareth, (as yow ear ea r st | this minglinge of nations appeareth, appeareth (as yow ea r ear st |
well noted ) noted) a wounderfull provydence and prupose purpose | well noted) noted ) a wounderfull provydence and purpose prupose |
of almighte almightie god that stirred vpp the people in | of almightie almighte god that stirred vpp the people in |
the farthest p ar te of the world , world, to seeke out these | the farthest p ar te of the world, world , to seeke out these |
rero regions . relo regions, so remote from them , them, and by that meanes | relo regions, rero regions . so remote from them, them , and by that meanes |
both to restore the decayed habytacons , habytacons, and to make | both to restore the decayed habytacons, habytacons , and to make |
him selfe self knowne to the eathen ; heathen, But was there I | him self selfe knowne to the heathen, eathen ; But was there I |
pray praye yow noe more gen er all impeoplinge of that | praye pray yow noe more gen er all impeoplinge of that |
Iland , Iland, then first by the Scythians, w hi ch wch yee saye | Iland, Iland , then first by the Scythians, wch w hi ch yee saye |
were the scottes . scottes, and afterwardes by the Afrycans | were the scottes, scottes . and afterwardes by the Afrycans |
besydes the Gaules , Gaules, Bryttons and Saxons : Saxons: | besydes the Gaules, Gaules , Bryttons and Saxons: Saxons : |
Iren Yes Iren: yes there was another and that the last and | Iren: yes Iren Yes there was another and that the last and |
the greatest ; w hi ch the greatest, wch was by the Englishe , Englishe, when | the greatest, wch the greatest ; w hi ch was by the Englishe, Englishe , when |
the Earle Strongbowe Strangbowe havinge conquered that | the Earle Strangbowe Strongbowe havinge conquered that |
land deliu er ed vpp the same vnto the handes of Henrye | land deliu er ed vpp the same vnto the handes of Henrye |
the second: | the second: |
Folio 29v | Folio 29v |
the second then kinge , Kinge, who sente over thither greate store | the second then Kinge, kinge , who sente over thither greate store |
of gentlemen , gentlemen, and other warlike people amongst whom | of gentlemen, gentlemen , and other warlike people amongst whom |
he distrybuted the lande and stled setled such a stronge Colonie | he distrybuted the lande and setled stled such a stronge Colonie |
therein and as never sence could w i th all wthall the subtill practi ces? practized | therein as and never sence could wthall w i th all the subtill practized practi ces? |
of the Irishe be routed rooted out but abyde still a mightie | of the Irishe be rooted routed out but abyde still a mightie |
people of so manye as remayne Englishe of them | people of so manye as remayne Englishe of them |
Eudox: What is that ye saye of so manye as remaine | Eudox: What is that ye saye of so manye as remaine |
Englishe of them , them, whye are not they that were once | Englishe of them, them , whye are not they that were once |
Englishe , Englishe, abydinge Englishe still :: still:: | Englishe, Englishe , abydinge Englishe still:: still :: |
Iren: Not Noe for the most p ar te of them are degen er ated and | Iren: Noe Not for the most p ar te of them are degen er ated and |
growen almost nere Irishe yea and more malycious | growen almost nere Irishe yea and more malycious |
Eudox: What heare I ? and is yt possible that an ~ to the Englishe then the verye Irishe them selfes | to the Englishe then the verye Irishe them selfes Eudox: What heare I ? and is yt possible that an ~ |
Eudox: What heare I ? and is yt possible that an - | Eudox: What heare I ? and is yt possible that an - |
Englishe man brought vpp naturallie in such | Englishe man brought vpp naturallie in such |
sweete civillitie as England , affordes , could England, affordes, coulde fynd | sweete civillitie as England, affordes, coulde England , affordes , could fynd |
such lykinge in that barbarous rudenes , barborous rudenes, that he | such lykinge in that barborous rudenes, barbarous rudenes , that he |
should forgett his owne nature and forgoe his owne | should forgett his owne nature and forgoe his owne |
nacon ? nacon,- how maye . mayey this bee ? - or what I praye yow | nacon,- nacon ? how mayey maye . this bee - ? or what I praye yow |
maye bee the cause hereof : hereof: | maye bee the cause hereof: hereof : |
Iren: Surlie Surelie nothinge but the first evill ordynance | Iren: Surelie Surlie nothinge but the first evill ordynance |
and Institucon coInstitucon of that comon wealth : com m on wealth: But thereof | and coInstitucon Institucon of that com m on wealth: comon wealth : But thereof |
now is here noe fytte place to speake leaste least by the | now is here noe fytte place to speake least leaste by the |
occasion thereof, offringe matter of a longe discourse | occasion thereof, offringe matter of a longe discourse |
wee might bee drawen from this that wee haue | wee might bee drawen from this that wee haue |
in hand , in hand, namelye the handlinge of abuses in the | in hand, in hand , namelye the handlinge of abuses in the |
Customes of Ireland :: Irelande:. | Customes of Irelande:. Ireland :: |
Eudox: In truth Irenius ye doe well remember the plott | Eudox: In truth Irenius ye doe well remember the plott |
of yo u r yor first purpose , purpose, but yet from that mee semes yee | of yor yo u r first purpose, purpose , but yet from that mee semes yee |
haue much swerued in all this longe discourse of the | haue much swerued in all this longe discourse of the |
first inhabytinge of Ireland , Ireland, for what is that to | first inhabytinge of Ireland, Ireland , for what is that to |
yo u r purpose ? yor purpose-:. | yor purpose-:. yo u r purpose ? |
Irenius Irenius: Trewlie verie materiall , materiall, for yf yow m ar ked the | Irenius: Irenius Trewlie verie materiall, materiall , for yf yow m ar ked the |
course of all that speach well yt was to shewe by | course of all that speach well yt was to shewe by |
what meanes the Customes that now are in Ireland | what meanes the Customes that now are in Ireland |
beinge | beinge |
Folio 30r | Folio 30r |
30 | 30 |
beinge some of them in deed verie strange and almost | beinge some of them in deed verie strange and almost |
heathynnishe , heathynnishe, were first brought in , in, and that was | heathynnishe, heathynnishe , were first brought in, in , and that was |
as I said by those nations , nations, from whom that Countrye was | as I said by those nations, nations , from whom that Countrye was |
first peopled for the dyfference of manners and customes | first peopled for the dyfference of manners and customes |
doth followe the difference of nacons and people , the people, The | doth followe the difference of nacons and people, The people , the |
w hi ch wch I haue declared , declared, vnto yow for to haue bene three | wch w hi ch I haue declared, declared , vnto yow for to haue bene three |
speciall , w hi ch speciall, wch seated them selues there , there, to wytte | speciall, wch speciall , w hi ch seated them selues there, there , to wytte |
first the Scythian , Scythian, then the Gaules and | first the Scythian, Scythian , then the Gaules and |
lastlie the Englishe . Englishe, Not w i th standing wthstanding that I | lastlie the Englishe, Englishe . Not wthstanding w i th standing that I |
am not ignorante , ignorante, that there were sondrie other | am not ignorante, ignorante , that there were sondrie other |
nacons , w hi ch nacons, wch gott footing , footing, in that lande , lande, of the w hi ch wch | nacons, wch nacons , w hi ch gott footing, footing , in that lande, lande , of the wch w hi ch |
there yett remayne dyverse great famillies and | there yett remayne dyverse great famillies and |
so p ar te septes of whom I will also in there prop er places make | septes so p ar te of whom I will also in there prop er places make |
mencon : menc i on: | menc i on: mencon : |
Eudox : Eudox: Yee bringe yo u r yor self Iren : Iren: verye well | Eudox: Eudox : Yee bringe yor yo u r self Iren: Iren : verye well |
into the waye againe . againe, Not w i th standing wthstanding that yt | into the waye againe, againe . Not wthstanding w i th standing that yt |
semeth that yee were never out of the waye : waye: But | semeth that yee were never out of the waye: waye : But |
now that yee haue passed through those antiquities | now that yee haue passed through those antiquities |
w hi ch wch I could haue wished not so soone ended , ended, begine -- | wch w hi ch I could haue wished not so soone ended, ended , begine -- |
when yee please to declare yo u r yow what Customes | when yee please to declare yow yo u r what Customes |
and manners haue bene deryved from those -- | and manners haue bene deryved from those -- |
nacons to the Irishe , Irishe, and w hi ch wch of them yee | nacons to the Irishe, Irishe , and wch w hi ch of them yee |
fynde falte w i th all. wthall: | fynde falte wthall: w i th all. |
Iren: I will then begine to Counte there Customes in | Iren: I will then begine to Counte there Customes in |
the same order , order, that I counted there nacons and | the same order, order , that I counted there nacons and |
first w i th wth the Scythian Scythian, or Scottishe manners | first wth w i th the Scythian, Scythian or Scottishe manners |
of the w hi ch wch there is one vse amongst them to kepe | of the wch w hi ch there is one vse amongst them to kepe |
theire Cattell and to lyve them selues the most | theire Cattell and to lyve them selues the most |
p ar te of the yeares in Bollies , pasturing vpon | p ar te of the yeares in Bollies , pasturing vpon |
the mountains mountaine and waste wild places , and wilde places, and | the mountaine mountains and waste wilde places, and wild places , and |
removinge still to freshe land as they haue ~~ -- | removinge still to freshe land as they haue -- ~~ |
depastured the form er dayes , the w hi ch appeareth ~~ dayes, the wch appeareth- | depastured the form er dayes, the wch appeareth- dayes , the w hi ch appeareth ~~ |
plaine to be the manner of the Scythians as | plaine to be the manner of the Scythians as |
yee maye reade in Olaus Magnnes of Io : Magnus et Io: | yee maye reade in Olaus Magnus et Io: Magnnes of Io : |
Boemus and yett is vsed amongst all the Tarta | Boemus and yett is vsed amongst all the Tarta |
rians | rians |
and the | and the |
Folio 30v | Folio 30v |
and the people aboute the Caspian sea , w hi ch Sea, wch are natur | and the people aboute the Caspian Sea, wch sea , w hi ch are natur |
allye Scythians to lyve in heardes as they call | allye Scythians to lyve in heardes as they call |
them , them, beinge the verie same that the Irishe | them, them , beinge the verie same that the Irishe |
Bollies are , are, dryvinge theire Cattell contynewallie | Bollies are, are , dryvinge theire Cattell contynewallie |
w i th them , wth them, and fedinge onlie onelie on theire white meates . meates: | wth them, w i th them , and fedinge onelie onlie on theire white meates: meates . |
Eudox: what faulte can ye fynde w i th with this Custom Custome | Eudox: what faulte can ye fynde with w i th this Custome Custom |
for though yt bee an ould Scythian vse yet it | for though yt bee an ould Scythian vse yet it |
is verye behoue full behouefull in this countrie of Ireland | is verye behouefull behoue full in this countrie of Ireland |
where there are greate mountaines and wast waist | where there are greate mountaines and waist wast |
deserte desertes, full of grasse , grasse, that the same should bee | desertes, deserte full of grasse, grasse , that the same should bee |
eaten downe and Nourishe Nourrishe manye thousand thowsand of | eaten downe and Nourrishe Nourishe manye thowsand thousand of |
Cattle , Cattle, for the goode of the whole realme | Cattle, Cattle , for the goode of the whole realme |
w hi ch wch cannot mee thinke thincke well bee any ^ other waye then | wch w hi ch cannot mee thincke thinke well bee any ^ other waye then |
by keping those Bollies (as as there yee haue - | by keping those Bollies as (as there yee haue - |
shewed : shewed: | shewed: shewed : |
Iren: But by this Custome of Bollyng there grow grewe | Iren: But by this Custome of Bollyng there grewe grow |
in the meane tyme maye greate Corxxe Co OB Enormities | in the meane tyme maye greate Co OB Corxxe Enormities |
vnto that com m on wealle ffor wealth: For first yf there bee | vnto that com m on wealth: For wealle ffor first yf there bee |
anye outlawes or losse people (as as they are never | anye outlawes or losse people as (as they are never |
w i th out wthout some w hi ch wch lyve vpon the same s OB e stealthes | wthout w i th out some wch w hi ch lyve vpon the s OB e same stealthes |
and spolyed and spoyled they are ever more suckored suckered and finde | and spoyled and spolyed they are ever more suckered suckored and finde |
releif onelye in those bollies beinge vpon the wais t? waist | releif onelye in those bollies beinge vpon the waist wais t? |
places , places, where as ells they should be dryven shortelie | places, places , where ells as they should be dryven shortelie |
to starue , to starue, or to come downe to the townes to seeke | to starue, to starue , or to come downe to the townes to seeke |
releif , releif, where by one meanes or another they | releif, releif , where by one meanes or another they |
would soone be Caught . taught. Besydes such stealthes of | would soone be taught. Caught . Besydes such stealthes of |
Cattle as they bringe comonlye to those Bollies | Cattle as they bringe comonlye to those Bollies |
where they are receyved readilie , readelie, and the theif | where they are receyved readelie, readilie , and the theif |
harbored from daunger danger of lawe or such offycers | harbored from danger daunger of lawe or such offycers |
as might light vpon him . him: Moreover the people | as might light vpon him: him . Moreover the people |
that liue thus in these Bollies growe thereby | that liue thus in these Bollies growe thereby |
the more barborous and liue more lycencyouslie | the more barborous and liue more lycencyouslie |
then they would in townes , townes, vsinge what meanes ~ - | then they would in townes, townes , vsinge what meanes - ~ |
they list , list, and practizing what mischeifes and v. v OB | they list, list , and practizing what mischeifes and v OB v. |
villanies | villanies |
Folio 31r | Folio 31r |
31 villanies they will eyther against the gou ern m en t theire | villanies they will eyther against the gou ern m en t theire 31 |
villanies they will eyther gen er m en t allie by theire combynacons, or against the gou private men, | gen villanies they will eyther against private men, the gou er allie by m en t theire combynacons, or |
gen er allie by theire combynacons , or against private men , | gen er allie by theire combynacons , or against private men , |
whome they maligne by stealinge theire goodes or | whome they maligne by stealinge theire goodes or |
murtheringe them selues : ffor selues: For there they thincke them | murtheringe them selues: For selues : ffor there they thincke them |
selves half exempted from lawe and obedyence and | selves half exempted from lawe and obedyence and |
havinge once tasted freedoms taisted freedome doe lyke a steare that | havinge once taisted freedome tasted freedoms doe lyke a steare that |
hath bene longe out of his yooke , yooke, grudge and repyne | hath bene longe out of his yooke, yooke , grudge and repyne |
ever after to come vnder hys his rule againe : againe: | ever after to come vnder his hys rule againe: againe : |
Eudox: By yo u r your speach Irenius I p er ceaue perceaue more evill | Eudox: By your yo u r speach Irenius I perceaue p er ceaue more evill |
come by these bollies , bollies, then good , good, by there grazinge . grazinge: | come by these bollies, bollies , then good, good , by there grazinge: grazinge . |
and therefore yt maye b welbe reformed , reformed, but that | and therefore yt maye b welbe reformed, reformed , but that |
must bee in his dewe course doe yow p ro ceed to the | must bee in his dewe course doe yow p ro ceed to the |
next . next: | next: next . |
Iren: They haue another custome from the Scythians | Iren: They haue another custome from the Scythians |
that is the wearinge of mantles and longe g ~ - | that is the wearinge of mantles and longe g - ~ |
glebbes w hi ch wch is a thicke curled bushe of haire hanginge | glebbes wch w hi ch is a thicke curled bushe of haire hanginge |
downe over there eyes , eyes, and monstrouslie disguisinge | downe over there eyes, eyes , and monstrouslie disguisinge |
them , w hi ch them, wch are both verie badd and hurtfull : hurtfull: | them, wch them , w hi ch are both verie badd and hurtfull: hurtfull : |
Eudox: doe Doe yee thinc ke thincke that the mantle cometh com m eth from | Eudox: Doe doe yee thincke thinc ke that the mantle com m eth cometh from |
the Scythians , ~ Scythians, - I would surelie thincke otherwise ; otherwise: | the Scythians, - Scythians , ~ I would surelie thincke otherwise: otherwise ; |
ffor For by that w hi ch wch I haue redd yt appeareth that | For ffor by that wch w hi ch I haue redd yt appeareth that |
most nations in the world anncyentlye auncyentlye vsed | most nations in the world auncyentlye anncyentlye vsed |
the mantle . ffor the Iewes the mantle. For the Jewes vsed yt as yee | the mantle. For the Jewes the mantle . ffor the Iewes vsed yt as yee |
maye reade reede of Elias mantle of | maye reede reade of Elias mantle of |
The Caldies also | The Caldies also |
vsed yt as yee maye read in dysodorus , Dyodorus, The | vsed yt as yee maye read in Dyodorus, dysodorus , The |
Egyptians lyke wise vsed yt as yee maye reade | Egyptians lyke wise vsed yt as yee maye reade |
in Herodus and maye be gathered , gathered, by the decypline | in Herodus and maye be gathered, gathered , by the decypline |
of Berenice ^in in the greeke Comentaries vpon Cally | of Berenice in ^in the greeke Comentaries vpon Cally |
machus , machus, The Greekes also vsed yt ancyentlie | machus, machus , The Greekes also vsed yt ancyentlie |
as appeareth by venus mantle lyned w i th wth starrs | as appeareth by venus mantle lyned wth w i th starrs |
though afterwarde afterwardes they changed the forme thereof | though afterwardes afterwarde they changed the forme thereof |
into theire Cloake Cloakes called Pallia as some of | into theire Cloakes Cloake called Pallia as some of |
the Irishe | the Irishe |
Folio 31v | Folio 31v |
the Irishe also vse ; vse, And the Auncyent latines and | the Irishe also vse, vse ; And the Auncyent latines and |
Romaines also vsed yt as ye maye reade in virgill | Romaines also vsed yt as ye maye reade in virgill |
who was a verie averie greate Atiquarie , Atiquarie, that Evander | who was averie a verie greate Atiquarie, Atiquarie , that Evander |
when AEneas Æneas came to him at his feast , feast, did entertaine | when Æneas AEneas came to him at his feast, feast , did entertaine |
and feast him on the ground , ground, and lyinge on mantles , mantles, | and feast him on the ground, ground , and lyinge on mantles, mantles , |
In so much as he vseth the verie worde Mantile , for | In so much as he vseth the verie worde Mantile , for |
a mantle , mantle, Mantilia humi steruunt , so that yt seameth | a mantle, mantle , Mantilia humi steruunt , so that yt seameth |
that the mantle habbitt was a gen er all agenerall habbite | that the mantle habbitt was agenerall a gen er all habbite |
to most nacons , nacons, and not prop er to the Sythians onelye as | to most nacons, nacons , and not prop er to the Sythians onelye as |
yet suppose ~~. yee suppose--. | yee suppose--. yet suppose ~~. |
Iren: I cannot denye but auncyentlie it was p...er proper com m on | Iren: I cannot denye but auncyentlie it was proper p...er com m on |
to most , most, and yet sythens disvsed and layd awaye : awaye: | to most, most , and yet sythens disvsed and layd awaye: awaye : |
But in this latter age of the world since the decay | But in this latter age of the world since the decay |
of the Romaine empyer empyer, yt was renewed and | of the Romaine empyer, empyer yt was renewed and |
brought in againe by those Northerne nations ; nations, | brought in againe by those Northerne nations, nations ; |
when breakinge out of there colde caues and frozen | when breakinge out of there colde caues and frozen |
habytacon into the sweate soyle of Europe , Europe, they | habytacon into the sweate soyle of Europe, Europe , they |
brought w i th wth them theire vsuall weedes weedes, fyt to | brought wth w i th them theire vsuall weedes, weedes fyt to |
sheyld the cold and that contynewall frost frost, to w hi ch wch | sheyld the cold and that contynewall frost, frost to wch w hi ch |
they had bene at home bene envred , envred, the w hi ch wch yet | they had bene at home bene envred, envred , the wch w hi ch yet |
they lefte not of , of, by reason that they were in ~ - | they lefte not of, of , by reason that they were in - ~ |
p er petuall warrs , w hi ch warrs, wth the nations where they hadd | p er petuall warrs, wth warrs , w hi ch the nations where they hadd |
invaded , invaded, but still removinge from place to place ~ - | invaded, invaded , but still removinge from place to place - ~ |
carryed alwaies w i th them , wth them, that weede as theire | carryed alwaies wth them, w i th them , that weede as theire |
howse , howse, there bed , bed, and theire garm ent en t , and Cominge ~ -- | howse, howse , there bed, bed , and theire garm en t ent , and Cominge -- ~ |
lastlie into , Ireland , into, Ireland, they found there more speciall | lastlie into, Ireland, into , Ireland , they found there more speciall |
vse thereof ; thereof, by reason of the rawe cold clymate | vse thereof, thereof ; by reason of the rawe cold clymate |
from whome yt is nowe growen into that gen er all vse | from whome yt is nowe growen into that gen er all vse |
in w hi ch wch that people who now haue yt . yt, Afterward the | in wch w hi ch that people now who haue yt, yt . Afterward the |
Afrycans succedinge , succeding, yet fynding the little ~ little-- | Afrycans succeding, succedinge , yet fynding the little-- little ~ |
necessitie | necessitie |
Folio 32r | Folio 32r |
32 of that garm en t , Contynewed the lyke vse thereof:: | of that garm en t , Contynewed the lyke vse thereof:: 32 |
of that garm en t , Contynewed the lyke vse thereof :: | of that garm en t , Contynewed the lyke vse thereof :: |
Eudox: Since then the necessitie thereof is so comodious | Eudox: Since then the necessitie thereof is so comodious |
as yee allege that yt is in steade of howsinge , howsinge, | as yee allege that yt is in steade of howsinge, howsinge , |
b beddinge , beddinge, and Clothinge , Clothinge, what reason haue | b beddinge, beddinge , and Clothinge, Clothinge , what reason haue |
yow then to wyshe , wyshe, so necessarie a thinge cast of : of: | yow then to wyshe, wyshe , so necessarie a thinge cast of: of : |
Iren: Because the Comodyties doth not Countervaile the | Iren: Because the Comodyties doth not Countervaile the |
discomoditie . ffor discomoditie. For the inconveniences w hi ch wch thereby doe | discomoditie. For discomoditie . ffor the inconveniences wch w hi ch thereby doe |
aryse , aryse, are much more manye , manye, for yt is a fitt howse | aryse, aryse , are much more manye, manye , for yt is a fitt howse |
for an outlawe , outlawe, a meete bedd for a rebell , rebell, and apte | for an outlawe, outlawe , a meete bedd for a rebell, rebell , and apte |
cloake for a theif . ffirst theif: First the owtlawe beinge for | cloake for a theif: First theif . ffirst the owtlawe beinge for |
his manye tymes crymes and villanies banished from | his manye tymes crymes and villanies banished from |
the Townes and howses of honest men , men, and wandring | the Townes and howses of honest men, men , and wandring |
in wast waste places farr from danger of lawe maketh | in waste wast places farr from danger of lawe maketh |
his mantle his howse , howse, and vnder yt covereth himself him self | his mantle his howse, howse , and vnder yt covereth him self himself |
from the wrathe of heaven , heaven, from the offence of the - | from the wrathe of heaven, heaven , from the offence of the - |
earth , earth, and from the sight of men , men, when yt rayneth | earth, earth , and from the sight of men, men , when yt rayneth |
yt is his pentice , yt is his pentice, when yt bloweth it is his tent , tent, - | yt is his pentice, yt is his pentice , when yt bloweth it is his tent, - tent , |
when yt frezeth frezeth, yt is his tabernacle , tabernacle, In sommer | when yt frezeth, frezeth yt is his tabernacle, tabernacle , In sommer |
he can weare yt loose , loose, in wynter he can wrapp | he can weare yt loose, loose , in wynter he can wrapp |
yt close , yt close, at all tymes he can vse yt never heavye , | yt close, yt close , at all tymes he can vse yt never heavye , |
never cumbersome . lykewise cumbersome. Lykewise for a rebell yt is | never cumbersome. Lykewise cumbersome . lykewise for a rebell yt is |
as servyceable . ffor servyceable: For in his warr that he ~~ -- | as servyceable: For servyceable . ffor in his warr that he -- ~~ |
maketh , maketh, (yf at least he yt deserue the name of | maketh, maketh , (yf at least he yt deserue the name of |
warr ) in the thycke woodes warr) when he still flyeth, from his foe and streight passages , | warr) when he still flyeth, from his foe warr ) in the thycke woodes and streight passages , |
waytinge for advantages , yt is his bedd , yea lurketh in the thycke woodes and streight passages, | lurketh in the thycke woodes waytinge for advantages , yt is his bedd , yea and streight passages, |
almost al waytinge for advantages, yt is his howshould stuffe . ffor the wood bedd, yea and | waytinge for advantages, yt almost al his bedd, yea and howshould stuffe . ffor the wood is |
his howse against almost all weathers , and his mantle his howshould stuffe: For the wood is | almost his howse against all his howshould stuffe: For the wood is weathers , and his mantle |
is his caue to slepe in : Therein he wrappethe his howse against all weathers, and his mantle | his howse against all weathers, and his mantle is his caue to slepe in : Therein he wrappethe |
is his self round and ensconceth him self .... strongly caue to slepe in: therein he wrappethe | his caue to slepe in: therein he wrappethe self round and ensconceth him self .... strongly |
his self round and ensconceth him self ro OB d strongly | his self round and ensconceth him self ro OB d strongly |
against | against |
Folio 32v | Folio 32v |
Letters obscured against the gnates, wch in gutter are supplied by conjecture the Countrye doe more annoye | against the gnates, wch Letters obscured in the Countrye doe more annoye gutter are supplied by conjecture |
against the grate , w hi ch in the Countrye doe more annoy the naked t OB rebells, whilst they kepe the woodes | the naked t OB rebells, whilst they kepe the woodes against the grate , w hi ch in the Countrye doe more annoy |
the naked .... rebels , whilst they kepe the woodes | the naked .... rebels , whilst they kepe the woodes |
and doe more sharpelie wound them then all theire | and doe more sharpelie wound them then all theire |
Enemies swordes or speares , w hi ch speares, wch can seldome - | Enemies swordes or speares, wch speares , w hi ch can seldome - |
come nigh them , them, yea and oftentymes their mantl e -theire mantle | come nigh them, them , yea and oftentymes -theire mantle their mantl e |
serveth them when they are nere dryven , dryven, beinge | serveth them when they are nere dryven, dryven , beinge |
wrapped aboute there lefte arme in steade of | wrapped aboute there lefte arme in steade of |
a Target for yt is hard to cutt thorowe yt w i th wth | a Target for yt is hard to cutt thorowe yt wth w i th |
a sworde, besides yt is light to beare lighte | a sworde, besides yt is light to beare lighte |
to throwe awaye , awaye, and beinge as they then como nlye comonlie | to throwe awaye, awaye , and beinge as they then comonlie como nlye |
are naked ; naked, it is to them all in all , all, lastlie for | are naked, naked ; it is to them all in all, all , lastlie for |
a theif yt is so hansome , hansome, as yt maye seme yt | a theif yt is so hansome, hansome , as yt maye seme yt |
was first invented for him . ffor him: For vnder yt he | was first invented for him: For him . ffor vnder yt he |
can clenlie conveye anye fytte pillaige , tha t pillaige, that | can clenlie conveye anye fytte pillaige, that pillaige , tha t |
cometh handsomelye in his waye , waye, and when he | cometh handsomelye in his waye, waye , and when he |
goeth abroad in the night on free bootinge , bootinge, yt is | goeth abroad in the night on free bootinge, bootinge , yt is |
his best and surest freind . ffor freind: For lyinge as they | his best and surest freind: For freind . ffor lyinge as they |
often doe , doe, twoe or three nightes togeather ab road a broad | often doe, doe , twoe or three nightes togeather a broad ab road |
to watch for there bootye w i th wth that they can | to watch for there bootye wth w i th that they can |
pprattelie p prattelie shroud them selues vnder a bushe or | p prattelie pprattelie shroud them selues vnder a bushe or |
a backsyde , backsyde, till they maye convenientlye do e doe | a backsyde, backsyde , till they maye convenientlye doe do e |
theire errand , errand, And when all is done , done, he can | theire errand, errand , And when all is done, done , he can |
in his mantle passe thorowe anye towne or | in his mantle passe thorowe anye towne or |
companye , companye, beinge those close hooded over his heade | companye, companye , beinge close those hooded over his heade |
as he vseth from knowledge of anye to whome he | as he vseth from knowledge of anye to whome he |
is endangered , endangered, Beesides all this he or any man | is endangered, endangered , Beesides all this he or any man |
ells that is disposed to mischeif or villanye | ells that is disposed to mischeif or villanye |
maye vnder his mantle goe p ri vilie , armed – vilie, armed- | maye vnder his mantle goe p ri vilie, armed- vilie , armed – |
w i th out wthout suspecion of any any, carrye his headpeace | wthout w i th out suspecion of any, any carrye his headpeace |
his skene or pystoll , pystoll, yf he please to bee alwayes | his skene or pystoll, pystoll , yf he please to bee alwayes |
in a reddynesse : reddynesse: Thus necessarie and fyttinge is a | in a reddynesse: reddynesse : Thus necessarie and fyttinge is a |
mantle for | mantle for |
Folio 33r | Folio 33r |
33 mantle for a badd man: And surelie for abadd huswif, yt is | mantle for a badd man: And surelie for abadd huswif, yt is 33 |
mantle for a badd man . And surelie for a badd huswif , yt is noe lesse convenient. For some of them that bee these wandring | noe lesse convenient. For some of them that bee these wandring mantle for a badd man . And surelie for a badd huswif , yt is |
noe lesse convenient . ffor some weomen, called of them that bee these wandring Monashut , yt is half a wardrobe: | weomen, called noe lesse convenient . ffor some of them Monashut , yt is half a wardrobe: that bee these wandring |
women , called of them Monashul , yt is half a wardrobe . For in Somn m er ye shall fynde her arayed comonlye but in | For in Somn m er ye shall fynde her arayed comonlye but in women , called of them Monashul , yt is half a wardrobe . |
ffor in Sommer ye shall fynde her arayed comonlye but in | ffor in Sommer ye shall fynde her arayed comonlye but in |
her smocke and mantle to bee more r readye for the light | her smocke and mantle to bee more r readye for the light |
seruices . seruices: In winter and in her travell , travell, yt is her cloke and | seruices: seruices . In winter and in her travell, travell , yt is her cloke and |
saifgare and also a coverlett for her lewde exercyse And | saifgare and also a coverlett for her lewde exercyse And |
when she hath fylled her vessell , Vessell, vnder yt shee can | when she hath fylled her Vessell, vessell , vnder yt shee can |
hyde both her burthenn and her blame . burthen and her blame, yea and when her | hyde both her burthen and her blame, burthenn and her blame . yea and when her |
bastarde is i borne yt serues in steade of all her ~ - | bastarde is i borne yt serues in steade of all her - ~ |
swadlinge cloute cloutes, and as for all other good women w hi ch wch | swadlinge cloutes, cloute and as for all other good women wch w hi ch |
loue to doe but lyttle worke worke, how hansome yt is to lye | loue to doe but lyttle worke, worke how hansome yt is to lye |
in and sleepe sleepe, or to louse them selues in the sunshine , sunshine, they | in and sleepe, sleepe or to louse them selues in the sunshine, sunshine , they |
that haue bene but a while in Ireland can well witnesse | that haue bene but a while in Ireland can well witnesse |
Sure I am that yee will thincke yt verie vnfytte for | Sure I am that yee will thincke yt verie vnfytte for |
good huswyves to stirr in or to busye her self about her | good huswyves to stirr in or to busye her self about her |
huswyferie in sorte as they should should., These bee some | huswyferie in sorte as they should., should These bee some |
of the abuses for w hi ch wch I would thincke yt meete to | of the abuses for wch w hi ch I would thincke yt meete to |
forbydd all mantells . mantells: | forbydd all mantells: mantells . |
Eudox: O evill mynded man ^that y t havinge reckoned vpp soe | Eudox: O evill mynded man y t ^that havinge reckoned vpp soe |
manye vses of mantles well mantles, will yee yett wishe yt to | manye vses of mantles, will mantles well yee yett wishe yt to |
bee abandoned , abandoned, Sure I thincke Diogines dishe did neu er | bee abandoned, abandoned , Sure I thincke Diogines dishe did neu er |
serue his m aste r more turnes , turnes, not w i th standinge wth standing that he | serue his m aste r more turnes, turnes , not wth standing w i th standinge that he |
made his dishe his Cupp , Cupp, his measure his waterpot , waterpott, | made his dishe his Cupp, Cupp , his measure his waterpott, waterpot , |
then a mantle amantle doth an Irishe man , man, but I see they bee all | then amantle a mantle doth an Irishe man, man , but I see they bee all |
to badd intentes intentes, and there fore therefore I will ioyne w i th wth yow in | to badd intentes, intentes and therefore there fore I will ioyne wth w i th yow in |
abollishinge it But what blame laye yow to thee | abollishinge it But what blame laye yow to thee |
glibb glibb, take heade I praye yow that yow bee not to busie | glibb, glibb take heade I praye yow that yow bee not to busie |
therew i th therewth, for feare of yo u r yor owne blame ; blame, seinge our English | therewth, therew i th for feare of yor yo u r owne blame, blame ; seinge our English |
men take yt vpp in such a ^ gen er all fashion , fashion, to weare theire | men take yt vpp in such a ^ gen er all fashion, fashion , to weare theire |
heare so vnmeasurablie longe , longe, that some of them | heare so vnmeasurablie longe, longe , that some of them |
exceed the longest Irish glibbes glibbes: | exceed the longest Irish glibbes: glibbes |
Iren: I feare not the blame of anye vnderserued mislikes , vndeserued mislikes, | Iren: I feare not the blame of anye vndeserued mislikes, vnderserued mislikes , |
but for the Irishe glibbes I saye that besydes there | but for the Irishe glibbes I saye that besydes there |
salvage bruttishnes and fylthynes , w hi ch fylthynes, wch is not to be blamed | salvage bruttishnes and fylthynes, wch fylthynes , w hi ch is not to be blamed |
named | named |
Folio 33v | Folio 33v |
named , named, they are fytte maskes as a mantle is for a theif : ffor theif: For | named, named , they are fytte maskes as a mantle is for a theif: For theif : ffor |
when soever whensoever hee hath run him self into that p er ill of law e lawe | whensoever when soever hee hath run him self into that p er ill of lawe law e |
that he will not bee knowen he eyther cutteth of his glibb e | that he will not bee knowen he eyther cutteth of his glibb e |
quite by w hi ch wch he becometh nothinge lyke him self , self, or pulleth | quite by wch w hi ch he becometh nothinge lyke him self, self , or pulleth |
yt so lowe downe over his eyes , eyes, that it is verie hard to | yt so lowe downe over his eyes, eyes , that it is verie hard to |
discerne his thevishe face countenance , countenance, And therefore | discerne his thevishe face countenance, countenance , And therefore |
fytte to bee trussed vpp w i th wth the mantle . mantle: | fytte to bee trussed vpp wth w i th the mantle: mantle . |
Eudox: Truelye these three Scythian abuses I hould fytt e fytte | Eudox: Truelye these three Scythian abuses I hould fytte fytt e |
to bee taken awaye w i th wth sharpe pennalties , pennalties, And sure I | to bee taken awaye wth w i th sharpe pennalties, pennalties , And sure I |
wounder how they haue bene kepte this longe , thus longe, not w i th stand wthstand | wounder how they haue bene kepte thus longe, this longe , not wthstand w i th stand |
inge so manye good provicons and orders as haue hoaue bene | inge so manye good provicons and orders as hoaue haue bene |
deuized , deuized, for that people . people: | deuized, deuized , for that people: people . |
Iren: The cause thereof shall appeare to yow hereafter hereafter. | Iren: The cause thereof shall appeare to yow hereafter. hereafter |
But lett vs now goe forward w i th wth oure Scythian custom es customes | But lett vs now goe forward wth w i th oure Scythian customes custom es |
of the next that I haue to treate of , of, is the manner | of the next that I haue to treate of, of , is the manner |
of the rasinge theire Ioye in theire Conflictes and at | of the rasinge theire Ioye in theire Conflictes and at |
other troble somes troblesomes of vprore vprore, The w hi ch wch is verie Natura l Naturall | other troblesomes troble somes of vprore, vprore The wch w hi ch is verie Naturall Natura l |
Scithians Scithian s as yee maye read in Diodorus Siculus , and | Scithian s Scithians as yee maye read in Diodorus Siculus , and |
Heroditus , discribinge the mann er of the Scithians and | Heroditus , discribinge the mann er of the Scithians and |
Perthians , cominge to OB giue the charge at theire battl es battells | Perthians , cominge to OB giue the charge at theire battells battl es |
at the w hi ch wch it is said , said, they came runninge w i th a tyrrible rvnninge wth atyrrible yell | at the wch w hi ch it is said, said , they came rvnninge wth atyrrible runninge w i th a tyrrible yell |
^ and hubbubbe , and Hubbubbe, as if heaven and earth would haue gone togeath er togeather | and Hubbubbe, ^ and hubbubbe , as if heaven and earth would haue gone togeather togeath er |
w hi ch wch is the verie waye Image of the Irishe hubbub Hubbubb | wch w hi ch is the verie waye Image of the Irishe Hubbubb hubbub |
w hi ch theire keirne wch theire Keirne vse at theire first encounter : encounter: | wch theire Keirne w hi ch theire keirne vse at theire first encounter: encounter : |
Besides the same herodotus Herodotus wryteth that they ~ they- | Besides the same Herodotus herodotus wryteth that they- they ~ |
vsed in theire battailes to call vppon vpon the names of | vsed in theire battailes to call vpon vppon the names of |
theire Captaines or Gen er alls and sometimes vpon theire | theire Captaines or Gen er alls and sometimes vpon theire |
greatest kinge deceased , Kinge deceased, as in that Battaile of | greatest Kinge deceased, kinge deceased , as in that Battaile of |
Tomyrys Tomyres against Cyrus , w hi ch wch custome to this daye | Tomyres Tomyrys against Cyrus , wch w hi ch custome to this daye |
manyfestlie appeareth OB amongst the Irishe : ffor Irishe: For | manyfestlie appeareth OB amongst the Irishe: For Irishe : ffor |
at theire Ioyninge of battle they lyke wise lykewise call | at theire Ioyninge of battle they lykewise lyke wise call |
vpon theire Captaines name or the name of h is his | vpon theire Captaines name or the name of his h is |
Anncestors , Auncestors, As they vnder Oneale crye ~ crye- | Auncestors, Anncestors , As they vnder Oneale crye- crye ~ |
Landergabo that is the bloodye hand w hi ch is Onea ls wch is Oneales | Landergabo that is the bloodye hand wch is Oneales w hi ch is Onea ls |
badge badge: | badge: badge |
Folio 34r | Folio 34r |
34 | 34 |
And to theire ensample the old Englishe | And to theire ensample the old Englishe |
also w i th wch theire remayneth haue gotten vpp their the ire cryes | also wch w i th theire remayneth haue gotten vpp the ire their cryes |
Scithian lyke , lyke, as Cromabo and Butlerabo , Butlerabo, And herein | Scithian lyke, lyke , as Cromabo and Butlerabo, Butlerabo , And herein |
all also lyeth open another verye manyfest proof , proof, that | also all lyeth open another verye manyfest proof, proof , that |
the Irishe or Scyths ar Scyths: or Scottes , ffor For in all theire encounters | the Irishe ar Scyths: or Scyths or Scottes , For ffor in all theire encounters |
they vse one verie comon word , com m on word, cryinge f F Ferragh ferragh | they vse one verie com m on word, comon word , cryinge F f Ferragh ferragh |
w hi ch wch is a scottishe worde to witt the name of one of | wch w hi ch is a scottishe worde to witt the name of one of |
theire first kinges Kinges of Scotland called Fergus or | theire first Kinges kinges of Scotland called Fergus or |
Ferragus , w hi ch wch fought against the Pickes as yee | Ferragus , wch w hi ch fought against the Pickes as yee |
maye read in Buckanam Buckanam, de Rebus Scoticis : Scoticis: But | maye read in Buckanam, Buckanam de Rebus Scoticis: Scoticis : But |
as others writte writte, yt was longe before , before, that the name | as others writte, writte yt was longe before, before , that the name |
of thei the i re cheif Capten , Capten, vnder whom they fought ~ fought- | of the i thei re cheif Capten, Capten , vnder whom they fought- fought ~ |
against the Afrycans the w hi ch Afrycans, the wch was then so fortunate | against the Afrycans, the wch Afrycans the w hi ch was then so fortunate |
vnto them , them, that ever sythens they haue vsed to call vpon vp p on | vnto them, them , that ever sythens they haue vsed to call vp p on vpon |
his name in theire Battailes . Battailes: | his name in theire Battailes: Battailes . |
Eudox: beleive me this observacon yo u r yor Irenius is verie good | Eudox: beleive me this observacon yor yo u r Irenius is verie good |
and delightfull delightfull, farr beyonde the blynde Conceyt of some | and delightfull, delightfull farr beyonde the blynde Conceyt of some |
who I remember haue vpon the same worde Farragh , haue | who I remember haue vpon the same worde Farragh , haue |
made a verie blunte coniecture . coniecture, as namelye mr Mr | made a verie blunte coniecture, coniecture . as namelye Mr mr |
Stanihurst , who though he bee the same Countryman | Stanihurst , who though he bee the same Countryman |
borne , borne, that should search more nearelie into the ~ - | borne, borne , that should search more nearelie into the - ~ |
secrete secretes of these thinges thinges, yett haue strayed from the | secretes secrete of these thinges, thinges yett haue strayed from the |
truth truth, all the heavens wyde , wyde; (as they saye ) . saye). for | truth, truth all the heavens wyde; wyde , (as they saye). saye ) . for |
hee there vpon therevpon groundeth a verie averie grosse ymadginacon , ymadginacon, | hee therevpon there vpon groundeth averie a verie grosse ymadginacon, ymadginacon , |
that the Irishe should discende from the Egyiptians Egiptians | that the Irishe should discende from the Egiptians Egyiptians |
w hi ch wch came into that Iland Iland, first vnder the leadinge | wch w hi ch came into that Iland, Iland first vnder the leadinge |
of Scota the daughter of Pharao , cryinge Ferragh | of Scota the daughter of Pharao , cryinge Ferragh |
Ferragh , Surelie he shott wyde on the bowe hand , hand, and | Ferragh , Surelie he shott wyde on the bowe hand, hand , and |
verie farr from the m ar ke : ffor ke: For I would first knowe knowe- | verie farr from the m ar ke: For ke : ffor I would first knowe- knowe |
of him what ancyente ground of aucthoritie he hath | of him what ancyente ground of aucthoritie he hath |
for such a sencelesse fable , fable, and yf he haue anye | for such a sencelesse fable, fable , and yf he haue anye |
of the rude Irishe bookes , bookes, as yt maye bee he hath | of the rude Irishe bookes, bookes , as yt maye bee he hath |
yett mee semes a man of his learning should not so | yett mee semes a man of his learning should not so |
lightlie haue bene carryed awaye w i th wth ould wyves | lightlie haue bene carryed awaye wth w i th ould wyves |
tailes | tailes |
Folio 34v | Folio 34v |
tailes from approvance of his owne reason : ffor whethe r reason: For whether | tailes from approvance of his owne reason: For whether reason : ffor whethe r |
Scota be like an AEgiptian: word , Ægiptian: word, or smacke of anye | Scota be like an Ægiptian: word, AEgiptian: word , or smacke of anye |
learninge or iudgm e nt en t , lett the learned iudge , iudge, But his | learninge or iudgm en t e nt , lett the learned iudge, iudge , But his |
Scota rather comes vpon the Greeke Scotes Scotos , th at that | Scota rather comes vpon the Greeke Scotes Scotos , that th at |
is darkenes w hi ch wch hath not lett him see the light of | is darkenes wch w hi ch hath not lett him see the light of |
the truth. truth: | the truth: truth. |
Irenius Irenius: Yow know not Eudox: Eudox : , how well mr M aste r Stannih: coud could | Irenius: Irenius Yow know not Eudox : Eudox: , how well M aste r mr Stannih: could coud |
see in the darke darke, p er happs he hath owles or Cattes ey es eyes | see in the darke, darke p er happs he hath owles or Cattes eyes ey es |
but well I wote he seeth not well the verie light in | but well I wote he seeth not well the verie light in |
matters of more weight weight: But as for Ferragh : I haue | matters of more weight: weight : But as for Ferragh I haue |
tould yow my coniecture onelye , onelye, and yett thus much | tould yow my coniecture onelye, onelye , and yett thus much |
I haue more to proue a lykelyhood , lykelyhood, that there bee ye t yett | I haue more to proue a lykelyhood, lykelyhood , that there bee yett ye t |
at this daye in Ireland Ireland, manye Irishe men cheif lie cheifelie | at this daye in Ireland, Ireland manye Irishe men cheifelie cheif lie |
in the Northerne p ar tes called by the name of Farrag h Farragh | in the Northerne p ar tes called by the name of Farragh Farrag h |
But lett that now bee , bee, this onelie for this place ~ - | But lett that now bee, bee , this onelie for this place - ~ |
suffyceth suffyceth, that yt is a worde aworde vsed in theire Como n Com m on | suffyceth, suffyceth that yt is aworde a worde vsed in theire Com m on Como n |
hubbubes the w hi ch w i th all Hubbubes, the wch wthall the rest is to be abollyshed abollished, | Hubbubes, the wch wthall hubbubes the w hi ch w i th all the rest is to be abollished, abollyshed |
for that yt discouereth an Irish affectacon of Irish Irishe -- | for that yt discouereth an Irish affectacon of Irishe -- Irish |
Captenrie w hi ch Captenrie, wch in this platforme I endeavor ~ -- | Captenrie, wch Captenrie w hi ch in this platforme I endeavor -- ~ |
speciallie to beate downe . downe, There bee other sortes | speciallie to beate downe, downe . There bee other sortes |
of cryes all so vsed amongst the Irishe , w hi ch Irishe, wch | of cryes all so vsed amongst the Irishe, wch Irishe , w hi ch |
savoure greatlie of Scithian: barbarisme , Scithian : barbarisme, as | savoure greatlie of Scithian : barbarisme, Scithian: barbarisme , as |
there lamentacons theire Lamentacons at theire burialls , w i th burialls, wth disparefull | theire Lamentacons there lamentacons at theire burialls, wth burialls , w i th disparefull |
outcryes , outcryes, and ymoderatee waylinges , ymoderate waylinges, the w hi ch mr wch m r | outcryes, outcryes , and ymoderate waylinges, ymoderatee waylinges , the wch m r w hi ch mr |
Stannihurst might also haue vsed , vsed, for an Arg um e nt Argum en t | Stannihurst might also haue vsed, vsed , for an Argum en t Arg um e nt |
to proue them AEgiptians w hi ch lamented Ægiptians wch lamented, for the de ath death | to proue them Ægiptians wch lamented, AEgiptians w hi ch lamented for the death de ath |
of Josephe . Iosephe. Others thincke this Custome Custome, to co me come | of Iosephe. Josephe . Others thincke this Custome, Custome to come co me |
from the Spanyardes , Spanyardes, for that they doe so immea sur immeasure | from the Spanyardes, Spanyardes , for that they doe so immeasure immea sur |
ablie lykewise bewaile theire deade . deade. But the sa me same | ablie lykewise bewaile theire deade. deade . But the same sa me |
is not proper spannishe , Spannishe, but altogeather heathe nish Heathenish | is not proper Spannishe, spannishe , but altogeather Heathenish heathe nish |
brought in first thither eyther by that the Scythians : | brought in first thither eyther by the that Scythians : |
or the Moores : w hi ch wch were Afrycanes , Afrycans, but longe | or the Moores : wch w hi ch were Afrycans, Afrycanes , but longe |
possessed that Countrie : ffor Countrie: For yt is the mann er of all | possessed that Countrie: For Countrie : ffor yt is the mann er of all |
Pagans , and Infidells , to bee yntemperate in there | Pagans , and Infidells , to bee yntemperate in there |
waylinges , waylinges, of theire dead , dead, for that they had noe | waylinges, waylinges , of theire dead, dead , for that they had noe |
faith | faith |
Folio 35r 35r; numbered "34" | 35r; numbered "34" Folio 35r |
35 faith nor hope of salvacon, and this yll custome also is -- | faith nor hope of salvacon, and this yll custome also is -- 35 |
faith nor hope of salvacon , and this yll custome also is ~ | faith nor hope of salvacon , and this yll custome also is ~ |
speciallye noted by Dyodorus Siculus to haue bene in | speciallye noted by Dyodorus Siculus to haue bene in |
the Scythians , and is yett amongst the Northerne Scottes | the Scythians , and is yett amongst the Northerne Scottes |
Eudox: This is an evill custome also but yett doth not | Eudox: This is an evill custome also but yett doth not |
so much concerne civill reformacon , reformacon, as abuse in religion relidgion | so much concerne civill reformacon, reformacon , as abuse in relidgion religion |
Iren: I did not rehearse yt as one of the abuses w hi ch wch I thought | Iren: I did not rehearse yt as one of the abuses wch w hi ch I thought |
most worth of reformacon , reformacon, but havinge made mencon | most worth of reformacon, reformacon , but havinge made mencon |
of Irishe cryes , cryes, I thought this manner of Cryinge and | of Irishe cryes, cryes , I thought this manner of Cryinge and |
howlinge not ymp er tynent to be noted as vncyvill | howlinge not ymp er tynent to be noted as vncyvill |
and Scythians and Scithians like : ffor For by these ould Customes , Customes, and other | and Scithians and Scythians like : For ffor by these ould Customes, Customes , and other |
lyke coniecturall Circumstances , Circumstances, the discentes of nacons | lyke coniecturall Circumstances, Circumstances , the discentes of nacons |
can onlie onelie be proved ; proved, where ofther monuments other monumentes of | can onelie onlie be proved, proved ; where other monumentes ofther monuments of |
wrytinge bee not remayninge : remayninge: | wrytinge bee not remayninge: remayninge : |
Eudox: then Then I praye yow when soever whensoever in yo u r discourse yow yor disourse yow | Eudox: Then then I praye yow whensoever when soever in yor disourse yow yo u r discourse yow |
meete w i th wth them by the waye doe not shune but boldlie | meete wth w i th them by the waye doe not shune but boldlie |
touch them : ffor them: For besydes theme theire greate pleasure and delight | touch them: For them : ffor besydes theire theme greate pleasure and delight |
for theire antyquitiee , antyquitie, they bringe also greate p ro fitt | for theire antyquitie, antyquitiee , they bringe also greate p ro fitt |
and helpe vnto Civillitie : Civillitie: | and helpe vnto Civillitie: Civillitie : |
Iren: Then sith yow will haue yt so I will heare take ~ - | Iren: Then sith yow will haue yt so I will heare take - ~ |
occasion since I latelie spake of theire mann er | occasion since I latelie spake of theire mann er |
of cryes cryes, in ioyinnge battaile ioyninge battaile, to s -- - speake also | of cryes, cryes in ioyninge battaile, ioyinnge battaile to s - -- speake also |
some what somewhate of the mann e r man n er of theire Armes and | somewhate some what of the man n er mann e r of theire Armes and |
arraye in Battaile w i th wth other customes p er happs | arraye in Battaile wth w i th other customes p er happs |
worth worthe the notinge ; notinge, And first of theire armes | worthe worth the notinge, notinge ; And first of theire armes |
and weapons , weapons, amongst w hi ch wch theire broade swordes | and weapons, weapons , amongst wch w hi ch theire broade swordes |
are prop er Scithian : ffor For such the Scythes vsed | are prop er Scithian : For ffor such the Scythes vsed |
comonlye as yee maye read , read, in Olaus magnns magnus | comonlye as yee maye read, read , in Olaus magnus magnns |
and the same also the ould Scottes used vsed as yee | and the same also the ould Scottes vsed used as yee |
maye read in Buchanam and in | maye read in Buchanam and in |
where the | where the |
pyctures of them are in the same forme expressed . expressed: | pyctures of them are in the same forme expressed: expressed . |
Also theire shorte bowes and little quivers w i th shorte wth shorte | Also theire shorte bowes and little quivers wth shorte w i th shorte |
bearded arrowes , arrowes, are verie Scythian as ye | bearded arrowes, arrowes , are verie Scythian as ye |
maye read in the same Olaus , and the same | maye read in the same Olaus , and the same |
bowes quivers quiuers & arrowes are at this daye to bee sene comonlie amongst the northerne .. | bowes quiuers quivers & arrowes are at this daye to bee sene comonlie amongst the northerne .. |
sorte both of ^ Irishe , Irishe, whose scottishe bowes are not | sorte both of Irishe, ^ Irishe , whose scottishe bowes are not |
past three quarters of a yeard longe w i th wth a stringe | past three quarters of a yeard longe wth w i th a stringe |
of wreathed hempe , hempe, slacklie bente and whose arrowes | of wreathed hempe, hempe , slacklie bente and whose arrowes |
are ar not | ar are not |
Folio 35v | Folio 35v |
are not about aboue half an elne longe typped w i th wth steale | are not aboue about half an elne longe typped wth w i th steale |
heades made like comon com m on broad arrowes heades , heades, but mu ch many | heades made like com m on comon broad arrowes heades, heades , but many mu ch |
more sharpe and slender , slender, that they enter into an Arm ed Armed | more sharpe and slender, slender , that they enter into an Armed Arm ed |
man or horse most crewellie , crewellie, not with standinge withstandinge that | man or horse most crewellie, crewellie , not withstandinge with standinge that |
they are shott forth weakelie , weakelie, More over theire longe | they are shott forth weakelie, weakelie , More over theire longe |
broade sheildes , sheildes, made but of wicker roddes w hi ch wch are com onlie como n lie | broade sheildes, sheildes , made but of wicker roddes wch w hi ch are como n lie com onlie |
vsed amongst thee said Northerne Irishe , Irishe, but spe cially specially | vsed amongst thee said Northerne Irishe, Irishe , but specially spe cially |
of the Scottes , Scottes, and brought from the Scythians as y ee yee | of the Scottes, Scottes , and brought from the Scythians as yee y ee |
maye reade in Olaus magnus Solinus , and other s others | maye reade in Olaus magnus Solinus , and others other s |
likewise Likewise theire goinge to battayle w i th out wthout Armour or on | Likewise likewise theire goinge to battayle wthout w i th out Armour on or |
theire bodies or heades , heades, but trusting onelie to the thickn es thicknes | theire bodies or heades, heades , but trusting onelie to the thicknes thickn es |
of theire glibbes , glibbs, the w hi ch wch they saye will sometymes | of theire glibbs, glibbes , the wch w hi ch they saye will sometymes |
beare of a good strooke , agood strooke, ys meere salvage and | beare of agood strooke, a good strooke , ys meere salvage and |
Scythian , Scythian, as yee maye see in the said Images of the | Scythian, Scythian , as yee maye see in the said Images of the |
ould Scythes , Scythes, or scottes : sett forth by Herodianus and ot hers others | ould Scythes, Scythes , or scottes : sett forth by Herodianus and others ot hers |
besides theire confused kynde of march in hea pes heapes | besides theire confused kynde of march in heapes hea pes |
w i th out wthout any order or arraye , arraye, theire Clashinge of | wthout w i th out any order or arraye, arraye , theire Clashinge of |
swordes togeather , theire feirre togeather, theire feirce rvnninge vppon th eire vpon theire | swordes togeather, theire feirce togeather , theire feirre rvnninge vpon theire vppon th eire |
Enemies , Enemies, and theire mann er of feighte , feighte, resembleth | Enemies, Enemies , and theire mann er of feighte, feighte , resembleth |
altogeather that w hi ch wch is radd redd in all histories to haue -- | altogeather that wch w hi ch is redd radd in all histories to haue -- |
bene vsed of the Scythians by w hi ch wch yt maye bee yt bee, yt | bene vsed of the Scythians by wch w hi ch yt maye bee, yt bee yt |
maye almost infallablie be gathered to geather w i th wth | maye almost infallablie be gathered to geather wth w i th |
other circumstances that OB the Irishe are verie Sco ttes Scotes | other circumstances that OB the Irishe are verie Scotes Sco ttes |
or Scythes oridginallie though sythense interming led sythence intermingled | or Scythes oridginallie though sythence intermingled sythense interming led |
w i th wth many other verie stronge coniectures nacons | wth w i th many other verie stronge coniectures nacons |
repayringe and Ioyninge vnto them . them, And to the v se vse | repayringe and Ioyninge vnto them, them . And to the vse v se |
I maye also add another verie stronge coniecture | I maye also add another verie stronge coniecture |
w hi ch wch cometh to my mynde , mynde, that I haue often obser ved observed | wch w hi ch cometh to my mynde, mynde , that I haue often observed obser ved |
there amongst them , them, that is , is, certaine rell rel relidgious cere mo ceremo | there amongst them, them , that is, is , certaine rel rell relidgious ceremo cere mo |
nies w hi ch wch are verie sup er stitiousllie stitiouslie yet vsed amongst | nies wch w hi ch are verie sup er stitiouslie stitiousllie yet vsed amongst |
them , them, the w hi ch wch are also wrytten by sundrie authors | them, them , the wch w hi ch are also wrytten by sundrie authors |
to haue bene obserued amongst the S..ions Scythia ns S OB cions Scythians | to haue bene obserued amongst the S OB cions Scythians S..ions Scythia ns |
by w hi ch wch yt maye verie vehementlie bee p re sumed | by wch w hi ch yt maye verie vehementlie bee p re sumed |
that the nacons were anncyentlie auncyentlie all one , ffor one, For | that the nacons were auncyentlie anncyentlie all one, For one , ffor |
Plutarch as I remember in his treatise of | Plutarch as I remember in his treatise of |
Homere Homeree , endeavoringe to search out the truth truth, | Homeree Homere , endeavoringe to search out the truth, truth |
what Countryman Homere was , was, proveth that yt m ost most | what Countryman Homere was, was , proveth that yt most m ost |
stronglie | stronglie |
Folio 36r 36r; numbered "35" | 36r; numbered "35" Folio 36r |
36 stronglie as he thincketh, that he was an Itollian - | stronglie as he thincketh, that he was an Itollian - 36 |
stronglie as he thincketh , borne, for that he was an Itollian ~ in distributinge of a sacrafice of the | borne, for stronglie as he thincketh , that in distributinge of a sacrafice of the he was an Itollian ~ |
borne , for that in dystributinge of a sacrafice of the Greekes, he omitted the called the wch | Greekes, he omitted the called the wch borne , for that in dystributinge of a sacrafice of the |
wthall the other grecians, saue onelie the Ætolians | wthall the other grecians, saue onelie the Ætolians |
w i th all the other grecians , saue onelie the Atolians doe vse to burne in theire sacryfice, Also for that | doe vse to burne in theire sacryfice, Also for that w i th all the other grecians , saue onelie the Atolians |
doe vse he maketh the entralls to burne in theire sacryfice , Also for that be rosted on fyve spites | he maketh the entralls doe vse to be rosted on fyve spites burne in theire sacryfice , Also for that |
he maketh the entralls to be rosted on fyre spite The wch was the proper mann er of the Ætolians , whoe | The wch was the proper mann er of the Ætolians , whoe he maketh the entralls to be rosted on fyre spite |
The w hi ch was the proper mann er of the AEtolians , whoo onelie of all the nations and Countries of Grecia | onelie of all the nations and Countries of Grecia The w hi ch was the proper mann er of the AEtolians , whoo |
onlie of vsed to sacrifice in that sorte, whereas all the nations and Countries of Grecia | vsed to sacrifice in that sorte, whereas onlie of all the nations and Countries of Grecia |
vsed to sacrifice in that sorte , whereas all the nations | vsed to sacrifice in that sorte , whereas all the nations |
and rest of the Greekes vsed to rost them vpon | and rest of the Greekes vsed to rost them vpon |
three spites . spites, by w hi ch wch he inferreth in ferreth necessarelie that | three spites, spites . by wch w hi ch he in ferreth inferreth necessarelie that |
homere was ane AEtolian . an Ætolian , And by the same reason may | homere was an Ætolian , ane AEtolian . And by the same reason may |
I as reasonablie conclude , conclude, that the Irishe are ~~ -- | I as reasonablie conclude, conclude , that the Irishe are -- ~~ |
discended from the Scithians , Scithians, for that they vse even | discended from the Scithians, Scithians , for that they vse even |
to this daye . daye, some of the same Ceremonies , w hi ch Ceremonies, wch is | to this daye, daye . some of the same Ceremonies, wch Ceremonies , w hi ch is |
the Scythians ancientlie vsed , vsed, as for example | the Scythians ancientlie vsed, vsed , as for example |
yee maye reade in in that sweete Dialogue | yee maye reade in in that sweete Dialogue |
w hi ch wch is entitled Toxaxis , or of frendshipp that the | wch w hi ch is entitled Toxaxis , or of frendshipp that the |
comon aoth com m on oath of the Scythians , Scythians, was by the sworde | com m on oath comon aoth of the Scythians, Scythians , was by the sworde |
and by the fyer , fyer, for that they accounted , accounted, those twoe | and by the fyer, fyer , for that they accounted, accounted , those twoe |
two speciall devine powers , w hi ch powres, wch should worke vengance | two speciall devine powres, wch powers , w hi ch should worke vengance |
on periurors , periurors, So doe the Irishe at this daye when | on periurors, periurors , So doe the Irishe at this daye when |
they goe to ani battaile , anye battaile, saye certaine prayers | they goe to anye battaile, ani battaile , saye certaine prayers |
or charmes to theire swordes makinge makeinge a Crosse | or charmes to theire swordes makeinge makinge a Crosse |
there w i th therewth vpon the Earth , Earth, and thrusting the pointe | therewth there w i th vpon the Earth, Earth , and thrusting the pointe |
of theire blade blades into the ground , ground, thincking thereby | of theire blades blade into the ground, ground , thincking thereby |
to haue the better successe in feight . feight; Also they theyf vse | to haue the better successe in feight; feight . Also theyf they vse |
to sweare comonlye com m onlye by theire swordes , swordes, likewise | to sweare com m onlye comonlye by theire swordes, swordes , likewise |
at the kyndlinge of Candles they saye certaine | at the kyndlinge of Candles they saye certaine |
prayers , prayers, and vse some other sup er stitius rightes , w hi ch rightes, wch | prayers, prayers , and vse some other sup er stitius rightes, wch rightes , w hi ch |
showe that they honor the fyer and the light lighte, | showe that they honor the fyer and the lighte, light |
for all those Northerne nacons having bene vsed | for all those Northerne nacons having bene vsed |
to haue bee anoyed w i th wth much colde and darkenesse | to haue bee anoyed wth w i th much colde and darkenesse |
are wonte therefore to haue the fyer and the sonne | are wonte therefore to haue the fyer and the sonne |
in greate veneracon , venerac i on, like as contrarie-wise , contrariwise, the | in greate venerac i on, veneracon , like as contrariwise, contrarie-wise , the |
Moores | Moores |
Folio 36v | Folio 36v |
Moores and Egiptians w hi ch wch are much offended and gre ued greved | Moores and Egiptians wch w hi ch are much offended and greved gre ued |
w i th wth much extreame heate of the Sune , sune, doe ever ie everie | wth w i th much extreame heate of the sune, Sune , doe everie ever ie |
morninge when the sune same ryseth fall to curs ing cursing | morninge when the same sune ryseth fall to cursing curs ing |
and banninge of him , him, as theire plague and ch ief cheif | and banninge of him, him , as theire plague and cheif ch ief |
scourge , scourge, Also the Scythians vsed when they wou ld would | scourge, scourge , Also the Scythians vsed when they would wou ld |
bynde anye solemne vowe , vowe, or Combynacon , Combynacon, to | bynde anye solemne vowe, vowe , or Combynacon, Combynacon , to |
drincke a bowle of blood, togeather vowinge there | drincke a bowle of blood, togeather vowinge there |
by to spende theire last bloode in that quarrell | by to spende theire last bloode in that quarrell |
And even so doe the wild scottes , scottes, as ye maye ~ - | And even so doe the wild scottes, scottes , as ye maye - ~ |
reade in Buchanam Buckhanam and some of the Notherne Northerne | reade in Buckhanam Buchanam and some of the Northerne Notherne |
Irishe likewise , Irish likewise, as yee maye also reade in | Irish likewise, Irishe likewise , as yee maye also reade in |
the same booke , o booke, O in the tale of Arsacomas that | the same booke, O booke , o in the tale of Arsacomas that |
yt was the manner of the Scythians when on OB | yt was the manner of the Scythians when OB on |
anye one of them was heavelie wronged and | anye one of them was heavelie wronged and |
would assemble vnto him anye forces of people to | would assemble vnto him anye forces of people to |
Ioyne w i th wth him in his revenge to sytte in in some | Ioyne wth w i th him in his revenge to sytte in in some |
publique place for certaine dayes vpon an oxehid e oxehyde | publique place for certaine dayes vpon an oxehyde oxehid e |
to w hi ch wch there would resorte all such p er sons as bei nge being | to wch w hi ch there would resorte all such p er sons as being bei nge |
disposed to take armes would enter inter into h is his | disposed to take armes would enter inter into his h is |
Armes would enter into his paye or ioyne w i th wth | Armes would enter into his paye or ioyne wth w i th |
him in his quarrell , quarrell, and the same yee maye like wi likewi | him in his quarrell, quarrell , and the same yee maye likewi like wi |
se reade to haue bene the ancient mann er of th e the | se reade to haue bene the ancient mann er of the th e |
wilde scottes w hi ch wch are indeed the verie naturall naturall- | wilde scottes wch w hi ch are indeed the verie naturall- naturall |
Irishe : more Irishe: More over the Scythians vsed to sw eare sweare | Irishe: More Irishe : more over the Scythians vsed to sweare sw eare |
by there kinges hande as as, Olaus sheweth shewe th , And | by there kinges hande as, as , Olaus shewe th sheweth And |
so doe the Irishe vse now vse to sweare by the ire there | so doe the Irishe vse now vse to sweare by there the ire |
lordes hand , hand, and to forsweare yt , yt, hold yt more | lordes hand, hand , and to forsweare yt, yt , hold yt more |
Cryminall then to sweare by god , god, Also the scyth | Cryminall then to sweare by god, god , Also the scyth |
ians said that they were once eu er ie yere turned into | ians said that they were once eu er ie yere turned into |
wolues , wolues, and so yt is written of the Irishe though | wolues, wolues , and so yt is written of the Irishe though |
mr M r Cambden : in a better sence doe suppose yt | M r mr Cambden : in a better sence doe suppose yt |
was deseaze , deseaze, called Ls H Hicanthropia , so named of | was deseaze, deseaze , called H Ls Hicanthropia , so named of |
the wolf and yet some of the Irishe doe vse to mak e make | the wolf and yet some of the Irishe doe vse to make mak e |
the wolf | the wolf |
Folio 37r 37r; page number partly cut off and illegible | 37r; page number partly cut off and illegible Folio 37r |
37 the wolf theire gossopp: The Scithians also vsed | the wolf theire gossopp: The Scithians also vsed 37 |
the most theire gossopp : The Scithians also vsed to seeththe fleshe in the hyde, and so doe the north | to seeththe fleshe in the hyde, and so doe the north the most theire gossopp : The Scithians also vsed |
Irishe, yet the Scithians likewise vsed to seeth the fleshe in the hyde, and so doe the north boyle | to boyle seeth the fleshe in the hyde, and so doe the north |
Irishe , yet the Scithians likewise vsed the bloode of the beast lyvinge, and to boyle make meate | the bloode of the beast lyvinge, and Irishe , yet the Scithians likewise vsed to make meate boyle |
the bloode of the beast lyvinge , thereof, and to make meate so doe the Irishe still in the north, - | thereof, the bloode of the beast lyvinge , and so doe the Irishe still in the north, - to make meate |
thereof , and so doe the Irishe still in the north , manye such customes I could recounte vnto yow as of | manye such customes I could recounte vnto yow as of thereof , and so doe the Irishe still in the north , |
manye such customes I could recounte vnto yow as of theire ould mann er of marryinge of burying of | theire ould mann er of marryinge of burying of manye such customes I could recounte vnto yow as of |
theire ould manner of marryinge of burying of dancinge, of singinge, of feastinge of cursinge, | dancinge, of singinge, of feastinge of cursinge, theire ould manner of marryinge of burying of |
dancinge , of singinge , of feastinge of cursinge , | dancinge , of singinge , of feastinge of cursinge , |
though Christyans haue wyped out the most p ar te of | though Christyans haue wyped out the most p ar te of |
them , them, by resemblance , resemblance, whereof yt might plainelie | them, them , by resemblance, resemblance , whereof yt might plainelie |
appeare , appeare, to yow that the nacons are the same , s a me, | appeare, appeare , to yow that the nacons are the s a me, same , |
but that by the reckoninge of these fewe w hi ch wch I haue | but that by the reckoninge of these fewe wch w hi ch I haue |
tould vnto yow yow, I fynde mye my OB speache drawen oute | tould vnto yow, yow I fynde my OB mye speache drawen oute |
to a greater lengthe , lengthe, then I purposed ; purposed: Thus much | to a greater lengthe, lengthe , then I purposed: purposed ; Thus much |
onelie for this tyme , tyme, I hope shall suffise yow to | onelie for this tyme, tyme , I hope shall suffise yow to |
thintke thincke that the Irishe are auncyentlie deduced | thincke thintke that the Irishe are auncyentlie deduced |
from the scythians . scythians:: | from the scythians:: scythians . |
Eudox: Eudox : Surelie Irenius I haue in these fewe wordes | Eudox : Eudox: Surelie Irenius I haue in these fewe wordes |
heard that from yow w hi ch wch I could haue thought had | heard that from yow wch w hi ch I could haue thought had |
bene ympossible to haue bene spoken of tymes | bene ympossible to haue bene spoken of tymes |
so remote , and Customes so auncyent , w i th auncyent, wth delight | so remote , and Customes so auncyent, wth auncyent , w i th delight |
whereof , whereof, I was all that while as yt weree | whereof, whereof , I was all that while as yt weree |
entranced and carried farr from my self , self, as that | entranced and carried farr from my self, self , as that |
I am now right sorye , sorye, that yee ended so soone , soone, | I am now right sorye, sorye , that yee ended so soone, soone , |
But I marvile much , how yt cometh com m eth to passe , passe, that | But I marvile much , how yt com m eth cometh to passe, passe , that |
in so longe Contrynewance Contynewance of tyme and manye | in so longe Contynewance Contrynewance of tyme and manye |
ages come betwene yett anye Iott of these those ould | ages come betwene yett anye Iott of those these ould |
Rytes and sup er stitious stions Customes should remaine amongst | Rytes and sup er stions stitious Customes should remaine amongst |
them : them: | them: them : |
Iren: It is noe cause of wounder at all , all, for yt is | Iren: It is noe cause of wounder at all, all , for yt is |
the manner of all barborous nacons nac i ons to be verie verie- | the manner of all barborous nac i ons nacons to be verie- verie |
sup er stitious and deligent observers of ould Customes | sup er stitious and deligent observers of ould Customes |
and antiquities | and antiquities |
Folio 37v | Folio 37v |
w hi ch wch they receaue by contynewall tradicon tradicon, from thire youth theire paren tes , | wch w hi ch they receaue by contynewall tradicon, tradicon , from theire paren tes thire youth |
by recordinge of theire bardes and Cronicles in theire | by recordinge of theire bardes and Cronicles in theire |
songes songes, and by dalie vse and ensample of theire eldesr eldest | songes, songes and by dalie vse and ensample of theire eldest eldesr |
elders :: elders:: | elders:: elders :: |
Eudox: But haue yow I praye yow obserued any such Custom Customes | Eudox: But haue yow I praye yow obserued any such Customes Custom |
amongst them brought likewise from the Spanyardes or | amongst them brought likewise from the Spanyardes or |
Gaules , Gaules, as those from the Spanyardes Scithians - that | Gaules, Gaules , as those from the Spanyardes Scithians - that |
Maye maye sure bee verie materiall to yo u r yor first purpose - | maye Maye sure bee verie materiall to yor yo u r first purpose - |
Iren: Some perhaps p er happs I haue , haue, and whoe that will by | Iren: Some p er happs perhaps I haue, haue , and whoe that will by |
this occasion more deligentlye marke and compare | this occasion more deligentlye marke and compare |
theire Customes , Customes, shall fynde manye more , more, But | theire Customes, Customes , shall fynde manye more, more , But |
theire are fower I thincke remayninge of the Gaules | theire are fower I thincke remayninge of the Gaules |
or Spanyardes , Spanyardes, then of the Scithians , By reason that | or Spanyardes, Spanyardes , then of the Scithians , By reason that |
the p ar te w hi ch tes wch they possessed lyinge vpon the Coast of the | the p ar tes wch te w hi ch they possessed lyinge vpon the Coast of the |
westerne and southerne sea , sea, were sythens contynewal contynewallie | westerne and southerne sea, sea , were sythens contynewallie contynewal |
visited w i th vysited wth strangers and forreyne people repayr in ge repay r ing | vysited wth visited w i th strangers and forreyne people repay r ing repayr in ge |
thither for trafficke , trafficke, and for fishinge w hi ch wch is verie | thither for trafficke, trafficke , and for fishinge wch w hi ch is verie |
plentifull vpon those Costes , Costes; for the trade and entered ale enterdeale | plentifull vpon those Costes; Costes , for the trade and enterdeale entered ale |
of seacost seacoste nacons one w i th wth another worketh more | of seacoste seacost nacons one wth w i th another worketh more |
civiltie , civiltie, and good fashiones , fashions, then the Inland dwel lers dwellers | civiltie, civiltie , and good fashions, fashiones , then the Inland dwellers dwel lers |
w hi ch wch are seldome seene of fforreyners , yet Forreyners, yett some of | wch w hi ch are seldome seene of Forreyners, yett fforreyners , yet some of |
such as I haue noted I will recounte vnto yow , A nd yow, And | such as I haue noted I will recounte vnto yow, And yow , A nd |
first I will for the better Credite of the rest rest, shewe y ow yow | first I will for the better Credite of the rest, rest shewe yow y ow |
one out of their theire statutes amongst w hi ch wch yt is enacted | one out of theire their statutes amongst wch w hi ch yt is enacted |
that noe man shall weare , weare, his beard onelie on in the | that noe man shall weare, weare , his beard onelie in on the |
vpper lipp like mustchachios , mustchachios, shavinge all the rest | vpper lipp like mustchachios, mustchachios , shavinge all the rest |
of his chinne . chine: And this was the auncient mann er manner | of his chine: chinne . And this was the auncient manner mann er |
of the Spanyarde of the Spanyardes as yet yett it is of all the mahom e mahome | of the Spanyardes of the Spanyarde as yett yet it is of all the mahome mahom e |
tans , tans, to cutt all theire beardes close , close, saue onelie | tans, tans , to cutt all theire beardes close, close , saue onelie |
musthachose w hi ch wch they were longe ; longe, and the cause of | musthachose wch w hi ch they were longe, longe ; and the cause of |
this vse was for that they beinge breed in a hot e hote | this vse was for that they beinge breed in a hote hot e |
Countrie , Countrie, found much haire on theire face faces and oth er other | Countrie, Countrie , found much haire on theire faces face and other oth er |
par p ar tes to be noyos vnto them w hi ch wch cause they did cut cutt | p ar par tes to be noyos vnto them wch w hi ch cause they did cutt cut |
yt most away , away, lyke as contrarelie all the other | yt most away, away , lyke as contrarelie all the other |
nacons | nacons |
Folio 38r | Folio 38r |
38 nacons brought vpp in Cold countries, doe vse to nourishe theire | nacons brought vpp in Cold countries, doe vse to nourishe theire 38 |
nacons brought vpp in bold countries hare to nourishe theire kepe them the warm er , doe vse wch was the cause that the | hare nacons brought vpp in bold countries , wch was the cause that the doe vse to kepe them the warm er nourishe theire |
hare to kepe them the warm er , w hi ch was the cause that the Scithians and glibbs Scottes weare glibbes, as I shewed | Scithians and glibbs Scottes weare glibbes, as I shewed hare to kepe them the warm er , w hi ch was the cause that the |
Scithians yow to kepe theire heades warme, and glibbs Scottes weare glibbes , as I shewed longe beardes to | yow to kepe theire heades warme, Scithians and longe beardes to glibbs Scottes weare glibbes , as I shewed |
yow to kepe defende theire heades warme , and longe beardes to faces from cold, From them also I thincke | defende yow to kepe theire faces from cold, From them also I thincke heades warme , and longe beardes to |
defende theire faces from cold , ffrom them also I thincke came saffron shirtes and smockes, wch was devized by | came saffron shirtes and smockes, wch was devized by defende theire faces from cold , ffrom them also I thincke |
came them in those hotte Countries, where saffron shirtes and smockes , w hi ch was devised by is verie com m o n | them in those hotte Countries, where came saffron is verie com m o n shirtes and smockes , w hi ch was devised by |
them in those hotte Countries , where saffron is verie comon and ryfe for avoydinge of that evill wch com m eth -- | and ryfe for avoydinge of that evill wch com m eth -- them in those hotte Countries , where saffron is verie comon |
much swetinge, and ryfe for avoydinge longe wearinge of that evill w hi ch cometh – lynnen. Also the | and longe wearinge ryfe for avoydinge of lynnen. Also the that evill w hi ch cometh – |
w i th swetinge , and longe wearinge of lynnen . Also the | w i th swetinge , and longe wearinge of lynnen . Also the |
weomen amongst the ould Spanyardes had the charge | weomen amongst the ould Spanyardes had the charge |
of all hushold affaires both home and abroad (as Boemius | of all hushold affaires both home and abroad (as Boemius |
wryteth though now these Spanyardes vse yt quite ~ - | wryteth though now these Spanyardes vse yt quite - ~ |
otherwise , otherwise, and so haue the Irishe weomen the trust | otherwise, otherwise , and so haue the Irishe weomen the trust |
and Care of all thinges , thinges, both at home and in the feilde , feyldes, | and Care of all thinges, thinges , both at home and in the feyldes, feilde , |
likewise rounde leather targettes Targettes is the Spannishe | likewise rounde leather Targettes targettes is the Spannishe |
fashion who vsed yt for the most p ar te painted , w hi ch painted, wch | fashion who vsed yt for the most p ar te painted, wch painted , w hi ch |
in Ireland they vse also in manye places coulored , coulored, | in Ireland they vse also in manye places coulored, coulored , |
after theire rude fashion : fashion: Moreover theire manner of | after theire rude fashion: fashion : Moreover theire manner of |
theire weomens rydinge on the wronge syde of the | theire weomens rydinge on the wronge syde of the |
horse I meane w i th wth there faces towarde their theire right | horse I meane wth w i th there faces towarde theire their right |
syde , syde, as the Irishe vse is, as they saye ould Spannish | syde, syde , as the Irishe vse is, as they saye ould Spannish |
and as some saye Africane, ffor Africane , For amongst them the | and as some saye Africane , For Africane, ffor amongst them the |
the weomen (they saye) saye vse to ryde acrosse , acrosse) Also the | the weomen (they saye saye) vse to ryde acrosse) acrosse , Also the |
deepe smocke sleve hanginge to the ground w hi ch w i th the wch wh the | deepe smocke sleve hanginge to the ground wch wh the w hi ch w i th the |
Irishe weomen vse vse, (they saye) was ould Spannishe | Irishe weomen vse, vse (they saye) was ould Spannishe |
and is vsed yett in Barbarie : and yett that should | and is vsed yett in Barbarie : and yett that should |
seeme rather to bee an ould Irishe fashion : ffor fashion: For in | seeme rather to bee an ould Irishe fashion: For fashion : ffor in |
Armorie the fashon of the Manche w hi ch wch is gyven | Armorie the fashon of the Manche wch w hi ch is gyven |
in Armes by manye manye, beinge in deed , deed, nothinge ells but | in Armes by manye, manye beinge in deed, deed , nothinge ells but |
a sleve , sleve, is fashioned much like to that sleve, And that | a sleve, sleve , is fashioned much like to that sleve, And that |
knightes in Auncient tymes vsed to weare theire M ist r esse istre sses | knightes in Auncient tymes vsed to weare theire M istre sses ist r esse |
favor or loves sleve sleves vpon theire armes armes, as appeareth | favor or loves sleves sleve vpon theire armes, armes as appeareth |
by that is written of Sr S ir Lancelote that hee wore ware | by that is written of S ir Sr Lancelote that hee ware wore |
the sleve of the fayre made of Asteroth , Asteroth, in a | the sleve of the fayre made of Asteroth, Asteroth , in a |
Turney where at whereat Quene Guenouer was much displeased | Turney whereat where at Quene Guenouer was much displeased |
Eudox: yo u r Yor | Eudox: Yor yo u r |
Folio 38v | Folio 38v |
Eudox: yo u r concepit Yor conceipt is verie good well fyttinge for thinges | Eudox: Yor conceipt yo u r concepit is verie good well fyttinge for thinges |
so farr from Certaintie of knowledge and learninge | so farr from Certaintie of knowledge and learninge |
onelye vpon lykelihoodes and coniectures : coniectures: But have yow a nie any | onelye vpon lykelihoodes and coniectures: coniectures : But have yow any a nie |
Customes remayninge from the Gaules and or Bryttons : Bryttons: | Customes remayninge from the Gaules and or Bryttons: Bryttons : |
Iren: I haue obserued a fewe of eyther , eyther, and whoe will | Iren: I haue obserued a fewe of eyther, eyther , and whoe will |
better search into them , them, maye fynde more . more: And first the | better search into them, them , maye fynde more: more . And first the |
profession of theire Bardes was (as (-as Cesar wryteth) wryteth | profession of theire Bardes was (-as (as Cesar wryteth wryteth) |
vsuall amongst the gaules , gaules, and the same was also | vsuall amongst the gaules, gaules , and the same was also |
comon amongst the Bryttons , Bryttons, and is not yett altogea ther altogeather | comon amongst the Bryttons, Bryttons , and is not yett altogeather altogea ther |
lefte of , of, by the walshe w hi ch wch are theire posteritie : ffor posteritie: For | lefte of, of , by the walshe wch w hi ch are theire posteritie: For posteritie : ffor |
all the fashions of the Brittons , Brittons, as he testefieth wea re were | all the fashions of the Brittons, Brittons , as he testefieth were wea re |
much lyke , lyke, The longe dearth came also from the Gaul es Gaules | much lyke, lyke , The longe dearth came also from the Gaules Gaul es |
as yee maye read in the same Cesar , and in Iohn John | as yee maye read in the same Cesar , and in John Iohn |
Boenius Boemus , wryteth that the Gaules vsed vsed, swordes a | Boemus Boenius , wryteth that the Gaules vsed, vsed swordes a |
handfull longe broad , broad, and so doe the Irishe now, Al so Also | handfull longe broad, broad , and so doe the Irishe now, Also Al so |
that they vsed longe wicker sheildes in battell | that they vsed longe wicker sheildes in battell |
that should cover theire whole bodies , bodies, and so doe the | that should cover theire whole bodies, bodies , and so doe the |
Northerne Irishe . But because I haue not seene suc h such | Northerne Irishe . But because I haue not seene such suc h |
fashioned targetes vsed in the southerne p ar te , tes, but | fashioned targetes vsed in the southerne p ar tes, te , but |
onelye amongst those Northerne people and Iris he Irish | onelye amongst those Northerne people and Irish Iris he |
Scottes , Scottes, I doe thincke that they were brought in o r - | Scottes, Scottes , I doe thincke that they were brought in - o r |
rather by the Scythians , Scythians, then by the Gaules , Als o Gaules, Also | rather by the Scythians, Scythians , then by the Gaules, Also Gaules , Als o |
the Gaules vsed to drincke theire enemies blood: bloode | the Gaules vsed to drincke theire enemies bloode blood: |
and to painte them selues therew i th , therewth, So also theye | and to painte them selues therewth, therew i th , So also theye |
write that the ould Irishe were woulde wounte woonte wounte, | write that the ould Irishe were woonte wounte, woulde wounte |
and so haue I sene some of the Irishe doe but not | and so haue I sene some of the Irishe doe but not |
theire Enemies but friendes bloode , frindes bloode, as namelie at | theire Enemies but frindes bloode, friendes bloode , as namelie at |
the execution of a notable tratour at Lymbricke | the execution of a notable tratour at Lymbricke |
called Murrough Obrien , Morrogh Obrien, I sawe an old woman w hi ch wch | called Morrogh Obrien, Murrough Obrien , I sawe an old woman wch w hi ch |
was his ffoster Foster mother tooke vpp his heade whilst | was his Foster ffoster mother tooke vpp his heade whilst |
he was quartered and sucked vpp all the blood runnin g running | he was quartered and sucked vpp all the blood running runnin g |
there out sayinge that the earth was not worthie to | there out sayinge that the earth was not worthie to |
drincke yt, and therew i th therewth also stee ste e ped her face and bres t brest | drincke yt, and therewth therew i th also ste e stee ped her face and brest bres t |
and face and tare her haire cryinge and shriking out | and tare and face her haire cryinge and shriking out |
most tirriblie tirriblie: Eudox : Eud: | most tirriblie: Eudox : Eud: tirriblie |
Eudox: Eud: | Eudox: Eud: |
turne over leife | turne over leife |
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39 page is blank except, at top, written: | page is blank except, at top, written: 39 |
Ride Rile | Rile Ride |
T… .. ……. This is OB thing | This is OB thing T… .. ……. |
here should bee nothing | here should bee nothing |
At bottom of page, right, written: | At bottom of page, right, written: |
Eudox : | Eudox : |
Folio 39v | Folio 39v |
Eudox: Yee haue verye well ronne through such Customes as the | Eudox: Yee haue verye well ronne through such Customes as the |
Irishe have deryved from the first ould nacons w hi ch inhab i wch inhaby | Irishe have deryved from the first ould nacons wch inhaby w hi ch inhab i |
ted that lande namelye the Scythians , the Spanyarde s Scythians, the Spanyardes | ted that lande namelye the Scythians, the Spanyardes Scythians , the Spanyarde s |
the Guales the Britons , the Gaules the Britons, It nowe remayneth that yow | the Gaules the Britons, the Guales the Britons , It nowe remayneth that yow |
take in hande the Customes of the ould Englishe w hi ch wch are | take in hande the Customes of the ould Englishe wch w hi ch are |
amongst the Irishe of w hi ch wch I doe not thincke that yee | amongst the Irishe of wch w hi ch I doe not thincke that yee |
^ shall haue much to fynde faulte w i th wth any considringe that by the | ^ shall haue much to fynde faulte wth w i th any considringe that by the |
Englishe most of the ould badd Irishe Customes were | Englishe most of the ould badd Irishe Customes were |
abollished , abollished, and more ciuill fashions brought vpp in | abollished, abollished , and more ciuill fashions brought vpp in |
theire steade : steade: | theire steade: steade : |
Iren: Yow thincke otherwise Eudox: Eudox : then I doe, for the chefes t chefest | Iren: Yow thincke otherwise Eudox : Eudox: then I doe, for the chefest chefes t |
abuses w hi ch wch are now in that realme , realme, are growne from th e the | abuses wch w hi ch are now in that realme, realme , are growne from the th e |
Englishe , Englishe, and the Englishe that were are now much mor e more | Englishe, Englishe , and the Englishe that were are now much more mor e |
lawlesse and lycencious lycencious, then the verie wilde Irishe : Irishe: so | lawlesse and lycencious, lycencious then the verie wilde Irishe: Irishe : so |
that as much care as was then by them had to reforme | that as much care as was then by them had to reforme |
the Irishe , Irishe, so much and more must now bee vsed to refo rm reforme | the Irishe, Irishe , so much and more must now bee vsed to reforme refo rm |
them so much times ti OB e tyme doth alter the mann er s of men : men: | them so much ti OB e times tyme doth alter the mann er s of men: men : |
Eudox: That seemeth verie strange w hi ch wch yow saye that m en me n | Eudox: That seemeth verie strange wch w hi ch yow saye that me n m en |
should so much degenerate from theire first natures as | should so much degenerate from theire first natures as |
to growe wilde . | to growe wilde . |
Iren: So much can libertie and ill example doe : doe: | Iren: So much can libertie and ill example doe: doe : |
Eudox: What libertie had the Englishe there , there, more the n then | Eudox: What libertie had the Englishe there, there , more then the n |
they had ^ here at home ~ - were not the lawes planted am ongst amongst | they had ^ here at home - ~ were not the lawes planted amongst am ongst |
them at the first , first, and had they not governors to Curbe and | them at the first, first , and had they not governors to Curbe and |
kepe them still in awe and obedyence | kepe them still in awe and obedyence |
Iren: They had , had, but yt was for the most p ar te such as did m ore more | Iren: They had, had , but yt was for the most p ar te such as did more m ore |
hurte then good : ffor good: For they had governors for the most p ar te | hurte then good: For good : ffor they had governors for the most p ar te |
of them selues , selues, and comonlie out of the twoe ffamilies Families | of them selues, selues , and comonlie out of the twoe Families ffamilies |
of the Geraldines , and the Butlers , Butlers, both adversaries | of the Geraldines , and the Butlers, Butlers , both adversaries |
and corivalls on against the other other, s who though for | and corivalls on against the other, s other who though for |
the most p ar te they were but deputies vnder some of th e the | the most p ar te they were but deputies vnder some of the th e |
kinges of that Englande . Englandes sonnes bretheren or other nere kins men kynsman | kinges of Englandes that Englande . sonnes bretheren or other nere kynsman kins men |
who were the kinges Livetennantes . livetennantes, yet they swayed so | who were the kinges livetennantes, Livetennantes . yet they swayed so |
much as they hadd all the rule and the others bu t but | much as they hadd all the rule and the others but bu t |
the tytle | the tytle |
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40 the tytle, Of wch Butlers and Geraldines, albe yt I | the tytle, Of wch Butlers and Geraldines, albe yt I 40 |
the tytle , Of w hi ch Butlers must confesse they were verie braue and Geraldines , albe yt I worthie men, as | must confesse they were verie braue the tytle , Of w hi ch Butlers and worthie men, as Geraldines , albe yt I |
must confesse they were verie braue and worthie men , as also of others the Peers of that realme, made Lord | also of others the Peers of that realme, made Lord must confesse they were verie braue and worthie men , as |
also of others the Peers of that realme , made Lord Deputies, and Lordes Justices, and signiories they grewe | Deputies, and Lordes Justices, and signiories they grewe also of others the Peers of that realme , made Lord |
deputies , and Lord Iustices , and signiories they grewe insolent, and euill bente, both against ly that regall power aucthoritie | insolent, and euill bente, both against ly that regall power aucthoritie deputies , and Lord Iustices , and signiories they grewe |
and euill bente , both ^ also theire private powers one against by| that regall power authoritie another, to the | insolent , and also theire private powers one euill bente , both ^ against another, to the by| that regall power authoritie |
and also theire private powers one against another , to the | and also theire private powers one against another , to the |
vtter subvertion of them selues and strengthninge of the | vtter subvertion of them selues and strengthninge of the |
Irishe againe , againe, This yee maye reade plainelie discou er ed | Irishe againe, againe , This yee maye reade plainelie discou er ed |
by a l ett re written from the Cittizens of Corke out of | by a l ett re written from the Cittizens of Corke out of |
Ireland to the Earle of Shrusburie then in England : | Ireland to the Earle of Shrusburie then in England : |
and remayninge yett vpon recorde both in the Tower of | and remayninge yett vpon recorde both in the Tower of |
England , England, and also amongst the Chronicles of Ireland , Ireland, began | England, England , and also amongst the Chronicles of Ireland, Ireland , began |
thorowe pryde and insolencie to make private warrs one | thorowe pryde and insolencie to make private warrs one |
against another , another, and when thother p ar te was weake they | against another, another , and when thother p ar te was weake they |
would waye wage and drawe in the Irishe to take theire p ar te , t i e, | would wage waye and drawe in the Irishe to take theire p ar t i e, te , |
by w hi ch wch meanes they both greatlye encurraged and ~~ - - | by wch w hi ch meanes they both greatlye encurraged and - - ~~ |
enhabited the Irishe , w hi ch Irishe, wch till that tyme had bene | enhabited the Irishe, wch Irishe , w hi ch till that tyme had bene |
shutt vpp w i th wth in the Mountaines Mountaine of Slewlougher , Slewlougher, and | shutt vpp wth w i th in the Mountaine Mountaines of Slewlougher, Slewlougher , and |
weakened and disabled them selues in so much that there | weakened and disabled them selues in so much that there |
revenewes were wounderfullie impared , impared, and some of | revenewes were wounderfullie impared, impared , and some of |
them w hi ch wch are there theire reckoned to have bene able to haue | them wch w hi ch are theire there reckoned to have bene able to haue |
spente xij or xiiij hundred poundes poundes, p er Annum of ould rent | spente xij or xiiij hundred poundes, poundes p er Annum of ould rent |
that I maye saye noe more moe besydes theire comodities com m odities | that I maye saye noe moe more besydes theire com m odities comodities |
of Creekes and havens , havens, were now scarse able to dispend | of Creekes and havens, havens , were now scarse able to dispend |
the thirde p ar te , te, from w hi ch wch disorder and through theire | the thirde p ar te, te , from wch w hi ch disorder and through theire |
huge Calamities w hi ch wch haue come vpon them thereby | huge Calamities wch w hi ch haue come vpon them thereby |
they are now growne to be almost as lewde as the | they are now growne to be almost as lewde as the |
Irishe , Irishe, I meane of such Englishe as were planted | Irishe, Irishe , I meane of such Englishe as were planted |
aboue above towardes the west , west, for the Englishe pale hath | above aboue towardes the west, west , for the Englishe pale hath |
p re served yt self throughe nearenesse of theire state state- | p re served yt self throughe nearenesse of theire state- state |
in reasonable Civilitie , Civilitie, but the rest w hi ch wch dwell aboue | in reasonable Civilitie, Civilitie , but the rest wch w hi ch dwell aboue |
in Connagh and Mounster w hi ch Mounster, wch is the swetest soyle | in Connagh and Mounster, wch Mounster w hi ch is the swetest soyle |
of Ireland , Ireland, and some in Leinster and Ulster Vlster as | of Ireland, Ireland , and some in Leinster and Vlster Ulster as |
degenerate and growen to bee as verie Patch.ockes Patch OB ockes | degenerate and growen to bee as verie Patch OB ockes Patch.ockes |
as the the.: | as the.: the |
Folio 40v | Folio 40v |
as the wilde Irishe , Irishe, yea and some of them haue quite shak en shaken | as the wilde Irishe, Irishe , yea and some of them haue quite shaken shak en |
of theire Englishe names , names, and putt on Irishe , that th ey they | of theire Englishe names, names , and putt on Irishe , that they th ey |
might bee altogeather a Irishe : Irishe: | might bee altogeather a Irishe: Irishe : |
Eudox: Eudox Is it possible that any should so farr growe out of | Eudox Eudox: Is it possible that any should so farr growe out of |
frame that they should in so shorte space quite forgett | frame that they should in so shorte space quite forgett |
theire Countrie . and theire owne names , names, that is a most | theire Countrie . and theire owne names, names , that is a most |
dangerous Lethargie , much worse then that of ~ - | dangerous Lethargie , much worse then that of - ~ |
Messila Carvinas , who beinge a most learned man | Messila Carvinas , who beinge a most learned man |
through sicknes sickenes forgott his owne name , name, but can | through sickenes sicknes forgott his owne name, name , but can |
yow counte vs anye of this kynde : kynde:: | yow counte vs anye of this kynde:: kynde : |
Iren: Iren I can not speake but by reporte of the Irishe the m them | Iren Iren: I can not speake but by reporte of the Irishe them the m |
selues : selues: who reporte that the Macmaghons in the nor th north | selues: selues : who reporte that the Macmaghons in the north nor th |
were auncientlie Englishe . Englishe, to witt , witt, discended from | were auncientlie Englishe, Englishe . to witt, witt , discended from |
the fz f it z Vrsulas w hi ch wch was a noble : familie in Engla nd n d, | the f it z fz Vrsulas wch w hi ch was a noble : familie in Engla n d, nd |
and that the same appeareth by his the signifycation of | and that the same appeareth by the his signifycation of |
theire Irishe names : names: Lykewise that the Macswin es Macswines | theire Irishe names: names : Lykewise that the Macswines Macswin es |
who now in Vlster were auncyentlie auncyentelie of the Ver es Veres | now who in Vlster were auncyentelie auncyentlie of the Veres Ver es |
of England , England, but that they themselues for hatred | of England, England , but that they themselues for hatred |
of the Englishe so disguised theire names :: names:: | of the Englishe so disguised theire names:: names :: |
Eudox: could they ever conceyve any such develishe disli ke dislike | Eudox: could they ever conceyve any such develishe dislike disli ke |
of theire owne naturall Countrie , Countrie, as that they would | of theire owne naturall Countrie, Countrie , as that they would |
bee ashamed of her name , name, and bite of her dugge s | bee ashamed of her name, name , and bite of her dugge s |
from w hi ch wch they sucked lyffe:: lyfe, | from wch w hi ch they sucked lyfe, lyffe:: |
Iren: I wote well theire should be none but proude hart es hartes | Iren: I wote well theire should be none but proude hartes hart es |
doe oftentymes lyke wanton Coltes kicke at theire | doe oftentymes lyke wanton Coltes kicke at theire |
mothers , mothers, as wee reade Alcibiades and Thamisto | mothers, mothers , as wee reade Alcibiades and Thamisto |
cles did , did, who beinge bainished ^ bannished out of Athens fledd | cles did, did , who beinge bannished bainished ^ out of Athens fledd |
vnto the kinge of Asai , and theire stirred him vpp | vnto the kinge of Asai , and theire stirred him vpp |
to warr against theire Countrie , Countrie, in w hi ch wch warrs the y they | to warr against theire Countrie, Countrie , in wch w hi ch warrs they the y |
them selues were Cheifetaines , Cheifetaines, so that they said | them selues were Cheifetaines, Cheifetaines , so that they said |
did these macswynes and mackmahons , mackmahons, or rather | did these macswynes and mackmahons, mackmahons , or rather |
Veres or ffiz Vrsulaies , Fi t z Vrsulaies, for private dispite | Veres or Fi t z Vrsulaies, ffiz Vrsulaies , for private dispite |
turne theim them selues against England , England, for at such | turne them theim selues against England, England , for at such |
tymes tyme as | tyme tymes as |
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41 | 41 |
tyme as Robart Verd E of Oxford was in the | tyme as Robart Verd E of Oxford was in the |
Barrons warrs against kinge Kinge Richard the second , second, | Barrons warrs against Kinge kinge Richard the second, second , |
through the mallice of the Peeres bannished the | through the mallice of the Peeres bannished the |
Realme and p ro scribed . be w i th scribed. he wth his kynsman fiz fi t z: | Realme and p ro scribed. he wth scribed . be w i th his kynsman fi t z: fiz |
Vrsulie , Vrsulie, fled into Ireland , Ireland, where benige beinge p er secuted , ro secuted, and | Vrsulie, Vrsulie , fled into Ireland, Ireland , where beinge benige p ro secuted, er secuted , and |
afterwardes in England put to putto death his kinsmen | afterwardes in England putto put to death his kinsmen |
there remayninge behinde in Ireland , Ireland, rebelled and | there remayninge behinde in Ireland, Ireland , rebelled and |
conspireding w i th conspireing wth the Irishe did quite cast of theire | conspireing wth conspireding w i th the Irishe did quite cast of theire |
Englishe names and alleigeance , alleigeance, since w hi ch wch tyme | Englishe names and alleigeance, alleigeance , since wch w hi ch tyme |
they have ever so repirted reported of the Macswines mac m ac | they have ever so reported repirted of the Macswines m ac mac |
Mahons and Mackshehaies of Mounster , Mounster, how they | Mahons and Mackshehaies of Mounster, Mounster , how they |
lyke wise were ancientlie Englishe , Englishe, and olde | lyke wise were ancientlie Englishe, Englishe , and olde |
followers to the Earle of Desmond , Desmond, vntill the | followers to the Earle of Desmond, Desmond , vntill the |
raigne of Edward the iiijth at w hi ch wch tyme the | raigne of Edward the iiijth at wch w hi ch tyme the |
Earle of desmond desmonde that then was called , Thomas , called, Thomas, | Earle of desmonde desmond that then was called, Thomas, called , Thomas , |
beinge through false subbornacon as they saye of | beinge through false subbornacon as they saye of |
the Quene for some offence , offence, by her against | the Quene for some offence, offence , by her against |
him conceyved conceyved, brought to his death at Tradagh | him conceyved, conceyved brought to his death at Tradagh |
most vniustlie , vniustlie, not w i th standinge wthstandinge that hee | most vniustlie, vniustlie , not wthstandinge w i th standinge that hee |
was a verie good and sound subiect the kinge ; kinge, therevpo n | was a verie good and sound subiect the kinge, kinge ; therevpo n |
all his kinsmen of the Geraldines w hi ch wch then was | all his kinsmen of the Geraldines wch w hi ch then was |
a mightie familie in Mounster , Mounster, in revenge of | a mightie familie in Mounster, Mounster , in revenge of |
that huge wronge , wronge, rose into Armes against | that huge wronge, wronge , rose into Armes against |
the kinge and vtterlie , vtterlie, and vtterlie renounced and | the kinge and vtterlie, vtterlie , and vtterlie renounced and |
forswore all obedyence to the Crowne of England, | forswore all obedyence to the Crowne of England, |
to whom the said Mac m ac swynes Mackshehies and Mac M ac mahons | to whom the said m ac Mac swynes Mackshehies and M ac Mac mahons |
then serv an tes and followers and followers, did the like and haue | then serv an tes and followers, did followers and the like and haue |
sythence ever so contynewed , contynewed, And w i th wth them they | sythence ever so contynewed, contynewed , And wth w i th them they |
saye all the people of Mounster wente and manye | saye all the people of Mounster wente and manye |
other of them w hi ch wch were mere Englishe , Englishe, thenceforth | other of them wch w hi ch were mere Englishe, Englishe , thenceforth |
Ioyned w i th wth the Irishe , Irishe, takinge on them Irishe | Ioyned wth w i th the Irishe, Irishe , takinge on them Irishe |
habites and customes w hi ch wch could never since bee | habites and customes wch w hi ch could never since bee |
cleane | cleane |
Folio 41v | Folio 41v |
cleane wyped awaye but the Contagion thereof hath re ma remma | cleane wyped awaye but the Contagion thereof hath remma re ma |
yned still amongst theire posterities , posterities, Of w hi ch wch sorte th ey they | yned still amongst theire posterities, posterities , Of wch w hi ch sorte they th ey |
saye bee most of the Surnames w hi ch wch end in, an as - | saye bee most of the Surnames wch w hi ch end in, an as - |
Heenam Hecnam Shinan Mangan &c., the w hi ch &c:, the wch now accounte the m them | Hecnam Heenam Shinan Mangan &c:, the wch &c., the w hi ch now accounte them the m |
selues naturall Irishe , Irishe, Other greate howses there be bee | selues naturall Irishe, Irishe , Other greate howses there bee be |
of the old Englishe , Englishe, in Ireland , w hi ch thgough lycentio us Ireland, wch though lycentious | of the old Englishe, Englishe , in Ireland, wch though lycentious Ireland , w hi ch thgough lycentio us |
conversinge w i th wth the Irishe , Irishe, or marryinge and ~ - | conversinge wth w i th the Irishe, Irishe , or marryinge and - ~ |
fosteringe w i th them , wth them, or lack of meete Nurture , or Nurture, or | fosteringe wth them, w i th them , or lack of meete Nurture, or Nurture , or |
other such vnhappie occasions have degendred from | other such vnhappie occasions have degendred from |
theire antient dignities and are now growen as | theire antient dignities and are now growen as |
Irishe as Ohanlans breach , breach, (as the proverbe is | Irishe as Ohanlans breach, breach , (as the proverbe is |
theire is) of w hi ch wch sorte there are . OB twoe most pittef ul pitte full | theire is) of wch w hi ch sorte there are OB . twoe most pitte full pittef ul |
Ensamples aboue the rest , rest, to wite the Lo. Bremi ng Lo: Breming | Ensamples aboue the rest, rest , to wite the Lo: Breming Lo. Bremi ng |
ham , ham, who beinge ^ the most ancient ancyent Barron I thincke in | ham, ham , who beinge ^ the most ancyent ancient Barron I thincke in |
Englande , Englande, is now waxen the j OB most salvage Irishe | Englande, Englande , is now waxen the OB j most salvage Irishe |
naminge him self Irishe Irishe, like Macrorishe Norcorishe and th e the | naminge him self Irishe, Irishe like Norcorishe Macrorishe and the th e |
other is the other is the great Mortymer , Mortymer, who for | other is the other is the great Mortymer, Mortymer , who for |
gettinge how greate great he was once in England , England, or Engl ish English | gettinge how great greate he was once in England, England , or English Engl ish |
at all is now become the most barborous of the m them | at all is now become the most barborous of them the m |
all , all, and is called Macnemarra , macnemarra. and not much bette r better | all, all , and is called macnemarra. Macnemarra , and not much better bette r |
then he is the ould Lo: Courcie Courrie , who havinge lewd lie lewdlie | then he is the ould Lo: Courrie Courcie , who havinge lewdlie lewd lie |
wasted all the lands land OB and signories that he had and | wasted all the land OB lands and signories that he had and |
aliened them vnto the Irishe is him self self, also now | aliened them vnto the Irishe is him self, self also now |
growne quite Irishe :: Irishe:: | growne quite Irishe:: Irishe :: |
Eudox: In truth this w hi ch wch yow tell is a most shamef ul shamefull | Eudox: In truth this wch w hi ch yow tell is a most shamefull shamef ul |
hearinge and to be reformed w i th wth most most sharpe | hearinge and to be reformed wth w i th most most sharpe |
Censures in so greate p er sonages to the terror of | Censures in so greate p er sonages to the terror of |
the meaner : ffor the meaner: For where the Lo: and chief cheif men wa x wax | the meaner: For the meaner : ffor where the Lo: and cheif chief men wax wa x |
so barborous and basterdlike , basterd like, what shalbe hoped of | so barborous and basterd like, basterdlike , what shalbe hoped of |
the peasantes and base people ; people; And hereby sure yow | the peasantes and base people; people ; And hereby sure yow |
haue made a fayre vnto yo u r self , yor self, to laye open the | haue made a fayre vnto yor self, yo u r self , to laye open the |
absues abuses of theire their e evill customes w hi ch wch yee haue nowe next | abuses absues of their e theire evill customes wch w hi ch yee haue nowe next |
to declare , declare, The w hi ch wch noe doubt but are verie badd | to declare, declare , The wch w hi ch noe doubt but are verie badd |
and barborous beinge borrowed from the Irishe as | and barborous beinge borrowed from the Irishe as |
There app eal | There app eal |
42r (unidentified number crossed out; "41" written top of page) | Folio 42r (unidentified number crossed out; "41" written top of page) |
There apparrell, theire theire language theire ryding | There apparrell, theire theire language theire ryding |
There apparrell , theire theire language theire ryding and manie other the like: | and manie other the like: There apparrell , theire theire language theire ryding |
and manie other the like : Iren: yee cannnot but thincke them sure to bee verie | Iren: yee cannnot but thincke them sure to bee verie and manie other the like : |
Iren: Yee cannot but thincke them sure to bee verie brute and vncivill. for were they at the best, that | brute and vncivill. for were they at the best, that Iren: Yee cannot but thincke them sure to bee verie |
brute and vncivill for were they at the best , that they were of old, when they were brought in they | they were of old, when they were brought in they brute and vncivill for were they at the best , that |
they were sho u ld inge in they so longe tyme an alteracon of old when they were brought tyme seme | sho u ld inge they were of tyme seme old when they were brought in so longe tyme an alteracon they |
should inge in so longe tyme an alteracon of tyme some verie strange and vncouth: for yt is to bee thoughte | verie strange and vncouth: for yt is to bee thoughte should inge in so longe tyme an alteracon of tyme some |
verie strange and vncouth : for yt is to bee thoughte | verie strange and vncouth : for yt is to bee thoughte |
that the vse of all England was in the England | that the vse of all England was in the England |
raigne of Henrie the second , second, when Ireland was | raigne of Henrie the second, second , when Ireland was |
first pleanted w i th planted wth Englishe verie rude and barbor barbo | first planted wth pleanted w i th Englishe verie rude and barbo barbor |
rous , rous, so as yf the same should bee now vsed in | rous, rous , so as yf the same should bee now vsed in |
England England: by any it would seme wortie worthie of sharpe | England: England by any it would seme worthie wortie of sharpe |
correction , correction, and of newe lawes for reformacon but | correction, correction , and of newe lawes for reformacon but |
yt is but even the other daye daye, since England | yt is but even the other daye, daye since England |
grew Civill : Civill: There fore in Countinge the evill | grew Civill: Civill : There fore in Countinge the evill |
Customes of the Englishe , Englishe, there I will have | Customes of the Englishe, Englishe , there I will have |
regarde whether the begynninge thereof were | regarde whether the begynninge thereof were |
Englishe or Irishe Irishe, but will have respecte onelie | Englishe or Irishe, Irishe but will have respecte onelie |
to the inconvenience thereof , thereof, and first I haue | to the inconvenience thereof, thereof , and first I haue |
to fynde faulte w i th wth the abuse of language , language, that | to fynde faulte wth w i th the abuse of language, language , that |
is for the speakinge of Irishe Irishe, amongst the Englishe Englishe, | is for the speakinge of Irishe, Irishe amongst the Englishe, Englishe |
w hi ch wch as yt vnnaturall that any people should loue | wch w hi ch as yt vnnaturall that any people should loue |
anothers language more then theire owne , owne, so ys | anothers language more then theire owne, owne , so ys |
yt verie inconvenient and the cause of manye there | yt verie inconvenient and the cause of manye there |
evills : evills:: | evills:: evills : |
Eudox: It semethe strange to me that the Englishe | Eudox: It semethe strange to me that the Englishe |
should take more delight deleight to speake that language | should take more deleight delight to speake that language |
then there owne , where as owne, whereas they should , should, (mee thinckes | then there owne, whereas owne , where as they should, should , (mee thinckes |
rather take scorne to acquainte theire tonges thereto | rather take scorne to acquainte theire tonges thereto |
for yt hath bene ever the s vse of the conqeror conqueror | for yt hath bene ever the s vse of the conqueror conqeror |
to dispose his language of the conquered , conquered, and to | to dispose his language of the conquered, conquered , and to |
force him by all meanes to learne his his, So did | force him by all meanes to learne his, his So did |
the Romaines alwayes vse , in so much vse, insomuch that theire is | the Romaines alwayes vse, insomuch vse , in so much that theire is |
almost in a nacon anacon in the world , world, but is sprinckled | almost in anacon a nacon in the world, world , but is sprinckled |
w i th wth | wth w i th |
Folio 42v | Folio 42v |
w i th wth theire language , language, It were good therefore , therefore, (me thinckes) | wth w i th theire language, language , It were good therefore, therefore , (me thinckes) |
to search out the oridginall course course, of his evill , evill, for the | to search out the oridginall course, course of his evill, evill , for the |
same beinge discove.red discoverred a redresse thereof there of wilbe th e the | same beinge discoverred discove.red a redresse there of thereof wilbe the th e |
more easielie p ro vyded vyded: for I thincke yt were strange | more easielie p ro vyded: vyded for I thincke yt were strange |
that the Englishe beinge so manye and the Irishe | that the Englishe beinge so manye and the Irishe |
so fewe , fewe, as they then were left , left, the fewer should | so fewe, fewe , as they then were left, left , the fewer should |
drawe the more vnto their vse : ~ . ~ : vse:-:-: | drawe the more vnto their vse:-:-: vse : ~ . ~ : |
Iren: I suppose that the chief cheif cause of bringinge in | Iren: I suppose that the cheif chief cause of bringinge in |
the Irishe language amongst them was speciallie | the Irishe language amongst them was speciallie |
their theire fosteringe and marryinge w i th wth the Irishe | theire their fosteringe and marryinge wth w i th the Irishe |
w hi ch wch are twoe most dangerous infeccons , infeccons, for first | wch w hi ch are twoe most dangerous infeccons, infeccons , for first |
the child that sucketh the milke of the nurse must | the child that sucketh the milke of the nurse must |
of necessitie learne his first speech of her , speach of her, the | of necessitie learne his first speach of her, speech of her , the |
w hi ch wch beinge the first that is envred to his tonge tonge, | wch w hi ch beinge the first that is envred to his tonge, tonge |
is after most pleasinge vnto him in so much as ~~ -- | is after most pleasinge vnto him in so much as -- ~~ |
though he afterwardes bee taught Englishe , Englishe, yett | though he afterwardes bee taught Englishe, Englishe , yett |
the smacke of the first will alwayes abyde w i th wth | the smacke of the first will alwayes abyde wth w i th |
him and not onelie of the speach speach, but of the | him and not onelie of the speach, speach but of the |
manners and Condycons Condycons: for besydes be sydes the yonge | manners and Condycons: Condycons for be sydes besydes the yonge |
children bee lyke , Apes , w hi ch lyke, Apes, wch will affecte and | children bee lyke, Apes, wch lyke , Apes , w hi ch will affecte and |
ymitate what they see done before them special lie speciallie | ymitate what they see done before them speciallie special lie |
by theyre nurses , nurses, whom they loue so well , they well, they | by theyre nurses, nurses , whom they loue so well, they well , they |
more over drawe into them selues togeather w i th wth | more over drawe into them selues togeather wth w i th |
theire sucke , sucke, even the naturall naturell and disposition of | theire sucke, sucke , even the naturell naturall and disposition of |
theire nurses , nurses, for the mind followeth much the s…. stepps | theire nurses, nurses , for the mind followeth much the stepps s…. |
temp er ature of the bodye : bodye: and also the wordes | temp er ature of the bodye: bodye : and also the wordes |
are the Image of the mynde , mynde, so as the p ro ceding | are the Image of the mynde, mynde , so as the p ro ceding |
from the mynde , mynde, the mynde must bee needes ~ - | from the mynde, mynde , the mynde must bee needes - ~ |
effected w i th the wordes : wth the wordes: So that the speech speach | effected wth the wordes: w i th the wordes : So that the speach speech |
beinge Irishe , Irish, the harte must needes bee Irishe Irishe, | beinge Irish, Irishe , the harte must needes bee Irishe, Irishe |
w hi ch have wch how dangerous for out of the aboundance of | wch how w hi ch have dangerous for out of the aboundance of |
the heart the tonge speaketh speaketh. The next is th e the | the heart the tonge speaketh. speaketh The next is the th e |
marryinge : marryinge: | marryinge: marryinge : |
Folio 43r 43r; "40"(?) written on page, crossed out, "42" written below it. | 43r; "40"(?) written on page, crossed out, "42" written below it. Folio 43r |
42 43 marriinge wth the Irishe wch how dangerous a thing | marriinge wth the Irishe wch how dangerous a thing 42 43 |
marriinge w i th the Irishe w hi ch how dangerous a thing yt is in all Comon wealthes appeareth to eu er ie | yt is in all Comon wealthes appeareth to eu er ie marriinge w i th the Irishe w hi ch how dangerous a thing |
Yt is in all Comon wealthes appeareth to eu er ie symplest sence, and though some great ones OB haue | symplest sence, and though some great ones OB haue Yt is in all Comon wealthes appeareth to eu er ie |
symplest sence , vsed such matches wth theire vassalls, and though some great ones haue | vsed such matches wth theire vassalls, symplest sence , and though some great ones haue |
vsed such matches w i th theire vassals , and haue of them neverthelesse raised worthie yssue, | haue of them neverthelesse raised worthie yssue, vsed such matches w i th theire vassals , and |
haue of them neverthelesse caused worthie yssue, as Telamon did wth Tolmissa Alexander the | as Telamon did wth Tolmissa Alexander the haue of them neverthelesse caused worthie yssue, |
as Telamon did with Tocmissa Alexander the greate wth Roxane and Julius Cesar wth - | greate wth Roxane and Julius Cesar wth - as Telamon did with Tocmissa Alexander the |
greate w i th Roxane and Iulius Cesar w i th ~ Cleopatrie, yet the examples is such so p er illous | Cleopatrie, yet the examples is such so p er illous greate w i th Roxane and Iulius Cesar w i th ~ |
Cleopatrie , yet the examples as yt is such so p er illous not OB to bee adventured, for in steade of | as yt Cleopatrie , yet the examples is not OB to bee adventured, for in steade of such so p er illous |
as yt is not to bee adventured , for in steade of those fewe good, I could count vnto them infynite | those fewe good, I could count vnto them infynite as yt is not to bee adventured , for in steade of |
those fewe good , I could count vnto them in fynite manye evill, and indeed how can such matchinge | manye evill, and indeed how can such matchinge those fewe good , I could count vnto them in fynite |
manye but bringe forth an evill , and indeed how can such matchinge race, seinge that comonlye | but bringe forth an manye evill race, seinge that comonlye , and indeed how can such matchinge |
but bringe forth an evill race , seinge that comonlye | but bringe forth an evill race , seinge that comonlye |
evill the child taketh most of his nature | evill the child taketh most of his nature |
of the mother , mother, besydes speech speach manners incly | of the mother, mother , besydes speach speech manners incly |
nacon , w hi ch nacon, wch are for the most p ar te agreable to | nacon, wch nacon , w hi ch are for the most p ar te agreable to |
the Condycions of theire Mothers , mothers, for by them | the Condycions of theire mothers, Mothers , for by them |
they are first framed and fashioned , fashioned, so as they | they are first framed and fashioned, fashioned , so as they |
res receuie receaue any thinge from them , them, they will | res receaue receuie any thinge from them, them , they will |
hardlie ever after for goe , goe:, therefore are | hardlie ever after for goe:, goe , therefore are |
these in ij evill customes customes, of fosteringe and marry | these ij in evill customes, customes of fosteringe and marry |
inge ^ w hi ch wth the Irishe Irishe, most carefullie to bee | inge wth ^ w hi ch the Irishe, Irishe most carefullie to bee |
restrayned , restrayned, for of them twoe the thirde that | restrayned, restrayned , for of them twoe the thirde that |
is the evill custome of language , w hi ch language, wch I | is the evill custome of language, wch language , w hi ch I |
speake spake of cheiflie cheyflie p ro cedeth : cedeth: | spake speake of cheyflie cheiflie p ro cedeth: cedeth : |
Eudox: But are there not lawes alreadye ~~ -- | Eudox: But are there not lawes alreadye -- ~~ |
appointed for avoydinge of this evill : evill: | appointed for avoydinge of this evill: evill : |
Iren: Yes I thincke there bee , bee, but as good neu er | Iren: Yes I thincke there bee, bee , but as good neu er |
a whit as never the neare better , ne OB re better, for what | a whit as never the ne OB re better, neare better , for what |
doe statues statutes availe w i th out pennalties , wthout pennalties, or lawes | doe statutes statues availe wthout pennalties, w i th out pennalties , or lawes |
w i thout wthout charge of execution , execution, for so there is | wthout w i thout charge of execution, execution , for so there is |
another another: | another: another |
Folio 43v | Folio 43v |
another like lawe enacted against wearinge of | another like lawe enacted against wearinge of |
Irishe apparrell , apparrell, but neverthe more neverthemore it is obserued | Irishe apparrell, apparrell , but neverthemore neverthe more it is obserued |
by any or executed by them that haue the charge | by any or executed by them that haue the charge |
for they in their theire private discressions thincke yt | for they in theire their private discressions thincke yt |
not fytt for to bee forced vpon the poore wretches | not fytt for to bee forced vpon the poore wretches |
of that Countrye , w hi ch Countrye, wch are not worth the pri ce price | of that Countrye, wch Countrye , w hi ch are not worth the price pri ce |
of Englishe apparrell , apparrell, nor expedyent to be pr a pra | of Englishe apparrell, apparrell , nor expedyent to be pra pr a |
ctised against the abler sorte , sorte, by reason that | ctised against the abler sorte, sorte , by reason that |
the countrye (saye they) doe yeild noe better | the countrye (saye they) doe yeild noe better |
and were there better to be had , had, yett these | and were there better to be had, had , yett these |
were fytter to be vsed as namelie the man tle mantle | were fytter to be vsed as namelie the mantle man tle |
in travelinge , travelinge, because there bee noe Inns | in travelinge, travelinge , because there bee noe Inns |
where meate or beddinge might bee hadd hadd, so | where meate or beddinge might bee hadd, hadd so |
that his mantle serues him ther then for a bedd bedd, | that his mantle serues him then ther for a bedd, bedd |
the The leather quilted Iack in forminge Iorninge and | The the leather quilted Iack in Iorninge forminge and |
in Campinge , Campinge, for that yt is fyttest to bee vnd er vnder | in Campinge, Campinge , for that yt is fyttest to bee vnder vnd er |
his shirte of male , male, for any occasion of sudd en suddaine | his shirte of male, male , for any occasion of suddaine sudd en |
service , service, as there theire happen manye , manye, and to co ver cover | service, service , as theire there happen manye, manye , and to cover co ver |
his thine bretch on horsbacke , horsbacke, The greate | his thine bretch on horsbacke, horsbacke , The greate |
lynnen cowle w hi ch rowle wch the wemen weare to kep e kepe | lynnen rowle wch cowle w hi ch the wemen weare to kepe kep e |
theire heades warm , warme, after cuttinge theire hair ha i re | theire heades warme, warm , after cuttinge theire ha i re hair |
w hi ch wch they vse in any sicknesse , sicknesse, Besydes theire | wch w hi ch they vse in any sicknesse, sicknesse , Besydes theire |
thicke folded foulded lynnen shortes shirtes, theire longe sloped sleved | thicke foulded folded lynnen shirtes, shortes theire longe sleved sloped |
smockes , smockes, theire half sleved coates theire sylke n sylken | smockes, smockes , theire half sleved coates theire sylken sylke n |
fillites fyllites and all the rest , rest, They will deuise some | fyllites fillites and all the rest, rest , They will deuise some |
coullor , coullor, for eyther of necessitie , necessitie, or of antyquiti e antyquitie | coullor, coullor , for eyther of necessitie, necessitie , or of antyquitie antyquiti e |
or of comelynesse : comelynesse: | or of comelynesse: comelynesse : |
Eudox Eudox: But what coullor soever they alledge | Eudox: Eudox But what coullor soever they alledge |
me thincke thinckes yt not expedyent that the exec ution executio n | me thinckes thincke yt not expedyent that the executio n exec ution |
of a lawe once ordayned should bee lefte to | of a lawe once ordayned should bee lefte to |
the discressio n discression | the discression discressio n |
Folio 44r 44r; written "43" | 44r; written "43" Folio 44r |
45 the discression of the offycer, but that wthout p ar ciallitie | the discression of the offycer, but that wthout p ar ciallitie 45 |
the discression of the offycer , but that w i th out p ar ciallitie or regarde yt should bee fulfilled, aswell on Englishe | or regarde yt should bee fulfilled, aswell on Englishe the discression of the offycer , but that w i th out p ar ciallitie |
or regarde yt should bee fulfilled , aswell on Englishe as Irishe: | as Irishe: or regarde yt should bee fulfilled , aswell on Englishe |
as Irishe : | as Irishe : |
Iren: But they thincke this p re cysenes in reformacon of | Iren: But they thincke this p re cysenes in reformacon of |
Apparrell , apparrell, not to bee so materiall or greatlie p er tinent | apparrell, Apparrell , not to bee so materiall or greatlie p er tinent |
Eudox: Yes surelie but yt is for mens apparrell is comonlie com m onlie | Eudox: Yes surelie but yt is for mens apparrell is com m onlie comonlie |
made accordinge to theire Condycons , Condycons, and theire condy | made accordinge to theire Condycons, Condycons , and theire condy |
cions are oftentymes governed by theire garmentes , garmentes, for the | cions are oftentymes governed by theire garmentes, garmentes , for the |
p er son that is greived gowned , gowned, is by his gowne put in | p er son that is greived gowned, gowned , is by his gowne put in |
mynde of gravitye , gravitye, and also restrayned from lightnes | mynde of gravitye, gravitye , and also restrayned from lightnes |
by the verie aptnes of his weede , weede, therefore yt is | by the verie aptnes of his weede, weede , therefore yt is |
written by Aristotle , then when Cyrus had overcome | written by Aristotle , then when Cyrus had overcome |
the Lydians that were a warlike nacon , . nacon, devised | the Lydians that were a warlike nacon, nacon , . devised |
to bringe them to a more amore peaceable lyfe , lyfe, he changed | to bringe them to amore a more peaceable lyfe, lyfe , he changed |
theire apparrell and musicke , musicke, are in steade of theire | theire apparrell and musicke, musicke , are in steade of theire |
shorte warlike Coate , Coates, clothed them in OB longe garm en tes | shorte warlike Coates, Coate , clothed them in OB longe garm en tes |
like wyves , wyves, and insteade in steade of theire warlike musicke warlike, musicke, | like wyves, wyves , and in steade insteade of theire warlike, musicke, warlike musicke |
appointed to them certaine lascivyous layes and loose | appointed to them certaine lascivyous layes and loose |
gigges gigges, by w hi ch wch in shorte sparce space theire myndes were molly | gigges, gigges by wch w hi ch in shorte space sparce theire myndes were molly |
fied , fied, and abated that they forgott theire form er feircenes | fied, fied , and abated that they forgott theire form er feircenes |
and became and because most tender and effeminate , tender, and effeminate, whereby | and because and became most tender, and effeminate, tender and effeminate , whereby |
yt appeareth appeareth, that theire is not a little alittle in the garm en t | yt appeareth, appeareth that theire is not alittle a little in the garm en t |
to the foshoninge fashoninge of the minde and condycons , condycons, but | to the fashoninge foshoninge of the minde and condycons, condycons , but |
bee these w hi ch wch yee have discribed the fashions of the | bee these wch w hi ch yee have discribed the fashions of the |
Irishe weedes : ~ : weeds: -: | Irishe weeds: -: weedes : ~ : |
Iren: Noe all these w hi ch wch I haue rehearsed to yow bee not | Iren: Noe all these wch w hi ch I haue rehearsed to yow bee not |
Irishe garmentes , garmentes., but Englishe : Englishe: for the quilted leather | Irishe garmentes., garmentes , but Englishe: Englishe : for the quilted leather |
Iacke Jacke is ould Englishe , Englishe, for yt was the prop er weede | Jacke Iacke is ould Englishe, Englishe , for yt was the prop er weede |
of the horsman as yee maye rede reed in Chawcer, when Chawcer , where | of the horsman as yee maye reed rede in Chawcer , where Chawcer, when |
he discribeth S i r Thopas apparrell and armour armour, | he discribeth S i r Thopas apparrell and armour, armour |
when he wente to fought feight against the the, Geant w hi ch wch | when he wente to feight fought against the, the Geant wch w hi ch |
Cheklaton Checklaton is that kynde of gylden leather , w i th leather, wth | Checklaton Cheklaton is that kynde of gylden leather, wth leather , w i th |
w hi ch wch theye vse to Imbroader theare theire Irishe Iackes | wch w hi ch theye vse to Imbroader theire theare Irishe Iackes |
and theire likewise by all that discription . discription, yee | and theire likewise by all that discription, discription . yee |
maye see the verie fashion and manner of | maye see the verie fashion and manner of |
the Irishe horsemen most liuelie sett out in his | the Irishe horsemen most liuelie sett out in his |
longe | longe |
Folio 44v | Folio 44v |
longe hose , hose, his shoes of Costlie Cordwaiine , Cordwaine, his harqueton | longe hose, hose , his shoes of Costlie Cordwaine, Cordwaiine , his harqueton |
and his haberion w hi ch wth all the rest there vnto belonginge : belonginge: | and his haberion wth w hi ch all the rest there vnto belonginge: belonginge : |
Eudox: Eudox : I surelie thought that that manner had bene | Eudox : Eudox: I surelie thought that that manner had bene |
kyndelie Irishe , Irishe, for yt is farr differinge from | kyndelie Irishe, Irishe , for yt is farr differinge from |
that wee haue now , now, as also all the furniture of his | that wee haue now, now , as also all the furniture of his |
horse , horse, his stronge brase bitt , bitt, his slydinge raynes , his raynes, his | horse, horse , his stronge brase bitt, bitt , his slydinge raynes, his raynes , his |
shanke pillyon w i th out pillyon, wthout stirrops his manner of mounting mountinge | shanke pillyon, wthout pillyon w i th out stirrops his manner of mountinge mounting |
his fashion of rydinge , rydinge, his charginge of spears speare | his fashion of rydinge, rydinge , his charginge of speare spears |
aloft aboue hand , hand, the forme of his speare speare:: | aloft aboue hand, hand , the forme of his speare:: speare |
Iren: Iren : Noe sure they be natiue Englishe and brought | Iren : Iren: Noe sure they be natiue Englishe and brought |
in by the Englishe men , men, first into Ireland, neither | in by the Englishe men, men , first into Ireland, neither |
is the same a yett counted an vncomelie manner of | is the same a yett counted an vncomelie manner of |
rydinge , rydinge,: for I haue hearde some greate warryors warryers | rydinge,: rydinge , for I haue hearde some greate warryers warryors |
saye, that in all these servyces w hi ch wch they had seene | saye, that in all these servyces wch w hi ch they had seene |
abroade in forrayne Countries Countries, they never sawe a | abroade in forrayne Countries, Countries they never sawe a |
more comelie horseman horsman, then the Irishe man man, nor | more comelie horsman, horseman then the Irishe man, man nor |
that cometh com m eth on more brauelie in his Charge , ~ Charge,- | that com m eth cometh on more brauelie in his Charge,- Charge , ~ |
neither is his manner of mountinge vnsemelie | neither is his manner of mountinge vnsemelie |
thoughe he lacke styrropps styrropps, but more readye the n then | thoughe he lacke styrropps, styrropps but more readye then the n |
w i th styrrops , wth styrrops, for in his gettinge vpp his horse | wth styrrops, w i th styrrops , for in his gettinge vpp his horse |
is still goinge whereby he gayneth waye , waye, and | is still goinge whereby he gayneth waye, waye , and |
there fore the stirrop therefore the stirropp was called the so fio in scorne | therefore the stirropp there fore the stirrop was called the fio so in scorne |
as yt were a stare astare to gett vpp , vpp, beinge derived | as yt were astare a stare to gett vpp, vpp , beinge derived |
out of the ould Englishe worde , worde, Sty, w hi ch wch is to mount. mount | out of the ould Englishe worde, worde , Sty, wch w hi ch is to mount mount. |
Eudox: Eudox : It semeth then that yow fynde noe faulte | Eudox : Eudox: It semeth then that yow fynde noe faulte |
w i th wth this manner of rydinge why rydinge, whye then would yow | wth w i th this manner of rydinge, whye rydinge why then would yow |
haue the gylded Iacke layde awaye : | haue the gylded Iacke layde awaye : |
Iren: Iren : I would not haue that laide awaye , awaye, but the abuse | Iren : Iren: I would not haue that laide awaye, awaye , but the abuse |
thereof to bee putt awaye awaye: for beinge vsed to | thereof to bee putt awaye: awaye for beinge vsed to |
the ende that yt was framed , framed, that is to bee | the ende that yt was framed, framed , that is to bee |
worne in warr vnder a shirte of male yt | worne in warr vnder a shirte of male yt |
is allowable , allowable, as also the shirte of maile | is allowable, allowable , as also the shirte of maile |
and all his other furniture , furniture, but to bee worne dalie | and all his other furniture, furniture , but to bee worne dalie |
at home | at home |
Folio 45r 45r; written "44" | 45r; written "44" Folio 45r |
44 at home as in townes OB d Civill places, yt is arude habite | at home as in townes OB d Civill places, yt is arude habite 44 |
and Civill places , yt is a rude habite most vncomelie seeminge like aplayers painted coate.: | at home as in townes and most vncomelie seeminge like aplayers painted coate.: Civill places , yt is a rude habite |
and most vncomelie seeminge like a players painted coate Eudox : But it is worne they saye of Irishe footemen, how | Eudox and most vncomelie seeminge like a players painted coate : But it is worne they saye of Irishe footemen, how |
Eudox: But it is worne they saye doe yow allowe of Irishe footemen , how that, for I should thincke yt were | doe yow allowe Eudox: But it is worne they saye of that, for I should thincke yt were Irishe footemen , how |
doe yow allowe of that , for I should thincke yt were vnseemelie: | vnseemelie: doe yow allowe of that , for I should thincke yt were |
vnseemelie Iren : Noe not as yt is vsed in warr for yt is then worne | Iren vnseemelie : Noe not as yt is vsed in warr for yt is then worne |
Iren: Noe not as yt is vsed in warr for yt is then worne | Iren: Noe not as yt is vsed in warr for yt is then worne |
likewise likewise of a footeman they call a Galloglasse | likewise likewise of a footeman they call a Galloglasse |
the w hi ch wch name doth discouer him to be also auncyente | the wch w hi ch name doth discouer him to be also auncyente |
Englishe servitor or yeoman , yeoman, And he beinge so | Englishe servitor or yeoman, yeoman , And he beinge so |
armed in alonge shorte a longe shyrte of mayle downe to the | armed in a longe shyrte alonge shorte of mayle downe to the |
calf of the legge w i th wth a longe braade broade axe in | calf of the legge wth w i th a longe broade braade axe in |
his hande , hande, was then pedes granis armaturae grauis armaturæ , and | his hande, hande , was then pedes grauis armaturæ granis armaturae , and |
was in steade of the armed footeman that now wea | was in steade of the armed footeman that now wea |
reth a Corselett , than Corselett, then before the Corselet were vsed | reth a Corselett, then Corselett , than before the Corselet were vsed |
or any almost invented . invented: | or any almost invented: invented . |
Eudox: Eudox : Then him belike yow also allowe in yo u r yor streight | Eudox : Eudox: Then him belike yow also allowe in yor yo u r streight |
reformacon of old Customes . Customes: | reformacon of old Customes: Customes . |
Iren: Both him and the kearne Kearne also whom (whom onelye I tooke | Iren: Both him and the Kearne kearne also (whom whom onelye I tooke |
to be the prop er Irishe souldyer , souldyor, can I allow , allow, so that they | to be the prop er Irishe souldyor, souldyer , can I allow, allow , so that they |
vse that habyte and Custome of theirs in the warrs | vse that habyte and Custome of theirs in the warrs |
onelye , onelye, when they are ledd for the forthe to the service of | onelye, onelye , when they are ledd forthe for the to the service of |
theire Prince , Prince, and not vsuall at home , home, and in | theire Prince, Prince , and not vsuall at home, home , and in |
Civill places places, and besydes doe laye laye, asyde the evill | Civill places, places and besydes doe laye, laye asyde the evill |
wylde vses , w hi ch vses, wch the Galloghglasse doe and Kerne doe Kerne: doe | wylde vses, wch vses , w hi ch the Galloghglasse doe and Kerne: doe Kerne doe |
vse in on theire evill trade of lyfe :: lyfe::: | vse on in theire evill trade of lyfe::: lyfe :: |
Eudox: Eudox : What bee those those: | Eudox : Eudox: What bee those: those |
Iren: Iren : Marrie those bee the most loathlie and barborous ~ - | Iren : Iren: Marrie those bee the most loathlie and barborous - ~ |
Condycons of anye people I thincke vnder heaven , heaven, for | Condycons of anye people I thincke vnder heaven, heaven , for |
from the tyme that they enter into that course , they course, they | from the tyme that they enter into that course, they course , they |
doe vse all the beastelye behavyour that maye | doe vse all the beastelye behavyour that maye |
bee , bee, to oppresse all men , men, they spoyle aswell the | bee, bee , to oppresse all men, men , they spoyle aswell the |
subiecte as the Enemye , Enemye, theye steale, they steale , the are | subiecte as the Enemye, theye steale, Enemye , they steale , the are |
Crewell and bloodye full full, of revenge , revenge, and delight | Crewell and bloodye full, full of revenge, revenge , and delight |
in deadlie execution execution, lycensius swearers and blasphemous blasphe mers : | in deadlie execution, execution lycensius swearers and blasphe mers : blasphemous |
comon com m on ravishers of weomen and murderers of children | com m on comon ravishers of weomen and murderers of children |
Eudox: Eudox : Those | Eudox : Eudox: Those |
Folio 45v | Folio 45v |
Eudox: Those bee most villanouse Condycions , Condycions, I marvale marvaile | Eudox: Those bee most villanouse Condycions, Condycions , I marvaile marvale |
Then then that ever they bee vsed or imployed , imployed, or almost suffred | then Then that ever they bee vsed or imployed, imployed , or almost suffred |
to lyve , lyve, what good can there bee then in them :: them: | to lyve, lyve , what good can there bee then in them: them :: |
Iren: Yet sure they are verie valyante and hardye for the | Iren: Yet sure they are verie valyante and hardye for the |
most p ar te greate endurors of could , labour , could, labour, hunger and | most p ar te greate endurors of could, labour, could , labour , hunger and |
all hardnesse , hardnesse, verie actiue , actiue, and stronge of hand , hand, verye | all hardnesse, hardnesse , verie actiue, actiue , and stronge of hand, hand , verye |
swifte of foote , foote, verie vigillante and circumspecte in theire | swifte of foote, foote , verie vigillante and circumspecte in theire |
enterprises , enterprises, verie p re sente in per ills p er ills, verie greate scorners | enterprises, enterprises , verie p re sente in p er ills, per ills verie greate scorners |
of death .: death:: | of death:: death .: |
Eudox: Surelie by this his that yee saye yt seemes the Irishe Irish | Eudox: Surelie by his this that yee saye yt seemes the Irish Irishe |
man is a verie brave souldyer . braue souldyer, | man is a verie braue souldyer, brave souldyer . |
Iren: Yea trulie even in that rude kynde of service hee service, he - | Iren: Yea trulie even in that rude kynde of service, he - service hee |
beareth h i m him self verie courragiouslie , courrageouslie, but when hee | beareth him h i m self verie courrageouslie, courragiouslie , but when hee |
cometh to experience of service a broade abroade, and is put to putto | cometh to experience of service abroade, a broade and is putto put to |
a peece or a pyke , apyke, he maketh as worthie a soildyer as souldyer as | a peece or apyke, a pyke , he maketh as worthie a souldyer as soildyer as |
any nacon he meteth w i th , wth, but lett vs I praye yow | any nacon he meteth wth, w i th , but lett vs I praye yow |
turne againe to our discourse of evill Customes amongst | turne againe to our discourse of evill Customes amongst |
the Irishe . Irishe: | the Irishe: Irishe . |
Eudox Mesemes Eudox: Me semes all this w hi ch wch yow speake of of, concerneth th e the | Eudox: Me semes Eudox Mesemes all this wch w hi ch yow speake of, of concerneth the th e |
Customes Customes, amongst the Irishe Irishe, verie materiallie , materiallie, for | Customes, Customes amongst the Irishe, Irishe verie materiallie, materiallie , for |
theire vses in warr are of noe small importanc e importance | theire vses in warr are of noe small importance importanc e |
to be considered , considered, aswell to reforme those w hi ch wch are ev ill goode, | to be considered, considered , aswell to reforme those wch w hi ch are goode, ev ill |
as to Confirme and contynewe those w hi ch wch are goode | as to Confirme and contynewe those wch w hi ch are goode |
but followe yow yo u r yor owne course , course, and shewe what | but followe yow yor yo u r owne course, course , and shewe what |
other theire Customes yow haue to dislike of of: | other theire Customes yow haue to dislike of: of |
EIren E Iren There is amongst them Irishe a Certain e Certaine | E Iren EIren There is amongst them Irishe a Certaine Certain e |
kynde of people called the bardes , w hi ch bardes, wch are to th em them | kynde of people called the bardes, wch bardes , w hi ch are to them th em |
in steade of Poets . Poetes, whose profession is to sett forth | in steade of Poetes, Poets . whose profession is to sett forth |
the pryses prayses and disprayses of men men, Noe: theire Poem s Poems | the prayses pryses and disprayses of men, men Noe: theire Poems Poem s |
or rymes the w hi ch wch are had in so high regard and | or rymes the wch w hi ch are had in so high regard and |
estymacon amongst them , them, that none dare displease | estymacon amongst them, them , that none dare displease |
them , them, for feare to rvn into reproch , reproch, through theire | them, them , for feare to rvn into reproch, reproch , through theire |
offence and to bee made infamous in the mouthes of | offence and to bee made infamous in the mouthes of |
all men , men, for theire vearses are taken vpp w i th upp wth | all men, men , for theire vearses are taken upp wth vpp w i th |
a gen agen er all applause , applause, and vsuallie sounge at all - | agen a gen er all applause, applause , and vsuallie sounge at all - |
feast meting metinges | feast metinges meting |
Folio 46r 46r; written "45" | 46r; written "45" Folio 46r |
45 feastinges me feast metinges, by certaine other p er sons whose | feastinges me feast metinges, by certaine other p er sons whose 45 |
feastine inges feast metinges , by certaine other p er sons whose proper function that is, wch also receyve for the same | proper function that is, wch also receyve for the same feastine inges feast metinges , by certaine other p er sons whose |
proper function that is w hi ch also receive for the same greate rewardes, and reputacon besides: | greate rewardes, and reputacon besides: proper function that is w hi ch also receive for the same |
greate rewardes , and reputacon besides Eudox: Doe yow blame this in them, wch I would otherwise | Eudox: Doe yow blame this in them, wch I would otherwise greate rewardes , and reputacon besides |
Eudox: Doe yow blame this in them , w hi ch I would otherwise haue thought to haue bene worthie of good accounte, | haue thought to haue bene worthie of good accounte, Eudox: Doe yow blame this in them , w hi ch I would otherwise |
haue thought and rather to haue bene worthie of good accounte , maintayned and augmented, | and rather haue thought to haue bene maintayned and augmented, worthie of good accounte , |
and rather amongst them, then to haue bene maintayned and augmented , disliked, for I haue | amongst them, then and rather to haue bene disliked, for I haue maintayned and augmented , |
amongst them , then to redd that in all ages, Poetes haue bene disliked , for I haue had in | redd that in all ages, Poetes amongst them , then to haue bene had in disliked , for I haue |
redd speciall reputac i on, and that in all ages , Poetes haue bene had in mee semes not wthout | speciall reputac i on, and redd that mee semes not wthout in all ages , Poetes haue bene had in |
speciall reputacon , and that mee semes not w greate reputac i th out on cause, for besides theire sweete | greate reputac speciall reputacon , and that mee semes not w i on cause, for besides theire sweete th out |
greate reputacon cause , for besides theire sweete inventions and most wittye layes, they are alwaies | inventions and most wittye layes, they are alwaies greate reputacon cause , for besides theire sweete |
inventions and most wittye layes , they are alwaies vsed to sett forth the good and vertuous, and to beate | vsed to sett forth the good and vertuous, and to beate inventions and most wittye layes , they are alwaies |
vsed to sett forth downe and disgrace the good and vertuous , and to beate badd and visious, so that | downe and disgrace vsed to sett forth the badd and visious, so that good and vertuous , and to beate |
downe and disgrace the badd and visious , so that manye braue yonge myndes haue often tymes, thorough | manye braue yonge myndes haue often tymes, thorough downe and disgrace the badd and visious , so that |
manye braue young myndes haue often tymes , thorough the hearinge, the praises and famous Eulogies of | the hearinge, the praises and famous Eulogies of manye braue young myndes haue often tymes , thorough |
the hearinge , the praises worthie men songe and famous Eulogies of reported vnto them, bene | worthie men songe the hearinge , the praises and reported vnto them, bene famous Eulogies of |
worthie men songe stirred vpp, to affect like com m ondacons, and reported vnto them , bene so to striue | stirred vpp, to affect like com m ondacons, worthie men songe and so to striue reported vnto them , bene |
stirred vpp , to affect vnto the like comondacons , and so to striue desertes, So they saye that the -- | vnto the stirred vpp , to affect like desertes, So they saye that the -- comondacons , and so to striue |
vnto the like desertes , So they saye that the ~ ~ | vnto the like desertes , So they saye that the ~ ~ |
Lacedemonians were more enclyned to desyre of honor | Lacedemonians were more enclyned to desyre of honor |
w i th wth the excellente verses of the Poete Tyrteus , then | wth w i th the excellente verses of the Poete Tyrteus , then |
w i th all wthall the exhortacions exhortacons of theire Captaines , Captaines, or authorities aucthorities | wthall w i th all the exhortacons exhortacions of theire Captaines, Captaines , or aucthorities authorities |
of theire rulers and magrates :: mag ist rates:: | of theire rulers and mag ist rates:: magrates :: |
Iren: It is most trewe that such Poets as in theire wry | Iren: It is most trewe that such Poets as in theire wry |
tinges , tinge, doe laboure to better the mann er s , s, and through | tinge, tinges , doe laboure to better the mann er s, s , and through |
the sweete baute baite of theire numbers to steale | the sweete baite baute of theire numbers to steale |
into the younge yonge spirites a desire desires of honour and vertue | into the yonge younge spirites a desires desire of honour and vertue |
to be hade in greate respect : respect: But these Irishe | to be hade in greate respect: respect : But these Irishe |
Bardes are for the most p ar te of another mynde, | Bardes are for the most p ar te of another mynde, |
and so farr from Instructing yonge men in morall | and so farr from Instructing yonge men in morall |
discypline discypline, that they them selues doe more deserve | discypline, discypline that they them selues doe more deserve |
to be sharplie discipled , sharpelie discipled, for they seldome vse to | to be sharpelie discipled, sharplie discipled , for they seldome vse to |
chuse Chuse vnto them selues the doinge doinges of good men , men, for | Chuse chuse vnto them selues the doinges doinge of good men, men , for |
the ornamentes of theire poems , poems, but whom so ever whomsoever | the ornamentes of theire poems, poems , but whomsoever whom so ever |
they fynde to bee most lycentious of lyfe most bold | they fynde to bee most lycentious of lyfe most bold |
and lawlesse in his doinges , doinges, most dangerous and | and lawlesse in his doinges, doinges , most dangerous and |
desperate :: desperate:: | desperate:: desperate :: |
Folio 46v | Folio 46v |
desperate in all p ar tes of disobdyence , disobedyence, and rebellious - | desperate in all p ar tes of disobedyence, disobdyence , and rebellious - |
disposition disposition, him they sett vpp and glorifie in theire rymes , rymes, | disposition, disposition him they sett vpp and glorifie in theire rymes, rymes , |
him they prayse to the people , people, and to young men make | him they prayse to the people, people , and to young men make |
an example to followe : followe: | an example to followe: followe : |
Eudox: I marvaile what kynde of speaches they can fynde | Eudox: I marvaile what kynde of speaches they can fynde |
or what case fase face they can putt on to prayse such lewde p er sons | or what fase case face they can putt on to prayse such lewde p er sons |
as lyve so lawleslie and lycenciouslie vpon stealthes | as lyve so lawleslie and lycenciouslie vpon stealthes |
and spoyles as most of them doe , doe, or how can they thincke | and spoyles as most of them doe, doe , or how can they thincke |
that any good minde will applaude the same : same: | that any good minde will applaude the same: same : |
Iren: There is none so badd Eudox: , but that shall | Iren: There is none so badd Eudox: , but that shall |
fynde some to favor : his doing is , doinges, but such lycentious | fynde some to favor : his doinges, doing is , but such lycentious |
p ar tes , p ar tes, as these , lendinge these, tendinge for the most p ar te to the | p ar tes, p ar tes , as these, tendinge these , lendinge for the most p ar te to the |
hurte of the Englishe , Englishe, or maintenance mauntenance of theire | hurte of the Englishe, Englishe , or mauntenance maintenance of theire |
owne lewde l libertie , OB libertie, they them selues beinge | owne lewde OB libertie, l libertie , they them selues beinge |
most desyrous thereof thereof, doe most allowe , allowe, Besides | most desyrous thereof, thereof doe most allowe, allowe , Besides |
these evill thinges beinge deckt and suborned w i th wth | these evill thinges beinge deckt and suborned wth w i th |
the gaye attyre of goodlie wordes , wordes, maye easelie | the gaye attyre of goodlie wordes, wordes , maye easelie |
deceave and carrye away awaye the affeccon of a young younge | deceave and carrye awaye away the affeccon of a younge young |
mynde , mynde, that is not well stayed , stayed, but desyrous of by | mynde, mynde , that is not well stayed, stayed , but desyrous by of |
some bold adventure to make proof of him self for - | some bold adventure to make proof of him self for - |
being (as they all bee ) bee) brought vpp Idlelie w i th out wthout | being (as they all bee) bee ) brought vpp Idlelie wthout w i th out |
awe of parentes w i th out wthout p re ceptes of m att ers aste rs , w i th out wthout feare | awe of parentes wthout w i th out p re ceptes of m aste rs att ers , wthout w i th out feare |
of offence , offence, not beinge dyrected nor ymployed in any | of offence, offence , not beinge dyrected nor ymployed in any |
Course of lyfe w hi ch wch maye carrie them OB to vertue | Course of lyfe wch w hi ch maye carrie them OB to vertue |
will easelie be drawen to followe such , such, as any ~ any- | will easelie be drawen to followe such, such , as any- any ~ |
shall sett before them , them, for a younge mynde cann ot cannot | shall sett before them, them , for a younge mynde cannot cann ot |
rest if he bee not still busyed in some goodnes , or goodnes, he | rest if he bee not still busyed in some goodnes, he goodnes , or |
will fynde him self such busynes as shall soone - | will fynde him self such busynes as shall soone - |
busie all about him , him, In w hi ch wch yf he shall fynde | busie all about him, him , In wch w hi ch yf he shall fynde |
any to praise him and to giue him encorragem encorragm en t , as | any to praise him and to giue him encorragm encorragem en t , as |
those , those, Bardes and rymers , rymers, did doe for lyttle we | those, those , Bardes and rymers, rymers , did doe for lyttle we |
rewarde or a share of a stollen cowe , cowe, then waxeth | rewarde or a share of a stollen cowe, cowe , then waxeth |
he most insolent and half madd , w hi ch madd, wth the | he most insolent and half madd, wth madd , w hi ch the |
loue of him self , self, and his owne lewde deedes , deedes, And | loue of him self, self , and his owne lewde deedes, deedes , And |
as for wordes to sett furth such lewdnesse yt is | as for wordes to sett furth such lewdnesse yt is |
not hard | not hard |
Folio 47r 47r; written "46" | 47r; written "46" Folio 47r |
46 not hard for them to giue agoodlie glose and painted | not hard for them to giue agoodlie glose and painted 46 |
not hard for them to giue a goodlie glose and painted shewe there vnto, borrowed, even from the praises wch | shewe there vnto, borrowed, even from the praises wch not hard for them to giue a goodlie glose and painted |
shewe there are p ro p er vnto , borrowed , even from the praises w hi ch vertue h yt self, as of a most notorious | are p ro p er shewe there vnto vertue h yt self, as of a most notorious , borrowed , even from the praises w hi ch |
are p ro p er vnto vertue h yt self , as of a most notorious theif and wicked outlawe, wch had lyved all his | theif and wicked outlawe, wch had lyved all his are p ro p er vnto vertue h yt self , as of a most notorious |
theif and wicked outlawe , w hi ch had lyved all his | theif and wicked outlawe , w hi ch had lyved all his |
tyme of spoyles and robberies one of theire Bardes | tyme of spoyles and robberies one of theire Bardes |
in his praise said , said, that he was none of those | in his praise said, said , that he was none of those |
Idle milke sopps that was brought vpp by the | Idle milke sopps that was brought vpp by the |
fyersyde , fyersyde, but that most of his dayes he spent | fyersyde, fyersyde , but that most of his dayes he spent |
in armes and valiant enterprises , enterprises, that he did | in armes and valiant enterprises, enterprises , that he did |
never eate his meate before he had wonne yt | never eate his meate before he had wonne yt |
w i th wth his sworde , sworde, that he laye not slugginge all | wth w i th his sworde, sworde , that he laye not slugginge all |
might y night v in a Cabben vnder his mantle , mantle, but vsed | night v might y in a Cabben vnder his mantle, mantle , but vsed |
comonlie to kepe others makinge , wakinge, to defende theire | comonlie to kepe others wakinge, makinge , to defende theire |
lyves , lyves, and did light his candle at the flame | lyves, lyves , and did light his candle at the flame |
of theire howses , howses, to leade him in the darknesse , darkenesse, | of theire howses, howses , to leade him in the darkenesse, darknesse , |
that the daye was his night and the night his | that the daye was his night and the night his |
daye , daye, that he loved not to lye longe woinge of | daye, daye , that he loved not to lye longe woinge of |
wentches to yeild to him , him, but where he came | wentches to yeild to him, him , but where he came |
he tooke by sorte force the spoyle of other mens love , love, | he tooke by force sorte the spoyle of other mens love, love , |
and lefte but lamentacon to there lovers : theire lovers: that | and lefte but lamentacon to theire lovers: there lovers : that |
his musicke was not the harpe nor layes of ~ - | his musicke was not the harpe nor layes of - ~ |
loue , loue, but the cryes of people people, and Clashinge of | loue, loue , but the cryes of people, people and Clashinge of |
armor , armor, and that fynallie he dyed not belovedwayled beloved wayled | armor, armor , and that fynallie he dyed not beloved wayled belovedwayled |
of manye , manye, but manye wayle when he dyed, | of manye, manye , but manye wayle when he dyed, |
that dearlie dearelie bought his death death, doe yow not thincke | that dearelie dearlie bought his death, death doe yow not thincke |
Eudoxus that manye manie of these praises might bee | Eudoxus that manie manye of these praises might bee |
applied applyed to men of best desert , desert, yett are they | applyed applied to men of best desert, desert , yett are they |
all yeilded to most notable traitors , trators, and amongst | all yeilded to most notable trators, traitors , and amongst |
some of the Irishe not smallye accompted of | some of the Irishe not smallye accompted of |
for the same when yt was first made , made, and | for the same when yt was first made, made , and |
sunge and sunge vnto a p er son of high degree they degre theye were bought as their there mann er | sunge and sunge vnto a p er son of high degre theye degree they were bought as there their mann er |
Eudox: and Well worthie sure , But tell me I praye yow is for fortie crownes: | is for fortie crownes: Eudox: and Well worthie sure , But tell me I praye yow |
Eudox: and Wel worthie sure, But tell me I praye yow | Eudox: and Wel worthie sure, But tell me I praye yow |
haue they anye arte in theire compositions or be they | haue they anye arte in theire compositions or be they |
any thinge . | any thinge . |
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any thinge wittye or wel favored , welfavored, as Poems should bee | any thinge wittye or welfavored, wel favored , as Poems should bee |
Iren: Yea trulie , trulie, I have caused dyverse of them to bee | Iren: Yea trulie, trulie , I have caused dyverse of them to bee |
translated vnto me , me, that I might vnderstand them them, | translated vnto me, me , that I might vnderstand them, them |
and surelie they favored of sweete witt and good in | and surelie they favored of sweete witt and good in |
vencon , vencon, but killedth skilledth not of the goodlie ornamentes of Poet rie Poetrie | vencon, vencon , but skilledth killedth not of the goodlie ornamentes of Poetrie Poet rie |
yett were they sprinckled w i th sprinckled, wth some prettie flowers of | yett were they sprinckled, wth sprinckled w i th some prettie flowers of |
theire owne naturall devise , w hi ch devise, wch gave good grace | theire owne naturall devise, wch devise , w hi ch gave good grace |
and Comelynesse vnto them ; them, The w hi ch wch it is for great e so greate | and Comelynesse vnto them, them ; The wch w hi ch it is so greate for great e |
pyttie to see so good an onram ornam en t abused to the grac ing gracinge | pyttie to see so good an ornam onram en t abused to the gracinge grac ing |
of wickednes and vice , w hi ch vice, wch would w i th wth good vsage vsaige | of wickednes and vice, wch vice , w hi ch would wth w i th good vsaige vsage |
serve to bewtyfie and adorne vertue , vertue, This | serve to bewtyfie and adorne vertue, vertue , This |
evill Custome there fore therefore needeth reformacon , reformacon, And | evill Custome therefore there fore needeth reformacon, reformacon , And |
who now next after the Irishe kerne , kerne, mee semes the | now who next after the Irishe kerne, kerne , mee semes the |
Irishe horse boyes horseboyes would come well in order the | Irishe horseboyes horse boyes would come well in order the |
vse of w hi ch wch though necessitie (as tymes nowe bee) | vse of wch w hi ch though necessitie (as tymes nowe bee) |
doe enforce , enforce, yet in the thorough reformacon reformac i on of that | doe enforce, enforce , yet in the thorough reformac i on reformacon of that |
realme , realme, they should bee cutt of of, for the cause whie | realme, realme , they should bee cutt of, of for the cause whie |
they must now be p er mitted is the wante of conveni ent convenient | they must now be p er mitted is the wante of convenient conveni ent |
Inns for lodginge of travellers on one horsebacke and of | Inns for lodginge of travellers one on horsebacke and of |
hostelers to tende theire horses by the waye , waye, But | hostelers to tende theire horses by the waye, waye , But |
when thinges things shalbee reduced to a better passe , the passe, this | when things thinges shalbee reduced to a better passe, this passe , the |
nedeth speciallie to bee reformed , reformed, for out of the fry frye | nedeth speciallie to bee reformed, reformed , for out of the frye fry |
of these rakehellye horseboyes horseboyes, growinge vpp in kna very knaverie | of these rakehellye horseboyes, horseboyes growinge vpp in knaverie kna very |
and vyllanie , vyllanie, are theire kerne contynewallye ~~ --- | and vyllanie, vyllanie , are theire kerne contynewallye --- ~~ |
supplyed and maintayned , maintayned, for harvinge havinge bene once brought | supplyed and maintayned, maintayned , for havinge harvinge bene once brought |
vpp an Idle horseboye , horseboye, he will neu er after fall | vpp an Idle horseboye, horseboye , he will neu er after fall |
to Laboure , laboure, but is onelie made fytt for the halte r halter. | to laboure, Laboure , but is onelie made fytt for the halter. halte r |
And these also ( the w hi ch (the wch is one foule oversight ) ar e oversight, are | And these also (the wch ( the w hi ch is one foule oversight, are oversight ) ar e |
for the most p ar te bredd vpp amongst Englishe | for the most p ar te bredd vpp amongst Englishe |
men and souldyors , souldyors, of whom learning to shoote | men and souldyors, souldyors , of whom learning to shoote |
in pece , pece, and beinge made acquainted w i th wth all the | in pece, pece , and beinge made acquainted wth w i th all the |
trades of the Englishe , Englishe, they are afterwardes whe n when | trades of the Englishe, Englishe , they are afterwardes when whe n |
they become kerne made more fytt to Cutt | they become kerne made more fytt to Cutt |
theire throates , theire throates, Next to this theire is another | theire throates, theire throates , Next to this theire is another |
much like | much like |
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47 much lyke, but much more lyke lewde and dishonest, and | much lyke, but much more lyke lewde and dishonest, and 47 |
much lyke , but much more lyke lewde and dishonest , and that is of theire Carrowes wch is a kynde of people | that is of theire Carrowes wch is a kynde of people much lyke , but much more lyke lewde and dishonest , and |
that is of theire Carrowes w hi ch is a kynde of people Wander vpp and downe gentlemens howses | that Wander vpp and downe gentlemens howses is of theire Carrowes w hi ch is a kynde of people |
that wander vpp lyvinge onelye vpon Cardes and downe gentlemens howses dyce, the wch - | lyvinge onelye vpon Cardes that wander vpp and dyce, the wch - downe gentlemens howses |
lyvinge onelye vpon Cardes and dyce , the w hi ch ~~ though they haue little or nothing of theire owne, yett will | though they haue little or nothing of theire owne, yett will lyvinge onelye vpon Cardes and dyce , the w hi ch ~~ |
though they haue little or nothing of theire owne , yett will they playe for much monye, wch yf they wynne | they playe for much monye, wch yf they wynne though they haue little or nothing of theire owne , yett will |
they playe for much monye , w hi ch they waste most lightlie, and yf they wynne loose | they waste most lightlie, and they playe for much monye , w hi ch yf they loose wynne |
they waste most lightlie , and yf they loose they paye as slenderlie, but make recompence | they paye as slenderlie, but make recompence they waste most lightlie , and yf they loose |
they paye as slenderlie , but make recompence wth one stealth or another, whose onelye hurte | wth one stealth or another, whose onelye hurte they paye as slenderlie , but make recompence |
w i th one stealth or another whose onelye hurte are is not that they them selues are Idle losells, | are is not that they them selues are Idle losells, w i th one stealth or another whose onelye hurte |
are is not that they them selues are Idle losels , | are is not that they them selues are Idle losels , |
but that through gaminge they drawe others | but that through gaminge they drawe others |
to lyke lwedenes lewdenes and ydlenesse , ydlenesse, And to these | to lyke lewdenes lwedenes and ydlenesse, ydlenesse , And to these |
maye be added another sort sorte of like loose fellowes , fellowes, | maye be added another sorte sort of like loose fellowes, fellowes , |
w hi ch wch doe passe vpp and downe amongst gentlemen | wch w hi ch doe passe vpp and downe amongst gentlemen |
by the name of Iesters , Iesters, but are in deed notable | by the name of Iesters, Iesters , but are in deed notable |
roges and p ar takers not onelie of notable manie stealthes | roges and p ar takers not onelie of notable manie stealthes |
by settinge forth other mens goodes goodes, to be stolen , stolen, | by settinge forth other mens goodes, goodes to be stolen, stolen , |
but also privie to manye traytorous practizes.. practizes | but also privie to manye traytorous practizes practizes.. |
and comon Carriers of newes , w hi ch newes, wth desyre whereof | and comon Carriers of newes, wth newes , w hi ch desyre whereof |
yow would weounder wounder how much the Irishe are fedd fedd, | yow would wounder weounder how much the Irishe are fedd, fedd |
for they saye vse comonlie com m onlie to send vpp and downe to | for they saye vse com m onlie comonlie to send vpp and downe to |
knowe newes , newes, and yf any meete another his | knowe newes, newes , and yf any meete another his |
second worde is what newes , newes, In so much that | second worde is what newes, newes , In so much that |
hereof is tould a prettie Iest of a frenchman, | hereof is tould a prettie Iest of a frenchman, |
who havinge bene sometyme in Ireland, where | who havinge bene sometyme in Ireland, where |
hee marked theire great inquirie for newes, | hee marked theire great inquirie for newes, |
and metinge afterwardes in ffrance France an ~~ -- | and metinge afterwardes in France ffrance an -- ~~ |
Irishe man whom he knewe in Ireland , Ireland, first | Irishe man whom he knewe in Ireland, Ireland , first |
saluted him , him, and afterwardes this merelye , thus merelye, S i r | saluted him, him , and afterwardes thus merelye, this merelye , S i r |
I praye yow, (quoth he) tell me of Courtesie , Courtesie, haue | I praye yow, (quoth he) tell me of Courtesie, Courtesie , haue |
yow heard yett any thinge of the newes that ye | yow heard yett any thinge of the newes that ye |
so much inquired for in yo u r countrie yor countrie: | so much inquired for in yor countrie: yo u r countrie |
Eudox: This argueth my ag sure in them . a greate agreate | Eudox: This argueth ag my sure in them agreate . a greate |
desyre of | desyre of |
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besyre desyre of Innouacon , Innouac i on, and therefore these occasions w hi ch wch nourish | desyre besyre of Innouac i on, Innouacon , and therefore these occasions wch w hi ch nourish |
the same are to bee taken awaye , awaye, as namelye those | the same are to bee taken awaye, awaye , as namelye those |
Iesters Carrowes monashite Monashite and all such straglers straglers, | Iesters Carrowes Monashite monashite and all such straglers, straglers |
for whom me semes , semes, the shorte ryddance of a | for whom me semes, semes , the shorte ryddance of a |
marshall were meter then any ordynance or ~ - | marshall were meter then any ordynance or - ~ |
p ro hibytion to restrayne them : them, There fore I praye | p ro hibytion to restrayne them, them : There fore I praye |
yow restrayne them leaue all this rabblem en t of of | yow restrayne them leaue all this rabblem en t of of |
such loose runnagates and passe to some other custo mes customes: | such loose runnagates and passe to some other customes: custo mes |
Iren: Iren : There is a greate agreate vse amonge the Irishe to ~ -- | Iren : Iren: There is agreate a greate vse amonge the Irishe to -- ~ |
make greate assemblies to geather vpon a Rath | make greate assemblies to geather vpon a Rath |
or hill there to p ar lye (as they saye) about matters | or hill there to p ar lye (as they saye) about matters |
and wronges , and wronges, betwene Towneshipp and Towneshi pp Towneshipp | and wronges, and wronges , betwene Towneshipp and Towneshipp Towneshi pp |
or one p ri vate p er son and another , another, but well I wote tha t that | or one p ri vate p er son and another, another , but well I wote that tha t |
trewe yt hath bene oftentymes approued approued, that in these | trewe yt hath bene oftentymes approued, approued that in these |
metinges manye mischeifes haue bene both | metinges manye mischeifes haue bene both |
practized and wrought . ffor wrought: For to them , them, doe com monlye m onlie | practized and wrought: For wrought . ffor to them, them , doe com m onlie monlye |
resorte all , the scume of loose people people, where | resorte all , the scume of loose people, people where |
they maye frelie meete and conferr of what | they maye frelie meete and conferr of what |
they list , w hi ch as they list, wch elles they could not doe w i th out susp i wthout suspe | they list, wch elles they list , w hi ch as they could not doe wthout suspe w i th out susp i |
cion tion or knowledge of others others. Besydes at those these p ar lies | tion cion or knowledge of others. others Besydes at these those p ar lies |
I haue dyverse tymes knowen that manye | I haue dyverse tymes knowen that manye |
Englishe men , men, and other good Irishe subiectes haue | Englishe men, men , and other good Irishe subiectes haue |
bene villanouslie murdred , murdred, by movinge one quarr | bene villanouslie murdred, murdred , by movinge one quarr |
ell or another , another, amongst them : ffor them: For the Irish | ell or another, another , amongst them: For them : ffor the Irish |
never come to those Rathes , Rathes, but armed whether | never come to those Rathes, Rathes , but armed whether |
on horsebacke , or on foote w hi ch foote, wch the Englishe ….. englishe noting | on horsebacke , or on foote, wch foote w hi ch the englishe noting Englishe ….. |
nothing suspectinge , suspectinge, are then comonlie com m onlie taken | nothing suspectinge, suspectinge , are then com m onlie comonlie taken |
at tagge like sheepe in the pynfold : pynfold:: | at tagge like sheepe in the pynfold:: pynfold : |
Eudox: It maye bee Iren Iren: that abuse maye bee | Eudox: It maye bee Iren: Iren that abuse maye bee |
in these metinges , metinges, but these rounde hills and | in these metinges, metinges , but these rounde hills and |
square bawnes w hi ch bawnes, wch yow see so stronglie trenched | square bawnes, wch bawnes w hi ch yow see so stronglie trenched |
and throwen vpp vpp, were (they saye) at first ~~ -- | and throwen vpp, vpp were (they saye) at first -- ~~ |
ordayned for the same purpose , purpose, that people might | ordayned for the same purpose, purpose , that people might |
assemble them selues thereon . thereon, And therefore | assemble them selues thereon, thereon . And therefore |
auncyentlie | auncyentlie |
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48 | 48 |
Auncientlie they were called Folkemotes , that is | Auncientlie they were called Folkemotes , that is |
a place for people to meete or talke of any thinge anythinge | a place for people to meete or talke of anythinge any thinge |
that concerned any difference bettwene betwene p ar ties | that concerned any difference betwene bettwene p ar ties |
and Towneshipps , w hi ch Towne shipps, wch semeth yett to mee verie | and Towne shipps, wch Towneshipps , w hi ch semeth yett to mee verie |
requesite ~~ - - | requesite - - ~~ |
Iren: Yee saye verie trewe Eudox: , The first | Iren: Yee saye verie trewe Eudox: , The first |
makinge of these high hills ; hills, was at first | makinge of these high hills, hills ; was at first |
indeed to verie good purpose , purpose, for people to ~~ - - | indeed to verie good purpose, purpose , for people to - - ~~ |
meete , meete, but though the tymes when they were | meete, meete , but though the tymes when they were |
first made might well serue to good accasions , occasions, | first made might well serue to good occasions, accasions , |
as p er happs they did then in England , England, the good | as p er happs they did then in England, England , the good |
vse that then was of them is nowe turned to abuse : . abuse: | vse that then was of them is nowe turned to abuse: abuse : . |
ffor these For those are for the most p ar te in forme fower square well | For those ffor these are for the most p ar te in forme fower square well |
trenched , for the metinge of that The others | trenched , for the metinge of that The others |
that are round round, were cast vpp by the danes , Danes, as the | that are round, round were cast vpp by the Danes, danes , as the |
name of them doth betoken ; betoken, for they are called ~~ - - | name of them doth betoken, betoken ; for they are called - - ~~ |
Danerathes , that is halls hills of the danes the w hi ch Danes the wch were | Danerathes , that is hills halls of the Danes the wch danes the w hi ch were |
by them deuised , deuised, not for p ar lies and treaties , treaties, but appointed | by them deuised, deuised , not for p ar lies and treaties, treaties , but appointed |
as fortes , fortes, for them togather to gather vnto in troblesome | as fortes, fortes , for them to gather togather vnto in troblesome |
tymes tymes, when any tumulte arose , arose, for the danes Danes | tymes, tymes when any tumulte arose, arose , for the Danes danes |
beinge beinge, but a fewe in comparrison of the saxons | beinge, beinge but a fewe in comparrison of the saxons |
vsed this for theire saftie , saiftie, They made these | vsed this for theire saiftie, saftie , They made these |
small round halls , hills, so stronglie fenced in eu er ie quarter | small round hills, halls , so stronglie fenced in eu er ie quarter |
of the hundred , hundred, to the ende that yf in the night | of the hundred, hundred , to the ende that yf in the night |
or at any other tyme any crye or vprore should | or at any other tyme any crye or vprore should |
happen they might repare w i th all repaire wthall speed vnto | happen they might repaire wthall repare w i th all speed vnto |
theire owne forte w hi ch wch was appointed for theire | theire owne forte wch w hi ch was appointed for theire |
quarter and there remaine safe saif till they could | quarter and there remaine saif safe till they could |
assemble them selues in greate strength : ffor strength: For | assemble them selues in greate strength: For strength : ffor |
they were made so stronge w i th wth one small enterance | they were made so stronge wth w i th one small enterance |
that whosoever came thither first were hee one | that whosoever came thither first were hee one |
twoe , twoe, or like fewe hee or they might rest saif | twoe, twoe , or like fewe hee or they might rest saif |
and defende them selfes against manye till more | and defende them selfes against manye till more |
succor | succor |
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succor came vnto them : them: And when they were gathered | succor came vnto them: them : And when they were gathered |
to a suffycient number , nomber, they m ar ched to the next forte fortes | to a suffycient nomber, number , they m ar ched to the next fortes forte |
and so forward till they mett w i th the pill wth the p er ill or knowe the knewe the | and so forward till they mett wth the p er ill w i th the pill or knewe the knowe the |
occasion thereof , thereof, but besydes these twoe sortes of hills | occasion thereof, thereof , but besydes these twoe sortes of hills |
thereof were auncyentlie dyverse others , others, for some were | thereof were auncyentlie dyverse others, others , for some were |
raysed , where , raysed, where, there had bene a greate agreate battayle as a | raysed, where, raysed , where , there had bene agreate a greate battayle as a |
memorie or Trophes thereof , thereof, Others as Monum monum en t es tes | memorie or Trophes thereof, thereof , Others as monum Monum en tes t es |
of Buryall of Buryalls of the Carcases of all those that | of Buryalls of Buryall of the Carcases of all those that |
were slayne in any fight , fight, vpon whom they did thro we throwe | were slayne in any fight, fight , vpon whom they did throwe thro we |
vpp such round mountes as memorialls for them , them, and | vpp such round mountes as memorialls for them, them , and |
sometymes did cast vpp greate heapes of stones | sometymes did cast vpp greate heapes of stones |
on end in compasse , compasse, Everie of w hi ch wch they saye ~ ~ - - | on end in compasse, compasse , Everie of wch w hi ch they saye - - ~ ~ |
betokened some worthie p er son of note , note, there slaine , slaine, | betokened some worthie p er son of note, note , there slaine, slaine , |
and buried ffor buried. For this was there ancyent Custome | and buried. For buried ffor this was there ancyent Custome |
before Christyanitie came in amongst them , them, that | before Christyanitie came in amongst them, them , that |
church yardes were inclosed : inclosed: | church yardes were inclosed: inclosed : |
Eudox: Eudox : Yee haue verie well declared the originall of | Eudox : Eudox: Yee haue verie well declared the originall of |
these mountes and great stones , stones, encompassed w hi ch wth some | these mountes and great stones, stones , encompassed wth w hi ch some |
vainelie terme , terme, the ould Geantes tryuettes , tryuettes, and | vainelie terme, terme , the ould Geantes tryuettes, tryuettes , and |
thincke that those huge stones would not ells | thincke that those huge stones would not ells |
be brought into order or reared vpp w i th out wthout the | be brought into order or reared vpp wthout w i th out the |
strength of Geantes and others , others, as vainelie thincke thinckes | strength of Geantes and others, others , as vainelie thinckes thincke |
that they were never placed there by mans hand | that they were never placed there by mans hand |
or Arte , Arte, but onelye remayned there since the | or Arte, Arte , but onelye remayned there since the |
begynninge , begynninge, and weree afterwardes discovered discoverred by | begynninge, begynninge , and weree afterwardes discoverred discovered by |
the deluge , the deluge, and layd open by the washinge of the | the deluge, the deluge , and layd open by the washinge of the |
waters or other lyke casualtie , casualtie, But let them ~ - | waters or other lyke casualtie, casualtie , But let them - ~ |
dreame there owne Imadginacons to please them | dreame there owne Imadginacons to please them |
selues , selues, But yee haue satisfyed me much better | selues, selues , But yee haue satisfyed me much better |
both by that I see some confirmacon thereof in the | both by that I see some confirmacon thereof in the |
holye writt , writt, and also remember that I haue redd in | holye writt, writt , and also remember that I haue redd in |
manye histories and Cronicles , Cronicles, the lyke mountes and | manye histories and Cronicles, Cronicles , the lyke mountes and |
stones | stones |
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49 stones often tymes menconed:: | stones often tymes menconed:: 49 |
stones often tymes menconed : : | stones often tymes menconed : : |
Iren: There bee manie greate aucthorities I assure yow | Iren: There bee manie greate aucthorities I assure yow |
to proue the same , same, but as for these metinges on hills | to proue the same, same , but as for these metinges on hills |
whereof wee were speakinge yt is verie inconveniente y a t | whereof wee were speakinge yt is verie inconveniente y a t |
any mynded as they now bee and such should be p er mitted | any mynded as they now bee and such should be p er mitted |
speciallie in a people so evill mynded , mynded, as they now bee | speciallie in a people so evill mynded, mynded , as they now bee |
and dyverselie dyuerselie showe them selues : selues:: | and dyuerselie dyverselie showe them selues:: selues : |
Eudox: But yet is verie needfull mee semes for many | Eudox: But yet is verie needfull mee semes for many |
other purposes , purposes, as for the countrye to gather togeather | other purposes, purposes , as for the countrye to gather togeather |
when there is any imposition to be bee laid vpon them , them, to the | when there is any imposition to bee be laid vpon them, them , to the |
w hi ch wch they then all agree , agree, at such metinges to cutt and | wch w hi ch they then all agree, agree , at such metinges to cutt and |
deuide vpon them selues accordinge to theire holdinges | deuide vpon them selues accordinge to theire holdinges |
and abyllities , abyllities, so as yf at those assemblies , assemblies, yf there | and abyllities, abyllities , so as yf at those assemblies, assemblies , yf there |
bee anye offycers as Constables balifes or such lyke | bee anye offycers as Constables balifes or such lyke |
amongst them , them, there can bee noe p er ill or doubte of | amongst them, them , there can bee noe p er ill or doubte of |
such bad practizes : : :: | such bad practizes :: : : |
Iren : Iren: Neu er theles dangerous are such assemblies whether for | Iren: Iren : Neu er theles dangerous are such assemblies whether for |
Cesse or ought ells the constables and offycers beinge also | Cesse or ought ells the constables and offycers beinge also |
of the Irishe and yf any happen Heretobee theretobee of the Englishe | of the Irishe and yf any happen theretobee Heretobee of the Englishe |
even to them they maye proue p er illous , Therefore illous, There fore for avoy | even to them they maye proue p er illous, There fore illous , Therefore for avoy |
dinge of all such evill occasions they were best to be abollished abollished. | dinge of all such evill occasions they were best to be abollished. abollished |
Eudox But what is that w hi ch wch yow call Cesse yt is a word sure vn | Eudox But what is that wch w hi ch yow call Cesse yt is a word sure vn |
vsed amongst vs here , there fore here, therefore I praye pray yow expland expound y a t same : e same: | vsed amongst vs here, therefore here , there fore I pray praye yow expound expland y e same: a t same : |
Iren: Iren Cesse is more none other but y a t w hi ch yo u r wch yor self called ympo | Iren Iren: Cesse is more none other but y a t wch yor w hi ch yo u r self called ympo |
sition , sition, but yt is in a kynd vnacquainted p er happs vnto yow . ffor yow: For | sition, sition , but yt is in a kynd vnacquainted p er happs vnto yow: For yow . ffor |
there are Cesses of sondrie sortes , sortes, one the Cessing of sold | there are Cesses of sondrie sortes, sortes , one the Cessing of sold |
iors vpon the countrie , countrie, for Ireland beinge a Countrie of | iors vpon the countrie, countrie , for Ireland beinge a Countrie of |
warriors warr as yt is handled and alwaies full of soldyers soldyors they | warr as warriors yt is handled and alwaies full of soldyors soldyers they |
w hi ch wch haue the gou er ern m en t , whether they fynde yt the most ease | wch w hi ch haue the gou ern er m en t , whether they fynde yt the most ease |
to the quenes purse or most readye meanes at hand , hand, for | to the quenes purse or most readye meanes at hand, hand , for |
the virtuallinge the victuallinge of the soldyers or that necessitie ensureth ens OB ceth | the victuallinge the virtuallinge of the soldyers or that necessitie ens OB ceth ensureth |
them therevnto , thervnto, doe scatter the Armie abroade the Countrie | them thervnto, therevnto , doe scatter the Armie abroade the Countrie |
and plance place them in Townes to take there victualls of | and place plance them in Townes to take there victualls of |
them at such vacant tymes as they lye not in Campe | them at such vacant tymes as they lye not in Campe |
nor are | nor are |
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nor are otherwise ymployed in seruice , seruice, An other kynde of | nor are otherwise ymployed in seruice, seruice , An other kynde of |
Cesse is the ymposinge of p ro uision for the gou er nors howskeping | Cesse is the ymposinge of p ro uision for the gou er nors howskeping |
w hi ch wch though yt bee most necessarie , necessarie, and be also for avoydinge | wch w hi ch though yt bee most necessarie, necessarie , and be also for avoydinge |
of all the evills euills form er lie there in vsed , vsed, latelye brought broughte | of all the euills evills form er lie there in vsed, vsed , latelye broughte brought |
to a composition , composition, yet it is not yow out wthout great inconvenience inconveniences | to a composition, composition , yet it is not wthout yow out great inconveniences inconvenience |
no lesse then here in England , England, or rather much more more: | no lesse then here in England, England , or rather much more: more |
The like cesse is also Charged vpon the Countrie some | The like cesse is also Charged vpon the Countrie some |
tymes for victuallinge of the soldyors , soldyors, when they | tymes for victuallinge of the soldyors, soldyors , when they |
lye in garrison at such tymes as when there is | lye in garrison at such tymes as when there is |
none remayninge in the Quenes store , store, or that the | none remayninge in the Quenes store, store , or that the |
same cannot convenientlie bee conveyed to there place | same cannot convenientlie bee conveyed to there place |
of garrison , garrison, but those these twoe are not easye , easye, to bee | of garrison, garrison , but these those twoe are not easye, easye , to bee |
redressed , redressed, when necessitie there vnto compelleth : therevnto compelleth: but | redressed, redressed , when necessitie therevnto compelleth: there vnto compelleth : but |
as the form er , as yt is not necessarie so is it most hurtfull | as the form er , as yt is not necessarie so is it most hurtfull |
and offensyve to the poore Countrie , Countrie, and nothinge ~ - | and offensyve to the poore Countrie, Countrie , and nothinge - ~ |
conveinent convenient to the soldyer him self , self, who during his | convenient conveinent to the soldyer him self, self , who during his |
lyinge at Cesse vseth all kynde of outragious | lyinge at Cesse vseth all kynde of outragious |
disorder and villanye , villanye, both towardes thee poore me n | disorder and villanye, villanye , both towardes thee poore me n |
that victell and lodge them , them, and also to all the res t rest | that victell and lodge them, them , and also to all the rest res t |
of the countrie about them , them, whom they abuse spoy le spoyle | of the countrie about them, them , whom they abuse spoyle spoy le |
and afflicte , afflicte, by all the meanes they can invent , ffor invent, for | and afflicte, afflicte , by all the meanes they can invent, for invent , ffor |
they will not onelie not content contente them selues w i th wth such | they will not onelie not contente content them selues wth w i th such |
victualls as there hostes doe prouide , them prouide, them, nor yet | victualls as there hostes doe prouide, them, prouide , them nor yet |
as the place as the will aforde , aforde, But they will | as the place as the will aforde, aforde , But they will |
haue theire meale meate prouided for them , them, and aquavite aqua vitæ | haue theire meate meale prouided for them, them , and aqua vitæ aquavite |
sente for , for, yea and monye besydes layde at his | sente for, for , yea and monye besydes layde at his |
trencher , w hi ch trencher, wch yf hee wante , wante, then aboute the | trencher, wch trencher , w hi ch yf hee wante, wante , then aboute the |
howse he walketh w i th wth the wretched poore man and | howse he walketh wth w i th the wretched poore man and |
the syllye poore wyfe , wyfe, whoe are gladd to | the syllye poore wyfe, wyfe , whoe are gladd to |
parchase purchase there peace w i th wth any thinge , by w hi ch wch- | purchase parchase there peace wth w i th any thinge , by wch- w hi ch |
vyle mann er of abuse , abuse, the Countrye people ye yea and | vyle mann er of abuse, abuse , the Countrye people yea ye and |
the verie | the verie |
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50 the verie Englishe wch dwell abroad & see & somtymes feele these outragies growe | the verie Englishe wch dwell abroad & see & somtymes feele these outragies growe 50 |
the verie Englishe w hi ch dwell abroad & see & somtymes feele these outragies growe | the verie Englishe w hi ch dwell abroad & see & somtymes feele these outragies growe |
into great detestacon of the soldyer & thereby into hatred of the verye | into great detestacon of the soldyer & thereby into hatred of the verye |
gou er ern m en t w hi ch wch draweth vpon them such evills , evills, And therefore this yee may also | gou ern er m en t wch w hi ch draweth vpon them such evills, evills , And therefore this yee may also |
wyne w i th wth the form er evill customes w hi ch wch yee haue to reproue in Ireland :: Ireland:: | wyne wth w i th the form er evill customes wch w hi ch yee haue to reproue in Ireland:: Ireland :: |
Eudox: Trulie this one not the least , least, and though the p er sons of whom yt | Eudox: Trulie this one not the least, least , and though the p er sons of whom yt |
is vsed bee of better note then the form er rogishe sorte , w hi ch sorte, wch yee | is vsed bee of better note then the form er rogishe sorte, wch sorte , w hi ch yee |
reckoned , yet the faulte mee semes not noe lesse worthie of a m ar shall : shall: | reckoned , yet the faulte mee semes noe not lesse worthie of a m ar shall: shall : |
Iren: That were a hard course Eudox: to redresse eu er ie abuse by a | Iren: That were a hard course Eudox: to redresse eu er ie abuse by a |
m ar shall , shall, yt would seme to yow euill surgerie to cutt of eu er ye vnsound or | m ar shall, shall , yt would seme to yow euill surgerie to cutt of eu er ye vnsound or |
sicke p ar te of the bodye , w hi ch bodye, wch beinge by other due meanes recou er ed might | sicke p ar te of the bodye, wch bodye , w hi ch beinge by other due meanes recou er ed might |
afterwardes doe verie good seruice to the bodie againe , againe, and happelie | afterwardes doe verie good seruice to the bodie againe, againe , and happelie |
helpe to saue the whole , whole, Therefore I thincke better that some good | helpe to saue the whole, whole , Therefore I thincke better that some good |
salue for redresse of this evill bee sought forth , forth, then the least | salue for redresse of this evill bee sought forth, forth , then the least |
p ar te suffred to p er ishe , ishe, But hereof wee haue to speake in a | p ar te suffred to p er ishe, ishe , But hereof wee haue to speake in a |
nother place , place, Nowe wee will p ro ceed to the other like desertes, defectes, | nother place, place , Nowe wee will p ro ceed to the other like defectes, desertes, |
amonge w hi ch wch there is one gen er all Inconvenience w hi ch wch rayneth | amonge wch w hi ch there is one gen er all Inconvenience wch w hi ch rayneth |
almost thoroghout throughout all Ireland Ireland, and that of Lords Lordes of landes and | almost throughout thoroghout all Ireland, Ireland and that of Lordes Lords of landes and |
fre holders freholders, doe not there vse to sett out theire landes to farme | freholders, fre holders doe not there vse to sett out theire landes to farme |
or for tearme of yeares to theire tennantes , tennantes, but onelie from yeare | or for tearme of yeares to theire tennantes, tennantes , but onelie from yeare |
to yeare and some duringe pleasure , pleasure, neither in deed indeed will the Irishe | to yeare and some duringe pleasure, pleasure , neither indeed in deed will the Irishe |
tennant Tennant or husband otherwise take his land then so longe as he | Tennant tennant or husband otherwise take his land then so longe as he |
list himself , himself. The reason hereof in the Tena nt is , Tenn an t is, for that the | list himself. himself , The reason hereof in the Tenn an t is, Tena nt is , for that the |
landlordes there ther vse most shamefullie to racke their Tena ntes , ~ theire Tenn an tes, - | landlordes ther there vse most shamefullie to racke theire Tenn an tes, - their Tena ntes , ~ |
layinge vpon him Coignie and lyuerie Liuerie at pleasure and exactinge of him | layinge vpon him Coignie and Liuerie lyuerie at pleasure and exactinge of him |
besydes his couen an t t, what he please please, so y a t the poore husbandman husbandman, eyther dare not binde | besydes his couen an t, t what he please, please so y a t the poore husbandman, husbandman eyther dare not binde |
him self to him for longer tyme , or that he thincketh by his contynewall lib er tie not binde | not binde him self to him for longer tyme , or that he thincketh by his contynewall lib er tie |
of change him selfe to kepe him for longer tyme, or that he thincketh by his landlord , the rather in awe from wronginge him , and contynewall lib er tie | him selfe of change to him for longer tyme, or that he thincketh by kepe his contynewall lib er tie landlord , the rather in awe from wronginge him , and |
the reason why the landlord will not longer covenant w i th him , is for that he of change to kepe his landlord, the rather in awe from wronginge him, and | of change to kepe his landlord, the rather in awe from wronginge him, and the reason why the landlord will not longer covenant w i th him , is for that he |
dalie looketh change and alteracon and hovereth in expectacon of new ^ worldes: the reason why the landlord will not longer covenant wth him, is for that he | the reason why the landlord will not longer covenant wth him, is for that he dalie looketh change and alteracon and hovereth in expectacon of new ^ worldes: |
Eudox: But what evill cometh hereby to the comon wealth , or what dalie looketh change and alterac i on, and hovereth in expectacon of new worldes: | dalie looketh change and alterac i on, and hovereth in expectacon of new worldes: Eudox: But what evill cometh hereby to the comon wealth , or what |
reason is yt that any land lord should not sett nor any tenn an t take his land as him self list Eudox: But what evill com m eth hereby to the com m on wealth, or what | Eudox: But what evill com m eth hereby to the com m on wealth, or what reason is yt that any land lord should not sett nor any tenn an t take his land as him self list |
Iren: Marie the evills w hi ch cometh thereby are great for by this means reason is yt that any Landlord should not sett, nor any tenn an t take his land as | reason is yt that any Landlord should not sett, nor any tenn an t take his land as Iren: Marie the evills w hi ch cometh thereby are great for by this means |
both the landlord thincketh that he hath his Tena nt more at comaund to himself list | himself list both the landlord thincketh that he hath his Tena nt more at comaund to |
followe him into what action soever he will enter , And also Iren: Marie the Tenn an t beinge evilles wch com m eth thereby are great, for by this meane | Iren: Marie followe him into what action soever he will enter , And also the evilles wch com m eth thereby are great, for by this meane Tenn an t beinge |
lefte both the landlord thincketh that he hath his libertie is fyt for eu er ie variable occasyon of change y a Tenn an t more at com m aund to | both the landlord thincketh that he hath lefte at com m aund to his Tenn an libertie is fyt for eu er ie variable occasyon of change y a t more |
shalbe offreed by tyme followe him into what action soever he will enter , and so much And also the more willinge & redye is hee Tenn an t beinge | followe him into what action soever he will enter shalbe offreed by tyme , And and so much also the Tenn an t beinge more willinge & redye is hee |
to run into the same , lefte at his holdinge , libertie is fyt for that he hath noe such estate in any eu er ie variable occasyon of change y t | lefte at to run into the same , for eu er ie variable occasyon of change y t that he hath noe such estate in any his libertie is fyt holdinge , |
noe such buildinge vpon anye farme , noe such costes ymployed in fencinge shalbe offreed by tyme, and so much also the more willinge & redye is hee | shalbe offreed by tyme, and so much also the more willinge & redye is hee noe such buildinge vpon anye farme , noe such costes ymployed in fencinge |
and to run into the same, for that he hath noe such estate in any his holdinge, | to run into the same, for that he hath noe such estate in any his holdinge, and |
noe such buildinge vpon anye farme, noe such costes ymployed in fencinge | noe such buildinge vpon anye farme, noe such costes ymployed in fencinge |
and, | and, |
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and husbandringe the same , same, as might w i th wth hold him for anye | and husbandringe the same, same , as might wth w i th hold him for anye |
such wilfull course as his Lordes lordes cause and his owne lewde | such wilfull course as his lordes Lordes cause and his owne lewde |
disposition may carrie him vnto , vnto, All w hi ch wch he hath forborne and | disposition may carrie him vnto, vnto , All wch w hi ch he hath forborne and |
spared so much , expence , much, expence, for that he had noe form er estate in his | spared so much, expence, much , expence , for that he had noe form er estate in his |
tenem en t , but was onelye a tenn an t at will or little more , more, and | tenem en t , but was onelye a tenn an t at will or little more, more , and |
so at will maye leaue yt , yt, And this inconvenience may | so at will maye leaue yt, yt , And this inconvenience may |
bee reason enough , enough, to ground any ordinance for the good of a | bee reason enough, enough , to ground any ordinance for the good of a |
comon com m on wealth , - against the p ri vate behoofe or will of any | com m on comon wealth - , against the p ri vate behoofe or will of any |
Landlord , landlord, that shall refuse refuise to grante any such tenure or | landlord, Landlord , that shall refuise refuse to grante any such tenure or |
estate vnto his Tena nt Tenna n te as may tend to the good of the whol e whole | estate vnto his Tenna n te Tena nt as may tend to the good of the whole whol e |
realme : realme: | realme: realme : |
Eudox: Indeed mee semes seemes yt is a great agreat wilfulnes in any such | Eudox: Indeed mee seemes semes yt is agreat a great wilfulnes in any such |
landlord , to refuse landlord, to refuise to make any longer ffarmer Farmes vnto there | landlord, to refuise landlord , to refuse to make any longer Farmes ffarmer vnto there |
Tena ntes , Tenn an tes, as maye be sydes besydes the gen er all good of the Realme , Realme, bee al so also | Tenn an tes, Tena ntes , as maye besydes be sydes the gen er all good of the Realme, Realme , bee also al so |
greatlie for theire owne p ro fitt and avayle ffor avayle: For what reason reasonable | greatlie for theire owne p ro fitt and avayle: For avayle ffor what reasonable reason |
man will not thincke that the Tenem en t , shalbe made mu ch much | man will not thincke that the Tenem en t , shalbe made much mu ch |
the better for the Lordes beehoof , beehoof, y the tennant maye may by su ch such | the better for the Lordes beehoof, beehoof , y the tennant may maye by such su ch |
meanes bee drawen to build him self self, some haue some | meanes bee drawen to build him self, self some haue some |
habytacon thereof , thereof, to dytch and enclose his ground , his inclose his ground, to | habytacon thereof, thereof , to dytch and inclose his ground, to enclose his ground , his |
manure and husband yt as good ffarmers vse : ffor Farmers vse: For | manure and husband yt as good Farmers vse: For ffarmers vse : ffor |
when his Tenn an tes tearme shalbe expyred , expyred, yt will ~ - | when his Tenn an tes tearme shalbe expyred, expyred , yt will - ~ |
yeild him in the renewinge his lease , lease, both a good agood fyne and | yeild him in the renewinge his lease, lease , both agood a good fyne and |
also a better rent , rent, for the good of the Tenn an t likewise likewise, | also a better rent, rent , for the good of the Tenn an t likewise, likewise |
who by such buildinges and inclosures , inclosures, shall receyve many | who by such buildinges and inclosures, inclosures , shall receyve many |
benyfytes , benyfytes, first by his handsomnes of his howse , howse, he shall tak e take | benyfytes, benyfytes , first by his handsomnes of his howse, howse , he shall take tak e |
great comforte of his life , life, more self saif dwellinge , dwellinge, and | great comforte of his life, life , more self saif dwellinge, dwellinge , and |
a delight to kepe his said howse neate and cleanelie | a delight to kepe his said howse neate and cleanelie |
w hi ch wch now beinge as the are they are OB comonlie are rather swyns steades swynsteades | wch w hi ch now beinge as they are OB the are comonlie are rather swynsteades swyns steades |
then howses, is the cheifest cause of lyfe and salvage condycon , lyinge and lyvinge togea ther his so beastlie mannor | of his so beastlie mannor lyfe and salvage condycon , lyinge and lyvinge togea ther |
w of lyfe and salvage condyc i th his beast in one howse in one Roome and in one bedd, th at on, lyinge and lyvinge togeather | of lyfe and salvage condyc w i on, lyinge and lyvinge togeather th his beast in one howse in one Roome and in one bedd, th at |
is the Cleane strawe , or rather the fowle donghill , wth his beast in one howse in one Roome and to in one bedd, that | wth his beast in one howse in one Roome is the Cleane strawe , or rather the fowle donghill , and in one bedd, that to |
all these other comodyties he shall in shorte tyme fynd is the Cleane strawe, or rather the fowle donghill, and to | is the Cleane strawe, or rather the fowle donghill, and to all these other comodyties he shall in shorte tyme fynd |
a greater added that is his owne wealth and riches , encr ea all these other comodyties he shall in shorte tyme fynde | all these other comodyties he shall in shorte tyme fynde a greater added that is his owne wealth and riches , encr ea |
agreater added that is his owne wealth and riches, encrea | agreater added that is his owne wealth and riches, encrea |
sed | sed |
Folio 52r 52r; written "51" | 52r; written "51" Folio 52r |
51 encreased, and wounderfullie enlarged by kepinge his Cattell in | encreased, and wounderfullie enlarged by kepinge his Cattell in 51 |
encreased , and wounderfullie enlarged by kepinge his Cattell in enclosures, where they shall alwaies, haue freshe pastures | enclosures, where they shall alwaies, haue freshe pastures encreased , and wounderfullie enlarged by kepinge his Cattell in |
enclosures , where they shall alwaies , haue freshe pastures that now is all trampled and ou er run, warme couer y t now | that now is all trampled and ou er run, warme couer y t now enclosures , where they shall alwaies , haue freshe pastures |
lyeth vpen to all trampled and ou er run , warme couer y a t now weather, safe beinge, that now is are conty | that now are conty is all weather, safe beinge, trampled and ou er run , warme couer y a t now |
lyeth vpon to all weather , safe beinge that now are conty newallie, filched and stollen: | newallie, filched and stollen: lyeth vpon to all weather , safe beinge that now are conty |
newallie filched and stollen Iren: Yee haue well Eudox : accompted the comodities of this one | Iren: Yee haue well Eudox newallie filched and stollen : accompted the comodities of this one |
Iren: Yee haue well Eudox accompted the comodities of good ordynance amongst wch this one that yee named last, is not | good ordynance amongst wch Iren: Yee haue well Eudox accompted the comodities of this that yee named last, is not one |
good ordynance amongst w hi ch his that yee named last , is not the least for all thother beinge most benyficiall, both to | the least for all thother beinge most benyficiall, both to good ordynance amongst w hi ch his that yee named last , is not |
the least for all thother beinge most benyficiall , both to the Landlord and the Tennant, this cheiflie redowndeth | the Landlord and the Tennant, this cheiflie redowndeth the least for all thother beinge most benyficiall , both to |
the Landlord and the Tennant , this cheiflie redowndeth to the good of the Com m on wealth, to haue the lande thus | to the good of the Com m on wealth, to haue the lande thus the Landlord and the Tennant , this cheiflie redowndeth |
to the good of the Comon wealth to haue the lands thus inclosed and well fenced: For yt is both a principall barr | inclosed and well fenced: For yt is both a principall barr to the good of the Comon wealth to haue the lands thus |
and well fenced ffor yt is both aprincipall barr ympeachm en t vnto theaves from stealinge of Cattell in | inclosed and ympeachm en t vnto theaves from stealinge of Cattell in well fenced ffor yt is both aprincipall barr |
and ympeachm en t vnto theaves from stealinge of Cattell in the night, and also agaule against all Rebells, and | the night, and also agaule against all Rebells, and and ympeachm en t vnto theaves from stealinge of Cattell in |
the night , and also a gaule owtlawes that shall ryse vpp in any nombers against all Rebells , and | owtlawes that shall ryse vpp in any nombers the night , and also a gaule against all Rebells , and |
owtlawes gou ern m t , that for the theef therby shall ryse vpp in any nombers against haue much adoe, fr | gou ern m t owtlawes , for the theef therby that shall haue much adoe, fr ryse vpp in any nombers against |
gou er m en t , for the theef thereby shall haue much adoe , fr first to bringe forth and afterwardes to dryve, his | first to bringe forth and afterwardes to dryve, his gou er m en t , for the theef thereby shall haue much adoe , fr |
first to bringe forth and afterwardes to dryve his stollen praye, but through the Comon high wayes, | stollen praye, but through the Comon high wayes, first to bringe forth and afterwardes to dryve his |
stollen praye , but through the Comon high wayes , where he shall soone bee f OB discryed and mett w thall | where he shall soone bee f OB discryed and mett w thall stollen praye , but through the Comon high wayes , |
and mett w i th all the Rebell or open enemye, yf any such shall soone bee f... distryed | where he shall soone bee f... distryed and the Rebell or open enemye, yf any such mett w i th all |
and the Rebell happen, eyther at home or open enemye , yf any such from abroad shall easelie | happen, eyther at home and the Rebell or from abroad open enemye , yf any such shall easelie |
happen eyther at home or from abroad shall easelie bee found, when he com m eth forth, and bee well encountred | bee found, when he com m eth forth, and bee well encountred happen eyther at home or from abroad shall easelie |
bee found , when he cometh forth wthall by a fewe, in so straight passages and bee well encountred stronge | wthall by a fewe, in so straight passages bee found , when he cometh forth and stronge bee well encountred |
w i th all by a fewe in so straight passages and stronge enclosures: This therefore when wee come to the | enclosures: This therefore when wee come to the w i th all by a fewe in so straight passages and stronge |
enclosures : This therefore when wee come to the | enclosures : This therefore when wee come to the |
reforminge of all these evills customes before menconed | reforminge of all these evills customes before menconed |
is needfull needful to bee remembred remembred: But now by this tyme | is needful needfull to bee remembred: remembred But now by this tyme |
mee seemes that I haue well Runn through the evill | mee seemes that I haue well Runn through the evill |
vses , w hi ch vses, wch I haue obserued in Ireland , Ireland, Neu er theles I will | vses, wch vses , w hi ch I haue obserued in Ireland, Ireland , Neu er theles I will |
note that manie more there bee and infinitelie in finitelie many | note that manie more there bee and in finitelie infinitelie many |
more in the private abuses of men men, but these that are | more in the private abuses of men, men but these that are |
most gen er all and tendinge to the hurte of the Comon Com m on Wealth | most gen er all and tendinge to the hurte of the Com m on Comon Wealth |
as they haue come to my remembrance I haue as breiflie as I | as they haue come to my remembrance I haue as breiflie as I |
could rehearsed vnto yow , yow, and there fore I thincke best that | could rehearsed vnto yow, yow , and there fore I thincke best that |
wee passe to our third p ar te , te, in w hi ch wch wee noted inconveniences incoveniences | wee passe to our third p ar te, te , in wch w hi ch wee noted incoveniences inconveniences |
that is in Religion | that is in Religion |
Eudox :: Eudox:: | Eudox:: Eudox :: |
Folio 52v | Folio 52v |
Eudox: Surelie yee haue verie well handled these ij form er ~~~~~~ ------ | Eudox: Surelie yee haue verie well handled these ij form er ------ ~~~~~~ |
And yf yow shall doe well goe through the third lykewi se lykewise, | And yf yow shall doe well goe through the third lykewise, lykewi se |
yee shall meritt a vearie good meede :: meede:: | yee shall meritt a vearie good meede:: meede :: |
Iren Lyttle haue I to saie of relidgion , relidgion, both because | Iren Lyttle haue I to saie of relidgion, relidgion , both because |
the p ar tes thereof be not manie , manie, yt self beinge but | the p ar tes thereof be not manie, manie , yt self beinge but |
one , one, and my self haue not bene much conversant | one, one , and my self haue not bene much conversant |
in that callinge , callinge, but as lightlie passing by , by, I | in that callinge, callinge , but as lightlie passing by, by , I |
haue sene or heard : heard: Therefore the faulte w hi ch wch I | haue sene or heard: heard : Therefore the faulte wch w hi ch I |
fynde in relidgion , relidgion, is but one , one, but the same vniu er sal sall | fynde in relidgion, relidgion , is but one, one , but the same vniu er sall sal |
through out all that Countrie , Countrie, that is that they | through out all that Countrie, Countrie , that is that they |
are all papistes by theire profession , profession, but in the same | are all papistes by theire profession, profession , but in the same |
so blindelie and brutishelie enformed , enformed, for the most | so blindelie and brutishelie enformed, enformed , for the most |
p ar te as that yow would rather thincke them Athiest s Athistes | p ar te as that yow would rather thincke them Athistes Athiest s |
or Infydells , Infydells, but not one amongst an hundred ~ - | or Infydells, Infydells , but not one amongst an hundred - ~ |
knoweth anye ground of relidgion and article of | knoweth anye ground of relidgion and article of |
his faithe , his faithe, but can p er happs say saye his pater nost er noster | his faithe, his faithe , but can p er happs saye say his pater noster nost er |
or his Aue Maria w i th out one worde thereof meaneth Maria: wthout any knowledge or | or his Aue Maria: wthout any knowledge or Maria w i th out one worde thereof meaneth |
Eudox: This is trulie a most pyttifull ~ vnderstandinge what one worde thereof meaneth: | vnderstandinge what one worde thereof meaneth: Eudox: This is trulie a most pyttifull ~ |
hearing , that so manye soules should fall into Eudox:: This is trulie a most pyttifull- | Eudox:: This is trulie a most pyttifull- hearing , that so manye soules should fall into |
the devills handes at once , and lacke the bless ed hearing, that so manye soules should fall into | hearing, that so manye soules should fall into the devills handes at once , and lacke the bless ed |
comforte of the sweete gospell the Devills handes at once, and Christes dea re lacke the blessed | the Devills handes at once, comforte of the sweete gospell and lacke the blessed Christes dea re |
passion : Aye mee how cometh yt to passe , that comforte of the sweete gospell and Christes deare | comforte of the sweete gospell and Christes deare passion : Aye mee how cometh yt to passe , that |
beinge a people as they are tradinge w i th so many passion : Aye mee how cometh yt to passe that | passion : Aye mee how cometh yt to passe that beinge a people as they are tradinge w i th so many |
nacons , and frequented of beinge a people as they ~ are tradinge wth so many , yet | beinge a people as nacons , and frequented of so many , yet they are tradinge wth ~ |
nacons, and frequented of so many, yet theye | nacons, and frequented of so many, yet theye |
have not tasted any p ar te of those happie | have not tasted any p ar te of those happie |
Ioyes , Ioyes, nor once bene lightened w i th wth the | Ioyes, Ioyes , nor once bene lightened wth w i th the |
morninge starr of truth , truth, but lye meltinge | morninge starr of truth, truth , but lye meltinge |
in such spirituall darkenes , darkenes, hard by hell s | in such spirituall darkenes, darkenes , hard by hell s |
mouth , mouth, even readie to fall in , in, yf god happe lie happelie | mouth, mouth , even readie to fall in, in , yf god happelie happe lie |
helpe not : not: | helpe not: not : |
Iren the Gen er all faulte cometh not of any l ate anye late | Iren the Gen er all faulte cometh not of anye late any l ate |
abuse abuse: | abuse: abuse |
Folio 53r 53r; written "52" | 53r; written "52" Folio 53r |
52 OB abuse eyther in the people or theire preistes, who | OB abuse eyther in the people or theire preistes, who 52 |
. abuse other in the people or theire preistes , who can teach better then knowe,- nor shewe noe more | can teach better then knowe,- nor shewe noe more . abuse other in the people or theire preistes , who |
can teach better then knowe , nor shewe noe more | can teach better then knowe , nor shewe noe more |
lighte then they haue sene but in the first institu | lighte then they haue sene but in the first institu |
con and planting plantinge relidgion in all that Realme , w hi ch Realme, wch | con and plantinge planting relidgion in all that Realme, wch Realme , w hi ch |
(was as I reade reade) in the tyme of Poope Calestine, Calestine , | (was as I reade) reade , in the tyme of Poope Calestine Calestine, |
who as yt is wrytten did first sende over thother | who as yt is wrytten did first sende over thother |
Pallidus , who theire deceasinge , deceasinge, he afterwardes sent | Pallidus , who theire deceasinge, deceasinge , he afterwardes sent |
over , St over, S t Patricke beinge by nacon nac i on a bryton , bryton, | over, S t over , St Patricke beinge by nac i on nacon a bryton, bryton , |
who converted the people beinge then infydells | who converted the people beinge then infydells |
from paganisme and christyned them : them: In w hi ch wch Poopes | from paganisme and christyned them: them : In wch w hi ch Poopes |
tyme and longe before , before, yt is certene that religion | tyme and longe before, before , yt is certene that religion |
was gen er alie corrupted , w i th allie corrupted, wth theire popishe ~ - | was gen er allie corrupted, wth alie corrupted , w i th theire popishe - ~ |
trumperie , trumperie: Therefore what other could they lea | trumperie: trumperie , Therefore what other could they lea |
rne ; rne, then such trashe as was taught them them, and | rne, rne ; then such trashe as was taught them, them and |
drincke of that Cupp of fornication , w i th w hi ch fornication, wth wch | drincke of that Cupp of fornication, wth wch fornication , w i th w hi ch |
the people purple harlott had then made all | the people purple harlott had then made all |
nations druncke : drunken: | nations drunken: druncke : |
Eud Eud: What doe you then blame and fynde faulte w i th wth so | Eud: Eud What doe you then blame and fynde faulte wth w i th so |
good an acte in that good Poppe as the rodu redu | good an acte in that good Poppe as the redu rodu |
cinge of such a greate people to Chr ist endome , endome, | cinge of such a greate people to Chr ist endome, endome , |
brin b rin ginge so manie soules to Christ , Christ, yf that were | b rin brin ginge so manie soules to Christ, Christ , yf that were |
yll what is good :: good: | yll what is good: good :: |
Iren Iren: I doe not blame the Crei s tinge Cr ist eininge of them , them, for to | Iren: Iren I doe not blame the Cr ist eininge Crei s tinge of them, them , for to |
bee sealed w i th wth the m ar ke of the Lame , Lambe, by what | bee sealed wth w i th the m ar ke of the Lambe, Lame , by what |
hand so ever yt bee done rightlie , rightlie, I hould yt | hand so ever yt bee done rightlie, rightlie , I hould yt |
good agood and gracious m ar ke , ke, for the gen er all profession | agood good and gracious m ar ke, ke , for the gen er all profession |
w hi ch wch then take vpon them of the Crosse and faith | wch w hi ch then take vpon them of the Crosse and faith |
in Christ , Christ, I nothinge . b doubte but through the | in Christ, Christ , I nothinge b . doubte but through the |
powerfull grace of that mightie saviour , saviour, will | powerfull grace of that mightie saviour, saviour , will |
worke salvacon in manye of them : them: But never | worke salvacon in manye of them: them : But never |
the lesse , s..nke the lesse, sincke synce they drincke not of the | the lesse, sincke the lesse , s..nke synce they drincke not of the |
pure springe of lyfe , lyfe, but onelie tasted of such | pure springe of lyfe, lyfe , but onelie tasted of such |
troubled waters as were brought vnto them | troubled waters as were brought vnto them |
the drugges | the drugges |
Folio 53v | Folio 53v |
the drugges thereof have brought great Contagion | the drugges thereof have brought great Contagion |
in theire soules , soules, the w hi ch wch dalie encreasinge and | in theire soules, soules , the wch w hi ch dalie encreasinge and |
beinge still more augmented w i th wth theire owne ~ - | beinge still more augmented wth w i th theire owne - ~ |
lewde lyves and fylthie conversacon , conversacon, hath now | lewde lyves and fylthie conversacon, conversacon , hath now |
breade in them this gen er all desease , desease, that cannot | breade in them this gen er all desease, desease , that cannot |
but onelie w wth verie stronge purgacons purgac i th ons bee clens ed clensed | but onelie wth w i ons th verie stronge purgac purgacons bee clensed clens ed |
and carryed awaye ~~ awaye-- | and carryed awaye-- awaye ~~ |
Eudox: Then for this defect ye fynde noe faulte w i th wth | Eudox: Then for this defect ye fynde noe faulte wth w i th |
the people them selues nor w i th the preists th.. wth the preistes that | the people them selues nor wth the preistes that w i th the preists th.. |
w hi ch wch take the charge of soules , soules, but w i th wth the first | wch w hi ch take the charge of soules, soules , but wth w i th the first |
ordynance and institution thereof thereof: | ordynance and institution thereof: thereof |
Iren: Not so Eudox : ffor For the syne or ignorance of the | Iren: Not so Eudox : For ffor the syne or ignorance of the |
preists preist shall not excuse the people , people, nor the | preist preists shall not excuse the people, people , nor the |
aucthoritie of theire greate pastors Peters success or successor | aucthoritie of theire greate pastors Peters successor success or |
shall not excuse the Preist Preist, but they all shall | shall not excuse the Preist, Preist but they all shall |
dye in theire synns , synns, for they haue all erred and | dye in theire synns, synns , for they haue all erred and |
gone out of the waye togeather :: togeather:: | gone out of the waye togeather:: togeather :: |
Eudox: But yf this ignorance of the people bee | Eudox: But yf this ignorance of the people bee |
such a burthen vnto the people Poepe , Poope, is yt | such a burthen vnto the people Poope, Poepe , is yt |
not a like blott to them that now healed held that | not a like blott to them that now healed held that |
place , place, in that they w hi ch wch now are in the lighte | place, place , in that they wch w hi ch now are in the lighte |
them selues : selues: suffer a people vnder theire charg e charge | them selues: selues : suffer a people vnder theire charge charg e |
to wallowe in such deadlie darknes , darkenes, for I do e doe | to wallowe in such deadlie darkenes, darknes , for I doe do e |
not see that the faulte is changed but the | not see that the faulte is changed but the |
faultes m aste r : | faultes m aste r : |
Iren: that w hi ch That wch yow blame Eudox: Eudox :: Is not I suppose an ye any | Iren: That wch that w hi ch yow blame Eudox :: Eudox: Is not I suppose any an ye |
faulte of will in these theise godlie fathers w hi ch wch haue | faulte of will in theise these godlie fathers wch w hi ch haue |
charge thereof , thereof, nor anye defecte of zeale for | charge thereof, thereof , nor anye defecte of zeale for |
reformacon hereof , hereof, but the inconvenience thinconvenience of the | reformacon hereof, hereof , but thinconvenience the inconvenience of the |
tyme and troublous occasions wherew i th wherewth that | tyme and troublous occasions wherewth wherew i th that |
wretched realme hath bene contynewallie ~ - | wretched realme hath bene contynewallie - ~ |
Turmoyld : ffor Turmoyld: For instruction in relidgion nedeth quiet | Turmoyld: For Turmoyld : ffor instruction in relidgion nedeth quiet |
tymes , tymes, and erre wee seeke to settle a sound decypl ine asound decypline | tymes, tymes , and erre wee seeke to settle asound decypline a sound decypl ine |
in the | in the |
Folio 54r 54r; written "53" | 54r; written "53" Folio 54r |
53 in the Clargie, wee must purchase peace vnto the | in the Clargie, wee must purchase peace vnto the 53 |
in the Clargie , wee must purchase peace vnto the layetie, For it is yll tyme to preach amongst | layetie, For it is yll tyme to preach amongst in the Clargie , wee must purchase peace vnto the |
Layetie , ffor it is yll tyme to preach amongst swordes, and most hard or rather ympossible | swordes, and most hard or rather ympossible Layetie , ffor it is yll tyme to preach amongst |
swordes , and most hard or rather ympossible it is to settle agood opynion in the myndes of | it is to settle agood opynion in the myndes of swordes , and most hard or rather ympossible |
it is to settle a good opynion in the myndes men, for matters of relidgion doubfull, wch | men, for matters it is to settle a good opynion in the myndes of relidgion doubfull, wch |
men , haue a doublesse euill opinion of relidgion doubfull , w hi ch our selues: for matters | haue a doublesse euill opinion men , for matters of our selues: relidgion doubfull , w hi ch |
haue a doublesse euill opinion of our selues : for | haue a doublesse euill opinion of our selues : for |
ere a newe bee brought in the ould must bee | ere a newe bee brought in the ould must bee |
remoued : remoued: | remoued: remoued : |
Eudox: Then belike yt is meete that some fitter | Eudox: Then belike yt is meete that some fitter |
tyme bee attended , attended, that God send peace and quiet | tyme bee attended, attended , that God send peace and quiet |
nes , nes, there in Civill matters , be fore matters, before yt bee attem | nes, nes , there in Civill matters, before matters , be fore yt bee attem |
pted in ecclesiasticall , ecclesiasticall, I would rather haue | pted in ecclesiasticall, ecclesiasticall , I would rather haue |
thought , thought, that as yt is said , said, Correction should | thought, thought , that as yt is said, said , Correction should |
begin begine at the howse of god , god, and that the Care | begine begin at the howse of god, god , and that the Care |
of the soule should haue bene p re ferred before | of the soule should haue bene p re ferred before |
the Care of the bodye : bodye: | the Care of the bodye: bodye : |
Iren: Most trewe Eudox: The caere care of the soule | Iren: Most trewe Eudox: The care caere of the soule |
and soule matters are to bee p re ferred before the | and soule matters are to bee p re ferred before the |
care of the bodye . bodye, inconsideracon of the worthynes | care of the bodye, bodye . inconsideracon of the worthynes |
thereof , thereof, but not in the tyme of reformacon :: reformacon:: | thereof, thereof , but not in the tyme of reformacon:: reformacon :: |
ffor For if yow should knowe a wicked p er son dangero | For ffor if yow should knowe a wicked p er son dangero |
uslie sicke , sicke, havinge now both soule and bodie | uslie sicke, sicke , havinge now both soule and bodie |
greatlie deseased , yet both recoverable recoverable, would | greatlie deseased , yet both recoverable, recoverable would |
yee not thincke yt ill aduism aduisem en t to bringe the | yee not thincke yt ill aduisem aduism en t to bringe the |
preacher before the Phisicion , Phisicion, for of if his bodye | preacher before the Phisicion, Phisicion , for if of his bodye |
weare neglected , neglected, yt is like that his languishing languish i ng | weare neglected, neglected , yt is like that his languish i ng languishing |
soule beinge disquieted by his dyseasefull dysease full bodie | soule beinge disquieted by his dysease full dyseasefull bodie |
would vtterlie refuse refuise and loath all spirituall | would vtterlie refuise refuse and loath all spirituall |
comforte : comforte: But yf his bodie weare first - | comforte: comforte : But yf his bodie weare first - |
recured and brought to good frame , frame, should there | recured and brought to good frame, frame , should there |
not then be found best tyme to recure his | not then be found best tyme to recure his |
soule also , also, So yt is in the state of a Realme, | soule also, also , So yt is in the state of a Realme, |
Therefore | Therefore |
Folio 54v | Folio 54v |
Therefore as I said yt is expedient expedyent first to settle | Therefore as I said yt is expedyent expedient first to settle |
such a course of gou er ern m en t there , there, as thereby thereby, both Civill | such a course of gou ern er m en t there, there , as thereby, thereby both Civill |
disorders and ecclesiasticall abuses maye bee ~ - | disorders and ecclesiasticall abuses maye bee - ~ |
reformed and amended , amended, whereto nedeth not any | reformed and amended, amended , whereto nedeth not any |
such greate distance of tymes as yee suppose , suppose, I | such greate distance of tymes as yee suppose, suppose , I |
requier , requier, but one Iointe resolucon , resoluc i on, for both that each | requier, requier , but one Iointe resoluc i on, resolucon , for both that each |
might seconde and confirme thother thother: : | might seconde and confirme thother: thother : |
Eudox: That wee shall see when wee come there | Eudox: That wee shall see when wee come there |
to , to, In the meane tyme I consider thus much s.. s OB as yow | to, to , In the meane tyme I consider thus much s OB s.. as yow |
haue deliu er ed to wowchinge towchinge the gen er all faulte w hi ch wch yee | haue deliu er ed towchinge to wowchinge the gen er all faulte wch w hi ch yee |
suppose in relidgion ^ to meete weete , that it is Popishe Popishe, But doe | suppose in relidgion ^ to weete meete that it is Popishe, Popishe , But doe |
yow finde noe p ar ticuler abuses , abuses, there in nor in the | yow finde noe p ar ticuler abuses, abuses , there in nor in the |
ministers thereof : minsters thereof: | minsters thereof: ministers thereof : |
Iren: Yes verelie , verelie, for what ever disorders yee see | Iren: Yes verelie, verelie , for what ever disorders yee see |
in the Church Church, of England yee maye fynde there there, | in the Church, Church of England yee maye fynde there, there |
and manye manie more , more, namelie grosse Symonie | and manye manie more, more , namelie grosse Symonie |
gredie covetuousnes , covetuousnes, fleshlie int incontynence , care les in incontynence, careles | gredie covetuousnes, covetuousnes , fleshlie in incontynence, careles int incontynence , care les |
slouthe , slouthe, and gen er allie all disordred lyf in the Como n Com m on | slouthe, slouthe , and gen er allie all disordred lyf in the Com m on Como n |
Clargie men , men, and beside sall besides all these they haue the ire theire | Clargie men, men , and besides all beside sall these they haue theire the ire |
owne p ar ticuler enormities , enormities, for all the Irishe preis tes preistes | owne p ar ticuler enormities, enormities , for all the Irishe preistes preis tes |
w hi ch wch now enioye the Church church, lyvinges theire , theire, are in | wch w hi ch now enioye the church, Church lyvinges theire, theire , are in |
manner more laymen , mere laymen, goe lyke laymen , laymen, liue | manner mere laymen, more laymen , goe lyke laymen, laymen , liue |
like laymen , laymen, followe all kynde of husbandrye and | like laymen, laymen , followe all kynde of husbandrye and |
other worldlie affaires , affaires, as thother Irishe ~ - | other worldlie affaires, affaires , as thother Irishe - ~ |
laymen doe , doe, they neyther read scriptures nor preach | laymen doe, doe , they neyther read scriptures nor preach |
to the people , people, nor minister the sacram en t of Comunion , Com m union, | to the people, people , nor minister the sacram en t of Com m union, Comunion , |
but the Baptisme they doe , doe, for they Christyan | but the Baptisme they doe, doe , for they Christyan |
yett after the Popishe fashion , fashion, and w i th the wth the | yett after the Popishe fashion, fashion , and wth the w i th the |
Popishe lattine ministracon onelie they take the | Popishe lattine ministracon onelie they take the |
tythes and offringes , offringes, and gather what fruites | tythes and offringes, offringes , and gather what fruites |
elce they maye of theire lyvinges , lyvinges, the w hi ch they wch they | elce they maye of theire lyvinges, lyvinges , the wch they w hi ch they |
converte as badlie , badlie, And some of them they sy saye | converte as badlie, badlie , And some of them they sy saye |
paye as | paye as |
Folio 55r 55r; written "54" | 55r; written "54" Folio 55r |
54 paye as due tribute and shares of theire lyvinges | paye as due tribute and shares of theire lyvinges 54 |
paye as doe tribute and shares to theire lyvinges Bishopps, I speake of those wch are Irish | to paye as doe tribute and shares of those wch are Irish theire Bishopps, I speake lyvinges |
to theire Bishopps , I speake of those w hi ch are Irish as they receaue them duelie: | as they receaue them duelie: to theire Bishopps , I speake of those w hi ch are Irish |
as they receaue them duelie . Eudox : But is yt suffred amongst them, It is | Eudox : But is yt suffred amongst them, It is as they receaue them duelie . |
Eudox; But is yt suffred amongst them , It is | Eudox; But is yt suffred amongst them , It is |
wonder but that the Gou er nors redresse such shame | wonder but that the Gou er nors redresse such shame |
full abuses : . abuses:. | full abuses:. abuses : . |
Iren: how How can they sett since since, they knowe them not , not, | Iren: How how can they sett since, since they knowe them not, not , |
for the Irishe Bishopps haue theire Cleargie | for the Irishe Bishopps haue theire Cleargie |
in such awe and subiection vnder them , them, that | in such awe and subiection vnder them, them , that |
they dare not complaine of them , them, so as they | they dare not complaine of them, them , so as they |
maye doe to them what they please , please, for they | maye doe to them what they please, please , for they |
knowinge , knowinge, theire owne vnworthines and incapa | knowinge, knowinge , theire owne vnworthines and incapa |
cytie , cytie, and that they aree still therefore removea | cytie, cytie , and that they aree still therefore removea |
ble at theire Bishopps wold wild will yeild what | ble at theire Bishopps wild wold will yeild what |
pleaseth him , him, and he taketh what he listeth , listeth, | pleaseth him, him , and he taketh what he listeth, listeth , |
Yea yea and some of them whose dyoces are in | yea Yea and some of them whose dyoces are in |
remote p ar tes some what tes, somewhat out of the worldes eye | remote p ar tes, somewhat tes some what out of the worldes eye |
doe not at all bestowe the benyfices w hi ch wch are | doe not at all bestowe the benyfices wch w hi ch are |
in theire owne devocyon , vpon anye anye, but kepe | in theire owne devocyon vpon anye, anye , but kepe |
them in theire owne handes and sett theire owne ~ - | them in theire owne handes and sett theire owne - ~ |
servantes and horseboyes to take vpp the the tythes | servantes and horseboyes to take vpp the the tythes |
and fruites of them , w i th them, wth the w hi ch wch some of them pur | and fruites of them, wth them , w i th the wch w hi ch some of them pur |
chase greate landes and build faire Castles vpon | chase greate landes and build faire Castles vpon |
them . the same same, of w hi ch wch abuse yf anye bee question | them . the same, same of wch w hi ch abuse yf anye bee question |
bee moved , moved, they haue a verie seemelie seem e lie coullor | bee moved, moved , they haue a verie seem e lie seemelie coullor |
of excuse , excuse, that they haue noe worthie mini | of excuse, excuse , that they haue noe worthie mini |
sters to bestowe them vppon , vppon, but kepe them so | sters to bestowe them vppon, vppon , but kepe them so |
vnbestowed , vnbestowed, for anie such suffycient p er son as anie | vnbestowed, vnbestowed , for anie such suffycient p er son as anie |
shall bringe vnto them : them: | shall bringe vnto them: them : |
Eudox: But is theire noe lawe nor ordynance to | Eudox: But is theire noe lawe nor ordynance to |
meete w i th wth this mischeif ~ mischeif, - nor hath yt never | meete wth w i th this mischeif, - mischeif ~ nor hath yt never |
before bene Loked into loked into: | before bene loked into: Loked into |
Iren: Iren : Yes yt | Iren : Iren: Yes yt |
Folio 55r 55v | Folio 55v 55r |
Iren: Yes yt seemes it hath , hath, for theire is a statue statute | Iren: Yes yt seemes it hath, hath , for theire is a statute statue |
theire enacted in Ireland , w hi ch Ireland, wch seemes to haue bene | theire enacted in Ireland, wch Ireland , w hi ch seemes to haue bene |
grounded vpon a good meanine , meaninge, that what soever whatsoever | grounded vpon a good meaninge, meanine , that whatsoever what soever |
Englisheman Englishman being of good conversacon and suffycience suffyciencie | Englishman Englisheman being of good conversacon and suffyciencie suffycience |
shalbe brought vnto anye of those Bishopps and | shalbe brought vnto anye of those Bishopps and |
nominated vnto any lyvinge w hi ch in wthin theire dyoces , Dyoces, that | nominated vnto any lyvinge wthin w hi ch in theire Dyoces, dyoces , that |
is p re sentlie voyde , voyde, that he shall w wthout contradict i th out contradi ction on | is p re sentlie voyde, voyde , that he shall wthout contradict w i on th out contradi ction |
bee admitted ad mitted therevnto before any Irishe : Irishe: | bee ad mitted admitted therevnto before any Irishe: Irishe : |
Eudox: This is surelie a verie averie good lawe and well | Eudox: This is surelie averie a verie good lawe and well |
p ro vided for this evill whereof yee speake , speake, and why whie | p ro vided for this evill whereof yee speake, speake , and whie why |
is not the same obserued : obserued: | is not the same obserued: obserued : |
Iren Iren: I thincke yt is well obserued and that none of the | Iren: Iren I thincke yt is well obserued and that none of the |
Bishopps transgresse the same , same, but yet yt worketh | Bishopps transgresse the same, same , but yet yt worketh |
noe reformacon hereof ; hereof, for in anie respectes , fir st manie respectes, first | noe reformacon hereof, hereof ; for manie respectes, first in anie respectes , fir st |
theire are noe such suffycient Englishe minister s ministers | theire are noe such suffycient Englishe ministers minister s |
sente over , over, as might be p re sented to any Bisho pps Bishopp | sente over, over , as might be p re sented to any Bishopp Bisho pps |
for any lyvinge , anye lyvinge, but the most p ar te of such Eng lish English | for anye lyvinge, any lyvinge , but the most p ar te of such English Eng lish |
as come over thither of them selues , selues, are ythe r eyther | as come over thither of them selues, selues , are eyther ythe r |
vnlearned or men of some badd note , note, for w hi ch they | vnlearned or men of some badd note, note , for w hi ch they |
haue forsaken England , for saken England, so as the Bishopp to | haue for saken England, forsaken England , so as the Bishopp to |
whom they shalbe p re sented , sented, maye iustlie reiect reiecte | whom they shalbe p re sented, sented , maye iustlie reiecte reiect |
them as incapable and insuffycient : insuffycient: Secondlie the | them as incapable and insuffycient: insuffycient : Secondlie the |
Bushoppe him self is p er happs an Irishe man , man, | Bushoppe him self is p er happs an Irishe man, man , |
who beinge made iudge ^ of by that lawe of the suffyciencye of suffycientcye of | who beinge made iudge by ^ of that lawe of the suffycientcye of suffyciencye of |
the minister minister, maye at his owne will dislike | the minister, minister maye at his owne will dislike |
of the Englishe man as vnworthie in his ~ - | of the Englishe man as vnworthie in his - ~ |
opynion opynion, and admitte ad mitte of anye other Irishe whom | opynion, opynion and ad mitte admitte of anye other Irishe whom |
he shall thincke more for his turne , turne, And yf he | he shall thincke more for his turne, turne , And yf he |
shall at the instance of any English man of | shall at the instance of any English man of |
Countenance theire , theire, whome he will not disp lease displease | Countenance theire, theire , whome he will not displease disp lease |
accept of | accept of |
Folio 56r 56r; written "55" | 56r; written "55" Folio 56r |
55 | 55 |
accepte of any such English minister as shalbe | accepte of any such English minister as shalbe |
tendred vnto him , him, yet he will vnderhand carie | tendred vnto him, him , yet he will vnderhand carie |
such a harde hand over him , him, or by his offycrs offycers | such a harde hand over him, him , or by his offycers offycrs |
wringe him so sore that hee will soone make him | wringe him so sore that hee will soone make him |
wearye of his poore lyvinge : lyvinge: Lastelie the | wearye of his poore lyvinge: lyvinge : Lastelie the |
benyfices them selues are so meane and of so | benyfices them selues are so meane and of so |
small profitte in those Irishe Countries , Countries, through | small profitte in those Irishe Countries, Countries , through |
the yll husbandrie of the Irishe people w hi ch wch | the yll husbandrie of the Irishe people wch w hi ch |
inhabite them , them, that they will not yeild any | inhabite them, them , that they will not yeild any |
competente maintenance , maintenance, for any honest minister | competente maintenance, maintenance , for any honest minister |
to liue vpon , vpon, scarselie to buye him a gowne : agowne: And | to liue vpon, vpon , scarselie to buye him agowne: a gowne : And |
were all this redressed as happelie yt might | were all this redressed as happelie yt might |
bee , bee, yett what good shall anye Englishe | bee, bee , yett what good shall anye Englishe |
minister doe amongst them , them, by preachinge | minister doe amongst them, them , by preachinge |
or teaching , w hi ch teaching, wch eyther cannot vnderstand | or teaching, wch teaching , w hi ch eyther cannot vnderstand |
him or will not heare him , him, or what comforte | him or will not heare him, him , or what comforte |
of lyf lyf, shall he haue , haue, when his p ar ishoners | of lyf, lyf shall he haue, haue , when his p ar ishoners |
are so insocyable , so intractable , insocyable, so intractable, so yll affected | are so insocyable, so intractable, insocyable , so intractable , so yll affected |
to him as they vsuallie bee to all the English | to him as they vsuallie bee to all the English |
or fynallie how dare almost any honest | or fynallie how dare almost any honest |
ministers that are peacefull Cyvell men , men, | ministers that are peacefull Cyvell men, men , |
comitte his saiftie into the handes of such ~~ -- | comitte his saiftie into the handes of such -- ~~ |
neighbors neighbors, as the boldest Captens dare scarselie | neighbors, neighbors as the boldest Captens dare scarselie |
dwell by : : by:: | dwell by:: by : : |
Eudox: Lyttle good then I see is by that statue statute | Eudox: Lyttle good then I see is by that statute statue |
wrought , wrought, however well intended , intended, but the | wrought, wrought , however well intended, intended , but the |
reformacon thereof must growe higher and | reformacon thereof must growe higher and |
bee brought from a stranger ordynance then | bee brought from a stranger ordynance then |
the Comandm Comaundm en t or pennaltie of a lawe, w hi ch wch | the Comaundm Comandm en t or pennaltie of a lawe, wch w hi ch |
any dare enforme or Compaine of , complaine of, when | any dare enforme or complaine of, Compaine of , when |
yt is broken , broken, but haue yow any more of these abuses in ye y e Clargie | yt is broken, broken , but haue yow any more of these abuses in y e ye Clargie |
yt Yt is | Yt yt is |
Iren I | Iren I |
Folio 56v | Folio 56v |
Iren: I could coulde p er happs recken more , more, but I p er ceave my | Iren: I coulde could p er happs recken more, more , but I p er ceave my |
speech speach to growe to longe , longe, and these maye suffize to | speach speech to growe to longe, longe , and these maye suffize to |
iudge of the gen er all disorders w hi ch wch raigne amongst | iudge of the gen er all disorders wch w hi ch raigne amongst |
them , them, as for the p ar ticulers they are too manye to bee | them, them , as for the p ar ticulers they are too manye to bee |
reckoned , reckoned, for the clargie theire , theire, excepte some fewe | reckoned, reckoned , for the clargie theire, theire , excepte some fewe |
graue fathers w hi ch wch are in high place about the | graue fathers wch w hi ch are in high place about the |
state and some fewe others w hi ch wch are latelie plan ted planted | state and some fewe others wch w hi ch are latelie planted plan ted |
in theire newe colledge , colledge, are gen er allie badd | in theire newe colledge, colledge , are gen er allie badd |
lycentious and most disordred : : disordred: : | lycentious and most disordred: : disordred : : |
Eudox: Yee haue yee have then as I suppose gone through | Eudox: yee have Yee haue then as I suppose gone through |
these three first p ar tes w hi ch tes, wch ye purposed vnto yo u r self , yor self, | these three first p ar tes, wch tes w hi ch ye purposed vnto yor self, yo u r self , |
to wyte w hi ch e yte the inconveniences wch ye obserued in | to wyte the inconveniences wch w e yte hi ch ye obserued in |
the lawes , in the Customes , the lawes, in the Customes, and in the relidgion | the lawes, in the Customes, the lawes , in the Customes , and in the relidgion |
of that land , land, the w hi ch wch mee semes yee haue | of that land, land , the wch w hi ch mee semes yee haue |
so throughlie touched , touched, as that nothinge mo re more | so throughlie touched, touched , as that nothinge more mo re |
remayneth now to bee spoken thereof | remayneth now to bee spoken thereof |
Iren Not so throughlie as yee suppose , suppose, that nothinge mor e more | Iren Not so throughlie as yee suppose, suppose , that nothinge more mor e |
can remaine , remaine, but so gen er allie as I purpose that is to | can remaine, remaine , but so gen er allie as I purpose that is to |
laye open the gen er all evills of that realme w hi ch wch | laye open the gen er all evills of that realme wch w hi ch |
doe hinder theire good reformacon thereof , ffor thereof, For | doe hinder theire good reformacon thereof, For thereof , ffor |
to accounte the p ar ticuler faultes of pro ryvate pryvate men | to accounte the p ar ticuler faultes of pryvate pro ryvate men |
should bee a worke aworke to infynite , infynite, yet some there bee | should bee aworke a worke to infynite, infynite , yet some there bee |
of that nature , nature, that though they bee in pryv ate pryvate | of that nature, nature , that though they bee in pryvate pryv ate |
men , men, yett theire evill reacheth to a gen agen er all hurte hurte, | men, men , yett theire evill reacheth to agen a gen er all hurte, hurte |
as thextortion of sherifes , sherifes, subsherifes and theire | as thextortion of sherifes, sherifes , subsherifes and theire |
baylifes , baylifes, the Corruption of victualls Cessors and | baylifes, baylifes , the Corruption of victualls Cessors and |
purveyors , purveyors, the disorders of Senescalls Capta ins Seneschalls Captaines | purveyors, purveyors , the disorders of Seneschalls Captaines Senescalls Capta ins |
and theire soldyers and manye such lyke , lyke, All | and theire soldyers and manye such lyke, lyke , All |
w hi ch wch I will onelie name here , here, that theire ref or refor | wch w hi ch I will onelie name here, here , that theire refor ref or |
macion | macion |
Folio 57r 57r; written "56" | 57r; written "56" Folio 57r |
56 mac i on maye be mynded in place where yt | mac i on maye be mynded in place where yt 56 |
macon maye be mynded in place where yt most concerneth, but theire is one verie fowle | most concerneth, but theire is one verie fowle macon maye be mynded in place where yt |
most concerneth , but theire is one verie fowle abuse wch by the waye I maye not omitte, and | abuse wch by the waye I maye not omitte, and most concerneth , but theire is one verie fowle |
abuse w hi ch by the waye I maye that is in OB Captaines, who not omitte , and wthstandinge that | that is in OB Captaines, who abuse w hi ch by the waye I maye not wthstandinge that omitte , and |
that is in Captaines , who not w i th standinge that | that is in Captaines , who not w i th standinge that |
they are speciallie imployed to make peace | they are speciallie imployed to make peace |
through stronge execution of warr , warr, yet they doe | through stronge execution of warr, warr , yet they doe |
so dandle theire doinges and dallye in theire seruice | so dandle theire doinges and dallye in theire seruice |
to them comytted , comytted, as yf they would not haue the ~~ -- | to them comytted, comytted , as yf they would not haue the -- ~~ |
Enymie subdued or vtterlie beaten downe , downe, for feare | Enymie subdued or vtterlie beaten downe, downe , for feare |
least after wardes they should need ymploym ent en t | least after wardes they should need ymploym en t ent |
and so be discharged of paye , paye, for w hi ch wch cause some | and so be discharged of paye, paye , for wch w hi ch cause some |
of them that are layde in Garrison doth | of them that are layde in Garrison doth |
so handle the matter , matter, that they will doe noe | so handle the matter, matter , that they will doe noe |
greate hurte to the enymies enymies: whose heades | greate hurte to the enymies: enymies whose heades |
eftesones they sende into the Gou er nor for Comen | eftesones they sende into the Gou er nor for Comen |
dacons of theire greate endeauors & endeauors, tell how | dacons of theire greate endeauors, endeauors & tell how |
waightie a service they haue p er formed by ~ ~ -- | waightie a service they haue p er formed by -- ~ ~ |
cutting of such and such dangerous Rebells :: Rebells:: | cutting of such and such dangerous Rebells:: Rebells :: |
Eudox: Trewlie this is a prettie mockerie and | Eudox: Trewlie this is a prettie mockerie and |
not to be p er mitted by the gou er nors : nors: | not to be p er mitted by the gou er nors: nors : |
Iren: Yea but how can te the Gou er nors knowe readelie | Iren: Yea but how can the te Gou er nors knowe readelie |
what p er sons those weare and what the purpose | what p er sons those weare and what the purpose |
of theire kyllinge was , was, yea and what will | of theire kyllinge was, was , yea and what will |
yee saye of the Captaines , Captaines, doe iustefye this | yee saye of the Captaines, Captaines , doe iustefye this |
theire Cause , Course, by ensample of some of there | theire Course, Cause , by ensample of some of there |
governors , governors, who vnder , Benedicte vnder, Benedicite , I doe | governors, governors , who vnder, Benedicite , vnder , Benedicte I doe |
tell yt to yow , yow, doe practize the light | tell yt to yow, yow , doe practize the light |
sleightes in theire goverm en tes | sleightes in theire goverm en tes |
Eudox: | Eudox: |
Folio 57v | Folio 57v |
Eudox: Its Is it possible , take heed head what yow say Irenius Irenius: | Eudox: Is Its it possible , take head heed what yow say Irenius: Irenius |
Iren: To yow yow onelye Eudox: I doe tell yt and that | Iren: To yow yow onelye Eudox: I doe tell yt and that |
even w i th wth great hartes greif and inward trouble | even wth w i th great hartes greif and inward trouble |
of mynde , mynde, to see her ma je s t ie jes tie so much abused abused, by some | of mynde, mynde , to see her ma jes tie je s t ie so much abused, abused by some |
whom they putt in speciall trust of theire affairs affaires: | whom they putt in speciall trust of theire affaires: affairs |
Of w hi ch wch some beinge m ar shall men will not doe all | Of wch w hi ch some beinge m ar shall men will not doe all |
wayes what they maye , maye, for quietinge of thinges , thinges, but | wayes what they maye, maye , for quietinge of thinges, thinges , but |
will rather wincke at some faultes , faultes, and suffer | will rather wincke at some faultes, faultes , and suffer |
them vnpunished , vnpunished, least they havinge putt all thinges | them vnpunished, vnpunished , least they havinge putt all thinges |
in that assurance of peace peace, that they might bee bee, | in that assurance of peace, peace that they might bee, bee |
should seme afterwardes not to bee needed nor | should seme afterwardes not to bee needed nor |
contynewed in theire gou er ern m en tes w hi ch wth so great a | contynewed in theire gou ern er m en tes wth w hi ch so great a |
charge to her ma jes tie , And threfore therefore they doe | charge to her ma jes tie , And therefore threfore they doe |
Cunningelie carrie there course of governm goverm en t and | Cunningelie carrie there course of goverm governm en t and |
from one hande to another doe doe, bandye the service seruice | from one hande to another doe, doe bandye the seruice service |
lyke a Tennis ball w hi ch ball, wch they will never | lyke a Tennis ball, wch ball w hi ch they will never |
strike stricke quite awaye for feare least afterwardes | stricke strike quite awaye for feare least afterwardes |
they should wante sporte : sporte: | they should wante sporte: sporte : |
Eudox: Doe yow speake of vnder ma gis jes trates Iren: or of | Eudox: Doe yow speake of vnder ma jes gis trates Iren: or of |
principall governors : governors: | principall governors: governors : |
Iren: I doe speake of noe p ar ticulers but the truth | Iren: I doe speake of noe p ar ticulers but the truth |
maye bee founde out by tryall and reasonable | maye bee founde out by tryall and reasonable |
.insight OB in sight into some of theire doinges , doinges, and yf I | OB in sight .insight into some of theire doinges, doinges , and yf I |
should saye theire is some blame hereof in some | should saye theire is some blame hereof in some |
of the principall governors , governors, I thincke I might | of the principall governors, governors , I thincke I might |
also shewe some reasonable proof of my speech speach | also shewe some reasonable proof of my speach speech |
ffor For by that w hi ch wch I and manie haue obserued | For ffor by that wch w hi ch I and manie haue obserued |
the lyke might bee gathered : gathered: As for ensample | the lyke might bee gathered: gathered : As for ensample |
some of them seinge seinge, thende of theire gou er ern m en t | some of them seinge, seinge thende of theire gou ern er m en t |
to drawe nighe , nighe, and some mischeif or trouble troublous | to drawe nighe, nighe , and some mischeif or troublous trouble |
practize growinge at out vpp w hi ch wch afterwarde may | practize growinge out at vpp wch w hi ch afterwarde may |
worke trouble to the next succedinge Gou er nor | worke trouble to the next succedinge Gou er nor |
will not attempte the redresse or Cuttinge of | will not attempte the redresse or Cuttinge of |
thereof | thereof |
Folio 58r 58r; written "57" | 58r; written "57" Folio 58r |
57 thereof, eyther for feare they should leaue the | thereof, eyther for feare they should leaue the 57 |
thereof Realme vnquiet at thende of theire goverm en t , eyther for feare they should leaue the or | Realme vnquiet at thende of theire goverm en t thereof , or eyther for feare they should leaue the |
Realme vnquiet at thende of theire goverm en t , or that the next wch cometh should receaue the same | that the next wch cometh should receaue the same Realme vnquiet at thende of theire goverm en t , or |
that the next w hi ch cometh should receaue the same to quiet and so happelie wine more prayse thereof | to quiet and so happelie wine more prayse thereof that the next w hi ch cometh should receaue the same |
to quiet and so ahppelie wine more prayse thereof then they before, And therefore they will not as | then they before, And therefore they will not as to quiet and so ahppelie wine more prayse thereof |
then they before , And therefore they will not as I saye, seeke at all to represse that evill but | I saye, seeke at all to represse that evill but then they before , And therefore they will not as |
I saye , seeke at all to represse that evill but will eyther by grantinge protection for atyme | will eyther by grantinge protection for atyme I saye , seeke at all to represse that evill but |
will eyther by grantinge protection for a tyme or houldinge some ymp ar lance wth the Rebell, | or houldinge some ymp ar lance wth the Rebell, will eyther by grantinge protection for a tyme |
or houldinge some ymp or tance w i th the Rebell , | or houldinge some ymp or tance w i th the Rebell , |
or by treatie of Comissioners or other lyke | or by treatie of Comissioners or other lyke |
deuises , deuises, onelie smother and kepe downe the flame | deuises, deuises , onelie smother and kepe downe the flame |
of the mischeif , mischeif, so as yt maye not breake out in | of the mischeif, mischeif , so as yt maye not breake out in |
theire tyme of goverm en t , what comes afterwards afterwardes | theire tyme of goverm en t , what comes afterwardes afterwards |
they care not or rather wishe the worst , worst, this | they care not or rather wishe the worst, worst , this |
course hath bene noted in some gou er nors : nors: | course hath bene noted in some gou er nors: nors : |
Eudox: Surelie Irenius This yf yt weare true | Eudox: Surelie Irenius This yf yt weare true |
should be worthie of an heavye Iudgm en t , but yt | should be worthie of an heavye Iudgm en t , but yt |
is hardlie to be thought , thought, that any gou er nor could would | is hardlie to be thought, thought , that any gou er nor would could |
so much eyther envye the good of that realme | so much eyther envye the good of that realme |
w hi ch wch is putt into his hand , hand, or defraud her ma jes tie | wch w hi ch is putt into his hand, hand , or defraud her ma jes tie |
who trusteth him so much , much, or maligne his succe | who trusteth him so much, much , or maligne his succe |
ssor , w hi ch ssor, wch shall possesse his place , place, as to suffer | ssor, wch ssor , w hi ch shall possesse his place, place , as to suffer |
an evill to growe vpp w hi ch wch he might tymelie | an evill to growe vpp wch w hi ch he might tymelie |
haue kepte vnder vnder, or p er happs to nourrishe yt | haue kepte vnder, vnder or p er happs to nourrishe yt |
w hi ch wth coullored countenance or such synister meanes : meanes: | wth w hi ch coullored countenance or such synister meanes: meanes : |
Iren: I doe not certainelie avouch avouch, Eudox: but the | Iren: I doe not certainelie avouch, avouch Eudox: but the |
seaquell sequell of thinges doth in a mann er proue and sp.. spea | sequell seaquell of thinges doth in a mann er proue and spea sp.. |
plainelie speake so much , that the gou er nors vsuallie | plainelie speake so much , that the gou er nors vsuallie |
areenvyous are envyous one of anothers greater glorie , glorie, | are envyous areenvyous one of anothers greater glorie, glorie , |
w hi ch wch yf they would seeke to excell by better gou er ning | wch w hi ch yf they would seeke to excell by better gou er ning |
yt should bee a most laudable emulacon , emulacon, but | yt should bee a most laudable emulacon, emulacon , but |
they doe quite other wise , otherwise, for this (as ye may | they doe quite otherwise, other wise , for this (as ye may |
m ar ke : : ke:: | m ar ke:: ke : : |
Folio 58v 57v | Folio 57v 58v |
marke ) marke) is the Comon order of them , them, that who Cometh | marke) marke ) is the Comon order of them, them , that who Cometh |
next in place will not followe that course of gou er ern m en t | next in place will not followe that course of gou ern er m en t |
how ever good , w hi ch good, wch his p re dycessor held , held, or for | how ever good, wch good , w hi ch his p re dycessor held, held , or for |
destaine of him self , self, or doubte to haue his doing doinges | destaine of him self, self , or doubte to haue his doinges doing |
drowned drowned, in another mans prayse : w , wi But will | drowned, drowned , wi in another mans prayse : w But will |
strai stra i ght take a waye quite contrarie to the form er , | stra i strai ght take a waye quite contrarie to the form er , |
as if yf the form er thought by kepinge vnder the | as yf if the form er thought by kepinge vnder the |
Irishe to the reforme them , them, the next by discontyne | Irishe to the reforme them, them , the next by discontyne |
winge , winge, the Englishe will carrie currie favor w i th the wth the | winge, winge , the Englishe will currie carrie favor wth the w i th the |
Irishe , Irishe, and so make his gou er ern m en t plausible in vewe | Irishe, Irishe , and so make his gou ern er m en t plausible in vewe |
as havinge all the Irishe at his Comand : Com m aund: But | as havinge all the Irishe at his Com m aund: Comand : But |
hee that comes next after will p er happs follow followe | hee that comes next after will p er happs followe follow |
neither neyther thone nor thother , thother; but will sucke sweet e dandle, thone | neyther neither thone nor thother; thother , but will dandle, thone sucke sweet e |
and leaue bitternes to the poor e thother in such sorte, as he will sucke sweete | oute of them both , and thother in such sorte, as he will sucke sweete leaue bitternes to the poor e |
land , w hi ch yf he that comes after shall seeke oute of them both, and leaue bitternes to the poore | oute of them both, and leaue bitternes land , w hi ch yf he that comes after shall seeke to the poore |
redresse , land, wch yf he that comes after shall p er happs fynde such Crosses as seeke to | land, wch yf redresse , he that comes after shall seeke to p er happs fynde such Crosses as |
she hee redresse, he shall hardlie bee able to beare , or p er happs fynde such Crosses as | redresse, he she hee shall p er happs fynde such Crosses as hardlie bee able to beare , or |
doe anye good , that might marke disgrace she hee shall hardlie bee able to beare, or | she hee shall hardlie bee able to beare, or doe anye good , that might marke disgrace |
of his predycessors , ensamples hereof yee ma ye doe anye good, that might worke disgrace | doe anye good, that might worke disgrace of his predycessors , ensamples hereof yee ma ye |
of late tymes saffycient lie , his predycessors, ensamples hereof yee may | see in the gou er nors of his predycessors, ensamples hereof yee may late tymes saffycient lie , |
and see in others the gou er nors of form late tymes make manyfestlie suffycientlie, | see and in the gou others of late form er nors tymes suffycientlie, make manyfestlie |
when the gou and in others of that Realme was comitted form er m en t tymes, more manyfestlie | and in others when the gou er tymes, more manyfestlie m en t of form that Realme was comitted |
when the hows e gou ern m en t of that Realme was comitted | sometimes to the Geraldynes , as when the gou ern m en t of that Realme was comitted hows e |
sometimes to the Geraldynes, as when the, howse of Yorke held helde the Crowne of England , England, Some | of Yorke helde held the Crowne of England, England , Some |
tymes to the Butlers , Butlers, as when the howse | tymes to the Butlers, Butlers , as when the howse |
of Lancaster gott the same , same, and other whiles whiles, | of Lancaster gott the same, same , and other whiles, whiles |
when an Englishe gou er nor was appointed , appointed, hee | when an Englishe gou er nor was appointed, appointed , hee |
p er happs found enemyes of both , both, And this is the | p er happs found enemyes of both, both , And this is the |
wretchednes of that fatall kingdome , w hi ch kingdome, wch | wretchednes of that fatall kingdome, wch kingdome , w hi ch |
I thinkce , thincke, therefore an in ould tyme was not | I thincke, thinkce , therefore in an ould tyme was not |
called amisse Ranno or Sacra insula , insula, taking | called amisse Ranno or Sacra insula, insula , taking |
sacra for accursed : : accursed:: | sacra for accursed:: accursed : : |
Eudox: I am | Eudox: I am |
Folio 59r 59r; written "58" | 59r; written "58" Folio 59r |
58 Eudox: I am sorie to here so much as yee reporte, | Eudox: I am sorie to here so much as yee reporte, 58 |
Eudox: I am sorie to here so much as yee reporte , | Eudox: I am sorie to here so much as yee reporte , |
and now I begynne to conceaue some what more of | and now I begynne to conceaue some what more of |
the cause of her contynewall wretchednes , wretchednes, then | the cause of her contynewall wretchednes, wretchednes , then |
here tofore to fore I found , found, and wishe that this inconveni | here to fore tofore I found, found , and wishe that this inconveni |
ence were loked into , into, for suer mee seemes yt is | ence were loked into, into , for suer mee seemes yt is |
more waightie then all the form er and more hardlie | more waightie then all the form er and more hardlie |
to be redressed in the gou er nor then in the | to be redressed in the gou er nor then in the |
gou er ned , ned, as a maladie in a vytall p ar te is more | gou er ned, ned , as a maladie in a vytall p ar te is more |
incurable incurerable then in an externall : : externall:: | incurerable incurable then in an externall:: externall : : |
Iren: Yow saye verie true , true, but now that wee haue | Iren: Yow saye verie true, true , but now that wee haue |
thus ended all the abuses and inconveniences of | thus ended all the abuses and inconveniences of |
that gou er ern m en t , w hi ch wch was of the meanes to cure and ~ our first p ar te, It followeth | that gou ern er m en t , wch w hi ch was our first p ar te, It followeth of the meanes to cure and ~ |
redresse next, wch was of the same , w hi ch wee must labour meanes to cure and - | next, wch was of redresse the meanes same , w hi ch wee must labour to cure and - |
redure redresse the first begynninge thereof : same, wch wee must labour to | redresse redure to the same, wch wee must labour first begynninge thereof : |
Eudox: Right so Iren: for by that w hi ch I haue reduce to the first begynninge thereof: | reduce to the first begynninge thereof: Eudox: Right so Iren: for by that w hi ch I haue |
noted in all this yo u r discourse yee suppose Eudox: Right so Iren: for by that wch I haue | Eudox: Right so Iren: for by that wch I haue noted in all this yo u r discourse yee suppose |
noted in all this yor discourse yee suppose | noted in all this yor discourse yee suppose |
that the whole ordynance and institucon of that | that the whole ordynance and institucon of that |
Realmes gou er ern m en t , was both at first when yt was | Realmes gou ern er m en t , was both at first when yt was |
placed evill plotted plotted, and also sure since through other | placed evill plotted, plotted and also since sure through other |
ou er sighte , sighte, Run more out of square square, that disorder | ou er sighte, sighte , Run more out of square, square that disorder |
w hi ch wch yt is nowe come vnto , vnto, lyke as twoe indyrect | wch w hi ch yt is nowe come vnto, vnto , lyke as twoe indyrect |
tymes lynes the further they are drawen out , the out, the | lynes tymes the further they are drawen out, the out , the |
further they goe a sunder : sunder: | further they goe a sunder: sunder : |
Iren: I doe soe Eudox: so: Eudox : and as yee saye , saye, so thincke thincke, | Iren: I doe so: Eudox : soe Eudox: and as yee saye, saye , so thincke, thincke |
that the longer that gou er ern m en t , thus contynewethe contynewethe, | that the longer that gou ern er m en t , thus contynewethe, contynewethe |
in the worse case will that Realme bee , bee, for | in the worse case will that Realme bee, bee , for |
yt is all in vaine , vaine, that they now who striue and | yt is all in vaine, vaine , that they who now striue and |
endeavor by faire meanes and peacable plottes , plottes, to | endeavor by faire meanes and peacable plottes, plottes , to |
redresse the same , w i th out same, wthout first removing all | redresse the same, wthout same , w i th out first removing all |
those inconveniences , inconveniences, and nowe framinge as yt | those inconveniences, inconveniences , and nowe framinge as yt |
were in the forge all that , that, is worne out of | were in the forge all that, that , is worne out of |
fashion | fashion |
Folio 59v | Folio 59v |
fashion , fashion, for all other meanes wille wilbe but lost labour | fashion, fashion , for all other meanes wilbe wille but lost labour |
by patchinge vppone vpp one hole to make manye , manye, for the Irish e Irishe | by patchinge vpp one vppone hole to make manye, manye , for the Irishe Irish e |
doe strongelie , strongelie, hate and abhorr all reformacon , and reformac i on, and | doe strongelie, strongelie , hate and abhorr all reformac i on, and reformacon , and |
suiection subiection to the englishe , englishe, by reason that havinge | subiection suiection to the englishe, englishe , by reason that havinge |
bene once subdued by them , them, they were thrast thrust | bene once subdued by them, them , they were thrust thrast |
owt of all theire possessions , possessions, So as nowe theye | owt of all theire possessions, possessions , So as nowe theye |
feare that yf they were againe brought vnder | feare that yf they were againe brought vnder |
they should lykewise bee expelled owte of all | they should lykewise bee expelled owte of all |
w hi ch wch is the cause that they hate Englishe gou er ern m en t | wch w hi ch is the cause that they hate Englishe gou ern er m en t |
accordinge to the sayinge , sayinge, que Quem metuunt | accordinge to the sayinge, sayinge , que Quem metuunt |
Oderunt , there fore therefore the reformacon must now | Oderunt , therefore there fore the reformacon must now |
bee w i th a greater power : wth agreater power: | bee wth agreater power: w i th a greater power : |
Eudox: But mee thinckes that might bee by making | Eudox: But mee thinckes that might bee by making |
of good lawes , lawes, and establishinge of newe statutes | of good lawes, lawes , and establishinge of newe statutes |
w i th wth sharpe pennalties , pennalties, and punishm en tes for amending | wth w i th sharpe pennalties, pennalties , and punishm en tes for amending |
of all that is p re sentlie amysse , amysse, and not as yee | of all that is p re sentlie amysse, amysse , and not as yee |
suppose to begine all as yt were anewe and | suppose to begine all as yt were anewe and |
to alter the whole forme of the gou er ern m en t w hi ch wch | to alter the whole forme of the gou ern er m en t wch w hi ch |
how dangerous a thinge yt is to attempte , attempte, yow | how dangerous a thinge yt is to attempte, attempte , yow |
yo u r yor self must needes confesse , confesse, and they w hi ch wch | yor yo u r self must needes confesse, confesse , and they wch w hi ch |
haue the mannaginge of the Realmes wholie whole | haue the mannaginge of the Realmes whole wholie |
pollycie , pollycie, cannot w i th out wthout great cause , cause, feare and | pollycie, pollycie , cannot wthout w i th out great cause, cause , feare and |
refraine : ffor refraine: For all innovacon is p er illous in | refraine: For refraine : ffor all innovacon is p er illous in |
so much as though as though yt bee ment for the | so much as though as though yt bee ment for the |
better , better, yett so manye accydentes and feare full fearefull | better, better , yett so manye accydentes and fearefull feare full |
eventes maye come betwene , betwene, as that yt maye | eventes maye come betwene, betwene , as that yt maye |
hazarde the losse of the whole : : whole:: | hazarde the losse of the whole:: whole : : |
Iren: Verie true Eudox: Eudox : all change is to bee | Iren: Verie true Eudox : Eudox: all change is to bee |
shvnde , shvnde, where the affayres stand in such state | shvnde, shvnde , where the affayres stand in such state |
as that they maye Contynewe in quietnes quietnes: | as that they maye Contynewe in quietnes: quietnes |
or bee assured at all to abyde as they are : are: But | or bee assured at all to abyde as they are: are : But |
that in the Realme of Ireland wee see much ~ ~ -- | that in the Realme of Ireland wee see much -- ~ ~ |
otherwise | otherwise |
Folio 60r 60r; written "59" | 60r; written "59" Folio 60r |
59 otherwise, for everie daye wee p er ceaue the troubles | otherwise, for everie daye wee p er ceaue the troubles 59 |
otherwise , for everie daye wee p er ceaue the troubles growinge more vpon vs, and one evill growinge | growinge more vpon vs, and one evill growinge otherwise , for everie daye wee p er ceaue the troubles |
vpon vs , and one evill growinge another, in so much as there is noe p ar te sounde | growinge more vpon another, in so much as there is noe p ar te sounde vs , and one evill growinge |
vpon another , in so much as not nor assertined, but all haue there is noe p ar te sounde eares vpright | not nor assertined, but all haue vpon another , in so much as there eares vpright is noe p ar te sounde |
not nor assertined , but all haue there cares vpringht watinge when the watchword shall come that | watinge when the watchword shall come that not nor assertined , but all haue there cares vpringht |
watinge when the watch now shall come that | watinge when the watch now shall come that |
they should all ryse gen er allie into Rebellion and | they should all ryse gen er allie into Rebellion and |
cast awaye the englishe subiection , subiection, to w hi ch wch there | cast awaye the englishe subiection, subiection , to wch w hi ch there |
now little wanteth , wanteth, for I thincke the worde bee | now little wanteth, wanteth , for I thincke the worde bee |
alreadie gyven and there wanteth nothinge but | alreadie gyven and there wanteth nothinge but |
oportunitie w hi ch oportunitie, wch trulie is the death of one Noble | oportunitie, wch oportunitie w hi ch trulie is the death of one Noble |
p er son , son, who beinge him self most stedfast to his | p er son, son , who beinge him self most stedfast to his |
noble Quene , Quene, his Countrie Coasting vpon the | noble Quene, Quene , his Countrie Coasting vpon the |
South sea , sea, stoppeth the ingrate ingate of all that | South sea, sea , stoppeth the ingate ingrate of all that |
evill w hi ch wch is loked for , for, and noldeth holdethe in all those | evill wch w hi ch is loked for, for , and holdethe noldeth in all those |
w hi ch wch are at his backe w i th wth the terror of his | wch w hi ch are at his backe wth w i th the terror of his |
greatnes , greatnes, and the assurance of his ymoveable | greatnes, greatnes , and the assurance of his ymoveable |
loyaltie , loyaltie, And therefore where yow thincke that | loyaltie, loyaltie , And therefore where yow thincke that |
good and sound lawes might amend ^ & reforme thinges amysse | good and sound lawes might amend ^ & reforme thinges amysse |
there theire yow thincke surelie amysse , amysse, for yt is | theire there yow thincke surelie amysse, amysse , for yt is |
vaine to p re scribe lawes where noe man careth | vaine to p re scribe lawes where noe man careth |
for kepinge them , them, nor feareth the danger for brea | for kepinge them, them , nor feareth the danger for brea |
kinge them , them, but all the Realme is first to | kinge them, them , but all the Realme is first to |
bee reformed and lawes are afterwarde to be | bee reformed and lawes are afterwarde to be |
made , made, for kepinge and contayninge yt in that | made, made , for kepinge and contayninge yt in that |
reformed estate : : estate:: | reformed estate:: estate : : |
Eudox: How then doe yow thincke is there formacon the reformacon | Eudox: How then doe yow thincke is the reformacon there formacon |
thereof to be begane begune, yf not by lawes and ~ - | thereof to be begune, begane yf not by lawes and - ~ |
ordynances : : ordynances:: | ordynances:: ordynances : : |
Iren: Even by the sworde , sworde, for all those evills must | Iren: Even by the sworde, sworde , for all those evills must |
first bee cutt awaye w i th wth a stronge hand , hand, before | first bee cutt awaye wth w i th a stronge hand, hand , before |
any good can bee planted , planted, lyke as the corrupt | any good can bee planted, planted , lyke as the corrupt |
branches and the vnwholsome lawes are first firste to | branches and the vnwholsome lawes are firste first to |
bee pruned , pruned, and the fowle mosse clensed or | bee pruned, pruned , and the fowle mosse clensed or |
scraped awaye , awaye, before the tree can bring forth | scraped awaye, awaye , before the tree can bring forth |
any good | any good |
Folio 60v | Folio 60v |
any good good fruite : fruite: | any good good fruite: fruite : |
Eudox: Doe you blame me even now for wishinge kern e kerne | Eudox: Doe you blame me even now for wishinge kerne kern e |
horseboyes and Carrowes to bee cleane cutt of and | horseboyes and Carrowes to bee cleane cutt of and |
as too.. too oo violent a meanes and doe yow yo u r yor self now | as too oo too.. violent a meanes and doe yow yor yo u r self now |
p re scribe the same as to vyolent a meanes a medicyn e ameanes a medicyne, | p re scribe the same as to vyolent ameanes a medicyne, a meanes a medicyn e |
ys not the sworde the most vyolent redresse that | ys not the sworde the most vyolent redresse that |
maye bee vsed for any euill : euill: | maye bee vsed for any euill: euill : |
Iren: It is so But yet where noe other remedie mai e may | Iren: It is so But yet where noe other remedie may mai e |
bee founde , founde, nor noe hope of recou er ie had had, there must | bee founde, founde , nor noe hope of recou er ie had, had there must |
needes this violente meanes bee vsed , vsed, as for that | needes this violente meanes bee vsed, vsed , as for that |
loose kynde of people w hi ch wch yow would haue cutt of | loose kynde of people wch w hi ch yow would haue cutt of |
I blamed yt for that they might mighte otherwise p er hap ps happs | I blamed yt for that they mighte might otherwise p er happs hap ps |
be brought to good , good, as namelie by this waye w hi ch wch | be brought to good, good , as namelie by this waye wch w hi ch |
I sett before yow : : yow:: | I sett before yow:: yow : : |
Eudox: Is not yo u r yor waye all one w i th wth the form er in effect | Eudox: Is not yor yo u r waye all one wth w i th the form er in effect |
w hi ch wch yow found falte w i th wth, saue onelie this odes , odes, (that | wch w hi ch yow found falte wth, w i th saue onelie this odes, odes , (that |
I saye by the halter and yow saye by the sword sworde | I saye by the halter and yow saye by the sworde sword |
what difference is there , : there,: | what difference is there,: there , : |
Iren: There is surelie greate when yow shall vnder | Iren: There is surelie greate when yow shall vnder |
stande yt , yt, for by the sworde w hi ch wch I meane named I doe | stande yt, yt , for by the sworde wch w hi ch I meane named I doe |
not l meane the Cuttinge of of all that nacon nac i on | not l meane the Cuttinge of of all that nac i on nacon |
w i th wth the sword , w hi ch sword, wch farr be yt from mee th at that | wth w i th the sword, wch sword , w hi ch farr be yt from mee that th at |
ever I should thincke so desperatelie or wish | ever I should thincke so desperatelie or wish |
so vncharitablie , vncharitablie, but by the sworde I meane | so vncharitablie, vncharitablie , but by the sworde I meane |
the Royall power of the Prince w hi ch wch ought | the Royall power of the Prince wch w hi ch ought |
to stretch yt self forth o OB in her cheif strength | to stretch yt self forth OB o in her cheif strength |
to the redressinge and cuttinge of of those | to the redressinge and cuttinge of of those |
evills w hi ch wch I before blamed blamed, and not of the | evills wch w hi ch I before blamed, blamed and not of the |
people w hi ch people wch are evill , evill, for evill people by good | people wch people w hi ch are evill, evill , for evill people by good |
ordynance and gou er ern m en t , maye bee made good , good, but | ordynance and gou ern er m en t , maye bee made good, good , but |
the evill that is of yt self evill will ~ - | the evill that is of yt self evill will - ~ |
never bee made come goode . : | never bee made come goode : . |
Eudox: I pray | Eudox: I pray |
Folio 61r 61r; written "60" | 61r; written "60" Folio 61r |
60 Eudox: I praye yow then declare yor mynde at | Eudox: I praye yow then declare yor mynde at 60 |
Eudox: I praye yow then declare yo u r mynde at large how yow would wishe that sworde wch yow | large how yow would wishe that sworde wch yow Eudox: I praye yow then declare yo u r mynde at |
large how yow would wishe that sworde w hi ch yow meane, to bee vsed to the reformacon of all those | meane, to bee vsed to the reformacon of all those large how yow would wishe that sworde w hi ch yow |
meane , to bee vsed to the reformacon of all those evills: | evills: meane , to bee vsed to the reformacon of all those |
evills : Iren: The first thinge must bee to sende over into y t | Iren: The first thinge must bee to sende over into y t evills : |
Iren: The first thinge must bee to sende over into y Realme such a t stronge power of men, as that shall | Realme such Iren: The first thinge must bee to sende over into y a stronge power of men, as that shall t |
Realme such a stronge power of men , as that shall | Realme such a stronge power of men , as that shall |
p er force bringe in all that rebellious rout of loose | p er force bringe in all that rebellious rout of loose |
people w hi ch other wch eyther doe now stand out in open Armes | people wch eyther w hi ch other doe now stand out in open Armes |
or in wandringe Companies Companies: doe kepe the woodes | or in wandringe Companies: Companies doe kepe the woodes |
spoylinge and infestinge the good subiectes ; subiecte: | spoylinge and infestinge the good subiecte: subiectes ; |
Eudox: Yow speake now Iren: of an Ifynite Infynite charg | Eudox: Yow speake now Iren: of an Infynite Ifynite charg |
to her mai es Ma jes tie to sende over such an Armie as should | to her Ma jes mai es tie to sende over such an Armie as should |
tread downe all that standeth before them | tread downe all that standeth before them |
on foote and laie on the ground all the stiffe necked | on foote and laie on the ground all the stiffe necked |
people of that land land, for theire is now but an one | people of that land, land for theire is now but one an |
Outlawe Owtlawe of any great reckoninge reckoninge, to wete , wete, the | Owtlawe Outlawe of any great reckoninge, reckoninge to wete, wete , the |
Earle of Tyrone abroad in Armes , Armes, against whom | Earle of Tyrone abroad in Armes, Armes , against whom |
yow see what huge changes charges shee hath bene at this | yow see what huge charges changes shee hath bene at this |
last yeare in sendinge of men providinge of ~ - | last yeare in sendinge of men providinge of - ~ |
victuals and making makinge heade against him , him, yett | victuals and makinge making heade against him, him , yett |
theire is lyttle or nothinge at all done : : done:: But | theire is lyttle or nothinge at all done:: done : : But |
the Quenes treasure spente , spente, her people waisted | the Quenes treasure spente, spente , her people waisted |
the poore Countrie troubled , troubled, and the enymie - | the poore Countrie troubled, troubled , and the enymie - |
neu er theles brought into noe more subiection , subiection, then he | neu er theles brought into noe more subiection, subiection , then he |
was , was, or list outwardlie to shewe w hi ch wch in effect is | was, was , or list outwardlie to shewe wch w hi ch in effect is |
none , none, but rather a scorne of her power , power, and | none, none , but rather a scorne of her power, power , and |
enboldinge enbold n inge of a prowde Rebell , Rebell, and an encorragm en t | enbold n inge enboldinge of a prowde Rebell, Rebell , and an encorragm en t |
vnto all like lewde disposed traytors , traytors, that | vnto all like lewde disposed traytors, traytors , that |
shall dare to lifte vpp theire heele against | shall dare to lifte vpp theire heele against |
theire sou er aigne Ladie , there fore Ladie, therefore yt weare hard | theire sou er aigne Ladie, therefore Ladie , there fore yt weare hard |
Counsell to drawe such an excedinge charge | Counsell to drawe such an excedinge charge |
vpon her , her, whose event should bee so vncerten : vncerten: | vpon her, her , whose event should bee so vncerten: vncerten : |
Iren Trewe Trewe: | Iren Trewe: Trewe |
Folio 61v | Folio 61v |
Iren: Trewe : Trewe: indeed yf the event should bee | Iren: Trewe: Trewe : indeed yf the event should bee |
vncertaine , vncertaine, but the certainetie certaintie of theffecte hereof | vncertaine, vncertaine , but the certaintie certainetie of theffecte hereof |
shalbe so infallable , infallable, as that noe reason can gain gaine | shalbe so infallable, infallable , as that noe reason can gaine gain |
saye yt neither neyther shall the charge of all the this | saye yt neyther neither shall the charge of all this the |
Armie w hi ch wch I demaund bee much greater , greater, then | Armie wch w hi ch I demaund bee much greater, greater , then |
so much as in this last twoe yeares warrs , hat h warrs, hath | so much as in this last twoe yeares warrs, hath warrs , hat h |
vainelie bene expended , expended, for I dare vndertake | vainelie bene expended, expended , for I dare vndertake |
that yt hath cost the Quene aboue ii OB : 200000 | that yt hath cost the Quene aboue OB ii : 200000 |
C poundes alreadye , alreadye, and for the p re sente charge | C poundes alreadye, alreadye , and for the p re sente charge |
that shee is now at theire , theire, a mounteth to verie | that shee is now at theire, theire , a mounteth to verie |
nere 12000 poundes a month , amonth, whereof cast yee the | nere 12000 poundes amonth, a month , whereof cast yee the |
Counte yett nothinge done , the w hi ch some , ha d done, The wch some, had | Counte yett nothinge done, The wch some, had done , the w hi ch some , ha d |
yt bene ymployed as yt should bee , bee, would haue | yt bene ymployed as yt should bee, bee , would haue |
effected all this , this, that I now goe aboute : : a boute:: | effected all this, this , that I now goe a boute:: aboute : : |
Eudox: How meane yow to haue yt ymployed , ymployed, but to | Eudox: How meane yow to haue yt ymployed, ymployed , but to |
bee spent in the playe paye of soldyers and provis ion of provisio n of | bee spent in the paye playe of soldyers and provisio n of provis ion of |
victuall : victuall: | victuall: victuall : |
Iren: Right, so , so, but yt is now not disbursed at once | Iren: Right, so, so , but yt is now not disbursed at once |
as yt might bee but drawen out into a longe alonge | as yt might bee but drawen out into alonge a longe |
lenghte , lengthe, by sendinge over now , 2000 poundes now, 20000 poundes, | lengthe, lenghte , by sendinge over now, 20000 poundes, now , 2000 poundes |
and next half yea ye a re 10000 , 10000, So as the soldyer soldyor | and next half ye a yea re 10000, 10000 , So as the soldyor soldyer |
in the meane tyme is for wante of due p ro vis ion vision | in the meane tyme is for wante of due p ro vision vis ion |
as victuall and good payment of his ster ued sterued | as victuall and good payment of his sterued ster ued |
and consumed , consumed, that of 1000 w hi ch wch came over lustie | and consumed, consumed , that of 1000 wch w hi ch came over lustie |
able men in half a yeare there are not leftt lefte | able men in half a yeare there are not lefte leftt |
?500 500 and yett is the Quenes charge neu er theless thelesse, | 500 ?500 and yett is the Quenes charge neu er thelesse, theless |
but what is not paid in p re sent monie is acc ompted accompted | but what is not paid in p re sent monie is accompted acc ompted |
in debte , w hi ch debte, wch will not bee longe vnpaide , beelonge vnpaide, | in debte, wch debte , w hi ch will not beelonge vnpaide, bee longe vnpaide , |
for the Capteine half of whose soldyers are | for the Capteine half of whose soldyers are |
deade , deade, and thother quarter never mustred nor | deade, deade , and thother quarter never mustred nor |
sene , sene, comes shortelie to demaund payment he re heere | sene, sene , comes shortelie to demaund payment heere he re |
of his | of his |
Folio 62r 62r; written "61" | 62r; written "61" Folio 62r |
61 of his whole accompte, where by good meanes of | of his whole accompte, where by good meanes of 61 |
of his whole accompte , where by good meanes of some greate ones and p ri vie sharinge wth the | some greate ones and p ri vie sharinge wth the of his whole accompte , where by good meanes of |
some greate ones offycers and p ri vie sharinge w i th the serv an tes of other some, he receyueth | offycers some greate ones and serv an tes of other some, he receyueth p ri vie sharinge w i th the |
officers and serv an tes of other some , he receyueth his debte, much lesse p er happs then was due | his debte, much lesse p er happs then was due officers and serv an tes of other some , he receyueth |
his debte , yett much lesse perhaps more indeed then was due he iustlie deserued: | yett his debte , much more indeed lesse perhaps then he iustlie deserued: was due |
yet much more indeed then he iustlie deserued : | yet much more indeed then he iustlie deserued : |
Eudox: I take this sure to bee noe good husbandrie | Eudox: I take this sure to bee noe good husbandrie |
for what must needes bee spent , spent, as good spente | for what must needes bee spent, spent , as good spente |
at once where is ynough , ynough, as to haue yt | at once where is ynough, ynough , as to haue yt |
drawen out into longe delaies , delaies, seinge that thereby | drawen out into longe delaies, delaies , seinge that thereby |
both the service is much hindered , hindered, and yet yett | both the service is much hindered, hindered , and yett yet |
nothinge saved , saved, But yt maye bee that the | nothinge saved, saved , But yt maye bee that the |
Quenes teasure treasure in so great occasions of | Quenes treasure teasure in so great occasions of |
high disbursements huge disbursem en tes as yt is well knowene | huge disbursem en tes high disbursements as yt is well knowene |
shee hath bene at latelie , latelie, is not always alwaies | shee hath bene at latelie, latelie , is not alwaies always |
so readye , so readye, nor so plentifull as yt can spare | so readye, so readye , nor so plentifull as yt can spare |
so greate a some togeather , togeather, but beinge paid | so greate a some togeather, togeather , but beinge paid |
as yt is , is, now some and then some , yt is some, yt is | as yt is, is , now some and then some, yt is some , yt is |
noe great burden vnto her , her, nor any great | noe great burden vnto her, her , nor any great |
ympoverishing to her Coffers , Coffers, seinge by | ympoverishing to her Coffers, Coffers , seinge by |
such delaye of tyme that yt dalie cometh in | such delaye of tyme that yt dalie cometh in |
so fast as she poureth yt out : out: | so fast as she poureth yt out: out : |
Iren: Yt maye bee as yow said , said, but for the goinge | Iren: Yt maye bee as yow said, said , but for the goinge |
through of so honorable a course , course, I doubt not but | through of so honorable a course, course , I doubt not but |
yf the Quenes Coffers bee not so well stored | yf the Quenes Coffers bee not so well stored |
w hi ch (wch wee are not to looke into , into) but that the | (wch w hi ch wee are not to looke into) into , but that the |
whole Realme w hi ch wch now as (as thinges are vsed vsed) | whole Realme wch w hi ch now (as as thinges are vsed) vsed |
doe feele a contynewall burthen of that wretched | doe feele a contynewall burthen of that wretched |
realme hanginge vpon theire backes would for a fynall | realme hanginge vpon theire backes would for a fynall |
ryddance of that trouble bee once troubled for all | ryddance of that trouble bee once troubled for all |
and put to and putto all theire shoulders and helpinge handes | and putto and put to all theire shoulders and helpinge handes |
and hartes also to the defrayinge of that | and hartes also to the defrayinge of that |
charge most gladfullie and willingelie , and willinglie, and | charge most gladfullie and willinglie, and willingelie , and |
surelie | surelie |
Folio 62v | Folio 62v |
surelie the charge in effect is nothinge to te the infy | surelie the charge in effect is nothinge to the te infy |
nite greate good w hi ch wch should come thereby both to the | nite greate good wch w hi ch should come thereby both to the |
Quene and all this Realme gen er allie as when | Quene and all this Realme gen er allie as when |
tyme serueth shalbe shewed : : shewed:: | tyme serueth shalbe shewed:: shewed : : |
Eudox: How manye men then would yow requier to | Eudox: How manye men then would yow requier to |
the fynishing of this w hi ch wch yee take in hand , hand, and | the fynishing of this wch w hi ch yee take in hand, hand , and |
how longe space would yow haue them entertayned : entertayned: | how longe space would yow haue them entertayned: entertayned : |
Iren: Verelie not aboue 1000 footemen and . OB | Iren: Verelie not aboue 1000 footemen and OB . |
1000 horse and all those not aboue the space of | 1000 horse and all those not aboue the space of |
one yeare and a half , half, for I would still as the | one yeare and a half, half , for I would still as the |
heate of the service abateth , abateth, abate the nomber | heate of the service abateth, abateth , abate the nomber |
in paye , paye, and make other provision for them as | in paye, paye , and make other provision for them as |
I will shewe : shewe: | I will shewe: shewe : |
**nor nor noe longe tyme but how would yow haue them vsd would yow lead forth yo u r Army against ye enimy and yor | nor **nor noe longe tyme but how would yow haue them vsd would yow lead forth yor yo u r Army against ye enimy and |
seeke him where he is to fight** Army against y e enimy and | Army against y e enimy and seeke him where he is to fight** |
Eudox: Surelie yt semeth not much that yee require ^ seeke him where he is to fight | seeke him where he is to fight Eudox: Surelie yt semeth not much that yee require ^ |
Eudox: for Surelie yt is well knowne , semeth a flyinge not much that he is yee requir e | Iren: No Eudox: Surelie for yt is well knowne , that yee requir e he is semeth not much a flyinge |
Enymie hydinge him self in woodes and bogges , from Ir: No Eudox: for yt is well knowne, that he is flyeth a flyinge | Ir: No Eudox: for yt is well knowne, that he is flyeth a flyinge Enymie hydinge him self in woodes and bogges , from |
whernce he will not drawe forth , but into some ~ Enymie hydinge him self in woodes and bogges, from | Enymie hydinge him self in woodes and bogges, from whernce he will not drawe forth , but into some ~ |
whence he will not drawe forth, but into some - | straight passage . in woodes and bogges , from whence he will not drawe forth, but into some - |
straight passage in woodes and bogges, from whence | he will not drawe forth , but into some straight passage in woodes and bogges, from whence |
he will not drawe forth, but into some straight | he will not drawe forth, but into some straight |
pas or p er illous forde where he knowes the | pas or p er illous forde where he knowes the |
Army must needs passe , needes passe, there will he lye in | Army must needes passe, needs passe , there will he lye in |
a waite and if he fynde advantage fytt will wyll dange | a waite and if he fynde advantage fytt wyll will dange |
rouslie hazard the troubled soldyer , soldyer, therefore | rouslie hazard the troubled soldyer, soldyer , therefore |
to seeke him owte that still flyeth , flyeth, and followe | to seeke him owte that still flyeth, flyeth , and followe |
him that can hardlie be found were vaine and | him that can hardlie be found were vaine and |
bootles , booteles, but I would deuide my men in garrison vpon | booteles, bootles , but I would deuide my men in garrison vpon |
his Countrie , Countrie, in such places as I should thincke | his Countrie, Countrie , in such places as I should thincke |
mighte most annoye him : him: | mighte most annoye him: him : |
Eudox: But how can that bee Iren: , w i th Iren:, wth so fewe men men, | Eudox: But how can that bee Iren:, wth Iren: , w i th so fewe men, men |
for thenemye as yee now see OB is not all in one | for thenemye as yee now see OB is not all in one |
Countrie , Countrie, but some in Vlster , Vlster, some in Connough and | Countrie, Countrie , but some in Vlster, Vlster , some in Connough and |
others in Leinster , Leinster, so as to plante stronge garrisons | others in Leinster, Leinster , so as to plante stronge garrisons |
in all these | in all these |
** These lines are Eudox’s, inserted above the caret in two lines squeezed between Eudox’s first and Irenius’ last in the preceding paragraph. The first words of Irenius’ reply, along with his name, are squeezed into the margin. The scribe must have initially eye-skipped from “require” to “for yt is,” viewing them as Eudox’s speech continued. 63r; written "62" | 63r; written "62" ** These lines are Eudox’s, inserted above the caret in two lines squeezed between Eudox’s first and Irenius’ last in the preceding paragraph. The first words of Irenius’ reply, along with his name, are squeezed into the margin. The scribe must have initially eye-skipped from “require” to “for yt is,” viewing them as Eudox’s speech continued. |
Folio 63r in all these places, should need manye moe men the n | in all these places, should need manye moe men the n Folio 63r |
62 yow speake of, or to plante all in one and to leaue | yow speake of, or to plante all in one and to leaue 62 |
the n rest naked, should need manye moe men be but to leaue them to | in all these places , should be but to leaue them to need manye moe men the rest naked, n |
yow speake of , or to plante all in one and to leaue the spoyle:: | the spoyle:: yow speake of , or to plante all in one and to leaue |
the rest naked , should be but to leaue them to Iren I would wishe the cheif power of the Armie | Iren I would wishe the cheif power of the Armie the rest naked , should be but to leaue them to |
the spoyle : : to bee garrisond in one Countrie, that is strongest | to bee garrisond in one Countrie, that is strongest the spoyle : : |
Iren: I would wishe the cheif power of the Armie and thother vpon the rest that are weakest, | and thother vpon the rest that are weakest, Iren: I would wishe the cheif power of the Armie |
to bee garrisond in one Countrie , that is strongest | to bee garrisond in one Countrie , that is strongest |
and thother vpon the rest that are weakest , | and thother vpon the rest that are weakest , |
As for example the Earle of Terrone is now | As for example the Earle of Terrone is now |
counted the strongest , strongest, vpon him would I laye 8000 | counted the strongest, strongest , vpon him would I laye 8000 |
men in garrisson , garrisson, 1000 vpon Pheagh ma M ac Hugh | men in garrisson, garrisson , 1000 vpon Pheagh M ac ma Hugh |
and the Cavanaghes , Cavanaghes, and 1000 vpon some p ar tes | and the Cavanaghes, Cavanaghes , and 1000 vpon some p ar tes |
of Connagh to be at the dyrection of the | of Connagh to be at the dyrection of the |
Governor : : Governor:: | Governor:: Governor : : |
Eudox: I see now all yo u r yor men bestowed , bestowed, but in | Eudox: I see now all yor yo u r men bestowed, bestowed , but in |
what places would yow sett theire garrison that | what places would yow sett theire garrison that |
they might ryse out most Convenientlie to seruice | they might ryse out most Convenientlie to seruice |
and though p er happs I am Ignroante Ignorante of the places | and though p er happs I am Ignorante Ignroante of the places |
yett I will take the mapp of Ireland before | yett I will take the mapp of Ireland before |
mee and make my eyes in the meane while | mee and make my eyes in the meane while |
my scholemasters to guide my vnderstanding to | my scholemasters to guide my vnderstanding to |
iudge of yo u r plott : yor plott: | iudge of yor plott: yo u r plott : |
Iren: These 8000 of Vlster I would deuide like | Iren: These 8000 of Vlster I would deuide like |
wise into 4 p ar tes tes, so as theire should bee 2000 | wise into 4 p ar tes, tes so as theire should bee 2000 |
foote men footemen in eu er ie garrison , garrison, the w hi ch wch I would thus ~ - | footemen foote men in eu er ie garrison, garrison , the wch w hi ch I would thus - ~ |
place :: place:: Vpon the blacke water in some convenient | place:: place :: Vpon the blacke water in some convenient |
place , place, as highe vpon the Ryver as might bee | place, place , as highe vpon the Ryver as might bee |
one garrison garrison. Another would I putt at Castleliffer | one garrison. garrison Another would I putt at Castleliffer |
or Castlefyn or theire aboutes , aboutes, so as they | or Castlefyn or theire aboutes, aboutes , so as they |
should haue all the passages vpon the ryver | should haue all the passages vpon the ryver |
to Laythfoyle , Laythfoyle, The third I would place about | to Laythfoyle, Laythfoyle , The third I would place about |
ffermagh Fermagh or Bondruise , Bondroise, so as they might lie | Fermagh ffermagh or Bondroise, Bondruise , so as they might lie |
betwene Connaugh and Vlster , Vlster, to serue vpon | betwene Connaugh and Vlster, Vlster , to serue vpon |
both | both |
Folio 63v | Folio 63v |
both sydes as occasion shalbe offred , offred, and this therefore | both sydes as occasion shalbe offred, offred , and this therefore |
would I haue stronger then any of the rest because | would I haue stronger then any of the rest because |
yt should bee most enforced en forced and most ymployed | yt should bee most en forced enforced and most ymployed |
and that they might putt wardes at Ballashane Ballashanie, | and that they might putt wardes at Ballashanie, Ballashane |
Belike and all those passages , passages, The rest would | Belike and all those passages, passages , The rest would |
I sett about Monnahan , or Bilterbert , Belterbert, so as yt | I sett about Monnahan , or Belterbert, Bilterbert , so as yt |
should fronte both vpon thenemye then e mye that maye waye | should fronte both vpon then e mye thenemye that waye maye |
and also kepe the Countie of Cavan and Meath | and also kepe the Countie of Cavan and Meath |
in awe from passinge of straglers and ougad outgad | in awe from passinge of straglers and outgad ougad |
ders from those p ar tes whence theyse vse to Come | ders from those p ar tes whence theyse vse to Come |
forthe and oftentimes worke much mischeif , and mischeif, and | forthe and oftentimes worke much mischeif, and mischeif , and |
to everie of these garrisons of 2000 footemen I | to everie of these garrisons of 2000 footemen I |
would haue 200 horsemen added , added, for thone w i th out wthout | would haue 200 horsemen added, added , for thone wthout w i th out |
thother can doe but little seruice , seruice, The fowre | thother can doe but little seruice, seruice , The fowre |
garrisons thus beinge placed I would haue | garrisons thus beinge placed I would haue |
to be victualled aforehand , aforehand, for half a yere | to be victualled aforehand, aforehand , for half a yere |
w hi ch wch yee will saye to bee hard , hard, considdring | wch w hi ch yee will saye to bee hard, hard , considdring |
the Corruption and vsuall waste of victual ls victualls | the Corruption and vsuall waste of victualls victual ls |
But whie should they not ^ as well aswell be victualled for so | But whie should they not aswell ^ as well be victualled for so |
longe tyme as the shipps are vsuallye for | longe tyme as the shipps are vsuallye for |
a yeare , yeare, and sometimes twoe seinge yt is easyer to | a yeare, yeare , and sometimes twoe seinge yt is easyer to |
kepe them on lande , lande, then on water : water: There | kepe them on lande, lande , then on water: water : There |
bread would I haue in flower , flower, so as yt might | bread would I haue in flower, flower , so as yt might |
bee baked still to serue theire want , theire ~ want, theire | bee baked still to serue theire want, theire want , theire ~ |
drincke also theire brued w i th wth in them from tyme | drincke also theire brued wth w i th in them from tyme |
to tyme , tyme, and theire beif before hande barrelled | to tyme, tyme , and theire beif before hande barrelled |
the w hi ch wch maye bee vsed as yt is needed needed, for I | the wch w hi ch maye bee vsed as yt is needed, needed for I |
make noe doubte but of fresh victuall they | make noe doubte but of fresh victuall they |
will some tymes purvey them selues themselues amongst the theire | will some tymes purvey themselues them selues amongst theire the |
Enemyes Creete Creete: Here vnto would I also haue | Enemyes Creete: Creete Here vnto would I also haue |
them haue a store of hose and shoes w i th wth such | them haue a store of hose and shoes wth w i th such |
other necessaries as maye bee needfull for | other necessaries as maye bee needfull for |
Soldiers | Soldiers |
Folio 64r 64r; written "63" | 64r; written "63" Folio 64r |
63 | 63 |
Soldiers so as they should haue noe occasion to | Soldiers so as they should haue noe occasion to |
looke for releif relief from obroad , abroad, or occasion such trouble | looke for relief releif from abroad, obroad , or occasion such trouble |
for theire contynewallie supplie , supplie, as I see and | for theire contynewallie supplie, supplie , as I see and |
haue often proued in Ireland , Ireland, to be Cumbrous | haue often proued in Ireland, Ireland , to be Cumbrous |
to the deputie , deputie, and more dangerous to them | to the deputie, deputie , and more dangerous to them |
that releive them , them, then half the leading | that releive them, them , then half the leading |
of an Armye , Armye, for thenymie knowinge the | of an Armye, Armye , for thenymie knowinge the |
ordynarie wayes by w hi ch wch theire releif must | ordynarie wayes by wch w hi ch theire releif must |
bee brought them , them, vseth comonlie com m onlie to drawe | bee brought them, them , vseth com m onlie comonlie to drawe |
him self into the straight passages thitherward | him self into the straight passages thitherward |
and oftentimes doth dangerouslie distresse them ~ , them-, | and oftentimes doth dangerouslie distresse them-, them ~ , |
Besydes the praye of such force as should bee | Besydes the praye of such force as should bee |
sente for theire Convoye , Convoye, the Charge of | sente for theire Convoye, Convoye , the Charge of |
the Carryages , the .. the Carryages, the OB exactions of the Countie Countrie | the Carryages, the OB the Carryages , the .. exactions of the Countrie Countie |
shalbe spared , spared, but onelie eu er ie half yeare , yeare, | shalbe spared, spared , but onelie eu er ie half yeare, yeare , |
the supplie brought by the deputie him self and | the supplie brought by the deputie him self and |
his power , power, who shall then vysite and over | his power, power , who shall then vysite and over |
looke all those garrisons , garrisons, to see what is needed , needed, | looke all those garrisons, garrisons , to see what is needed, needed , |
& to change what is expedyent , expedyent, and to dyrecte | to & change what is expedyent, expedyent , and to dyrecte |
what he shall best aduise , aduise, And these form er | what he shall best aduise, aduise , And these form er |
garrisons , garrisons, yssuinge forth at such conveniente | garrisons, garrisons , yssuinge forth at such conveniente |
tymes , tymes, as they shall haue intelligence or | tymes, tymes , as they shall haue intelligence or |
espyall vpon the Enemye , Enemye, will so driue him | espyall vpon the Enemye, Enemye , will so driue him |
from one steade to another , another, and tennis him | from one steade to another, another , and tennis him |
amongst them , them, that he shall fynde the th OB | amongst them, them , that he shall fynde th OB the |
noe wheare saif to kepe kepe, his Crete nor hyde | noe wheare saif to kepe, kepe his Crete nor hyde |
him self , self, but flyinge from the fyer shall | him self, self , but flyinge from the fyer shall |
shall ^ fyell fall f...c fyer into the waters water OB , and out of one danger | fyell shall ^ fall fyer f...c into the water OB waters , and out of one danger |
into another , another, that in shorte tyme his Creete , Creete, | into another, another , that in shorte tyme his Creete, Creete , |
w hi ch wch is his most susteynance , susteynance, shalbe waisted , waisted, | wch w hi ch is his most susteynance, susteynance , shalbe waisted, waisted , |
w i th wth prayeing or kylled w i th wth dryving or starued | wth w i th prayeing or kylled wth w i th dryving or starued |
for wante | for wante |
Folio 64v | Folio 64v |
for wante of pasture in the woodes , woodes, and hee him | for wante of pasture in the woodes, woodes , and hee him |
self brought so lowe , lowe, that he shall haue noe | self brought so lowe, lowe , that he shall haue noe |
harte nor abillitie to endure his wretchednes the | harte nor abillitie to endure his wretchednes the |
w hi ch wch will surelie come to passe in verie shorte | wch w hi ch will surelie come to passe in verie shorte |
space , space, for one winters well followinge of him will | space, space , for one winters well followinge of him will |
so plucke him on his knees that he will neu er | so plucke him on his knees that he will neu er |
bee able to stande vpp againe : : againe:: | bee able to stande vpp againe:: againe : : |
Eudox: Doe yow then thincke the wintertime fittest | Eudox: Doe yow then thincke the wintertime fittest |
for the seruices of Ireland , Ireland, how falls yt then | for the seruices of Ireland, Ireland , how falls yt then |
that our most ymployem en t es tes bee in som er mer , and the | that our most ymployem en tes t es bee in som mer er , and the |
armies then ledd comonlie forth : : com m onlie forth:: | armies then ledd com m onlie forth:: comonlie forth : : |
Iren: It is surelie misconceyued , misconceyued, for yt is not w i th wth | Iren: It is surelie misconceyued, misconceyued , for yt is not wth w i th |
Ireland as w i th wth other Countries , Countries, wheare the | Ireland as wth w i th other Countries, Countries , wheare the |
warrs flame most in Som er mer , and the hel metes ~ - | warrs flame most in Som mer er , and the hel metes - ~ |
glister brightest in the faire sunshine , sunshine, But | glister brightest in the faire sunshine, sunshine , But |
in Ireland the winter yeildeth best seruices | in Ireland the winter yeildeth best seruices |
for then the trees are bare and naked , w hi ch naked, wch vse | for then the trees are bare and naked, wch naked , w hi ch vse |
both to Cloath and howese the kerne , kerne, The | both to Cloath and howese the kerne, kerne , The |
ground is could and wett w hi ch wch vseth to bee his | ground is could and wett wch w hi ch vseth to bee his |
beddinge , beddinge, the ayre is sharpe and bytter w hi ch wch | beddinge, beddinge , the ayre is sharpe and bytter wch w hi ch |
vseth to blowe thorowe his naked sydes and | vseth to blowe thorowe his naked sydes and |
legges , legges, the kyen are barren and w i th out wthout milke | legges, legges , the kyen are barren and wthout w i th out milke |
w hi ch wch vseth to bee his onelie foode niether foode, neyther yf | wch w hi ch vseth to bee his onelie foode, neyther foode niether yf |
he kyll them , them, then will . y they yeild him | he kyll them, them , then will y . they yeild him |
fleshe , fleshe, nor if hee kepe them will they giue | fleshe, fleshe , nor if hee kepe them will they giue |
him foode , h im foode, besides then beinge all in calf for | h im foode, him foode , besides then beinge all in calf for |
the most p ar te they will through much chasing | the most p ar te they will through much chasing |
and dryving , and dryving, cast all theire calues and loose | and dryving, and dryving , cast all theire calues and loose |
all theire milke , w hi ch milke, wch should releiue him the | all theire milke, wch milke , w hi ch should releiue him the |
nexte somer after : som m er after: | nexte som m er after: somer after : |
Eudox: Eudox : I doe | Eudox : Eudox: I doe |
Folio 65r 65r; written "64" | 65r; written "64" Folio 65r |
64 Eudox . I doe well vnderstand yor reason but by | Eudox . I doe well vnderstand yor reason but by 64 |
Eudox: I doe well vnderstand yo u r reason but by | Eudox: I doe well vnderstand yo u r reason but by |
your leaue I haue heard yt otherwise said of some | your leaue I haue heard yt otherwise said of some |
that weare owtlawes , owtlawes, that in somer they kept | that weare owtlawes, owtlawes , that in somer they kept |
them selues quiet , quiet, but in wynter they would | them selues quiet, quiet , but in wynter they would |
playe their theire p ar tes , tes, and when they the nightes were | playe theire their p ar tes, tes , and when the they nightes were |
longest then burne and spoyle most so that they | longest then burne and spoyle most so that they |
might safelie saifelie returne before daye : be fore daye:: | might saifelie safelie returne be fore daye:: before daye : |
Iren: I haue likewise heard and likewise sene | Iren: I haue likewise heard and likewise sene |
proof thereof trewe , trewe, but that was of such | proof thereof trewe, trewe , but that was of such |
owtlawes as was eyther abydinge in well | owtlawes as was eyther abydinge in well |
inhabited countries , countries, as in Mounster all bordringe | inhabited countries, countries , as in Mounster all bordringe |
to the Englishe pale , pale, as Pheah mac Hugh , the Ma c Hugh, the | to the Englishe pale, pale , as Pheah Ma c Hugh, the mac Hugh , the |
Cavanaghes , the Mores , Cavanaghes, the Mores, the Dempses the ~~ -- | Cavanaghes, the Mores, Cavanaghes , the Mores , the Dempses the -- ~~ |
Ketinges , Ketinges, the Kellies or such like : ffor like: For for them | Ketinges, Ketinges , the Kellies or such like: For like : ffor for them |
in deed the night is the fyttest tyme for | in deed the night is the fyttest tyme for |
spoylinge and robbinge because , because, the nightes are | spoylinge and robbinge because, because , the nightes are |
then as yee said longest and darkest , and darkest, and | then as yee said longest and darkest, and darkest , and |
also the Countries all about are then fullest | also the Countries all about are then fullest |
of Corne and good provision to bee eu er ie where | of Corne and good provision to bee eu er ie where |
gotten by them , them, But yt is farr otherwise w i th wth | gotten by them, them , But yt is farr otherwise wth w i th |
a stronge peopled enemye , enemye, that possesse a | a stronge peopled enemye, enemye , that possesse a |
whole Countrie : ffor thither Countrie: For thother beinge but a fewe | whole Countrie: For thother Countrie : ffor thither beinge but a fewe |
are indeed privilie lodged and kept in out | are indeed privilie lodged and kept in out |
villages and Corners nigh the woodes and | villages and Corners nigh the woodes and |
mountaines by some theire privie friendes frindes to whom | mountaines by some theire privie frindes friendes to whom |
they bringe theire spoiles and stealthes , and stealthes, and | they bringe theire spoiles and stealthes, and stealthes , and |
of whom the contynewallie receyve secrete | of whom the contynewallie receyve secrete |
releif , releif, but the open enemie havinge all his | releif, releif , but the open enemie havinge all his |
Countrie wasted , wasted, what by him and what by | Countrie wasted, wasted , what by him and what by |
the soldyer findeth them then succor in noe place , place, | the soldyer findeth then them succor in noe place, place , |
Townes | Townes |
Folio 65v | Folio 65v |
Townes there are none of w hi ch wch he maye get spoyle , yet spoyle, | Townes there are none of wch w hi ch he maye yet spoyle, get spoyle , |
they are all burte burte, Countryes howses and farm er s | they are all burte, burte Countryes howses and farm er s |
there are none , none, they bee all fledd , fledd, breed he hath | there are none, none , they bee all fledd, fledd , breed he hath |
none he plowed not in som er , fleshe he hath , hath, but | none he plowed not in som er , fleshe he hath, hath , but |
yf he kyll yt in winter he shall want milke | yf he kyll yt in winter he shall want milke |
in somer , som m er, Therefore yf they bee well followed | in som m er, somer , Therefore yf they bee well followed |
but one winter heye he ye shall want milke in somer | but one winter he ye heye shall want milke in somer |
haue lyttle worke w i th wth them in the next ^ next som er mer | haue lyttle worke wth w i th them in the next next ^ som mer er |
Eudox: I doe d oe nowe well p er ceaue the difference , difference, and | Eudox: I d oe doe nowe well p er ceaue the difference, difference , and |
doe verelie thincke that the winter tyme is theire | doe verelie thincke that the winter tyme is theire |
fyttest for service , w i th all service, wthall I p er ceaue the mannor | fyttest for service, wthall service , w i th all I p er ceaue the mannor |
of yo u r yor handlinge thofefthee those thee servyces by drawinge sudden | of yor yo u r handlinge those thee thofefthee servyces by drawinge sudden |
draughtes vpon the enemye when he loketh lokeths not | draughtes vpon the enemye when he lokeths loketh not |
for yow , yow, and to watch advantages vpon him as he doth | for yow, yow , and to watch advantages vpon him as he doth |
vpon yow by w hi ch wch straight keping of them in and | vpon yow by wch w hi ch straight keping of them in and |
not suffringe them longe at any tyme to rest , rest, | not suffringe them longe at any tyme to rest, rest , |
I must needes thincke that they will soone bee | I must needes thincke that they will soone bee |
brought lowe and dryven to great extreamities : extreamities: | brought lowe and dryven to great extreamities: extreamities : |
All w hi ch wch when yow haue p er formed and brought | All wch w hi ch when yow haue p er formed and brought |
them to the verie last cast , suppose cast, suppose, that | them to the verie last cast, suppose, cast , suppose that |
eyther they will offer to come in vnto yow , yow, and | eyther they will offer to come in vnto yow, yow , and |
submitte them selues , selues, or that some of them will | submitte them selues, selues , or that some of them will |
seeke to w i th wth drawe them selues , selues, what is yo u r yor | seeke to wth w i th drawe them selues, selues , what is yor yo u r |
aduise to doe , doe, will yow haue them receyved : receyved: | aduise to doe, doe , will yow haue them receyved: receyved : |
Iren: Noe , Noe, but at the begynninge of these warrs warrs, | Iren: Noe, Noe , but at the begynninge of these warrs, warrs |
and when the garrisons are well planted and | and when the garrisons are well planted and |
fortefyed , fortefyed, I would wishe a proclamacon proclamac i on weare | fortefyed, fortefyed , I would wishe a proclamac i on proclamacon weare |
made gen er allie to come to theire knowledge | made gen er allie to come to theire knowledge |
that what | that what |
Folio 66r 66r; written "65" | 66r; written "65" Folio 66r |
65 that what p er sons soever would wth in twentye | that what p er sons soever would wth in twentye 65 |
that what p er sons soever would w i th in twentye dayes absolutelie, submite them selues, excepting | dayes absolutelie, submite them selues, excepting that what p er sons soever would w i th in twentye |
dayes absolutelie , submite them selues excepting onelye the verie princypall and Ringleaders, | onelye the verie princypall and Ringleaders, dayes absolutelie , submite them selues excepting |
onelye the verie princypall and Ringleaders , should fynde grace, I doubte not but vpon | should fynde grace, I doubte not but vpon onelye the verie princypall and Ringleaders , |
should fynde grace , I doubte not but vpon the settinge setlinge of these garrissons, such a | the settinge setlinge of these garrissons, such a should fynde grace , I doubte not but vpon |
the settingesetlinge of these garrissons , such a | the settingesetlinge of these garrissons , such a |
terror and nere consideracon of theire | terror and nere consideracon of theire |
p er illous estate estate, wilbee stricken into most | p er illous estate, estate wilbee stricken into most |
of them , them, that they will covet to drawe a | of them, them , that they will covet to drawe a |
waye from theire Leaders Leaders: And againe I | waye from theire Leaders: Leaders And againe I |
well knowe that the rebells them selues themselues, (as | well knowe that the rebells themselues, them selues (as |
I sawe by proof in the Desmondes warrs ) warrs) | I sawe by proof in the Desmondes warrs) warrs ) |
will turne awaye all theyre raskall people | will turne awaye all theyre raskall people |
whom they thincke vnseruiceable , vnseruiceable) as ould men | whom they thincke vnseruiceable) vnseruiceable , as ould men |
weomen Children and hyndes , w hi ch hyndes, wch they call | weomen Children and hyndes, wch hyndes , w hi ch they call |
Churles , w hi ch Churles, wch would onelie waste theire | Churles, wch Churles , w hi ch would onelie waste theire |
victualls , victualls, and yeild them noe ayde but theire | victualls, victualls , and yeild them noe ayde but theire |
cattle , cattle, they will surelye surely kepe awaye awaye: | cattle, cattle , they will surely surelye kepe awaye: awaye |
These therefore though pollycie would ~~ -- | These therefore though pollycie would -- ~~ |
turne them backe againe that they might | turne them backe againe that they might |
the rather consume and effecte afflicte the | the rather consume and effecte afflicte the |
other rebells rebells, yett in a pittifull Comisseration | other rebells, rebells yett in a pittifull Comisseration |
I would wishe them to bee receyved the rather | I would wishe them to bee receyved the rather |
for that this base sorte of people doth not fort for the | for that this base sorte of people doth not for fort the |
most p ar te Rebell of him self , self, havinge noe harte | most p ar te Rebell of him self, self , havinge noe harte |
therevnto , therevnto, but is of force force, drawne by the gr..d grand | therevnto, therevnto , but is of force, force drawne by the grand gr..d |
grand Rebells into theire action , action, and carried | grand Rebells into theire action, action , and carried |
awaye w i th wth the violence of the streme , streame, ells | awaye wth w i th the violence of the streame, streme , ells |
he should bee sure to loose all that he hath | he should bee sure to loose all that he hath |
and p er happs | and p er happs |
Folio 66v | Folio 66v |
and p er happs his life also , also, the w hi ch wch now he carrieth w i th wth them in hope to to.. | and p er happs his life also, also , the wch w hi ch now he carrieth wth w i th them in hope to.. to |
enioye them there, but he is thereby there , by the stronge Rebells them selues sone themselues soone | enioye them there, there by , but he is thereby the stronge Rebells themselues soone them selues sone |
turned out of all , all, so that the constrant hereof maye in him deser ve deserue | turned out of all, all , so that the constrant hereof maye in him deserue deser ve |
p ar don , don, likewise yf any of there able men or gent lemen , shall then offer | p ar don, don , likewise yf any of there able men or gent lemen , shall then offer |
to come awaye and to bringe there Creete w i th them , wth them, as some | to come awaye and to bringe there Creete wth them, w i th them , as some |
noe doubte maye steale them awaye p ri vilie I wish them | noe doubte maye steale them awaye p ri vilie I wish them |
also to bee dishabled receyved for the dishablinge of the Enymie Enymie: | also to bee dishabled receyved for the dishablinge of the Enymie: Enymie |
But w i th all wthall that good assurance maye bee taken for theire | But wthall w i th all that good assurance maye bee taken for theire |
trewe behavyor and absolute submission , submission, and that they the n then | trewe behavyor and absolute submission, submission , and that they then the n |
bee not suffred to remaine any longer in those p ar tes , tes, noe nor | bee not suffred to remaine any longer in those p ar tes, tes , noe nor |
aboute the garrison , aboutes the garrison, but sent awaye into the Inner p ar tes of | aboutes the garrison, aboute the garrison , but sent awaye into the Inner p ar tes of |
the Realme and disp er sed in such sorte as they shall not come | the Realme and disp er sed in such sorte as they shall not come |
togeather togeather, nor easelie returne yf they would , ffor yf they would, For yf they | togeather, togeather nor easelie returne yf they would, For yf they would , ffor yf they |
might bee suffred to remaine aboute the garrison garrison, and there | might bee suffred to remaine aboute the garrison, garrison and there |
inhabite as they will offer : offer: and of to till the ground and | inhabite as they will offer: offer : and of to till the ground and |
yeild a greate agreate p ar te of the p ro fitte thereof , thereof, and of their there Cattell | yeild agreate a greate p ar te of the p ro fitte thereof, thereof , and of there their Cattell |
to the Corronell wherew i th wherewth they haue heretofore tempted manie | to the Corronell wherewth wherew i th they haue heretofore tempted manie |
they would (as I haue by experience knowen ) knowen) bee everr after | they would (as I haue by experience knowen) knowen ) bee everr after |
such a gall and inconvenience to them , them, as that there p er ro fitte | such a gall and inconvenience to them, them , as that there p ro er fitte |
should not recompence there harte , hurte, for they will p ri vilie | should not recompence there hurte, harte , for they will p ri vilie |
releive there frindes that are forth forth, they will send the Ene mie enemy | releive there frindes that are forth, forth they will send the enemy Ene mie |
secrete advertism advertisem en t of all there purposes & Iorneys w hi ch wch they | secrete advertisem advertism en t of all there purposes & Iorneys wch w hi ch they |
meane to make vpon them , them, they will also not sticke to dra we draw e | meane to make vpon them, them , they will also not sticke to draw e dra we |
the enemye vpon them , them, yee and to betraye the forte yt | the enemye vpon them, them , yee and to betraye the forte yt |
self , self, by discoverie of all the defectes and disadvantages | self, self , by discoverie of all the defectes and disadvantages |
yf any bee , bee, to the Cuttinge of all there throtes : ffor throtes: For | yf any bee, bee , to the Cuttinge of all there throtes: For throtes : ffor |
avoydinge whereof and many other inconveniences , inconveniences, I wish | avoydinge whereof and many other inconveniences, inconveniences , I wish |
t y theye should bee carried farr from thence into some other | þ a t y theye should bee carried farr from thence into some other |
p ar tes , tes, so that as I said they come and submitt themselues them selues | p ar tes, tes , so that as I said they come and submitt them selues themselues |
vpon the first sommons , sommons, but afterwardes I would haue none | vpon the first sommons, sommons , but afterwardes I would haue none |
receyved , receyved, but lefte to theire fortune and miserable ende , ende, my | receyved, receyved , but lefte to theire fortune and miserable ende, ende , my |
reason as : i th out s: for that those w hi ch afterwardes , wch afterwardes, remaine w wthout | reason as : for that those wch afterwardes, w hi ch afterwardes , remaine wthout w i s: th out |
are stoute and obstynate Rebells , Rebells, such as will never bee | are stoute and obstynate Rebells, Rebells , such as will never bee |
made duetifull and obedyent , nor obedyent, not brought to labor , labor, or civ ill civill | made duetifull and obedyent, not obedyent , nor brought to labor, labor , or civill civ ill |
Conversacion | Conversacion |
Folio 67r 67r; written "66" | 67r; written "66" Folio 67r |
66 conversac i on, havinge once tasted the lycensius lyfe, and beinge | conversac i on, havinge once tasted the lycensius lyfe, and beinge 66 |
conversacon , havinge once tasted the lycensius lyfe , acquainted wth spoyle and beinge outrages, will neu er after bee redy | acquainted wth spoyle conversacon , havinge once tasted the lycensius lyfe , and outrages, will neu er after bee redy beinge |
after bee redy for the like occasions, so as theire is noe hope of theire | acquainted w i th spoyle and outrages , will neu er after for the like occasions, so as theire is noe hope of theire bee redy |
a ster for the like occasions ; so as theire is noe hope of theire amendement or recou er ye, and there full needfull to bee cutt of: | amendement or recou er ye, and there full needfull to bee cutt of: a ster for the like occasions ; so as theire is noe hope of theire |
amendement or recou er ye , and there full needfull to bee cutt of : | amendement or recou er ye , and there full needfull to bee cutt of : |
Eudox: Surelie of such desp er ate p er sons as willfullie followe | Eudox: Surelie of such desp er ate p er sons as willfullie followe |
the course of there owne follye , follye, there is no compassion | the course of there owne follye, follye , there is no compassion |
to bee had , had, and for the others yee haue proposed a mercifull meanes meanes, | to bee had, had , and for the others yee haue proposed a mercifull meanes, meanes |
much more then they haue deserued , deserued, but what shalbe the | much more then they haue deserued, deserued , but what shalbe the |
conclusion of this warr , warr, for yow haue p re fixed a shorte tyme | conclusion of this warr, warr , for yow haue p re fixed a shorte tyme |
of theire contynewance : : contynewance:: | of theire contynewance:: contynewance : : |
Iren: The end I assure mee will bee verie shorte and much | Iren: The end I assure mee will bee verie shorte and much |
soner then can bee in so great a trouble atrouble (as yt semeth hoped | soner then can bee in so great atrouble a trouble (as yt semeth hoped |
for ) for. Although there should none of them them, fall by the | for. for ) Although there should none of them, them fall by the |
sworde , sworde, nor be slaine by the soldyer , soldyer, yet thus beinge kepte | sworde, sworde , nor be slaine by the soldyer, soldyer , yet thus beinge kepte |
from manvrance from manvrance, and there cattle from runninge abroad | from manvrance, from manvrance and there cattle from runninge abroad |
by this hard restrainte they would quicklie consume them | by this hard restrainte they would quicklie consume them |
selues and devoure one another , another, Thee proof whereof I | selues and devoure one another, another , Thee proof whereof I |
sawe suffycientlie ensampled in those late warrs in | sawe suffycientlie ensampled in those late warrs in |
Mounster , Mounster, for not w i th wth standinge that the same was a most | Mounster, Mounster , for not wth w i th standinge that the same was a most |
ritch and plentifull Countrye , Countrye, full of Corne and Cattell | ritch and plentifull Countrye, Countrye , full of Corne and Cattell |
that yow would haue thought they would haue bene | that yow would haue thought they would haue bene |
hable to stande longe , longe, yett err one yeare and a half , half, they | hable to stande longe, longe , yett err one yeare and a half, half , they |
were brought to such wretchednes , wretchednes, as that any stonie harte | were brought to such wretchednes, wretchednes , as that any stonie harte |
would haue rewed the same , same, out of eu er ie Corner of the | would haue rewed the same, same , out of eu er ie Corner of the |
woodes & glenes glenns they came crepinge forth vpon theire | woodes & glenns glenes they came crepinge forth vpon theire |
hands handes, for theire legges legges, could not beare them , them, out of eu er ye | handes, hands for theire legges, legges could not beare them, them , out of eu er ye |
corn er of the woodes they looked Anotomies of death , they death, they | corn er of the woodes they looked Anotomies of death, they death , they |
speake spake like ghostes cryinge out of theire graues , graues, they | spake speake like ghostes cryinge out of theire graues, graues , they |
did eate of the ded Carrions , dead Carrions, happye were they | did eate of the dead Carrions, ded Carrions , happye were they |
could fynde them , them, yea and one another soone after | could fynde them, them , yea and one another soone after |
in so much as the verie Carcases they spared not to ~ - | in so much as the verie Carcases they spared not to - ~ |
scrape out of theire graues , graues, And yf they founde | scrape out of theire graues, graues , And yf they founde |
a plott of watercresses or shamrocke , shamrockes, they they flocked as | a plott of watercresses or shamrockes, shamrocke , they they flocked as |
to a feast : | to a feast : |
Folio 67v | Folio 67v |
for to a feast for the tyme , tyme, yet not able longe to contynewe | for to a feast for the tyme, tyme , yet not able longe to contynewe |
therew i th all , therewthall, that in shorte space there were more and most none almost left | therewthall, therew i th all , that in shorte space there were none almost more and most left |
and a most populous and plentyfull Countrye suddenlie lefte | and a most populous and plentyfull Countrye suddenlie lefte |
voyde of man or beast , beast, yet sure in all that warr there | voyde of man or beast, beast , yet sure in all that warr there |
p er ished not manye by the sworde , sworde, but all by the extremitye | p er ished not manye by the sworde, sworde , but all by the extremitye |
of famyne w hi ch famyne, wch they them selues had wrought :: wrought:: | of famyne, wch famyne w hi ch they them selues had wrought:: wrought :: |
Eudox: Yt is wonder þ a y t yow tell , tell, and more to be woundred | Eudox: Yt is wonder y þ a t yow tell, tell , and more to be woundred |
how yt should come to passe : passe: | how yt should come to passe: passe : |
Iren: It is most true , true, and the reason also verye readye readye: for | Iren: It is most true, true , and the reason also verye readye: readye for |
yee must conceyve that the strength of all that Nation is | yee must conceyve that the strength of all that Nation is |
the Kearne Gallowglasse , Stocagh Kearne, Gallowglasse, Stocagh, horsman and horseboy , horseboy, | the Kearne, Gallowglasse, Stocagh, Kearne Gallowglasse , Stocagh horsman and horseboy, horseboy , |
the w hi ch wch havinge bene neu er vsed to haue any theinge thinge of theire | the wch w hi ch havinge bene neu er vsed to haue any thinge theinge of theire |
owne , owne, and now lyvinge vpon spoyle of others , others, make noe | owne, owne , and now lyvinge vpon spoyle of others, others , make noe |
spare of any thinge , thinge, but havocke and confusyon of all | spare of any thinge, thinge , but havocke and confusyon of all |
they meete w i th , whether wth, whether, yt bee theire owne frindes good goodes | they meete wth, whether, w i th , whether yt bee theire owne frindes goodes good |
or theire foes , foes, And yf they happen to gett neu er so great | or theire foes, foes , And yf they happen to gett neu er so great |
spoyles at any tyme the same they spoyle and waste at | spoyles at any tyme the same they spoyle and waste at |
a tryce , atryce, as naturallye delightinge in spoyle , spoyle, though yt | atryce, a tryce , as naturallye delightinge in spoyle, spoyle , though yt |
doe them selues noe good , good, And on theother thother syde what soever | doe them selues noe good, good , And on thother theother syde what soever |
they leaue vnspent , vnspent, the soldyer when he comethe there | they leaue vnspent, vnspent , the soldyer when he comethe there |
he havokethe and spoylethe lykewise , lykewise, so that betwene | he havokethe and spoylethe lykewise, lykewise , so that betwene |
them both nothinge is verie shortlie left , left, And yet this | them both nothinge is verie shortlie left, left , And yet this |
is verie necessarie to bee done , done, for the soone fyni | is verie necessarie to bee done, done , for the soone fyni |
shinge of the warr , warr, And not onelye this in this wyse | shinge of the warr, warr , And not onelye this in this wyse |
but also all those subiectes w hi ch wch border vpon those p ar tes | but also all those subiectes wch w hi ch border vpon those p ar tes |
are eyther to bee removed and drawen awaye or ~ - | are eyther to bee removed and drawen awaye or - ~ |
lykewise to bee spoyled , spoyled, that the enemye may | lykewise to bee spoyled, spoyled , that the enemye may |
fynde noe succor thereby , thereby, for what the | fynde noe succor thereby, thereby , for what the |
Soldyer spares the Rebell wyll surely | Soldyer spares the Rebell wyll surely |
surely surelye spoyle | surelye surely spoyle |
Eudox: Eudox:: I doe | Eudox:: Eudox: I doe |
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67 warr and not onelie this in this wise, but also all these | warr and not onelie this in this wise, but also all these 67 |
warr and not onelie this in this wise , but also all these subiectes wch border vpon those p ar tes are eyther to bee remoued | subiectes wch border vpon those p ar tes are eyther to bee remoued warr and not onelie this in this wise , but also all these |
subiectes w hi ch border vpon those p ar tes are eyther and drawne awaye, or lykewise to bee remoued spoyled, that the | and drawne awaye, or lykewise subiectes w hi ch border vpon those p ar tes are eyther to bee spoyled, that the remoued |
and drawne awaye or lyke wise to bee spoyled that Enemye maye fynde noe succor thereby, for what the | Enemye maye fynde noe succor thereby, for what and drawne awaye or lyke wise to bee spoyled that the |
Enemye maye fynde noe succor thereby for what soldyer spares, the Rebell will surelie spoyle: | soldyer spares, Enemye maye fynde noe succor thereby for what the Rebell will surelie spoyle: |
soldyer spares , the Rebell will surelie spoyle: Eudox: I doe now well vnderstande yow But now when | Eudox: I doe now well vnderstande yow But now when soldyer spares , the Rebell will surelie spoyle: |
Eudox : I doe now well vnderstand yow But now when all thinges are brought to this passe, and all - | all thinges are brought to this passe, and all - Eudox : I doe now well vnderstand yow But now when |
all thinges are brought to this passe , and all ~ fylled wth these ruefull spectacles, of so manye | fylled wth these ruefull spectacles, of so manye all thinges are brought to this passe , and all ~ |
fylled w i th the . willfull spectacles of so mannye wretched carcases, starvinge goodlie Countries, | wretched carcases, starvinge goodlie Countries, fylled w i th the . willfull spectacles of so mannye |
wretched carcases , starvinge goodlie Countries , wasted so Huge a desolacon, and confusion, as even | wasted so Huge a desolacon, and confusion, as even wretched carcases , starvinge goodlie Countries , |
wasted so huge a desolacon I that doe but heare yt from yow and confusion , as even doe picture yt | I that doe but heare yt from yow wasted so huge a desolacon and doe picture yt confusion , as even |
I that doe but heare yt from yow in my mynde, doe greatlie pittie and doe picture yt comisserate | in my mynde, doe greatlie pittie I that doe but heare yt from yow and comisserate doe picture yt |
in my mynde doe greatelie pittie and comisserate itt, yf yt shall happen that the state of this miserie | itt, yf yt shall happen that the state of this miserie in my mynde doe greatelie pittie and comisserate |
itt , yf yt shall happen that the state and, and lamentable image of this miserie thinges shalbe told | and, and lamentable image itt , yf yt shall happen that the state of thinges shalbe told this miserie |
and and lamentable image of thinges shalbe told and felingelie p re sented to her sacred ma jes tie , beinge | and felingelie p re sented to her sacred ma jes tie , beinge and and lamentable image of thinges shalbe told |
by nature full of m er cie, and felingelie p re sented to her sacred ma jes tie beinge clemencye, who is | and clemencye, who is felingelie p re sented to her sacred ma jes tie beinge |
by nature full of m er cie most inclynable to such pittyfull complaintes, and clemencie , who is | most inclynable to such pittyfull complaintes, by nature full of m er cie and clemencie , who is |
most inclynable to such pittyfull complaintes , and | most inclynable to such pittyfull complaintes , and |
will not endure to heare such Tragedyes made | will not endure to heare such Tragedyes made |
of her people and poore subiectes , subiectes, as some about | of her people and poore subiectes, subiectes , as some about |
her maie insynuate , insynuate, then shee perhapps p er happs for verie | her maie insynuate, insynuate , then shee p er happs perhapps for verie |
compassion of such calamities Calamities, will not onelie stopp | compassion of such Calamities, calamities will not onelie stopp |
the streame of such vyolence , vyolence, and retourne to her | the streame of such vyolence, vyolence , and retourne to her |
wonted myldnes , wounted myldnes, but also con them lyttle thankes | wounted myldnes, wonted myldnes , but also con them lyttle thankes |
w hi ch wch haue bene the aucthors and Counsellors of such | wch w hi ch haue bene the aucthors and Counsellors of such |
bloodye platformes : platformes: So I remember yt in the late | bloodye platformes: platformes : So I remember yt in the late |
gou er ern m en t of that good Lord Graye , Lord, Graye, where after longe | gou ern er m en t of that good Lord, Graye, Lord Graye , where after longe |
travell , travell, and manye p er illous assayes he had | travell, travell , and manye p er illous assayes he had |
brought thinges almost to this passe that yee | brought thinges almost to this passe that yee |
speeke of, that yt was even made readye for | speeke of, that yt was even made readye for |
reformacon reformac i on, and might haue bene brought to what | reformac i on, reformacon and might haue bene brought to what |
her ma jes tie would , would, lyke complainte was made | her ma jes tie would, would , lyke complainte was made |
against him , him, that he was a bloodye man abloodye man: | against him, him , that he was abloodye man: a bloodye man |
and | and |
Folio 68v | Folio 68v |
and regarded not the lyfe of her subiectes , subiectes, noe more | and regarded not the lyfe of her subiectes, subiectes , noe more |
then dogges , dogges, but had wasted and consumed all , all, so as now | then dogges, dogges , but had wasted and consumed all, all , so as now |
shee had nothing lefte but to raigne in theire Ashes : Ashes: | shee had nothing lefte but to raigne in theire Ashes: Ashes : |
Eare , Eare, was soone lente therevnto , therevnto, all suddenlie turned | Eare, Eare , was soone lente therevnto, therevnto , all suddenlie turned |
topsye turvye , he turvye, He noble Lord eftsoones eftesoones was blamed blamed, | topsye turvye, He turvye , he noble Lord eftesoones eftsoones was blamed, blamed |
the wretched people pittied , pittied, and newe Counsells | the wretched people pittied, pittied , and newe Counsells |
plotted , plotted, in w hi ch wch yt was concluded that a gen agen er all pardon | plotted, plotted , in wch w hi ch yt was concluded that agen a gen er all pardon |
should bee sente over ^ to all that would accepte of yt yt: | should bee sente over ^ to all that would accepte of yt: yt |
vpon w hi ch wch all form er purposes were blanked , blanked, the gou er nor | vpon wch w hi ch all form er purposes were blanked, blanked , the gou er nor |
at abaye , abaye, and not onelie all that greate and long | at abaye, abaye , and not onelie all that greate and long |
charge w hi ch wch shee had before bene at quite lost and | charge wch w hi ch shee had before bene at quite lost and |
cancelled , cancelled, but also all that hope of good w hi ch wch | cancelled, cancelled , but also all that hope of good wch w hi ch |
was even ^ at the dore putt backe at the and cleane frustra te frustrate | was even ^ at the dore putt backe at the and cleane frustrate frustra te |
All w hi ch wch whether yt bee trewe or noe yo u r yor | All wch w hi ch whether yt bee trewe or noe yor yo u r |
self can well tell : | self can well tell : |
Iren: To trewe Eudox: Eudox : ffor the more the pittie pittie: For I | Iren: To trewe Eudox Eudox: the more the pittie: For pittie : ffor I |
maye not forgett so memorable a thinge , thinge, neyther can | maye not forgett so memorable a thinge, thinge , neyther can |
I be ignorante of that p er illous deuise . and of the | I be ignorante of that p er illous deuise . and of the |
whole meanes by w hi ch wch yt was compassed , compassed, and verie | whole meanes by wch w hi ch yt was compassed, compassed , and verie |
Cvnningelie contriued , contriued, by sowinge first dyssension | Cvnningelie contriued, contriued , by sowinge first dyssension |
betwene him and another noble p er sonage , sonage, wherein | betwene him and another noble p er sonage, sonage , wherein |
they both at length found , found, how notablie they had | they both at length found, found , how notablie they had |
bene absued , abused, and how thereby vnderhand , vnderhand, this vni | bene abused, absued , and how thereby vnderhand, vnderhand , this vni |
u er sall alteracyon of thinges was brought about , about, | u er sall alteracyon of thinges was brought about, about , |
But then to late to staye the same : ffor same: For in the | But then to late to staye the same: For same : ffor in the |
meane tyme all that was form er lie doon w i th doen wth | meane tyme all that was form er lie doen wth doon w i th |
longe labour and greate toyle was (as yow say) saye | longe labour and greate toyle was (as yow saye say) |
in a moment vndone , vndone, and that good Lo: blotted | in a moment vndone, vndone , and that good Lo: blotted |
w i th wth the name of a bloodye man , abloodye man, whom who | wth w i th the name of abloodye man, a bloodye man , whom who |
that well knowe , knewe, knewe to bee most gentle , gentle, | that well knewe, knowe , knewe to bee most gentle, gentle , |
affable lovinge and temp er ate , ate, But that the | affable lovinge and temp er ate, ate , But that the |
necessitie of that p re sent state of thinges | necessitie of that p re sent state of thinges |
enforced | enforced |
Folio 69r 69r; written "68" | 69r; written "68" Folio 69r |
68 enforced him to that violence, and almost changed | enforced him to that violence, and almost changed 68 |
enforced him to that violence , and almost changed his verie naturall disposition, but otherwise | his verie naturall disposition, but otherwise enforced him to that violence , and almost changed |
his verie naturall disposition , but otherwise he was so farr from delightinge in blood, that often | he was so farr from delightinge in blood, that often his verie naturall disposition , but otherwise |
he was so farr from delightinge in blood , that often | he was so farr from delightinge in blood , that often |
tymes he suffred not iust vengeance to fall where | tymes he suffred not iust vengeance to fall where |
yt was deserued , deserued, and even some of those w hi ch wch were | yt was deserued, deserued , and even some of those wch w hi ch were |
aftorwardes his accusers . afterwardes his accusers. But his coarse course in | afterwardes his accusers. aftorwardes his accusers . But his course coarse in |
deed . OB was this that he spared not heades and | deed OB . was this that he spared not heades and |
princypalls of any mischevous practize or rebellion rebellion, | princypalls of any mischevous practize or rebellion, rebellion |
but shewed showed sharpe iudgment on them , cheiflie them, cheiflie, for | but showed shewed sharpe iudgment on them, cheiflie, them , cheiflie for |
ensample sake , sake, that all the meaner sort , w hi ch sorte, wch | ensample sake, sake , that all the meaner sorte, wch sort , w hi ch |
also were then gen er allye infected w i th wth that evill | also were then gen er allye infected wth w i th that evill |
might by terror thereof bee reclamed and saved saved, | might by terror thereof bee reclamed and saved, saved |
yf yt were manye more guiltie then that felt | yf yt were manye more guiltie then that felt |
the punishment , punishment, or was there any almost cleare | the punishment, punishment , or was there any almost cleare |
from the same , same, yet he touched onelye a fewe of | from the same, same , yet he touched onelye a fewe of |
specyall note , note, and in the tryall of them also even | specyall note, note , and in the tryall of them also even |
to p re vent the blame of creltie crueltie and parciall partiall | to p re vent the blame of crueltie creltie and partiall parciall |
p ro cedinge , cedinge, as sekinge theire bloode , w hi ch bloode, wch hee in his | p ro cedinge, cedinge , as sekinge theire bloode, wch bloode , w hi ch hee in his |
greate wisdome wisdome, (as yt semeth ) semeth) did foresee | greate wisdome, wisdome (as yt semeth) semeth ) did foresee |
would bee obiected against him , him, he for avoyding | would bee obiected against him, him , he for avoyding |
thereof did vse a singuler discression discr OB e ssion and regarde | thereof did vse a singuler discr OB e ssion discression and regarde |
for the Iurie that went vpon theire tryall , tryall, he ~ - | for the Iurie that went vpon theire tryall, tryall , he - ~ |
made to bee chosen out of theire nearest kynsmen kynsmen, | made to bee chosen out of theire nearest kynsmen, kynsmen |
and theire Iudges he made , fo made, of some theire ~ - | and theire Iudges he made, of made , fo some theire - ~ |
owne fathers fathers, of others their vncles , theire vncles, and | owne fathers, fathers of others theire vncles, their vncles , and |
dearest freindes freindes, who when they could not | dearest freindes, freindes who when they could not |
but iustlie condempne condemp ne e them , them, yett vttered theire | but iustlie condemp ne condempne e them, them , yett vttered theire |
Iudgm en t in aboundance of teares , teares, and yet he | Iudgm en t in aboundance of teares, teares , and yet he |
even herein was counted bloodye and Crewell Crewell: | even herein was counted bloodye and Crewell: Crewell |
Eudox: Indeed so haue I harde yt often so spoken | Eudox: Indeed so haue I harde yt often so spoken |
and I p er ceaue (as I thincke alwaies verelie | and I p er ceaue (as I thincke alwaies verelie |
thought | thought |
Folio 69v | Folio 69v |
thought ) thought) that yt was most vniustlie : ffor vniustlie: For he was | thought) thought ) that yt was most vniustlie: For vniustlie : ffor he was |
alwayes knowen to bee a most iust sincere godlie and | alwayes knowen to bee a most iust sincere godlie and |
right noble man , f..r man, f OB far from such stern stearnesse , far stearnesse, far | right noble man, f OB man , f..r far from such stern stearnesse, far stearnesse , far |
from such vnrighteousnes , vnrighteousnes, But in that sharpe | from such vnrighteousnes, vnrighteousnes , But in that sharpe |
execution of the Spanyardes at the forte | execution of the Spanyardes at the forte |
of Senawicke , Senawicke, I heard yt specialtie noted , speciallie noted, and | of Senawicke, Senawicke , I heard yt speciallie noted, specialtie noted , and |
yf yt were trewe , trewe, as some reported . reported, surelie | yf yt were trewe, trewe , as some reported, reported . surelie |
yt was a great agreat touch to him in honor : ffor honor: For | yt was agreat a great touch to him in honor: For honor : ffor |
some saye that he promised them lyfe , lyfe, others | some saye that he promised them lyfe, lyfe , others |
that at least he did putt them in hope thereof | that at least he did putt them in hope thereof |
Iren: Both the one and the other is most vntrue , vntrue, | Iren: Both the one and the other is most vntrue, vntrue , |
for this I can assure yow , myself yow, my self beinge as | for this I can assure yow, my self yow , myself beinge as |
neare them then as anye anye, that he was so farr from | neare then them as anye, anye that he was so farr from |
promisinge or puttinge in hope hope, that when first | promisinge or puttinge in hope, hope that when first |
theire secretarie called as I remember Segnor | theire secretarie called as I remember Segnor |
Ieffrey an Italian beinge sente to treate w i th wth | Ieffrey an Italian beinge sente to treate wth w i th |
the Lorde deputie for grace , grace, was flatlye | the Lorde deputie for grace, grace , was flatlye |
refused , refuised, and afterwardes theire Coronell | refuised, refused , and afterwardes theire Coronell |
named Don Sebastian Sebastian: came forth to entreate | named Don Sebastian: Sebastian came forth to entreate |
that they might p ar te w i th wth theire armors like | that they might p ar te wth w i th theire armors like |
soldyers at least w i th wth theire lyves lyves, according | soldyers at least wth w i th theire lyves, lyves according |
to the Custome of warr and lawe of nacons nacons, | to the Custome of warr and lawe of nacons, nacons |
yt was strongelie denyed him , him, and told him by | yt was strongelie denyed him, him , and told him by |
the Lord deputie Deputie him self , self, that they could not | the Lord Deputie deputie him self, self , that they could not |
iustlie pleade eyther Custome of warr or law lawe | iustlie pleade eyther Custome of warr or lawe law |
of nations , nations, for that they were not any lawfull | of nations, nations , for that they were not any lawfull |
Enemies , Enemies, and yf they were , were, willed them to shew shewe | Enemies, Enemies , and yf they were, were , willed them to shewe shew |
by what Comission they came thither into ~ - | by what Comission they came thither into - ~ |
Another Princes Dominions , Dominions, to warr , warr, whether | Another Princes Dominions, Dominions , to warr, warr , whether |
from the pope or the King of Spaine , Spaine, or any | from the pope or the King of Spaine, Spaine , or any |
other they then the hen when they said they had not but | other the hen they then when they said they had not but |
were onelie adventurers , adventurers, that came to seeke | were onelie adventurers, adventurers , that came to seeke |
fortune | fortune |
Folio 70r 70r; written "69" | 70r; written "69" Folio 70r |
69 fortune abroad and serue in warrs, amongst the Irish | fortune abroad and serue in warrs, amongst the Irish 69 |
fortune abroad and serue in warrs , amongst the Irish who desyred to entertaine them, yt was then tould | who desyred to entertaine them, yt was then tould fortune abroad and serue in warrs , amongst the Irish |
who desyred to entertaine them , yt was then tould them that the Irishe them selues, as the Earle | them that the Irishe them selues, as the Earle who desyred to entertaine them , yt was then tould |
them that they Irishe them selues , as and John of Desmond wth the Earle rest were noe | and John of Desmond wth them that they Irishe them selues , as the rest were noe Earle |
lawfull Enemies, but rebells and Iohn of Desmond w i th the rest were noe trators, and- | and trators, and- Iohn of Desmond w i th the rest were noe |
lawfull Enemies , but rebells and trators , and ~ there fore they that came to succor them noe better | there fore they that came to succor them noe better lawfull Enemies , but rebells and trators , and ~ |
therefore they that came to succor them noe better then roges and Runnagates, speciallye com m inge | then roges and Runnagates, speciallye com m inge therefore they that came to succor them noe better |
then roges and Runnagates , speciallye cominge wth noe lycence nor Commission from theire owne | wth noe lycence nor Commission from theire owne then roges and Runnagates , speciallye cominge |
w i th noe lycence nor Commission from theire owne Kinge, so as yt should be dishonorable for him in | Kinge, so as yt should be dishonorable for him in w i th noe lycence nor Commission from theire owne |
Kinge , so as yt should be dishonorable for him in | Kinge , so as yt should be dishonorable for him in |
the name of his Quene to Condycon or make | the name of his Quene to Condycon or make |
any treaties w i th tearmes wth such raskalls : raskalls: but leste lefte them | any tearmes wth treaties w i th such raskalls: raskalls : but lefte leste them |
to theire choyce to yeild and submitte them | to theire choyce to yeild and submitte them |
selues or noe , where vpon noe, wherevpon the said Cornoell Coronell | selues or noe, wherevpon noe , where vpon the said Coronell Cornoell |
did absolutelie yeild him self , self, and the sorte forte | did absolutelie yeild him self, self , and the forte sorte |
w i thall therein , wthall therein, and Craved onelye m er cye , w hi ch cye, wch | wthall therein, w i thall therein , and Craved onelye m er cye, wch cye , w hi ch |
yt beinge thought good not to showe them , them, both | yt beinge thought good not to showe them, them , both |
for danger of them selues , selues, yf beinge saved , saved, they | for danger of them selues, selues , yf beinge saved, saved , they |
should afterwardes ioyne w i th wth the Irishe , Irishe, and | should afterwardes ioyne wth w i th the Irishe, Irishe , and |
also for terror of the Irishe Irishe, who were much embold | also for terror of the Irishe, Irishe who were much embold |
ned by those forreine succors , succors, and also putt in hope | ned by those forreine succors, succors , and also putt in hope |
of moe ere longe , longe, theire was noe other waye | of moe ere longe, longe , theire was noe other waye |
but to make that shorte ende of them w hi ch wch was | but to make that shorte ende of them wch w hi ch was |
made , made, Therefore most vntrewlie and malycio | made, made , Therefore most vntrewlie and malycio |
uslie doe these evill tonges backbyte back byte and slander slandor | uslie doe these evill tonges back byte backbyte and slandor slander |
the sacred ashes of that most iust and honorable | the sacred ashes of that most iust and honorable |
p er sonage , sonage, whose least vertue of manye most | p er sonage, sonage , whose least vertue of manye most |
excellent w hi ch wch abounded in his heroicke spirite , spirite, | excellent wch w hi ch abounded in his heroicke spirite, spirite , |
they were never able to aspyer vnto :: a spyer vnto:: | they were never able to a spyer vnto:: aspyer vnto :: |
Eudox Eudox: Trewlie Iren: Iren : I am right gladd to bee | Eudox: Eudox Trewlie Iren : Iren: I am right gladd to bee |
this thus satisfyed by yow in that I haue often heard | thus this satisfyed by yow in that I haue often heard |
questyoned , questyoned, and yett was neu er able till now , now, to | questyoned, questyoned , and yett was neu er able till now, now , to |
choke the mouth of such detractors w i th the wth the | choke the mouth of such detractors wth the w i th the |
certaine | certaine |
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certaine knowledge of theire slanderous vntruthes | certaine knowledge of theire slanderous vntruthes |
Neither is the knowledge thereof in im p er tinent to | Neither is the knowledge thereof im in p er tinent to |
that w hi ch wch wee form er lie had in hand I meane to | that wch w hi ch wee form er lie had in hand I meane to |
the through p er secutinge of that sharpe course w hi ch wch | the through p er secutinge of that sharpe course wch w hi ch |
yee haue sett downe , downe, for the bringinge vnder | yee haue sett downe, downe , for the bringinge vnder |
of those Rebells of Vlster and Connaught and Connaght and | of those Rebells of Vlster and Connaght and Connaught and |
P p re paringe awaye a waye to theire perpetuall reformco reformaco n | p P re paringe a waye awaye to theire perpetuall reformaco reformco n |
least happelie by any such synister suggestyons | least happelie by any such synister suggestyons |
of creweltie , creweltie, and to much blood shedd all the | of creweltie, creweltie , and to much blood shedd all the |
plott might bee over throwen , throwen, and all the rest cost | plott might bee over throwen, throwen , and all the cost rest |
and Labour therein there in employed bee vtterlie lost and | and Labour there in therein employed bee vtterlie lost and |
cast awaye : awaye: | cast awaye: awaye : |
Iren: Yee saye most trewe , trewe, for after that Lorde ~ Lordes - | Iren: Yee saye most trewe, trewe , for after that Lordes - Lorde ~ |
callinge awaye from thence the too lorde Iusticis lordes Iustices | callinge awaye from thence the too lordes Iustices lorde Iusticis |
Contynewed but a while , while, of w hi ch wch the one was | Contynewed but a while, while , of wch w hi ch the one was |
of mynde as yt seamed to haue contynewed in | of mynde as yt seamed to haue contynewed in |
thee footinge of his p re dycessor , dycessor, but that hee | thee footinge of his p re dycessor, dycessor , but that hee |
was curbed and restrayned , restrayned, but the other was | was curbed and restrayned, restrayned , but the other was |
more myldlie disposed , disposed, as was meete for his | more myldlie disposed, disposed , as was meete for his |
profession , profession, and willinge to haue all the woundes | profession, profession , and willinge to haue all the woundes |
of that comon com m on wealth healed and recured , recured, but | of that com m on comon wealth healed and recured, recured , but |
not w i th wth the heade as they should bee , bee, After | not wth w i th the heade as they should bee, bee , After |
whom S i r Iohn Parrott succedinge as yt were | whom S i r Iohn Parrott succedinge as yt were |
into another mans harvest , harvest, found an open waye | into another mans harvest, harvest , found an open waye |
to what course he list the w hi ch wch hee bent into not | to what course he list the wch w hi ch hee bent not into |
to that pointe w hi ch wch the form er gou er nors intended , intended, but | to that pointe wch w hi ch the form er gou er nors intended, intended , but |
rather , rather, quite contrarie as yt were in scorne of | rather, rather , quite contrarie as yt were in scorne of |
the form er , and in a vayne avayne vaunte of his owne - | the form er , and in avayne a vayne vaunte of his owne - |
Counsells w i th wth that w hi ch wch hee was to wilfullie | Counsells wth w i th that wch w hi ch hee was to wilfullie |
carried , carried, for hee did tr t r eade downe and disgrace | carried, carried , for hee did t r tr eade downe and disgrace |
all the | all the |
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70 all the Englishe, and sett vpp and countenance the Irish all | all the Englishe, and sett vpp and countenance the Irish all 70 |
all the Englishe , and sett vpp and countenance the Irish all that he could, whether thinckinge thereby to make them | that he could, whether thinckinge thereby to make them all the Englishe , and sett vpp and countenance the Irish all |
that more tractable and buxome to make them his gou ern ment, wherein he could , whether thinckinge thereby | more tractable and buxome that he could , whether thinckinge thereby to his gou ern ment, wherein make them |
more tractable and buxome to his gou er ment , wherein he thought much amisse, or privilie plottinge some other | thought much amisse, or privilie plottinge some other more tractable and buxome to his gou er ment , wherein he |
thought much amisse , or privilie plottinge some other purposes of his owne, as yt p ar telie afterwardes appeared | purposes of his owne, as yt p ar telie afterwardes appeared thought much amisse , or privilie plottinge some other |
purposes But surelie his owne , as yt p mann er telie afterwardes appeared of gou ern ment could not bee sound nor | But surelie purposes of gou ern ment could not bee sound nor his mann owne , as yt p er telie afterwardes appeared |
But surelie his mann er of gou er ment could not be sound nor holesome, for that realme; beinge so contrarie to the form er : | holesome, for that realme; beinge so contrarie to the form er : But surelie his mann er of gou er ment could not be sound nor |
holesome , for that realme , beinge so contrarie to the form er : | holesome , for that realme , beinge so contrarie to the form er : |
for yt was even as too Phisitions should take one | for yt was even as too Phisitions should take one |
sycke bodye in hand at towe sundrye tymes , tymes, of w hi ch wch | sycke bodye in hand at towe sundrye tymes, tymes , of wch w hi ch |
the form er would minister all thinges meete to purge | the form er would minister all thinges meete to purge |
and kepe vnder the bodye , bodye, thother to pamper and | and kepe vnder the bodye, bodye , thother to pamper and |
strengthen yt , suddenlie againe , againe, whereof what is | strengthen yt , suddenlie againe, againe , whereof what is |
to bee looked for , for, but a most dangerous relapse , relapse, that | to bee looked for, for , but a most dangerous relapse, relapse , that |
w hi ch wch wee now see thorugh through his rule , rule, and the next | wch w hi ch wee now see through thorugh his rule, rule , and the next |
after him , him, happened there vnto , vnto, beinge now more danger | after him, him , happened there vnto, vnto , beinge now more danger |
ouslie sycke then ever before : before: Therefore by all meanes | ouslie sycke then ever before: before : Therefore by all meanes |
yt must be foreseene fore seene and assured that after once entring | yt must be fore seene foreseene and assured that after once entring |
into this course of reformacon , reformacon, there bee aftewardes afterwardes | into this course of reformacon, reformacon , there bee afterwardes aftewardes |
noe remorse or drawinge backe , backe, for the sight of | noe remorse or drawinge backe, backe , for the sight of |
any such ruefull obiect as must therevpon follow | any such ruefull obiect as must therevpon follow |
nor for Compassion of theire Calamities seinge that | nor for Compassion of theire Calamities seinge that |
by noe other meanes meanes, yt is possible to recure them | by noe other meanes, meanes yt is possible to recure them |
and that these are not of will , will, but of verie | and that these are not of will, will , but of verie |
vrgent necessitie : necessitie: | vrgent necessitie: necessitie : |
Eudox: Thus farr then yee haue now p ro ceded to plant | Eudox: Thus farr then yee haue now p ro ceded to plant |
yo u r garrisons , yor garrisons, and to dyrecte theire servyces , servyces, of | yor garrisons, yo u r garrisons , and to dyrecte theire servyces, servyces , of |
the w hi ch wch neverthelesse I must needes conceyve that | the wch w hi ch neverthelesse I must needes conceyve that |
theire cannot bee any certaine dyrections sett | theire cannot bee any certaine dyrections sett |
downe , downe, so that they must followe the occasions | downe, downe , so that they must followe the occasions |
that shalbe dalie offred , offred, and diligentlye awayted , deligentelye awayted, But | that shalbe dalie offred, offred , and deligentelye awayted, diligentlye awayted , But |
by yo u r yor leaue Iren: not w i th standinge wthstandinge all this yo u r yor carefull | by yor yo u r leaue Iren: not wthstandinge w i th standinge all this yor yo u r carefull |
foresighte and provicon , . provicon, l mee thinckes I see an | foresighte and provicon, l provicon , . mee thinckes I see an |
evill lurke vnespied that maye may chance to hazard all | evill lurke vnespied that may maye chance to hazard all |
the hope of this greate service if yt bee not if...not over erasure | the hope of this greate service if yt bee not if...not over erasure |
erasure ~ | erasure ~ |
verie | verie |
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bee placed verie well looked vnto , vnto, And that is the ~~ -- | bee placed verie well looked vnto, vnto , And that is the -- ~~ |
Corruption of theire Captaines , Captaines, for though they bee placed | Corruption of theire Captaines, Captaines , for though they bee placed |
neu er so carefullie , neu er so carefullie, and theire companies fyld neu er so | neu er so carefullie, neu er so carefullie , and theire companies fyld neu er so |
suffycientlie , suffycientelie, yet maye they , they, if they list , list, discarde | suffycientelie, suffycientlie , yet maye they, they , if they list, list , discarde |
whom they please , please, and send awaye such as will willing | whom they please, please , and send awaye such as will willing |
lie bee rydd of that dangerous and hard servyce servyce. | lie bee rydd of that dangerous and hard servyce. servyce |
The w hi ch wch well I wote is theire Comon Custome , Com m on Custome, to | The wch w hi ch well I wote is theire Com m on Custome, Comon Custome , to |
doe when they are layde in garrison : garrison: for then they | doe when they are layde in garrison: garrison : for then they |
may better hyde theire defaultes , defaultes, then when they are | may better hyde theire defaultes, defaultes , then when they are |
in Campe , Campe, where they are Contynewallie eyde and | in Campe, Campe , where they are Contynewallie eyde and |
noted of all men , men, besydes when theire paye cometh com m eth | noted of all men, men , besydes when theire paye com m eth cometh |
they will (as they vse detayne the greatest ~ - | they will (as they vse detayne the greatest - ~ |
porcons thereof at theire pleasure by an hundred | porcons thereof at theire pleasure by an hundred |
shiftes , shiftes, that need not here bee named , named, thorough | shiftes, shiftes , that need not here bee named, named , thorough |
w hi ch wch they oftentymes deceaue the soldyer , soldyer, abuse the | wch w hi ch they oftentymes deceaue the soldyer, soldyer , abuse the |
Quene and greatelie hinder the servyce , servyce, So | Quene and greatelie hinder the servyce, servyce , So |
that let the Quene paye never so fullie , the fullie, the | that let the Quene paye never so fullie, the fullie , the |
muster master veiwe them neu er so deligentelie | muster master veiwe them neu er so deligentelie |
let the deputie or gen er all looke to them neu er so | let the deputie or gen er all looke to them neu er so |
exactlie , exactlie, yet they can Cosen them all , all, There | exactlie, exactlie , yet they can Cosen them all, all , There |
fore mee semes yt were good , good, yf at least yt bee | fore mee semes yt were good, good , yf at least yt bee |
possible , possible, to make some p ro vicon for this inconvenience inconvenience: | possible, possible , to make some p ro vicon for this inconvenience: inconvenience |
Iren: It well will surelie bee verie hard , hard, but the chefest | Iren: It will well surelie bee verie hard, hard , but the chefest |
helpe for p re vencon hereof , hereof, must bee the Care | helpe for p re vencon hereof, hereof , must bee the Care |
of the Coronell , of the Coronell, that hath the gou er ern m en th t of all | of the Coronell, of the Coronell , that hath the gou ern er m en t th of all |
his garrisson , garrisson, to haue in an eye to theire alteration altera tion | his garrisson, garrisson , to haue an in eye to theire altera tion alteration |
to knowe the nomber and names of the sycke ~ - | to knowe the nomber and names of the sycke - ~ |
Soldyers , Soldyers, and the slane , slayne, to m ar ke and obserue | Soldyers, Soldyers , and the slayne, slane , to m ar ke and obserue |
theire ranckes in theire dalie rysinge forth | theire ranckes in theire dalie rysinge forth |
to service , service, by w hi ch wch he cannot safelie easelie bee abused | to service, service , by wch w hi ch he cannot easelie safelie bee abused |
So that | So that |
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71 | 71 |
So that hee him self bee a man of speciall assurance | So that hee him self bee a man of speciall assurance |
and intigretie intigretie. And therefore good regarde is to | and intigretie. intigretie And therefore good regarde is to |
bee hadd in the chusing and appointing of them | bee hadd in the chusing and appointing of them |
Besydes I would not by any meanes that the | Besydes I would not by any meanes that the |
Capteines should haue the paying of theire soldyers | Capteines should haue the paying of theire soldyers |
but that theire should a paymaster bee , bee, appointed | but that theire should a paymaster bee, bee , appointed |
of speciall trust w hi ch wch should paye everie man | of speciall trust wch w hi ch should paye everie man |
according to his Capteines Tickett , Capteins Tickett, and the accompte | according to his Capteins Tickett, Capteines Tickett , and the accompte |
of the Clarke of his band , ffor band, For by this meane | of the Clarke of his band, For band , ffor by this meane |
the Capteine will neu er seke to falcefie his | the Capteine will neu er seke to falcefie his |
alteracons nor to deminishe his Companies | alteracons nor to deminishe his Companies |
nor to deceaue his Soldyers , Soldyers, when nothinge | nor to deceaue his Soldyers, Soldyers , when nothinge |
thereof shalbe for his game , gaine, this is the mann er of | thereof shalbe for his gaine, game , this is the mann er of |
the Spanyarde Captaines , Spanyardes Captaines, who neu er hath to ~ - | the Spanyardes Captaines, Spanyarde Captaines , who neu er hath to - ~ |
meddle w i th wth his soldyers paye , paye, and in deed | meddle wth w i th his soldyers paye, paye , and in deed |
scorneth the name as base to bee Compted his | scorneth the name as base to bee Compted his |
soldyers , ~ Pugadore: soldyers,- Pagadore: where as the contrarie amongst | soldyers,- Pagadore: soldyers , ~ Pugadore: where as the contrarie amongst |
vs hath brought thinges to so badd a passe , passe, that | vs hath brought thinges to so badd a passe, passe , that |
theire is noe Capteine Captene but thinckes his band verie | theire is noe Captene Capteine but thinckes his band verie |
suffycient yf he can muster iiIxx iijxx and six sty sticke not | suffycient yf he can muster iijxx iiIxx and sty six sticke not |
to saye openlie , openlie, that he is vnworthie to haue a | to saye openlie, openlie , that he is vnworthie to haue a |
Captenshippe , Captenshippe, that cannot make yt vCl v Cl by the yeare | Captenshippe, Captenshippe , that cannot make yt v Cl vCl by the yeare |
the w hi ch the wch they right well veryfie by the proof proof: | the wch the w hi ch they right well veryfie by the proof: proof |
Eudox: Trulie I thincke this a verie averie good meane to | Eudox: Trulie I thincke this averie a verie good meane to |
avoyde that inconvenience of Captaines abusions | avoyde that inconvenience of Captaines abusions |
But what say saye yow of the Corronell , Corronell, what aucthoritie | But what saye say yow of the Corronell, Corronell , what aucthoritie |
thincke yow meete to be gyven him , him, whether will | thincke yow meete to be gyven him, him , whether will |
yee allowe him to protecte , protecte, to saif conducte to | yee allowe him to protecte, protecte , to saif conducte to |
haue m ar shall lawe as they are accustomed : accustomed: | haue m ar shall lawe as they are accustomed: accustomed : |
Iren Iren: Yea verelie but all these to bee lymitted w i th wth | Iren: Iren Yea verelie but all these to bee lymitted wth w i th |
verie straight instructions as thus for p re ro tections | verie straight instructions as thus for p ro re tections |
protect | protect |
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protect all that shall come in vnto them and them to send | protect all that shall come in vnto them and them to send |
vnto the deputie w i th wth theire saif conducte or passe | vnto the deputie wth w i th theire saif conducte or passe |
to bee at his disposition , disposition, but so as none of them turne | to bee at his disposition, disposition , but so as none of them turne |
backe againe beinge once Comen . , Com m en e, in but bee p re sent | backe againe beinge once Com m en e, Comen . , in but bee p re sent |
lie sente awaye onto out of the Countrie vnto the next | lie sente awaye out onto of the Countrie vnto the next |
sherif , sherif, and so conveyed in saiftye , saiftye, And lyke wise lykewise | sherif, sherif , and so conveyed in saiftye, saiftye , And lykewise lyke wise |
for m ar shall lawes that to the soldyer soldyor yt be not exten | for m ar shall lawes that to the soldyor soldyer yt be not exten |
ded , ded, but by tryall form er lie made of his Cryme by | ded, ded , but by tryall form er lie made of his Cryme by |
a Jurie of his fellowe soldyers as yt ought to | a Jurie of his fellowe soldyers as yt ought to |
bee , bee, and not rashlie as yte y e t will or displeasure | bee, bee , and not rashlie as y e t yte will or displeasure |
of the Coronell , ans Coronell, as I haue some times sometimes sene to lightlie | of the Coronell, as Coronell , ans I haue sometimes some times sene to lightlie |
And as for other of the Rebells that shall light into | And as for other of the Rebells that shall light into |
theire handes , handes, that they bee well aware of ~~ -- | theire handes, handes , that they bee well aware of -- ~~ |
what condycon they bee , bee, and what holdinge they | what condycon they bee, bee , and what holdinge they |
haue , ffor haue, For in the last gen er all generall warrs there I knewe | haue, For haue , ffor in the last generall gen er all warrs there I knewe |
many good ffreholders Freholders executed by m ar shall lawe , ~ lawe, - | many good Freholders ffreholders executed by m ar shall lawe, - lawe , ~ |
whose land was thereby saved to theire heires | whose land was thereby saved to theire heires |
w hi ch wch should otherwise haue excheated to her ma jes tie , | wch w hi ch should otherwise haue excheated to her ma jes tie , |
In all w hi ch wch the great discression and vprightnes vprightenes of | In all wch w hi ch the great discression and vprightenes vprightnes of |
the Coronell him self , self, is to bee ther the Chefest | the Coronell him self, self , is to bee the ther Chefest |
staye both for all these doubtes and for manye | staye both for all these doubtes and for manye |
other diffyculties that maye in the servyce | other diffyculties that maye in the servyce |
happen : happen: | happen: happen : |
Eudox: Yo u r Yor Causion is verie good : good: But now towchinge | Eudox: Yor Yo u r Causion is verie good: good : But now towchinge |
the Arch Rebell him self , self, I meane the Earle | the Arch Rebell him self, self , I meane the Earle |
of Tyrone , yf he in all the tyme of these | of Tyrone , yf he in all the tyme of these |
warrs should offer to come in hostage and submit | warrs should offer to come in hostage and submit |
him self to her maiestie , maiestie, would yee not haue him | him self to her maiestie, maiestie , would yee not haue him |
receyved, gyvinge good hostages and suffycient assu | receyved, gyvinge good hostages and suffycient assu |
rance of him self :: self:: | rance of him self:: self :: |
Iren: No mary | Iren: No mary |
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72 | 72 |
Iren: Noe marye for theire is noe doubte but he will | Iren: Noe marye for theire is noe doubte but he will |
offer to come in as he hath done dyverse tymes | offer to come in as he hath done dyverse tymes |
alreadye , alreadye, but yt is w i th out wthout any intente of trewe | alreadye, alreadye , but yt is wthout w i th out any intente of trewe |
submission , submission, as the effecte hath well showed , showed, Neither | submission, submission , as the effecte hath well showed, showed , Neither |
in deed can he nowe , nowe, yf he would come in at | in deed can he nowe, nowe , yf he would come in at |
all ; all, nor giue that assurance of him self , that self, that | all, all ; nor giue that assurance of him self, that self , that |
should bee meete . ffor meete. For beinge as he is verie | should bee meete. For meete . ffor beinge as he is verie |
subtill headed , headed, seinge him self nowe so farr | subtill headed, headed , seinge him self nowe so farr |
engaged in this badd accon , accon, can he thincke | engaged in this badd accon, accon , can he thincke |
that by his submission he can purchase purchaise to him | that by his submission he can purchaise purchase to him |
self anye saiftie , any saiftie, but that heareafter when thinges | self any saiftie, anye saiftie , but that heareafter when thinges |
shalbe quieted , quieted, these his villaynies wilbee | shalbe quieted, quieted , these his villaynies wilbee |
ever remembred, and whensoever he shall ~ - | ever remembred, and whensoever he shall - ~ |
treade awrye , awrye, as needes the most righteous | treade awrye, awrye , as needes the most righteous |
must sometymes sometymes, advantage wilbe taken thereof | must sometymes, sometymes advantage wilbe taken thereof |
as a breach of his p ar don , don, and he brought to | as a breach of his p ar don, don , and he brought to |
areckoninge a reckoninge for all form er matters , matters, Besides ~ - | a reckoninge areckoninge for all form er matters, matters , Besides - ~ |
how harde yt is for him now to frame himself him self | how harde yt is for him now to frame him self himself |
to subiection, that havinge once sett before his eyes | to subiection, that havinge once sett before his eyes |
the hope of a kingdome , kingdome, hath therevnto there vnto found | the hope of a kingdome, kingdome , hath there vnto therevnto found |
not onelie encourragm encorragm en t from the greatest kinge of | not onelie encorragm encourragm en t from the greatest kinge of |
Christendome , Christendome, but also found great greate faintnesse | Christendome, Christendome , but also found greate great faintnesse |
in her ma jes ties w i th standinge , where by wthstandinge, whereby he is ~ ~ -- | in her ma jes ties wthstandinge, whereby w i th standinge , where by he is -- ~ ~ |
anymated th to thincke that his powre is to | anymated th to thincke that his powre is to |
defende him , him, and offend further them then hee had done | defende him, him , and offend further then them hee had done |
when so he please please, lett eu er ie reasonable man iudge But | when so he please, please lett eu er ie reasonable man iudge But |
yf he him self should come in and leaue all other | yf he him self should come in and leaue all other |
his accomplices w i th out wthout as Donell Odonell Macmahon | his accomplices wthout w i th out as Odonell Donell Macmahon |
MacKuyre Mackuyre and the rest . rest, he must needes thincke | Mackuyre MacKuyre and the rest, rest . he must needes thincke |
that them then even they will eare longe cutt his | that then them even they will eare longe cutt his |
throate , w hi ch throate, wch having drawne them all into this | throate, wch throate , w hi ch having drawne them all into this |
occasion | occasion |
Folio 73v | Folio 73v |
occasion now in the myddste of theire trouble gi. gine | occasion now in the myddste of theire trouble gine gi. |
gyveth then them the slipp , slipp, whereby hee must needes | gyveth them then the slipp, slipp , whereby hee must needes |
p er ceaue , ceaue, how impossible yt is for him to submit | p er ceaue, ceaue , how impossible yt is for him to submit |
him self , self, But yett if he would so doe , doe, can | him self, self , But yett if he would so doe, doe , can |
he giue any assurance of his good obedyence ; ffor obedyence, For | he giue any assurance of his good obedyence, For obedyence ; ffor |
how weake hold theire is by hostages hostages, hath | how weake hold theire is by hostages, hostages hath |
to often bene proued proued, And that w hi ch wch is spoken | to often bene proued, proued And that wch w hi ch is spoken |
of taking Ohan Oneales sonnes from him , him, and | of taking Ohan Oneales sonnes from him, him , and |
setting them vpp against him , him, is a verie p er illous | setting them vpp against him, him , is a verie p er illous |
Counsell , Counsell, and not by any meanes to bee putt in | Counsell, Counsell , and not by any meanes to bee putt in |
proof , ffor proof, For were they lett forth and could ~ - | proof, For proof , ffor were they lett forth and could - ~ |
over thorowe , overthrowe, whoe should afterwardes overthrow | overthrowe, over thorowe , whoe should afterwardes overthrow |
them , them, or what assurance can bee hadd of them | them, them , or what assurance can bee hadd of them |
It wilbe like the tale in AEsope Æsope of the wyld | It wilbe like the tale in Æsope AEsope of the wyld |
horse who havinge enmitie against the | horse who havinge enmitie against the |
stagge , stagge, came to a man to desyre his ayde | stagge, stagge , came to a man to desyre his ayde |
against his enimye , enimye, who yeilding therevnto | against his enimye, enimye , who yeilding therevnto |
wounted mounted vpon his backe , backe, and so following the | mounted wounted vpon his backe, backe , and so following the |
stagge ere longe slewe him , him, but then when | stagge ere longe slewe him, him , but then when |
the horse would haue him alight , alight, he refused refuised | the horse would haue him alight, alight , he refuised refused |
but kepte him ever after in his service and sub | but kepte him ever after in his service and sub |
iection , iection, such I doubte would bee the proof of shane | iection, iection , such I doubte would bee the proof of shane |
Oneales sonnes , sonnes, therefore yt is most dangerous to | Oneales sonnes, sonnes , therefore yt is most dangerous to |
attempte any such plott , ffor plott, For even that verie ~ - | attempte any such plott, For plott , ffor even that verie - ~ |
mann er of plott was the meanes , meanes, by w hi ch wch this trato | mann er of plott was the meanes, meanes , by wch w hi ch this trato |
rous Earle is now made so greate , ffor greate, For when as | rous Earle is now made so greate, For greate , ffor when as |
the last Oneale called Turlagh Lenagh began | the last Oneale called Turlagh Lenagh began |
to stand vpon some tickle termes , termes, this fellowe then called | to stand vpon some tickle termes, termes , this fellowe then called |
Baro n of Donganno ; n , was sett vpp as yt weare to beard | Baro n of Donganno n , ; was sett vpp as yt weare to beard |
him and countenanced and strengthned by the Quene so farr | him and countenanced and strengthned by the Quene so farr |
as that hee is now able to kepe her self play much | as that hee is now able to kepe her self play much |
like vnto a gamester , gamester, that having lost all borroweth | like vnto a gamester, gamester , that having lost all borroweth |
of his next | of his next |
fellowe | fellowe |
Folio 74r 74r; written "73" | 74r; written "73" Folio 74r |
73 | 73 |
of his next fellowe gamester that is the most | of his next fellowe gamester that is the most |
wynner , wynner, some what to maintane playe , w hi ch maintaine playe, wch he setting | wynner, wynner , some what to maintaine playe, wch maintane playe , w hi ch he setting |
vnto him againe , againe, shortelie thereby wynneth all from | vnto him againe, againe , shortelie thereby wynneth all from |
the wynner : wynner: | the wynner: wynner : |
Eudox’s response omitted; 3549-50 in Variorum Iren: He was I assure yow the most outcast of all the | Iren: He was I assure yow the most outcast of all the Eudox’s response omitted; 3549-50 in Variorum |
Iren: He was I assure yow the most outcast Oneales then, and lifted vpp by her ma jes tie out of all the the dust | Oneales then, and lifted vpp by her ma jes tie out Iren: He was I assure yow the most outcast of the dust all the |
Oneales then , and lifted vpp by her ma jes tie out of the dust to that he hath nowe wrought him self vnto: And now | to that he hath nowe wrought him self vnto: And now Oneales then , and lifted vpp by her ma jes tie out of the dust |
he hath nowe rorought him self vnto : And now playeth lyke the frozen snake, who beinge for Com | to that he playeth lyke the frozen snake, who beinge for Com hath nowe rorought him self vnto : And now |
passion releiued by the frozen snake , who beinge for Com husbandman, soone after he playeth lyke was | he was playeth lyke the husbandman, soone after frozen snake , who beinge for Com |
passion releiued by the husbandman , soone after he was warme began to hisse, and threaten danger even to | warme began to hisse, and threaten danger even to passion releiued by the husbandman , soone after he was |
warme began to hisse , him and threaten danger even to his: | him warme began to hisse , and his: threaten danger even to |
him and his : Eudox: He surelye then deserueth the punishm en t of the | Eudox: He surelye then deserueth the punishm en t of the him and his : |
Eudox: Ye surelye then deserueth the punishm en th of the snake and should worthelie bee shewed in peeces, but | snake and should worthelie bee shewed in peeces, but Eudox: Ye surelye then deserueth the punishm en th of the |
snake and should worthelie be shewed in peeces , but yf yow lyke not the lettinge Shane Oneales sonnes against | yf yow lyke not the lettinge Shane Oneales sonnes against snake and should worthelie be shewed in peeces , but |
yf yow lyke not the lettinge Shane Oneales sonnes against him, what saye yee then of that aduise wch I hard | him, what saye yee then of that aduise wch I hard yf yow lyke not the lettinge Shane Oneales sonnes against |
him , what saye yee then of that aduise w hi ch I hard was geven by some to drawe in the Scottes, to serue | was geven by some to drawe in the Scottes, to serue him , what saye yee then of that aduise w hi ch I hard |
was geven by some to drawe in the Scottes , to serue against him, how like yow that aduise::-. | against him, how like yow that aduise::-. was geven by some to drawe in the Scottes , to serue |
against him Iren: Much worse, then the form er , how like yow for who is hee that aduise : : ~ : | Iren: Much worse, then the form er against him , for who is hee how like yow that aduise : : ~ : |
is hee experienced in those p ar tes, and knoweth not that | Iren: Much worse , then the form er , for who is experienced in those p ar tes, and knoweth not hee that |
is experienced in those p ar tes , and knoweth not that | is experienced in those p ar tes , and knoweth not that |
the Oneales are nearelye alyed vnto the Macon | the Oneales are nearelye alyed vnto the Macon |
eales of Scotland , Scotland, and to the Earle of Argile , from | eales of Scotland, Scotland , and to the Earle of Argile , from |
whom they vse to haue all theire succors of those scottes | whom they vse to haue all theire succors of those scottes |
and Red shankes , Redshankes, Besides all those Scottes are thoughe throughe | and Redshankes, Red shankes , Besides all those Scottes are throughe thoughe |
longe contynewance inter mingled intermingled and alyed to all the | longe contynewance intermingled inter mingled and alyed to all the |
Inhabytantes of the North , North, so as there is now noe hope | Inhabytantes of the North, North , so as there is now noe hope |
they will ever bee wrought to serue faithfullie against | they will ever bee wrought to serue faithfullie against |
theire ould freindes and kynsmen , kynsmen, And yf they would , would, | theire ould freindes and kynsmen, kynsmen , And yf they would, would , |
how when the warrs are fynished , fynished, and they haue | how when the warrs are fynished, fynished , and they haue |
overthrowen him , him, shall they them selues bee putt out out, | overthrowen him, him , shall they them selues bee putt out, out |
doe not all knowe that the Scottes were the first | doe not all knowe that the Scottes were the first |
inhabytantes of all the north and that those w hi ch wch are | inhabytantes of all the north and that those wch w hi ch are |
now called , called, North Irishe , Irishe, were in deed verie | now called, called , North Irishe, Irishe , were in deed verie |
Scottes | Scottes |
Folio 74v | Folio 74v |
Scottes w hi ch wch challenge the Ancyente inheritance & dominion | Scottes wch w hi ch challenge the Ancyente inheritance & dominion |
of all that countrie to bee there owne auncyentelie | of all that countrie to bee there owne auncyentelie |
This then were but to leape out of the pan OB into the | This then were but to leape out of the pan OB into the |
fyer : ffor fyer: For the cheifest caveat and p ro viso in the fefor refor | fyer: For fyer : ffor the cheifest caveat and p ro viso in the refor fefor |
macon of the North must bee to kepe out the Scottes : Scottes: | macon of the North must bee to kepe out the Scottes: Scottes : |
Eudox: Indeed I remember that in yo u r yor discourse of | Eudox: Indeed I remember that in yor yo u r discourse of |
the first peoplinge of Ireland , Ireland, ye shewed that | the first peoplinge of Ireland, Ireland , ye shewed that |
the Scythian or Scottes Scottes, were the first that satt | the Scythian or Scottes, Scottes were the first that satt |
downe in the northe , northe, whereby yt semes they may | downe in the northe, northe , whereby yt semes they may |
challenge some right therein , therein, How comes yt then | challenge some right therein, therein , How comes yt then |
that Oneales claimes that clames the Dominion thereof , thereof, and | that Oneales clames the claimes that Dominion thereof, thereof , and |
this Earle of Tyrone sayth the right is in him , him, I | this Earle of Tyrone sayth the right is in him, him , I |
praye yow resolue mee therein ffor therein. For yt is verie ~ - | praye yow resolue mee therein. For therein ffor yt is verie - ~ |
needfull to bee kinsmen knowen, and maketh most vnto the | needfull to bee knowen, kinsmen and maketh most vnto the |
right of the warr against him , him, whose successe vseth | right of the warr against him, him , whose successe vseth |
comonlye to be accordinge to the Iustnes of the cause | comonlye to be accordinge to the Iustnes of the cause |
for w hi ch wch yt is made made: For yf Tyron : ffor haue any right in that | for wch w hi ch yt is made: For made : ffor yf Tyron haue any right in that |
Signiorye , Signiorye, mee semes yt should bee be wrought to thrust | Signiorye, Signiorye , mee semes yt should be bee wrought to thrust |
him out , out, or if (as I remember yee said in the begynning) | him out, out , or if (as I remember yee said in the begynning) |
that , that, Oneale when he acknowledged the k ing k: of England | that, that , Oneale when he acknowledged the k: k ing of England |
for his leige Lord and sou er aigne did , did, as hee alled alle d geth | for his leige Lord and sou er aigne did, did , as hee alle d alled geth |
reserue in the same ~ submissio submission all his signiories | reserue in the same submission ~ submissio all his signiories |
and rightes vnto him self , self, it should bee accompted ~ - | and rightes vnto him self, self , it should bee accompted - ~ |
vniust to thrust him out of the same : same: | vniust to thrust him out of the same: same : |
Iren: for the right of Oneale in the signiorie of | Iren: for the right of Oneale in the signiorie of |
the North , North, yt is surelie none at all , all, for besydes | the North, North , yt is surelie none at all, all , for besydes |
that the kinges of England conquered all the Realme | that the kinges of England conquered all the Realme |
and thereby invested all the righte of that Lande lande to | and thereby invested all the righte of that lande Lande to |
them selues and theire heires , and successors , heires, and successors, for ever ever, so | them selues and theire heires, and successors, heires , and successors , for ever, ever so |
as nothinge was lefte in , in, Oneale but what he recey | as nothinge was lefte in, in , Oneale but what he recey |
ued backe backe, from them , them, Oneale him self neu er had | ued backe, backe from them, them , Oneale him self neu er had |
any auncyente signiorie in that Countrie , Countrie, but what | any auncyente signiorie in that Countrie, Countrie , but what |
by vsurpation and incrochm en t after the deathe of the | by vsurpation and incrochm en t after the deathe of the |
Duke of | Duke of |
Folio 75r 75r; written "74" | 75r; written "74" Folio 75r |
74 Duke of Clarence he gat vpon the Englishe, whose | Duke of Clarence he gat vpon the Englishe, whose 74 |
Duke of Clarence he gat vpon the Englishe , whose | Duke of Clarence he gat vpon the Englishe , whose |
landes and possessions beinge form er lie wasted by the | landes and possessions beinge form er lie wasted by the |
Scottes vnder the leadinge of Edward Lee Bruce , as I | Scottes vnder the leadinge of Edward Lee Bruce , as I |
form er lie declared vnto yow , yow, he eftsones entered into and | form er lie declared vnto yow, yow , he eftsones entered into and |
sythence hath wrongefullie detained , detayned, throughe | sythence hath wrongefullie detayned, detained , throughe |
the other occupacons and greate affaires w hi ch the wch the | the other occupacons and greate affaires wch the w hi ch the |
Kinges kinges of England soone after fell into here at | kinges Kinges of England soone after fell into here at |
home , home, so as they could not intend to the recou er ie to the | home, home , so as they could not intend to the recou er ie to the |
recou er ie of that countrie of the North , North, nor restraining restrayning | recou er ie of that countrie of the North, North , nor restrayning restraining |
the insolencye of Oneale , who Oneale, Who fynding none | the insolencye of Oneale, Who Oneale , who fynding none |
now to w wth stand him , him, in that desolacon , desolac i th on, and | now to wth w i on, th stand him, him , in that desolac desolacon , and |
made him self Lorde of those fewe people , people, that | made him self Lorde of those fewe people, people , that |
remained there , remayned there, vpon whom ever sythence he | remayned there, remained there , vpon whom ever sythence he |
hathe contenewed the first vsurped power , power, and now | hathe contenewed the first vsurped power, power , and now |
exacteth and extorteth vpon all men , men, what he list | exacteth and extorteth vpon all men, men , what he list |
So that now to subdue or expel expell, an vsurper | So that now to subdue or expell, expel an vsurper |
should bee noe vniust prize nor wrongfull | should bee noe vniust prize nor wrongfull |
war , warr, but a restrytution restytution of an Auncyent right | warr, war , but a restytution restrytution of an Auncyent right |
vnto the Crowne of England , England, from whence | vnto the Crowne of England, England , from whence |
they were most uniustlye vniustlye expelled and longe kept | they were most vniustlye uniustlye expelled and longe kept |
out : out:: | out:: out : |
Eudox: I am verie glad herein here in to bee thus satisfied , satisfyed, | Eudox: I am verie glad here in herein to bee thus satisfyed, satisfied , |
by yow, that I maye the better satisfye them | by yow, that I maye the better satisfye them |
whom I haue often harde to obiecte these doubtes | whom I haue often harde to obiecte these doubtes |
and slanderouslie to OB barke at the courses that | and slanderouslie to OB barke at the courses that |
are held against the Tratorous Earle , Earle, and | are held against the Tratorous Earle, Earle , and |
his adherence , adherence, But now that yow thus settled yo u r setled yor | his adherence, adherence , But now that yow thus setled yor settled yo u r |
service , service, for . V Vlster and Connaght Connaght, I would bee | service, service , for V . Vlster and Connaght, Connaght I would bee |
gladd to | gladd to |
Folio 75v | Folio 75v |
gladd to heare yo u r yor opynion for the p er ro secutinge of Feagh | gladd to heare yor yo u r opynion for the p ro er secutinge of Feagh |
mc m c Hugh who beinge but a base villaine and of him | m c mc Hugh who beinge but a base villaine and of him |
self of noe power , power, yet so contynewallie troubleth | self of noe power, power , yet so contynewallie troubleth |
that state , that state, not w i th wth standinge that he lyeth | that state, that state , not wth w i th standinge that he lyeth |
vnder theire nose , nose, that I disdaine his bold ~~ -- | vnder theire nose, nose , that I disdaine his bold -- ~~ |
arrogancye and thincke yt to be the greatest | arrogancye and thincke yt to be the greatest |
indignitie to the Quene that maye bee to | indignitie to the Quene that maye bee to |
suffer such a caytif playe such reakes , reakes, and by his | suffer such a caytif playe such reakes, reakes , and by his |
ensample not onelie to giue hurte and encorragm en t | ensample not onelie to giue hurte and encorragm en t |
to all such bold rebelles , rebells, but also toyeild to yeild them succor | to all such bold rebells, rebelles , but also to yeild toyeild them succor |
and refuge against her ma jes tie , ,, whensoever they | and refuge against her ma jes tie ,, , whensoever they |
flye into his Comericke , Comericke, wherefore I would first | flye into his Comericke, Comericke , wherefore I would first |
wishe before yow enter into yo u r yor plot of servyce against | wishe before yow enter into yor yo u r plot of servyce against |
him that yow should laye open by what meanes | him that yow should laye open by what meanes |
hee beinge so base , base, first lifted him self vpp to | hee beinge so base, base , first lifted him self vpp to |
this dangerous greatenes , greatenes, and how he mainteyneth | this dangerous greatenes, greatenes , and how he mainteyneth |
his p ar te against the Quene and her power power, not | his p ar te against the Quene and her power, power not |
w i th standinge wthstandinge all that hath bene donne and attempted | wthstandinge w i th standinge all that hath bene donne and attempted |
against him , him, And whether also he haue any ~ ~ - | against him, him , And whether also he haue any - ~ ~ |
p re tence of right in the landes he holdeth or in the | p re tence of right in the landes he holdeth or in the |
warrs that he maketh for the same : same: | warrs that he maketh for the same: same : |
Iren: I will so at yo u r pleasure : yor pleasure: And since yee desire | Iren: I will so at yor pleasure: yo u r pleasure : And since yee desire |
to knowe his first begynninge , begynninge, I will not onelie | to knowe his first begynninge, begynninge , I will not onelie |
discou er the begynninge of his private howse , howse, but | discou er the begynninge of his private howse, howse , but |
also the originall of all his septe , septe, of the Birnes | also the originall of all his septe, septe , of the Birnes |
& Tooles , Tooles, so farr as I haue learned the same from | & Tooles, Tooles , so farr as I haue learned the same from |
some of them selues , selues, and gathred the rest by reading | some of them selues, selues , and gathred the rest by reading |
This people of the Birnes and Tooles (as before | This people of the Birnes and Tooles (as before |
I shewed sh e wed yow my coniecture ) coniecture) discended from the | I sh e wed shewed yow my coniecture) coniecture ) discended from the |
ancyent Britons , w hi ch Britons, wch first in habyted all those | ancyent Britons, wch Britons , w hi ch first in habyted all those |
Easterne p ar tes of Ireland as there names doe | Easterne p ar tes of Ireland as there names doe |
betoken | betoken |
Folio 76r 76r; written "75" | 76r; written "75" Folio 76r |
75 betoken,. for Brin in the Bryttons language, signifyeth | betoken,. for Brin in the Bryttons language, signifyeth 75 |
betoken , for Brin in the Bryttons language , signifyeth woddye and Toll hillye, wch names yt semeth they | woddye and Toll hillye, wch names yt semeth they betoken , for Brin in the Bryttons language , signifyeth |
woddye and Toll hillye , w hi ch names yt semeth tooke of the Countrie, wch they inhabyted, wch is all | tooke of the Countrie, wch woddye and Toll hillye , w hi ch names yt semeth they inhabyted, wch is all |
looke of verie mountanie and wooddye, In the Countrie , w hi ch they inhabyted , w hi ch is all wch yt semeth | verie mountanie and wooddye, In looke of the wch yt semeth Countrie , w hi ch they inhabyted , w hi ch is all |
verie mountaine and wooddye , In the w hi ch yt semeth | verie mountaine and wooddye , In the w hi ch yt semeth |
that ever sythence the cominge in of the Englishe | that ever sythence the cominge in of the Englishe |
w i th Dermonigile , wth Dermonigile, they have contynewed , contynewed, whether - | wth Dermonigile, w i th Dermonigile , they have contynewed, contynewed , whether - |
that theire countrie beinge so rude and mountaynous , mountaynous, was | that theire countrie beinge so rude and mountaynous, mountaynous , was |
of them dispysed and thought not worthie , worthie, the | of them dispysed and thought not worthie, worthie , the |
inhabytinge , inhabytinge, or that they were receyved to grace | inhabytinge, inhabytinge , or that they were receyved to grace |
by them and suffred to enioye theire landes , landes, as vnfitt | by them and suffred to enioye theire landes, landes , as vnfitt |
for any other , other, yet yt semeth that in some places | for any other, other , yet yt semeth that in some places |
of the same they did putt foote and fortefied w i th wth | of the same they did putt foote and fortefied wth w i th |
sondrie Castles , Castles, of w hi ch wch thee ruins onelie doe | sondrie Castles, Castles , of wch w hi ch thee ruins onelie doe |
there ^ now remaine , remaine, Since tyme they are growen to þ a y t | there ^ now remaine, remaine , Since tyme they are growen to y þ a t |
strength , strength, that they aree able to lifte vpp hande against | strength, strength , that they aree able to lifte vpp hande against |
all the state , state, and now latelye through the boldnes | all the state, state , and now latelye through the boldnes |
and late good successe of this Feagh mac Hugh m a c Hugh: | and late good successe of this Feagh m a c Hugh: mac Hugh |
they are so farr ymboldyned that they threaten p er ill | they are so farr ymboldyned that they threaten p er ill |
even to dubline , dubline, over whose necke they contynewallie | even to dubline, dubline , over whose necke they contynewallie |
hange , hange, But touchinge yo u r yor demaund of this Feaghes | hange, hange , But touchinge yor yo u r demaund of this Feaghes |
right vnto that countrye or the signorie w hi ch signorie, wch he | right vnto that countrye or the signorie, wch signorie w hi ch he |
claimes therein , clames therein, yt is most vaine and arrogant : arrogant: | clames therein, claimes therein , yt is most vaine and arrogant: arrogant : |
ffor For this yee cannot bee ignorant , ignorant, that yt was | For ffor this yee cannot bee ignorant, ignorant , that yt was |
p ar te of that w hi ch wch was gyven in inheritance Inheritance by Dermot | p ar te of that wch w hi ch was gyven in Inheritance inheritance by Dermot |
mc Marragh K ing ma c Murrogh K: of Leinster to Stambowes w i th Stanbowes wth his | ma c Murrogh K: mc Marragh K ing of Leinster to Stanbowes wth Stambowes w i th his |
daughter , daughter, and w hi ch Strangbow , wch Strangbowe, gaue over to the | daughter, daughter , and wch Strangbowe, w hi ch Strangbow , gaue over to the |
k ing k: and his heires , heires; so as the right is absolutelie | k: k ing and his heires; heires , so as the right is absolutelie |
now in her ma jes tie , And yf yt were not , not, yet could | now in her ma jes tie , And yf yt were not, not , yet could |
yt not bee in this Feagh , but in Obrin , and his | yt not bee in this Feagh , but in Obrin , and his |
grandfather grandfather, Shane mc Turlogh M c Turlogh, was a man of | grandfather, grandfather Shane M c Turlogh, mc Turlogh was a man of |
meanest regard amongst them , them, neyther having | meanest regard amongst them, them , neyther having |
wealth nor power power, but his sonne hugh mc m c S | wealth nor power, power but his sonne hugh m c mc S |
Shane , the father of this Feagh first begane began to lift | Shane , the father of this Feagh first began begane to lift |
vpp his | vpp his |
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vpp his head , head, and through the strenght and great fatnes | vpp his head, head , and through the strenght and great fatnes |
of Glan Malore w i th Malor wth adioyneth vnto his howse of | of Glan Malor wth Malore w i th adioyneth vnto his howse of |
Ballenecarre , Ballenecarre, drewe vnto him many theves & | Ballenecarre, Ballenecarre , drewe vnto him many theves & |
outlawes w hi ch wch fledd vnto the succor of the glenn | outlawes wch w hi ch fledd vnto the succor of the glenn |
as to a Sanctuary and brought vnto him p ar te of | as to a Sanctuary and brought vnto him p ar te of |
the spoyle of all the Country , through w hi ch Country, thorough wch he grewe | the spoyle of all the Country, thorough wch Country , through w hi ch he grewe |
stronge and in shorte space gettinge to him self | stronge and in shorte space gettinge to him self |
a greate name , agreate name, thereby amongst the Irishe , Irishe, In whose | agreate name, a greate name , thereby amongst the Irishe, Irishe , In whose |
footinge this his sonne contynewinge , contynewinge, hath through manie | footinge this his sonne contynewinge, contynewinge , hath through manie |
vnhappye occasions increased , inceased, his name , name, and the opynion | vnhappye occasions inceased, increased , his name, name , and the opynion |
of his greatnes , greatnes, so that now hee is become a dangerous | of his greatnes, greatnes , so that now hee is become a dangerous |
enemye to deale w i th all : : wthall:: OB | enemye to deale wthall:: OB w i th all : : |
Eudox: Surelye I can Comend him that beinge of | Eudox: Surelye I can Comend him that beinge of |
him self of ^ so bace sorte Condycion , serte Condycion, hath through his | him self of ^ so bace serte Condycion, sorte Condycion , hath through his |
owne hardinesse hardnesse lifted him self vpp to the hight that | owne hardnesse hardinesse lifted him self vpp to the hight that |
he now dare fronte Princes , Princes, and make termes w i th wth | he now dare fronte Princes, Princes , and make termes wth w i th |
great Potentates , Potentates, the w hi ch wch as yt is honorable to him | great Potentates, Potentates , the wch w hi ch as yt is honorable to him |
so yet its yt is to them most disgracefull to be bee bearded of | so yt is yet its to them most disgracefull to bee be bearded of |
such abuse Verlit , a base Verlit, that beinge but late growen | such a base Verlit, abuse Verlit , that beinge but late growen |
out of the doun dou n ghill begynneth now to overcrowe overcrowe, so | out of the dou n doun ghill begynneth now to overcrowe, overcrowe so |
high mountaines , Mountaines, and make him self great protector | high Mountaines, mountaines , and make him self great protector |
of all owtlawes outlawes and rebells that will repare repaire vnto | of all outlawes owtlawes and rebells that will repaire repare vnto |
him : him: But doe yow thincke , thincke, that he is now so dange | him: him : But doe yow thincke, thincke , that he is now so dange |
rous an Enemye as hee is counted , counted, or that it is so | rous an Enemye as hee is counted, counted , or that it is so |
hard to take him downe , downe, as some suppose : suppose: | hard to take him downe, downe , as some suppose: suppose : |
Iren: Noe verelye , verelye, there is noe great reckoninge to bee | Iren: Noe verelye, verelye , there is noe great reckoninge to bee |
made of him , him, for had hee ever bene taken in hand hand, | made of him, him , for had hee ever bene taken in hand, hand |
when the rest of the Realme Realme, or at least , least, the p ar tes | when the rest of the Realme, Realme or at least, least , the p ar tes |
adioyninge had bene quiet as the honorable gentleman | adioyninge had bene quiet as the honorable gentleman |
that now governeth there , there, I meane S i r Willyum Willyam | that now governeth there, there , I meane S i r Willyam Willyum |
Russell gaue a notable attempte therevnto , therevnto, and had | Russell gaue a notable attempte therevnto, therevnto , and had |
worthelie p er formed yt , yt, yf his course had not bene | worthelie p er formed yt, yt , yf his course had not bene |
Crossed | Crossed |
Folio 77r 77r; written "76 | 77r; written "76 Folio 77r |
76 Crossed vnhappelye: he could not haue stood three | Crossed vnhappelye: he could not haue stood three 76 |
Crossed vnhappelye : he could not monthes nor ever haue stood three looked vpp againste | monthes nor ever Crossed vnhappelye : he could not haue looked vpp againste stood three |
monthes nor ever haue lookedc vpp againste averie m OB meane power: But now all | averie m OB meane power: But now all monthes nor ever haue lookedc vpp againste |
a verie me..e meane power : But now all the p ar tes aboute him, beinge vpp in maddinge | the p ar tes aboute him, beinge vpp in maddinge a verie me..e meane power : But now all |
the p ar tes aboute him moode as the Mores in maddinge Lease , beinge vpp the Cavanaghes | moode as the Mores the p ar tes aboute him , the Cavanaghes beinge vpp in Lease maddinge |
in Lease , the Cavanaghes the Countye of Wexforde, and some of | moode as the mores in the Countye of Wexforde, and some of Lease , the Cavanaghes |
in the Countye of Wexforde , and some of | in the Countye of Wexforde , and some of |
the Butlers in the Countye of Kylkennye | the Butlers in the Countye of Kylkennye |
they all flocke vnto him , him, and drawe vnto | they all flocke vnto him, him , and drawe vnto |
his Countrye as to stronge hold , hold, where they | his Countrye as to stronge hold, hold , where they |
thincke to be saif from all that p er ro secute them them, | thincke to be saif from all that p ro er secute them, them |
And from thence they doe at theire pleasures | And from thence they doe at theire pleasures |
br b r eake out into all the borders adioyninge , adioyninge, | b r br eake out into all the borders adioyninge, adioyninge , |
w hi ch wch are well peopled countryes , countryes, as the | wch w hi ch are well peopled countryes, countryes , as the |
Countye of Dubline , of Kyldare , Dubline, of Kyldare, of Carlough | Countye of Dubline, of Kyldare, Dubline , of Kyldare , of Carlough |
of Kylkennye of Wexford w i th Wexford, wth the spoiles | of Kylkennye of Wexford, wth Wexford w i th the spoiles |
whereof they victell and strengthen them | whereof they victell and strengthen them |
selves , w hi ch selves, wch otherwise should in shorte | selves, wch selves , w hi ch otherwise should in shorte |
tymes tyme bee shortened starved and sone pyned : pyned: | tyme tymes bee shortened starved and sone pyned: pyned : |
Soe that what he is of him self . l | Soe that what he is of him self l . |
yow maye hereby p er ceaue : : : ceaue::: | yow maye hereby p er ceaue::: ceaue : : : |
Eudox: Then by so much as I gather out of yo u r yor | Eudox: Then by so much as I gather out of yor yo u r |
speach , speach, the next waye to ende the warrs | speach, speach , the next waye to ende the warrs |
w i th wth him and to roote him ^ quite out , out, should bee | wth w i th him and to roote him ^ quite out, out , should bee |
to kepe him from in vading invading those Countries | to kepe him from invading in vading those Countries |
adioyning : w hi ch adioyning: wch as I suppose is to bee done none do ne n OB ne | adioyning: wch adioyning : w hi ch as I suppose is to bee do ne n OB ne done none |
by drawinge all the Inhabytantes of those | by drawinge all the Inhabytantes of those |
next borders awaye and leaving them vtterlie | next borders awaye and leaving them vtterlie |
waste | waste |
Folio 77v | Folio 77v |
waste , waste, or by planting garrisons vpon all those | waste, waste , or by planting garrisons vpon all those |
frontyers about him , him, that when hee shall | frontyers about him, him , that when hee shall |
breake forthe maye sett vpon him and shorten | breake forthe maye sett vpon him and shorten |
his returne : : returne:: | his returne:: returne : : |
Iren: Yee conceyve rightlie Eudox: , but for the | Iren: Yee conceyve rightlie Eudox: , but for the |
dispeopling and dryvinge awaye all the Inha | dispeopling and dryvinge awaye all the Inha |
bytantes from the Countries Countries, about him w hi ch wch hee | bytantes from the Countries, Countries about him wch w hi ch hee |
spake of , of, should bee a great agreat Confusion and | spake of, of , should bee agreat a great Confusion and |
trouble as well aswell for the vnwillingnes of them | trouble aswell as well for the vnwillingnes of them |
to leaue theire possessions , possessions, as also for placing and p ro vy | to leaue theire possessions, possessions , as also for placing and p ro vy |
dinge for them in other countries , countries, mee semes the better | dinge for them in other countries, countries , mee semes the better |
course should bee by plantinge of garrisons about him , him, the | course should bee by plantinge of garrisons about him, him , the |
w hi ch when so ever wch whensoever he shall looke forth or bee drawen | wch whensoever w hi ch when so ever he shall looke forth or bee drawen |
out w i th wth desyre of the spoyle of those borders or | out wth w i th desyre of the spoyle of those borders or |
for necessitie of victell , Victell, shalbe alwaies redye | for necessitie of Victell, victell , shalbe alwaies redye |
to intercept his goinge cominge cominge:. | to intercept his goinge cominge:. cominge |
Eudox: Where then doe yow wishe these those garrisons to bee | Eudox: Where then doe yow wishe those these garrisons to bee |
planted , planted, that they maye serue best against him | planted, planted , that they maye serue best against him |
and how manye in of eu er ie garrison : garrison: | and how manye of in eu er ie garrison: garrison : |
Iren: Iren : I my self , self, by reason ( þ a y t (as I am noe m ar shall man | Iren : Iren: I my self, self , by reason ( y þ a t (as I am noe m ar shall man |
will not take vpon mee to dyrect so dangerous affayers , affayres, | will not take vpon mee to dyrect so dangerous affayres, affayers , |
but onelye as I vnderstood by the purposes and | but onelye as I vnderstood by the purposes and |
plottes , w hi ch plottes, wch the Lo. Graye , Lo: Graye, who was well experie | plottes, wch plottes , w hi ch the Lo: Graye, Lo. Graye , who was well experie |
nced in that service against him did laye downe | nced in that service against him did laye downe |
To the p er formance whereof he onelie required a 1000 | To the p er formance whereof he onelie required a 1000 |
men , men, to bee be laid in fower garrisons , þ a garrisons, y t is at Balline | men, men , to be bee laid in fower garrisons, y garrisons , þ a t is at Balline |
corre . 200 foote ^ men to bee laid & 50 horse , w hi ch horse, wch should shutt | corre . 200 foote ^ men to bee laid & 50 horse, wch horse , w hi ch should shutt |
him out of his great glenn , glenn, whereto hee so | him out of his great glenn, glenn , whereto hee so |
much trusteth at knocklough 200 footemen and 50 : | much trusteth at knocklough 200 footemen and 50 : |
horse to answere the Countie of Carlo ; Carlo, Att Arklo | horse to answere the Countie of Carlo, Carlo ; Att Arklo |
Arkelo or Wicklo wicklo 200 footmen , footmen, to defend all that syde | Arkelo or wicklo Wicklo 200 footmen, footmen , to defend all that syde |
towardes | towardes |
Folio 78r 78r;; written "77" | 78r;; written "77" Folio 78r |
77 Towardes the Sea, in Shelelagh 100 footmen to defend all that | Towardes the Sea, in Shelelagh 100 footmen to defend all that 77 |
Towardes the Sea , in Shelelagh 100 footmen to defend all that syde towardes the sea wch should cutt him from the Cava | syde towardes the sea wch should cutt him from the Cava Towardes the Sea , in Shelelagh 100 footmen to defend all that |
syde towardes the sea naghes and the cou nty of w hi ch should cutt him from the Cava exford, And about the three Castles | naghes and the cou nty of syde towardes the sea w exford, And about the three Castles hi ch should cutt him from the Cava |
naghes and the cou ntye 50 horsmen, wch should defende, all the Cou nty of wexford , And about the three Castles Dubline, | 50 horsmen, wch should defende, all the Cou nty naghes and the cou ntye of Dubline, wexford , And about the three Castles |
50 horsmen , w hi ch and 100 : footemen at Talbottes towne wch should defende all the Cou ntye of Dubline , kepe him from | and 100 : footemen at Talbottes towne wch 50 horsmen , w hi ch should kepe him from defende all the Cou ntye of Dubline , |
breakinge into the Cou nty of Kyldare, and 100 footemen at Talbottes towne w hi ch should kepe him from bee alwaies on his | and bee alwaies on his 100 footemen at Talbottes towne w hi ch should kepe him from |
breakinge into the Cou ntye of Kyldare , and bee alwaies necke on his necke on that syde, The wch garrisons so lade will | necke breakinge into the Cou ntye of Kyldare , and bee alwaies on his necke on that syde, The wch garrisons so lade will |
so lade will busie him, y t he shall neu er rest at home, nor stirr forthe - | necke or his necke on that syde , The w hi ch garrisons so busie him, y t he shall neu er rest at home, nor stirr forthe - lade will |
so busie him , þ a t abroad, but he shall neu er rest at home , nor stirr forthe ~ shalbe had, As for his Creete they cannot be | abroad, but so busie him , þ a t he shalbe had, As for his Creete they cannot be shall neu er rest at home , nor stirr forthe ~ |
abroad , but he shalbe had , As for his Creete they cannot be | abroad , but he shalbe had , As for his Creete they cannot be |
aboue ground but they must needes fall into theire handes or | aboue ground but they must needes fall into theire handes or |
starue , starue, for he hath noe fastenes nor refuge for them or his | starue, starue , for he hath noe fastenes nor refuge for them or his |
p ar takers of the Mores Butlers and Cavanaghes , Cavanaghes, they will sone ~ - | p ar takers of the Mores Butlers and Cavanaghes, Cavanaghes , they will sone - ~ |
leaue him , him, when they see his fastenes and stronge places , places, thus | leaue him, him , when they see his fastenes and stronge places, places , thus |
taken from him : him: | taken from him: him : |
Eudox: Surelie this seemeth a plott of great reason and small small:. | Eudox: Surelie this seemeth a plott of great reason and small:. small |
defycultie , w hi ch defycultie, wch p ro miseth hope of a shorte ende , ende, but what ~ - | defycultie, wch defycultie , w hi ch p ro miseth hope of a shorte ende, ende , but what - ~ |
speciall dyrections will yee sett downe for the servyces | speciall dyrections will yee sett downe for the servyces |
and rysinge rysinges out of these garrisons garrisons:: | and rysinges rysinge out of these garrisons:: garrisons |
Iren Iren: None other then the p re sente occasyons shall minister vnto | Iren: Iren None other then the p re sente occasyons shall minister vnto |
them , them, and as by good spialls whereof there they cannot wast want | them, them , and as by good spialls whereof there they cannot wast want |
store , store, they shalbee drawen contynewalle contynewallie vpon him , him, so | store, store , they shalbee drawen contynewallie contynewalle vpon him, him , so |
as one of them should shalbe still vpon him , him, and sometimes | as one of them should shalbe still vpon him, him , and sometimes |
all at one Instant , Instant, bayt him , him, and this I assure yow myself my self | all at one Instant, Instant , bayt him, him , and this I assure yow my self myself |
will demaund noe longe tyme , tyme, but wilbee all fynished in the | will demaund noe longe tyme, tyme , but wilbee all fynished in the |
space of one yeare , w hi ch yeare, wch how small a thinge yt is vnto the | space of one yeare, wch yeare , w hi ch how small a thinge yt is vnto the |
eternall quietnes , w hi ch quietnes, wch shalbe thereby therby bee parchased purchased to þ a y t | eternall quietnes, wch quietnes , w hi ch shalbe therby thereby bee purchased parchased to y þ a t |
realme , realme, And the greate good w hi ch wch shall growe to her | realme, realme , And the greate good wch w hi ch shall growe to her |
ma jes tie should me thincke thinckes readelie drawe on her highnes , highnes, to the | ma jes tie should me thinckes thincke readelie drawe on her highnes, highnes , to the |
vndertaking vndertakinge of the enterprize : : : : enterprize:::: | vndertakinge vndertaking of the enterprize:::: enterprize : : : : |
Eudox: Ye haue verie well mee semes Irenius plotted a course | Eudox: Ye haue verie well mee semes Irenius plotted a course |
for the atcheivinge of these warrs , warrs, now in Ireland w hi ch wch seme | for the atcheivinge of these warrs, warrs , now in Ireland wch w hi ch seme |
to aske noe longe tyme nor greate charge , charge, so as the effectinge theffectinge | to aske noe longe tyme nor greate charge, charge , so as theffectinge the effectinge |
thereof , thereof, be comitted to men of some trust & some experience as well aswell | thereof, thereof , be comitted to men of some trust & some experience aswell as well |
in the same Countrie as in the mann er of those seruices . ffor seruices: For if yt bee | in the same Countrie as in the mann er of those seruices: For seruices . ffor if yt bee |
lefte in the handes of such rawe Captaines Captaines, as are vsuallie | lefte in the handes of such rawe Captaines, Captaines as are vsuallie |
sent ~ | sent ~ |
Folio 78v | Folio 78v |
sent out of England beinge thereto p re ferred onelye by frindshipp | sent out of England beinge thereto p re ferred onelye by frindshipp |
and not chosen by suffycientye yt will soone fall to ground : : ground:: | and not chosen by suffycientye yt will soone fall to ground:: ground : : |
Iren: Therefore it were meete (me (mee thinckes) þ a y t such Captains Captaines | Iren: Therefore it were meete (mee (me thinckes) y þ a t such Captaines Captains |
onelye were herevnto imployed , here vnto imployed, as haue form er lie serued in þ a y t | onelye were here vnto imployed, herevnto imployed , as haue form er lie serued in y þ a t |
Countrie and bene at least liveta nntes livete a n nn tes vnto theire Captaines there there: | Countrie and bene at least livete a n nn tes liveta nntes vnto theire Captaines there: there |
fore for otherwise beinge brought and transferred from other seruyces | for fore otherwise beinge brought and transferred from other seruyces |
abroad as in france in Spaine and in the lowe countries , countries, though | abroad as in france in Spaine and in the lowe countries, countries , though |
they bee of good experience , experience, they shall buy yt w i th great | they bee of good experience, experience , they shall buy yt w i th great |
losse to her ma jes tie , tie, eyther by hazardine hazardinge of there companies , companies, through | losse to her ma jes tie, tie , eyther by hazardinge hazardine of there companies, companies , through |
ignorance of the places and mann er of the Irishe shrvices , sh OB vices, or by | ignorance of the places and mann er of the Irishe sh OB vices, shrvices , or by |
losinge a great p ar te of the tyme w hi ch wch is required herevnto , herevnto, beinge | losinge a great p ar te of the tyme wch w hi ch is required herevnto, herevnto , beinge |
but shore shorte in w hi ch wch yt might bee fynished before they haue almost | but shorte shore in wch w hi ch yt might bee fynished before they haue almost |
taken out a newe lesson , lesson, or can tell what is to bee done : don n e: | taken out a newe lesson, lesson , or can tell what is to bee don n e: done : |
Eudox: Yow yow are noe good frind to new Captaines , Captaines, yt semes Ireni | Eudox: yow Yow are noe good frind to new Captaines, Captaines , yt semes Ireni |
us , þ a us, y t yow barr them from the Credite of this service : service: But to saye | us, y us , þ a t yow barr them from the Credite of this service: service : But to saye |
truth me thinckes yt were meete , meete, that any one before he come to bee | truth me thinckes yt were meete, meete , that any one before he come to bee |
a Captaine should haue bene a soldyer , soldyer, for Parere qui nescit | a Captaine should haue bene a soldyer, soldyer , for Parere qui nescit |
imparere , imparere, And before besydes , besydes, there is great wronge done | imparere, imparere , And before besydes, besydes , there is great wronge done |
to the old soldyer soldyor, from all meanes of advancem en t (w hi ch , (wch is due | to the old soldyor, soldyer , (wch from all meanes of advancem en t (w hi ch is due |
vnto him) is cutt of , of, by shufflinge in these newe Cutting | vnto him) is cutt of, of , by shufflinge in these newe Cutting |
captaines into there places , places, for w hi ch wch he hath longe serued , serued, & p er happs | captaines into there places, places , for wch w hi ch he hath longe serued, serued , & p er happs |
^ better deserued , deserued, But now that haue this thus thus (as I suppose fynished | ^ better deserued, deserued , But now that haue thus this thus (as I suppose fynished |
all the warr ; warr, and brought all thinges to that lowe ebb w hi ch ebb, wch | all the warr, warr ; and brought all thinges to that lowe ebb, wch ebb w hi ch |
yee speake : yee speake, what course will yee take for the bringinge in of | yee speake, yee speake : what course will yee take for the bringinge in of |
that reformacon , w hi ch reformac i on, wch yee intend and recou er inge all thinges fro m this | that reformac i on, wch reformacon , w hi ch yee intend and recou er inge all thinges fro m this |
dissolate state , state, in w hi ch wch mee thinc thin c kes I behould them now left vnto | dissolate state, state , in wch w hi ch mee thin c thinc kes I behould them now left vnto |
that p er fect establishm en t and newe comon com m on wealth w hi ch wch ye haue | that p er fect establishm en t and newe com m on comon wealth wch w hi ch ye haue |
Conceyved of w hi ch wth so greate good maye redownde to her | Conceyved of wth w hi ch so greate good maye redownde to her |
maiestie and in an assured peace be confirmed , confirmed, for þ a y t is | maiestie and in an assured peace be confirmed, confirmed , for y þ a t is |
yt wherevnto wee are yow now to looke and doe greatlie | yt wherevnto wee are now yow to looke and doe greatlie |
longe , for , longe, for, beinge longe sythence maid wearie , w i th wearie, wth the | longe, for, longe , for , beinge longe sythence maid wearie, wth wearie , w i th the |
huge charge , w hi ch charge, wch yee haue laid vpon vs , vs, and w i th wth the | huge charge, wch charge , w hi ch yee haue laid vpon vs, vs , and wth w i th the |
stonye endurance of so manye complaintes , so manye ~ complaintes, so manye - | stonye endurance of so manye complaintes, so manye - complaintes , so manye ~ |
delayes , delayes, so manye doubtes and dangers , dangers, as will hereof hereof: | delayes, delayes , so manye doubtes and dangers, dangers , as will hereof: hereof |
(I knowe | (I knowe |
Folio 79r 79r; written "78" | 79r; written "78" Folio 79r |
78 (I knowe well) a rise, vnto the wch before | (I knowe well) a rise, vnto the wch before 78 |
(I knowe well) arise , vnto the w hi ch before yow come, yt weere meete mee thinge thinckes | yow come, yt weere meete mee thinge thinckes (I knowe well) arise , vnto the w hi ch before |
that yow come , yt weere meete mee thinges thinckes should take some order for the -- | yow should take some order for the -- come , yt weere meete mee thinges thinckes |
that yow should take some order for the ~ ~ Soldyer, wch is now first to bee discharged | Soldyer, wch is now first to bee discharged that yow should take some order for the ~ ~ |
Soldyer , w hi ch is now first to bee discharged and disposed of some waye, the wch yf yow doe | and disposed of some waye, the wch yf yow doe Soldyer , w hi ch is now first to bee discharged |
and disposed of some waye , the w hi ch yf yo u r doe not well foresee maye growe to agreate | not well foresee maye growe to agreate and disposed of some waye , the w hi ch yf yo u r doe |
not well foresee maye growe to a greate | not well foresee maye growe to a greate |
inconvenience as all this that wee suppose | inconvenience as all this that wee suppose |
yow haue quitte vs from , from, by the loose leauinge | yow haue quitte vs from, from , by the loose leauinge |
of so manye thowsand Soldyers , w hi ch Soldyers, wch from | of so manye thowsand Soldyers, wch Soldyers , w hi ch from |
henceforth wilbe vnfytte for any labor | henceforth wilbe vnfytte for any labor |
or other trade , trade, but must eyther seeke ~ - | or other trade, trade , but must eyther seeke - ~ |
servyce and ymploym en t abroade w hi ch wch maye be | servyce and ymploym en t abroade wch w hi ch maye be |
dangerous , dangerous, or ells will p er happs ymploye them | dangerous, dangerous , or ells will p er happs ymploye them |
selues here at home as maye bee ~ - | selues here at home as maye bee - ~ |
discomodyous discomodyous: | discomodyous: discomodyous |
Iren: Yow saye verie true , true, and yt is a thinge athinge | Iren: Yow saye verie true, true , and yt is athinge a thinge |
much mislyked in our Comon wealth , Com m on wealth, that noe | much mislyked in our Com m on wealth, Comon wealth , that noe |
better Course is taken , taken, for such as haue bene | better Course is taken, taken , for such as haue bene |
ymployed once in service , service, but that retur | ymployed once in service, service , but that retur |
ninge whether maymed , maymed, and so vnable to labor | ninge whether maymed, maymed , and so vnable to labor |
or other wise though hale hole and sound . sound, yett | or other wise though hole hale and sound, sound . yett |
afterwardes vnwillinge to worke , worke, or | afterwardes vnwillinge to worke, worke , or |
rather willinge to make worke for the | rather willinge to make worke for the |
hangeman But that nedeth another | hangeman But that nedeth another |
Consideration | Consideration |
Folio 79v | Folio 79v |
Consideracon : Consideracon: but to this that | Consideracon: Consideracon : but to this that |
turne to the other syd | turne to the other syd |
Folio 80r written in bottom right corner: that | written in bottom right corner: that Folio 80r |
79 80r; written "79" | 80r; written "79" 79 |
that wee haue now in hande , hande, yt is farr from my meaninge | that wee haue now in hande, hande , yt is farr from my meaninge |
to leaue the soldyer , soldyer, so at randome , randome, or to leaue that | to leaue the soldyer, soldyer , so at randome, randome , or to leaue that |
wast waist place realme so weake and destitute of strength | waist wast place realme so weake and destitute of strength |
w hi ch wch maye both defende yt against others that mighte | wch w hi ch maye both defende yt against others that mighte |
seeke to sett vpon yt , yt, and also kepe yt from that relapse | seeke to sett vpon yt, yt , and also kepe yt from that relapse |
w hi ch wch I before did forecast : ffor forecast: For yt is one speciall special good | wch w hi ch I before did forecast: For forecast : ffor yt is one special speciall good |
of this plott w hi ch plott, wch I would deuise , deuise, that six thowsand | of this plott, wch plott w hi ch I would deuise, deuise , that six thowsand |
soldyers of these whome I haue now ymployed in that | soldyers of these whome I haue now ymployed in that |
seruice seruice, and made throughlie acquainted both w i th wth | seruice, seruice and made throughlie acquainted both wth w i th |
the state of the Countrie and manners of the | the state of the Countrie and manners of the |
people , people, should henceforthe be still contynewed and | people, people , should henceforthe be still contynewed and |
for ever maintayned of the Countrye w i th out Countrye, wthout any | for ever maintayned of the Countrye, wthout Countrye w i th out any |
charge to her ma jes tie . tie, And the rest that rest that | charge to her ma jes tie, tie . And the rest that rest that |
either are ould and vnable to serue longer or | either are ould and vnable to serue longer or |
willinge to fall to thrifte thrifte, (as I haue sene | willinge to fall to thrifte, thrifte (as I haue sene |
manye soldyers after theire service to proue | manye soldyers after theire service to proue |
verie good husbandes ) husbandes) should bee placed in p ar te of | verie good husbandes) husbandes ) should bee placed in p ar te of |
the landes by them won n , at such rate or rather | the landes by them won n , at such rate or rather |
better then others , others, to whom the same shalbe sett | better then others, others , to whom the same shalbe sett |
out | out |
Eudox: Eudox : Is it yt possible Iren Iren: , Can there bee any | Eudox : Eudox: Is yt it possible Iren: Iren , Can there bee any |
such meanes deuized that so manye men should | such meanes deuized that so manye men should |
bee kepte still for her ma jes ties service w i th out service, wthout | bee kepte still for her ma jes ties service, wthout service w i th out |
any charge to her at all , all, Surelie this were an | any charge to her at all, all , Surelie this were an |
exceding excedinge greate good both to her heighnes , too heighnes, to | excedinge exceding greate good both to her heighnes, to heighnes , too |
haue so manye ould soldyers ^ alwaies readye at call | haue so manye ould soldyers ^ alwaies readye at call |
to what purpose soever so ever shee list ymployethem : ymploye them: | to what purpose so ever soever shee list ymploye them: ymployethem : |
And also to haue that land thereby so strengthned | And also to haue that land thereby so strengthned |
that yt shall neither feare any forreine inva | that yt shall neither feare any forreine inva |
sion nor practize wth w hi ch wch the Irishe shall ever | sion nor practize wth wch w hi ch the Irishe shall ever |
attempte , attempte, but shall kepe them vnder incontynewall in contynewall | attempte, attempte , but shall kepe them vnder in contynewall incontynewall |
awe awe, and firme obedyence obedyence:: | awe, awe and firme obedyence:: obedyence |
Iren: It is so indeed , in deed, and yett this take taile trulie I doe | Iren: It is so in deed, indeed , and yett this taile take trulie I doe |
not take to be any matter of greate diffycultie diffycultie, as | not take to be any matter of greate diffycultie, diffycultie as |
I thincke | I thincke |
Folio 80v | Folio 80v |
I thincke yt will also soone appeare vnto yo u r : yow: And first | I thincke yt will also soone appeare vnto yow: yo u r : And first |
wee will speake of the North p ar te , te, for that the same | wee will speake of the North p ar te, te , for that the same |
is of most waight and ymportance , ymportance, So soone as yt | is of most waight and ymportance, ymportance , So soone as yt |
shall appeare that the enemye is brought downe | shall appeare that the enemye is brought downe |
and the stoute rebell eyther cutt of or dryven to that | and the stoute rebell eyther cutt of or dryven to that |
wretchednes that he is noe longer able to hold holde vpp | wretchednes that he is noe longer able to holde hold vpp |
hand , hand, but will come into any condycons w hi ch condyc i ons wch I assure | hand, hand , but will come into any condyc i ons wch condycons w hi ch I assure |
yow my self wilbee before thende of the seconde | yow my self wilbee before thende of the seconde |
wynter , wynter, I wishe that theire bee a gen agen er all p ro clama | wynter, wynter , I wishe that theire bee agen a gen er all p ro clama |
con made , made, that what so ever whatsoever outlawes will freelie | con made, made , that whatsoever what so ever outlawes will freelie |
come in and submite them selues to her ma jes ties m er cie | come in and submite them selues to her ma jes ties m er cie |
shall haue libertie so to doe doe, where they shall | shall haue libertie so to doe, doe where they shall |
eyther fynde that grace they desyre desyre, or retur ne return | eyther fynde that grace they desyre, desyre or return retur ne |
againe in saiftye vpon w hi ch wch it is likelie that so | againe in saiftye vpon wch w hi ch it is likelie that so |
manye as surviue will come in to sue for grace | manye as surviue will come in to sue for grace |
of w hi ch wch who so are thought fytte meetest meete fytte for subiection and fytte to bee | of wch w hi ch who so are thought meete fytte fytte meetest for subiection and fytte to bee |
brought to good maye bee receaved or ells all of | brought to good maye bee receaved or ells all of |
them , them, for I thincke that albe wilbe but a verie fewe , averie fewe, | them, them , for I thincke that albe wilbe but averie fewe, a verie fewe , |
vpon Condycon , Condycon, and assurance that they will submit | vpon Condycon, Condycon , and assurance that they will submit |
them selues absolutelie to her ma jes ties ordynance for | them selues absolutelie to her ma jes ties ordynance for |
them , them, by w hi ch wch they shalbe assured of lyfe and libertie | them, them , by wch w hi ch they shalbe assured of lyfe and libertie |
and bee onelie tyed to such condycons as shalbe | and bee onelie tyed to such condycons as shalbe |
thought by her meete , meete, for contayninge them ever | thought by her meete, meete , for contayninge them ever |
after in due obedyence obedyence: To the w hi ch wch Condycons I | after in due obedyence: obedyence To the wch w hi ch Condycons I |
nothinge doubte but that they this will all most ~ -- | nothinge doubte but that this they will all most -- ~ |
readylie and vpon theire knees submitte them | readylie and vpon theire knees submitte them |
selues , selues, by the proof of that w hi ch wch I sawe in | selues, selues , by the proof of that wch w hi ch I sawe in |
Mounster . for vpon the like p ro clamacon clamac i on there | Mounster . for vpon the like p ro clamac i on clamacon there |
they all came in tagge and ragge and when | they all came in tagge and ragge and when |
as afterwardes manie of them were denyed to | as afterwardes manie of them were denyed to |
bee receaued , receaued, they badd them doe w i th wth them what | bee receaued, receaued , they badd them doe wth w i th them what |
they would | they would |
Folio 81r 81r; written "80" | 81r; written "80" Folio 81r |
80 they would by noe meanes returne againe, nor goe | they would by noe meanes returne againe, nor goe 80 |
they would by noe meanes returne againe , nor goe forthe, for in that case who will not accepte almost | forthe, for in that case who will not accepte almost they would by noe meanes returne againe , nor goe |
forthe , for in that case who will not accepte almost of anye Condycons, rather then dye of hunger and | of anye Condycons, rather then dye of hunger and forthe , for in that case who will not accepte almost |
of any Condycons , rather then dye of hunger and myserie:: | myserie:: of any Condycons , rather then dye of hunger and |
myserie : : Eudox: It is verie likelie so, but what then is the | Eudox: It is verie likelie so, but what then is the myserie : : |
Eudox: It is verie likelie so , but ordynance, and what then is bee the Condycons wch yow | ordynance, and Eudox: It is verie likelie so , but what bee then is the Condycons wch yow |
ordynance and what bee the Condycons w hi ch yow will propose vnto them, that shall reserue vnto | will propose vnto them, that shall reserue vnto ordynance and what bee the Condycons w hi ch yow |
them , that shall reserue vnto an assurance of lyfe and lybertie: | will propose vnto them an assurance of lyfe and lybertie: , that shall reserue vnto |
them an assurance of lyfe and lybertie : | them an assurance of lyfe and lybertie : |
Iren: So soone then as they haue gyven the best | Iren: So soone then as they haue gyven the best |
assurance of lyfe and libertie them selues w hi ch wch | assurance of lyfe and libertie them selues wch w hi ch |
maye bee required w hi ch required, wch must bee I suppose some | maye bee required, wch required w hi ch must bee I suppose some |
of theire principall men to remaine in hostage | of theire principall men to remaine in hostage |
one of another , another, and some other for the rest rest, (for | one of another, another , and some other for the rest, rest (for |
other suertie I recken of none that maye bynd | other suertie I recken of none that maye bynd |
them , them, neyther of wyfe nor of Children , Children, since | them, them , neyther of wyfe nor of Children, Children , since |
then p er happs they would gladlie bee rydd of both | then p er happs they would gladlie bee rydd of both |
from the famyne famyne) I would haue them first | from the famyne) famyne I would haue them first |
vnarmed vtterlie vtterlie, and stripte quite of all there | vnarmed vtterlie, vtterlie and stripte quite of all there |
warlike weapons , weapons, and then these Condicons sett | warlike weapons, weapons , and then these Condicons sett |
downe and made knowen vnto them , them, that they | downe and made knowen vnto them, them , that they |
shalbe brought and removed w i th wth such creete | shalbe brought and removed wth w i th such creete |
as they haue haiue into lymster , lymster, where they shalbe | as they haiue haue into lymster, lymster , where they shalbe |
placed , placed, and haue land gyven them to occupye and | placed, placed , and haue land gyven them to occupye and |
lyve vpon in such sorte as shalbe come good subiectes | lyve vpon in such sorte as shalbe come good subiectes |
to labour thence forth thenceforth, for theire lyvinge , lyvinge, and to | to labour thenceforth, thence forth for theire lyvinge, lyvinge , and to |
applye them selues vnto honest trades of Civillitie | applye them selues vnto honest trades of Civillitie |
as they shall eu er ie one bee found meete and able for : for: | as they shall eu er ie one bee found meete and able for: for : |
Eudox: Where then a godes agodes name will ye place | Eudox: Where then agodes a godes name will ye place |
them in s Lynster , S Lynster, or will yow fynde out any newe | them in S Lynster, s Lynster , or will yow fynde out any newe |
land there for them that is yett vnknowen : vnknowen:: | land there for them that is yett vnknowen:: vnknowen : |
Iren: Noe I will place them in all the Countrye of | Iren: Noe I will place them in all the Countrye of |
the Byrnes and Tooles w hi ch Tooles, wch feagh mc m c Hugh hath | the Byrnes and Tooles, wch Tooles w hi ch feagh m c mc Hugh hath |
and in all the landes of the Cavanaghes w hi ch wch are | and in all the landes of the Cavanaghes wch w hi ch are |
now in | now in |
Folio 81v | Folio 81v |
nowe in Rebellyon , Rebellyon, and all the landes w hi ch well wch will fall to her ma herma jes tie | nowe in Rebellyon, Rebellyon , and all the landes wch will w hi ch well fall to herma her ma jes tie |
there aboutes , w hi ch aboutes, wch I knowe to bee verie spacio spaci o us and large ~ large- | there aboutes, wch aboutes , w hi ch I knowe to bee verie spaci o spacio us and large- large ~ |
yeanough to contayne them , them, beinge verie nere twentye | yeanough to contayne them, them , beinge verie nere twentye |
or thirtie myles wyde : wyde: | or thirtie myles wyde: wyde : |
Eudox: But what then will ye doe w i th wth all the Byrnes the | Eudox: But what then will ye doe wth w i th all the Byrnes the |
Tooles and the Cavanaghes , Cavanaghes, and all those that now are | Tooles and the Cavanaghes, Cavanaghes , and all those that now are |
wyned w i th them : ioyned wth them: | ioyned wth them: wyned w i th them : |
Iren: At the same verie tyme and in the same mann er that I | Iren: At the same verie tyme and in the same mann er that I |
make that I make that proclamacon to them of Vlster Vlster, | make that I make that proclamacon to them of Vlster, Vlster |
will I also haue yt made to these , these, and vpon there | will I also haue yt made to these, these , and vpon there |
submission there vnto therevnto I will take lyke assurance | submission therevnto there vnto I will take lyke assurance |
of them as of thother in Vlster w i th wth theire Creete | of them as of thother in Vlster wth w i th theire Creete |
and what elce they haue lefte them , them, the w hi ch wch I will | and what elce they haue lefte them, them , the wch w hi ch I will |
cause to be deuided amongst them in some meete sorte | cause to be deuided amongst them in some meete sorte |
as each maye thereby haue some what to sustaine | as each maye thereby haue some what to sustaine |
him self a while w i th all awhile wthall vntill by his further | him self awhile wthall a while w i th all vntill by his further |
travell and labor of the earth he shalbe able | travell and labor of the earth he shalbe able |
to provide him self better : : better:: | to provide him self better:: better : : |
Eudox : Eudox: But will yow then giue the lande freelie vnto the m | Eudox: Eudox : But will yow then giue the lande freelie vnto the m |
and make them heires of the form er Rebells , Rebells, so | and make them heires of the form er Rebells, Rebells , so |
may yow p er happs make them heires also of theire | may yow p er happs make them heires also of theire |
form er villaines villanies and disorders , disorders, or how elce will | form er villanies villaines and disorders, disorders , or how elce will |
yow dispose of them . them: | yow dispose of them: them . |
Iren: Not so , so, but all the landes I will v giue vnto | Iren: Not so, so , but all the landes I will v giue vnto |
Englishe men , men, whom I will haue drawne thither | Englishe men, men , whom I will haue drawne thither |
who shall haue the same w i th wth such estates as ~ - | who shall haue the same wth w i th such estates as - ~ |
shalbe thought meete , meete, and for such rent as shalbe shalle | shalbe thought meete, meete , and for such rent as shalle shalbe |
eftesoones bee rated , rated, vnder eu er ie of those Englishe | eftesoones bee rated, rated , vnder eu er ie of those Englishe |
men will I place some of those Irishe to bee | men will I place some of those Irishe to bee |
the tennantes , the tennantes, for a certaine acertaine rent according to the | the tennantes, the tennantes , for acertaine a certaine rent according to the |
quantitie of such ofsuch lande as eu er ie man shall haue | quantitie ofsuch of such lande as eu er ie man shall haue |
allotted vnto him him, and shalbe found albe able to weeld , | allotted vnto him, him , and shalbe found able albe to weeld |
wherein | wherein |
Folio 82r 82r; written "81" | 82r; written "81" Folio 82r |
81 wherein this speciall regarde shalbe had, that in | wherein this speciall regarde shalbe had, that in 81 |
wherein this speciall regarde shalbe had , that in | wherein this speciall regarde shalbe had , that in |
noe place vnder any landlorde there shall remaine | noe place vnder any landlorde there shall remaine |
of them planted togeather , togeather, but disp er sed wyde | of them planted togeather, togeather , but disp er sed wyde |
from theire acquaintances , acquaintances, and scattred farr a | from theire acquaintances, acquaintances , and scattred farr a |
broade through all the Countrie , ffor Countrie, For that is | broade through all the Countrie, For Countrie , ffor that is |
the euill w hi ch wch I nowe fynde in all Ireland , Ireland, that | the euill wch w hi ch I nowe fynde in all Ireland, Ireland , that |
the Irishe dwell altogeather by theire septes | the Irishe dwell altogeather by theire septes |
and sou seu er all nacons , nacons, so as they maye practise | and seu sou er all nacons, nacons , so as they maye practise |
or conspyre what they will , will, whereas yf there | or conspyre what they will, will , whereas yf there |
wore were Englishe shedd amongst them and placed | were wore Englishe shedd amongst them and placed |
over them they should not bee able once to styrr or | over them they should not bee able once to styrr or |
mvrmure , mvrmure, but that yt should bee knowne , knowne, and | mvrmure, mvrmure , but that yt should bee knowne, knowne , and |
they shortened accordinge to there demerites : demerites: | they shortened accordinge to there demerites: demerites : |
Eudox Eudox: Ye haue good reason , reason, but what rating | Eudox: Eudox Ye haue good reason, reason , but what rating |
of rentes meane yow to what ende doe yow purpose | of rentes meane yow to what ende doe yow purpose |
the same : : same:: | the same:: same : : |
Iren: My purpose is to rate the rente of all those | Iren: My purpose is to rate the rente of all those |
landes of her ma jes tie in such sorte vnto those | landes of her ma jes tie in such sorte vnto those |
Englishe men as shall take them as they maye | Englishe men as shall take them as they maye |
bee well able to lyve therevpon , therevpon, yeildinge her | bee well able to lyve therevpon, therevpon , yeildinge her |
ma jes tie a reasonable cheiferie and also giue a | ma jes tie a reasonable cheiferie and also giue a |
Competente maintenance vnto the garrissons | Competente maintenance vnto the garrissons |
w hi ch wch shall there bee lefte amongst them . ffor them. For | wch w hi ch shall there bee lefte amongst them. For them . ffor |
these soldyers , soldyors, (as I tould you yow remayninge of the | these soldyors, soldyers , (as I tould yow you remayninge of the |
form er garrisons , garrisons, I caste to . OB maintaine vpon ^ vpon the rent of those | form er garrisons, garrisons , I caste to OB . maintaine vpon vpon ^ the rent of those |
landes w hi ch wch shalbe excheated , excheated, and to haue them | landes wch w hi ch shalbe excheated, excheated , and to haue them |
deuided through all Ireland , Ireland, in such places as | deuided through all Ireland, Ireland , in such places as |
shalbe thought most conveniente , conveniente, and occasion | shalbe thought most conveniente, conveniente , and occasion |
maye require , require, And this was the Course of | maye require, require , And this was the Course of |
the Romaines obserued in the Conquest of England | the Romaines obserued in the Conquest of England |
for they planted of theire legions in all places - | for they planted of theire legions in all places - |
Convenient | Convenient |
Folio 82v | Folio 82v |
Conveninet the w hi ch Conveniente the wch they caused the Countrie to maintaine | Conveniente the wch Conveninet the w hi ch they caused the Countrie to maintaine |
cuttinge vpon eu er ie porcon of all land a reasonable rente | cuttinge vpon eu er ie porcon of all land a reasonable rente |
w hi ch wch they called Romescot. Romescot e the w hi ch wch might not surcharge | wch w hi ch they called Romescot e Romescot. the wch w hi ch might not surcharge |
the Tennante or freeholdyer , freeholdyer, and defraye the pay | the Tennante or freeholdyer, freeholdyer , and defraye the pay |
of the garrison : garrison: And this hath bene alwayes | of the garrison: garrison : And this hath bene alwayes |
obserued in all places princes in all Countries to | obserued in all places princes in all Countries to |
them newlie subdued to sett garrisons amongst | them newlie subdued to sett garrisons amongst |
them to Containe them in duetie , duetie, whose burden they | them to Containe them in duetie, duetie , whose burden they |
made them to beare beare, And the wante of this ondy ordy | made them to beare, beare And the wante of this ordy ondy |
nance in the first Conqueste of Ireland , Ireland, by | nance in the first Conqueste of Ireland, Ireland , by |
Henrye the second was the cause of the so shorte | Henrye the second was the cause of the so shorte |
decaye of that gou er ern m en t , and the quicke recou er ie againe | decaye of that gou ern er m en t , and the quicke recou er ie againe |
of the Irishe . Irishe: Therefore by all meanes yt is to | of the Irishe: Irishe . Therefore by all meanes yt is to |
bee prouided for : for: And this is yt that I would blame | bee prouided for: for : And this is yt that I would blame |
(yfyt (yf yt should not misbecome me ) me), in the late plan | (yf yt (yfyt should not misbecome me), me ) in the late plan |
tinge of mvnster , Mvnster, that noe care was had of | tinge of Mvnster, mvnster , that noe care was had of |
this ordynance , ordynance, nor any strength of a garrison ~ ~ garrison, -- | this ordynance, ordynance , nor any strength of a garrison, -- garrison ~ ~ |
pruvyded for : provyded for: by a certaine allowance out of all | provyded for: pruvyded for : by a certaine allowance out of all |
the saide landes , landes, but onelye the p re sent profytt | the saide landes, landes , but onelye the p re sent profytt |
looked vnto , vnto, and the saif Contynewance thereof | looked vnto, vnto , and the saif Contynewance thereof |
ever hereafter neglected : here after neglected: | ever here after neglected: hereafter neglected : |
Eudox: But there is a band aband of soldyors laid in Mounster | Eudox: But there is aband a band of soldyors laid in Mounster |
to the maintenance of w hi ch , wch, what oddes is there | to the maintenance of wch, w hi ch , what oddes is there |
or that whe there the Quene receyvethinge receyveth inge the rente of | or that whe there the Quene receyveth inge receyvethinge the rente of |
the Countrie Countrie, doe guie giue paye at her pleasure , or pleasure, Or | the Countrie, Countrie doe giue guie paye at her pleasure, Or pleasure , or |
that there bee a settled , asettled allowance appointed vnto | that there bee , asettled a settled allowance appointed vnto |
them out of her landes there : there:, | them out of her landes there:, there : |
Iren: There is greate oddis , ffor now , oddes, For now, that said rent of | Iren: There is greate oddes, For now, oddis , ffor now , that said rent of |
the Countrie is not vusuallie vsuallie applyed to the paye | the Countrie is not vsuallie vusuallie applyed to the paye |
paye of the soldyers , soldyers, But yt is (eu er ie other occasi on occasio n | paye of the soldyers, soldyers , But yt is (eu er ie other occasio n occasi on |
cominge betwene , betwene, converted to other vses , vses, and | cominge betwene, betwene , converted to other vses, vses , and |
the soldyer in tymes of peace discharged , and | the soldyer in tymes of peace discharged , and |
neglected as vnnecessarie , vnnecessarie, where as , as, yf the said | neglected as vnnecessarie, vnnecessarie , where as, as , yf the said |
Rent were | Rent were |
Folio 83r 83r; written "82" | 83r; written "82" Folio 83r |
Rente were appointed and ordayned by astablishment a stablishment | Rente were appointed and ordayned by a stablishment astablishment |
to this ende onelie , onelie, it should bee so troubled w i th wth | to this ende onelie, onelie , it should bee so troubled wth w i th |
sendinge eu ou er newe soldyers as shee now is is, nor | sendinge ou eu er newe soldyers as shee now is, is nor |
the Countrie eu er should dare to mutine , mutine, having | the Countrie eu er should dare to mutine, mutine , having |
still the soldyer in theire necke , necke, nor any farther further | still the soldyer in theire necke, necke , nor any further farther |
forreyne Enemie , Enemie, dare to in vade , Knowing ~ vade, knowing - | forreyne Enemie, Enemie , dare to in vade, knowing - vade , Knowing ~ |
there so stronge a garryson , agarryson, alwayes redye to | there so stronge agarryson, a garryson , alwayes redye to |
receyve them him : | receyve them him : |
Eudox: Sith then ye thincke this Romescott of the | Eudox: Sith then ye thincke this Romescott of the |
paye of the soldyer vpon the land to bee both the ~ | paye of the soldyer vpon the land to bee both the ~ |
redyest waye to the soldyer , soldyer, and lesse troublesome troblesome | redyest waye to the soldyer, soldyer , and lesse troblesome troublesome |
to hir ma jes tie , tell vs I praye yow yow, how ye would | to hir ma jes tie tell vs I praye yow, yow , how ye would |
haue the said landes rated , rated, that both a rente maye | haue the said landes rated, rated , that both a rente maye |
cesse the said landes rente and allowance , allowance, yssuinge | cesse the said landes rente and allowance, allowance , yssuinge |
thereout : there out: Vlster as the Auncient recordes , recordes, of | there out: thereout : Vlster as the Auncient recordes, recordes , of |
that realme doe restefye , testefye, doth containe Nyne | that realme doe testefye, restefye , doth containe Nyne |
thowsand plowe landes , landes, eu er ie of w hi ch plowlandes , contey wch plowlandes, contay | thowsand plowe landes, landes , eu er ie of wch plowlandes, contay w hi ch plowlandes , contey |
neth six score acres , acres, after the rate of xxj foote | neth six score acres, acres , after the rate of xxj foote |
to eu er ie pearch of the said Acree w hi ch Acree, wch amounteth | to eu er ie pearch of the said Acree, wch Acree w hi ch amounteth |
in the whole vnto ... vnto: 124 1240000 acres , acres, Every of | in the whole vnto: 124 vnto ... 1240000 acres, acres , Every of |
w hi ch wch plowe landes I will rate at xlvjs gd xlvj s 8 d | wch w hi ch plowe landes I will rate at xlvj s 8 d xlvjs gd |
by the yere , w hi ch yere, wch is not much more then jd j d ob an | by the yere, wch yere , w hi ch is not much more then j d jd ob an |
acree , acree, the w hi ch wch yerelie rente amounteth to in | acree, acree , the wch w hi ch yerelie rente amounteth to in |
the whole to xxiij mli xviij m l. , But because the Countie | the whole to xviij m l. xxiij mli , But because the Countie |
of Louth beinge a p ar te of Vlster and contayning | of Louth beinge a p ar te of Vlster and contayning |
in yt vijl vij l and xij plowlandes , plowlandes, is not wholie to excheate | in yt vij l vijl and xij plowlandes, plowlandes , is not wholie to excheate |
vnto her ma jes tie , as the rest , rest, they havinge in all ~ - | vnto her ma jes tie , as the rest, rest , they havinge in all - ~ |
these warres contynewed , contynewed, for the most p ar te due | these warres contynewed, contynewed , for the most p ar te due |
tifull , tifull, though otherwise a greate agreate p ar te thereof | tifull, tifull , though otherwise agreate a greate p ar te thereof |
is now vnder the Rebells to be made here out of iiij C l or v C , there is an abatem en t plowlandes | to be made here out of iiij C l or v C is now vnder the Rebells , plowlandes there is an abatem en t |
as I estymate the same, the wch are not to be made here out of iiij Cl or vC plowlandes pay | to pay be made here out of iiij Cl or vC plowlandes |
as I estymate the same , the w hi ch are not to pay | as I estymate the same , the w hi ch are not to pay |
the whole | the whole |
Folio 83v | Folio 83v |
the whole yerelie rente of xls ^ xl s out of eu er ie plowland , plowland, lyke | the whole yerelie rente of xl s xls ^ out of eu er ie plowland, plowland , lyke |
as the excheated landes doe but yett shall paye | as the excheated landes doe but yett shall paye |
for there Composition of Cesse towardes the ~ - | for there Composition of Cesse towardes the - ~ |
maintenance of the soldyer , xxs soldyer, xx s out of eu er y plowe | maintenance of the soldyer, xx s soldyer , xxs out of eu er y plowe |
lande , lande, so as there is to be deducted out of the form er | lande, lande , so as there is to be deducted out of the form er |
some ij or iijCl iij C l yerelie the w hi ch wch may never the | some ij or iij C l iijCl yerelie the wch w hi ch may never the |
lesse bee supplyde w i th supplyed wth by the rent of the fishing fishinge | lesse bee supplyed wth supplyde w i th by the rent of the fishinge fishing |
w hi ch wch are excedinge greate in Vlster , Vlster, and also | wch w hi ch are excedinge greate in Vlster, Vlster , and also |
by an increase of rente in the best landes , landes, and | by an increase of rente in the best landes, landes , and |
those that lye in the best places nere the seacoste | those that lye in the best places nere the seacoste |
The w hi ch The, wch eightene thowsand plowe poundes , pl OB e poundes, will | The, wch The w hi ch eightene thowsand pl OB e poundes, plowe poundes , will |
defraye the entertainem en t of xvC xv C soldyers w i th wth some | defraye the entertainem en t of xv C xvC soldyers wth w i th some |
overplus toward the paye of the victualls , w hi ch victualls, wch are to | overplus toward the paye of the victualls, wch victualls , w hi ch are to |
bee imployed in victuallinge of these garrisons : garrisons: | bee imployed in victuallinge of these garrisons: garrisons : |
Eudox: So then be like belike yee meane to leaue xvC xv C soldyers | Eudox: So then belike be like yee meane to leaue xv C xvC soldyers |
in garrison , garrison, for Vlster to bee paid p ri ncipallie r incipallie out of | in garrison, garrison , for Vlster to bee paid p r incipallie ri ncipallie out of |
the rente of those landes w hi ch wch shall there excheate excheat | the rente of those landes wch w hi ch shall there excheat excheate |
vnto her ma jes tie , The w hi ch wch where I praye yow will | vnto her ma jes tie , The wch w hi ch where I praye yow will |
yow haue garrisond : garrisond: | yow haue garrisond: garrisond : |
Iren: I will haue them deuided into three p ar tes tes, that is vC v C | Iren: I will haue them deuided into three p ar tes, tes that is v C vC |
in everie garrizon , garrizon, the w hi ch wch I will haue to remaine | in everie garrizon, garrizon , the wch w hi ch I will haue to remaine |
in three of the said places , places, where they weree weree, | in three of the said places, places , where they weree, weree |
before appointed , appointed, to weete , vC weete, v C at Straban and | before appointed, appointed , to weete, v C weete , vC at Straban and |
about Loghfoyle Logh foyle, and so as they maye holde all the passages | about Logh foyle, Loghfoyle and so as they maye holde all the passages |
of that p ar te of the Countrie , Countrie, and some of them bee putt | of that p ar te of the Countrie, Countrie , and some of them bee putt |
in wardes inwardes vpon all the straightes there aboutes , w hi ch thereaboutes, wch I | inwardes in wardes vpon all the straightes thereaboutes, wch there aboutes , w hi ch I |
know to bee such as maye stope stopp all passages into the | know to bee such as maye stopp stope all passages into the |
Countrie on that syde , syde, and some of them also vpon | Countrie on that syde, syde , and some of them also vpon |
the Ban vpp towardes loghsydiney loghsydney as I form er lie | the Ban vpp towardes loghsydney loghsydiney as I form er lie |
dyrected . dyrected, Also other vC v C at the Logh forte vpon | dyrected, dyrected . Also other v C vC at the Logh forte vpon |
Logh Earne Earne, and wardes taken out of them , w hi ch ~ them, wch - | Logh Earne, Earne and wardes taken out of them, wch - them , w hi ch ~ |
shalbe layde | shalbe layde |
Folio 84r 84r; written "83" | 84r; written "83" Folio 84r |
83 shalbe laid at fermanagh at Belicke, at Ballyshanno n , | shalbe laid at fermanagh at Belicke, at Ballyshanno n , 83 |
shalbe laid at sermanagh at Belicke , at Ballyshanno and on all the straightes towardes Connagh, the | and on all the straightes towardes Connagh, the shalbe laid at sermanagh at Belicke , at Ballyshanno |
and on wch I knowe doe so strongelie Com m aund all the straightes towardes Connagh , the - | wch I knowe doe so strongelie Com m aund and on all the - straightes towardes Connagh , the |
w hi ch I knowe passages, that maye as that now none can doe so strongelie Comand all the ~ passe, | passages, that maye as that now none can w hi ch I knowe doe passe, so strongelie Comand all the ~ |
passages , that maye as that now none can doe passe , from Vlster into Connaght wthout theire leaue | from Vlster into Connaght wthout theire leaue passages , that maye as that now none can doe passe , |
from Vlster into Connaght w i th out The last v C , shall also remaine at theire leaue fortes | The last v C , shall also remaine at from Vlster into Connaght w i th out theire fortes leaue |
The last vC shall also remaine at theire fortes in Monoghan, and some of them bee drawen into | in Monoghan, and some of them bee drawen into The last vC shall also remaine at theire fortes |
in Monoghan and some wardes, to kepe the keyes of them bee drawen into all that Countrie | wardes, to kepe the keyes in Monoghan and some of all that Countrie them bee drawen into |
wardes , to kepe the keyes of all that both Downewardes and also towardes Orelies Countrie | both Downewardes and also towardes Orelies wardes , to kepe the keyes of all that Countrie |
and also towardes Orelies Countrie the pale as some at Eniskilline, some at | both downe wardes and the pale as some at Eniskilline, some at also towardes Orelies Countrie |
Belterberte, some at the pale as some at Eniskilline , some at Blacke forte, and so along | and so along the Blacke forte, pale as some at Eniskilline , some at |
Belterberte , some at the Blacke forte , and so along | Belterberte , some at the Blacke forte , and so along |
that ryver as I form er lie shewed in the first | that ryver as I form er lie shewed in the first |
plantinge of them , them, And more over at eu er ie of these | plantinge of them, them , And more over at eu er ie of these |
fortes fortes, I would haue the state of a towne layde | fortes, fortes I would haue the state of a towne layde |
forth forth, and in compassed , compassed, in the w hi ch wch I would wishe | forth, forth and in compassed, compassed , in the wch w hi ch I would wishe |
that theire should Inhabytantes of all ofall sortes or | that theire should Inhabytantes ofall of all sortes or |
m er chantes Artyfycers and husbanmen to bee placed | m er chantes Artyfycers and husbanmen to bee placed |
to whom there should Charters and ffranchises Franchises | to whom there should Charters and Franchises ffranchises |
bee granted to incorporate them the w hi ch wch as yt | bee granted to incorporate them the wch w hi ch as yt |
is wilbe noe matter of deffycultie to drawe | is wilbe noe matter of deffycultie to drawe |
out of England p er sons w hi ch wch wold verie gladlie | out of England p er sons wch w hi ch wold verie gladlie |
bee so placed , placed, so would yt in shorte spaces space | bee so placed, placed , so would yt in shorte space spaces |
turne those p ar tes to greate comodytie , and ~ ~ - | turne those p ar tes to greate comodytie , and - ~ ~ |
bringe ere long to her ma jes tie much profytte for | bringe ere long to her ma jes tie much profytte for |
those places , places, are so fytte for trade and traffyque | those places, places , are so fytte for trade and traffyque |
havinge most convenient out gates outgates by ryvers to | havinge most convenient outgates out gates by ryvers to |
thee sea and ingates to the rytchest p ar te of | thee sea and ingates to the rytchest p ar te of |
the lande , lande, that they would soone bee enriched | the lande, lande , that they would soone bee enriched |
and mightelie enlarged , enlarged, for the verie seating | and mightelie enlarged, enlarged , for the verie seating |
of the garrisons by them besydes the saiftye and | of the garrisons by them besydes the saiftye and |
assurance w hi ch wch they shall worke vnto them | assurance wch w hi ch they shall worke vnto them |
will also | will also |
Folio 84v | Folio 84v |
will also . drawe thither score store of people and trade, | will also . drawe thither store score of people and trade, |
as I haue sene ensampled at Mariburgh and ~~ -- | as I haue sene ensampled at Mariburgh and -- ~~ |
Phillipstowne in lemster , leinster, where by reason | Phillipstowne in leinster, lemster , where by reason |
of those too fortes , fortes, though there were but small | of those too fortes, fortes , though there were but small |
wardes lefte in them , them, there are towe goode | wardes lefte in them, them , there are towe goode |
townes now growen , w hi ch growen, wch are the greatest stay | townes now growen, wch growen , w hi ch are the greatest stay |
of both those tow Counties Counties: | of both those tow Counties: Counties |
Eudox: Indeed mee semes seemes three such townes as | Eudox: Indeed mee seemes semes three such townes as |
yee saye would doe verie well in those places pla ces | yee saye would doe verie well in those pla ces places |
w i th wth the garrisons , garrisons, and in shorte space woulde | wth w i th the garrisons, garrisons , and in shorte space woulde |
bee so augmented , augmented, as they would bee able w i th wth | bee so augmented, augmented , as they would bee able wth w i th |
lyttle helpe to wall them selues stronglie | lyttle helpe to wall them selues stronglie |
But for the plantinge of all the rest of the | But for the plantinge of all the rest of the |
Countrie Countrie, what order would yee take . take:. | Countrie, Countrie what order would yee take:. take . |
Iren: What other then as I said to bringe men people | Iren: What other then as I said to bringe men people |
out of England , w hi ch England, wch should inhabite in habite the same , same, | out of England, wch England , w hi ch should in habite inhabite the same, same , |
where vnto wherevnto though I doubte not but greate great troupes | wherevnto where vnto though I doubte not but great greate troupes |
would bee readye to run , run, yet for that in | would bee readye to run, run , yet for that in |
such Cases , Cases, the worst and most decayed men | such Cases, Cases , the worst and most decayed men |
are most readye to remoue I would wishe | are most readye to remoue I would wishe |
them rather to bee chosen out of all p ar tes of | them rather to bee chosen out of all p ar tes of |
this Realme , Realme, eyther by discression of wise | this Realme, Realme , eyther by discression of wise |
men there vnto appointed or by lott lott, or by the | men there vnto appointed or by lott, lott or by the |
drum drum, as was the ^ ould vse of the ould in sendinge | drum, drum as was the ^ ould vse of the ould in sendinge |
forthe of Collonies or such other good meanes as | forthe of Collonies or such other good meanes as |
shall in theire wisdome bee thought metest metest, | shall in theire wisdome bee thought metest, metest |
Amongst the cheif of w hi ch wch I would haue | Amongst the cheif of wch w hi ch I would haue |
the land sett into signories , signories, in such sorte a | the land sett into signories, signories , in such sorte a |
as yt is nowe in Mounster , Mounster, and devyded into | as yt is nowe in Mounster, Mounster , and devyded into |
hundredes | hundredes |
Folio 85r 85r; written "84" | 85r; written "84" Folio 85r |
84 hundredes and p ar ishes, or wardes as yt is in England | hundredes and p ar ishes, or wardes as yt is in England 84 |
and p ar ishes or wardes layde out in England shires, as yt is was auncientlie, vizt | hundreds and layde out p ar ishes or wardes as yt was auncientlie, vizt is in shires, England |
and layde out in shires , as yt was auncientlie , vizt the Countie of Downe , the Countye of Antrian: | the Countie of Downe , the Countye of Antrian: and layde out in shires , as yt was auncientlie , vizt |
the Countie of Downe the Countye of Antrian: the Countie of Lowthe , the Countie of Armagh | the Countie of Lowthe , the Countie of Armagh the Countie of Downe the Countye of Antrian: |
the Countie of Lowthe the Countie of Armagh the Countie of Cauan: the Countie of Colrane, the | the Countie of Cauan: the Countie of Colrane, the the Countie of Lowthe the Countie of Armagh |
the Countie of Cauan: Countie of Monahon the Countie of Tirone , the | Countie of Monahon the Countie of Cauan: the Countie of Tirone , the |
Countie of Fermanagh the countie of Donergall | Countie of Fermanagh the countie of Donergall |
beinge in all Ten : Teiz: over all w hi ch wch I wishe a | beinge in all Teiz: Ten : over all wch w hi ch I wishe a |
Lord : Lord: President and a Counsell to bee placed | Lord: Lord : President and a Counsell to bee placed |
w hi ch wch maye kepe them afterwardes in awe and | wch w hi ch maye kepe them afterwardes in awe and |
obedyence , obedyence, and minister vnto them iustice and equalie equitie | obedyence, obedyence , and minister vnto them iustice and equitie equalie |
Eudox: Thus I see the whole parpose purpose of yo u r yor | Eudox: Thus I see the whole purpose parpose of yor yo u r |
plott for Vlster and now I desyre to heare | plott for Vlster and now I desyre to heare |
yo u r lyk... yor lyke OB opynion for Connagh : Connagh: | yor lyke OB yo u r lyk... opynion for Connagh: Connagh : |
Iren: By that w hi ch wch I haue alreadye said of Vlster | Iren: By that wch w hi ch I haue alreadye said of Vlster |
yee maye gather my opynion for Connagh beinge | yee maye gather my opynion for Connagh beinge |
verie answerable vnto the form er . , But for that the | verie answerable vnto the form er , . But for that the |
land w hi ch wch there in shall excheate vnto her ma jes tie | land wch w hi ch there in shall excheate vnto her ma jes tie |
are not so entyrelie togeather as that they cann | are not so entyrelie togeather as that they cann |
bee accounted into one Sum m , yt nedeth that they bee | bee accounted into one Sum m , yt nedeth that they bee |
considered seu er allie , allie, The province of Cormagh Connagh conteyne th | considered seu er allie, allie , The province of Connagh Cormagh conteyne th |
in the whole (as appeareth by the record at | in the whole (as appeareth by the record at |
Dubline ) Dubline, vij thowsand and towe hundred plowe landes | Dubline, Dubline ) vij thowsand and towe hundred plowe landes |
of the form er measure and is of late deuided into | of the form er measure and is of late deuided into |
six shires or Counties , Counties, The Countie of Clare | six shires or Counties, Counties , The Countie of Clare |
the Countie of Letrim the Countie of Roscaman | the Countie of Letrim the Countie of Roscaman |
the Countie of Galway the Countye of Maio | the Countie of Galway the Countye of Maio |
and the Countye of Slighah lagh: of the w hi ch Slig ah lagh : of the wch all the | and the Countye of Slig ah lagh : of the wch Slighah lagh: of the w hi ch all the |
Countie of Sligagh Sligan Sligah all the Countie of | Countie of Sligagh Sligah Sligan all the Countie of |
Maio , the most p ar te of the Countie of Roscaman | Maio , the most p ar te of the Countie of Roscaman |
the most p ar te of the Countie of Letrim a greate Lietrim agreat | the most p ar te of the Countie of Lietrim agreat Letrim a greate |
p ar te of the Countie of Galway and some of | p ar te of the Countie of Galway and some of |
the Countie | the Countie |
Folio 85v | Folio 85v |
Countye of Clare is lyke to excheate vnto her | Countye of Clare is lyke to excheate vnto her |
ma jes tie , for the Rebellion of theire p re sent possessers possessors | ma jes tie , for the Rebellion of theire p re sent possessors possessers |
The w hi ch wch towe counties of Sligah and Maio are | The wch w hi ch towe counties of Sligah and Maio are |
supposed to containe containe, almost iijm plowlandes , iij m plowlandes, the | supposed to containe, containe almost iij m plowlandes, iijm plowlandes , the |
rate whereof ratablie to the form er , I vallewe | rate whereof ratablie to the form er , I vallewe |
almost at vjml vj m l p er ann um the Countye of Roscaman Roscamon | almost at vj m l vjml p er ann um the Countye of Roscamon Roscaman |
savinge what p er tayneth to the howse of Roscomen Roscomon | savinge what p er tayneth to the howse of Roscomon Roscomen |
and some fewe other englishe there latelie sealed seated | and some fewe other englishe there latelie seated sealed |
is all out : out: And therefore yt is wholie lykewise likewise | is all out: out : And therefore yt is wholie likewise lykewise |
to escheate to her ma jes tie , savinge those porcons of | to escheate to her ma jes tie , savinge those porcons of |
the Englishe inhabytantes , in habytantes, and even those Englishe English | the Englishe in habytantes, inhabytantes , and even those English Englishe |
doe as I vnderstand ^ by th e m ym paye as much rent to her | doe as I vnderstand ^ by ym th e m paye as much rent to her |
maiestie as ys sett vpon those in Vlster ~ - | maiestie as ys sett vpon those in Vlster - ~ |
Countine Countinge theire Composicion monye there w i th all wthall | Countinge Countine theire Composicion monye there wthall w i th all |
so as yt maye run all awaye into one reckoning | so as yt maye run all awaye into one reckoning |
w i th wth the form er two Counties , Counties, So that this Countie | wth w i th the form er two Counties, Counties , So that this Countie |
of Rescomon conteyning xijC Roscomon contayning xij C plowlandes as yt is ~ ~ -- | of Roscomon contayning xij C Rescomon conteyning xijC plowlandes as yt is -- ~ ~ |
accounted amounteth a mounteth to ij m : iiijC poundes , m: iiij C poundes, by the yeare | accounted a mounteth amounteth to ij m: iiij C poundes, m : iiijC poundes , by the yeare |
w hi ch w i th wch wth the form er twoe two counties rent maketh about | wch wth w hi ch w i th the form er two twoe counties rent maketh about |
viij m viij Cl C l , for the form er wanted some what , what, But what | viij m viij C l Cl , for the form er wanted some what, what , But what |
yee excheated landes of the countyes of Gallway Galway and Lietrim | yee excheated landes of the countyes of Galway Gallway and Lietrim |
will rise vnto , vnto, is yett vncertaine to define , define, till | will rise vnto, vnto , is yett vncertaine to define, define , till |
survaye thereof bee made , made, for that those landes | survaye thereof bee made, made , for that those landes |
are , intermingled w i th wth the Earle Clanricard , and | are , intermingled wth w i th the Earle Clanricard , and |
others , others, But yt is thought that they bee the one | others, others , But yt is thought that they bee the one |
half of both those Counties , Counties, so as they maye bee | half of both those Counties, Counties , so as they maye bee |
Counted to the vallue of one whole Countie w hi ch Countie, wch | Counted to the vallue of one whole Countie, wch Countie w hi ch |
contayneth aboue one thowsand plowelandes (for so manye | contayneth aboue one thowsand plowelandes (for so manye |
the least countye of them Comp re hendeth w hi ch wch maketh) | the least countye of them Comp re hendeth wch w hi ch maketh) |
twoe thowsande thowsand poundes more , more, that is in all x all, x: or | twoe thowsand thowsande poundes more, more , that is in all, x: all x or |
xj thowsand poundes . poundes, Thother twoe Counties must ~ ~ -- | xj thowsand poundes, poundes . Thother twoe Counties must -- ~ ~ |
remaine till theire excheates appeare , appeare, The | remaine till theire excheates appeare, appeare , The |
w hi ch wch letting passe , passe, yett as vnknowne , vnknowne, yett thus | wch w hi ch letting passe, passe , yett as vnknowne, vnknowne , yett thus |
much is | much is |
Folio 86r 86r; written "85" | 86r; written "85" Folio 86r |
85 much is knowen and to bee accompted for certaine, | much is knowen and to bee accompted for certaine, 85 |
much is knowen and to bee accompted for certaine , | much is knowen and to bee accompted for certaine , |
that the composition of these twoe Countyes beinge | that the composition of these twoe Countyes beinge |
rated at xxs xx s eu er ie plowe land will amounte to | rated at xx s xxs eu er ie plowe land will amounte to |
aboue iij ml more . m l more, All w hi ch wch beinge layde togea | aboue iij m l more, ml more . All wch w hi ch beinge layde togea |
ther , w i th ther, wth to the rente of thexcheated landes form er | ther, wth ther , w i th to the rente of thexcheated landes form er |
maye be reasonablie estymated to ryse vnto xiijml xiij m l | maye be reasonablie estymated to ryse vnto xiij m l xiijml |
poundes the w hi ch poundes, the wch some togeather w i th wth the rente of | poundes, the wch poundes the w hi ch some togeather wth w i th the rente of |
thexcheated landes in the twoe last Counties w hi ch wch | thexcheated landes in the twoe last Counties wch w hi ch |
cannot yett be vallued , vallued, (beinge as I doubte not | cannot yett be vallued, vallued , (beinge as I doubte not |
lesse then a thowsand poundes more ) more) will yeild | lesse then a thowsand poundes more) more ) will yeild |
largelie vnto a thowsand men and theire victuallers | largelie vnto a thowsand men and theire victuallers |
and a thowsand poundes over to the towardes the gou er nor | and a thowsand poundes over to the towardes the gou er nor |
Eudox: Yee haue mee thinckes made , made, but an ~ - | Eudox: Yee haue mee thinckes made, made , but an - ~ |
estymate of Connaght even at a verie venter , venter, | estymate of Connaght even at a verie venter, venter , |
so as yt should bee hard to build anye certaintie | so as yt should bee hard to build anye certaintie |
of charge to bee raised vpon the same . same, | of charge to bee raised vpon the same, same . |
Iren: Nor Not altogeather yet vpon vncertainties , vncertainties, for thus | Iren: Not Nor altogeather yet vpon vncertainties, vncertainties , for thus |
much maye easelie appeare vnto yow for certen , certen, as | much maye easelie appeare vnto yow for certen, certen , as |
the composition monye of eu er ie plowland amounteth | the composition monye of eu er ie plowland amounteth |
vnto , vnto, for this I would haue yow princypallie vnder | vnto, vnto , for this I would haue yow princypallie vnder |
stand , stand, that my purpose is to rate all the landes | stand, stand , that my purpose is to rate all the landes |
in Ireland at xxs xx s eu er ie ploweland , ploweland, for theire compo | in Ireland at xx s xxs eu er ie ploweland, ploweland , for theire compo |
sition towardes the garrison : garris s on: The w hi ch wch I knowe in | sition towardes the garris s on: garrison : The wch w hi ch I knowe in |
regarde , regarde, of being fixed beinge freed from all other charges | regarde, regarde , of beinge freed being fixed from all other charges |
what so ever , whatsoever, wilbee redelie and most freelie fre OB lie | whatsoever, what so ever , wilbee redelie and most fre OB lie freelie |
gladlie yeilded vnto , vnto, So that there beinge | gladlie yeilded vnto, vnto , So that there beinge |
in all Ireland , Ireland, (as appeareth by theire old recordes recordes) | in all Ireland, Ireland , (as appeareth by theire old recordes) recordes |
43920 plowlandes , plowlandes, the same shall amounte to the | 43920 plowlandes, plowlandes , the same shall amounte to the |
some lyke wise of 43920 poundes , poundes, and the rest to | some lyke wise of 43920 poundes, poundes , and the rest to |
bee reared of thexcheated landes , w hi ch landes, wch fall to her | bee reared of thexcheated landes, wch landes , w hi ch fall to her |
maiestie , maiestie, in the said provinces provinces, of Vlster | maiestie, maiestie , in the said provinces, provinces of Vlster |
Connoght and that p ar te of Leinster vnder the | Connoght and that p ar te of Leinster vnder the |
Rebells : Rebells: | Rebells: Rebells : |
Folio 86v | Folio 86v |
Rebells , Rebells, (for Mounster wee deale not w i th all : wthall:: | Rebells, Rebells , (for Mounster wee deale not wthall:: w i th all : |
Eudox Eudox: , But tell me this by the waye , waye, doe yow | Eudox: Eudox , But tell me this by the waye, waye , doe yow |
then laye composition vpon thexcheated landes as | then laye composition vpon thexcheated landes as |
yow doe vpon the rest , rest, for so mee thincke yow ~ thinckes yow- | yow doe vpon the rest, rest , for so mee thinckes yow- thincke yow ~ |
recken all togeather : togeather: And that sure were to | recken all togeather: togeather : And that sure were to |
much to paye , paye, vij nobles out of eu er ie plowland | much to paye, paye , vij nobles out of eu er ie plowland |
and composition monye besydes , besydes, that is xxs xx s | and composition monye besydes, besydes , that is xx s xxs |
out of eu er ie plowe land : : land:: | out of eu er ie plowe land:: land : : |
Iren: Noe yow mistake me , me, I put onelie vij nobles | Iren: Noe yow mistake me, me , I put onelie vij nobles |
rent and composition both vpon eu er ie plowe land | rent and composition both vpon eu er ie plowe land |
excheated , excheated, that is xls xl s for composition and vjs viijs vj s viij d | excheated, excheated , that is xl s xls for composition and vj s viij d vjs viijs |
for cheiferie to her ma jes tie , | for cheiferie to her ma jes tie , |
Eudox: I doe now conceaue yow yow: proceed then I pray | Eudox: I doe now conceaue yow: yow proceed then I pray |
yow to the appointing of yo u r yor garrissons in Connaght Connagh t, | yow to the appointing of yor yo u r garrissons in Connagh t, Connaght |
and shewe vs both how manye and where yow | and shewe vs both how manye and where yow |
would haue them placed . . placed,: | would haue them placed,: placed . . |
Iren Iren: I would haue one thowsand laid in Connaght | Iren: Iren I would haue one thowsand laid in Connaght |
in two garrissons namelie , vC namelie, v C in the Countie | in two garrissons namelie, v C namelie , vC in the Countie |
of Maio , Maio, about Clan mc Costulaghes , w hi ch M ac Costulaghes, wch | of Maio, Maio , about Clan M ac Costulaghes, wch mc Costulaghes , w hi ch |
shall kepe Maio , and the Burks Burkes of Willin Will ia m | shall kepe Maio , and the Burkes Burks of Will ia m Willin |
Euter . , Thother vC v C : in the Countie of ~ ~ ~ --- | Euter , . Thother v C : vC in the Countie of --- ~ ~ ~ |
Clanricharde about Garrandough , that they | Clanricharde about Garrandough , that they |
maye Containe the and the | maye Containe the and the |
Burkes, there the kellies and mack wthall | Burkes, there the kellies and mack wthall |
them about , about, for that garrison , w hi ch garrison, wch I form er lie ~ ~ -- | them about, about , for that garrison, wch garrison , w hi ch I form er lie -- ~ ~ |
placed at Longhearne Loughearne will serue for all ~ - | placed at Loughearne Longhearne will serue for all - ~ |
occasions in the Countie of Sligah Slygah beinge nere | occasions in the Countie of Slygah Sligah beinge nere |
adioyninge therevnto , therevnto, so as in one nightes m ar ch they | adioyninge therevnto, therevnto , so as in one nightes m ar ch they |
maye bee almost in any place thereof who when | maye bee almost in any place thereof when who |
need shall requier them . them, And like as in the | need shall requier them, them . And like as in the |
form er places of garrisson in Vlster Vlster, I wished | form er places of garrisson in Vlster, Vlster I wished |
iij Corporate | iij Corporate |
Folio 87r 87r; written "86" | 87r; written "86" Folio 87r |
86 iij Corporate townes to bee planted, wch vnder the | iij Corporate townes to bee planted, wch vnder the 86 |
iij Corporate townes to bee planted , w hi ch vnder saifegarde of the strength, shall dwell and trade | saifegarde of iij Corporate townes to bee planted , w hi ch vnder the strength, shall dwell and trade |
saifegarde of saifelie wthall the strength , shall dwell and trade Countrye about them, so would I | saifelie wthall saifegarde of the Countrye about them, so would I strength , shall dwell and trade |
saifelie w i th all the Countrye about them , so would I also wishe to bee of : in this of Connoght, and that | also wishe to bee of : in this of Connoght, and that saifelie w i th all the Countrye about them , so would I |
also wishe to bee of in this of Connoght , and that | also wishe to bee of in this of Connoght , and that |
besydes there were another established at Athlone | besydes there were another established at Athlone |
w i th wth a convenient ward in the Castle there , there, for | wth w i th a convenient ward in the Castle there, there , for |
theire defence : : defence:: | theire defence:: defence : : |
Eudox: What should that need seinge that the | Eudox: What should that need seinge that the |
gou er nor of Connough vseth to lye there alwaies , alwaies, | gou er nor of Connough vseth to lye there alwaies, alwaies , |
whose p re sence wilbe a defence to all that Towne shippes Towneshipp s | whose p re sence wilbe a defence to all that Towneshipp s Towne shippes |
Iren: I knowe he doth so : so: but that is much to bee disliked | Iren: I knowe he doth so: so : but that is much to bee disliked |
that the Gou er nor should lye so farr of in the remotest | that the Gou er nor should lye so farr of in the remotest |
place on of all Connaught Connaght the Prouince , Prouince, whereas | place of on all Connaght Connaught the Prouince, Prouince , whereas |
yt were meter that yt should bee contenewallie ~ - | yt were meter that yt should bee contenewallie - ~ |
abydinge in the remotest place of all the pro ~ pro- | abydinge in the remotest place of all the pro- pro ~ |
vince myddest of his charge , charge, that he might | vince myddest of his charge, charge , that he might |
both looke all alike out a like into all places of his gou er ern m en t | both looke out a like all alike into all places of his gou ern er m en t |
and also bee soone at hand in anye place where | and also bee soone at hand in anye place where |
occasion shall demaund him , him, for the p re sence of | occasion shall demaund him, him , for the p re sence of |
the Gou er nor is (as yow said a greate agreate staye and | the Gou er nor is (as yow said agreate a greate staye and |
brydle vnto them , them, that are yll disposed , disposed, like | brydle vnto them, them , that are yll disposed, disposed , like |
as I see yt is well obserued in Mounster , Mounster, where | as I see yt is well obserued in Mounster, Mounster , where |
the dalie good thereof is contynewallie apparant, | the dalie good thereof is contynewallie apparant, |
And for this cause also doe I greatelie dislike the | And for this cause also doe I greatelie dislike the |
Lord Deputies seatinge at Dubline , Dubline, beinge | Lord Deputies seatinge at Dubline, Dubline , beinge |
the owtest Corn er in the Realme Realme, and least neding | the owtest Corn er in the Realme, Realme and least neding |
the awe of his p re sence sence, whereas mee seems seemes | the awe of his p re sence, sence whereas mee seemes seems |
yt were fytter , fytter, since his p ro per care cace is of | yt were fytter, fytter , since his p ro per cace care is of |
Leinster Leinster, though he hath Care of all besydes | Leinster, Leinster though he hath Care of all besydes |
gen er allie , allie, that he should seate him self about | gen er allie, allie , that he should seate him self about |
Athie or thereaboutes there aboutes, vpon the kyrtl skyrtes of that | Athie or there aboutes, thereaboutes vpon the skyrtes kyrtl of that |
vnquiet Countrie , Countrie, so as that he might sytt at | vnquiet Countrie, Countrie , so as that he might sytt at |
the verie Maine Mast maine mast of the shipp where shipp, whence he | the verie maine mast Maine Mast of the shipp, whence shipp where he |
might | might |
Folio 87v | Folio 87v |
might mighte easelye overlooke and sometymes overreach | mighte might easelye overlooke and sometymes overreach |
the mores , the Mores, The Butlers , the Dempses , the Butlers, the Dempses, the | the Mores, the mores , The Butlers, the Dempses, the Butlers , the Dempses , the |
Ketins , Ketins, the Connors Ocarrell Omoloy and | Ketins, Ketins , the Connors Ocarrell Omoloy and |
all that heape of Irishe nations w hi ch wch there lye | all that heape of Irishe nations wch w hi ch there lye |
hudled togeather , w i th out togeather, wthout any to overrule them | hudled togeather, wthout togeather , w i th out any to overrule them |
or containe them in dewtie , dewtie, for the Irishe man I | or containe them in dewtie, dewtie , for the Irishe man I |
assuree yow , yow, feares the gou er ern m en t noe longer then he | assuree yow, yow , feares the gou ern er m en t noe longer then he |
is w i th wth in sight or reach : reach: | is wth w i th in sight or reach: reach : |
Eudox: Surelie mee thinges herein yow obserue a | Eudox: Surelie mee thinges herein yow obserue a |
matter of much ymportance . ymportance, more then I haue | matter of much ymportance, ymportance . more then I haue |
heard ever noted , noted, but sure that semes so expedient | heard ever noted, noted , but sure that semes so expedient |
as that I wonder yt hath bene here to fore ever heretofore over | as that I wonder yt hath bene heretofore over here to fore ever |
omitted , omitted, But I suppose the instance of the Citti | omitted, omitted , But I suppose the instance of the Citti |
zens of Dubline is the greatest left les let there | zens of Dubline is the greatest les left let there |
Iren: Truelie then yt ought not so to bee , for of | of Iren: Truelie then yt ought not so to bee , for |
Iren: Truelie then yt ought not so to bee, for | Iren: Truelie then yt ought not so to bee, for |
noe cause haue they to feare that yt wilbe any | noe cause haue they to feare that yt wilbe any |
hinderance for them , for Dubline them, for dubline wilbe still | hinderance for them, for dubline them , for Dubline wilbe still |
as yt is the keye of all passages , passages, and tran | as yt is the keye of all passages, passages , and tran |
sportacons out of England thither thither, to noe lesse | sportacons out of England thither, thither to noe lesse |
profytte of those Cyttizen Cyttizens then yt now is | profytte of those Cyttizens Cyttizen then yt now is |
and besydes other places will hereby receyve | and besydes other places will hereby receyve |
some benyfyte benyfyte: But let vs now I praye yow | some benyfyte: benyfyte But let vs now I praye yow |
come in to Leinster , in the w hi ch Leinster, in the wch I would wishe the | come in to Leinster, in the wch Leinster , in the w hi ch I would wishe the |
same Course to bee obserued as in Vlster : : Vlster:: | same Course to bee obserued as in Vlster:: Vlster : : |
Eudox Eudox: Yow meane for the leavinge of the gari garri | Eudox: Eudox Yow meane for the leavinge of the garri gari |
sons in theire fortes , fortes, and for planting of English | sons in theire fortes, fortes , and for planting of English |
in all those Countires Countries, betwene the Countye | in all those Countries, Countires betwene the Countye |
of Dublin of Dubline and the Countie of Wexforde , Wexforde, but | of Dubline of Dublin and the Countie of Wexforde, Wexforde , but |
those waste wyld places , places, I thinkce thincke when they | those waste wyld places, places , I thincke thinkce when they |
are wonn vnto her ma jes tie , that there is none | are wonn vnto her ma jes tie , that there is none |
that wilbe hastie haistie to seeke to inhabite : in habite: | that wilbe haistie hastie to seeke to in habite: inhabite : |
Iren Yes yes, | Iren yes, Yes |
Folio 88r 88r; written "87" | 88r; written "87" Folio 88r |
87 Iren: Yes ynough I warrante, for though the whole | Iren: Yes ynough I warrante, for though the whole 87 |
Iren Yes ynough I warrante , for though tracte of the whole Countrie bee mountaine and wooddie | tracte of Iren Yes ynough I warrante , for though the Countrie bee mountaine and wooddie whole |
tracte of the Countrie bee Mountaine and woodlie | tracte of the Countrie bee Mountaine and woodlie |
yett there are manye goodlie vallies amongst them | yett there are manye goodlie vallies amongst them |
fytt for fayer habytacon to w hi ch fayre habytacon, to wch to those mountaines | fytt for fayre habytacon, to wch fayer habytacon to w hi ch to those mountaines |
adioyned wilbe a greate agreate increase of pasturage | adioyned wilbe agreate a greate increase of pasturage |
for that Countrie , Countrie, is a verie averie greate soyle of Cattell | for that Countrie, Countrie , is averie a verie greate soyle of Cattell |
and verie fytt for bread , bread, As for corne yt is ~ ~ -- | and verie fytt for bread, bread , As for corne yt is -- ~ ~ |
nothinge naturall . naturall, save onely , onelye, barlie and otes | nothinge naturall, naturall . save onelye, onely , barlie and otes |
and some places , places, for Rye Rye, and therefore the larger | and some places, places , for Rye, Rye and therefore the larger |
pennyworthes maye bee allowed vnto them though | pennyworthes maye bee allowed vnto them though |
otherwise the wyldnes of the mountaine mountaine, pasturage | otherwise the wyldnes of the mountaine, mountaine pasturage |
due doe recompence the badnes of the soyle , soyle, So as I | doe due recompence the badnes of the soyle, soyle , So as I |
doubte not but yt will fynde in habytantes inhabytantes and | doubte not but yt will fynde inhabytantes in habytantes and |
vndertakers enough : enough: | vndertakers enough: enough : |
Eudox: How much then doe yow thincke , thincke, that all | Eudox: How much then doe yow thincke, thincke , that all |
those landes w hi ch Pheag Ma wch Pheagh M ac Hugh holdeth vnder | those landes wch Pheagh M ac w hi ch Pheag Ma Hugh holdeth vnder |
him maye amounte vnto , vnto, and what rente maye | him maye amounte vnto, vnto , and what rente maye |
bee reared there out , out, to the maintenance of the | bee reared there out, out , to the maintenance of the |
garrissons that shalbe layde there : there: | garrissons that shalbe layde there: there : |
Iren: Trulie yt is ympossible by ayme to tell | Iren: Trulie yt is ympossible by ayme to tell |
yt and as for experience and knowledge I doe | yt and as for experience and knowledge I doe |
not thincke that there was ever any of the | not thincke that there was ever any of the |
p ar tyculers thereof : thereof: But yett I will yf yt please | p ar tyculers thereof: thereof : But yett I will yf yt please |
yow gesse thereat vpon ground onelye of theire | yow gesse thereat vpon ground onelye of theire |
iudgm iudgem en t w hi ch wch haue form er lie deuided all that ~ - | iudgem iudgm en t wch w hi ch haue form er lie deuided all that - ~ |
Countrye into twoe shires or Counties ) mainelie Counties, namelie | Countrye into twoe shires or Counties, namelie Counties ) mainelie |
the countie of Wicklo and the Countye of Fernes , | the countie of Wicklo and the Countye of Fernes , |
the w hi ch wch twoe I see noe cause but they should | the wch w hi ch twoe I see noe cause but they should |
holye excheate to her ma jes tie all but the barrony | holye excheate to her ma jes tie all but the barrony |
tie all but of Arclo, wch is the barrony Earle of Ormewoodes | of Arclo, wch is tie all but the Earle of Ormewoodes barrony |
of Arclo , w hi ch is the Earle of Ormewoodes ancyente inherit a nce, and hath ever beene in his | ancyente inherit a nce, and hath ever beene in his of Arclo , w hi ch is the Earle of Ormewoodes |
ancyente inheritance , and hath ever beene in his | ancyente inheritance , and hath ever beene in his |
possession | possession |
Folio 88v | Folio 88v |
possession , ffor possession, For all the whole land is the ~ - | possession, For possession , ffor all the whole land is the - ~ |
Quenes vnlesse there bee some grante the of | Quenes vnlesse there bee some grante the of |
any p ar te thereof , thereof, to bee showed from her ~ - | any p ar te thereof, thereof , to bee showed from her - ~ |
ma jes tie as I thincke theire is onelie of Newcastle | ma jes tie as I thincke theire is onelie of Newcastle |
to S i r Henrye Harrington , Harrington, and of the Castle | to S i r Henrye Harrington, Harrington , and of the Castle |
of ffernes Fernes to S i r Thomas Masterson , Masterson, the | of Fernes ffernes to S i r Thomas Masterson, Masterson , the |
rest beinge almost Thirtie myles over , over, I | rest beinge almost Thirtie myles over, over , I |
doe suppose plowlandes w hi ch I will estymate at can containe noe lesse then, twoe | doe suppose can containe noe lesse then, twoe plowlandes w hi ch I will estymate at |
iiij ml rent by the yeare , The rest of Leinster Thowsand plowlandes wch I will estymate at | Thowsand plowlandes wch I will estymate at iiij ml rent by the yeare , The rest of Leinster |
beinge fower vij Counties to weete iiijm l rent by the Countye yeare, The rest of Leins ter | iiijm l rent by beinge fower vij Counties to weete the yeare, The rest Countye of Leins ter |
Dubline Kildare Catherlogh Wexford Kilkennye beinge fower vii Counties to weete the Countye of | beinge fower vii Counties to weete the Countye of Dubline Kildare Catherlogh Wexford Kilkennye |
the kinge and the Quenes Countie doe containe in the m Dubline: Kildare Catherlogh Wexford Kilkennye | Dubline: Kildare Catherlogh Wexford Kilkennye the kinge and the Quenes Countie doe containe in the m |
7400 plowlandes w hi ch amounteth to so manye poundes , the Kinge and the Quenes Countie: doe containe in the m | the Kinge and the Quenes Countie: doe containe in the m 7400 plowlandes w hi ch amounteth to so manye poundes , |
for composition 7400 plowlandes wch amounteth to the garrison , that makes in the so manye poundes, | 7400 plowlandes wch amounteth for composition to so manye poundes, the garrison , that makes in the |
whole xjm iiijCl , The w hi ch sone wyll yeild paye for composition to the garrison, that makes in the | for composition to the garrison, that makes in the whole xjm iiijCl , The w hi ch sone wyll yeild paye |
vnto a thowsand soldyers , lyttle wantinge , w hi ch may whole xim iiijC l , The wch some wyll yeild paye | whole xim iiijC l , The wch some wyll yeild paye vnto a thowsand soldyers , lyttle wantinge , w hi ch may |
vnto athowsand soldyers, lyttle wantinge, wch may | vnto athowsand soldyers, lyttle wantinge, wch may |
bee supplyed out of other landes of the Cavanaghes | bee supplyed out of other landes of the Cavanaghes |
w hi ch wch are to bee excheated to her ma jes tie , for the ~ - | wch w hi ch are to bee excheated to her ma jes tie , for the - ~ |
rebellyon of there possessions , possessions, though otherwise | rebellyon of there possessions, possessions , though otherwise |
indeed , indeed, they bee her owne ancyente domeane , demeane, | indeed, indeed , they bee her owne ancyente demeane, domeane , |
Eudox It is great reason , reason, but tell vs now , now, where | Eudox It is great reason, reason , but tell vs now, now , where |
would yow wishe those garrisons to bee laid , laid, whether | would yow wishe those garrisons to bee laid, laid , whether |
altgeather altogeather or to be disp er sed in sondrye places of | altogeather altgeather or to be disp er sed in sondrye places of |
the Countrie : Countrie: | the Countrie: Countrie : |
Iren: Iren , Marie in sundrie places places, to weete in this | Iren Iren: Marie in sundrie places, places , to weete in this |
sorte or much the lyke as maye bee better aduised | sorte or much the lyke as maye bee better aduised |
for CC in a place aplace I doe thincke to bee ynough | for CC in aplace a place I doe thincke to bee ynough |
for the saifgarde of the Countire Countrie and keping ~ - | for the saifgarde of the Countrie Countire and keping - ~ |
vnder all sudden vpstartes , vpstartes, that shall seeke to | vnder all sudden vpstartes, vpstartes , that shall seeke to |
trouble the... thereof | trouble thereof the... |
Folio 89r 89r; written "88" | 89r; written "88" Folio 89r |
88 trouble the peace thereof, for I wish: therefore I wishe to be | trouble the peace thereof, for I wish: therefore I wishe to be 88 |
trouble ^ the peace thereof , for I wish : therefore I wishe to be | trouble ^ the peace thereof , for I wish : therefore I wishe to be |
layde at Ballinorros , for the kepinge of all bad p er sons | layde at Ballinorros , for the kepinge of all bad p er sons |
from Glamnaloar , Glanmalour, and all the fastenesse there aboutes | from Glanmalour, Glamnaloar , and all the fastenesse there aboutes |
and also to Containe all that shalbe planted in those | and also to Containe all that shalbe planted in those |
landes thenceforth : 200 . Another 200 at Knocklough | landes thenceforth : 200 . Another 200 at Knocklough |
in theire former place of garrisone to keep kepe the | in theire former place of garrisone to kepe keep the |
Brisklagh and all those mountaines of the Cavanaghes | Brisklagh and all those mountaines of the Cavanaghes |
200 more to lye at ffearnes Fearnes and vpwardes in wardes | 200 more to lye at Fearnes ffearnes and vpwardes in wardes |
vpon the Slane and Ocarroll O carroll 200 to be placed , placed, at the | vpon the Slane and O carroll Ocarroll 200 to be placed, placed , at the |
forte of Leix , Leix, to restraine the Mores Ossorie and | forte of Leix, Leix , to restraine the Mores Ossorie and |
Ocarroll other other: 200 at the forte of OIfaley Ofaley , to | Ocarroll other: other 200 at the forte of Ofaley OIfaley , to |
Curbe the O Connors Omoloys , mc Coghlan Maccughe O moloys, m c Coghlan: maccughe | Curbe the O Connors O moloys, m c Coghlan: maccughe Omoloys , mc Coghlan Maccughe |
gan , and all those Irishe nations , nations, borderinge | gan , and all those Irishe nations, nations , borderinge |
thereaboutes . thereaboutes: | thereaboutes: thereaboutes . |
Eudox: Thus I see all yo u r yor Thowsand men bestowed | Eudox: Thus I see all yor yo u r Thowsand men bestowed |
in Leinster Lein ster what saye yow then of Meath w hi ch wch | in Lein ster Leinster what saye yow then of Meath wch w hi ch |
is the first p ar te : te: | is the first p ar te: te : |
Iren: Meath w hi ch wch contayneth both Eastmeath and West | Iren: Meath wch w hi ch contayneth both Eastmeath and West |
meathe , meathe, and of late the Analye , Analye:, now called the | meathe, meathe , and of late the Analye:, Analye , now called the |
Countye Covntye of Langeford is accompted there vnto , vnto, But | Covntye Countye of Langeford is accompted there vnto, vnto , But |
Meath it self (accordinge to the old recordes ) recordes) 4320 | Meath it self (accordinge to the old recordes) recordes ) 4320 |
plowlandes and the Countye of langeford . langeford. 947 : | plowlandes and the Countye of langeford. langeford . 947 : |
w hi ch wch in the whole make , 5267 plowlandes , make, 5267: plowlandes, of w hi ch wch | wch w hi ch in the whole make, 5267: plowlandes, make , 5267 plowlandes , of wch w hi ch |
the Compossition monie will amount lykewise to | the Compossition monie will amount lykewise to |
fyve thowsand two hundred , thre score hundred, threscore and seaven | fyve thowsand two hundred, threscore hundred , thre score and seaven |
poundes , poundes, to the maintenance of the garrison , garrison, But | poundes, poundes , to the maintenance of the garrison, garrison , But |
because all Meath lyinge in the bosome of that | because all Meath lyinge in the bosome of that |
Kingdome , kingdome, is alwayes quiet ynough , ynough, yt is needlesse | kingdome, Kingdome , is alwayes quiet ynough, ynough , yt is needlesse |
to putt any garrison there , there, so as all that charge | to putt any garrison there, there , so as all that charge |
maye be spared : spared: But in the Contye Countye of longford, Longford, | maye be spared: spared : But in the Countye Contye of Longford, longford, |
I wish | I wish |
Folio 89v | Folio 89v |
I wishe 200 footemen , footemen, and fytie fyftie horsemen to be placed | I wishe 200 footemen, footemen , and fyftie fytie horsemen to be placed |
in some convenient seat , seat, betwene the Analie and | in some convenient seat, seat , betwene the Analie and |
the Breine , ans as about Loughsillon , Loughsillon, or some lyke place | the Breine , as ans about Loughsillon, Loughsillon , or some lyke place |
of that ryver , ryver, so as they might both the Oneales | of that ryver, ryver , so as they might both the Oneales |
and also the Ofarralls and all that out skirte of | and also the Ofarralls and all that out skirte of |
Meath in awe , awe, the w hi ch wch vse vpon eu er ie light occa | Meath in awe, awe , the wch w hi ch vse vpon eu er ie light occa |
syon , syon, to be stirringe , stirringe, and havinge contynewall enmitie | syon, syon , to be stirringe, stirringe , and havinge contynewall enmitie |
amongst them selues selues, doe thereby oftentymes troble | amongst them selues, selues doe thereby oftentymes troble |
all those p ar tes , tes, the charge whereof beinge beinge: 4400 | all those p ar tes, tes , the charge whereof beinge: beinge 4400 |
and odd poundes , poundes, is to bee cut out of that composition | and odd poundes, poundes , is to bee cut out of that composition |
money , for , money, for, meeth and longefood , longefoord, The ou er plus being | money, for, money , for , meeth and longefoord, longefood , The ou er plus being |
almost 2000 li l by the yeare will come in clearlie | almost 2000 l li by the yeare will come in clearlie |
to her ma jes tie : : :: | to her ma jes tie :: : : |
Iren: Mounster contayneth by record at Dubline | Iren: Mounster contayneth by record at Dubline |
1600 plowelandes | 1600 plowelandes |
Eudox: It is worth the harkeininge harkeninge vnto by but | Eudox: It is worth the harkeninge harkeininge vnto by but |
now that yow haue donne w i th Meathe , wth Meath, proceed I | now that yow haue donne wth Meath, w i th Meathe , proceed I |
praye yow to Mounster , Mounster, that wee maye see - | praye yow to Mounster, Mounster , that wee maye see - |
how yt will ryse , ryse, therefore the maintenance | how yt will ryse, ryse , therefore the maintenance |
of the garrison : garrison: | of the garrison: garrison : |
Iren: Mounster contayneth by record at Dubline , Dubline, 16000 | Iren: Mounster contayneth by record at Dubline, Dubline , 16000 |
plowlandes , plowlandes, the composition whereof as the rest | plowlandes, plowlandes , the composition whereof as the rest |
will make 16000 li l by the yeare , yeare, out of the w hi ch wch | will make 16000 l li by the yeare, yeare , out of the wch w hi ch |
I would haue a thowsand soldyers to be mantayned | I would haue a thowsand soldyers to be mantayned |
for the defence of that province , province, the charge | for the defence of that province, province , the charge |
of w hi ch w i th wch wth the victualers wages will amounte | of wch wth w hi ch w i th the victualers wages will amounte |
to 12000 li l , by the yeare , yeare, Thother 4000 li l will de | to 12000 l li , by the yeare, yeare , Thother 4000 l li will de |
fraye the Charges of the p re cydencie and the | fraye the Charges of the p re cydencie and the |
Counsell of that province : : province:: | Counsell of that province:: province : : |
Eudox: the reckoninge is easie but in this Accompt | Eudox: the reckoninge is easie but in this Accompt |
by yo u r yor leaue me thinckes , thinckes, yow deceaued , are deceaued, for in | by yor yo u r leaue me thinckes, thinckes , yow are deceaued, deceaued , for in |
this some of the Composition monye yee account | this some of the Composition monye yee account |
the landes | the landes |
Folio 90r 90r; written "89" | 90r; written "89" Folio 90r |
89 the landes of the vndertakers of that province Province, who are | the landes of the vndertakers of that province Province, who are 89 |
the landes of the vndertakers of that province Province , who are | the landes of the vndertakers of that province Province , who are |
by theire grante from the Quene to bee free from all such | by theire grante from the Quene to bee free from all such |
ympositions ympositions, whatsoeu er , exceptinge theire onelye rente w hi ch wch | ympositions, ympositions whatsoeu er , exceptinge theire onelye rente wch w hi ch |
is , surelie ynoughe . : is, surerlie ynoughe:: | is, surerlie ynoughe:: is , surelie ynoughe . : |
Iren: Yee saye trewe in deed I did so : so: But the same xxs xx s , for | Iren: Yee saye trewe in deed I did so: so : But the same xx s , xxs for |
everie plowland I meant to haue deducted out of the | everie plowland I meant to haue deducted out of the |
rente rente, due vpon them to her ma jes tie , w hi ch wch is noe hindrance hinderance | rente, rente due vpon them to her ma jes tie , wch w hi ch is noe hinderance hindrance |
nor charge all att all more to her ma jes tie then yt now is, | nor charge att all all more to her ma jes tie then yt now is, |
for all that rent w hi ch she receaues , wch shee receaues, of them she putteth | for all that rent wch shee receaues, w hi ch she receaues , of them she putteth |
forthe againe tos tor the maintenance of the p re sidencie there | forthe againe tor tos the maintenance of the p re sidencie there |
the charge whereof yt doth scarselie defraye , defraye, where | the charge whereof yt doth scarselie defraye, defraye , where |
as in this accompte , accompte, both that charge of the P -- | as in this accompte, accompte , both that charge of the P -- |
Presidencie , Presidencie, and also of of, 1000: soldyors more shalbe | Presidencie, Presidencie , and also of, of 1000: soldyors more shalbe |
maintayned :: maintayned:: | maintayned:: maintayned :: |
Eudox: I should bee well if yt could bee brought to that: | Eudox: I should bee well if yt could bee brought to that: |
now where will yow haue yo u r yor thowsand men garrissond | now where will yow haue yor yo u r thowsand men garrissond |
Iren: I would haue 100 of them placed at the Baintree | Iren: I would haue 100 of them placed at the Baintree |
where is a most fytte place , place, not onelye to deende defende | where is a most fytte place, place , not onelye to defende deende |
all that syde of the Countrie west p ar te from from | all that syde of the Countrie west p ar te from from |
forraine invasion , invasion, but also to answere all occasions | forraine invasion, invasion , but also to answere all occasions |
of troubles , trobles, to w hi ch wch that countrie , countrie, beinge so remote | of trobles, troubles , to wch w hi ch that countrie, countrie , beinge so remote |
is verie subiecte , subiecte, And surelie suerlie here also would bee | is verie subiecte, subiecte , And suerlie surelie here also would bee |
placed a good.. towne , agoodne towne, havinge both verie good haven | placed agoodne towne, a good.. towne , havinge both verie good haven |
and plentifull fishinge , fishinge, and the land beinge alreadye | and plentifull fishinge, fishinge , and the land beinge alreadye |
excheated to her ma jes tie , but beinge forceablie kept | excheated to her ma jes tie , but beinge forceablie kept |
from her by a ragtaile kerne , ragtayle kerne, that p ro clames himself | from her by a ragtayle kerne, ragtaile kerne , that p ro clames himself |
the bastard sonne of the Earle of Clarcar veear Clan car mccar beinge | the bastard sonne of the Earle of Clan car mccar Clarcar veear beinge |
called Donell mac Chartie m ac Chartie; whom yt is meete to foresee | called Donell m ac Chartie; mac Chartie whom yt is meete to foresee |
to cutt of : ffor of: For when soever the Earle shall dye | to cutt of: For of : ffor when soever the Earle shall dye |
all those landes after him are to come to her ma jes tie , | all those landes after him are to come to her ma jes tie , |
he is lyke to make a fowle styrr there , there, thoughe | he is lyke to make a fowle styrr there, there , thoughe |
of him self of noe power , power, yet throughe supportance | of him self of noe power, power , yet throughe supportance |
of some | of some |
Folio 90v | Folio 90v |
of some others , others, who lye in the wynde and looke after | of some others, others , who lye in the wynde and looke after |
the fall of that Inherytance , Another Inherytance, An other 100 would I haue | the fall of that Inherytance, An other Inherytance , Another 100 would I haue |
placed at Castlemayne w hi ch ) wch should kepe all Desmond | placed at Castlemayne ) wch w hi ch should kepe all Desmond |
and Kyrrye , Kyrrye, for yt answerethe them both most | and Kyrrye, Kyrrye , for yt answerethe them both most |
convenientlie : convenientelie: Also aboute Kylmore in the Countye | convenientelie: convenientlie : Also aboute Kylmore in the Countye |
of Corke would I haue another 200 placed w hi ch wch should | of Corke would I haue another 200 placed wch w hi ch should |
breake that neast of theeves there ; there, and answere | breake that neast of theeves there, there ; and answere |
equallye both the Countye of Lymbricke and also | equallye both the Countye of Lymbricke and also |
the Countye of Corke , Corke, Another hundred would I haue | the Countye of Corke, Corke , Another hundred would I haue |
lye at Corcke , aswell Corcke, a swell to Comaund Com m aund the Towne | lye at Corcke, a swell Corcke , aswell to Com m aund Comaund the Towne |
as also to bee readye for any foreine locasion , forreine occasion: lyke | as also to bee readye for any forreine occasion: foreine locasion , lyke |
wise , wise, at waterforde waterforde, would I place 200 , 200, for the | wise, wise , at waterforde, waterforde would I place 200, 200 , for the |
same reasons , reasons, and also for other p ri vie causes th a y t t are | same reasons, reasons , and also for other p ri vie causes y t th a t are |
noe lesse importante , importante, More over on the syde of | noe lesse importante, importante , More over on the syde of |
Arlo , nere to Muskrye wherke w hi ch wherke, wch is the Countrie | Arlo , nere to Muskrye wherke, wch wherke w hi ch is the Countrie |
of the Bourkes about would I haue | of the Bourkes about would I haue |
200 more to bee garrisoned w hi ch garrisoned, wch should scowre both | 200 more to bee garrisoned, wch garrisoned w hi ch should scowre both |
the white knightes Countrie and Arlo & Maskrye Muskrye | the white knightes Countrie and Arlo & Muskrye Maskrye |
whenkes wherkes, by w hi ch wch places all the passages of theeves | wherkes, whenkes by wch w hi ch places all the passages of theeves |
doth lye , w hi ch lye, wch convaie theire stealth from Mounster | doth lye, wch lye , w hi ch convaie theire stealth from Mounster |
downewardes downewardes, Towardes Tipperari and that Englishe englishe | downewardes, downewardes Towardes Tipperari and that englishe Englishe |
paile , paile, and from the englishe pale also vpp into Mounster | paile, paile , and from the englishe pale also vpp into Mounster |
whereof they vse to make a comon trade : com m on trade: Besydes | whereof they vse to make a com m on trade: comon trade : Besydes |
that ere longe I doubte the Countye of of, Typperarie | that ere longe I doubte the Countye of, of Typperarie |
yt self will need such a strengthe in yt w hi ch yt, wch | yt self will need such a strengthe in yt, wch yt w hi ch |
were good to bee there readye berfore readye, before the evill fall fall, | were good to bee there readye, before readye berfore the evill fall, fall |
that is dalie of some expected , expected, and thus yow see all yo u r yor | that is dalie of some expected, expected , and thus yow see all yor yo u r |
garrisons placed : placed: | garrisons placed: placed : |
Eudox: I see yt right well , well, but lett mee I praye yow by | Eudox: I see yt right well, well , but lett mee I praye yow by |
the waye , the waye, aske the reason whie in those Cytties of | the waye, the waye , aske the reason whie in those Cytties of |
Mounster , Mounster, namelye waterforde and Corke Corke, yee rather | Mounster, Mounster , namelye waterforde and Corke, Corke yee rather |
placed | placed |
Folio 91r 91r; written "90" | 91r; written "90" Folio 91r |
90 placed garrissons, then in all thothers in Ireland, for | placed garrissons, then in all thothers in Ireland, for 90 |
placed garrissons , then in all thothers in Ireland , they maye thincke them selues to haue great wronge | they maye thincke them selues to haue great wronge placed garrissons , then in all thothers in Ireland , |
to haue great wronge bee so charged aboue all the rest:. | for they maye thincke them selues to bee so charged aboue all the rest:. haue great wronge |
to bee so charged Iren: I will tell yow those twoe Cytties aboue all the rest : | Iren: I will tell yow those twoe Cytties to bee so charged aboue all the rest : |
Iren: I will tell yow those twoe Cytties aboue all the | Iren: I will tell yow those twoe Cytties aboue all the |
rest doe offer an ingate to the Spanyard moste | rest doe offer an ingate to the Spanyard moste |
fytlie , fytlie, and also the inhabytantes in habytantes of them are most ill | fytlie, fytlie , and also the in habytantes inhabytantes of them are most ill |
affected to the Englishe gou er ern ment and most freindes to | affected to the Englishe gou ern er ment and most freindes to |
the Spanyarde , Spanyarde, But yett because they shall not | the Spanyarde, Spanyarde , But yett because they shall not |
take exception to this , this, that they are charged aboue | take exception to this, this , that they are charged aboue |
all the rest, I will also laye a charge vpon thothers | all the rest, I will also laye a charge vpon thothers |
lyke wise wise, for indeed yt is noe reason that the Corporate | lyke wise, wise for indeed yt is noe reason that the Corporate |
Towens Townes enioyinge greate franchises and privilidges | Townes Towens enioyinge greate franchises and privilidges |
from her ma jes tie , and lyinge lyvinge thereby not onelie saif | from her ma jes tie , and lyvinge lyinge thereby not onelie saif |
but drawinge to them the wealth of all the lande , lande, | but drawinge to them the wealth of all the lande, lande , |
should lyve so free , free, as not to bee p ar takers of the | should lyve so free, free , as not to bee p ar takers of the |
burthen of this garrison , garrison, for theire owne saiftye saiftye, | burthen of this garrison, garrison , for theire owne saiftye, saiftye |
speciallye in this tyme of trouble , troble, and seinge all | speciallye in this tyme of troble, trouble , and seinge all |
the rest burdyned burdyned, and there fore therefore I will thus charge | the rest burdyned, burdyned and therefore there fore I will thus charge |
them all ratablie accordinge to theire abillities towardes abillities,towardes | them all ratablie accordinge to theire abillities,towardes abillities towardes |
theire maintaynance , maintaynance, the w hi ch wch her ma jes tie maye yf she shee | theire maintaynance, maintaynance , the wch w hi ch her ma jes tie maye yf shee she |
please , please, spare out of the charge of the rest , rest, and | please, please , spare out of the charge of the rest, rest , and |
reserue towardes her other costes , costes, or add to the | reserue towardes her other costes, costes , or add to the |
charge of the Presidence in the northe | charge of the Presidence in the northe |
Waterford ss___100 | Waterford ss___100 |
Corck ss___100 Clonmell ss___10 Dundalke ss___10 | Corck ss___100 Clonmell ss___10 Dundalke ss___10 |
Lymbricke ss___50 Cashell ss___10 Molingar ss___10 | Lymbricke ss___50 Cashell ss___10 Molingar ss___10 |
Galway ss___50 Eederd ss___10 Newry ss___10 | Galway ss___50 Eederd ss___10 Newry ss___10 |
Dinglecush ss___10 Kilkenny ss___25 Trym ss___10 | Dinglecush ss___10 Kilkenny ss___25 Trym ss___10 |
Kinsaile ss___10 Wexford ss___25 Ardye ss___10 | Kinsaile ss___10 Wexford ss___25 Ardye ss___10 |
Youghall ss___10 Dreodagh ss__25 Kells ss___10 | Youghall ss___10 Dreodagh ss__25 Kells ss___10 |
Kilmillocke s-------10 Kilmallocke ss___10 Rosse ss___25 Dubline ss___100 | Kilmallocke ss___10 Rosse ss___25 Dubline ss___100 Kilmillocke s-------10 |
Som m 480 Eudox: | Som m 480 Eudox: |
Folio 91v | Folio 91v |
Eudox: It is easye Iren: : to laye a charge vpon any towne | Eudox: It is easye Iren: : to laye a charge vpon any towne |
but to foresee how the same may bee answered and defrayed | but to foresee how the same may bee answered and defrayed |
is the cheif p ar te of good aduisement : aduisement: | is the cheif p ar te of good aduisement: aduisement : |
Iren: Surelie this charge w hi ch wch I putt vpon them I knowe to bee be | Iren: Surelie this charge wch w hi ch I putt vpon them I knowe to be bee |
so reasonable as that yt will not much bee felte , felte, for | so reasonable as that yt will not much bee felte, felte , for |
the ~ - Porte townes w hi ch wch haue benefyte of shippinge , shippinge, | the - ~ Porte townes wch w hi ch haue benefyte of shippinge, shippinge , |
maye cutt yt easelie of theire tradinge , tradinge, and in all | maye cutt yt easelie of theire tradinge, tradinge , and in all |
lande townes of theire Corne and cattell , cattell, Neither doe I | lande townes of theire Corne and cattell, cattell , Neither doe I |
see , see, but that since to them the bennyfite of peace | see, see , but that since to them the bennyfite of peace |
doth redownde , redownde, that they speciallie should beare | doth redownde, redownde , that they speciallie should beare |
the bourden of theire savegardes saivegardes and defence , defence, as wee | the bourden of theire saivegardes savegardes and defence, defence , as wee |
see all the Townes of the lowe countries countries, doe cut | see all the Townes of the lowe countries, countries doe cut |
vpon them selves , selves, an excise of all thinges towardes | vpon them selves, selves , an excise of all thinges towardes |
te the maintenance of the war war, that is mad in there | the te maintenance of the war, war that is mad in there |
behalf , to w hi ch behalf, to wch though these are not to bee compared | behalf, to wch behalf , to w hi ch though these are not to bee compared |
in ritches , ritches, yet are to bee charged accordine accordinge to theire | in ritches, ritches , yet are to bee charged accordinge accordine to theire |
povertie : : povertie:: | povertie:: povertie : : |
Eudox: But now that yow haue sett vpp these forces | Eudox: But now that yow haue sett vpp these forces |
of soldyers and prouided well as yow suppose for | of soldyers and prouided well as yow suppose for |
theire paye , paye, yett there remayneth to forcast how | theire paye, paye , yett there remayneth to forcast how |
they maye be victualled victualled, and where purvayance thereof | they maye be victualled, victualled and where purvayance thereof |
may be made , made, for in Ireland yt self I can not see | may be made, made , for in Ireland yt self I can not see |
how any thinge almost is to be had for them , them, beinge | how any thinge almost is to be had for them, them , beinge |
alreadye so pittifullie wasted as yt is w i th wth this shorte | alreadye so pittifullie wasted as yt is wth w i th this shorte |
tyme of warr . warr:: | tyme of warr:: warr . |
I ren: ffor Iren: For the first twoe yeres Indeed yt is needfull that | Iren: For I ren: ffor the first twoe yeres Indeed yt is needfull that |
the bee victualled out of England throughlie , throughlie, from | the bee victualled out of England throughlie, throughlie , from |
half yere to half yere aforehand , w hi ch aforehand, wch tyme they the | half yere to half yere aforehand, wch aforehand , w hi ch tyme the they |
Englishe pale shall not bee burdyned at all , all, but | Englishe pale shall not bee burdyned at all, all , but |
shall haue tyme to recou er them selues , selues, And mounster | shall haue tyme to recou er them selues, selues , And mounster |
also beinge reasonablie well stored , stored, wilby that time | also beinge reasonablie well stored, stored , wilby that time |
yf god send reasonable weather bee throughlie | yf god send reasonable weather bee throughlie |
well | well |
Folio 92r 92r; written "91" | 92r; written "91" Folio 92r |
91 well furnished to supplye agreate p ar te of that charge | well furnished to supplye agreate p ar te of that charge 91 |
well furnished to supplye a for I knowe there is greate p ar te plentye of that charge corne sent over | for I knowe there is well furnished to supplye a greate plentye p ar te of corne sent over that charge |
for I knowe there is grate plentye of corne sent over sea from thence, The wch yf they might haue sayle | sea from thence, The wch yf they might haue sayle for I knowe there is grate plentye of corne sent over |
sea from thence , The w hi ch yf for at home they might would bee gladd to haue sayle monye so nere | for at home sea from thence , The w hi ch yf they would bee gladd to might haue monye so nere sayle |
for at home they would bee gladd to haue monye sonere | for at home they would bee gladd to haue monye sonere |
hand speciallye yf they were straightlie restrayned | hand speciallye yf they were straightlie restrayned |
from transportinge of yt , yt, therevnto also there wilbe | from transportinge of yt, yt , therevnto also there wilbe |
a greate agreate helpe and furtherance gyven to the putting | agreate a greate helpe and furtherance gyven to the putting |
forward of husbandrie in all meete places , places, as here | forward of husbandrie in all meete places, places , as here |
after shall in due place appere , appere, but here after when | after shall in due place appere, appere , but here after when |
thinge thinges shall growe to a better strength and the | thinges thinge shall growe to a better strength and the |
Countrie bee replenished w i th replennished wth Corne as in shorte space | Countrie bee replennished wth replenished w i th Corne as in shorte space |
yt will yf yt bee well followed , followed, for the Countrie ~ Countrye - | yt will yf yt bee well followed, followed , for the Countrye - Countrie ~ |
people them selves are aree greate plowers and small | people them selves aree are greate plowers and small |
spenders of Corne , Corne, Then would I wishe there | spenders of Corne, Corne , Then would I wishe there |
should bee good storehowses and magasines erected | should bee good storehowses and magasines erected |
in all those great places of garrison , and in all great garris s on, | in all those great places of garris s on, garrison , and in all great |
and in all great | and in all great |
Townes aswell for the victualling of soldyers and | Townes aswell for the victualling of soldyers and |
plowes , shipps, as for all occasions of sudden seruices , as seruices, as | shipps, plowes , as for all occasions of sudden seruices, as seruices , as |
also for p re ventinge of all tymes of dearth and | also for p re ventinge of all tymes of dearth and |
scarsytie , scarsytie, in and this want is much to be complayned | scarsytie, scarsytie , in and this want is much to be complayned |
of in England , aobue England, aboue all other Countries , Countries, who ~ ~ -- | of in England, aboue England , aobue all other Countries, Countries , who -- ~ ~ |
trustinge to much to the vsuall blessing of the | trustinge to much to the vsuall blessing of the |
earthe earthe, doe never forcast any such harde seasons | earthe, earthe doe never forcast any such harde seasons |
nor any such sudden occasyons , occasyons, as these troble some | nor any such sudden occasyons, occasyons , as these troble some |
tymes maye everie daye bring forthe forthe, when yt wile wilbe | tymes maye everie daye bring forthe, forthe when yt wilbe wile |
too late to gather p ro vision from abroad , abroad, and to bringe | too late to gather p ro vision from abroad, abroad , and to bringe |
p er happs from farr , farr, for the furnishinge of shipps or | p er happs from farr, farr , for the furnishinge of shipps or |
soldyers , w hi ch soldyers, wch p er adventure maye need to bee p re sentlie | soldyers, wch soldyers , w hi ch p er adventure maye need to bee p re sentlie |
imployed , imployed, and whose want maye (w hi ch (wch god forbydd) | imployed, imployed , and whose want maye (wch (w hi ch god forbydd) |
happ to hazard a kingdome , : kingdome,:: | happ to hazard a kingdome,:: kingdome , : |
Eudox: Indeed the wante of those these magasynes of ~ - | Eudox: Indeed the wante of these those magasynes of - ~ |
victualls I haue hard oftentymes complayned of in | victualls I haue hard oftentymes complayned of in |
England | England |
Folio 92v | Folio 92v |
England and wondred at in other Countries : Countries: But that is | England and wondred at in other Countries: Countries : But that is |
nothing nothinge now to our purpose , purpose, but as for these garrissons | nothinge nothing now to our purpose, purpose , but as for these garrissons |
w hi ch wch yee haue nowe so strongelye planted , planted, throughout | wch w hi ch yee haue nowe so strongelye planted, planted , throughout |
all Ireland , Ireland, and eu er ie place warning w i th soldyers swarming wth soldyers: | all Ireland, Ireland , and eu er ie place swarming wth soldyers: warning w i th soldyers |
shall there be noe end of them : ffor them: For now thus being | shall there be noe end of them: For them : ffor now thus being |
mee semeth I doe see rather a Countrie of Warr , warr, then | mee semeth I doe see rather a Countrie of warr, Warr , then |
of peace and quiet w hi ch wch yee erst p re tended to worke in | of peace and quiet wch w hi ch yee erst p re tended to worke in |
Ireland , Ireland, for yf yow bringe all thinges to the quietnes | Ireland, Ireland , for yf yow bringe all thinges to the quietnes |
y w hi ch wch yee said what need then to maintaine so great | y wch w hi ch yee said what need then to maintaine so great |
forces as ye haue charged vpon yt :: yt:: | forces as ye haue charged vpon yt:: yt :: |
Iren: I will vnto yow Eudox: Eudox : In p ri vitie discover the drifte | Iren: I will vnto yow Eudox : Eudox: In p ri vitie discover the drifte |
of my purpose I meane (as I tould yow ) yow) and doe | of my purpose I meane (as I tould yow) yow ) and doe |
well hope hereby beth both to settle an eternall peace | well hope hereby both beth to settle an eternall peace |
in that Countrie , Countrie, and also to make yt verie p ro fitable | in that Countrie, Countrie , and also to make yt verie p ro fitable |
to her ma jes tie , the w hi ch wch I see must bee brought in | to her ma jes tie , the wch w hi ch I see must bee brought in |
by a strange hand , hand, and so contynewed vntill vntyll yt growe | by a strange hand, hand , and so contynewed vntyll vntill yt growe |
into a steadfast pe stedfast p OB course of gou er ern m en t : The w hi ch wch in this | into a stedfast p OB steadfast pe course of gou ern er m en t : The wch w hi ch in this |
sorte will neyther bee defyculte , defyculte, nor dangerous dangerous: | sorte will neyther bee defyculte, defyculte , nor dangerous: dangerous |
for the soldyer beinge once brought in for the servic e service | for the soldyer beinge once brought in for the service servic e |
into Vlster Vlster, and havinge subdued yt and Connaught Connaught: | into Vlster, Vlster and havinge subdued yt and Connaught: Connaught |
I will not haue him to laye downe his Armes any | I will not haue him to laye downe his Armes any |
more till he haue affected that w hi ch wch I purpose : purpose: | more till he haue affected that wch w hi ch I purpose: purpose : |
That is first to haue a gen agen er all composition for | That is first to haue agen a gen er all composition for |
the maintenance of these throughout the through out the | the maintenance of these through out the throughout the |
realme , realme, in regard of the troublous tymes and | realme, realme , in regard of the troublous tymes and |
dalye danger w hi ch wch is threatened to this Realme | dalye danger wch w hi ch is threatened to this Realme |
by the Kinge kinge of spaine , spaine, and there vpon to bestowe | by the kinge Kinge of spaine, spaine , and there vpon to bestowe |
all the soldyers in sorte as I haue done in done, that | all the soldyers in sorte as I haue done, done in that |
noe p ar te of all Ireland , Ireland, shalbe able to dare | noe p ar te of all Ireland, Ireland , shalbe able to dare |
so much as , quinch as, quinch, Then will I eftsones bringe in | so much as, quinch, as , quinch Then will I eftsones bringe in |
my refor | my refor |
Folio 93r 93r; written "92" | 93r; written "92" Folio 93r |
91 my reformacon of gou ern ment and therevpon establishe such | my reformacon of gou ern ment and therevpon establishe such 91 |
my reformacon an order of gou er ment and there vpon establishe such ern m en t as I maye thincke metest for the | an order my reformacon of gou ern m en t as I maye thincke metest for the er ment and there vpon establishe such |
an order good of gou er m en t as I maye thincke metest for the that realme, wch beinge once established and | good an order of that realme, wch beinge once established and gou er m en t as I maye thincke metest for the |
good of that realme , w hi ch beinge once established and all thinges putt into aright waye, I doubte not but | all thinges putt into aright waye, I doubte not but good of that realme , w hi ch beinge once established and |
all thinges putt into aright waye , I doubte not but they will rvn n on farelye, and though they would eu er seeke | they will rvn n on farelye, and though they would eu er seeke all thinges putt into aright waye , I doubte not but |
they will rvn on farelye , and though they would eu er seeke to swarue asyde, yet shall they not be able wthout | to swarue asyde, yet shall they not be able wthout they will rvn on farelye , and though they would eu er seeke |
forraine violence once to swarue asyde , yet shall they not be able w i th out remove, as yow yor self | to remove, as yow yor self swarue asyde , yet shall they not be able w i th out |
forraine violence once to remove , as yow yo u r self shall sone I hope in yor owne reason readelye -- | shall sone I hope in yor owne reason readelye -- forraine violence once to remove , as yow yo u r self |
conceaue, wch yf yt shall sone I hope in yo u r owne reason readelye ~ ~ ever appeare, then may | shall ever appeare, then may sone I hope in yo u r owne reason readelye ~ ~ |
conceaue w hi ch yf yt shall ever appeare , then may her ma jes tie at pleasure wth drawe some of her | her ma jes tie at pleasure wth drawe some of her conceaue w hi ch yf yt shall ever appeare , then may |
her ma jes tie at pleasure w i th drawe some of her garris s on, | garris s on, her ma jes tie at pleasure w i th drawe some of her |
and turne there paye into her purse , purse, or | garrison , and turne there paye into her purse, purse , or |
yf shee will neu er please so to doe , (w hi ch doe, (wch I would rather | yf shee will neu er please so to doe, (wch doe , (w hi ch I would rather |
wishe , wishe, then shall shee haue a nomber of braue ould | wishe, wishe , then shall shee haue a nomber of braue ould |
Soldyers Soldyors alwayes readye for any occasion that | Soldyors Soldyers alwayes readye for any occasion that |
shee will ymploye them vnto vnto, supplyinge there | shee will ymploye them vnto, vnto supplyinge there |
garrisons w i th wth freshe ones in theire stead , stead, the | garrisons wth w i th freshe ones in theire stead, stead , the |
maintenance of whom shalbe noe more charge | maintenance of whom shalbe noe more charge |
to her ma jes tie , then now the realme is is, for all the | to her ma jes tie then now the realme is, is , for all the |
reveinewed reveinewes thereof and much more shee spendeth | reveinewes reveinewed thereof and much more shee spendeth |
even in the most peaceable tyme that are there , there, | even in the most peaceable tyme that are there, there , |
(as thinges now stand ) stand) And in tyme of warr | (as thinges now stand) stand ) And in tyme of warr |
w hi ch wch is once now sure everie vij yeare , vii yeare, she spendeth | wch w hi ch is once now sure everie vii yeare, vij yeare , she spendeth |
infynite treasure besydes to small purpose : purpose,: | infynite treasure besydes to small purpose,: purpose : |
Eudox Eudox: I p er ceaue yo u r yor purpose but now yf yow haue | Eudox: Eudox I p er ceaue yor yo u r purpose but now yf yow haue |
thus strongelie made waye vnto yo u r reformacon yor reformac i on | thus strongelie made waye vnto yor reformac i on yo u r reformacon |
as that I see the people so humbled and p re pared . , - | as that I see the people so humbled and p re pared - . , |
that they will and must yeild to any ordynance | that they will and must yeild to any ordynance |
that shalbe gyven them , them, I doe much desyre | that shalbe gyven them, them , I doe much desyre |
to vnderstand the same , same, for in the begynninge yow | to vnderstand the same, same , for in the begynninge yow |
promised promissed to shewe in a meane how to redresse all those | promissed promised to shewe a in meane how to redresse all those |
inconveniences and abuses w hi ch wch yow shewed showed to bee in that | inconveniences and abuses wch w hi ch yow showed shewed to bee in that |
state of | state of |
Folio 93v | Folio 93v |
state of gou er ern m en t w hi ch , wch now standeth there as in the lawes | state of gou ern er m en t , wch w hi ch now standeth there as in the lawes |
Customes and religion wherein religion, where in I would gladlye know | Customes and religion, where in religion wherein I would gladlye know |
first , first, whether in stead of those lawes , lawes, yow would haue | first, first , whether in stead of those lawes, lawes , yow would haue |
newe lawes made , made, for now for ought that I see yow | newe lawes made, made , for now for ought that I see yow |
maye doe what yow please : please,: | maye doe what yow please,: please : |
Iren: I see Eudox: That yow well remember our first | Iren: I see Eudox: That yow well remember our first |
purpose , purpose, and doe rightlie contynewe the course thereof thereof: | purpose, purpose , and doe rightlie contynewe the course thereof: thereof |
ffirste therefore Firste there fore to speake of lawes , lawes, since wee first | Firste there fore ffirste therefore to speake of lawes, lawes , since wee first |
began w i th them , wth them, I doe not thincke yt convenient though | began wth them, w i th them , I doe not thincke yt convenient though |
now yt bee in the power of the Prince , Prince, to change | now yt bee in the power of the Prince, Prince , to change |
the lawes and make newe ; ffor newe: For that should breed | the lawes and make newe: For newe ; ffor that should breed |
a greate agreate trouble and confusyon , confusyon, aswell in the English | agreate a greate trouble and confusyon, confusyon , aswell in the English |
now dwellinge , dwellinge, and to be planted , planted, as also in the | now dwellinge, dwellinge , and to be planted, planted , as also in the |
Irishe :: Irishe:: for the Englishe havinge bene treyned trayned | Irishe:: Irishe :: for the Englishe havinge bene trayned treyned |
vpp alwayes in the Englishe gou er ment , ern ment, will hardly | vpp alwayes in the Englishe gou ern ment, er ment , will hardly |
bee envred envied vnto any other , other, and the Irishe would will | bee envied envred vnto any other, other , and the Irishe will would |
better be drawen to the Englishe , Englishe, then the Englishe | better be drawen to the Englishe, Englishe , then the Englishe |
to the Irishe gou er ern m en t . : Therefore since wee | to the Irishe gou ern er m en t : . Therefore since wee |
cannot now . l applye lawes fytte to the people, as | cannot now l . applye lawes fytte to the people, as |
in the first instytu c ti on of comon com m on y wealthes yt | in the first instytu ti c on of com m on comon y wealthes yt |
ought to bee , bee, wee will applye the people and | ought to bee, bee , wee will applye the people and |
fytte them to the lawes , lawes, as yt most convenient..lie convenient lie OB | fytte them to the lawes, lawes , as yt most convenient lie OB convenient..lie |
maye bee , bee, The lawes therefore wee resolue | maye bee, bee , The lawes therefore wee resolue |
shall abyde in the same sorte that they doe , doe, both | shall abyde in the same sorte that they doe, doe , both |
Comon Com m on lawes and statutes , statutes, onelye such defectes in | Com m on Comon lawes and statutes, statutes , onelye such defectes in |
the Como n lawe , lawe, and inconveniences in the statutes . statutes, | the Como n lawe, lawe , and inconveniences in the statutes, statutes . |
as in the begynninge wee noted , noted, and as men of | as in the begynninge wee noted, noted , and as men of |
deep in sight shall aduise , aduise, maye be changed by | deep in sight shall aduise, aduise , maye be changed by |
some other newe actes and ordynances to by | some other newe actes and ordynances to by |
a p ar lament there confirmed , confirmed, as those of trialls | a p ar lament there confirmed, confirmed , as those of trialls |
of pleas of the Crowne , Crowne, and p ri vate r ivate rightes bet | of pleas of the Crowne, Crowne , and p r ivate ri vate rightes bet |
betwene p ar ties | betwene p ar ties |
Folio 94r 94r; written "93" | 94r; written "93" Folio 94r |
93 betwene p ar ties coullorable conveyances accessaries: &c | betwene p ar ties coullorable conveyances accessaries: &c 93 |
betwene Eudox: But how will those be redressed by p ar ties coullorable conveyances accessaries : h ~ lamente, | Eudox: But how will those be redressed by betwene p ar lamente, ties coullorable conveyances accessaries : h ~ |
Eudox But how will those be readressed by when as the Irishe wch swaye most in p ar lamente , lament as yow | when as the Irishe wch swaye most in Eudox But how will those be readressed by p ar lament as yow lamente , |
when as the Irishe w hi ch swaye most in p ar lament as yow said shall oppose them selues against them: | said shall oppose them selues against them: when as the Irishe w hi ch swaye most in p ar lament as yow |
said shall oppose them selues against them : Iren: That may now be well avoyded, for now that | Iren: That may now be well avoyded, for now that said shall oppose them selues against them : |
Iren: That may now be well avoyded , for now that so many freeholders of Englishe shalbe established, they | so many freeholders of Englishe shalbe established, they Iren: That may now be well avoyded , for now that |
so many freeholders togeather wth Burgesses of Englishe shalbe establyshed , they Townes and such other | togeather wth Burgesses so many freeholders of Townes and such other Englishe shalbe establyshed , they |
togeather w i th Burgesses of Townes and such other loyall Irishe men as maye be p re ferred to bee knightes | loyall Irishe men as maye be p re ferred to bee knightes togeather w i th Burgesses of Townes and such other |
loyall Irishe men as maye bee p re ferred of the shire, and such lyke, wilbe able to bee knightes beard and | of the shire, and such lyke, wilbe able loyall Irishe men as maye bee p re ferred to beard and bee knightes |
of the shire , and such lyke , wilbe able to beard and | of the shire , and such lyke , wilbe able to beard and |
counterpose the rest who also beinge now broughte | counterpose the rest who also beinge now broughte |
more in awe awe, will the more easelie submitte to any | more in awe, awe will the more easelie submitte to any |
such ordynances as shalbe for the good of them selues and | such ordynances as shalbe for the good of them selues and |
that Realme gen er allie : allie: | that Realme gen er allie: allie : |
Eudox: Yow saye well for the increase of the ffreholders Freholders | Eudox: Yow saye well for the increase of the Freholders ffreholders |
for there nombers will hereby bee greatelye augmen | for there nombers will hereby bee greatelye augmen |
ted , ted, But how shall yt passe through the higher | ted, ted , But how shall yt passe through the higher |
howse will still consiste consistes all of Irishe : Irishe: | howse will still consistes consiste all of Irishe: Irishe : |
Iren: Marie that also maye welbe redressed by ensample | Iren: Marie that also maye welbe redressed by ensample |
of that w hi ch wch I hard was done in the like case , case, by king | of that wch w hi ch I hard was done in the like case, case , by king |
Edward the thirde as I remember , remember, who beinge ~ ~ -- | Edward the thirde as I remember, remember , who beinge -- ~ ~ |
greately greatelye barred and crossed by the bills of the | greatelye greately barred and crossed by the bills of the |
Clargie they being beinge then by reason of the Lord Abbotes | Clargie they beinge being then by reason of the Lord Abbotes |
and others , and others, too manye and to stronge for them , them, so | and others, and others , too manye and to stronge for them, them , so |
he could not for theire frowardnes , frowardnes, order and d | he could not for theire frowardnes, frowardnes , order and d |
reforme thinges as he desyred , desyred, was advised to | reforme thinges as he desyred, desyred , was advised to |
dyrecte forth his writtes to certaine gent lemen of best | dyrecte forth his writtes to certaine gent lemen of best |
abyllitie and trust , trust, intytlinge them therein ~ ~ -- | abyllitie and trust, trust , intytlinge them therein -- ~ ~ |
Barrons to serue and fytte sytte as Barrons in the | Barrons to serue and sytte fytte as Barrons in the |
next p ar lament , lament, by w hi ch wch meanes he had so manye | next p ar lament, lament , by wch w hi ch meanes he had so manye |
barrons in his p ar lament as were able to weighe | barrons in his p ar lament as were able to weighe |
downe the Clargie and theire freinds , the w hi ch freindes, the wch | downe the Clargie and theire freindes, the wch freinds , the w hi ch |
Barrons | Barrons |
Folio 94v | Folio 94v |
Barrons they saye were not afterwardes Lordes : Lordes: but | Barrons they saye were not afterwardes Lordes: Lordes : but |
onelye Barronytes , Barronytes, as soundrie of them doe yett retaine | onelye Barronytes, Barronytes , as soundrie of them doe yett retaine |
the name , the name, and by the lyke deuise her ma jes tie may now like | the name, the name , and by the lyke deuise her ma jes tie may now like |
wise curbe and cutt short those Irishe and vnrulye | wise curbe and cutt short those Irishe and vnrulye |
landes lordes that hinder all good p ro cedinges : : cedinges:: | lordes landes that hinder all good p ro cedinges:: cedinges : : |
Eudox: It semeth noe lesse then for reforminge of al all | Eudox: It semeth noe lesse then for reforminge of all al |
those inconvenient statues w hi ch statutes wch yee noted in the | those inconvenient statutes wch statues w hi ch yee noted in the |
begynninge and redressinge of all those evill | begynninge and redressinge of all those evill |
Customes , Customes, and lastlie for settinge sound relidgion a | Customes, Customes , and lastlie for settinge sound relidgion a |
mongst them , them, me thinckes yee shall not need to | mongst them, them , me thinckes yee shall not need to |
any more to overgoe over goe those p ar tyculers againe , w hi ch againe, wch | any more to over goe overgoe those p ar tyculers againe, wch againe , w hi ch |
yow menconed , nor menc i oned, Nor any other w hi ch wch might besydes bee | yow menc i oned, Nor menconed , nor any other wch w hi ch might besydes bee |
remembred , remembred, But to leaue all to the reformacon of | remembred, remembred , But to leaue all to the reformacon of |
such p ar lament , lament, in w hi ch wch by the good care of the | such p ar lament, lament , in wch w hi ch by the good care of the |
Lord Deputie , Deputie, and Counsell they maye all ~ ~ -- | Lord Deputie, Deputie , and Counsell they maye all -- ~ ~ |
amend , Therefore amend, There fore now that yow maye may come to that | amend, There fore amend , Therefore now that yow may maye come to that |
gen er all reformacon w hi ch reformac i on wch yow spake of , of, and bringing | gen er all reformac i on wch reformacon w hi ch yow spake of, of , and bringing |
in of all that establishm en t , by w hi ch wch yow said all me n men | in of all that establishm en t , by wch w hi ch yow said all men me n |
should bee Contayned in duetye ever after : w i th out after: wthout | should bee Contayned in duetye ever after: wthout after : w i th out |
the Terror of Warlike forces , forces, or vyolate wrest ing wresting | the Terror of Warlike forces, forces , or vyolate wresting wrest ing |
of thinges by sharpe punishm en t | of thinges by sharpe punishm en t |
Iren: I will so at yo u r pleasure , yor pleasure, the w hi ch wch mee semes can? by | Iren: I will so at yor pleasure, yo u r pleasure , the wch w hi ch mee semes by can? |
noe meanes can bee better plotted : plotted, then by ensam ple ensample | noe meanes can bee better plotted, plotted : then by ensample ensam ple |
of such other Realmes as haue bene annoyed w i th wth the | of such other Realmes as haue bene annoyed wth w i th the |
lyke evills , evills, that I re land Iland now is and vseth still to | lyke evills, evills , that Iland I re land now is and vseth still to |
bee , bee, And first in this Realme of England , England, yt | bee, bee , And first in this Realme of England, England , yt |
yt is manifest by reporte of the Cronicles and | yt is manifest by reporte of the Cronicles and |
other ancyent wryters , wryters, that yt was greatlie | other ancyent wryters, wryters , that yt was greatlie |
infected w i th in fected wth robbers and owlawes w hi ch wch lurked in | in fected wth infected w i th robbers and owlawes wch w hi ch lurked in |
woodes and fast places , places, whence they vsed often oftentymes | woodes and fast places, places , whence they vsed oftentymes often |
to breake forth into the high waies , waies, and sometimes into | to breake forth into the high waies, waies , and sometimes into |
small : small: | small: small : |
Folio 95r 95r; written "94" | 95r; written "94" Folio 95r |
94 small villages to robb and spoyle, for redresse whereof | small villages to robb and spoyle, for redresse whereof 94 |
small villages to robb and spoyle , for redresse whereof yt is wrytten, that Kinge Allured or Alfryde | yt is wrytten, that Kinge Allured or Alfryde small villages to robb and spoyle , for redresse whereof |
yt is wrytten , that Kinge Allured or Alfryde who then raigned did deuide the realme into - | who then raigned did deuide the realme into - yt is wrytten , that Kinge Allured or Alfryde |
who then raigned did deuide shyres, and the realme into ~ shyres into hundredes, into Rapes | shyres, and who then raigned did deuide the shyres into hundredes, into Rapes realme into ~ |
shyres , Rapentackes, and the shyres into hundredes , into Rapes Wapentackes into Tythinges, so that | Rapentackes, shyres , and Wapentackes into Tythinges, so that the shyres into hundredes , into Rapes |
Rapentackes , tenn tythinges made a hundred, and wapentackes into Tythinges , so that fyve made a layth | tenn tythinges made a hundred, Rapentackes , and fyve made a layth wapentackes into Tythinges , so that |
or Weapontacke, of wch tenn thythinges made a hundred , and fyve made a layth each one was bound for | tenn each one was bound for thythinges made a hundred , and fyve made a layth |
another, And the eldest or weapontacke , best of w hi ch tenn each one was bound for them whom | or best weapontacke , of them whom w hi ch tenn each one was bound for |
another , And they called the oldest Tythingman or best of them whom Borrougholder, that | they called another , And the Tythingman oldest or Borrougholder, that best of them whom |
they called the Tythingman or Borrougholder , that is the eldest pledge, became suertye for all the | is the eldest pledge, became suertye for all the they called the Tythingman or Borrougholder , that |
is the eldest pledge , became suertye for all the rest, so that yf any one of them did starte into | rest, so that yf any one of them did starte into is the eldest pledge , became suertye for all the |
any one of them did starte into vndewtifull action, the burrow holder was bound | rest , so that yf any vndewtifull action, the burrow holder was bound one of them did starte into |
any vndewtifull action , the barrow holder was bound to bringe him forth, who Ioyninge efte soones wthall | to bringe him forth, who Ioyninge efte soones wthall any vndewtifull action , the barrow holder was bound |
to bringe him forth , who Ioyninge eftsoones , with all | to bringe him forth , who Ioyninge eftsoones , with all |
his tythinge would followe the loose p er sons through all | his tythinge would followe the loose p er sons through all |
places till OB tyll they brought him in in, and yf all the | places OB tyll till they brought him in, in and yf all the |
tythinges fayled fayled, all the Tythe was charged | tythinges fayled, fayled all the Tythe was charged |
for the Tythinge , Tythinge, and yf that they fayled , fayled, then | for the Tythinge, Tythinge , and yf that they fayled, fayled , then |
all the hundred was demaunded for them , them, and yf | all the hundred was demaunded for them, them , and yf |
the hundred then thee shire , shire, who Ioyninge eft sones | the hundred then thee shire, shire , who Ioyninge eft sones |
altogeather altogeather, would not rest till OB they had found out | altogeather, altogeather would not rest till OB they had found out |
and deliu er ed in in, that vnlawfull fellowe , w hi ch fellowe, wch was | and deliu er ed in, in that vnlawfull fellowe, wch fellowe , w hi ch was |
not a meaneable ameaneable to lawe , lawe, and herein he yt | not ameaneable a meaneable to lawe, lawe , and herein he yt |
semed that good Saxon kinge followed the Counsell | semed that good Saxon kinge followed the Counsell |
of Iethro , to Moses , of, Iethro, to Moses, who aduised him to deuide | of, Iethro, to Moses, of Iethro , to Moses , who aduised him to deuide |
the people into hundredes , hundredes, and to sett Captaines and | the people into hundredes, hundredes , and to sett Captaines and |
wysemen wyse men of trust over them w hi ch wch should take | wyse men wysemen of trust over them wch w hi ch should take |
the charge of them , them, and ease him of that burthen burthen, | the charge of them, them , and ease him of that burthen, burthen |
and so did Romulus , Romulus, as yow may read deuide the | and so did Romulus, Romulus , as yow may read deuide the |
Romaines into trybbes , trybbes, and the Tribbes into Century | Romaines into trybbes, trybbes , and the Tribbes into Century |
ons or hundredes hundredes, by this ordynance the King king brought | ons or hundredes, hundredes by this ordynance the king King brought |
this realme | this realme |
Folio 95v | Folio 95v |
this Realme of England , w hi ch England, wch before was most troublesome troblesome | this Realme of England, wch England , w hi ch before was most troblesome troublesome |
that noe one badd p er son could styrr , styrr, but that he was | that noe one badd p er son could styrr, styrr , but that he was |
streight taken hould of by those of his owne tything | streight taken hould of by those of his owne tything |
and there barrowholder theire burrow holder who beinge his neighbors | and theire burrow holder there barrowholder who beinge his neighbors |
or next kynsmen kynsman was p ri vie to all his wayes , wayes, and loked | or next kynsman kynsmen was p ri vie to all his wayes, wayes , and loked |
narrowlie vnto his lyfe the w hi ch wch instytution yf yt | narrowlie vnto his lyfe the wch w hi ch instytution yf yt |
were obserued in Ireland , Ireland, would worke that effect | were obserued in Ireland, Ireland , would worke that effect |
w hi ch wch it did then in England , England, and kepe all men w i th in wthin | wch w hi ch it did then in England, England , and kepe all men wthin w i th in |
the Compasse of duetie and obedyence : obedyence: | the Compasse of duetie and obedyence: obedyence : |
Eudox: This is contrarie to that yow said before , before, for | Eudox: This is contrarie to that yow said before, before , for |
as I remember there was , was, a great disproportion bet betw | as I remember there was, was , a great disproportion betw bet |
betwene England and Ireland so as the lawes w hi ch we re wch were | betwene England and Ireland so as the lawes wch were w hi ch we re |
fyttinge of the one one, would not fytte the other , other, how | fyttinge of the one, one would not fytte the other, other , how |
comes yt then now that ye would transferr a p ri ncipal l r incipall | comes yt then now that ye would transferr a p r incipall ri ncipal l |
institution from England to Ireland : Ireland: | institution from England to Ireland: Ireland : |
Iren: This lawe by was made not by a Norman | Iren: This lawe by was made not by a Norman |
conqueror , conqueror, but by a Saxon Kinge , kinge, beinge at what | conqueror, conqueror , but by a Saxon kinge, Kinge , beinge at what |
tyme England was verie like to Ireland , Ireland, as now | tyme England was verie like to Ireland, Ireland , as now |
yt standes . ffor yt standes, For yt was I tould yow annoyed greatlie | yt standes, For yt standes . ffor yt was I tould yow annoyed greatlie |
w i th wth robbers and owtlawes , w hi ch owtlawes, wch trouble the whole | wth w i th robbers and owtlawes, wch owtlawes , w hi ch trouble the whole |
realme eu er ye Corner havinge in yt a Robbine | realme eu er ye Corner havinge in yt a Robbine |
hood that kepte all woodes and spoyled all passengers | hood that kepte all woodes and spoyled all passengers |
and inhabytantes as Ireland now hath , hath, so as mee -- | and inhabytantes as Ireland now hath, hath , so as mee -- |
seemeth this ordynance would fytte verie well and | seemeth this ordynance would fytte verie well and |
bringe them all into one : one: | bringe them all into one: one : |
Eudox: Then when yow haue thus Tythed the Comin alitie Comonaltie | Eudox: Then when yow haue thus Tythed the Comonaltie Comin alitie |
as yow saye and burrowholders over them all all, what | as yow saye and burrowholders over them all, all what |
would yee doe when ye Come to the gentlemen and gentlemen, would | would yee doe when ye Come to the gentlemen, would gentlemen and |
yow hould the same Course : Course: | yow hould the same Course: Course : |
Iren: Yea Marie marie most speciallie for this yow must | Iren: Yea marie Marie most speciallie for this yow must |
knowe | knowe |
Folio 96r 96r; written "95" | 96r; written "95" Folio 96r |
95 knowe, that all the Irishe almost, boste them selues | knowe, that all the Irishe almost, boste them selues 95 |
knowe , that all to bee gentlemen, noe lesse then the Irishe almost , both them selues Welch men | to bee gentlemen, noe lesse then knowe , that all the Welch men Irishe almost , both them selues |
to bee gentlemen , noe lesse then the welchmen | to bee gentlemen , noe lesse then the welchmen |
for yf he can deryve him self from the heade | for yf he can deryve him self from the heade |
of a septe , septe, as most of them can , can, they are expert | of a septe, septe , as most of them can, can , they are expert |
by theire Bardes , Bardes, and so holdeth him self a gent agent leman | by theire Bardes, Bardes , and so holdeth him self agent leman a gent |
and therevpon scorneth eft soones eftsoones to worke or vse | and therevpon scorneth eftsoones eft soones to worke or vse |
any handy labor , w hi ch labor, wch he say this sayth is the lyfe of a | any handy labor, wch labor , w hi ch he sayth is say this the lyfe of a |
peazante or Churle , Churle, but the fforth thensforth, eyther becometh | peazante or Churle, Churle , but thensforth, the fforth eyther becometh |
a horseboy or a stocage to some Kearne , kearne, endeavoring | a horseboy or a stocage to some kearne, Kearne , endeavoring |
him self to his weapon , weapon, and to his gen er all trade traide | him self to his weapon, weapon , and to his gen er all traide trade |
of stealinge , stealinge, so that yf a gent agent leman or any worthie | of stealinge, stealinge , so that yf agent leman a gent or any worthie |
yeoman of them haue any Children , Children, the eldest | yeoman of them haue any Children, Children , the eldest |
p er happs shalbe kepte in some order , order, but all | p er happs shalbe kepte in some order, order , but all |
the rest shall shifte for them selues . and fall | the rest shall shifte for them selues . and fall |
to their occupation , this occupation, and yt is a Comon Com m on vse amongst | to this occupation, their occupation , and yt is a Com m on Comon vse amongst |
some of there best gentlemens sonns , sonns, that so sone | some of there best gentlemens sonns, sonns , that so sone |
as they are able to vse there weapons , they weapons, they | as they are able to vse there weapons, they weapons , they |
straight geather to them selues straglers or | straight geather to them selues straglers or |
kearnes , w i th kearnes, wth whom wandring a while idelye vpp | kearnes, wth kearnes , w i th whom wandring a while idelye vpp |
and downe the countrie countrie, takeing onelye meate | and downe the countrie, countrie takeing onelye meate |
he at last falleth into some badd occasion that | he at last falleth into some badd occasion that |
shalbe offred w hi ch beng wch being once made knowen | shalbe offred wch being w hi ch beng once made knowen |
he is then fforth thensforth counted a man of worth in whom | he is thensforth then fforth counted a man of worth in whom |
theire is Courage , wherevpon Courrage, where vpon there drawe to | theire is Courrage, where vpon Courage , wherevpon there drawe to |
him manye other ligh like loose younge men , w hi ch yonge men, wch | him manye other ligh like loose yonge men, wch younge men , w hi ch |
styrrng styrring OB him vpp w i th encouragem wth encorragm en t p ro voke him | styrring OB styrrng him vpp wth encorragm w i th encouragem en t p ro voke him |
shortelie to flatt rebellyon , rebellyon, and this happens | shortelie to flatt rebellyon, rebellyon , and this happens |
not onely in the sonns of gentlemen , gentlemen, but often tymes oftentymes | not onely in the sonns of gentlemen, gentlemen , but oftentymes often tymes |
by theire noblemen noblemen, speciallye theire base borne | by theire noblemen, noblemen speciallye theire base borne |
sonns as there are fewe w i th out wthout some of them , them, for | sonns as there are fewe wthout w i th out some of them, them , for |
they are | they are |
Folio 96v | Folio 96v |
they are not ashamed onelye to acknowledge them , them, but also | they are not ashamed onelye to acknowledge them, them , but also |
boste of them and vse them in such secrete services , services, as | boste of them and vse them in such secrete services, services , as |
they them selues will not bee sene in , in, as to plauge the re there | they them selues will not bee sene in, in , as to plauge there the re |
enymies , enymies, spoyle there neighbors to opresse some of his | enymies, enymies , spoyle there neighbors to opresse some of his |
owne , owne, to stubborne freholders w hi ch wch are not tractable | owne, owne , to stubborne freholders wch w hi ch are not tractable |
to theire badd wills , wills, twoe such bastardes basterdes of the Lordes | to theire badd wills, wills , twoe such basterdes bastardes of the Lordes |
Lord Roches , Roches, they are now out in Mounster whom | Lord Roches, Roches , they are now out in Mounster whom |
hee doth not onelye Countenance but also privilie | hee doth not onelye Countenance but also privilie |
maintaine and releive nightlye amongst his | maintaine and releive nightlye amongst his |
tennantes , tennantes, such other is there there, of the Earle of -- | tennantes, tennantes , such other is there, there of the Earle of -- |
Glancartes in Desmond and many others in many | Glancartes in Desmond and many others in many |
other places : places: | other places: places : |
Eudox Then yt semeth that this ordynance of | Eudox Then yt semeth that this ordynance of |
tythinge them by the pole , pole, ys not onelye fytte | tythinge them by the pole, pole , ys not onelye fytte |
for the gentlemen but also for the noblemen , who m noblemen, whom | for the gentlemen but also for the noblemen, whom noblemen , who m |
I would haue thought to haue bene so honorable mynde s myndes | I would haue thought to haue bene so honorable myndes mynde s |
as that they should not need such a base kynde of | as that they should not need such a base kynde of |
lyvinge , lyvinge, beinge bound to theire allegeance , allegeance, should | lyvinge, lyvinge , beinge bound to theire allegeance, allegeance , should |
rather haue held in and stayed all others from | rather haue held in and stayed all others from |
vndutyfullnes , vdutyfullnes, then need to bee forced therevnto | vdutyfullnes, vndutyfullnes , then need to bee forced therevnto |
them selues : selues: | them selues: selues : |
Iren: Yett so yt is Eudox Eudox: but yett because the noble | Iren: Yett so yt is Eudox: Eudox but yett because the noble |
men cannot bee tythed there beinge not manye | men cannot bee tythed there beinge not manye |
tythinges in them , them, and also because a Borrowe | tythinges in them, them , and also because a Borrowe |
holder over them should not onelye be a greate agreate indignitie | holder over them should not onelye be agreate a greate indignitie |
but also a danger to add more power to them then | but also a danger to add more power to them then |
they haue , haue, or to make one the Comaunder Com m aunder of Tenn | they haue, haue , or to make one the Com m aunder Comaunder of Tenn |
I hould yt meete that there were onelie sewertis sewerties | I hould yt meete that there were onelie sewerties sewertis |
taken of them and one bound for another whereby | taken of them and one bound for another whereby |
yf any shall swarue his sewerties shall for | yf any shall swarue his sewerties shall for |
saifgard of theire bandes bringe him Inn , Inn, or | saifgard of theire bandes bringe him Inn, Inn , or |
seeke to | seeke to |
Folio 97r 97r; written "96" | 97r; written "96" Folio 97r |
96 seeke to serue vpon him, And besydes I would wishe them all | seeke to serue vpon him, And besydes I would wishe them all 96 |
seeke to serue vpon him to bee sworne to her ma jes tie , And besydes I would wishe them all wch they neu er yett were but at | to bee sworne to her ma jes tie seeke to serue vpon him , wch they neu er yett were but at And besydes I would wishe them all |
to bee sworne to her ma jes tie , w hi ch they neu er yett were but at the first creation, and that oath would sure containe them | the first creation, and that oath would sure containe them to bee sworne to her ma jes tie , w hi ch they neu er yett were but at |
the first creation , and that oath would sure containe them | the first creation , and that oath would sure containe them |
in dewtie greatelye or the breach of yt bringe them to | in dewtie greatelye or the breach of yt bringe them to |
sharter vengeance , vengeance, for God vseth to punishe p er iurie sharplie | sharter vengeance, vengeance , for God vseth to punishe p er iurie sharplie |
So I read in the raigne of Edward the second and also | So I read in the raigne of Edward the second and also |
of Henrie the vij vii when the tymes ver were verie | of Henrie the vii vij when the tymes ver were verie |
broken that there was a Corporate Oath oathh taken of all | broken that there was a Corporate oathh Oath taken of all |
the Lordes and best gent lemen of ffealtie Fealtie to the Kinge w hi ch wch | the Lordes and best gent lemen of Fealtie ffealtie to the Kinge wch w hi ch |
now is noe lesse needfull because many of them are | now is noe lesse needfull because many of them are |
suspected to haue taken another oathe p ri vilie to some badd | suspected to haue taken another oathe p ri vilie to some badd |
purpose , purpose, and there vpon they haue receyved the sacrament | purpose, purpose , and there vpon they haue receyved the sacrament |
and beinge sworne to a Preist w hi ch wch they thincke byndeth | and beinge sworne to a Preist wch w hi ch they thincke byndeth |
them more then theire allegeance alleageance to theire Prince | them more then theire alleageance allegeance to theire Prince |
or loue of theire Countrye : : Countrye:: | or loue of theire Countrye:: Countrye : : |
Eudox Eudox: This tythinge of the comon com m on people and taking | Eudox: Eudox This tythinge of the com m on comon people and taking |
sewerties of Lordes and gent lemen I like verie well well, but | sewerties of Lordes and gent lemen I like verie well, well but |
that yt wilbe verie troblesome , troblesome, should yt not bee | that yt wilbe verie troblesome, troblesome , should yt not bee |
a swell aswell to haue them all booked and the Lordes and | aswell a swell to haue them all booked and the Lordes and |
gent lemen to take all onely meaner sorte vpon them selues | gent lemen to take all onely meaner sorte vpon them selues |
for they are best able to bringe them in whensoever | for they are best able to bringe them in whensoever |
any of them started out :: out:: | any of them started out:: out :: |
Iren: This indeed in deed Eudox: hath bene hitherto and | Iren: This in deed indeed Eudox: hath bene hitherto and |
yett is a comon com m on order amongst them to haue all thee | yett is a com m on comon order amongst them to haue all thee |
people booked by the Lordes and gent lemen , but yt is the | people booked by the Lordes and gent lemen , but yt is the |
worst order that ever was deuised , deuised, for by this | worst order that ever was deuised, deuised , for by this |
bookinge of men , men, all the inferior sorte are brought | bookinge of men, men , all the inferior sorte are brought |
vnder thee comaund of theire Lordes and forced to | vnder thee comaund of theire Lordes and forced to |
followe them into any action what soever , whatsoever, Now this | followe them into any action whatsoever, what soever , Now this |
yee are to vnderstand that all the rebellyons w hi ch yee wch yee | yee are to vnderstand that all the rebellyons wch yee w hi ch yee |
see from tyme to tyme happen in Ireland ; Ireland, are not | see from tyme to tyme happen in Ireland, Ireland ; are not |
begunn by the Comon Com m on people but by the Lordes and | begunn by the Com m on Comon people but by the Lordes and |
Captaines of | Captaines of |
Folio 97v | Folio 97v |
Captaines of Countries vpon pride or wilfull obstynance obstynacie | Captaines of Countries vpon pride or wilfull obstynacie obstynance |
w hi ch wch whensoever they will enter into they drawe w i th wth them | wch w hi ch whensoever they will enter into they drawe wth w i th them |
all theire people , people, and such followers w hi ch wch thincke them | all theire people, people , and such followers wch w hi ch thincke them |
selues bound to goe w i th them , wth them, because they haue booked | selues bound to goe wth them, w i th them , because they haue booked |
them and vndertaken for them and this is the reason th y t | them and vndertaken for them and this is the reason y t th |
reason that the Noble men howe ever they should happen yow haue fewe such badd occasions herein England, by | yow haue fewe such badd occasions herein England, by reason that the Noble men howe ever they should happen |
to be evill disposed haue noe comaund at all over reason that the Noble men how ever they should happen | reason that to be evill disposed haue noe comaund at all over the Noble men how ever they should happen |
Comonaltye , though dwellinge vnder them , because to be evill disposed haue noe com m aund at all over the | to be evill disposed haue noe com m aund at all over the Comonaltye , though dwellinge vnder them , because |
eu er ie man standeth vpon him self and buildeth his Comonaltye, though dwellinge vnder them, because | Comonaltye, though dwellinge vnder them, because eu er ie man standeth vpon him self and buildeth his |
fortunes eu er ie man standeth vpon him self, and forme assurance . The buildeth his owne faith | eu er ie man standeth fortunes vpon him self, his owne faith and buildeth forme assurance . The |
w hi ch this manner of Tythinge the Powles will fortunes vpon his owne faith and firme assurance, The | fortunes vpon his owne faith and firme assurance, The w hi ch this manner of Tythinge the Powles will |
worke also in Ireland , for by wch this thee people manner of Tythinge the Powles will | wch worke also in Ireland , for by this manner of Tythinge the Powles will thee people |
are broken into many small p ar tes like little streams worke also in Ireland, for by this thee people | worke also in Ireland, for by this thee people are broken into many small p ar tes like little streams |
that they cannot easelye come togeather are broken into one many small p ar tes like little streames | are broken that they cannot easelye come togeather into many small p ar tes like little streames one |
that is to bee had they cannnot easelye come togeather into one | head w hi ch is the principall regard that they cannnot easelye come togeather into one is to bee had |
in Ireland , head wch is the principall regard that is to kepe him from growine into such bee had | head wch is the principall regard that is in Ireland , to bee had kepe him from growine into such |
a heade and adheringe vnto greate men : in Ireland, to kepe him from growinge into such | in Ireland, to kepe him from growinge into such a heade and adheringe vnto greate men : |
a heade and adheringe vnto greate men: | a heade and adheringe vnto greate men: |
Eudox: But yett I cannot well see how this can bee | Eudox: But yett I cannot well see how this can bee |
brought about w i th out wthout doinge greate wronge vnto | brought about wthout w i th out doinge greate wronge vnto |
the noble men there , the noblemen there, for at the Conquest of the | the noblemen there, the noble men there , for at the Conquest of the |
Realme those greate Signiories and Lordshipps | Realme those greate Signiories and Lordshipps |
were gyven them by the kinge , kinge, that they should | were gyven them by the kinge, kinge , that they should |
bee the stronger against the Irishe by the | bee the stronger against the Irishe by the |
multitude of ffollowers Followers and tena ntes tenn an tes vnder them , them, All | multitude of Followers ffollowers and tenn an tes tena ntes vnder them, them , All |
w hi ch wch hold theire Tenentes Tenem en tes of them by ffealtie Fealtie and | wch w hi ch hold theire Tenem en tes Tenentes of them by Fealtie ffealtie and |
such services whereby they are by the first | such services whereby they are by the first |
grante of the kinge made bound vnto them them, and | grante of the kinge made bound vnto them, them and |
tyed to ryse out w i th wth them vpon all occasions of | tyed to ryse out wth w i th them vpon all occasions of |
service , service, and this I haue often heard that when | service, service , and this I haue often heard that when |
the Lord | the Lord |
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the Lord haue raysed any gen er all Ostinges , Ostinges, The | the Lord haue raysed any gen er all Ostinges, Ostinges , The |
noble men haue claimed by clamed th the leadinge of them by | noble men haue clamed th claimed by the leadinge of them by |
grante grante, from the kinges of England vnder the greate great | grante, grante from the kinges of England vnder the great greate |
seale exhibyted , exhibyted, so as the deputie would not | seale exhibyted, exhibyted , so as the deputie would not |
refuse refuise them to haue the leadinge of them or yf | refuise refuse them to haue the leadinge of them or yf |
he did they would so worke as none of theire | he did they would so worke as none of theire |
followers should ryse forth to the Ostinge : Ostinge: | followers should ryse forth to the Ostinge: Ostinge : |
Iren Iren: Yee saye verie true but will ye see fruite | Iren: Iren Yee saye verie true but will ye see fruite |
of these grantes , grantes, I haue knowen when those Lordes | of these grantes, grantes , I haue knowen when those Lordes |
haue had the Leadinge of theire owne followers | haue had the Leadinge of theire owne followers |
vnder them to the gen er all Osting , Ostinges OB that they | vnder them to the gen er all Ostinges OB Osting , that they |
haue for the same cutt vpon everie plowland ~ - | haue for the same cutt vpon everie plowland - ~ |
forty shillinges or more whereby some of them | forty shillinges or more whereby some of them |
haue gathered aboue vij vii or viijCl viii C l and others much more | haue gathered aboue vii vij or viii C l viijCl and others much more |
into theire purse , purse, in lewe whereof they haue | into theire purse, purse , in lewe whereof they haue |
gathered vnto them selues selues, a nomber of loose kerne | gathered vnto them selues, selues a nomber of loose kerne |
out of all p ar tes , w hi ch tes, wch they haue Carryed forth w i th wth the m | out of all p ar tes, wch tes , w hi ch they haue Carryed forth wth w i th the m |
to whom they never gaue penny of entertainm entertainem en t , allowed allow e d | to whom they never gaue penny of entertainem entertainm en t , allow e d allowed |
by the Countrie or forced by them , them, but lett them | by the Countrie or forced by them, them , but lett them |
feed vpon the Countries extate Countries, extorte vpon all men where | feed vpon the Countries, extorte Countries extate vpon all men where |
they can ; can, for that people will never aske better | they can, can ; for that people will never aske better |
entertainm entertainem en t , then to haue a Coullor of service or | entertainem entertainm en t , then to haue a Coullor of service or |
imploym en t geven them , them, by w hi ch wch they will powle and spoile | imploym en t geven them, them , by wch w hi ch they will powle and spoile |
so out ragiouslie that as the verie Enemy cannot doe | so out ragiouslie that as the verie Enemy cannot doe |
much worse and besydes turne them selues to the | much worse and besydes turne them selues to the |
Enemy . Enemy:: | Enemy:: Enemy . |
Eudox Eudox: It seemes the first intent of those grantes | Eudox: Eudox It seemes the first intent of those grantes |
was against the Irishe w hi ch wch now some of them vse | was against the Irishe wch w hi ch now some of them vse |
against the Quene her self , herself, But now what | against the Quene herself, her self , But now what |
remedie is | remedie is |
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remedye is there for this or how can these those grantes of | remedye is there for this or how can those these grantes of |
the Kinges kinges bee avoyded w i th out wrongeisng wthout wrong ing es of those lord lordes | the kinges Kinges bee avoyded wthout wrong ing w i th out wrongeisng of those lordes lord es |
w hi ch wch had those landes and Lordshipps geven them . them. | wch w hi ch had those landes and Lordshipps geven them. them . |
**NEW HAND*** “es” ligature formed differently, “thay,” “geven,” “ware,” “ther” new spellings; hand overall less smoothly formed Iren ius suerlie thaie may be well anoughe for most of those | Iren ius suerlie thaie may be well anoughe for most of those **NEW HAND*** “es” ligature formed differently, “thay,” “geven,” “ware,” “ther” new spellings; hand overall less smoothly formed |
Iren surelie thaie may be well amonghe for most of those Lordes sence ther first grantes from the kinge by whome | Lordes sence ther first grantes from the kinge by whome Iren surelie thaie may be well amonghe for most of those |
Lordes seme there first grantes from those landes ware gyven them haue sethence bestowed the kinges by whome | those landes ware gyven them haue sethence bestowed Lordes seme there first grantes from the kinges by whome |
those landes ware gyven most p ar t of them haue sithence bestowed th e emo n ste ther kinsfolkes as eu er ie Lord | most p ar t of those landes ware gyven them emo n ste ther kinsfolkes as eu er ie Lord haue sithence bestowed th e |
most p ar t of them amoste ther kinsfolkes as eu er ie Lord | most p ar t of them amoste ther kinsfolkes as eu er ie Lord |
p er happs in his tyme haith geven ane or another | p er happs in his tyme haith geven ane or another |
of his princippall castles to his yonger sonnes and | of his princippall castles to his yonger sonnes and |
other to others as larglie and as amplie as they thay | other to others as larglie and as amplie as thay they |
ware geven to him and others thay haue sould and | ware geven to him and others thay haue sould and |
others bought w i th wch ware not in ther first grantes gra n tes | others bought wch w i th ware not in ther first gra n tes grantes |
w i th wch nowe neu er the less thay bring w i th in bringe wthin the compas | wch w i th nowe neu er the less thay bringe wthin bring w i th in the compas |
therof and take and exact vppon them as ther | therof and take and exact vppon them as ther |
first Demeanes demeanes of all those kynd of services s er vices | first demeanes Demeanes of all those kynd of s er vices services |
yea and the verie worlde wilde Irish exactions as | yea and the verie wilde worlde Irish exactions as |
Cogine Cognie & liuerie Liuerie for him and such like by w hi ch they wch thay | Cognie Cogine & Liuerie liuerie for him and such like by wch thay w hi ch they |
poll pole and vtterlie vndowe the poore tenantes ten n antes & | pole poll and vtterlie vndowe the poore ten n antes tenantes & |
frehoulders vnder them w hi ch wch ather through ignoren ignoran ce | frehoulders vnder them wch w hi ch ather through ignoran ignoren ce |
knowe knewe not ther tenurs ar tenn OB or through greatnes of | knewe knowe not ther tenn OB or tenurs ar through greatnes of |
ther newe lordes dare not chaleng them , them, yea and | ther newe lordes dare not chaleng them, them , yea and |
som lordes of contries allsoe at greate ones as as great anes as | som lordes of contries allsoe as great anes as at greate ones as |
them selves ar nowe by stronge hand brought | them selves ar nowe by stronge hand brought |
vndder vndler them and maid ther vassalls as for exampl e example | vndler vndder them and maid ther vassalls as for example exampl e |
Arundell of the strand in the countie of Cork Coeck | Arundell of the strand in the countie of Coeck Cork |
whoe was auncyantlie a great Lord ande and & | whoe was auncyantlie a great Lord and & ande |
able to spend 3 100li 3500 li by the yeare as appeareth | able to spend 3500 li 3 100li by the yeare as appeareth |
by good goode Recordes is nowe becom the lord Barries | by goode good Recordes is nowe becom the lord Barries |
man and dooth to him all those servicis w hi ch wch ar due | man and dooth to him all those servicis wch w hi ch ar due |
vnto | vnto |
Folio 99r 99r; written "98" | 99r; written "98" Folio 99r |
**HAND 1 RETURNS** vnto her ma jes tie , for reformacon of wch that theire were | vnto her ma jes tie , for reformacon of wch that theire were **HAND 1 RETURNS** |
98 a Commission granted forth vnder the greate seale as | a Commission granted forth vnder the greate seale as 98 |
vnto her ma jes tie , for reformacon of w hi ch that theire were | vnto her ma jes tie , for reformacon of w hi ch that theire were |
a Comission granted forth vnder the greate seale as | a Comission granted forth vnder the greate seale as |
I haue sene one recorded in the old Counsell booke | I haue sene one recorded in the old Counsell booke |
in Mounster in Mounster, yt was sent forth in the tyme of S i r | in Mounster, in Mounster yt was sent forth in the tyme of S i r |
Willyam Drewrie vnto p er sons of speciall trust and iudgm en t | Willyam Drewrie vnto p er sons of speciall trust and iudgm en t |
to enquire throughout all Ireland begynninge in one countie | to enquire throughout all Ireland begynninge in one countie |
first , first, and so restinge a while awhile vntill the same were | first, first , and so restinge awhile a while vntill the same were |
setled by the verdicte of sound and subtanciall substantial iurye | setled by the verdicte of sound and substantial subtanciall iurye |
how eu er ie man holdeth his landes , landes, of whom and by | how eu er ie man holdeth his landes, landes , of whom and by |
what kynde tenuor , tennor, so that eu er ie one should bee admitted | what kynde tennor, tenuor , so that eu er ie one should bee admitted |
to sho ssh o we and exhibyte what righte he hath , hath, and by what | to ssh o sho we and exhibyte what righte he hath, hath , and by what |
seruices he holdeth his land , land, whether in cheif in Cheif in | seruices he holdeth his land, land , whether in Cheif in cheif in |
Soccage or in Knight seruice , seruice, or ells what so eu soeu er y here | Soccage or in Knight seruice, seruice , or ells what soeu so eu er y here |
vpon would appere first first, how all those greate Eng | vpon would appere first, first how all those greate Eng |
lishe Lordes doe clame those greate services , services, what | lishe Lordes doe clame those greate services, services , what |
signories they vsurpe , vsurpe, what wardshipps ward shipps they take | signories they vsurpe, vsurpe , what ward shipps wardshipps they take |
from the Quene , Quene, what landes of hers her s they conceale conceald | from the Quene, Quene , what landes of her s hers they conceald conceale |
and then how those Irishe Captaines haue encroched | and then how those Irishe Captaines haue encroched |
vpon the Quenes ffreholders , Freholders, and tenn an tes , how they | vpon the Quenes Freholders, ffreholders , and tenn an tes , how they |
haue translated the tennors of them from Englishe | haue translated the tennors of them from Englishe |
holdinge into Irishe Tanist : Iryshe Tanist: and defeated her | holdinge into Iryshe Tanist: Irishe Tanist : and defeated her |
ma jes tie of all her rightes and dueties , w hi ch dueties, wch are to accrew | ma jes tie of all her rightes and dueties, wch dueties , w hi ch are to accrew |
to her there about , thereabout, as wardshipps Wardshipps Lyveries marry | to her thereabout, there about , as Wardshipps wardshipps Lyveries marry |
ages , ages, and fynes of Alye nacons w i th Alyenacons wth OB many other | ages, ages , and fynes of Alyenacons wth OB Alye nacons w i th many other |
comodyties , w hi ch com m odyties, wch now are kepte and conceald from | com m odyties, wch comodyties , w hi ch now are kepte and conceald from |
her ma jes tie to the vallue of of, 60 000l yerelye , 000 l yerely, I dare | her ma jes tie to the vallue of, of 60 000 l yerely, 000l yerelye , I dare |
vnder take in all Ireland by that w hi ch wch I knowe | vnder take in all Ireland by that wch w hi ch I knowe |
in one Countye . : Countye,: | in one Countye,: Countye . : |
Eudox: This Iren: would seme a dangerous Comissio n | Eudox: This Iren: would seme a dangerous Comissio n |
by this and reddye to styrr vpp all the Irish | by this and reddye to styrr vpp all the Irish |
who knowinge that they haue nothing to show for | who knowinge that they haue nothing to show for |
all those landes w hi ch wch they hould ; hould, but theire swordes | all those landes wch w hi ch they hould, hould ; but theire swordes |
would | would |
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would , would, rather drawe them , them, then suffer theire landes | would, would , rather drawe them, them , then suffer theire landes |
to bee thus drawen awaye from them : them: | to bee thus drawen awaye from them: them : |
Iren Neither should theire landes be taken awaye | Iren Neither should theire landes be taken awaye |
from them , them, nor the vtter most vttermost advantages enforced | from them, them , nor the vttermost vtter most advantages enforced |
against them them, but this by the discression of the ~ - | against them, them but this by the discression of the - ~ |
Comissioners should bee made knowen vnto them ~ ~ -- | Comissioners should bee made knowen vnto them -- ~ ~ |
that yt is not her ma jes ties meaninge to vse any such | that yt is not her ma jes ties meaninge to vse any such |
extremitie but onelye to reduce things thinges into order | extremitie but onelye to reduce thinges things into order |
of Englishe lawe and make them hold there landes | of Englishe lawe and make them hold there landes |
of her ma jes tie , and restore to her her due seruices | of her ma jes tie , and restore to her her due seruices |
w hi ch wch they detaine , detaine, not of those landes w hi ch wch were | wch w hi ch they detaine, detaine , not of those landes wch w hi ch were |
antientelie holden of her , her, and that they should not | antientelie holden of her, her , and that they should not |
onelye bee thrust out , out, but also haue estates and gra n ts tes | onelye bee thrust out, out , but also haue estates and gra n tes ts |
of theire landes now made to them from her ma jes tie | of theire landes now made to them from her ma jes tie |
so as they should thenceforth thence forth hold them rightfullie | so as they should thence forth thenceforth hold them rightfullie |
w hi ch wch they now vsurpe most wrongefullie , wrongefullie, and yett | wch w hi ch they now vsurpe most wrongefullie, wrongefullie , and yett |
w i th all wthall I would wishe that in all those Irishe | wthall w i th all I would wishe that in all those Irishe |
Countries there were some land reserued to her | Countries there were some land reserued to her |
ma jes ties free disposition , disposition, for the better contayninge of | ma jes ties free disposition, disposition , for the better contayninge of |
the rest and entermedlinge them w i th Englishe wth English In | the rest and entermedlinge them wth English w i th Englishe In |
habytantes , habytantes, and Customes , Customes, that knowledge might still | habytantes, habytantes , and Customes, Customes , that knowledge might still |
bee hadd by them of all theire doinges , doinges, so as | bee hadd by them of all theire doinges, doinges , so as |
noe manner mannor of practize or conspiracye should bee | noe mannor manner of practize or conspiracye should bee |
in hande amongst them , them, but notice should bee | in hande amongst them, them , but notice should bee |
gyven thereof by one meanes or another , another, and there | gyven thereof by one meanes or another, another , and there |
practizes p re vented :: vented:: | practizes p re vented:: vented :: |
Eudox: Trulye neyther can the Irishe Irish nor Englishe English | Eudox: Trulye neyther can the Irish Irishe nor English Englishe |
lordes Lordes thincke them selues wronged or hardlie ~ - | Lordes lordes thincke them selues wronged or hardlie - ~ |
delte w i th all herein , wthall herein, to haue that indeed w hi ch wch is | delte wthall herein, w i th all herein , to haue that indeed wch w hi ch is |
none of theire owne at all , all, but her ma jes ties absolut | none of theire owne at all, all , but her ma jes ties absolut |
lie gyven vnto them w i th wth such equall condycons as they þ a y t | lie gyven vnto them wth w i th such equall condycons as they y þ a t |
both they | both they |
Folio 100r 100r; written "99" | 100r; written "99" Folio 100r |
99 both they maye be assured thereof better then they are, and | both they maye be assured thereof better then they are, and 99 |
both they maye be assured thereof better then they are , and also her ma jes tie not defrauded of hir right vtterlie, for yt is | also her ma jes tie not defrauded of hir right vtterlie, for yt is both they maye be assured thereof better then they are , and |
also her ma jes tie not defrauded of hir right vtterlie , agreate grace wth a for yt is the prince take that wth Condycons wch | agreate grace wth a also her ma jes tie not defrauded of hir right vtterlie , for the prince take that wth Condycons wch yt is |
a greate grace for w i th a is absolutelie her owne, thus shall the prince take that w i th condycons w hi ch Irishe bee | is absolutelie her owne, thus shall a greate grace for w i th a the Irishe bee prince take that w i th condycons w hi ch |
is absolutelie her owne , thus shall well satisfyed, and as for the Irishe bee greate men wch had such | well satisfyed, and as for is absolutelie her owne , thus shall the greate men wch had such Irishe bee |
well satisfyed , and as for the greate men w hi ch had such | well satisfyed , and as for the greate men w hi ch had such |
grante made them at first by the Kinges of England was | grante made them at first by the Kinges of England was |
in regarde they should kepe out the Irishe and to t OB defend | in regarde they should kepe out the Irishe and t OB to defend |
the Kinges right and his subiectes , subiectes, but now seinge | the Kinges right and his subiectes, subiectes , but now seinge |
that in steade of defendinge them they robb and spoile | that in steade of defendinge them they robb and spoile |
them , them, and insteade in steade of keping out the Irishe , Irishe, they | them, them , and in steade insteade of keping out the Irishe, Irishe , they |
doe not onelie make the Irishe theire tena ntes tenn an tes in those | doe not onelie make the Irishe theire tenn an tes tena ntes in those |
landes and thrust out the Englishe , Englishe, but also they them | landes and thrust out the Englishe, Englishe , but also they them |
selfes become more mere Irishe w i th wth marryinge w i th wth | selfes become mere more Irishe wth w i th marryinge wth w i th |
them , them, fosteringe w i th wth them and companiinge w i th wth | them, them , fosteringe wth w i th them and companiinge wth w i th |
them against the Quene , Quene, but what reasons but those | them against the Quene, Quene , but what reasons but those |
grantes and p ro cedinges should bee eyther revoked a or | grantes and p ro cedinges should bee eyther revoked a or |
at least reduced to theire first intencon intenc i on for w hi ch wch | at least reduced to theire first intenc i on intencon for wch w hi ch |
they were granted , granted, for surelye in my opynion they | they were granted, granted , for surelye in my opynion they |
were more sharpelie to bee Chastized , Chastized, and refor | were more sharpelie to bee Chastized, Chastized , and refor |
med then the rude Irishe , w hi ch Irishe, wch beinge verie wyld | med then the rude Irishe, wch Irishe , w hi ch beinge verie wyld |
is now become some what somewhat more Civill , Civill, when | is now become somewhat some what more Civill, Civill , when |
as Englishe from Civillitie are growen to be wild | as Englishe from Civillitie are growen to be wild |
and mere Irishe . Irishe,: | and mere Irishe,: Irishe . |
Iren: Indeed as yee saye Eudox: These doe need a | Iren: Indeed as yee saye Eudox: These doe need a |
sharpe reformacon reformac i on then the verye Irish Irishe for | sharpe reformac i on reformacon then the verye Irishe Irish for |
they are much more stubborne , stubborne, and disobedyente to | they are much more stubborne, stubborne , and disobedyente to |
lawe and gou er ern m en t then the Irishe bee , bee, and much more Ma ma | lawe and gou ern er m en t then the Irishe bee, bee , and much more ma Ma |
llytious the Englishe that dalie are sente | llytious the Englishe that dalie are sente |
over : over: | over: over : |
Eudox: It is I s it possible I pray yow how comes yt to passe | Eudox: I s it It is possible I pray yow how comes yt to passe |
what might bee the reason thereof , .......... thereof, m OB they | what might bee the reason thereof, m OB they thereof , .......... |
Irenius saye | Irenius saye |
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Iren Iren: saye Marie they saye that the land is theires only onely | Iren: Iren saye Marie they saye that the land is theires onely only |
right beinge first conquered by theire ancytors , their ancytors, and | right beinge first conquered by their ancytors, theire ancytors , and |
that they are wronged by the Newe Englishe mens entring | that they are wronged by the Newe Englishe mens entring |
therevnto , therevnto, whom they call so S OB Sassona that is in | therevnto, therevnto , whom they call S OB so Sassona that is in |
Englishe w i th wth as greate reproch as they would rate a dogg | Englishe wth w i th as greate reproch as they would rate a dogg |
and that some of theire ancyetors were in tymes past a | and that some of theire ancyetors were in tymes past a |
where they were Civill and vncorrupted deputies | where they were Civill and vncorrupted deputies |
and Iustices of the land , land, they thincke that the | and Iustices of the land, land , they thincke that the |
lyke aucthoritie should bee comitted vnto them , them, and | lyke aucthoritie should bee comitted vnto them, them , and |
the charge of the realme lefte in theire handes | the charge of the realme lefte in theire handes |
w hi ch wch for that they see now otherwise disposed , disposed, and that | wch w hi ch for that they see now otherwise disposed, disposed , and that |
trust not gyven them w hi ch wch theire ancyetors had | trust not gyven them wch w hi ch theire ancyetors had |
they thincke them selues greatelie endygnified | they thincke them selues greatelie endygnified |
and disgraced thereby , thereby, and so growe both discontented | and disgraced thereby, thereby , and so growe both discontented |
and vndewtifull :: vndewtifull:: | and vndewtifull:: vndewtifull :: |
Eudox: In truth Irenius this is more then ever I hard | Eudox: In truth Irenius this is more then ever I hard |
that the Englishe Irishe there should bee worse | that the Englishe Irishe there should bee worse |
then the wyld Irishe , Irishe, Lord how quicklie doth | then the wyld Irishe, Irishe , Lord how quicklie doth |
that Countrie alter mens natures , natures, It is not for | that Countrie alter mens natures, natures , It is not for |
nothing I p er ceaue that I haue hearde the Counsell | nothing I p er ceaue that I haue hearde the Counsell |
of England thincke yt noe good pollycie to haue that | of England thincke yt noe good pollycie to haue that |
realme reformed reformd or planted w i th Englishe , wth Englishe, least | realme reformd reformed or planted wth Englishe, w i th Englishe , least |
they should growe so vnduetifull as the Irishe had Irishe, A nd | they should growe so vnduetifull as the Irishe, A nd Irishe had |
become much more dangerous as appeareth appereth by the | become much more dangerous as appereth appeareth by the |
example of Lacyes , Lacyes, in the tyme of Edwarde | example of Lacyes, Lacyes , in the tyme of Edwarde |
the second , w hi ch Second, wch yow spake of , of, that shooke of there | the Second, wch second , w hi ch yow spake of, of , that shooke of there |
religion to theire naturall Prince deuisinge to | religion to theire naturall Prince deuisinge to |
make him kinge of Ireland , : Ireland,: | make him kinge of Ireland,: Ireland , : |
Iren: Ireni: No tymes haue bene w i th out wthout badd men , men, but | Ireni: Iren: No tymes haue bene wthout w i th out badd men, men , but |
as for that purpose of the Counsell of England | as for that purpose of the Counsell of England |
w hi ch wch ye speake , speake, they should kepe the realme from | wch w hi ch ye speake, speake , they should kepe the realme from |
reformation | reformation |
Folio 101r 101r; written "100" | 101r; written "100" Folio 101r |
100 reformation, I thincke they are most lewdlie abused for | reformation, I thincke they are most lewdlie abused for 100 |
reformation , I thincke they are most lewdlie abused for | reformation , I thincke they are most lewdlie abused for |
theire great carefullnes and earnest endeauor doe | theire great carefullnes and earnest endeauor doe |
wytnesse the contrarie , contrarie, neither is the nature of the | wytnesse the contrarie, contrarie , neither is the nature of the |
countrie to alter a mans mann er s , s, but the badd mindes myndes | countrie to alter a mans mann er s, s , but the badd myndes mindes |
of them whom hauvinge havinge bene brought vpp at home | of them whom havinge hauvinge bene brought vpp at home |
vnder a straight rule of duetie and obedyence , obedyence, beinge | vnder a straight rule of duetie and obedyence, obedyence , beinge |
alwayes restrayned by sharpe pennalties , pennalties, from | alwayes restrayned by sharpe pennalties, pennalties , from |
lewde behavior , behavior, so soone as the come thither , thither, where | lewde behavior, behavior , so soone as the come thither, thither , where |
they see lawe so slacklie tended , tended, and the harde ~ ~ -- | they see lawe so slacklie tended, tended , and the harde -- ~ ~ |
w hi ch wch they were vsed vnto now slacked , slacked, they growe | wch w hi ch they were vsed vnto now slacked, slacked , they growe |
more loose and carelesse of theire duetie , duetie, as yt is | more loose and carelesse of theire duetie, duetie , as yt is |
the nature of all men to loue libertie , libertie, so they | the nature of all men to loue libertie, libertie , so they |
become flatt libertynes and fall to flatt lycencious | become flatt libertynes and fall to flatt lycencious |
nesse nesse, more boldlie daringe to disabaye the lawe | nesse, nesse more boldlie daringe to disabaye the lawe |
through p re sumption , sumption, of favor and frindshipp , frindshipp, then any | through p re sumption, sumption , of favor and frindshipp, frindshipp , then any |
Irishe dare . Irish dare,: | Irish dare,: Irishe dare . |
Eudox Eudox: Then yf yt bee soe mee thinckes you wished yor late | Eudox: Eudox Then yf yt bee soe mee thinckes yor late you wished |
the Irishe to be sowed and sprinckled w i th the English aduisem en t was verie evill, whereby yow wished | aduisem en t was verie evill, whereby yow wished the Irishe to be sowed and sprinckled w i th the English |
the Irishe countries to haue be sowed and sprinckled wth the English planted | in all the Irishe countries to be sowed and sprinckled wth the haue English planted |
amongst them for to bringe them to Englishe in all the Irish countries to haue English planted | in all the Irish countries to haue English planted amongst them for to bringe them to Englishe |
fashions amongst them , Since the for to bringe them to Englishe bee soner drawen | amongst them fashions , for to bringe them to Since the Englishe bee soner drawen |
to the Irishe , then the Irishe to fashions, Since the Englishe bee soner drawen | fashions, Since to the Irishe , then the Irishe to the Englishe bee soner drawen |
ffor as I said before they much runn w i th the streame to the Irishe, then the Irishe to the Englishe | to the Irishe, then the Irishe to the Englishe ffor as I said before they much runn w i th the streame |
the greater will carrye awaye the lesse , there For as I said before they much runn wth the streame | For as I said before they much runn wth the streame the greater will carrye awaye the lesse , there |
fore me semed by this reason , yt should be better to p ar te the greater will carrye awaye the lesse, there | the greater will carrye awaye the lesse, there fore me semed by this reason , yt should be better to p ar te |
the Irishe then the Englishe , then mingle them fore me semed by this reason, yt should be better to p ar te | fore me semed by this reason, yt should be better to p ar te the Irishe then the Englishe , then mingle them |
togeather : the Irishe then the Englishe, then mingle them | the Irishe then the Englishe, then mingle them togeather : |
Iren: Not so Eudox But where ther there is noe good togeather: | togeather: Iren: Not so Eudox But where ther there is noe good |
ostaye of gou er m en t and stronge Ordynances to hold them Iren: Not so Eudox But whe re ther there is noe good | Iren: Not so Eudox But whe re ther there is noe good ostaye of gou er m en t and stronge Ordynances to hold them |
there indeed , the fewer will followe the more staye of gou ern m en t and stronge Ordynances to hold them | staye of gou ern m en t and stronge Ordynances to hold them there indeed , the fewer will followe the more |
But where there indeed, the fewer will followe the more | there indeed, the fewer will followe the more But where |
But where: | But where: |
Folio 101v | Folio 101v |
But where there is due order of decyplyne and good | But where there is due order of decyplyne and good |
rule , rule, there the better shall goe formost , formost, and the worst | rule, rule , there the better shall goe formost, formost , and the worst |
shall followe , followe, And therefore , therefore, since Ireland is full | shall followe, followe , And therefore, therefore , since Ireland is full |
of her owne nation , nation, that maye not bee rooted out | of her owne nation, nation , that maye not bee rooted out |
and some what stored w i th wth englishe alreadye and more | and some what stored wth w i th englishe alreadye and more |
to be I thincke yt best by an vnion of mann er s e rs and confor | to be I thincke yt best by an vnion of mann e rs er s and confor |
mitie of myndes , myndes, to bringe them to bee one people , people, | mitie of myndes, myndes , to bringe them to bee one people, people , |
and to putt awaye the dislike full concepte both of the | and to putt awaye the dislike full concepte both of the |
one and the other , w hi ch other, wch wilbe by noe meanes better then by this | one and the other, wch other , w hi ch wilbe by noe meanes better then by this |
enter mingelinge entermingelinge of them , them, that neyther all the Irishe | entermingelinge enter mingelinge of them, them , that neyther all the Irishe |
maye dwell togeather , togeather, nor all the Englishe , Englishe, but | maye dwell togeather, togeather , nor all the Englishe, Englishe , but |
by translatinge of them them, and scattringe them in small | by translatinge of them, them and scattringe them in small |
nombers , nombers, amongst the Englishe , Englishe, not onelye to bring | nombers, nombers , amongst the Englishe, Englishe , not onelye to bring |
them by dalye conversation vnto better lykinge of | them by dalye conversation vnto better lykinge of |
each other , other, but also to make both of them lesse able | each other, other , but also to make both of them lesse able |
to hurte : to hurte: And therefore when I come to the Tything | to hurte: to hurte : And therefore when I come to the Tything |
I will tythe them one w i th another ; wth another, and for the most | I will tythe them one wth another, w i th another ; and for the most |
p ar te will make the Irishe man the Tythingman ~ - | p ar te will make the Irishe man the Tythingman - ~ |
whereby he shall take the lesse exception to ~ to- | whereby he shall take the lesse exception to- to ~ |
p ar ciallatie , ciallatie, and yett bee the more tyed there by by: | p ar ciallatie, ciallatie , and yett bee the more tyed there by: by |
But when I come , come, to the Tythinge I will Ty | But when I come, come , to the Tythinge I will Ty |
head burrowe w hi ch wch is the heade of the lathe Lathe him | head burrowe wch w hi ch is the heade of the Lathe lathe him |
will I make an Englishe man or Irishe man of noe | will I make an Englishe man or Irishe man of noe |
small assurance assurance, As also when I come to appointe | small assurance, assurance As also when I come to appointe |
the Elderman that is the head of the hundred him | the Elderman that is the head of the hundred him |
will I surelie chuse an English man of speciall | will I surelie chuse an English man of speciall |
regard , regard, that maye bee a staye and piller p i ller of all | regard, regard , that maye bee a staye and p i ller piller of all |
the Burroughes vnder him : : him:: | the Burroughes vnder him:: him : : |
Eudox: What doe w i th yow meane by yo u r hundred , yor hundred, and what | Eudox: What doe yow w i th meane by yor hundred, yo u r hundred , and what |
by yo u r Burrough , by yor Burrough, by that w hi ch wch I haue redd in ancient anceint | by yor Burrough, by yo u r Burrough , by that wch w hi ch I haue redd in anceint ancient |
recordes of England , England, an hundred did containe 100 | recordes of England, England , an hundred did containe 100 |
vyllages , vyllages, or as some saye an C plowlandes being | vyllages, vyllages , or as some saye an C plowlandes being |
the same w hi ch the Saxons , wch the Saxons, called a Cantred : Cantred: The | the same wch the Saxons, w hi ch the Saxons , called Cantred: a Cantred : The |
w hi ch wch | wch w hi ch |
Folio 102r 102r; number written "1001" | 102r; number written "1001" Folio 102r |
1001 The wch cantred as I fynde recorded in the blacke | The wch cantred as I fynde recorded in the blacke 1001 |
The w hi ch cantred as I fynde recorded in the blacke booke of Ireland, did contayne 30 villatas terre , wch some | booke of Ireland, did contayne 30 villatas terre , wch some The w hi ch cantred as I fynde recorded in the blacke |
booke call quarters of Ireland , did contayne 30 villatas terre, w hi ch some land, and eu er ie Villata, can maintaine | call quarters booke of land, and eu er ie Villata, can maintaine Ireland , did contayne 30 villatas terre, w hi ch some |
call quarters of land , and eu er ie Vallata , can maintaine | call quarters of land , and eu er ie Vallata , can maintaine |
400 Cowes in pasture and the 400 Cowes to bee deuided | 400 Cowes in pasture and the 400 Cowes to bee deuided |
in fower heades , heades, so as none of them shall come nere | in fower heades, heades , so as none of them shall come nere |
another , another, eu er ie villata contayneth 17 plowlandes as ys | another, another , eu er ie villata contayneth 17 plowlandes as ys |
there sett downe . , And by that w hi ch wch I haue redd is of | there sett downe , . And by that wch w hi ch I haue redd of is |
a Burrough yt signifieth a free towne , w hi ch towne, wch had | a Burrough yt signifieth a free towne, wch towne , w hi ch had |
a principall offycer , offycer, called an head burrough to | a principall offycer, offycer , called an head burrough to |
become ruler and vndertake for all , all, the dwellers | become ruler and vndertake for all, all , the dwellers |
vnder him him, havinge for the same same franchises | vnder him, him havinge for the same same franchises |
and p ri vilidges granted them by the kinge whereof | and p ri vilidges granted them by the kinge whereof |
yt was called a free burrough of the lawer lawyer | yt was called a free burrough of the lawyer lawer |
Franciplegiu m : | Franciplegiu m : |
Iren: Both that w hi ch wch yee said Eudox: Eudox : is true , true, and yett | Iren: Both that wch w hi ch yee said Eudox : Eudox: is true, true , and yett |
that w hi ch that wch I saye not vntrewe , vntrewe, for that w hi ch wch yee speake | that wch that w hi ch I saye not vntrewe, vntrewe , for that wch w hi ch yee speake |
of deuidinge the Countrie into hundreds hundredes was a deuisio n | of deuidinge the Countrie into hundredes hundreds was a deuisio n |
of the landes of the realme , realme, But this w hi ch wch I tell , is was | of the landes of the realme, realme , But this wch w hi ch I tell was , is |
of the people who were thus devyded , but devyded, by the poll so | of the people who were thus devyded, by devyded , but the poll so |
that an hundred in this sence signifieth , signifieth, C pledges | that an hundred in this sence signifieth, signifieth , C pledges |
w hi ch wch were vnder the Comaund and assurance of theire Alder | wch w hi ch were vnder the Comaund and assurance of theire Alder |
men , men, the w hi ch wch as I suppose was also called a weapon weopon | men, men , the wch w hi ch as I suppose was also called a weopon weapon |
tacke , tacke, so named of touchinge the wapon or sparke | tacke, tacke , so named of touchinge the wapon or sparke |
of theire Alderman and swearinge to follow him | of theire Alderman and swearinge to follow him |
faithfullie and serue theire Prince trulie trulie, But | faithfullie and serue theire Prince trulie, trulie But |
others , others, thincke that a weoportacke weopontacke was 10 hundredes | others, others , thincke that a weopontacke weoportacke was 10 hundredes |
or Burroughes , Burroughes, likewise a Burrough as I here | or Burroughes, Burroughes , likewise a Burrough as I here |
vse yt , yt, and as the old lawes still vsed yt is | vse yt, yt , and as the old lawes still vsed yt is |
not a Burrough Towne as they now call yt , yt, that | not a Burrough Towne as they now call yt, yt , that |
is a franchist Towne but a mayne pledge of c C free | is a franchist Towne but a mayne pledge of C c free |
p er sons therefore called a free burrough freeburrough or (as ye said | p er sons therefore called a freeburrough free burrough or (as ye said |
saye Franciplegiu m , for Borth in ould Saxon saye | saye Franciplegiu m , for Borth in ould Saxon saye |
signifieth signifyeth | signifyeth signifieth |
Folio 102v | Folio 102v |
signifieth signifiethe a pledges or suertie , and yt yett is so vsedth in | signifiethe signifieth a pledges or suertie , and yt yett is so vsedth in |
some speaches , speaches, as Chaucer saythe St S t John to Barrow | some speaches, speaches , as Chaucer saythe S t St John to Barrow |
that is for assurance and warrantie : warrantie: | that is for assurance and warrantie: warrantie : |
Eudox: I conceaue the difference but now that ye haue | Eudox: I conceaue the difference but now that ye haue |
thus deuided the people into these tythings those tythinges and hundredes | thus deuided the people into those tythinges these tythings and hundredes |
how will ye haue them so p er re serued and contynewed , contynewed, for | how will ye haue them so p re er serued and contynewed, contynewed , for |
people doe growe vpp into strength of yeares & bec | people doe growe vpp into strength of yeares & bec |
and become men | and become men |
Iren Iren: These hundredes I would to assemble them selues once | Iren: Iren These hundredes I would to assemble them selues once |
eu er ie yeare w i th wth theire pledges , pledges, and to p re sente them ~ them- | eu er ie yeare wth w i th theire pledges, pledges , and to p re sente them- them ~ |
selues before the Iustices of th e ye peace w hi ch wch shalbe there | selues before the Iustices of ye th e peace wch w hi ch shalbe there |
vnto appointed , appointed, to bee survayed and nombred , nombred, to see | vnto appointed, appointed , to bee survayed and nombred, nombred , to see |
what change hath happened since the yeare before before, | what change hath happened since the yeare before, before |
and the defectes defectes, and to supplye of those yonge | and the defectes, defectes and to supplye of those yonge |
plantes late growen vpp w hi ch wch are deligentlye to | plantes late growen vpp wch w hi ch are deligentlye to |
bee ^ ou er looked and veiwed , veiwed, of what Condycon and ~ Condyc i on and - | bee ^ ou er looked and veiwed, veiwed , of what Condyc i on and - Condycon and ~ |
demeanour they bee , bee, so as pldeges pledges may bee taken | demeanour they bee, bee , so as pledges pldeges may bee taken |
for them , them, and they putt into order of some tything | for them, them , and they putt into order of some tything |
of all w hi ch alteracons , wch alteracons, note is to bee taken and | of all wch alteracons, w hi ch alteracons , note is to bee taken and |
bookes made thereof accordinglie :: accordinglie:: | bookes made thereof accordinglie:: accordinglie :: |
Eudox: , Now mee thinckes Irenius ye are to be warned | Eudox: , Now mee thinckes Irenius ye are to be warned |
to take good head , head, least vnawarrs yee ye fall into the | to take good head, head , least vnawarrs ye yee fall into the |
inconveniencies w hi ch wch yow form er lie found faulte w i th wth in | inconveniencies wch w hi ch yow form er lie found faulte wth w i th in |
others , others, namely that by this boking of them yow doe | others, others , namely that by this boking of them yow doe |
not gather them into a newe head , head, and having broken | not gather them into a newe head, head , and having broken |
theire form er strength strength, doe not againe vinte vnite them | theire form er strength, strength doe not againe vnite vinte them |
more stronglie , for eu er y Alderman havinge all his | more stronglie , for eu er y Alderman havinge all his |
free pledges of his hundred , hundred, vnder his Comaund , Comaund, may | free pledges of his hundred, hundred , vnder his Comaund, Comaund , may |
l me thinckes , mee thinckes, yf he bee yll disposed disposed, drawe all | l mee thinckes, me thinckes , yf he bee yll disposed, disposed drawe all |
his Companye into any evill action and lykwise | his Companye into any evill action and lykwise |
by this assemblinge OB of them once a yeare vnto | by this assemblinge OB of them once a yeare vnto |
theire theire: | theire: theire |
Folio 103r 103r; written "1002" | 103r; written "1002" Folio 103r |
102 | 102 |
vnto there Alderman by theire weapontackes take | vnto there Alderman by theire weapontackes take |
head least ye also giue them occasion and meanes | head least ye also giue them occasion and meanes |
to practize any harme in any conspirecye : conspirocye: | to practize any harme in any conspirocye: conspirecye : |
Iren: Neither of both is to bee doubted , dubted, for the Elder | Iren: Neither of both is to bee dubted, doubted , for the Elder |
man and he and burrowes headburrowes will not bee such men of | man and headburrowes he and burrowes will not bee such men of |
power and countenance of them selues being to | power and countenance of them selues being to |
bee chosen therevnto , therevnto, as need to bee feared , feared, neyther | bee chosen therevnto, therevnto , as need to bee feared, feared , neyther |
yf hee were were, is his hundred at his comaund | yf hee were, were is his hundred at his comaund |
farther further then his princes service , service, and also eu er ie | further farther then his princes service, service , and also eu er ie |
tythingman maye controll him in such a Casse | tythingman maye controll him in such a Casse |
and as for the assemblinge of the hundred | and as for the assemblinge of the hundred |
as for the assemblinge of the hundred | as for the assemblinge of the hundred |
much lesse is any danger thereof to bee | much lesse is any danger thereof to bee |
doubted seing seeinge yt is before a Iustice of peace | doubted seeinge seing yt is before a Iustice of peace |
or some high Constable to bee there vnto appointed , appointed, | or some high Constable to bee there vnto appointed, appointed , |
so as of those Tythinges there can noe p er ill ensewe , ensewe, | so as of those Tythinges there can noe p er ill ensewe, ensewe , |
but a certaine assurance of peace and great good | but a certaine assurance of peace and great good |
for they aree thereby w i th drawen wthdrawen from theire lordes | for they aree thereby wthdrawen w i th drawen from theire lordes |
and subiected to theire Prince , Prince, Moreover for | and subiected to theire Prince, Prince , Moreover for |
the breakinge of these heades and septes w hi ch wch | the breakinge of these heades and septes wch w hi ch |
I told yow was one of the greatest strengthes | I told yow was one of the greatest strengthes |
of the Irishe , Irishe, me thinckes yt should doe verie | of the Irishe, Irishe , me thinckes yt should doe verie |
well to renewe that old Statute that was | well to renewe that old Statute that was |
made in the raigne of in England , England, | made in the raigne of in England, England , |
By w hi ch wch yt was Comaunded , comaunded, that whereas all men | By wch w hi ch yt was comaunded, Comaunded , that whereas all men |
that vsed to be called by the name of theire | that vsed to be called by the name of theire |
septes according to there seu er all nations and hadd | septes according to there seu er all nations and hadd |
noe surnames at all , all, that from thenceforthe thence forthe | noe surnames at all, all , that from thence forthe thenceforthe |
each one should take vnto him self a seu er all | each one should take vnto him self a seu er all |
surname of OB eyther of his trade or facultie or | surname OB of eyther of his trade or facultie or |
of some : | of some : |
Folio 103v | Folio 103v |
of some qualltie of his bodye or mynde , mynde, or of the place | of some qualltie of his bodye or mynde, mynde , or of the place |
where he dwelte , dwelte, so as everie one should bee distinquished distinguished | where he dwelte, dwelte , so as everie one should bee distinguished distinquished |
from other or from the most p ar te whereby where by they shall | from other or from the most p ar te where by whereby they shall |
not onelye not depend vpon the head of theire sept as | not onelye not depend vpon the head of theire sept as |
now they doe , doe, but also shall in shorte tyme learne quite | now they doe, doe , but also shall in shorte tyme learne quite |
to forgette this Irishe nation and herew i th all herewthall would | to forgette this Irishe nation and herewthall herew i th all would |
I also wishe , wishe, all the Others Othes and the markes w hi ch wch | I also wishe, wishe , all the Othes Others and the markes wch w hi ch |
the heades of septes haue taken to theire names to bee | the heades of septes haue taken to theire names to bee |
vtterlye vterrlye forbydden and extinguished , extinguished, for that the same | vterrlye vtterlye forbydden and extinguished, extinguished , for that the same |
beinge an ould old mann er (as some sayth ) sayth) first made by Obri en Obrin | beinge an old ould mann er (as some sayth) sayth ) first made by Obrin Obri en |
for the strengtheninge of the Irishe , Irishe, the abrogating | for the strengtheninge of the Irishe, Irishe , the abrogating |
thereof will as much enfeble them | thereof will as much enfeble them |
Eudox: I lyke this ordynance verie well , well, but now þ a y t | Eudox: I lyke this ordynance verie well, well , but now y þ a t |
yow haue thus deuided and distinguished them what other | yow haue thus deuided and distinguished them what other |
order will yow take for there manner of lyfe , for lyfe, for | order will yow take for there manner of lyfe, for lyfe , for |
all this through though p er happs yt maye kepe them from | all this though through p er happs yt maye kepe them from |
dissobedyence and disloyaltie , disloyaltie, yet will yt not | dissobedyence and disloyaltie, disloyaltie , yet will yt not |
bringe them from theire barborisme and salvage lyfe | bringe them from theire barborisme and salvage lyfe |
Iren: The next that I will doe shalbe to appoint to eu er ie | Iren: The next that I will doe shalbe to appoint to eu er ie |
one that is not able to lyve of his frehold a certaine | one that is not able to lyve of his frehold a certaine |
trade of lyfe to w hi ch wch he shall fynde him self fyttest | trade of lyfe to wch w hi ch he shall fynde him self fyttest |
and shalbe thought a blest , ablest, the w hi ch wch trade he shalbe shalbbe | and shalbe thought ablest, a blest , the wch w hi ch trade he shalbbe shalbe |
bound to followe and lyve onelye therevpon , therevpon, All | bound to followe and lyve onelye therevpon, therevpon , All |
trades therefore ys to be vnderstood to bee of three | trades therefore ys to be vnderstood to bee of three |
kyndes , mannuell kyndes, Mannuell intellectuall and mixed , mixed, the one | kyndes, Mannuell kyndes , mannuell intellectuall and mixed, mixed , the one |
Contayninge all such as need the exercyse of bodelie | Contayninge all such as need the exercyse of bodelie |
labour to the p er formance of theire p ro fession , the fession, the | labour to the p er formance of theire p ro fession, the fession , the |
other consistinge onelye of the exercyse of witt | other consistinge onelye of the exercyse of witt |
and reason , and reason, the thirde p ar te of bodelye labour and | and reason, and reason , the thirde p ar te of bodelye labour and |
p ar te of the wytt , wytt, but depending of Industrye and | p ar te of the wytt, wytt , but depending of Industrye and |
Carefulnes | Carefulnes |
Folio 104r 104r; written "1003" | 104r; written "1003" Folio 104r |
. 103 Carefulness, Of the first sorte bee all handye craftes | Carefulness, Of the first sorte bee all handye craftes . 103 |
Carefulnes , Of and husbandrie labour, of the first sorte second bee all handyecraftes scyences | and husbandrie labour, of Carefulnes , Of the second first sorte bee all scyences handyecraftes |
and husbandrie labour , those wch are called the liberrall the Artes, of the second bee all scyences | and those wch are called the liberrall the Artes, husbandrie labour , of the second bee all scyences |
third is marchandrie and those w hi ch are called the liberall the Artes ; of the chufferye, that is buyinge | and chufferye, that is buyinge those w hi ch are called the liberall the Artes ; of the |
and chafferye , that is buyinge sellinge, And wthout all these three theire is noe | third is marchandrie and sellinge, And wthout all these three theire is noe chafferye , that is buyinge |
noe Comon wealth can almost consist or at the least | and sellinge , And w i th out all these three there is noe Comon wealth can almost consist or at the least |
moe Comon wealth can almost consist or at the least be p er fect, But that wretched Realme of Ireland | be p er fect, But that wretched Realme of Ireland moe Comon wealth can almost consist or at the least |
be p re sent , But wanteth the most principall of Ireland them, that wretched Realme is the | wanteth the most principall be p re sent , But that is the wretched Realme of them, Ireland |
wanteth the most principall of them , that is the Intellectuall, Therefore in sekinge to refore her | Intellectuall, Therefore in sekinge to refore her wanteth the most principall of them , that is the |
Intellectuall , Therefore in sekinge estate yt is speciallie to refor m e her bee looked vnto, But | estate yt is speciallie Intellectuall , Therefore in sekinge to bee looked vnto, But refor m e her |
estate yt is speciallie to bee looked Because of husbandrye wch supplyeth vnto , But vs all | Because of husbandrye wch supplyeth estate yt is speciallie to bee looked vnto vs all , But |
Because of husbandrye w hi ch supplyeth vnto vs all | Because of husbandrye w hi ch supplyeth vnto vs all |
thinges necessarie for food whereby wee cheifelye | thinges necessarie for food whereby wee cheifelye |
lyve , lyve, therefore it is first to be p ro vided uided for The first | lyve, lyve , therefore it is first to be p ro uided vided for The first |
thinge then that wee care OB are to drawe , drawe, these newe | thinge then that wee OB are care to drawe, drawe , these newe |
tythed men vnto ought to be husbandrie , husbandrie, first because | tythed men vnto ought to be husbandrie, husbandrie , first because |
yt is the most easie to bee learned , learned, nedinge onelie | yt is the most easie to bee learned, learned , nedinge onelie |
the labour of the bodye , bodye, next because yt is most | the labour of the bodye, bodye , next because yt is most |
naturall , naturall, and lastlie because yt is most needful needfull | naturall, naturall , and lastlie because yt is most needfull needful |
enemye to warr and most hateth vnquietnesse , vnquietnesse, as | enemye to warr and most hateth vnquietnesse, vnquietnesse , as |
the Poett sayth sayth, Bella execrata Colonis , But ~ - | the Poett sayth, sayth Bella execrata Colonis , But - ~ |
husbandrye beinge the Nurse of thirste thrifte and the | husbandrye beinge the Nurse of thrifte thirste and the |
daughter of Industrie , Industrie, and labour detesteth all | daughter of Industrie, Industrie , and labour detesteth all |
that maye may worke her scathe and distroye the | that may maye worke her scathe and distroye the |
travell of her handes , handes, whose hope is all her | travell of her handes, handes , whose hope is all her |
lyves comforte vnto the plough , plough, there fore are all | lyves comforte vnto the plough, plough , there fore are all |
those Kearne Stochars Stochas and horseboyes to bee driven | those Kearne Stochas Stochars and horseboyes to bee driven |
ad and made to imploye that ablenesse of bodye w hi ch wch | ad and made to imploye that ablenesse of bodye wch w hi ch |
they wonte to vse to thefte and villanye henceforth | they wonte to vse to thefte and villanye henceforth |
to labour and husbandrie , husbandrie, In the w hi ch wch by that tyme | to labour and husbandrie, husbandrie , In the wch w hi ch by that tyme |
they haue spent but a lyttle paine , paine, they will find | they haue spent but a lyttle paine, paine , they will find |
such swetnes | such swetnes |
Folio 104v | Folio 104v |
such swetenes and happye Contentm en t , that they will | such swetenes and happye Contentm en t , that they will |
hardlie afterwardes be hayled awaye from yt or | hardlie afterwardes be hayled awaye from yt or |
drawne from theire wonted lewde lyfe in theiferie | drawne from theire wonted lewde lyfe in theiferie |
and rogerie , and rogerie, and beinge this once enterred therevnto | and rogerie, and rogerie , and beinge this once enterred therevnto |
they are not onelie to be countenanced and encourraged encorraged | they are not onelie to be countenanced and encorraged encourraged |
by all good meanes , meanes, but also p ro vided that theire | by all good meanes, meanes , but also p ro vided that theire |
children after them maye bee brought vpp in the | children after them maye bee brought vpp in the |
lykewise in that same and succeed in the romes of | lykewise in that same and succeed in the romes of |
theire fathers , fathers, To w hi ch wch end there is a statute in | theire fathers, fathers , To wch w hi ch end there is a statute in |
Ireland all readye well prouided w hi ch wch comaundeth | Ireland all readye well prouided wch w hi ch comaundeth |
that all the sonnes of husbandmen husbandmon shalbe trayned | that all the sonnes of husbandmon husbandmen shalbe trayned |
vpp in theire fathers trade , trade, the but yt is god wote | vpp in theire fathers trade, trade , the but yt is god wote |
verie slenderlie loked vnto : vnto: | verie slenderlie loked vnto: vnto : |
Eudox: , But doe yow not counte in this trade of husb | Eudox: , But doe yow not counte in this trade of husb |
andrie pasturinge of Cattell and kepinge of theire | andrie pasturinge of Cattell and kepinge of theire |
Cowes , Cowes, for that is reckoned as a p ar te of husbandrie husbandrie: | Cowes, Cowes , for that is reckoned as a p ar te of husbandrie: husbandrie |
Iren I knowe yt is and needfullie to be vsed , vsed, but | Iren I knowe yt is and needfullie to be vsed, vsed , but |
I doe not meane to allowe any of these able bodies | I doe not meane to allowe any of these able bodies |
w hi ch wch are able to vse bodelie labour , labour, to followe a fewe | wch w hi ch are able to vse bodelie labour, labour , to followe a fewe |
Cowes , grasinge , Cowes, grasinge, but such impotente p er sons as being | Cowes, grasinge, Cowes , grasinge , but such impotente p er sons as being |
vnable for stronge travell , travell, are yet able to driue | vnable for stronge travell, travell , are yet able to driue |
Cattell to and fro the pasture , ffor pasture, For this keping of | Cattell to and fro the pasture, For pasture , ffor this keping of |
Cowes ys of yt self a verie averie Idle lyfe and a fytt | Cowes ys of yt self averie a verie Idle lyfe and a fytt |
nurserie for a theif , ffor w hi ch theif,: For wch cause yee remember | nurserie for a theif,: For wch theif , ffor w hi ch cause yee remember |
I disliked ^ the Irishmann ye Irish mann er for kepinge of Bollies in sommer vpon | I disliked ye Irish mann ^ the Irishmann er for kepinge of Bollies in sommer vpon |
the mountaine and lyvinge after that salvage sorte | the mountaine and lyvinge after that salvage sorte |
But yf they will alwayes feed in m any Cattle or kepe | But yf they will alwayes feed m in any Cattle or kepe |
them on the mountaines , mountaines, lett them make some townes | them on the mountaines, mountaines , lett them make some townes |
nere to the mountaines syde where they maye dwell | nere to the mountaines syde where they maye dwell |
togeather w i th neigbors wth neighbors and bee conversant in the | togeather wth neighbors w i th neigbors and bee conversant in the |
vewe veiwe of the world , world, And to saye truth though | veiwe vewe of the world, world , And to saye truth though |
Ireland | Ireland |
Folio 105r 105r; written "1004" | 105r; written "1004" Folio 105r |
1074 Ireland bee by nature counted agreate soyle of - | Ireland bee by nature counted agreate soyle of - 1074 |
Ireland bee by nature counted a greate soyle of pasture, yett had I rather haue fewer Cowes kept | pasture, yett had I rather haue fewer Cowes kept Ireland bee by nature counted a greate soyle of |
pasture , yett had I rather and men better mannred, then to haue fewer Cowes kept such huge | and men better mannred, then to pasture , yett had I rather haue such huge fewer Cowes kept |
increase of Cattell, and men better mannreed , then to haue such huge noe increase of good | and noe increase of good men better mannreed , then to haue such huge |
increase of Cattell , and noe increase of good Condycons, I would therefore wishe that there were | Condycons, I would therefore wishe that there were increase of Cattell , and noe increase of good |
Condycons , I would therefore wishe some ordynance made amongst them, that there were what so OB | some ordynance made amongst them, Condycons , I would therefore wishe that what so OB there were |
some ordynance made amongst them , that what so eu er kepeth 20 kien should kepe a plough goinge, for other | eu er kepeth 20 kien should kepe a plough goinge, for other some ordynance made amongst them , that what so |
eu er kepeth 20 kien should kepe a plough goinge , for other | eu er kepeth 20 kien should kepe a plough goinge , for other |
wise all men would fall to pasturaige and none to | wise all men would fall to pasturaige and none to |
husbandrie , w hi ch husbandrie, wch is a great agreat cause of this dear th , dea r th, now | husbandrie, wch husbandrie , w hi ch is agreat a great cause of this dea r th, dear th , now |
in England , England, and a cause of the vsuall Countries that stealthes - | in England, England , and a cause of the vsuall stealthes - Countries that |
lyve nowe in such sorte by kepinge of Cattle , and yow shall Ireland, for looke into all Countries that | nowe lyve in Ireland, for looke into all Countries that such sorte by kepinge of Cattle , and yow shall |
lyve in such sorte by kepinge of Cattle, and yow shall | lyve in such sorte by kepinge of Cattle, and yow shall |
fynde that they are verie barbarous and vncyvill | fynde that they are verie barbarous and vncyvill |
and ^ a lso also greatlie geven to warr , warr, The Tartarians Tartanians | and also ^ a lso greatlie geven to warr, warr , The Tartanians Tartarians |
the Muscovites , the Norwayes , the Muscovites, the Norwayes, the Gotes , the | the Muscovites, the Norwayes, the Muscovites , the Norwayes , the Gotes , the |
Armenians and many other doe wytnes the same | Armenians and many other doe wytnes the same |
And there fore therefore since noe now wee purpose to drawe | And therefore there fore since noe now wee purpose to drawe |
the Irishe , Irishe, from desyre of warrs and tumultes | the Irishe, Irishe , from desyre of warrs and tumultes |
to the loue of peace and civillitie , Civillitie, It is expedient | to the loue of peace and Civillitie, civillitie , It is expedient |
to abridge , abridge, theire Custome of heardinge and augment | to abridge, abridge , theire Custome of heardinge and augment |
theire more trade of tillinge and husbandrie , husbandrie, as | theire more trade of tillinge and husbandrie, husbandrie , as |
for other occupations and trades they need not to be enforced | for other occupations and trades they need not to be enforced |
to , to, but eu er ye man bound onelie to followe that he | to, to , but eu er ye man bound onelie to followe that he |
thinckes him self aptest for , ffor for, For other trades of Ar | thinckes him self aptest for, For for , ffor other trades of Ar |
tyficers wilbe occupyed and for verie necessitie and | tyficers wilbe occupyed and for verie necessitie and |
constrayned vse of them , them, And so likewise will | constrayned vse of them, them , And so likewise will |
marchandize for the gaine thereof , thereof, But learning | marchandize for the gaine thereof, thereof , But learning |
and bringine bringinge vpp in liberrall scyences will not come | and bringinge bringine vpp in liberrall scyences will not come |
of yt self but must bee drawen on w i th wth straight | of yt self but must bee drawen on wth w i th straight |
lawes and ordynances , ordynances, And therefore yt were meete | lawes and ordynances, ordynances , And therefore yt were meete |
that such | that such |
Folio 105v | Folio 105v |
that such an acte were ordayned ordayned. That all the sonnes | that such an acte were ordayned. ordayned That all the sonnes |
of Lordes and gent lemen and such others as are able to | of Lordes and gent lemen and such others as are able to |
bringe them vpp in Learninge , Learninge, should be traynd vpp | bringe them vpp in Learninge, Learninge , should be traynd vpp |
herein from theire Childhoodes Childhoodes, And for that end | herein from theire Childhoodes, Childhoodes And for that end |
eu er ie p ar ishe should bee forced to keepe one Pettie | eu er ie p ar ishe should bee forced to keepe one Pettie |
scholemaster , scolemaster, adioyninge vnto the p ar ishe charge churge to bee | scolemaster, scholemaster , adioyninge vnto the p ar ishe churge charge to bee |
the more in veiwe , w hi ch veiwe, wch should bringe vpp theire childre n | the more in veiwe, wch veiwe , w hi ch should bringe vpp theire childre n |
in the first rudymentes of l ett res , res, and that in eu er ie | in the first rudymentes of l ett res, res , and that in eu er ie |
Countrie or Barrowrye they Barronrye other should epe kepe another | Countrie or Barronrye other Barrowrye they should kepe epe another |
able scolemaster , w hi ch scolemaster, wch should instruct them in | able scolemaster, wch scolemaster , w hi ch should instruct them in |
grammer , grammer, and in the principles of scyences to whom | grammer, grammer , and in the principles of scyences to whom |
they should be compelled to send theire youthe to | they should be compelled to send theire youthe to |
bee discyplined , discyplined, whereby they will in shorte time | bee discyplined, discyplined , whereby they will in shorte time |
growe vpp to that Civill conversation conversation, that both the | growe vpp to that Civill conversation, conversation that both the |
children will loathe the form er rudnesse in w hi ch wch they | children will loathe the form er rudnesse in wch w hi ch they |
were bredd , bredd, and also there parence will even by then some thensam | were bredd, bredd , and also there parence will even by thensam then some |
p ar te ple of there yonge Children , Children, p er ceaue the fowlenes of | ple p ar te of there yonge Children, Children , p er ceaue the fowlenes of |
there theire owne brutishe behauior compared to theirs , ffor , theirs, For | theire there owne brutishe behauior compared to theirs, For theirs , ffor , |
learninge hath that wonderfull power of yt self | learninge hath that wonderfull power of yt self |
that yt can soften and temp er the most stearne and | that yt can soften and temp er the most stearne and |
salvage nature : nature: | salvage nature: nature : |
Eudox: Surelie I am of yow yor mynd that nothinge will | Eudox: Surelie I am of yor yow mynd that nothinge will |
bringe them from there vncyvell life soner then lear | bringe them from there vncyvell life soner then lear |
ninge and discipline , discipline, next after the knowledge | ninge and discipline, discipline , next after the knowledge |
and feare of god , god, And therefore I doe still expect | and feare of god, god , And therefore I doe still expect |
that yee should come there vnto and sett some order ~ ~ -- | that yee should come there vnto and sett some order -- ~ ~ |
for reformacon reformac i on of religion w hi ch wch is first to bee ~~ bee-- | for reformac i on reformacon of religion wch w hi ch is first to bee-- bee ~~ |
respected accordinge to the sayinge of Christ ~~ Christ-- | respected accordinge to the sayinge of Christ-- Christ ~~ |
first seeke the kingdome of heaven and the righ | first seeke the kingdome of heaven and the righ |
tuousnesse thereof : thereof: | tuousnesse thereof: thereof : |
Iren: I haue | Iren: I haue |
Folio 106r 106r; written "1005" | 106r; written "1005" Folio 106r |
1005 Iren I haue in mynde so to doe, But lett me I pray | Iren I haue in mynde so to doe, But lett me I pray 1005 |
Iren I haue yow first fynishe that wch I had in mynde so to doe , But lett me I pray hand, wherby | yow first fynishe that wch I had Iren I haue in hand, wherby mynde so to doe , But lett me I pray |
yow first fynishe that w hi ch I had in hand , whereby all the ordynances wch shall after after wardes | all the ordynances wch shall after after wardes yow first fynishe that w hi ch I had in hand , whereby |
all the ordynances w hi ch shall after after wardes | all the ordynances w hi ch shall after after wardes |
bee sett for religion may abyde the more firmelie and | bee sett for religion may abyde the more firmelie and |
bee obserued more deligentelie , deligentelie, Now that this ~ - | bee obserued more deligentelie, deligentelie , Now that this - ~ |
people is thus tythed there wilbe some straglers | people is thus tythed there wilbe some straglers |
and runnagates and ordred and eu er ie one bound vnto | and runnagates and ordred and eu er ie one bound vnto |
some honest trade of lyfe w hi ch wch shalbe p ar ticulerlie | some honest trade of lyfe wch w hi ch shalbe p ar ticulerlie |
entred and sett downe in Tythinge bookes bookes, yett p er happs | entred and sett downe in Tythinge bookes, bookes yett p er happs |
there wilbe some straglers and runnagates w hi ch wch | there wilbe some straglers and runnagates wch w hi ch |
will not of them selues come in and yeild them | will not of them selues come in and yeild them |
selues to this order , order, And yett after the well fynish | selues to this order, order , And yett after the well fynish |
inge of the p re sente warr , warr, and establishinge of | inge of the p re sente warr, warr , and establishinge of |
the garrisons in all stronge places of the Countrie | the garrisons in all stronge places of the Countrie |
where there wounted refuge was most most, I suppose | where there wounted refuge was most, most I suppose |
there will fewe stande out , out, or yf they doe they | there will fewe stande out, out , or yf they doe they |
will shortelie bee brought in by the eares : eares: | will shortelie bee brought in by the eares: eares : |
But yett afterwardes least any one of these should | But yett afterwardes least any one of these should |
swarue or any that is tyed to a trade should afterw | swarue or any that is tyed to a trade should afterw |
ardes not followe the same according to this ~ ~ -- | ardes not followe the same according to this -- ~ ~ |
Institution , Institution, but should stragle vpp and downe the | Institution, Institution , but should stragle vpp and downe the |
Countrye or myche in Corners amongst there | Countrye or myche in Corners amongst there |
freindes , freindes, idlye as Carrowe and Bardes Iesters | freindes, freindes , idlye as Carrowe and Bardes Iesters |
and such lyke , lyke, I would wishe that there were | and such lyke, lyke , I would wishe that there were |
a provost m ar shall appointed in eu er ie shire w hi ch wch | a provost m ar shall appointed in eu er ie shire wch w hi ch |
should countynewallie contynewallie walke through the Countrie | should contynewallie countynewallie walke through the Countrie |
w i th wth half dozen of or half a score , store, horsemen to | wth w i th half dozen of or half a store, score , horsemen to |
take vpp such looes loose p er sons as they should finde thus | take vpp such loose looes p er sons as they should finde thus |
wandr ing , wand r ing, whom he should punishe by his owne | wand r ing, wandr ing , whom he should punishe by his owne |
aucthoritie | aucthoritie |
Folio 106v | Folio 106v |
aucthoritie w i th wth such paines as the p er sons should seme | aucthoritie wth w i th such paines as the p er sons should seme |
to deserue , deserue, for yf he bee but once so taken ydelye | to deserue, deserue , for yf he bee but once so taken ydelye |
roginge he may maye punishe him more lightlie ~ lightlie- | roginge he maye may punishe him more lightlie- lightlie ~ |
as w i th stookes wth strookes or such like , like, But yf he bee found | as wth strookes w i th stookes or such like, like , But yf he bee found |
againe so loytring he may maye scourge him w i th whipps wth whipp s | againe so loytring he maye may scourge him wth whipp s w i th whipps |
or roddes , roddes, After w hi ch wch if hee bee againe taken | or roddes, roddes , After wch w hi ch if hee bee againe taken |
lett him haue the bitternes of the m ar shall lawe | lett him haue the bitternes of the m ar shall lawe |
likewise like wise yf any rellickes of the old rebbellion | like wise likewise yf any rellickes of the old rebbellion |
bee found by him , him, that eyther haue not come in | bee found by him, him , that eyther haue not come in |
and submitteth him self , self, to the lawe , lawe, or that | and submitteth him self, self , to the lawe, lawe , or that |
havinge once come in doe breake forth againe | havinge once come in doe breake forth againe |
or walke disorderlie , disorderlie, let them tast taist of the same | or walke disorderlie, disorderlie , let them taist tast of the same |
cupp in godes name for yt was due to them for theire first | cupp in godes name for yt was due to them for theire first |
guilte , guilte, and now beinge revived by theire latter loosenes loosenes, lett | guilte, guilte , and now beinge revived by theire latter loosenes, loosenes lett |
them haue there theire first deserte , defecte, as now beinge found vnfytt | them haue theire there first defecte, deserte , as now beinge found vnfytt |
to lyve in a comon wealth : com m on wealth: | to lyve in a com m on wealth: comon wealth : |
Eudox Eudox: This were a good agood mann er , but mee thinkes thinckes | Eudox: Eudox This were agood a good mann er , but mee thinckes thinkes |
yt is an vnnecessarie charge and also vnfytte to ~~ -- | yt is an vnnecessarie charge and also vnfytte to -- ~~ |
contynewe the name or forme of any m ar shall law | contynewe the name or forme of any m ar shall law |
when as theire is a p ap ro p er officer alreadye appointed for | when as theire is ap a p ro p er officer alreadye appointed for |
these turnes , turnes, to witte the sherif of the shire whose | these turnes, turnes , to witte the sherif of the shire whose |
perticular offyce yt is to walke contynewallie | perticular offyce yt is to walke contynewallie |
vpp and downe downe, his Balliwicke as yee wold would would would | vpp and downe, downe his Balliwicke as yee would would wold would |
haue a m ar shall to snatch vpp all those Runnagates | haue a m ar shall to snatch vpp all those Runnagates |
and vnp ro fitable members , members, and to bringe them to | and vnp ro fitable members, members , and to bringe them to |
his gaole to bee punished for the same , same, therefore | his gaole to bee punished for the same, same , therefore |
this maye welbe spared : spared: | this maye welbe spared: spared : |
Iren: Not so mee semes for though the sherif haue that | Iren: Not so mee semes for though the sherif haue that |
aucthoritie vpon him self to take vpp all such | aucthoritie vpon him self to take vpp all such |
straglers and ymp ri son them , them, yett shall he not doe | straglers and ymp ri son them, them , yett shall he not doe |
so much good nor worke that terror in the hartes | so much good nor worke that terror in the hartes |
of them | of them |
Folio 107r 107r; written "1006" | 107r; written "1006" Folio 107r |
1006 of them, that a m ar shall will, when they shall knowe | of them, that a m ar shall will, when they shall knowe 1006 |
to haue power of them , that a m ar shall will , when they shall knowe life and death, in such Caises & | of life and death, in such Caises & them , that a m ar shall will , when they shall knowe |
speciallie to haue power of life and death , in such Caises & bee appointed for them: neither doth yt | to bee appointed for them: neither doth yt haue power of life and death , in such Caises & |
speciallie hinder, but that though yt p er taine, to bee appointed for them neither doth the sherife | hinder, but that though speciallie to the sherife bee appointed for them neither doth yt p er taine, |
hinder but that though yt p er taine to maye doe therein, what he can, and yett the sherife m ar shall | maye doe therein, what he can, and yett hinder but that though yt p er taine to the m ar shall sherife |
maye walke his course besides, for both of them maye doe therein , what he can , and yett the m ar shall | maye doe therein , what he can , and yett the m ar shall |
maye walke his course besides , for both of them maye doe the more good and maye terrefie the Idle rogue, | the more good and maye terrefie the Idle rogue, maye walke his course besides , for both of them maye doe |
the more good and maye terrefie the Idle rogue knowinge that thoughe he haue a watche vpon the | knowinge that thoughe he haue a watche vpon the the more good and maye terrefie the Idle rogue |
knowinge that though one yett he haue a watche maye ligh vpon the other, but this p ro viso | one yett knowinge that though he maye ligh haue a watche vpon the other, but this p ro viso |
one yett he maye light vpp is need full to bee had in this p ro viso case, that the other , but | is need full to bee had in one yett he maye light vpp the other , but this case, that p ro viso |
sherif maye not haue the like power of life as the | sherif maye not haue the like power of life as the |
m ar shall hathe , hathe, and as heretofore they haue bene | m ar shall hathe, hathe , and as heretofore they haue bene |
accustomed , accustomed, for yt is dangerous to giue power of life | accustomed, accustomed , for yt is dangerous to giue power of life |
into the handes of him w hi ch wch maye haue benefyte bennefyte by the | into the handes of him wch w hi ch maye haue bennefyte benefyte by the |
p ar ties death , death, As yf the said loose lyver haue anye | p ar ties death, death , As yf the said loose lyver haue anye |
goodes of his owne the sherif is as to seize therevpon thervpon | goodes of his owne the sherif as is to seize thervpon therevpon |
where by yt hath comen com m en ofte to passe that some who | where by yt hath com m en comen ofte to passe that some who |
haue not p er happs deserued iudgement of deathe | haue not p er happs deserued iudgement of deathe |
though otherwise p er happs offendinge , offendinge, haue bene for | though otherwise p er happs offendinge, offendinge , haue bene for |
theire goodes slake sake caught vpp and carried streight | theire goodes sake slake caught vpp and carried streight |
to the bough bough, A thinge indeed pittifull pyttifull and verie | to the bough, bough A thinge indeed pyttifull pittifull and verie |
horrible horrible, Therefore by noe meanes would I wishe | horrible, horrible Therefore by noe meanes would I wishe |
the Sherif to haue such aucthoritie aucthoritie, nor yett to | the Sherif to haue such aucthoritie, aucthoritie nor yett to |
ymp ri son that oosell loosell till the Sessions , Sessions, for so all ~ -- | ymp ri son that loosell oosell till the Sessions, Sessions , for so all -- ~ |
gaols might soone bee fylled , fylled, but to send him to the | gaols might soone bee fylled, fylled , but to send him to the |
m ar shall who eftsones fynding him faultie shall | m ar shall who eftsones fynding him faultie shall |
gyve him meete Correction and rydd him away | gyve him meete Correction and rydd him away |
forth w i th : forthwth: | forthwth: forth w i th : |
Eudox: Eudox I doe nowe p er ceaue yo u r yor reason well , well, but come wee | Eudox Eudox: I doe nowe p er ceaue yor yo u r reason well, well , but come wee |
now to that whereof wee earst spake I meane to | now to that whereof wee earst spake I meane to |
religion and religious men , men, what order will yow | religion and religious men, men , what order will yow |
sett amongst them :: them:: | sett amongst them:: them :: |
Iren ffor Iren: For religion little haue I to saye my self , self, | Iren: For Iren ffor religion little haue I to saye my self, self , |
(beinge beinge | beinge (beinge |
Folio 107v | Folio 107v |
beinge (as I sayd thincke not professed therein , therein, for that w hi ch wch | beinge (as I sayd thincke not professed therein, therein , for that wch w hi ch |
is true and yt self beinge but one , one, so as there | is true and yt self beinge but one, one , so as there |
is but one waye therein , therein, for that w hi ch wch is true onelie | is but one waye therein, therein , for that wch w hi ch is true onelie |
is and the rest are not at all . all, yett in plantinge | is and the rest are not at all, all . yett in plantinge |
of religion thus much is needfull need full to bee obserued þ a y t | of religion thus much is need full needfull to bee obserued y þ a t |
beinge not sought forceablie to bee ympressed into them | beinge not sought forceablie to bee ympressed into them |
w i th wth terror and sharpe pennalties , pennalties, as now is the | wth w i th terror and sharpe pennalties, pennalties , as now is the |
manner , manner, but rather deliu er ed and intimated w i th wth | manner, manner , but rather deliu er ed and intimated wth w i th |
myldnes and gentlenes , gentlenes, so as yt maye not bee hated | myldnes and gentlenes, gentlenes , so as yt maye not bee hated |
before yt bee vnderstood and theire pr p r ofessions dispised | before yt bee vnderstood and theire p r pr ofessions dispised |
and reiected , reiected, for this I knowe that the most of | and reiected, reiected , for this I knowe that the most of |
the popishe religion as they the Irishe are so farr from vnderstanding of the p ro testantes | the Irishe the popishe religion as they are so farr from vnderstanding of the p ro testantes |
profession , and yett doe the popishe religion as they hate yt thouge vnkno are of the P ro testantes | the popishe religion as profession , and yett doe they are of the P ro testantes hate yt thouge vnkno |
wen , even for the verie hatred w hi ch profession, and yett doe they haue of hate yt thouge vnkno | profession, and yett doe wen , even for the verie hatred w hi ch they hate yt thouge vnkno haue of |
wen, even for the Englishe and theire gou er m en t , Therefore yt is verie hatred wch they haue of | the verie hatred wch they haue of Englishe and theire gou er m en t , Therefore yt is |
expediente the Englishe and theire gou ern m en t , that some discreet ministers of Therefore yt is | the Englishe and expediente , Therefore yt is that some discreet ministers of theire gou ern m en t |
owne Countrymen bee first sent amongst them w hi ch expediente, that some discreet ministers of theire | expediente, that some discreet ministers of theire owne Countrymen bee first sent amongst them w hi ch |
owne Countrymen bee first sent amongst them wch | owne Countrymen bee first sent amongst them wch |
by theire myld p er swasions and instruccons as also | by theire myld p er swasions and instruccons as also |
by theire sober lyf and Conversation maye drawe | by theire sober lyf and Conversation maye drawe |
them them, first to vnderstand and afterwardes to imbrace | them, them first to vnderstand and afterwardes to imbrace |
the Doctrine of theire salvacon . ffor salvac i on, For yf that the | the Doctrine of theire salvac i on, For salvacon . ffor yf that the |
ancyent godlie fathers were able to drawe them | ancyent godlie fathers were able to drawe them |
from infidelitie and pagansie . pagansie, how much more the | from infidelitie and pagansie, pagansie . how much more the |
godlie teachers bringe them to the true vnderstanding | godlie teachers bringe them to the true vnderstanding |
of that w hi ch wch they alreadye professe professe, where in yt is | of that wch w hi ch they alreadye professe, professe where in yt is |
great wonder to see the oddes , w hi ch oddes, wch is betwene the | great wonder to see the oddes, wch oddes , w hi ch is betwene the |
zeale of Popish preistes and ministers of the gospeil gospell | zeale of Popish preistes and ministers of the gospell gospeil |
for they spare not to come out of Spaine into from | for they spare not to come out of Spaine into from |
Rome from Reames by longe toyle and dangerous | Rome from Reames by longe toyle and dangerous |
travell hether , hether, where they knowe p er ill of | travell hether, hether , where they knowe p er ill of |
deathe awayteth them and noe rewarde nor | deathe awayteth them and noe rewarde nor |
Rytches | Rytches |
Folio 108r 108r; written "1007" | 108r; written "1007" Folio 108r |
107 Ritches, is to bee found onelye to drawe the people to | Ritches, is to bee found onelye to drawe the people to 107 |
the people to church of Rome, where as our Idle ministers | Ritches , is to bee found onelye to drawe the church of Rome, where as our Idle ministers people to |
the church of Rome , where as our Idle ministers havinge a waye for Credyte and estymacon thereby | havinge a waye for Credyte and estymacon thereby the church of Rome , where as our Idle ministers |
opened vnto them, and estymacon thereby havinge awaye for Credyte the lyvinges of the | havinge the lyvinges of the awaye for Credyte and estymacon thereby |
expend vnto them , and havinge the lyvinges of the Countrie offred them, wthout paines wthout p er ill | Countrie offred them, wthout paines wthout p er ill expend vnto them , and havinge the lyvinges of the |
Countrie offred them , w i th out paines w i th p er ill will neither for the same, nor for any loue of god | will neither for the same, nor for any loue of god Countrie offred them , w i th out paines w i th p er ill |
will neither for nor zeale of god religion, nor or all the same , nor for any loue good wch they | nor zeale will neither for the good wch they same , nor for any loue of religion, nor or all god |
nor zeale mighte doe, by wynninge of religion , nor for all the good w hi ch they so manye soules to god | mighte doe, by wynninge nor zeale of so manye soules to god religion , nor for all the good w hi ch they |
mighte doe , by wynninge of so manye soules to god be drawen forthe from theire warme nestes, and | be drawen forthe from theire warme nestes, and mighte doe , by wynninge of so manye soules to god |
I drawen forthe from theire warme nestes , and | I drawen forthe from theire warme nestes , and |
theire sweete loues syde to looke out into godes harvest | theire sweete loues syde to looke out into godes harvest |
w hi ch wch is even readye for the sickle , sickle, and all the feyldes | wch w hi ch is even readye for the sickle, sickle , and all the feyldes |
yallowe longe agoe doubtlesse agoe, Doubtlesse these good ould | yallowe longe agoe, Doubtlesse agoe doubtlesse these good ould |
godlie fathers will I feare mee ryse vpp in the | godlie fathers will I feare mee ryse vpp in the |
daye of Judgm Iudgm en t to condempe them : them: | daye of Iudgm Judgm en t to condempe them: them : |
Eudox: Surelie yt is greate great pittie Irenius , Irenius, that there are | Eudox: Surelie yt is great greate pittie Irenius, Irenius , that there are |
none chosen out of the ministers of England good and sober | none chosen out of the ministers of England good and sober |
discrete men w hi ch wch might bee sent over thither to | discrete men wch w hi ch might bee sent over thither to |
teach and instructe them them, and that theire is not as much | teach and instructe them, them and that theire is not as much |
care had of theire soules as of theire bodies , bodies, for the Care | care had of theire soules as of theire bodies, bodies , for the Care |
of both lyeth vpon the Prince : : Prince:: | of both lyeth vpon the Prince:: Prince : : |
Iren: Were there never so manye sent ou er they should doe | Iren: Were there never so manye sent ou er they should doe |
small good till one ennormitie bee taken awaye , a waye, from | small good till one ennormitie bee taken a waye, awaye , from |
them that is , is, that both they be restrayned from sendinge theire | them that is, is , that both they be restrayned from sendinge theire |
yonge men abroad to other vniu er sities beyond seas as | yonge men abroad to other vniu er sities beyond seas as |
Reymes Reymes, Douay , Lovayne and the lyke lyke, and that others | Reymes, Reymes Douay Lovayne and the lyke, lyke , and that others |
from abroad be restrayned from Cominge to them | from abroad be restrayned from Cominge to them |
for they larkinge lurkinge secretlie in theire howses and | for they lurkinge larkinge secretlie in theire howses and |
in Corners of the Countrie doe more hurte and | in Corners of the Countrie doe more hurte and |
hinderance to religion w i th wth theire p ri vate p er swasions | hinderance to religion wth w i th theire p ri vate p er swasions |
then all the others can doe good w i th , wth theire publicke | then all the others can doe good wth w i th , theire publicke |
infraccon , instruccon, And though for these later theire bee a good agood | instruccon, infraccon , And though for these later theire bee agood a good |
statute | statute |
Folio 108v | Folio 108v |
statute there ordayned , ordayned, yet the same is not executed and | statute there ordayned, ordayned , yet the same is not executed and |
as for the former , former, there is noe lawe nor order for theire | as for the former, former , there is noe lawe nor order for theire |
restrainte at all :: all:: | restrainte at all:: all :: |
Eudox Eudox: I marvaile that yt is noe better looked vnto , vnto, And | Eudox: Eudox I marvaile that yt is noe better looked vnto, vnto , And |
not onelye this , this, but also that w hi ch wch I remember yow menco | not onelye this, this , but also that wch w hi ch I remember yow menco |
ned in yow yor abuses concerninge the p ro fyttes and revenewes | ned in yor yow abuses concerninge the p ro fyttes and revenewes |
of the landes of fugytiues in Ireland . w hi ch Ireland, wch by p re tence | of the landes of fugytiues in Ireland, wch Ireland . w hi ch by p re tence |
of Certaine coullorable conveyances , conveyances, are sente contyne | of Certaine coullorable conveyances, conveyances , are sente contyne |
wallie ou er vnto them to the comfortinge of them and others | wallie ou er vnto them to the comfortinge of them and others |
against her ma jes tie , for w hi ch wch here in England there is | against her ma jes tie , for wch w hi ch here in England there is |
good order taken , taken, and why not then as well aswell in Ireland Ireland, | good order taken, taken , and why not then aswell as well in Ireland, Ireland |
for though theire be noe statute there yet enacted therefore therfore, | for though theire be noe statute there yet enacted therfore, therefore |
yett might her ma jes ties tie s by her onelye p re rogative rogatiue seize | yett might her ma jes tie s ties by her onelye p re rogatiue rogative seize |
the fruites and p ro fitte fittes of those fugitiues landes till they | the fruites and p ro fittes fitte of those fugitiues landes till they |
into her handes till they came over to testifye testifie there | into her handes till they came over to testifie testifye there |
trewe alleigeance | trewe alleigeance |
Iren: Indeed she might so doe , doe, but the Combrous tymes | Iren: Indeed she might so doe, doe , but the Combrous tymes |
doe p er happs hinder the regard thereof and of many | doe p er happs hinder the regard thereof and of many |
other good intencons : intencons: | other good intencons: intencons : |
Eudox: But whie did they not mynde yt in peacable tymes | Eudox: But whie did they not mynde yt in peacable tymes |
Iren: I leaue wee that to theire graue Consideracons Consideracons, | Iren: I leaue wee that to theire graue Consideracons, Consideracons |
but p ro ceed wee forward , forward, next Care in religion is to build | but p ro ceed wee forward, forward , next Care in religion is to build |
vpp and repaire all the Ruine Churches thereof the whereof the | vpp and repaire all the Ruine Churches whereof the thereof the |
most p ar te lye even w i th wth the ground , ground, and some haue to me bene | most p ar te lye even wth w i th the ground, ground , and some haue bene to me |
latelie repayred lye care are so patched and thatched | latelie repayred lye are care so patched and thatched |
that men doe even shune the places for the vnhandsomnes vnhansomnes | that men doe even shune the places for the vnhansomnes vnhandsomnes |
vncomelines thereof , thereof, Therefore I would wishe that ther there | vncomelines thereof, thereof , Therefore I would wishe that there ther |
were order taken to haue them builte in some better | were order taken to haue them builte in some better |
forme accordinge to the Churches of England , England, for | forme accordinge to the Churches of England, England , for |
the owt ward showe , owtward showe, assure yow yor self doe greatlie | the owtward showe, owt ward showe , assure yor yow self doe greatlie |
drawe the rude people to the reu er encinge and fre | drawe the rude people to the reu er encinge and fre |
quenting thereof , thereof, And what eu er some of our too toe nyce | quenting thereof, thereof , And what eu er some of our toe too nyce |
fooles saye , saye, there is nothinge in the semelie forme | fooles saye, saye , there is nothinge in the semelie forme |
and comelie | and comelie |
Folio 109r 109r; written "1008" | 109r; written "1008" Folio 109r |
1098 and comelie order of the churche, And for so kepinge and | and comelie order of the churche, And for so kepinge and 1098 |
and comelie order of the contynewinge them theyre should like wise church , And for so kepinge and wardens | contynewinge them theyre should like wise and comelie order of the church wardens , And for so kepinge and |
contynewinge them theyre should like wise church warderns | contynewinge them theyre should like wise church warderns |
of the greatest men in the p ar ishe bee appointed as there | of the greatest men in the p ar ishe bee appointed as there |
bee here in England , w hi ch England, wch should take the yearelie | bee here in England, wch England , w hi ch should take the yearelie |
Chatge Cha OB ge charge both hereof and also of the schole howses | Cha OB ge Chatge charge both hereof and also of the schole howses |
w hi ch wch I wished to be builded nere to the said Churches | wch w hi ch I wished to be builded nere to the said Churches |
for maintenance of both w hi ch wch yt were meete that | for maintenance of both wch w hi ch yt were meete that |
some seu er all porcon of land were to be allotted seinge | some seu er all porcon of land were to be allotted seinge |
noe more mortmaines are to bee looked for :: for:: | noe more mortmaines are to bee looked for:: for :: |
Eudox Eudox: Indeed mee semes yt would bee so convenient | Eudox: Eudox Indeed mee semes yt would bee so convenient |
But when all is done how will yow haue his churches | But when all is done how will yow haue his churches |
serued or yo u r yor ministers maintayned maintaynned accordinge to the | serued or yor yo u r ministers maintaynned maintayned accordinge to the |
dignitie of theire degree degree: | dignitie of theire degree: degree |
Iren: There is noe waye to helpe that but to laye to | Iren: There is noe waye to helpe that but to laye to |
2 or 3: of them togeather vntill such tyme as the | 2 or 3: of them togeather vntill such tyme as the |
countrie gerewe grewe more ritch and better inhabited in habited At | countrie grewe gerewe more ritch and better in habited inhabited At |
w hi ch wch tymes the tythes and other obvencons will also bee | wch w hi ch tymes the tythes and other obvencons will also bee |
more augmented and more better valewed , valewed, But now | more augmented and more better valewed, valewed , But now |
that we haue thus gone through all that theire sortes | that we haue thus gone through all that theire sortes |
of trades and sett a course acourse for theire god establishm en t , ; | of trades and sett acourse a course for theire god establishm en t ; , |
lett vs yf yow please goe t l next to some other needfull - | lett vs yf yow please goe l t next to some other needfull - |
pointes of other publicke matters , matters, noe lesse concerninge | pointes of other publicke matters, matters , noe lesse concerninge |
the good of the Comon wealth , wealth, though but accidentallie accydentallie | the good of the Comon wealth, wealth , though but accydentallie accidentallie |
dependinge on the form er , And first I wishe that | dependinge on the form er , And first I wishe that |
order were taken for the cuttinge downe and opening | order were taken for the cuttinge downe and opening |
of all paces through woodes , woodes, so that a wyde way | of all paces through woodes, woodes , so that a wyde way |
of the space of C yerdes might bee layd open in eu er ie | of the space of C yerdes might bee layd open in eu er ie |
of them for the saiftye of travellers , w hi ch travellers, wch vse | of them for the saiftye of travellers, wch travellers , w hi ch vse |
often in such p er illous places to bee robbed , and sometimes | often in such p er illous places to bee robbed , and sometimes |
murthered , murthered, Next that Bridges were builte vpon | murthered, murthered , Next that Bridges were builte vpon |
all | all |
Folio 109v | Folio 109v |
all Ryvers , all Ryvers, and all the foordes marred and spylte , spylte, so as | all Ryvers, all Ryvers , and all the foordes marred and spylte, spylte , so as |
none might passe any other waies then throug but But by | none might passe any other waies then throug But but by |
those bridges , bridges, and eu er ie bridge to haue agate, and a gate , and at | those bridges, bridges , and eu er ie bridge to haue agate, and a gate , and at |
small gate howse gatehowse sett thereon , thereon, whereof this good will | small gatehowse gate howse sett thereon, thereon , whereof this good will |
come that noe might stealthes , w hi ch night stealthes, wch are comonlie dryven | come that noe night stealthes, wch might stealthes , w hi ch are comonlie dryven |
in by wayes and by blynde fordes vnvused vnvsed of any , any, but such | in by wayes and by blynde fordes vnvsed vnvused of any, any , but such |
lyke must be conveyed out of one Countrie into another | lyke must be conveyed out of one Countrie into another |
as they vse , vse, but that they must passe by those bridges | as they vse, vse , but that they must passe by those bridges |
where they maye bee eyther happelie encountred or | where they maye bee eyther happelie encountred or |
easelye tracked or not suffred to passe at all by meanes | easelye tracked or not suffred to passe at all by meanes |
of those gate howses thereon Also that in all sleightes | of those gate howses thereon Also that in all sleightes |
and narrowe passages as betwene twoe bogges or | and narrowe passages as betwene twoe bogges or |
through any deepe fforde Foorde or vnder any mountaine | through any deepe Foorde fforde or vnder any mountaine |
syde , syde, there should bee some lyttle fortilage or ~~ -- | syde, syde , there should bee some lyttle fortilage or -- ~~ |
wooden Castle Castle, sett w hi ch wch should kepe and Comaund Com m aund | wooden Castle, Castle sett wch w hi ch should kepe and Com m aund Comaund |
that streight , that streight, whereby any Rebells that should com come | that streight, that streight , whereby any Rebells that should come com |
in the Countrie might mighte bee stopped , the waye stopped, the waye, or | in the Countrie mighte might bee stopped, the waye, stopped , the waye or |
passe w i th wth greate p er ill : ill: More over that all high | passe wth w i th greate p er ill: ill : More over that all high |
wayes should bee fenced and shutt vppon both sydes | wayes should bee fenced and shutt vppon both sydes |
leavinge onelye fortie foote bredthe for passage passage, so | leavinge onelye fortie foote bredthe for passage, passage so |
as none should bee able to passe but throuth through the | as none should bee able to passe but through throuth the |
high waye , waye, whereby theeves and night robbers | high waye, waye , whereby theeves and night robbers |
might bee the more easelie pursued , pursued, and encountred | might bee the more easelie pursued, pursued , and encountred |
when there shalbe noe other waye to dryve theire | when there shalbe noe other waye to dryve theire |
stollen Cattell Cattell, but therein as I form er lie declared declared: | stollen Cattell, Cattell but therein as I form er lie declared: declared |
ffurther Further that theire should in sondrie conveniente | Further ffurther that theire should in sondrie conveniente |
places by the high wayes bee Townes appointed | places by the high wayes bee Townes appointed |
to bee little builte the w hi ch wch should bee free burrowes & | to bee builte little the wch w hi ch should bee free burrowes & |
Incorporate vnder Baliffes Baliffes, to bee by theire inha | Incorporate vnder Baliffes, Baliffes to bee by theire inha |
bytantes well and strongelie entrenched or other | bytantes well and strongelie entrenched or other |
wise fenced w i th wth gates at each syde thereof to | wise fenced wth w i th gates at each syde thereof to |
be shutt sh u tt | be sh u tt shutt |
Folio 110r 110r; written "1009" | 110r; written "1009" Folio 110r |
209 | 209 |
bee shutt nightlie lyke as there is in manie | bee shutt nightlie lyke as there is in manie |
places in the Englishe pale , pale, and all the wayes | places in the Englishe pale, pale , and all the wayes |
about yt to bee strongelie shutt vpp , vpp, so that none | about yt to bee strongelie shutt vpp, vpp , so that none |
should passe but through those Townes , Townes, To some | should passe but through those Townes, Townes , To some |
of w hi ch of wch yt were good that the p ri vilidge of a | of wch of w hi ch yt were good that the p ri vilidge of a |
markette were gyven gyven, the rather to strengthen | markette were gyven, gyven the rather to strengthen |
and enable them , them, to theire defence , ffor defence, For nothinge | and enable them, them , to theire defence, For defence , ffor nothinge |
doth sooner cause Civillitie in any Countrie , Countrie, then | doth sooner cause Civillitie in any Countrie, Countrie , then |
many m ar kett townes by reason that people reparinge | many m ar kett townes by reason that people reparinge |
often thither for teire theire needes will dalie see and | often thither for theire teire needes will dalie see and |
learne Civill mann er s of the better sorte , sorte, Besides | learne Civill mann er s of the better sorte, sorte , Besides |
theire is nothinge doth more staye and strengthen | theire is nothinge doth more staye and strengthen |
the Countrie , Countrie, then such Corporate Townes as by | the Countrie, Countrie , then such Corporate Townes as by |
proof in manye Rebellions hath bene proued ~ | proof in manye Rebellions hath bene proued ~ |
In all w hi ch wch when the Countries haue swarved | In all wch w hi ch when the Countries haue swarved |
the Townes haue stood stiffe and fast fast, and yeilded | the Townes haue stood stiffe and fast, fast and yeilded |
good releif to the soldyers soldyors in all occasions of | good releif to the soldyors soldyers in all occasions of |
service , service, And lastlie there doth nothing more | service, service , And lastlie there doth nothing more |
enriche the Countrie or Realme then manye townes , townes, | enriche the Countrie or Realme then manye townes, townes , |
for to them will all people drawe and bringe the fruite | for to them will all people drawe and bringe the fruite |
of theire trades , as well trades, aswell to make mony of them as | of theire trades, aswell trades , as well to make mony of them as |
to supplye theire needfull vses , vses, and the Countrimen | to supplye theire needfull vses, vses , and the Countrimen |
will also bee the more industryous in tillage , tillage, and | will also bee the more industryous in tillage, tillage , and |
rearinge all husbandrie Comodities Comodities, knowinge they | rearinge all husbandrie Comodities, Comodities knowinge they |
shall haue readye sale saile for them at those townes | shall haue readye saile sale for them at those townes |
And in all those Townes should theire Convenient | And in all those Townes should theire Convenient |
Inns be erected , erected, for the lodginge and harboringe of | Inns be erected, erected , for the lodginge and harboringe of |
all travellers , travellers, whoe are nowe oftentymes ~ - | all travellers, travellers , whoe are nowe oftentymes - ~ |
spoyled by lodging abroad in weake thatch howses | spoyled by lodging abroad in weake thatch howses |
for want of such saif places to shrowde them selues | for want of such saif places to shrowde them selues |
in : in: Eudox: But what profitte profytte shall yo u r yor m ar ket | in: in : Eudox: But what profytte profitte shall yor yo u r m ar ket |
Townes reape of theire m ar ket , ket, whereas | Townes reape of theire m ar ket, ket , whereas |
each one | each one |
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eache one may sell theire Corne and Cattell abroad | eache one may sell theire Corne and Cattell abroad |
in the Countrie and make theire secrete bargaines | in the Countrie and make theire secrete bargaines |
amongst them selues as now I vnderstand they vse | amongst them selues as now I vnderstand they vse |
Iren: Indeed Eudox: Eudox : They doe so and thereby noe | Iren: Indeed Eudox : Eudox: They doe so and thereby noe |
small inconvenience inconvenience doth aryse to the | small inconvenience inconvenience doth aryse to the |
Comon wealthe , Wealthe, for now when any one hath stellen stollen a | Comon Wealthe, wealthe , for now when any one hath stollen stellen a |
Cowe or a garron agarron he maye secretlie sell yt in the | Cowe or agarron a garron he maye secretlie sell yt in the |
Countrie w i th out wthout p ri vitie of any where as whereas yf the he | Countrie wthout w i th out p ri vitie of any whereas where as yf the he |
brought yt into the m ar ket towne yt would p er happs | brought yt into the m ar ket towne yt would p er happs |
bee knowen , knowen, and the theif discou er ed , ed, Therefore yt | bee knowen, knowen , and the theif discou er ed, ed , Therefore yt |
were good that the a straight ordynance were made | were good that the a straight ordynance were made |
that none should buy or sell any Cattell but in some | that none should buy or sell any Cattell but in some |
open m ar kett , kett, (there beinge nowe m ar kett ket townes eu er ie | open m ar kett, kett , (there beinge nowe m ar ket kett townes eu er ie |
where at hand ) hand) vpon a great agreat pennaltie neither | where at hand) hand ) vpon agreat a great pennaltie neither |
should they likewise buy any Corne to sell the same | should they likewise buy any Corne to sell the same |
againe , againe, vnlesse yt were to make malte thereof thereof, | againe, againe , vnlesse yt were to make malte thereof, thereof |
for by such engrissing engrossing and regratinge wee see the | for by such engrossing engrissing and regratinge wee see the |
darthe that now C.. Com onlye raigneth herein ~ here in - | darthe that now Com C.. onlye raigneth here in - herein ~ |
England to haue bene caused here vnto , vnto, Also is to | England to haue bene caused here vnto, vnto , Also is to |
be added that good ordynance w hi ch wch I remember was | be added that good ordynance wch w hi ch I remember was |
once p ro clameth throughout all Ireland , Ireland, that all | once p ro clameth throughout all Ireland, Ireland , that all |
men should marke theire Cattell w i th wth an open seu er all | men should marke theire Cattell wth w i th an open seu er all |
marke vpon theire flanckes or buttockes , buttockes, so as yf | marke vpon theire flanckes or buttockes, buttockes , so as yf |
they happened to bee stollen they might appere | they happened to bee stollen they might appere |
whose they were , were, and they w hi ch wch should buy the m | whose they were, were , and they wch w hi ch should buy the m |
mighte thereby suspecte the owner and bee waned warned | mighte thereby suspecte the owner and bee warned waned |
to abstaine from buyinge of them of a suspecte suspected p er son | to abstaine from buyinge of them of a suspected suspecte p er son |
w i th wth such an vnknowen m ar ke | wth w i th such an vnknowen m ar ke |
Eudox: Surelie these evidences seme verie expedient , expedient, but | Eudox: Surelie these evidences seme verie expedient, expedient , but |
speciallie that that, of free townes of w hi ch townes, of wch I would þ a wounder y t th e r e y here | speciallie that, that of free townes, of wch townes of w hi ch I wounder y would þ a t y here th e r e |
is such small store in Ireland and that in the first peopling | is such small store in Ireland and that in the first peopling |
and planting thereof they were neglected & omitted | and planting thereof they were neglected & omitted |
Iren: They | Iren: They |
Folio 111r 111r; written "1100" | 111r; written "1100" Folio 111r |
.100 Iren: They were not omitted, for theire were through | Iren: They were not omitted, for theire were through .100 |
Iren They were not omitted for theire were through all places of the Countrie convenient, manye good | all places of the Countrie convenient, manye good Iren They were not omitted for theire were through |
all places townes seated wch through that Invndacon of the Countrie convenient manye good | townes seated wch through that Invndacon all places of the Countrie convenient manye good |
townes seated w hi ch through that Invndacon Irishe wch I first tould of the were vtterly wasted and | Irishe wch I first tould townes seated w hi ch through that Invndacon of were vtterly wasted and the |
Irishe w hi ch I first tould defaced of were vtterly wasted and wch the Ruins are yett in manye places | defaced Irishe w hi ch I first tould of wch the Ruins are yett in manye places were vtterly wasted and |
defaced of w hi ch the Ruins are yett in manye places | defaced of w hi ch the Ruins are yett in manye places |
to bee seene and of some noe signe at all remayninge | to bee seene and of some noe signe at all remayninge |
save onelye there bare names , names, but theire seates are | save onelye there bare names, names , but theire seates are |
not to bee found : found:: | not to bee found:: found : |
Eudox: But how then cometh yt to passe that they haue | Eudox: But how then cometh yt to passe that they haue |
neu er since recou er ed , ed, nor theire habytacon habytac i on bene reedyfied | neu er since recou er ed, ed , nor theire habytac i on habytacon bene reedyfied |
as of the rest w hi ch rest, wch haue bene noe lesse spoyled and | as of the rest, wch rest w hi ch haue bene noe lesse spoyled and |
waisted . waisted: | waisted: waisted . |
Iren Iren: The cause thereof was for that after theire | Iren: Iren The cause thereof was for that after theire |
desolacion they were begged beggd by gent lemen of the Kinges kinges | desolacion they were beggd begged by gent lemen of the kinges Kinges |
vnder coullors collours to repaire them and gather the power | vnder collours coullors to repaire them and gather the power |
Relikes of the people againe to geather , togeather, of whom | Relikes of the people againe togeather, to geather , of whom |
havinge obtayned them they were so farr from reedyfying | havinge obtayned them they were so farr from reedyfying |
of them as that by all meanes they haue endeavored | of them as that by all meanes they haue endeavored |
to kepe them waste , waste, least that beinge repaired | to kepe them waste, waste , least that beinge repaired |
theire Charters maye bee renewed and then bargess burgess e s ~ | theire Charters maye bee renewed and then burgess bargess e s ~ |
restored to theire landes w hi ch wch they had now in theire | restored to theire landes wch w hi ch they had now in theire |
possession , possession, much like as in those old moates monutes monum en tes | possession, possession , much like as in those old monutes moates monum en tes |
of Abbeys and relegious howses wee see them | of Abbeys and relegious howses wee see them |
lykewise vse to doe ffor w hi ch doe: For wch cause yt is iudged | lykewise vse to doe: For wch doe ffor w hi ch cause yt is iudged |
that K Henrie the viii viij bestowed them vpon them | that K Henrie the viij viii bestowed them vpon them |
knowing that thereby there by they should to b neu er bee able | knowing that there by thereby they should b to neu er bee able |
to ryse againe , againe, And even so doe those Lordes in those | to ryse againe, againe , And even so doe those Lordes in those |
old poore corporate towes townes of w hi ch wch I would could name | old poore corporate townes towes of wch w hi ch I could would name |
yow dyverse , dyverse, but for kyndlinge of displeasure : displeasure: ther | yow dyverse, dyverse , but for kyndlinge of displeasure: displeasure : ther |
fore as I wished many Corporate townes to bee | fore as I wished many Corporate townes to bee |
erected , erected, so would I againe , againe, wishe them to bee free | erected, erected , so would I againe, againe , wishe them to bee free |
not dependinge vpon the service , service, nor vnder the | not dependinge vpon the service, service , nor vnder the |
Comandm Comaundm en t of any but the Gou er nor , nor, And beinge so | Comaundm Comandm en t of any but the Gou er nor, nor , And beinge so |
they | they |
Folio 111v | Folio 111v |
they will both strengthen all the Countrie round about | they will both strengthen all the Countrie round about |
them , w hi ch them, wch by theire meanes wilbe wilbee the better reple | them, wch them , w hi ch by theire meanes wilbee wilbe the better reple |
nished and enriched , enriched, and also bee as contynewall holders | nished and enriched, enriched , and also bee as contynewall holders |
for her ma jes tie , yf the people should revoke and breake | for her ma jes tie , yf the people should revoke and breake |
out againe , out againe, for w i th out wthout it is easye to forrey and and ou er come - | out againe, out againe , for wthout w i th out it is easye to forrey and and ou er come - |
the whole lande , lande, Lett bee for example all those free | the whole lande, lande , Lett bee for example all those free |
burroughes in the lowe Countries , w hi ch Countries, wch are now all the | burroughes in the lowe Countries, wch Countries , w hi ch are now all the |
strengthe thereof , there of, These and other like ordynances , ordynances, | strengthe there of, thereof , These and other like ordynances, ordynances , |
might bee deliu er ed for the good establishm en t of that | might bee deliu er ed for the good establishm en t of that |
realme , realme, after it is once subdued and reformed in w hi ch wch yt | realme, realme , after it is once subdued and reformed in wch w hi ch yt |
might bee aftewardes afterwardes verie easelie kept and maintayned | might bee afterwardes aftewardes verie easelie kept and maintayned |
w i th wth small Care of the gou er nor & concell there appointed appointed, | wth w i th small Care of the gou er nor & concell there appointed, appointed |
so as that yt should in shorte space yeild a plentifull | so as that yt should in shorte space yeild a plentifull |
revenewe revenewe, to the crowne of England , w hi ch England, wch now | revenewe, revenewe to the crowne of England, wch England , w hi ch now |
doth but sucke and consume the Threasurye there of | doth but sucke and consume the Threasurye there of |
through those vnsound plottes and changefull orders | through those vnsound plottes and changefull orders |
w hi ch wch are dalye deuised for her good , yet good, yett neu er effec | wch w hi ch are dalye deuised for her good, yett good , yet neu er effec |
tuallye p ro secuted or p er formed formed: | tuallye p ro secuted or p er formed: formed |
Eudox: But in all this yo u r discourse , yor discourse, I haue not m ar ked | Eudox: But in all this yor discourse, yo u r discourse , I haue not m ar ked |
any thinge by yow spoken spoken, towchinge the appointm en t of | any thinge by yow spoken, spoken towchinge the appointm en t of |
the principall offycer to whom ye wishe the | the principall offycer to whom ye wishe the |
Charge and p er formance of all this to be Comitted onely Comitted, onely, | Charge and p er formance of all this to be Comitted, onely, Comitted onely |
I obserued some fowle abuses by yow noted in some of the | I obserued some fowle abuses by yow noted in some of the |
late gou er nors , nors, the reformacon whereof yow lefte | late gou er nors, nors , the reformacon whereof yow lefte |
for this p re sente tyme :: tyme:: | for this p re sente tyme:: tyme :: |
Iren: I delight not to laye open the blames of | Iren: I delight not to laye open the blames of |
so greate great maiestrates to the rebuke of the world , world, | so great greate maiestrates to the rebuke of the world, world , |
and therefore theire feformacon reformac i on I will not meddle | and therefore theire reformac i on feformacon I will not meddle |
w i th , wth, but leaue vnto the wisdome of greater | wth, w i th , but leaue vnto the wisdome of greater |
heades to beconsidered , be considered, onelye thus this much I will ~ - | heades to be considered, beconsidered , onelye this thus much I will - ~ |
speake gen er allie hereof to satisfye yo u r yor desyre | speake gen er allie hereof to satisfye yor yo u r desyre |
that the gou er ern m en t and cheif maiestracie I wishe to | that the gou ern er m en t and cheif maiestracie I wishe to |
Contynewe as yt doth to weete , weete, that yt be ruled | Contynewe as yt doth to weete, weete , that yt be ruled |
by a lord | by a lord |
Folio 112r 112r; written "10011" | 112r; written "10011" Folio 112r |
1004 by a Lord deputie or Iustyces, for that is averie | by a Lord deputie or Iustyces, for that is averie 1004 |
by a Lord deputie or Iustyces , for that is a verie saif kynde of rule, But therwth all I wishe I | saif kynde of rule, But therwth all I wishe I by a Lord deputie or Iustyces , for that is a verie |
saif kynde of rule , But there w i th all I wishe | saif kynde of rule , But there w i th all I wishe |
wishe that over him theire were placed A Lord | wishe that over him theire were placed A Lord |
Lyvetennant of some of the greatest p er sonages of | Lyvetennant of some of the greatest p er sonages of |
England (such an one I could name , name, vpon whom the | England (such an one I could name, name , vpon whom the |
key of all England is fixed and our last hopes | key of all England is fixed and our last hopes |
now rest , rest, who beinge intytuled w i th wth that dignitie | now rest, rest , who beinge intytuled wth w i th that dignitie |
and beinge alwayes here residente , residente, may backe and | and beinge alwayes here residente, residente , may backe and |
defende the good cause of the gou er ment , ern ment, against | defende the good cause of the gou ern ment, er ment , against |
all malignors , w hi ch malignors, wch ells will through theire Conning | all malignors, wch malignors , w hi ch ells will through theire Conning |
conninge workinge vnder hand hand, depraue and pull backe | conninge workinge vnder hand, hand depraue and pull backe |
whatsoever thinges shalbe well begun begunn or intended | whatsoever thinges shalbe well begunn begun or intended |
there as wee Comonlie see by experience at this | there as wee Comonlie see by experience at this |
daye to the vtter ruine and desolacon of the poore | daye to the vtter ruine and desolacon of the poore |
Realem Realme, And this livetennancye livetennnancye should bee noe ~~ -- | Realme, Realem And this livetennnancye livetennancye should bee noe -- ~~ |
discountenanceing of the Lord deputie , Deputie, but rather | discountenanceing of the Lord Deputie, deputie , but rather |
a strengtheninge and maintayning of all his doinges | a strengtheninge and maintayning of all his doinges |
doinges , for doinges, For nowe the Cheif evill evil in that go er gou ern m en t is | doinges, For doinges , for nowe the Cheif evil evill in that gou ern go er m en t is |
that noe gou er nor is suffred to goe on w i th wth any one course | that noe gou er nor is suffred to goe on wth w i th any one course |
but vpon the least informacon informac i on here of this or that | but vpon the least informac i on informacon here of this or that |
he is eyther stopped or Crossed , Crossed, and other courses ~ - | he is eyther stopped or Crossed, Crossed , and other courses - ~ |
appointed him from hence w hi ch hence, wch he shall ruin , runn, | appointed him from hence, wch hence w hi ch he shall runn, ruin , |
w hi ch wch how convenient yt is , at is, as this howre is to well | wch w hi ch how convenient yt is, as is , at this howre is to well |
fele felte, And there fore this should bee our principallle one princip le all | felte, fele And there fore this should bee one princip le all our principallle |
in the appointm en t of the Lord deputies aucthoritie , Deputies aucthoritie, that | in the appointm en t of the Lord Deputies aucthoritie, deputies aucthoritie , that |
yt should bee more ample and absolute then yt is is: | yt should bee more ample and absolute then yt is: is |
And that he should haue an vncontrowled powre | And that he should haue an vncontrowled powre |
to doe any thinge that he w i th wth the aduisement of the | to doe any thinge that he wth w i th the aduisement of the |
counsell Counsell should thincke meete to bee done : ffor done: For yt is | Counsell counsell should thincke meete to bee done: For done : ffor yt is |
not possible for the Councell here to dyrecte a | not possible for the Councell here to dyrecte a |
gou er nor there , there, who shalbe forced often tymes oftentymes to | gou er nor there, there , who shalbe forced oftentymes often tymes to |
followe the necessitie of p re sente occasions and to | followe the necessitie of p re sente occasions and to |
take | take |
Folio 112v | Folio 112v |
take the suddaine advantage of tyme , w hi ch beinge tyme, wch being | take the suddaine advantage of tyme, wch being tyme , w hi ch beinge |
once lefte will not bee recou er ed w i th wth whilst through | once lefte will not bee recou er ed wth w i th whilst through |
expecting dyrections from hence , hence, the delaies whereof | expecting dyrections from hence, hence , the delaies whereof |
. OB are often tymes through greater affayers affayres most | OB . are often tymes through greater affayres affayers most |
yrkesome , yrkesome, the oportunities there in the meane tyme | yrkesome, yrkesome , the oportunities there in the meane tyme |
passe awaye and great danger often groweth , w hi ch groweth, wch by | passe awaye and great danger often groweth, wch groweth , w hi ch by |
such tymelie pr e p re vencon might easelie bee stopped , stopped, And | such tymelie p re pr e vencon might easelie bee stopped, stopped , And |
this I remember is worthelie res ref obserued by matcha | this I remember is worthelie ref res obserued by matcha |
vels vell in his discourses vpon Livie , Livie, where he comendeth comwndeth com OB deth | vell vels in his discourses vpon Livie, Livie , where he comendeth com OB deth comwndeth |
the manner of the Romaines gou er ern m en t , in gyvinge ab | the manner of the Romaines gou ern er m en t , in gyvinge ab |
solute power to all theire Consulls and governors , governors, | solute power to all theire Consulls and governors, governors , |
w hi ch wch yf they abused they should afterwardes dearly | wch w hi ch yf they abused they should afterwardes dearly |
Annswere , Annswere, And the contrarie thereof he rep re hen | Annswere, Annswere , And the contrarie thereof he rep re hen |
deth in the state states of Venice of fflorence , Florence, and | deth in the states state of Venice of Florence, fflorence , and |
many manye other principallities of Italie , Italie, who | manye many other principallities of Italie, Italie , who |
vse to lymitte theire cheif offycers , offycers, so straightl ie straightlie | vse to lymitte theire cheif offycers, offycers , so straightlie straightl ie |
as that there by oftentymes they haue lost such | as that there by oftentymes they haue lost such |
happye occasions , occcasions, as they could neu er come vnto againe | happye occcasions, occasions , as they could neu er come vnto againe |
The lyke whereof who so hath bene conversant | The lyke whereof who so hath bene conversant |
in that gou er ern ment of Ireland hath too often seene | in that gou ern er ment of Ireland hath too often seene |
to theire greate hurte great hurte, Therefore this I could | to theire great hurte, greate hurte Therefore this I could |
wishe to be redressed , redressed, and yett not so , so, but that in | wishe to be redressed, redressed , and yett not so, so , but that in |
p ar ticuler thinges he should bee restrayned , restrayned, though | p ar ticuler thinges he should bee restrayned, restrayned , though |
not in the gen er all gou er ment , ern ment, as namelye in this | not in the gen er all gou ern ment, er ment , as namelye in this |
that noe offyces should bee sold by the Lo: deputie Deputie | that noe offyces should bee sold by the Lo: Deputie deputie |
nor noe nor no p ar dons nor p ro tections , tections, bought for rewarde , rewarde, | nor no nor noe p ar dons nor p ro tections, tections , bought for rewarde, rewarde , |
nor noe beeves taken for Captenries of Countries | nor noe beeves taken for Captenries of Countries |
nor noe shares of Bishopprickes for nominating these there | nor noe shares of Bishopprickes for nominating there these |
Bushopps , Bushopps, nor noe forfeytures nor despensations w i th wth | Bushopps, Bushopps , nor noe forfeytures nor despensations wth w i th |
pennall statutes Statutes geven to theire serv an tes or freindes | pennall Statutes statutes geven to theire serv an tes or freindes |
nor noe | nor noe |
Folio 114r 113r; written "10012" | 113r; written "10012" Folio 114r |
Nor noe sellinge of lycenses for expectacon of p ro hibyted | Nor noe sellinge of lycenses for expectacon of p ro hibyted |
wares and specyallie of Corne and fleshe w i th wth many | wares and specyallie of Corne and fleshe wth w i th many |
the like w hi ch OB wch need some manner of restrainte or | the like OB wch w hi ch need some manner of restrainte or |
ells verie greate trust in the honorable disposition | ells verie greate trust in the honorable disposition |
of the Lord deputie , Deputie, Thus I haue Eudox: as | of the Lord Deputie, deputie , Thus I haue Eudox: as |
breifelie as I could and as my remembrance would | breifelie as I could and as my remembrance would |
serue serue, Run through the state of that whole Countrie | serue, serue Run through the state of that whole Countrie |
both to lett yow see what yt now is, and also what | both to lett yow see what yt now is, and also what |
may bee by good care and amendem en t , Not that I take | may bee by good care and amendem en t , Not that I take |
vpon me to Change the pollycie of so greate great a kingdome | vpon me to Change the pollycie of so great greate a kingdome |
or p ro re scribe rules to such wise men as haue the | or p re ro scribe rules to such wise men as haue the |
handling thereof , thereof, but onely to show yow the | handling thereof, thereof , but onely to show yow the |
evills w hi ch evills, wch in my small experience I haue obser | evills, wch evills w hi ch in my small experience I haue obser |
ued to bee the cheif hinderance of the reformaco reformac i o n | ued to bee the cheif hinderance of the reformac i o reformaco n |
thereof , thereof, And by way of Conference to declare | thereof, thereof , And by way of Conference to declare |
my simple symple opynion for redresse thereof , and ~ thereof, and- | my symple simple opynion for redresse thereof, and- thereof , and ~ |
establishing good course , agood course, for that gou er ern m en t w hi ch wch I | establishing agood course, good course , for that gou ern er m en t wch w hi ch I |
doe not deliu er for a p er fect plott of mayne myne owne | doe not deliu er for a p er fect plott of myne mayne owne |
Invension to be onelye followed followed, but as I haue | Invension to be onelye followed, followed but as I haue |
learned and vnderstood the same , same, by the consulta | learned and vnderstood the same, same , by the consulta |
cons and actions of verie wise gouernors , governors, and Counsell | cons and actions of verie wise governors, gouernors , and Counsell |
ors whom I haue sometymes heard treate thereof | ors whom I haue sometymes heard treate thereof |
so haue I thought good to sett downe a remembrance | so haue I thought good to sett downe a remembrance |
of them for myne owne good and yow satisfaccon , yor satisfaccon, | of them for myne owne good and yor satisfaccon, yow satisfaccon , |
that who list liste to overlooke them , them, although p er happs | that who liste list to overlooke them, them , although p er happs |
much wyser then they w hi ch wch haue thus aduised of that | much wyser then they wch w hi ch haue thus aduised of that |
estate , estate, yet at least by Comparrison , hereof , Comparrison, hereof, may | estate, estate , yet at least by Comparrison, hereof, Comparrison , hereof , may |
p er happs better his owne Iudgm en t , t, and by the | p er happs better his owne Iudgm en t, t , and by the |
light of others fore goinge him may followe after | light of others fore goinge him may followe after |
w i th wth more ease , ease, and happelye fynd a fayrer way | wth w i th more ease, ease , and happelye fynd a fayrer way |
there vnto , vnto, then they w hi ch wch haue gone before | there vnto, vnto , then they wch w hi ch haue gone before |
Eudox: | Eudox: |
Folio 114v 113v | Folio 113v 114v |
Eudox: I thanke yow Irenius for this yo u r gnetle yor gentle paines | Eudox: I thanke yow Irenius for this yor gentle yo u r gnetle paines |
w i th all wthall not forgettinge now in the shutting vpp | wthall w i th all not forgettinge now in the shutting vpp |
to putt yow in mynde of that w hi ch wch yow haue | to putt yow in mynde of that wch w hi ch yow haue |
form er lie half promissed hereafter , hereafter, when wee | form er lie half promissed hereafter, hereafter , when wee |
shall meete againe . OB vpon the like good occasion | shall meete againe OB . vpon the like good occasion |
ye will declare vnto vs these yo u r yor obseruacons w hi ch wch | ye will declare vnto vs these yor yo u r obseruacons wch w hi ch |
yee haue gathered of the Aucthorities of | yee haue gathered of the Aucthorities of |
Ireland | Ireland |
finis Finis 1596 E.S E.S: | Finis finis 1596 E.S: E.S |
In a third hand Mr Collinges I pray d eli uer this | Mr Collinges I pray d eli uer this In a third hand |
Mr Colling Ihsa order this Copie for mathew Lownes to be prynted | Copie for mathew Lownes to be prynted Mr Colling Ihsa order this |
Copie for mathew lownes to be prynted when he do bringe other attorytie | when he do bringe other attorytie Copie for mathew lownes to be prynted |
when he do bring other affrte Thomas man-- | Thomas man-- when he do bring other affrte |
Thomas Man - - | Thomas Man - - |
Folio 116r | Folio 116r |
unreadable | unreadable |
unreadable nm | unreadable nm |